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| * xichengc waves hello to shuoy | 00:57 | |
| shuoy | Hi xichengc, let’s start our meeting in 2 mins. | 00:57 |
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| xichengc | OK shuoy | 00:57 |
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| chenshuai | Hi | 00:58 |
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| shuoy | #wave chenshuai | 00:59 |
| xichengc | Hi chenshuai | 00:59 |
| xichengc | Is chigang joining> | 00:59 |
| xichengc | ? | 00:59 |
| chenshuai | yes | 00:59 |
| xichengc | ok thanks | 00:59 |
| shuoy | Yes, chigang is online, I think. | 00:59 |
| chizhang | hello, everyone | 00:59 |
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| xichengc | hi chigang | 01:00 |
| shuoy | #startmeeting | 01:00 |
| openstack | shuoy: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 01:00 |
| chigang | xichengc: hi | 01:00 |
| shuoy | #startmeeting Compass online design session | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 20 01:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shuoy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Compass online design session)" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'compass_online_design_session' | 01:00 |
| shuoy | Hi everyone, let’s get started for the meeting with 3 topics: 1) Status on Ansible; 2) Improved support of networking config; 3) Shall we prepare for "rule the stack" contest, which is sponsored by Intel at past Summits. | 01:01 |
| shuoy | Let’s go through them one by one | 01:01 |
| shuoy | #topic 1) Status on Ansible; | 01:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1) Status on Ansible; (Meeting topic: Compass online design session)" | 01:02 | |
| shuoy | xichengc, can you give the context and update this? | 01:03 |
| xichengc | yes, the upstream OSAD(openstack-ansible-deployment) repo deploys openstack components onto baremetal servers, with some of the components in Linux containers | 01:03 |
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| xichengc | I have created an etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/compass-osad-integration | 01:04 |
| shuoy | xichengc: have you talked/engaged with the OSAD developers? | 01:05 |
| xichengc | I have not. I think the interactions should be based on further understanding of OSAD playbooks. | 01:06 |
| xichengc | which is the ungoing effort, and should be done soon. | 01:06 |
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| xichengc | I am iterating through the playbooks to assess all the necessary parameters that will have to come from compass. | 01:07 |
| xichengc | after I have finished updating the etherpad, I will engage more with OSAD developers, with questions. | 01:08 |
| shuoy | #action xichengc, try to reach out OSAD developer and see if they are willing to help out accelerate the OSAD understanding repos; and give OSAD developers the context and background of this engagement. | 01:08 |
| chigang | xichengc: is it support HA controller? | 01:08 |
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| xichengc | it does, as well as active/active queue and galera mysql db HA | 01:08 |
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| chigang | well | 01:09 |
| xichengc | #action xichengc: wrap up OSAD understanding process. | 01:09 |
| xichengc | chigang | 01:09 |
| xichengc | Has baiguoku got a chance to look at OSAD? | 01:09 |
| baigk | a little | 01:10 |
| xichengc | could you take some time to see if you can deploy a minimal environment using OSAD? | 01:11 |
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| chigang | what is mean of minial environment? Can you clear it more? In one baremetal? | 01:12 |
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| xichengc | all in one would be good enough | 01:12 |
| shuoy | chigang/baigk: the high level idea is this: ‘if we can use OSAD solution as our Ansible playbook for the containerized components, then we are going to use OSAD as our target system driver’ — this is what OpenStack community would love to see: avoid duplicated work if possible | 01:13 |
| baigk | OK, I will try | 01:13 |
| shuoy | baigk: and the upside of doing this is that in the long run, OSAD become a solution plug-in for Compass. | 01:14 |
| xichengc | #action baigk: try to deploy an openstack cluster onto one baremetal machine using OSAD solutions. | 01:14 |
| shuoy | xichengc: please involve baigk at the right moment during conversation with OSAD team. | 01:15 |
| xichengc | will do. | 01:15 |
| xichengc | moving on? | 01:16 |
| chigang | I think OSAD will be online deployment. | 01:16 |
| chigang | #unod | 01:16 |
| chigang | #undo | 01:16 |
| chigang | sorry, I misunderstand | 01:17 |
| shuoy | I would love to see the OPNFV requirement (which is basically some kind of spec) get translated into OSAD code — one stone two birds to maximize the OSAD code base usage. | 01:17 |
| shuoy | Let’s move on the next topic. | 01:17 |
| chigang | sure | 01:17 |
| shuoy | #topic 2) Improved support of networking config | 01:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2) Improved support of networking config (Meeting topic: Compass online design session)" | 01:17 | |
| shuoy | chigang, can you please explain the context and problem statement for this item? | 01:18 |
| xuhan | now, al network is configured by os_installer | 01:19 |
| xuhan | it's unable to support more complex networking | 01:20 |
| shuoy | xuhan: so we would love to see network configuration “late binding”, is that the correct interpretation? | 01:20 |
| xuhan | for example, we can not use one intf support two logic network | 01:20 |
| xuhan | yes | 01:20 |
| xichengc | #agreed | 01:20 |
| xuhan | like bonding | 01:20 |
| xuhan | vlan setting | 01:20 |
| xuhan | ovs bridge prepare | 01:21 |
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| shuoy | xichangc, will this be a proper task for late stage configuration? (e.g., Ansible stage) | 01:21 |
| xichengc | xuhan, so the networking config should be independent from any installers, in a global level> | 01:21 |
| xuhan | yes | 01:22 |
| xuhan | I has completed the preliminary implemention | 01:22 |
| xuhan | install network is configured by the cobblerm, use DHCP | 01:22 |
| xuhan | and other network(mgmt, storage, tenant, external) is configured by Ansible. | 01:22 |
| xuhan | config file reference to FusionSphere's config file | 01:22 |
| xichengc | shuoy, yes | 01:22 |
| xichengc | OSAD should be able to do that as well. | 01:23 |
| shuoy | xuhan: try to make sure our solution follow the OSAD framework — i.e., make the networking configuration part a relatively independent module so that OSAD community is more willing to accept it. | 01:24 |
| shuoy | ok, any action item on this one? | 01:24 |
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| chigang | #action Xuhan try to contribute the network config in OSAD framework | 01:25 |
| xuhan | OK, I'd like a general outline to begin with OSAD | 01:26 |
| chigang | xuhan: shuoy: is it OK? | 01:26 |
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| shuoy | #action Xuhan co-ordinate with xichengc to reach out OSAD team regarding our motivation, and why this is valuable to OSAD (I suppose they may also want to achieve ’network configuration late binding’) | 01:28 |
| shuoy | chigang: yes, this is great. Let’s move on to next topic. | 01:28 |
| chigang | sure:) | 01:29 |
| shuoy | #topic 3) Shall we prepare for "rule the stack" contest? | 01:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "3) Shall we prepare for "rule the stack" contest? (Meeting topic: Compass online design session)" | 01:29 | |
| shuoy | #info https://01.org/openstack/openstacksummitvancouverbc2015/rule-stack-vancouver is the context of this topic. | 01:30 |
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| chigang | Is it ongoing? | 01:31 |
| shuoy | here is what I would suggest on this subject, let Compass developers in Shanghai read the ‘rule the stack’ document, may even engage Intel Shanghai OTG (opensource technology group) and see whether we can do this. | 01:32 |
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| shuoy | chigang, it is a kind of contest across openstack installers — to see which one is a robust and quick installer. | 01:33 |
| xichengc | #info xicheng chang | 01:33 |
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| xichengc | Got disconnected, sorry | 01:33 |
| shuoy | welcome back | 01:34 |
| xichengc | Are we on the 3rd topic? | 01:34 |
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| shuoy | so let’s defer the decision of this (whether we want to participate that kind of contest) to the next IRC meeting | 01:35 |
| chigang | shuoy: interesting! it is game in intallers. | 01:35 |
| shuoy | yes, we are on the 3rd topic. | 01:35 |
| shuoy | chigang: yes | 01:35 |
| xichengc | preparing for this would require some time, I don't think we have a chance to win this contest | 01:36 |
| shuoy | xichengc: I just said that we at least defer this decision to next IRC meeting. | 01:37 |
| xichengc | Sure. Thanks, shuoy | 01:37 |
| shuoy | chigang, for better community building-up, it does not hurt if you guys can engage Intel OTG in the Shanghai office. | 01:38 |
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| shuoy | Ok, I think we have already have all the topics discussed. Any thing that ppl in this meeting want to bring up? | 01:39 |
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| chigang | shuoy: do you know someone from OTG? | 01:40 |
| shuoy | I will try to help you link with someone. | 01:40 |
| chigang | shuoy: thanks | 01:40 |
| shuoy | #action: shuoy to engages Intel developers and see if they are interested in Compass project | 01:41 |
| xichengc | question: what did we conclude from the 2nd topic? | 01:42 |
| xichengc | sorry i missed that part | 01:42 |
| shuoy | 1) Xuhan co-ordinate with xichengc to reach out OSAD team regarding our motivation, and why this is valuable to OSAD (I suppose they may also want to achieve ’network configuration late binding’); 2) Xuhan try to contribute the network config in OSAD framework | 01:43 |
| shuoy | no other topics? counting once… | 01:43 |
| shuoy | no other topics? counting twice… | 01:44 |
| xichengc | thanks | 01:44 |
| shuoy | ok, thanks to everyone for the time. See you next time | 01:44 |
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| shuoy | #endmeeting | 01:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 20 01:44:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_online_design_session/2015/compass_online_design_session.2015-08-20-01.00.html | 01:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_online_design_session/2015/compass_online_design_session.2015-08-20-01.00.txt | 01:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_online_design_session/2015/compass_online_design_session.2015-08-20-01.00.log.html | 01:45 |
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| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting, dshakhray | 13:59 |
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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 20 14:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | #topic agenda and roll call | 14:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
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| nikhil_k | it would be best to cancle this meeting if no one is around | 14:02 |
