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rhallisey | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 5 16:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhallisey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
rhallisey | #topic rollcall | 16:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
SamYaple | o/ | 16:00 |
rhallisey | hello | 16:00 |
jasonsb | hi | 16:00 |
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akwasnie | hi | 16:00 |
sdake | o/ | 16:00 |
pbourke | hi | 16:01 |
echoingumesh | hi | 16:01 |
jpeeler | hey | 16:01 |
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rhallisey | looks like that's everyone, but I'll give it another moment | 16:01 |
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rhallisey | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:02 | |
rhallisey | k go ahead sdake | 16:02 |
sdake | so if you dont mind i'll handle this section rhallisey | 16:02 |
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sdake | #1: kolla has been accepted by TC vote into the big tent https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206789/ | 16:03 |
sdake | this is all because of our fantastic community | 16:03 |
pbourke | woohoo | 16:04 |
rhallisey | woo grats everyone! | 16:04 |
inc0 | Long live kolla:) as TTX said | 16:04 |
sdake | i've buit 3 rockstar teams in openstack - first heat then magnum then kolla - really exciting for me | 16:04 |
pbourke | and fantastic PTL *ahem* :p | 16:04 |
sdake | ptl is just a facilitator :) | 16:04 |
sdake | although I do a bunch of technical work as well :) | 16:04 |
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sdake | so give me credit for that, atleast 12% credit ;) | 16:04 |
SamYaple | 11% | 16:05 |
SamYaple | best i can do | 16:05 |
sdake | joke from the avengers movie | 16:05 |
SamYaple | joke from pawn stars | 16:05 |
rhallisey | haven't seen it :) | 16:05 |
sdake | #2 - we ar ein charge of our own schedule and releases for the moment but we will still follow the upstream schedule | 16:05 |
sdake | what this means is our deadline is end of July (iirc) for liberty-3 | 16:06 |
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sdake | then there is a 3-4 week FFE period (feature freeze exception) | 16:06 |
sdake | where the absolutely critical things that aren't finished can be done | 16:06 |
sdake | but ideally we should be feature frozen whenever the pstream schedule is | 16:06 |
inc0 | end of July is in -6 days;) | 16:06 |
rhallisey | August | 16:06 |
sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 16:07 |
rhallisey | -6 days lol | 16:07 |
sdake | ya aug 4 | 16:07 |
sdake | we have until september 4th (another month) to close out the release and fix any problems with it | 16:08 |
sdake | i'd expect we will llock down somewhere in the middle of the rc period except for critical bug fixes | 16:08 |
sdake | #3 - samyaple changed his affiliation in stackalytics so our diversity is more accurate as a result - and looks even more fantastic | 16:08 |
sdake | he changed it to what it really was ;) | 16:09 |
SamYaple | updated* | 16:09 |
sdake | so its not like he is gaming the system or something | 16:09 |
sdake | ya updated | 16:09 |
SamYaple | stackalytics just never trackedit correctly | 16:09 |
sdake | ok thanks thats it go ahead rhallisey | 16:09 |
rhallisey | cool | 16:09 |
rhallisey | well nice work everyone lots of exciting news after being accpeted into the big tent | 16:09 |
rhallisey | and nice work on the l2 release | 16:10 |
rhallisey | onward! | 16:10 |
sdake | oh ya that should have been i na nnoucnements ;) | 16:10 |
rhallisey | #topic Liberty-3 planning | 16:10 |
sdake | grats on l2 releease folks! | 16:10 |
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rhallisey | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-3 | 16:10 |
rhallisey | so we have a lot of BPs here | 16:11 |
rhallisey | 9 are still open | 16:11 |
inc0 | I can take on logs stuff | 16:11 |
rhallisey | and 2 open that are essential | 16:11 |
inc0 | if noone objects | 16:11 |
rhallisey | inc0, ok assign yourself | 16:11 |
rhallisey | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-swift | 16:11 |
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rhallisey | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-swift | 16:11 |
sdake | we hav emore that need to be filed as wlel I think | 16:11 |
rhallisey | anyone wana take on swift? | 16:11 |
rhallisey | sdake, I think so | 16:12 |
sdake | I'd like a core reviewer to take on each ansible blueprint as well | 16:12 |
rhallisey | I want to at least get coverage for critical and high | 16:12 |
