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sigmavirus24 | o/ | 15:00 |
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TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 15:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:00 |
david-lyle | o/ | 15:00 |
lakshmiS | o/ | 15:00 |
TravT | good morning, afternoon, evening... | 15:00 |
sigmavirus24 | o/ | 15:00 |
sigmavirus24 | good tomorrow | 15:00 |
TravT | will give a couple mins for people to join. | 15:00 |
sigmavirus24 | I mean... yesterday | 15:00 |
sigmavirus24 | er | 15:00 |
sigmavirus24 | whatever | 15:01 |
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TravT | im actually looking forward to good Saturday | 15:01 |
sigmavirus24 | Is Saturday Yesterday? | 15:01 |
sigmavirus24 | When can then be now? | 15:01 |
TravT | not soon enough | 15:01 |
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TravT | hey sjmc7_ | 15:01 |
sjmc7_ | hi | 15:01 |
sjmc7_ | sorry, having network issues | 15:01 |
TravT | isp? | 15:02 |
sjmc7_ | no, software. morning! | 15:02 |
sigmavirus24 | So, neutron? | 15:02 |
sjmc7_ | :) | 15:02 |
sigmavirus24 | neutron problems are unheard of =P | 15:02 |
TravT | Ok, agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
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TravT | please add any items you want to discuss to it | 15:03 |
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TravT | to start with, sigmavirus24, how did the glance meetup go? anything we should be aware of? | 15:03 |
sigmavirus24 | I was only able to make it on Tuesday for part of the day | 15:04 |
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* sigmavirus24 is not in Blacksburg | 15:04 | |
TravT | i wanted to join and listen in on a few things, but this week has been hectic | 15:04 |
sigmavirus24 | my week has been hectic as well | 15:04 |
sigmavirus24 | many a head of hair on fire | 15:04 |
TravT | well, i appreciate the reviews on that critical bug this week | 15:05 |
TravT | good to have glance images fully working | 15:05 |
TravT | #topic General Status Updates | 15:05 |
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TravT | just wanted to mention that the API WG has put out more guidelines for discussion | 15:05 |
TravT | Cross Project API Guidelines: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069765.html | 15:05 |
TravT | i am guilty of not reviewing them yet | 15:06 |
TravT | but if you can take a look and see if there is an impact we need to consider | 15:06 |
TravT | Also, I created a tinyurl for our review board. just wanted to share it | 15:06 |
TravT | #link http://tinyurl.com/searchlight-reviews | 15:07 |
TravT | sjmc7, want to say something about our session submssions for the summit? | 15:07 |
sjmc7_ | no, just that they're there :) | 15:07 |
* david-lyle wishes the horizon dashboard looked like that | 15:07 | |
TravT | lol david-lyle | 15:08 |
TravT | i do too | 15:08 |
TravT | so, if you can, consider voting on them as well. | 15:08 |
sigmavirus24 | or glance dashboard | 15:08 |
sigmavirus24 | then again, I use gertty so it wouldn't help me anyway =P | 15:08 |
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TravT | if anybody would like to co-present, we can do that as well. | 15:09 |
TravT | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/4507 | 15:09 |
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TravT | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/5289 | 15:09 |
TravT | #topic Notification Payload vs API for Glance (TravT, sjmc7) | 15:09 |
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sigmavirus24 | Didn't voting close yesterday or this morning? | 15:09 |
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TravT | hmm, guess I should have voted... | 15:10 |
david-lyle | then you might have to give the presentation | 15:10 |
david-lyle | there are risks | 15:10 |
TravT | i have a feeling lakshmiS didn't mean to drop out | 15:10 |
sigmavirus24 | lol | 15:10 |
sigmavirus24 | "Ping timeout" says no he didn't | 15:10 |
TravT | kind of need him in this next topic | 15:11 |
* TravT wonders where nikhil_k is, but sigmavirus24 will have to represent glance | 15:11 | |
sigmavirus24 | yeah, I'm apparently the new go to for questions about glance | 15:11 |
sigmavirus24 | I'll have to do | 15:11 |
TravT | so, the notification payload looks like v1 API. | 15:12 |
TravT | and we have to do mapping. | 15:12 |
TravT | and it doesn't include tags | 15:12 |
TravT | it is great to not have to make an API callback for efficiency reasons | 15:13 |
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sigmavirus24 | sure | 15:13 |