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| bunting | probably so | 14:03 |
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| bpoulos | o/ | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:03 |
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| mclaren | o/ | 14:03 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: just running a couple minutes late, sorry | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: np :) | 14:04 |
| shalq | what's the first topic ? | 14:04 |
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| mfedosin | o/ | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | I was waiting to see if anyone - ativelkov mfedosin or by anyone else, artifacts related updates can be provided | 14:05 |
| harshs | o/ | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | we're fixing the bugs to adopt artifacts in Murano | 14:06 |
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| mfedosin | currently I'm implementing filtering by ranges | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | Murano needs it to fetch versions like it's done in pip | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | for example >=1.0.0, <=2.0.0 | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | I think we still need to work out the API | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | I think it's a question to Alex | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | yep and since there are no updates on | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-v3-api | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | I will publish my proposals next week about API | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | it would be best to get some here or via email | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | that would be good, mfedosin | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | independently from existing | 14:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | is the v3 API spec still in flux? | 14:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | (question to mfedosin who seems to know what ativelkov is thinking/doing) | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | so we can discuss it next Monday | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: that's the to-be formal proposal | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | that == etherpad details | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | his activity most in Murano | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I mean the spec that was in review for glance-specs around the v3 API | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | ah | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | The thing is that was still in flux | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | Even though we've merged v3 API code | 14:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | And now we have a consumer for that API | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | currently he's sitting behind me | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | And that spec was supposed to change to reflect API wg objects | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | *objections | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | But now that will be much harder with murano (prematurely) adopting the API | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: right and the EXPERIMENTAL flag would change once those concerns are resolved | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: sure | 14:11 |
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| nikhil_k | and any consumers would need to adopt the same | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | Just seems like the murano team will get angry at us no matter what happens | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | right, and that clause needs to be clear | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | (considering they were angry at the summit that artifacts wasn't already merged) | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | it's not about Murano team, but our management :) | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | so, question: will murano not be angry if ativelkov is willing to accept this change in the artifacts API? | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | and Alex is here to make them not be angry at us | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | there's a bus factor | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | okay | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | but best of what we have | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm just making sure everyone knows the risks murano is taking right now | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | he's a liason between Murano and Glance | 14:13 |
| ativelkov | oops, sorry for being late guys. I am right in the middle of murano's voice meeting | 14:13 |
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| sigmavirus24 | hah | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | no worries ativelkov that's why we have mfedosin | 14:13 |
| ativelkov | multitaking i hard for me | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: it would be nice to state that in the wiki | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | you two do share a datalink between your brains right? | 14:13 |
| ativelkov | so, murano is aware about experimental nature of our API | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: ativelkov : can anyone of you please update this etherpad with details about liaisons? | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Inter-project_Liaisons | 14:14 |
| ativelkov | they (actually, we) are ok with v3 API changing any time | 14:14 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: I will | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | great | 14:15 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k, will be done | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | thanks ativelkov | 14:15 |
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| nikhil_k | :) | 14:15 |
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| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: any more concerns before we move to reviews? | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | Nope | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | So, right now there are a number of bugs in the code which is already merged | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | and we'd like them to be fixed before doing the major redesign of v3 API | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | both mfedosin and me are working on that | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: that makes sense, sounded like new features were being added too | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | that's why I asked about the spec (I haven't had time to check on it yet) | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: so, I think the plan should be keeping v3 experimental for Liberty? | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | I've asked the new mmber of our team (Kairat) to move that etherpad to specs | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: I think so, as FF is coming | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | that would be excellent | 14:17 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: FF is per project | 14:17 |
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| nikhil_k | and doesn't apply to experimental and non-verlaping features | 14:17 |
| ativelkov | ah, that's cool to hear | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | I think we should discuss it more detailed on the summit before making api stable | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | cool, sounds like a good plan | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reviews, Bugs and Releases | 14:19 |
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| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195820/ | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | not sure if this was raised by flaper87 or wko ? | 14:19 |
| mclaren | Not sure. It has three +2s | 14:21 |
| mclaren | Is there anything in particular blocking it at this point does anyone know? | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: I read you got a chance to test this personally | 14:22 |
| mclaren | Nope. | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | ah | 14:22 |
| mclaren | I can do though if that helps | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | guess I either need to trust eric or force myself to find time for it | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | whoever wants a backport can propose one but likely to not get approved, that's usually true for db migrations | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: that would really help! | 14:23 |
| mclaren | Ok, np | 14:23 |
| * mclaren wonders if bunting might do it | 14:24 | |
| sigmavirus24 | wokuma probably added that to the agenda | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | great to have awareness about an important patch | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | next one is image-member reuse | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207042/ | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190895/ | 14:25 |
| bunting | I would be up for testing it | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | seems like we don't have any concerns raised on that even after an APIImpact | 14:25 |
| mclaren | bunting: cheers :-) | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | I would just amend the spec to include it and merge it | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | bunting: awesome, ty! | 14:26 |
| shalq | can core members help review the code in 190895 ? | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I don't think there's been a lot of review for that spec | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | so I wouldn't say that there haven't been any concerns raise | 14:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | *raised | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: we did a impromptu during one of the drivers' meeting | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | Ah | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | and people then were okay, we were just giving some time for any last minute red flags. there were none! | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | I can put that up on my review list as I have reviewed it already a couple times and know the change | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | I like what abhishek is suggesting there | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | shalq: so, that minor change should cover it for your patch | 14:29 |
| shalq | ok | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | next one is from bpoulos | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183137/ | 14:30 |
| bpoulos | I would appreciate feedback on the code, especially on two aspects: | 14:30 |
| bpoulos | 1. Does the location where the signature verification occurs make sense (ie, right after the checksum is computed)? | 14:30 |