sdake | so every core reviewer understands how the ansible code works | 16:12 |
rhallisey | anyone core that doesn't have an ansible wana take on swift? | 16:12 |
sdake | doing one (takes 4-8 hours) will teach you the whole system | 16:12 |
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SamYaple | pbourke knows the ansible code | 16:13 |
pbourke | I'll take it, but | 16:13 |
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pbourke | just be aware I think there's a little more work in Swift than some of the others | 16:13 |
sdake | well its jsut that yu sort of did swift containers already | 16:13 |
pbourke | but yeah agree it makes sense | 16:13 |
sdake | maybe you can get someone to help? | 16:13 |
rhallisey | I can ask jmccarthy | 16:14 |
rhallisey | if you don't want to | 16:14 |
pbourke | well I sit beside him ;) | 16:14 |
sdake | ya maybe you guys can team up on it | 16:14 |
rhallisey | nice | 16:14 |
sdake | that leaves gnocchi and zaqar | 16:15 |
rhallisey | another that is high | 16:15 |
rhallisey | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-ceilometer | 16:15 |
sdake | which are sort of ancillary services | 16:15 |
rhallisey | does ceilometer offically work? I haven't tried it | 16:15 |
rhallisey | sdake, + ceilo | 16:15 |
sdake | i think its coming along but haven't tried it as well | 16:15 |
sdake | ya agree rhallisey | 16:15 |
sdake | maybe we can get jpeeler or mandre to take that one | 16:16 |
sdake | although i think jpeeler is doing ironic | 16:16 |
sdake | and we need ansible for ironic | 16:16 |
rhallisey | ya wfm | 16:16 |
sdake | jpeeler can you tackle ironic ansible codebase? | 16:16 |
sdake | if so, i'll send an emai to mandre about ceilometer | 16:16 |
jpeeler | i guess that fits since i was already working on it | 16:17 |
SamYaple | anycahnce anyone wants to do Trove? | 16:17 |
SamYaple | i really want to to land but so far no work has begun | 16:17 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, I'm going to get ceph going then I'll try for trove | 16:17 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: awesome | 16:17 |
SamYaple | we can do external ceph right now with kolla and ansible, would be nive to have containers | 16:17 |
sdake | rhallisey samyaple has a ref implementation of ceph in his yodu repo | 16:17 |
sdake | check that out | 16:17 |
rhallisey | the current cinder should work with a ceph cluster | 16:17 |
rhallisey | just needs some addition config | 16:18 |
sdake | yes I'd like to go completely to ceph | 16:18 |
sdake | rhallisey coolsvap did cinder container and i thhink it does ceph support with ansible | 16:18 |
sdake | not cinder container but ansible support for cinder contianer | 16:18 |
SamYaple | yea its just config things | 16:18 |
rhallisey | using tgt is more setup work that actually using external ceph | 16:19 |
rhallisey | so I expect it to work | 16:19 |
SamYaple | way more work | 16:19 |
rhallisey | ya | 16:19 |
rhallisey | but it's good to have internal storage around | 16:20 |
rhallisey | but it should be lvm | 16:20 |
sdake | its configurable iirc | 16:20 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: i can work with you on ceph containers. the procedure for inital cluster is hardest | 16:20 |
rhallisey | ya it is | 16:20 |
sdake | samyaple has actually done a thorough review | 16:20 |
SamYaple | if you do the containers i can do the ansible stuff quickly | 16:20 |
rhallisey | kk | 16:20 |
rhallisey | I just wanted to draw attention to another BP real quick | 16:20 |
rhallisey | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/containerize-dependencies | 16:20 |
sdake | so sounds like we need a blueprint for ceph then | 16:20 |
sdake | can someone file that? | 16:20 |
SamYaple | we have one sdake | 16:20 |
rhallisey | sdake, I think we do | 16:20 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: is assigned | 16:21 |
pbourke | was the templating discussed at all? | 16:21 |
SamYaple | wait | 16:21 |
SamYaple | can we jump back to logging for a second | 16:21 |
SamYaple | can we clarify what we are planning with that. | 16:21 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, ya I just wanted to make sure your review gets attention | 16:21 |
rhallisey | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208451/ | 16:21 |
SamYaple | we _need_ logging to files, but are re requiring central logging? | 16:21 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, ok go ahead | 16:22 |
SamYaple | are we calling ELKStack or central logging essential for l3 | 16:22 |
rhallisey | #topic Logging | 16:22 |