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TravT | let me copy past repeat for lakshmiS | 15:13 |
TravT | 09:12 TravT: so, the notification payload looks like v1 API. | 15:13 |
TravT | 09:12 TravT: and we have to do mapping. | 15:13 |
TravT | 09:12 TravT: and it doesn't include tags | 15:13 |
TravT | 09:13 TravT: it is great to not have to make an API callback for efficiency reasons | 15:13 |
TravT | But, I'm wondering if there is more data we're missing | 15:13 |
lakshmiS | had to reconnect<network issues...> | 15:13 |
TravT | and I'm particularly concerned about the lack of tags | 15:13 |
TravT | searching based on tags seems like something we'd particularly want to support | 15:14 |
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sjmc7_ | longer term it'd be best if everything was in the notifications, for efficiency. right now, i don't think we have much choice but to go to the API unfortunately | 15:14 |
sigmavirus24 | That's something I don't immediately know the answer to TravT | 15:14 |
TravT | but here's the problem i see also with the notifications. | 15:14 |
TravT | they are an API contract of their own. | 15:14 |
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TravT | the publisher doesn't know the consumer | 15:15 |
TravT | so, changing a notification is like breaking a contract. | 15:15 |
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TravT | with API, you can specify API version format at least. | 15:15 |
TravT | so, a couple of options (at least for Glance), are | 15:16 |
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TravT | 1) switch to go straight to API and not use payload | 15:16 |
TravT | 2) Get tags into payload | 15:16 |
sigmavirus24 | TravT: so additions to the payload would be a microversion bump | 15:16 |
sigmavirus24 | Right? | 15:16 |
lakshmiS | no microversions in glance i think | 15:16 |
sigmavirus24 | As long as we don't change existing members it should be "backwards compatible" | 15:16 |
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sigmavirus24 | lakshmiS: more of an analogy here | 15:17 |
TravT | 3) perhaps support a new notification for the searchlight_indexer topic that always has latest API results (i'm not sure this is very realistic) | 15:17 |
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sigmavirus24 | TravT: the question I have is "Is ceilometer okay with us sending extra information in our notifications or will it have a sad?" | 15:17 |
sigmavirus24 | TravT: that was an idea I had | 15:17 |
sigmavirus24 | Our notifications handlers could be intelligent about what it sends to what listener | 15:18 |
sigmavirus24 | This is kind of the benefit of the onion approach, right? | 15:18 |
TravT | i don't know about ceilometer's happiness with changes to existing | 15:18 |
sigmavirus24 | Right so there are things to be researched before Glance can update its notifications | 15:18 |
david-lyle | ping gordc and ask? | 15:18 |
sigmavirus24 | Also, one thing I'm pretty sure Glance won't consent to do is extra DB look ups just to add data to a notification | 15:19 |
david-lyle | in #openstack-ceilometer | 15:19 |
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sigmavirus24 | i.e., if what we currently have doesn't include tags, I doubt we'd do an extra database call to get that information for notification purposes | 15:19 |
TravT | sigmavirus24: oddly, that means a whole API callback will happen (if searchlight is deployed) | 15:20 |
TravT | maybe it could be configurable in glance? | 15:20 |
sigmavirus24 | Right | 15:20 |
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TravT | david-lyle: yeah, we should follow up there. | 15:20 |
sjmc7_ | i think at least for the next while (this cycle, maybe the next) we're stuck with what we have in notifications | 15:20 |
sjmc7_ | ultimately it would be best to have everything in there | 15:20 |
sigmavirus24 | The API callback will probably trigger a worse DB call but we'd have to make that obvious and the best way to argue for this would be a spec I think | 15:20 |
sjmc7_ | because throughput's really limited if we have to go to the API | 15:20 |
sigmavirus24 | sjmc7_: yeah, I get that | 15:20 |
lakshmiS | sigmavirus24: there's already db calls for notification but yeah it would be one more extra call | 15:21 |
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sigmavirus24 | Glance's DB is currently not well optimized and has more joins than nikhil_k likes iirc | 15:21 |
* TravT are any of the openstack DB's well optimized? | 15:21 | |
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TravT | well, i'm not sure we even have a BP or bug open on this topic | 15:22 |
TravT | but we should address the fact that we won't be indexing tags without some sort of change here | 15:22 |