| bpoulos | 2. Does the handling of a failed signature verification make sense (ie, set status to killed and delete the image)? | 14:30 |
| bpoulos | (I realize I have a few cleanup comments, and I will address them today) | 14:30 |
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| nikhil_k | bunting: about the delete, the general practice is to not set to deleted and leave it to the user | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | having it in the killed (mostly used for error state) would make more sense | 14:31 |
| bpoulos | so just change the status to killed? | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | i have a question about #2 ... i thought the glance-side verification was a user convenience, maybe if i upload an image and specify an incorrect signature, i'd prefer to just update the sig, rather than do the entire upload? | 14:32 |
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| bpoulos | just update the signature, and repeat the verification without doing another upload? | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | bpoulos: possibly, though i don't see how you could trigger that | 14:33 |
| bpoulos | yeah, that seems pretty round-about | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | unless you add a 'validate image' task | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:34 |
| bpoulos | in which case, we wouldn't want to set the status to killed when verification failed? | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | not sure ... the verification status doesn't really affect the image | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | maybe among the metadata you're adding, you add 'glance_verified: true | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | or something like that | 14:35 |
| bpoulos | as a property? | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | yeah | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | that's suseptible to breakage though | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | though it would be kind of meaningless except to the original uploader | 14:36 |
| bpoulos | alright, so the user could easily decide whether or not to trigger verification? | 14:36 |
| bpoulos | i think if the user doesn't want to trigger verification, they can easily provide the properties after the upload completes | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | we need define global prot properties for arbitrary meta for image-signing verification | 14:36 |
| bpoulos | nikhil_k: where does that definition go? | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | hmmm .... maybe for first implementation, we should just delete the image and decide what makes sense for M | 14:37 |
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| nikhil_k | bpoulos: and how do we prot the +w mode on that prop after correct validation? | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | wait, why delete | 14:38 |
| bpoulos | delete, or just set to killed? | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | it would disappear under the user's node without notice | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | nose* | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | so, killed and let the user delete (or re-upload if that bp is impelmented) | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i think we also need to be clear about the status of the metadata on the image | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | not sure what's the best way to convey to the user _why_ the upload failed | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | the consumer has to use it to verify everything for themselves | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | right | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | mutating the meta on first write might be a good option | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | but we don't have that granularity | 14:40 |
| bpoulos | do we need to protect the properties? | 14:40 |
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| nikhil_k | bpoulos: if you want to use them for verification | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 14:40 |
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| bpoulos | protect as in prevent changing or protect as in define exactly what they are? | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | nikhil_k: what would be the implications of allowing a change? | 14:41 |
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| rosmaita | i'm thinking if it's image-consumer-beware, maybe it doesn't matter? | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: hmm, I think for a shared image. it could be rendered useless by someone who did not intend to mutate the prop | 14:42 |
| bpoulos | I think one attack scenario we're considering is that an attacker could delete or modify them -- even if we prevent normal routes of doing so -- but the fact that we have an external CA that limits the valid certificates helps us | 14:42 |
| bpoulos | yeah, it could be removed unintentioanlly | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: just loopholes for confusion on the usage, that's all | 14:42 |
| bpoulos | and if the client requires the properties, then the client won't be able to boot it | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | nikhil_k: agreed | 14:43 |
| bpoulos | so the user has to provide them before the upload, or not at all? | 14:43 |
| bpoulos | ie, they can't add them after the fact? | 14:43 |
| bpoulos | (so that glance doesn't verify, but a client still could) | 14:43 |
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| rosmaita | it's sounding to me more and more like a task is better suited for this | 14:43 |
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| nikhil_k | bpoulos: we have somethign already like those and they are called base properties :) | 14:43 |
| bpoulos | would we want to make these base properties though? | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: or a migration that adds another base prop | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | bpoulos: the issue is the arbitrary size, right | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | so, (I take the comment back) probably no | 14:44 |
| bpoulos | ideally, we'd like to not even be limited to 255 | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | yeah, so cant' predict in advance | 14:44 |
| bpoulos | 1024 or 2048 would be even better for signature sizes | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | I think we need to give some time to other reviews posted | 14:46 |
| bpoulos | ok :) thanks for discussing image signing for a bit | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | how about we chat on this topic, if needed, after the meeting on -glance | 14:47 |
| mclaren | do we have similar behaviour with checksums? where a user can supply the checksum in advance? | 14:47 |
| bpoulos | sure, we can continue on -glance | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | it's a base prop though | 14:47 |
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| mclaren | ok, how bad would adding a new base prop be? | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | I think she wants many such | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | and size of those can be relatively large | 14:48 |
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| mclaren | ah, ok | 14:48 |
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| bpoulos | i have four that i'd like to add | 14:48 |
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| bpoulos | but we can move on to other reviews | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: next one is yours? | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211086/ | 14:49 |
| mclaren | oh, not a big deal just a client patch | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | we've had this behavior for along time! | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | but I guess it makes sense to not enforce it during listing | 14:50 |
| mfedosin | I agree to +2 it | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | or at all ... what's the rationale behind confirming that the info supplied by glance meets the schema? | 14:51 |
| mclaren | rosmaita: interesting question. Arguably it's more useful when you're putting stuff in rather than reading it back | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: point ... who we trust if not our own server ;) | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | i mean, unless there's a bug in glance, glance knows what the schema is, and supplies data accordingly | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: +1 for upload, client should validate, but for download seems pointless | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | i mean, what are you going to do? take your business elsewhere? | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: this was introduced when strict enforcement on GET was a thing | 14:53 |
| mclaren | well let's agree on list first :-) | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | good point | 14:53 |
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| rosmaita | from the patch, you can see that we already agreed not to validate all the returned images in a list | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | so let's just take that to an extreme and not validate any | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yeah that validation was killing the v2 performance | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | or we could just validate a random one, and drive users crazy | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | I think we can add --validate flag to image-list maybe to validate them all | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: and leave that bug still open, what this change would fix? | 14:56 |
| mfedosin | if it's necessary | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | I can think of a reason for validating this during listing but it's not strong enough to break the response. Glance client does on the behalf of the user if the images registered match with the prop articulation as defined by operator needs | 14:56 |
| mclaren | mfedosin: an operator may be interested in that I guess | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: that's a good compromise | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: wanna propose spec for that? :P | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | but it can be confusing flag | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | I don't think it should be blocking this going in | 14:57 |
| mfedosin | no, it's enough specs for me :) | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | as it overlaps with bpoulos terminology for validation | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | i think as long as v1 is around, the glanceclient has to be liberal in what it accepts | 14:57 |
| mfedosin | but I can ask Darja to implement it | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | ok, we have a couple mins for that late addition | 14:57 |
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| nikhil_k | mfedosin: yours? | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200554/ | 14:57 |
| mfedosin | yep it's mine | 14:58 |