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sdake | what I'd like to see is per-node data container logging to files, with a logstash thing that forwards to a central logging | 16:22 |
sdake | i realize this is imperfect | 16:22 |
SamYaple | logstash stashes | 16:22 |
sdake | because some services cant store to files | 16:23 |
sdake | i thought logstash forwarded | 16:23 |
SamYaple | what is this central logging you are refering to | 16:23 |
sdake | or was part of that | 16:23 |
SamYaple | something we implement? | 16:23 |
SamYaple | or just "optional" | 16:23 |
sdake | well we are not goign to implement syslog or anything ike that | 16:23 |
SamYaple | like we dont have a contaienr, but you can build your own thing | 16:23 |
sdake | but we should try to have an intgrated soution for the problem | 16:23 |
jasonsb | i thought it was optional | 16:23 |
SamYaple | it has to be optional | 16:23 |
sdake | ya optional is fine | 16:23 |
sdake | but we should provide some mechanism of logging that is coherent | 16:24 |
SamYaple | ok so we just need logging to be rounded up on each node and optionally be forwarded somewhere | 16:24 |
sdake | because what we have now is a charlie foxtrot ;) | 16:24 |
jasonsb | maybe this will be motivation for oslo.log to work correctly | 16:24 |
sdake | i think that makes sense | 16:24 |
SamYaple | ok thats fine with me | 16:24 |
SamYaple | so the central logging bluebrint can stay in discussion | 16:24 |
dims | jasonsb: please log a bug against olso.log? :) | 16:25 |
sdake | oslo.log is fine | 16:25 |
SamYaple | and the logging blueprint will be unifying the logs and then optionally allowing them to be forwraded | 16:25 |
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rhallisey | ok cool | 16:25 |
sdake | the problem is some service s outside openstack dont' even log to files | 16:25 |
jasonsb | sdake: maybe there was just a miscommunication between oslo and nova while back | 16:25 |
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SamYaple | sdake: yea thats fine, rsyslog still has to exist in the logstash stuff | 16:26 |
sdake | jasonsb well file a bug - wasn't aware there was conflict between nova and oslo.log ;) | 16:26 |
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SamYaple | sdake: log everything to resyslog and spit it to the disk, then optionally forward it | 16:26 |
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jasonsb | + | 16:26 |
SamYaple | thats what the midcycle agreed to and that covers everyone | 16:26 |
jasonsb | +1 | 16:26 |
sdake | ok wfm | 16:26 |
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rhallisey | cool sounds good | 16:27 |
rhallisey | ok we'll move on | 16:27 |
rhallisey | #topic gating | 16:27 |
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SamYaple | woo | 16:27 |
sdake | actually rhallisey | 16:27 |
sdake | can you #undo that | 16:27 |
sdake | and go to templating first | 16:27 |
rhallisey | #undo | 16:27 |
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sdake | pbourke had a topic on it he wanted to discuss | 16:27 |
rhallisey | #topic templating | 16:27 |
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rhallisey | pbourke, go ahead | 16:28 |
pbourke | just wanted to see what the plans were for it, as I kind of need it yesterday :p | 16:28 |
sdake | there is an etherpad with an example prototype implementation of keystone available | 16:28 |
sdake | sec let me fidn it | 16:28 |
pbourke | ah that's right I saw that | 16:28 |
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sdake | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/dockerfile-template | 16:29 |
SamYaple | i believe coolsvap|away was leading that | 16:29 |
SamYaple | whats the progress? | 16:29 |
sdake | i think we need to come to conclusion if that example is acceptable to evereyone | 16:29 |
inc0 | akwasnie, did you start with coolsvap|away ? | 16:30 |
pbourke | bp is asigned to akwasnie atm, akwasnie are you taking over ? | 16:30 |
sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-dockerfile-template | 16:30 |
inc0 | pbourke, they'll cooperate | 16:30 |
sdake | I don't recall coolsvap|away taking ownership on that | 16:30 |
akwasnie | inc0: yes | 16:30 |
SamYaple | sdake: i discussed that with him and akwasnie | 16:30 |
sdake | oh roger | 16:31 |
SamYaple | they said they would take lead | 16:31 |
pbourke | inc0: akwasnieL sounds good guys | 16:31 |
sdake | well you are on different tz then me :) | 16:31 |
SamYaple | :) | 16:31 |
sdake | so folks can we get agreement on the tempalte format | 16:31 |
sdake | I'mg ood with it | 16:31 |
sdake | i thikn its a little overcomplicated but should be fine | 16:31 |
SamYaple | we shoudl get the base template out for that ASAP akwasnie | 16:31 |
SamYaple | that way if anyone disagress they can say so | 16:31 |
pbourke | it would be nice to have a little more discussion later | 16:31 |
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pbourke | on the ins and outs | 16:31 |
akwasnie | agree | 16:31 |
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SamYaple | yea i think the base example should allow for that conversaiont pbourke | 16:32 |
pbourke | a WIP, even better | 16:32 |
pbourke | cool | 16:32 |
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sdake | also i'd like the filesystem layout documented in the etherpad | 16:32 |
akwasnie | i will send base example in 2 days max, i think | 16:32 |
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SamYaple | akwasnie: on | 16:32 |
SamYaple | ok* | 16:32 |
sdake | akwasnie if yo ucan add the filesystem layout to the etherpad that would rock ;-) | 16:32 |
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rhallisey | I'm ok with adding this as a discussion for our next meeting | 16:33 |
sdake | akwasnie also are we putting these ina new directory? | 16:33 |
akwasnie | where would you like me to place those templates in kolla dir tree? | 16:33 |
rhallisey | this does change the template a bit, but I think we need it | 16:33 |
sdake | oh i see right there "docker_templates" | 16:33 |
sdake | its right in the etherpad | 16:34 |
sdake | my bad | 16:34 |
SamYaple | yes sdake, thats been confirmed and everyone is on the same page for that | 16:34 |
inc0 | rhallisey, next meeting might be hard as its after midnight for us | 16:34 |
SamYaple | akwasnie: yes right beside the docker folder | 16:34 |
SamYaple | docker_templates | 16:34 |
akwasnie | ok | 16:34 |
sdake | i'd like to see the child directories as well | 16:34 |
rhallisey | inc0, ok let's do what we can now | 16:34 |
sdake | in the etherpad | 16:34 |
SamYaple | how about i submit a base structure patch with the skel structure sdake | 16:35 |
sdake | wfm | 16:35 |
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rhallisey | I think we can have more discussion on this soon | 16:35 |
pbourke | the main thing the existing example is missing is some mechanism for custom snippets | 16:35 |
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SamYaple | pbourke: yea easy to add. will do | 16:36 |
pbourke | awesome | 16:36 |
SamYaple | we have a linked bluebrint for that | 16:36 |
sdake | we need to be able to handle rhel | 16:36 |
SamYaple | i think we all understand the concerns at this point | 16:36 |
sdake | and that has some special logic to register the os | 16:36 |
SamYaple | we can discuss more after some code lands | 16:36 |
rhallisey | since inc0 and akwasnie won't be around next Wed we can push it back possibly or have the discussion in #kolla | 16:36 |
SamYaple | everyone ok with that? | 16:36 |
rhallisey | SamYaple, agreed | 16:36 |
pbourke | +1 | 16:36 |
sdake | wfm | 16:36 |
sdake | getting ready to lose network - lets move on :) | 16:36 |
rhallisey | ya I think as we get to see me we can chat about it in #kolla | 16:37 |
akwasnie | +1 | 16:37 |
inc0 | lets get some prototype and dicuss it early next week | 16:37 |
rhallisey | #topic gating | 16:37 |
*** openstack changes topic to "gating (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:37 | |
SamYaple | woo | 16:37 |
rhallisey | jpeeler, has been away getting married congrats! | 16:37 |
SamYaple | woo | 16:37 |
rhallisey | jpeeler, I was wondering if you were still looking at this? | 16:37 |
inc0 | we've lost a good collegue | 16:37 |
akwasnie | +1 | 16:38 |
inc0 | may God have mercy on his soul | 16:38 |
rhallisey | lol | 16:38 |
sdake | lol inc0 | 16:38 |
jpeeler | heh thanks | 16:38 |
jpeeler | which part are we talk about exactly? | 16:38 |
sdake | well we need to improve the gate | 16:38 |
rhallisey | jpeeler, just a status | 16:38 |
jpeeler | before i left, i was working to get the new builder in the gate | 16:38 |
sdake | oen thing is build.py gating | 16:38 |
rhallisey | or any opinion | 16:38 |
jpeeler | but "the gate" ncludes smoke testing, tempest, and more | 16:39 |
jpeeler | i'm assigned the blueprint to get tempest going too | 16:39 |
jpeeler | lots to do | 16:39 |
rhallisey | always is | 16:39 |
sdake | someone suggested rally for testing | 16:39 |
sdake | i kind of dismissed it but then remembered I dont really know what rally is | 16:40 |
jpeeler | i was just going to ask that | 16:40 |
jpeeler | sdake: you mean rally instead of tempest? | 16:40 |
rhallisey | don't either | 16:40 |