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| mfedosin | There is a Flavio's concern about adding new config parameter in Glance. | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | But for example cinder has it. | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/drivers/rbd.py#L82 | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | So I want to hear your opinion - should I abandon it or it's okay? | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | Since we have plans to create oslo.rbd project, all these config params will be there and Glance will use them anyway. | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | I do agree with flaper87's point that it does not make sense to dublicate that. and which one would take preference if you have different values? | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: that sounds better | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | We are out of time. | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| mclaren | thanks! | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thnx | 15:00 |
| mfedosin | okay, thanks :) | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 20 15:00:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-08-20-14.00.html | 15:00 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: hi | 15:00 |
| TravT | hi nikhil_k | 15:00 |
| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 20 15:00:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 15:01 |
| TravT | Let's give a couple mins. | 15:01 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:01 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 15:01 |
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| TravT | I don't think sjmc7 will be here at least at the start. There is an HP meeting in seattle that he had to go to. | 15:02 |
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| sjmc7 | morning | 15:02 |
| TravT | and there he is | 15:02 |
| TravT | :) | 15:02 |
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| sjmc7 | sorry, bit under the weather | 15:02 |
| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| TravT | Add anything you want as usual | 15:02 |
| TravT | #topic Testing | 15:03 |
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| TravT | As mentioned last week, we put up a review for python 3 in the gate. | 15:03 |
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| TravT | It went through. | 15:03 |
| TravT | that's all. | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:03 |
| TravT | Functional tests. | 15:04 |
| TravT | lakshmiS how are they coming? | 15:04 |
| TravT | you were going to put up an initial patch? | 15:04 |
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| lakshmiS | ready to go. will put up the patch before the weekend. | 15:04 |
| TravT | Great! | 15:05 |
| TravT | any discussion needed on them with the group here? | 15:05 |
| lakshmiS | nothing specific i can think about | 15:05 |
| TravT | ok, well, i'm looking forward to seeing them. | 15:05 |
| lakshmiS | even though i tried to cover the RBAC filters that rosmaita initially gave | 15:05 |
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| sjmc7 | there were some in that patch i had in glance a while back | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | if that's useful | 15:06 |
| lakshmiS | sjmc7: yeah i ported them | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | great, thanks | 15:07 |
| TravT | #topic reviews process | 15:07 |
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| TravT | so, we're only a couple weeks out in liberty | 15:08 |
| TravT | i'm still hopeful we can have a release. | 15:08 |
| TravT | but i also know that having time to do reviews is difficult for a number of people right now. | 15:08 |
| TravT | i've been trying to catch up on them. | 15:09 |
| TravT | and they are time consuming to fully test. | 15:09 |
| TravT | but wanted to open up some discussion on ideas for how to facilitate getting reviews down in timely manner. | 15:10 |
| TravT | and also what is / isn't okay process-wise | 15:10 |
| TravT | In the early phases of this project. | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | i know one thing we've tried to stick to is to have +2s from multiple companies, even though there are a majority of HP folks on the core list | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | if people are ok with approving changes with 2 +2s even if it's just HP folks just as the summit deadline approaches that might help, especially for bug fixes | 15:12 |
| david-lyle | I think for now that may be a good relaxation of the review guidelines | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | i agree | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | i keep hosing my devstack, which is slowing my reviews, so i am part of the problem here | 15:13 |
| david-lyle | we're still working on critical mass | 15:13 |
| nikhil_k | same with me | 15:13 |
| nikhil_k | I agree too, but would be good if someone can test them functionally. I know TravT is very particular about it and best to keep that practice | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, i've been testing them | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | it is time consuming btu esp given our tests it's necessary | 15:13 |
| TravT | yeah, i seem to be spending a large portion of my days just playing QA recently. | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:14 |
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| lakshmiS | we need downstream applications using searchlight to do that for us:) | 15:15 |
| TravT | lol | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | we've got people itching to use it :) | 15:15 |
| TravT | I'd still like to ensure that everybody has an opportunity to weigh in at least conceptually. | 15:15 |
| lakshmiS | a +1 would be good to have | 15:15 |
| TravT | yes, just to indicate the idea seems right. | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | yeah - for features or bp implementations i'd definitely like additional input | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | but for pure bugfixes it seems less important | 15:17 |
| TravT | yes, and we have several high and critical's sitting out there right now with code proposed. | 15:17 |
| TravT | I also will consider the functional tests to be critical. | 15:17 |
| TravT | because i don't want to see any regressions. | 15:18 |
| TravT | any other input on this specifically? | 15:19 |
| TravT | lakshmiS, last week you had mentioned the idea of having an hour or so available each week for people to interact on specific reviews through end of liberty | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | that would be nice! | 15:21 |
| lakshmiS | yes lets schedule it | 15:21 |
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| TravT | how about Tuesday or Wednesdays at this same time? | 15:21 |
| TravT | in the searchlight room | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | i don'tmind sparing a couple hours tomorrow just on reviews if someone is available | 15:22 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, there is a question on the nova patch I have for you when we get to it later in this meeting. | 15:23 |
| rosmaita | tuesday would be better for me | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | wed looks better for me, otherwise | 15:23 |
| lakshmiS | both are good with me | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | i am travelling for work mon, tue most likely | 15:24 |
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| TravT | i can do either. | 15:24 |
| TravT | is wednesday out for you rosmaita | 15:24 |
| TravT | ? | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | either's ok with me, wednesday maybe a bit easier | 15:25 |
| david-lyle | I' fine with either | 15:26 |
| TravT | david-lyle: i'm still trying to figure out if i can psych myself up for your added early morning horizon meeting on wednesday. :( | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k | actaully, I may be online at 1500utc on tuesday but not 100% sure | 15:27 |
| TravT | If possible, let's shoot for Tuesday | 15:27 |
| TravT | I'll check in on Monday with everybody | 15:27 |
| david-lyle | just not 2000 or 2100 UTC on Tues those are taken with TC and X-Project | 15:28 |
| TravT | that is way too late for lakshmiS anyway | 15:29 |
| TravT | http://everytimezone.com/#2015-8-20,180,cn3 | 15:29 |
| david-lyle | ok, just making sure | 15:29 |
| TravT | that's the time slot shooting for on Tuesday. | 15:29 |
| TravT | if you can't make it nikhil_k, we'll bump to wednesday | 15:29 |
| TravT | ok, on to but reviews | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | thanks TravT | 15:29 |
| TravT | #topic bugs | 15:30 |
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| lakshmiS | it says 8:30 PM local time for me which is same as now | 15:30 |
| TravT | so, this one: | 15:30 |
| TravT | Fix for Authentication not happening https://review.openstack.org/211047 | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | TravT: i cann do wed, but have team mtg at 15:30 | 15:30 |
| TravT | I kind of like tuesday better than wednesday | 15:31 |
| TravT | just so we have a day between that and this meeting | 15:31 |
| TravT | so, this one: Fix for Authentication not happening https://review.openstack.org/211047 | 15:31 |
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| TravT | even with allowing 2 +2s from same company, it needs another. | 15:32 |
| TravT | it is a critical bug | 15:32 |
| TravT | so, nikhil_k, david-lyle, sigmavirus24, rosmaita, if one of you could take a look | 15:32 |
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| nikhil_k | ack | 15:33 |
| TravT | note that i co-authored, so I can't +2 it. my +1 was only to indicate it was ready for reviews. | 15:33 |
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| david-lyle | looking, can try out the patch after this | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | thatnks david | 15:34 |
| rosmaita | i am looking at that, but hosed my devstack | 15:34 |
| TravT | thanks david-lyle | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | i did test it, generated configs and docs looked good to me | 15:34 |
| TravT | there are a couple more critical highs. | 15:35 |
| TravT | Fix RBAC filters https://review.openstack.org/212563 | 15:35 |
| TravT | I tested that one yesterday with images and the nova servers patch. | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, this was a good one | 15:35 |
| TravT | tried about 8 different queries on it. | 15:35 |
| TravT | i put those in a paste in my review comments. | 15:35 |
| TravT | laskhmiS, would be good to consider that with any of the RBAC functional tests you are doing | 15:36 |
| TravT | so maybe you could take a look lakshmiS? | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | we should provide guidance on writing these in the docs, or abstract some of it to the base class at some point. it's easy to screw up | 15:36 |
| lakshmiS | ok i will check if its covered | 15:36 |
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| TravT | Your sorting patch, sjmc7 Sorting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206268/ | 15:37 |