sdake | so maybe that is something we should investigate | 16:40 |
sdake | I dont know I kind of dismissedi t | 16:40 |
sdake | but some people at the midcycle seemed pretty keen on it | 16:40 |
SamYaple | rally for testing would be nice but i dont think it matters atm | 16:40 |
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sdake | and I realized I made a mistake by dismissing without eval | 16:40 |
SamYaple | i always thought it was good for larger scale | 16:40 |
pbourke | right now anything that gates images not building and starting up would save major time | 16:40 |
sdake | agree we need an ansiblegate | 16:41 |
SamYaple | single node in the gate well it doesnt seem like rally would be the right choice | 16:41 |
pbourke | sometimes I feel like im QA | 16:41 |
sdake | sofirst step to that is build.py gating | 16:41 |
pbourke | with building and testing patches | 16:41 |
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sdake | next step is aio ansible deploy or docker in docker deploy | 16:41 |
jpeeler | right, build.py in the gate is first. and there are necessary logging changes before that can occur | 16:41 |
sdake | i think sam was going to work on docker in docker deploy | 16:41 |
SamYaple | sdake: got a partiol script | 16:42 |
SamYaple | should be drop in | 16:42 |
jpeeler | docker in docker? interesting | 16:42 |
SamYaple | jpeeler: ill tell you about it! | 16:42 |
sdake | cool so if sam finishes up the partial script i'll handle gtting the gate rollling on that | 16:42 |
rhallisey | DinD | 16:42 |
jpeeler | thatrock | 16:42 |
rhallisey | cool thanks jpeeler for the status | 16:43 |
sdake | how does docker in docker work in a 3 minute breakown samyaple | 16:43 |
sdake | just so folks understand what we are doing | 16:43 |
rhallisey | imagine putting a little box into a bigger box | 16:43 |
SamYaple | whats in the box.... | 16:43 |
sdake | a dead cat | 16:43 |
SamYaple | so quick run down | 16:43 |
pbourke | an inception dvd | 16:44 |
rhallisey | dead cat | 16:44 |
rhallisey | lol | 16:44 |
SamYaple | we have a single gate, we need multinode testing | 16:44 |
SamYaple | normally that would mean vms, that is not going to work in the gate | 16:44 |
SamYaple | so we can do docker in docker, which is just what it sounds like | 16:44 |
SamYaple | have a super docker container running on the host | 16:44 |
SamYaple | and dokcer running in that container, running hte kolla services | 16:44 |
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SamYaple | that allows us ot have several super docker contaienrs simulating nodes | 16:45 |
sdake | the docker running in the container running the kolla services gets its own ip address? | 16:45 |
SamYaple | yes | 16:45 |
sdake | cool | 16:45 |
inc0 | SamYaple, I'm wondering if we hit problems with host-network | 16:45 |
pbourke | are we realy the first project to need multi node testing? | 16:45 |
SamYaple | inc0: thats the best part, no | 16:45 |
pbourke | s/testing/gate | 16:45 |
SamYaple | the only way out of the docker contaienr will be an l2 veth pair | 16:45 |
sdake | pbourke no trileo does it but they have their own gating system with hardware they provide to the foundation | 16:45 |
inc0 | we'll use docker proxy | 16:45 |
SamYaple | with that in mind we can properly test multinode on a single node | 16:45 |
jpeeler | i'd be really surprised if the gate didn't support multiple VMs somehow, but we don't need VMs with docker in docker | 16:46 |
SamYaple | jpeeler: it does but is a pita | 16:46 |
SamYaple | and it makes gating take forever to scheduler | 16:46 |
jpeeler | i mean, yeah not saying we should do that anyway | 16:46 |
SamYaple | anyway DinD means we can do multinode on a single node reliably | 16:46 |
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jpeeler | docker in docker has the added benefit of easy dev env | 16:47 |
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SamYaple | it also has the benefit of testing deploying with a private registry on "fresh" hosts that havent had the containers bbuilt on them | 16:47 |
SamYaple | we build on the host and push into the regirsty then pull into the contaienrs | 16:47 |
SamYaple | very real world like | 16:47 |
SamYaple | we can also test destructively in this method which is awesome | 16:47 |
SamYaple | the time limit on the gate will determine what test we can run | 16:48 |
rhallisey | nice | 16:48 |
SamYaple | but i thin kwe can run alot of tests | 16:48 |
SamYaple | thats about it from me | 16:48 |
jpeeler | one ? | 16:48 |
rhallisey | thanks SamYaple :) | 16:48 |
sdake | cool can't wait to see that running ;) | 16:48 |
jpeeler | how many interfaces does it require? | 16:48 |
SamYaple | jpeeler: just one :D | 16:48 |
jpeeler | yay! | 16:49 |
SamYaple | i use a veth pair for the second interface in the container | 16:49 |
SamYaple | on the host i just setup a bridge | 16:49 |
SamYaple | simulated l2 network | 16:49 |
SamYaple | the contaienr has two interfaces, the host needs only one | 16:49 |
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rhallisey | nice excited to see it working | 16:49 |
rhallisey | last order of business.. | 16:50 |
rhallisey | #topic Open Discussion | 16:50 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:50 | |
rhallisey | anyone got any cool stuff to talk about? | 16:50 |
rhallisey | like DinDinD | 16:50 |
sdake | sounds like we have a mountain of work to do | 16:50 |
rhallisey | for sure | 16:51 |
rhallisey | ok well looks good everyone | 16:51 |
SamYaple | but we had that for L2 as well | 16:51 |
sdake | we have approximately 4-8 weeks :) | 16:51 |
SamYaple | and we handled it | 16:51 |
rhallisey | got a month until l3 | 16:51 |
SamYaple | before L2 we had no config-external or ansible | 16:51 |
inc0 | DinDinD sounds like an alarm which should turn on every time you add unnexessary abstraction layer | 16:51 |
rhallisey | excited for another great release :) | 16:51 |
sdake | ya lets try to get hte major changes out of the way for l3 plz :) | 16:51 |
rhallisey | inc0, infinte D | 16:51 |
SamYaple | rhallisey: pointed to it before, but i have a review up for contaienred dependencies for ansible | 16:52 |
SamYaple | so the host only required docker and docker-py | 16:52 |
SamYaple | no other deps are needed | 16:52 |
rhallisey | ya thanks for bring that back up | 16:52 |
SamYaple | it is verified working, btu the current patchset is broken | 16:52 |
sdake | ya that should be rockin | 16:52 |
rhallisey | check out sams patch it will make things a lot easier to setup on your host | 16:52 |
SamYaple | please all review it because this is a big thing and what we are going is a bit wierd | 16:52 |
sdake | let me know when it works samyaple and i'll give it a spin | 16:52 |
jpeeler | same | 16:53 |
SamYaple | it should be good tomorrow | 16:53 |
sdake | ok they aer kicking me off the internets | 16:53 |
SamYaple | had it working earlier but applied some pbourke changes and it broke | 16:53 |
sdake | I gotta jet | 16:53 |
SamYaple | need to clean up some syntax | 16:53 |
rhallisey | cool. Nice job everyone good meeting! | 16:53 |
SamYaple | by sdake | 16:53 |
SamYaple | bye* | 16:53 |
pbourke | good luck | 16:53 |
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rhallisey | #endmeeting kolla | 16:53 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-08-05-16.00.html | 16:53 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-08-05-16.00.txt | 16:53 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-08-05-16.00.log.html | 16:53 |
rhallisey | thanks everyone! | 16:54 |
akwasnie | bye | 16:54 |
inc0 | cyas | 16:54 |
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rockyg | o/ | 20:00 |
jokke_ | o/ | 20:00 |
rockyg | log-wg or log_wg | 20:01 |
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rockyg | ?? | 20:01 |
rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 5 20:02:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:02 |
bknudson | hi | 20:02 |
rockyg | that looks right | 20:02 |
rockyg | Hey! bknudson | 20:02 |
jokke_ | yeah | 20:03 |
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rockyg | Agenda: Old bidness; ops meetup; new bidness | 20:03 |
rockyg | #topic old business | 20:04 |
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rockyg | requestID spec: looks like it is on its final round of review before acceptance. Time to jump in and catch anything that breaks logging sanity | 20:05 |
rockyg | Unfortunately, I'm on my own 'puter so don't have the review number, but its under openstack, no other project | 20:06 |
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rockyg | Any other comments about that? | 20:06 |
jokke_ | no I think it's getting there | 20:07 |
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rockyg | moving on, bugs. Any we highlighted or need to? (or other reviews) | 20:07 |
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rockyg | ok. Moving on. | 20:08 |
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rockyg | #topic ops meetup | 20:08 |
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rockyg | I'll be there and will have a working session. Plan on working on Error Code spec (hopefully just review comments from ops side if I get it the rest of the way) | 20:09 |