| TravT | I will look at this one | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | yeah.. just needs reviews | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | it should be pretty straightforward | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | passthrough of the e-s DSL for sorting | 15:37 |
| TravT | ok. | 15:38 |
| TravT | On to BPs | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | you actually could do it already by passing it inside the 'query' parameter | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | but this makes it more explicit | 15:38 |
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| TravT | #topic nova plugin | 15:39 |
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| TravT | Nova instances plugin https://review.openstack.org/198852 | 15:39 |
| TravT | i've been harassing sjmc7 on this one quite a bit | 15:39 |
| TravT | and it is very close | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | i do feel quite harassed | 15:40 |
| TravT | question for rosmaita and nikhil_k | 15:40 |
| TravT | currently the following fields are filtered if you aren't admin | 15:40 |
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| TravT | OS-EXT-SRV-ATTR:host | 15:40 |
| TravT | OS-EXT-SRV-ATTR:hypervisor_hostname | 15:41 |
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| TravT | are there others we should add? | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | there's a hostId too | 15:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sorry, in the middle of a sad sad video call | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | which it occurs should probably be protected | 15:41 |
| TravT | sigmavirus24: need some kleenexes? | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | :) sigmavirus24. the best kind! | 15:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | no | 15:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | send the strongest of alcohol | 15:42 |
| TravT | lol | 15:42 |
| TravT | rosmaita: nikhil_k: if you could add a comment on that patch in this file about fields to filter for admin | 15:43 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198852/14/searchlight/elasticsearch/plugins/nova/servers.py | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: don't quite have them ready but can check | 15:43 |
| TravT | sure. line 30. | 15:44 |
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| TravT | other than a few other nits on that patch and some ideas for future things, that patch worked quite nicely for me | 15:45 |
| TravT | so, maybe we can get nova support in by end of this week. | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: so, I am not sure about the extensions and their indexing | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | am aware that they were being proposed to be purged or moved to regular api but not sure if we can ever come up with a list of all the ext attrs that are admin only | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | they depend on which ext are enabled by the deployer and we will be playing cat and mouse | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | so, sorry some context: | 15:46 |
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| TravT | nikhil_k: in some of my comments on that patch, i suggested that we add a plugin config for whitelisting / blacklisting fields. | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | OS-EXT-* are OS Extensions added to nova api | 15:47 |
| sjmc7 | until we do that we could have a whitelist of extension fields in the code | 15:47 |
| sjmc7 | so we don't accidentally scrape up any we shouldn't | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | that sounds good | 15:47 |
| TravT | here's a comment I put on the patch: | 15:48 |
| TravT | It really also occurs to me that when we do that the nova plugin should support having separate extension files for all these extension fields. The extensions enabled would all be invoked during serialize function and also would be called to add to the mapping. This way deployers could add their extension without modifying source just like they do for nova. BP needed. | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. maybe not a liberty timescale thing at this point | 15:48 |
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| nikhil_k | ah cool | 15:49 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, you mentioned having review time tomorrow. | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 15:50 |
| TravT | maybe you could do another pass on the nova patch. | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | sure | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | on my list now | 15:50 |
| TravT | hopefully sjmc7 will be able to address my current comments before tomorrow and i'll do another pass | 15:50 |
| TravT | ok. | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, will do | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | darn, evernote app broke on my m/c | 15:51 |
| TravT | ok, did want to mention that following our BP review last week I opened the client blueprint we discussed. | 15:51 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/initial-openstack-client-search-plugin | 15:51 |
| TravT | just FYI | 15:51 |
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| TravT | #topic open discussion | 15:52 |
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| sjmc7 | i've actually got to run, meeting i have to attend in the office | 15:52 |
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| TravT | ok. | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | anything anyone needs, i'll be in the SL channel in a biit | 15:53 |
| TravT | i think everybody is quite busy these days. | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072082.html | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | is a thread about keystone and pagination | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | but the current stance by keystone on the v3 API makes it impossible to index | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | i saw that one :) | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | good reading! | 15:53 |
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| TravT | oh interesting. | 15:54 |
| david-lyle | so, that's awesome | 15:54 |
| TravT | i didn't see it | 15:54 |
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| david-lyle | this is not new, but progress is feeling unlikely | 15:54 |
| TravT | that is awesome. :( | 15:54 |
| lakshmiS | promising | 15:54 |
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| david-lyle | the other option is build based on other indexed data | 15:55 |
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| TravT | david-lyle? | 15:56 |
| TravT | trying to figure out what you mean. | 15:56 |
| david-lyle | me too :P | 15:56 |
| TravT | ok, well, i'll read through that thread | 15:57 |
| david-lyle | no, you could go do a secondary request based on results from nova, etc | 15:57 |
| david-lyle | nova data will have project ids, you could request data on project ids returned with the data | 15:57 |
| david-lyle | but that's an incomplete index | 15:58 |
| david-lyle | so maybe worse :( | 15:58 |
| TravT | we could just run a scheduled job and periodically get all projects from keystone. | 15:58 |
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| david-lyle | well no, you can't actually | 15:58 |
| TravT | yay | 15:59 |
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| david-lyle | you'll get the first 500 or 1000 and an error saying there are more | 15:59 |
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| david-lyle | but no way to index into them | 15:59 |
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| lakshmiS | will have to go to their db then:) | 15:59 |
| david-lyle | unless you dynamically build up a filtering scheme until you get below the MAX return # threshold | 15:59 |
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| TravT | okay, we are out of time, but this was good to bring up | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks! | 16:00 |
| TravT | we can continue | 16:00 |
| TravT | on it in the future. | 16:00 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
| TheIntern | o/ | 16:01 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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| hughsaunders | hey | 16:01 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:01 |
| serverascode | o/ | 16:01 |
| TheIntern | o/ | 16:01 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 16:01 |
| dstanek | o/ | 16:02 |
| andymccr | hi | 16:02 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:04 |
| b3rnard0 | hello | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | Howdy all - nice to see that we have a fair set of attendeed. | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | *attendees | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | ACTION: sigmavirus24 and cloudnull to put together a POC for pip and epoch's | 16:05 |
| * sigmavirus24 sighs | 16:05 | |
| sigmavirus24 | maybe after all this ugprade nonsense is done | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | hehe, now that cloudnull is back, perhaps that can go ahead - we carry again? | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | please | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | #action sigmavirus24 and cloudnull to put together a POC for pip and epoch's | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull isn't exactly back 100% | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | ACTION: odyssey4me to add upstream liberty milestones to the trunk series | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | this has been done - it's perhaps useful to target trunk bugs against liberty-3 and liberty-release | 16:07 |
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| odyssey4me | I just ask that any liberty-related bugs also be added as a related bug to the liberty blueprint please | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/liberty | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | ACTION: all to review blueprints, self-assign and target, then submit and review blueprints | 16:07 |
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| odyssey4me | hopefully some of that has been done, we'll go into that in a bit | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | before we dive into blueprints, I'd like to shuffle the agenda a little to get the rest out the way | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | are we happy with that? | 16:08 |
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| evrardjp | ok | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Broken Gate | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | I think most people in the meeting are aware that gating for master has been broken for almost 3 weeks now | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | the issue has been tempest failing when testing nova/cinder | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | it only happens in hpcloud | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | today we hope that we've found the solution in https://review.openstack.org/215093 | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | note that juno/kilo gating has been fine all this time | 16:11 |