jokke_ | good | 20:09 |
jokke_ | try to get the folks joining to these meetings as well | 20:10 |
rockyg | I also hope to review and summarize past etherpads and get specs or bugs out for open items | 20:10 |
rockyg | And, yeah, recruit, recruit, recruit | 20:10 |
jokke_ | nice ... that's next week? | 20:10 |
rockyg | week after. I have a week to collect up stuff. Anyone with bugs they want discussed, lemme know. Or reviews for specs, bps, etc. | 20:11 |
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jokke_ | ok, puuh I was afraid already that time flew that badly ;) | 20:12 |
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rockyg | And the meeting is day 1, so might get input written up from others for discussion day 2 | 20:12 |
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jokke_ | sounds good ... we probably skip that week's meeting or? | 20:13 |
rockyg | I'm thinking maybe focusing on everyone's favorite error message "no valid host" for getting comments, bugs, etc | 20:13 |
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rockyg | Yeah. Most likely skip. Good idea. | 20:13 |
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rockyg | #info no meeting week of 8/17/2015 | 20:14 |
jokke_ | you and Doug are there | 20:14 |
rockyg | Yay! | 20:14 |
rockyg | bknudson, anything we should highlight from keystone, or your view of support on logging? | 20:14 |
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bknudson | rockyg: nope... we've got lots of known problems already | 20:15 |
jokke_ | :D | 20:15 |
bknudson | might be interesting to know if there's anything they're concerned about from a security perspective | 20:15 |
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rockyg | any top one you want solved, or at least documented as needs to be solved? | 20:15 |
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rockyg | Cool. Security. Yeah. Ops have much better idea about the real security issues of logs than most | 20:16 |
bknudson | we were asked to get the request IDs in the keystone logs, so would be nice to get that fixed | 20:16 |
jokke_ | was that bug tag log or logs? | 20:16 |
bknudson | also, the logs are useless in general | 20:16 |
rockyg | So, too general, or wrong message, or missing specific info? | 20:17 |
bknudson | they don't contain the right information to figure out what the problem might be. | 20:17 |
rockyg | can you shoot me a half page to page write up (actually, put it on wiki) on problems: a) how it is now b) what would be helpful | 20:18 |
bknudson | I don't have time for that. | 20:19 |
rockyg | OK. | 20:19 |
bknudson | too busy trying to fix things | 20:19 |
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rockyg | How about one instance in form or bug, or a pointer to an already existing bug? Any chance you have that? | 20:19 |
bknudson | I don't. | 20:19 |
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rockyg | ok. If you happen to stumble on something when firefighting, cut and paste into a bug and cc me, maybe? I'll have ops who specifically *aren't* on the front lines to help dig and maybe we can check one problem off for you. | 20:21 |
jokke_ | rockyg: I think good work topic would be probe if the rest of the ops agrees and are willing to if not fix the logging issues, at least give few detailed bugs what would help keystone | 20:22 |
rockyg | Great idea | 20:22 |
rockyg | #action generate bugs that help fix keystone logs | 20:22 |
rockyg | And, those might span multiple projects, so we can also cross post | 20:23 |
jokke_ | logging is such a nice topic they are easy low hanging fruits and generally straight forward to fix ... identifying the issues in details is the problematic part | 20:23 |
jokke_ | and ops if any should be able to give those pointers | 20:23 |
rockyg | Yes, and until we have details, no dev will touch them | 20:23 |
bknudson | just try things yourself and see if the logs are adequate | 20:23 |
jokke_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1450209 this is nice from glance end ;) | 20:24 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1450209 in Glance "Glance API logs a never ending stream of 404 tracebacks from glance-registry " [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to GB21 (geetika791) | 20:24 |
rockyg | Wow. Tracebacks. Jeez. | 20:24 |
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rockyg | Well, I'll be well armed at least. | 20:24 |
jokke_ | the registry client traces every time registry returns 404, which is for example always if the user does not have rights to view, list etc. | 20:25 |
rockyg | bknudson, is debug mode useful, or still bad for logging? | 20:25 |
rockyg | jokke_, is that in debug mode or? | 20:26 |
bknudson | well, you're not supposed to require debug mode to diagnose issues | 20:26 |
jokke_ | rockyg: nope :P | 20:26 |
bknudson | on top of that, debug mode generally doesn't help much. | 20:26 |
jokke_ | bknudson: ++ debug should be level needed _only_ by devs | 20:27 |
rockyg | bknudson, yeah, but if just one or a few dbug msgs turned into error msgs would help, changing levels is easy fix | 20:27 |
bknudson | that's not it. keystone needs to be rearchitected so that the info needed in the logs is available. | 20:27 |
rockyg | Ah. The crux of the matter. If debug can't debug, then even bigger problem. | 20:27 |
rockyg | Oh. Gotcha. So, it's likely a set of ops user stories, or a spec that calls out what needs to be readily available info for normal ops | 20:28 |
jokke_ | we should move whole openstack to waterfall mode for 3 cycles so projects would have opportunity to rewrite the dong that has been cumulating ;) | 20:29 |
bknudson | yep, rewrite the dong. | 20:29 |
rockyg | ++ | 20:29 |
rockyg | lol | 20:29 |
rockyg | so, that's an issue I'll bring up to product wg | 20:30 |
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jokke_ | biggest problem with agile/test driven development ... it becomes bubblegum holding together tripvire wrapped in duct tape and never possible to rewrite for cleanup :( | 20:31 |
rockyg | from what I can tell, OS could use a top to bottom rewrite with an eye to separating infrastructure management from user space management | 20:31 |
rockyg | I've been thinking of trying to get a friend to speak at a summit on agile QA. | 20:31 |
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rockyg | Anyway. Sounds like enough about meetup | 20:32 |
rockyg | #topic new business | 20:32 |
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rockyg | any new business? | 20:32 |
rockyg | FYI. I was at OSCon and ran into an Intel engineer who was escorting 7 high schoolers around | 20:34 |
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rockyg | All of them were openstack committers, which is why Intel was footing their bills | 20:34 |
rockyg | I think they would be great for going through and adding the error codes to logging calls. | 20:34 |
jokke_ | oh | 20:34 |
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jokke_ | cool | 20:34 |
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rockyg | So, something to think about. | 20:35 |
jokke_ | that's pretty cool on both ways. Those kids actually contributing and Intel taking the effort to bring them in | 20:36 |
* jokke_ likes | 20:36 | |
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rockyg | Yeah. Intel also sponsors the big science fair here in the states. It's amazing what high school kids can do | 20:36 |
rockyg | twenty years ago they were building scanning electron microscopes in their garages | 20:37 |
jokke_ | how old are your high school kids? | 20:38 |
jokke_ | ;) | 20:38 |
rockyg | Anyway, I think I should close this out. I think the key take away is get some focus on keystone logs and glance traces | 20:38 |
bknudson | I doubt it's just keystone... | 20:39 |
rockyg | Uh, lessee, I think they were 14-18 | 20:39 |
jokke_ | ++ thanks both of you! | 20:39 |
bknudson | it's just that keystone is the only thing I look at. | 20:39 |
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rockyg | keystone is kinda key. Security plus laced through everything else. | 20:39 |
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rockyg | Maybe I'll get the ops folks to rank the projects from best to worst on logging. Great exercise, I think. | 20:40 |
rockyg | #action Ops to rank projects best to worst on logging. | 20:40 |
rockyg | #action also get Ops to rank highest priority to lowest | 20:41 |
rockyg | Those are two actionable user stories. We get that, we have a test pilot project to focus improvement. | 20:42 |
rockyg | It also provides us some traction. thanks for the brainstorming! | 20:42 |
jokke_ | cheers | 20:42 |
rockyg | #endmeeting | 20:42 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 5 20:42:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:42 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-08-05-20.02.html | 20:42 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-08-05-20.02.txt | 20:42 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-08-05-20.02.log.html | 20:43 |
rockyg | Thanks for taking the time bknudson | 20:43 |
rockyg | and jokke_ | 20:43 |
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