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| odyssey4me | if the above review doesn't work, then https://review.openstack.org/215028 is a workaround to get dev moving again and allow more time to figure out the issue | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | any comments/questions about that? | 16:11 |
| palendae | None from me | 16:13 |
| evrardjp | none | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | alright | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Stackforge -> Openstack | 16:13 |
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| evrardjp | if this isn't the solution, I'll try to have a closer look on friday with you. we need to have it working | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | thanks evrardjp :) | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | Another update | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | We are on the list for upcoming project renames, which will rename the project from os-ansible-deployment to openstack-ansible, and move the repo to the openstack namespace: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | I read it wasn't that easy, what's the impact for us? | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | a process for handling renames has been sent out on the mailing list - please read and provide feedback | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071816.html | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | ok thanks | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072140.html | 16:15 |
| hughsaunders | git remote set-url many times | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp so the repo name will change, and the organisation name will change | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | what hughsaunders said | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | and probably many docs changes for us too | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | that's what I understand, and the remotes, that's what seems logical to me at first, but will it impact other processes/gating/documentation? | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, the gate stuff will be handled in the rename - but we'll have some in-repo changes which will need to be sorted out too | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | we'll deal with that when it happens - it's a pretty easy search and replace for most of it | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | any more thoughts/comments/questions? | 16:18 |
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| evrardjp | none | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Upcoming Milestones | 16:18 |
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| hughsaunders | odyssey4me: Birthdays? | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | \o/ | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | lol, my birthday was last week hughsaunders :p | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | who else is having one? | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | happy birthday then, sorry for being late on this one! | 16:19 |
| andymccr | odyssey4me: everybody is having one at some point. | 16:19 |
| TheIntern | Happy Birthday! | 16:20 |
| hughsaunders | deep andymccr | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | andymccr ever the pragmatist | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | sarcastic I'd say | 16:20 |
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| andymccr | adding that dose of realism that was required | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | so https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.2.0 is set for 11 Sep, but we needed to release 11.1.2 early due to some changes upstream and some stuff I broke in the requirements | 16:21 |
| * cloudnull late was in a meeting. | 16:21 | |
| odyssey4me | It appears that the ceph work is largely done and that the work is ready for backporting | 16:21 |
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| odyssey4me | I suggest that we bring forward the 11.2.0 date to Friday next week (28 Aug), then continue from there | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | any objections to that? | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | FYI, I'm using it in kilo right now, not tested the cinder-backup, but everything looks fine | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | easy backporting then | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | no objection | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | yup, there are some extra tweaks in flight which we can merge and backport easily once master is unblocked | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | welcome cloudnull :) | 16:23 |
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| hughsaunders | +1 on bringing 11.2.0 forward | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | hughsaunders andymccr are you guys happy to bring the 11.2.0 milestone forward? | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | :p | 16:23 |
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| andymccr | sure | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to move 11.2.0 milestone to 28 Aug | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Blueprints | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | we have a few blueprints of note | 16:26 |
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| odyssey4me | liberty is coming up | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/liberty | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | master's development from the end of august will start to diverge from kilo somewhat as we focus a little more on liberty changes | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | please see the dependency tree at the bottom of the page | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | palendae & cloudnull there are blueprints that liberty's release depend on there | 16:27 |
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| odyssey4me | these aren't hard deps, except perhaps for the upgrade path - but I'd like to confirm that we think we can get these done in time? | 16:27 |
| palendae | When's the liberty release date? | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull I know that you had much of the work for yours done already | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | liberty-release is on 19 Sep: https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/liberty-release | 16:28 |
| palendae | I would say yes, unless people have problems with the upgrade path proposed | 16:28 |
| palendae | Then we need to actually write kilo->liberty upgrades | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/207713 | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | that's the spec for the upgrade path - it's gone through some reviews already | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | we need more attention on that now as it's going to hit crunch time soon | 16:29 |
| palendae | I'll likely need some help, given the timeline; but I have an idea for a starting point if people aren't opposed to me starting a parallel code path | 16:29 |
| palendae | parallel code patch* | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae I think it's fairly safe to say that master is available to start ripping the upgrade stuff apart and doing the thing | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | I'd suggest trying to break it into parts so that the patches are easier to test and review. | 16:30 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Cool, then I will try to start on that tonight or tomorrow, at least to get a commit on for people to lob comments at | 16:30 |
| palendae | Right | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 cloudnull hughsaunders andymccr please review https://review.openstack.org/207713 asap | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | we need to finalise and approve that before we get any patches merged | 16:31 |
| hughsaunders | needs manual rebase | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | #action cores to review the liberty upgrade spec https://review.openstack.org/207713 | 16:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^^ | 16:32 |
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| palendae | My first patch is basically, for master, going to be ripping out everything and leaving a blank slate so we can start filling stuff in that's relevant | 16:32 |
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| palendae | Maybe an error message if Juno config files are found letting the deployer know they should go to kilo | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | hughsaunders I think we need to revise gating in time for liberty too - will you be able to put https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/split-aio-gates together before the next meeting? | 16:32 |
| palendae | That's where I'll start, and probably need to get started on the upgrade gate script very soon, too | 16:33 |
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| odyssey4me | hughsaunders I'm happy to work with you on it, but our gating issues are starting to cause major disruption and the tests are not trusted, resulting in delays for reviews | 16:33 |
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| hughsaunders | odyssey4me: cool, lets collaborate, I thought I saw you working on some sort of gating matrix. | 16:34 |
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| palendae | For upgrade testing: are people ok with just verifying the upgrade runs then running tempest after the upgrade? | 16:34 |
| palendae | As in install (current-1), upgrade to current, run current's tempest | 16:34 |
| palendae | Should probably put that in the spec | 16:34 |
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| hughsaunders | deploy, tempest, upgrade, tempest | 16:35 |
| stevelle | I think that is a great place to target for liberty, palendae | 16:35 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae I think tempest both times would be better - and I think that the upgrade tests should perhaps be periodic, rather than per commit - the upgrade test will be very long | 16:35 |
| hughsaunders | otherwise you don't know whether hte initial deploy or the upgrade failed | 16:35 |
| palendae | hughsaunders: Why a tempest in the middle, out of curiosity? I'm leaving out because of (current -1) because (hopefully) its gate is doing that | 16:35 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Yes, that needs to be periodic | 16:35 |
| palendae | I need to get it written before I ask infra about it, but yep | 16:36 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae we'll be doing work with infra and can help with that - figure out the bits in our repo and once you have a process that works then we can put a gate test in that uses it | 16:36 |
| palendae | Yep | 16:36 |
| hughsaunders | palendae: tempest is a reasonably short amount of time out of a deploy-upgrade run, and running it after the initial deploy makes determining the source of a problem easier | 16:36 |
| palendae | hughsaunders: Fair enough | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | agreed with hughsaunders - if we don't know that the starting env was ok, then any fails in the upgrade are not determinable | 16:37 |
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| palendae | Ok, that's fair | 16:38 |
| palendae | It's why I asked :) | 16:38 |
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| odyssey4me | beyond liberty, in the M cycle, we have these blueprints to cover | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/independent-role-repositories | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/implement-rally-support | 16:39 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/multi-platform-host | 16:39 |
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| odyssey4me | the rally role is actually ready already, but before we register a new repo for it we need to agree to register independent repositories for roles | 16:40 |
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| odyssey4me | ie we need the agreement in principle to do it which is covered in https://review.openstack.org/213779 | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | I'd like us to get that review ready so that I can push it out to the ML for feedback next week. | 16:42 |
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| odyssey4me | #action hughsaunders and odyssey4me to prepare a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/split-aio-gates | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | does anyone want to work with me to prepare a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/multi-platform-host ? | 16:43 |
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| odyssey4me | hughsaunders so the idea I have is simply to instrument the plays to support alternative platforms | 16:45 |
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| odyssey4me | it's easy enough to do - I have tested it out and have a method | 16:45 |
| palendae | Yeah, there's a standard pattern for that now | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | at least from a package standpoint | 16:45 |
| palendae | Per-distro vars/playbooks | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | aside: https://review.openstack.org/215093 has merged on hpcloud - master is fair game (just rebase) | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | palendae no need for per distro playbooks - just vars will do | 16:46 |
| palendae | Ah, cool | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | it won't make the code path onerous, so I think it's actually pretty easy | 16:46 |
| palendae | I must be thinking of puppet then | 16:46 |
| palendae | Yeah | 16:46 |
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| odyssey4me | also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/add-support-for-systemd will help | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | I think that cloudnull has mostly got that worked out in a lab already | 16:47 |
| palendae | Yep | 16:47 |
| palendae | And I would imagine there will be talk of moving ot 16.04 | 16:47 |
| palendae | This needs to be done before that | 16:48 |
| palendae | Or, rather, would make doing that move much, much easier | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | yep | 16:48 |
| palendae | And supporting distros already on systemd | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Reviews | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | as always, please keep an eye out on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:%22Jesse+Pretorius%22+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment,n,z | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:%22Jesse+Pretorius%22+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment,n,z | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Open discussion | 16:50 |
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| odyssey4me | anyone want to raise anything? | 16:50 |
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| odyssey4me | alright, that's it then - thank you all for your time! | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| palendae | Nothing from me right now | 16:52 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 20 16:52:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-20-16.00.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-20-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-20-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 20 17:03:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:03 |
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| georgewang | hi | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:03 |
| LouisF | hi | 17:03 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:03 |
| mohankumar_ | Hi Everyone ! | 17:03 |
| Swami | hi | 17:03 |
| Brian___ | hi | 17:03 |
| maxklyus | hi | 17:03 |
| abhisriatt | hi | 17:03 |
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| vikram_ | hi | 17:04 |
| johnsom_ | o/ | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | today I have two topics to discuss. one is the review of the spec and codes including the insertion type. the other is the encap format | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | any other topic? | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | ok let's start with the first topic | 17:05 |
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| cathy_ | #topic review of the spec and codes | 17:05 |
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| cathy_ | Here is the link to review | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/networking-sfc+branch:master+topic:networking-sfc,n,z | 17:05 |
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| cathy_ | The API spec has been ope for review for over 4 weeks. Now let's discuss the insertion/network type and reach consensus. Then I think it is ready for merge. | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | I see Vikram and Paul's comment. | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | The network type is per SF. That is, different SF could have different network types. | 17:08 |
| pcarver | within the same chain? | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | We cna not predict what types of SFs a chain will have | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes. | 17:09 |
| pcarver | ok | 17:09 |
| LouisF | pcarver: the may be a mix of SFs in the same chain | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | So we need to associate this network type with a SF's port pair, not with a chain | 17:10 |
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| cathy_ | This network type is a attribute of a SF. SF could be provided by different vendors and could be of different types. | 17:11 |
| vikram_ | can it have a default value? | 17:11 |
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| cathy_ | we do not know the default value since it is decided by the design/funcitonality provided by the SF vendor of the SF | 17:11 |
| cathy_ | we do not know the default value since it is decided by the design/funcitonality provided by the SF vendor | 17:12 |
| abhisriatt | what does “networy type” mean here? any example? | 17:12 |
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| cathy_ | abhisriatt: network type means whether it is a L2 or L3 type SF or bump in the wire type | 17:13 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_: Got it. | 17:13 |
| cathy_ | The Switch's behavior will be different when forwarding the flow packet to different types of SF | 17:13 |
| cathy_ | We have gone through these exercise in the data plane and found out that we need this network type specification in order for the data plane work properly | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | So does everyone agree with adding this attribute to the port pair? | 17:14 |
| LouisF | +1 | 17:15 |
| Brian___ | +1 | 17:15 |
| LouisF | i will change the name from insertion_type to network_type in the API doc | 17:15 |
| georgewang | +1 | 17:15 |
| pcarver | +1 | 17:15 |
| abhisriatt | +1 | 17:15 |
| mohankumar_ | cathy_ : +1.. if we dont other way to handle it ! | 17:16 |
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| cathy_ | #agree add network_type attribute to the port pair in the API | 17:16 |
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| s3wong | sorry, late. 101N was terrible | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | Could everyone go to the review links for all the spec and codes and either give your +1 or your comments. I am going to ask the Neutron PTL to approve it if no more major comments? They have been open for review for quite some time. | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: No. Thanks for joining | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | Now let's go to second topic | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | #topic data path encap format | 17:19 |
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| cathy_ | Here is the link to the encap format which abhisriatt and I have put. Let's walk through them and see if any questions | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ServiceInsertionAndChaining | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: I see that you change the destination mac at the source VM's OVS. right? | 17:21 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_:right. | 17:21 |
| cathy_ | What type of SF are you assume is running on VM2? | 17:22 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_:we have open flow rules on that host’s ovs to modify the destination mac. | 17:22 |
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| cathy_ | abhisriatt: Yes, I understand that. My question is whether we need to modify the destination mac. | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | If the SF is L2 type, then there seems no need to modify the destination mac, but if it is L3, then yes we need to modify the destination mac otherwise the L3 SF will drop the packet | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | For L2 type, the SF itself has L2 capability and can figure out how to forward the packet properly based on mac learning. Just think about when forwarding a packet to a L2 Switch, we would not need to modify the destination mac to be the switch's mac | 17:25 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_: we modified the mac to make sure that the packet is steered to the SF node, instead of going to the destination. | 17:25 |
| abhisriatt | we didn’t assume anything as far as SFs are concerned. | 17:26 |
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| abhisriatt | We are still using Openstack’s GRE tunnels without creating any additional tunnels. | 17:26 |
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| cathy_ | OK, I see. Let me go through your flow again | 17:27 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: so in step 4 in your diagram you set DMAC to M4 when sending packet to VM2 | 17:27 |
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| abhisriatt | LouisF: DMAC is set to M4 at step 2. | 17:28 |
| abhisriatt | step 4 is just carrying the same packet. At step 4, GRE tunnels will be stripped at br-tun, and the packet is delivered to VM2. | 17:29 |
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| cathy_ | abhisriatt: OK, I think your flow format is good. But I will go through it after the meeting. | 17:30 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: that means flow on node 1 must be aware of MAC on node 2? | 17:30 |
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| abhisriatt | LouisF: Yes. we build that information graph as soon as we receive the SF request. | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | I guess other people might need more time to go through it and we can continue reviewing the flow format after the meeting. | 17:31 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: since you set DMAC = M4 on node 1 | 17:31 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_ : sure. | 17:31 |
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| cathy_ | Another option is to change the destination mac on OVS 2 instead of OVS1. What do you think? | 17:32 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_: Yes. But how would packet be routed to OVS2 to make that happen. If mac is not modified, the packet would have gone to OVS3. | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | Since the OVS is programmed by OVS driver, we can choose how to program it. | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | The outer header will make it to OVS2 | 17:33 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_: The underlying GRE tunnels do the MAC learning. In that case, you have to flush the existing rules and create handcrafted rules. | 17:34 |
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| abhisriatt | cathy_: that would also affect the routing of other flows classes not part of SF. | 17:34 |
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| cathy_ | abhisriatt: I think you are right. | 17:35 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_: with this approach, we can rely on the underlying openstack networking to do all the work. | 17:36 |
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| cathy_ | abhisriatt: let me think about this more and we can discuss this further in next meeting. And other folks could have time to think about it and bring their input/comments | 17:36 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_: sounds good. | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: Agree | 17:37 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_:yes. | 17:37 |
| mohankumar_ | cathy_: okay | 17:37 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: need to digest the diagram first | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: My original thought is same as yours and the diagram I sent you has the same flow format as yours. But later I feel some problem. Now I need to think about this again. | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: sure | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | Any other topic ? | 17:39 |
| pcarver | I have a topic | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | pcarver:OK | 17:40 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_:”But later I feel some problem” — which encapsulation method are referring to? | 17:40 |
| pcarver | Do we know what the expectation is for packaging and deployment? I mean we're making some changes to existing components such as the OvS agent and neutronclient. How would we expect that this gets deployed? | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | The one you posted. But now I think yours is correct. Let me think about it after the meeting and get back to you | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: god question | 17:41 |
| pcarver | Does this have to get merged back into Neutron before it's practically available? | 17:41 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_:sure. sounds good. | 17:41 |
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| pcarver | Or do we have some notion of how someone would deploy Neutron and then additionally deploy networking-sfc | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | We will follow similar mechanism done for DVR or other Neutron approved sub-project | 17:42 |
| Swami | cathy_: DVR was part of neutron | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | I need to do some investigation or ask Kyle/Armando or other core member on this. | 17:43 |
| s3wong | how is it done for l2gw? | 17:43 |
| pcarver | this big tent thing is new | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes, it is new. Let me ask Kyle on that | 17:43 |
| pcarver | I was going to post to the mailing list to see if there's a general view on how it should work | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes, L2GW is an example | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | or dragonflow sub-project | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | AFAIK dragonflow will be release in Liberty | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | Swami: welcome back! do you know how other sub-project is packaged and released, deployed? | 17:45 |
| Swami | Swami: no I don't know | 17:45 |
| pcarver | It seems to me that somehow there has to be a code merge | 17:46 |
| pcarver | If we're making copies of existing Neutron components into the networking-sfc repo | 17:46 |
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| pcarver | If we only used inheritance or APIs then it would be different | 17:46 |
| s3wong | l2gw seems to be using ovsdb instead of extending existing ovs agent; nevermind | 17:46 |
| pcarver | but I believe we're actually making changes to specific Python files that would be pre-existing from Neutron packages | 17:47 |
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| pcarver | And a deployer wouldn't want to overwrite Liberty Neutron packages with files from networking-sfc if we haven't merged in all non-sfc Liberty Neutron development | 17:48 |
| s3wong | dragonfly seems to also has its own agent instead of extending Neutron OVS agent... | 17:48 |
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| s3wong | * dragonflow (damn auto-correct) | 17:48 |
| pcarver | That's part of the reason that the AT&T SFC that abhisriatt worked on in R&D was built as a standalone thing | 17:48 |
| s3wong | we may have to do that as well --- have our own OVS-sfc agent | 17:49 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: yes that may be a solution | 17:49 |
| abhisriatt | pcarver: I was going to give the same reason :) | 17:49 |
| pcarver | It was built to interact with public Neutron APIs and it manipulates OvS directly rather than modifying Neutron's OvS agent | 17:49 |
| s3wong | pcarver: seems like that is the approach for the other subprojects that are using OVS as well | 17:50 |
| pcarver | It does make sense to integrate it long term, but I'm not clear on how it will work in the big tent model | 17:50 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: you raised a very criitical question. We need to get a clear answer on this. | 17:50 |
| abhisriatt | s3wong: can we not adopt the same external approach? | 17:50 |
| s3wong | pcarver: yeah... for stuff like dragonflow, I am not sure if it would ever be merged into Neutron core repo | 17:51 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: s3wong would you like to take this action item together with me? | 17:51 |
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| s3wong | abhisriatt: what is the alternative? Refactor OVS agent to make it extensible? | 17:51 |
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| pcarver | s3wong: now that might not be a bad idea to think about | 17:52 |
| s3wong | cathy_: sure... I meant to investigate this actually. It was a good thing pcarver brought it up | 17:52 |
| pcarver | Alterntively, how clear are you on super()? | 17:52 |
| abhisriatt | s3wong: having a separate SFC agent to talk to ovs switches. | 17:52 |
| pcarver | I've watched Raymond Hettinger's PyCon talk on Super considered super and I'm wondering if we might leverage that approach | 17:53 |
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| s3wong | pcarver: so SFC would implement a child class of ova agent class? | 17:53 |
| cathy_ | AFAIK, modifying existing OVS agent is the way some other projects use | 17:54 |
| pcarver | I haven't thought through all the details here, but wondering if would be possible to alter the components in Neutron to inherit functions from SFC classes | 17:54 |
| cathy_ | I mean extending OVS agent | 17:54 |
| s3wong | abhisriatt: that was what we've been talking about so far, right? Have our own agent that runs (hopefully never in conflict with) in conjunction with the Neutron OVS agent? | 17:54 |
| LouisF | s3wong: yes can have a child class of ovs agent | 17:54 |
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| abhisriatt | s3wong: yes. | 17:54 |
| pcarver | I think the two options are to write totally independent components (for API, DB and agent) or to find a way to dynamically (at runtime) inherit functionality | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | OK, let's take the action item and find out how we should proceed with the packaging, release, and coding | 17:56 |
| pcarver | What I don't think will work well is to have a Neutron version of a given .py file and a networking-sfc version of the same .py file | 17:56 |
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| s3wong | pcarver: in generally, SFC library has a dependency on Neutron package --- so we can have Neutron ovs agent inheriting from SFC OVS agent class to adopt functionality | 17:57 |
| s3wong | * in general | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: +1 | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | Time is up. Let's warp up. | 17:57 |
| s3wong | * can't | 17:57 |
| s3wong | (sorry) | 17:57 |
| pcarver | The direction of the inheritance is what I haven't figured out yet. The obvious approach would be to strictly inherit from Neutron into our own classes. But Hettinger's talk about replacing suppliers at runtime got me thinking of maybe doing it the other way around. | 17:57 |
| s3wong | pcarver: obviously I am not a Python expert :-) | 17:58 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: let's put that investigation as an #action | 17:58 |
| pcarver | In that case I highly recommend the talk. It's on Youtube. I'm not a Python guru either but I found it enlightening. | 17:58 |
| s3wong | pcarver: sure | 17:58 |
| pcarver | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiOglTERPEo | 17:58 |
| mohankumar_ | for client code , we inherit neutronclient code and using it as extension API | 17:59 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: thanks for the link | 17:59 |
| s3wong | mohankumar_: yes, that direction makes sense | 17:59 |
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| cathy_ | Ok, everyone, let's sync up next meeting. Please go to the links to give your final review. | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | bye for now | 18:00 |
| s3wong | mohankumar_: though now we are thinking about having installed and loaded an agent on host, then dynamically load a library on top... don't know if it has been done before yet | 18:00 |
| s3wong | Thanks guys! | 18:00 |
| Brian___ | bye | 18:00 |
| LouisF | bye | 18:00 |
| abhisriatt | bye | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 20 18:00:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-08-20-17.03.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-08-20-17.03.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-08-20-17.03.log.html | 18:00 |
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| mohankumar_ | its been followed other extension pjt also | 18:00 |
| mohankumar_ | bye | 18:01 |
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