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sigmavirus24 | Probably a bug in each of searchlight and glance (perhaps the same bug affecting both?) would be a helpful start | 15:23 |
lakshmiS | in interim, we can update the document for no tags | 15:23 |
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TravT | sigmavirus24, that makes sense. Easy way to track across | 15:23 |
sigmavirus24 | Yep. Also we should bring this up next week at the Glance Team Meeting | 15:23 |
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TravT | Ok, I can open the initial bug | 15:24 |
sigmavirus24 | mclaren, jokke_ and flaper87 will likely have some good insights into this too | 15:24 |
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sigmavirus24 | lakshmiS: yeah, I think people's reactions will be "it's easy to say, oh it's just one more" but we really don't want to slow glance down. We already have enough people complain about Glance's performance | 15:24 |
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TravT | sigmavirus24, i really wonder if it could be a flag | 15:25 |
TravT | config item | 15:25 |
TravT | so that way you only take the extra hit if it is needed, knowing it saves the follow-up call | 15:25 |
sjmc7_ | there's a similar problem in nova, fwiw | 15:26 |
TravT | yes, there will be similar across the board. | 15:26 |
TravT | but we'll deal with each individually | 15:26 |
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sigmavirus24 | right | 15:27 |
TravT | #action TravT open tag bug in Glance and Searchlight | 15:27 |
sigmavirus24 | So the flag would be whether or not searchlight is enabled basically | 15:27 |
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TravT | yeah, i think so. | 15:27 |
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sigmavirus24 | I think we all agree that a better db call on the notification side is better performance for the whole cloud than searchlight making yet another request against glance/every other service | 15:28 |
TravT | kinda hard to argue with that... :) | 15:28 |
lakshmiS | i agree | 15:28 |
sigmavirus24 | note "better" not "additional" ;P | 15:28 |
lakshmiS | :) | 15:29 |
TravT | although, i think we also know some services can take a long time to get any kind of changes in | 15:29 |
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sigmavirus24 | TravT: better start planning now for the N cycle | 15:29 |
sigmavirus24 | =P | 15:29 |
lakshmiS | direct db maynot be that bad in that case ;) | 15:29 |
TravT | lol | 15:29 |
sigmavirus24 | L and M are all but decided :D | 15:29 |
TravT | let's see, another API call or 2 years.... | 15:29 |
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sigmavirus24 | lakshmiS: yeah, searchlight should just directly access every service's DB directly =P | 15:30 |
sigmavirus24 | ok, I'm sorry for pulling us off track | 15:30 |
sigmavirus24 | let's continue | 15:30 |
TravT | no worries | 15:30 |
TravT | ok, moving on | 15:30 |
TravT | #topic Ceilometer / Notifications: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202392 | 15:30 |
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TravT | i think Lakshmi's fix looks good on our side | 15:30 |
lakshmiS | yeah start the workflow :) | 15:31 |
sjmc7_ | yep | 15:31 |
sigmavirus24 | so zuul is under heavy load | 15:31 |
sigmavirus24 | they've asked projects to hold off on approving things for a while | 15:32 |
TravT | oh, interesting | 15:32 |
TravT | what's been going on with zuul the last few days? | 15:32 |
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sigmavirus24 | http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ is really really really really backed up | 15:32 |
sigmavirus24 | TravT: disk space issues | 15:32 |
TravT | ok... | 15:33 |
TravT | i thought this was cloud... maybe zuul should burst out to AWS. | 15:33 |
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TravT | lakshmiS: have you had any further discussion on this with ceilometer. or is it final that we just use a different topic and no other changes needed? | 15:34 |
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lakshmiS | yeah that was final from their PTL and other core members from their weekly IRC meeting | 15:35 |
lakshmiS | i have the transcript saved with the decision | 15:35 |
TravT | ok, i guess you could post that into the bug notes (if you didn't already) | 15:35 |
lakshmiS | its in the comments on patchset. will update bug notes too | 15:35 |
TravT | #topic other bugs | 15:36 |
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TravT | We've got a few other open looking for owners | 15:36 |
TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:36 |
TravT | I saw a new one show up about the dev env docs. I'll look into that today | 15:36 |
TravT | but let's move on | 15:36 |
TravT | #topic BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/dont-expose-index-doctype | 15:37 |
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sjmc7_ | is this my badly named BP? | 15:37 |
TravT | sjmc7: | 15:37 |
sjmc7_ | it is! | 15:37 |
sjmc7_ | the reasoning is.. our API now exposes index_name and doc_type | 15:37 |
sjmc7_ | which means that they effectively cannot be configurable | 15:38 |
sjmc7_ | because then nobody will know what they are. so the proposal is to refer to a plugin by an unchangeable name (OS::Glance::Image) | 15:38 |
sjmc7_ | and map that internally | 15:38 |
lakshmiS | layer of indirection. sounds good to me | 15:38 |
sjmc7_ | index name and doc type won't necessarily be hidden, but not relied upon | 15:38 |
TravT | lakshmiS: and use the heat resource name | 15:39 |
lakshmiS | perfect | 15:39 |
sjmc7_ | i started on it yesterday - it's relatively simple to do the mapping on the two api endpoints (search and index) | 15:39 |
sjmc7_ | so unless there are objections i'll get a patch up over the next day or so | 15:39 |
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TravT | ok cool. | 15:40 |
sigmavirus24 | no objection here | 15:40 |
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TravT | #topic designate plugin question | 15:41 |
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TravT | whose is that? | 15:41 |
lakshmiS | me | 15:41 |
sjmc7_ | looks unrelated to the designate plugin per se - failure was indexing images | 15:41 |
TravT | there was a failure yesterday which merged | 15:41 |
TravT | but different error | 15:41 |
TravT | when is your devstack from? | 15:42 |
lakshmiS | failed numerous times setting up designate and one of the issue was devstack for searchlight | 15:42 |
TravT | I have not seen that error: publicURL endpoint for image service not found | 15:42 |
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TravT | my devstack is from Monday morning | 15:42 |
lakshmiS | was using the localrc from ekarlso | 15:42 |
lakshmiS | today morning(-8 hrs from now) | 15:42 |
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TravT | well, i used my own local.conf and just added ekarlso's stuff to it | 15:43 |
lakshmiS | i saw sjmc7_ install designate. | 15:43 |
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sjmc7_ | i did what now? yeah, i ran it a few days ago | 15:44 |
TravT | i could send that to you, but i didn't actually get to testing designate | 15:44 |
lakshmiS | TravT: so it installed searchlight with devstack successfully? | 15:44 |
TravT | yes | 15:44 |
TravT | and it worked for contacting glance | 15:44 |
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lakshmiS | TravT: ok maybe its some intermittent error then. will retry again | 15:45 |
TravT | i can kick off another devstack this morning | 15:45 |
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sjmc7_ | i do want to file a bug about running indexing within the stevedore setup (which you mentioned yesterday TravT) | 15:46 |
lakshmiS | Need to check if there is a test for devstack install | 15:46 |
sjmc7_ | it's hard to track down errors and it also means i think indexing can't be limited to a single plugin which would be useful for testing | 15:46 |
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TravT | sjmc7_ yeah | 15:46 |
lakshmiS | ekarlso: ? | 15:47 |
sjmc7_ | he's on vacation still | 15:47 |
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lakshmiS | will check with hime during his timezone | 15:47 |
sjmc7_ | european vacation time :) | 15:47 |
lakshmiS | s/hime/him | 15:47 |
TravT | lakshmiS: we'd also like to enable us to be able to call indexing for a particular resource type | 15:47 |
TravT | right now it tries to do all of them | 15:48 |
TravT | this is a growing pain of moving to being bigger than just glance. | 15:48 |
TravT | or put another way, indexing more than just glance | 15:48 |
sjmc7_ | i'll file a bug for it | 15:49 |
sjmc7_ | or a BP or something | 15:49 |
TravT | ok. | 15:49 |
TravT | #topic L2 tagging. | 15:49 |
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TravT | david-lyle ^ | 15:49 |
sjmc7_ | this crept up on us :) | 15:49 |
TravT | yeah, went too fast. | 15:49 |
david-lyle | that was just a time check for everyone :) | 15:50 |
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lakshmiS | forgot about that | 15:50 |
TravT | so, next week, we should perhaps do a serious review of what we are targeting for l3. | 15:51 |
sigmavirus24 | heh | 15:51 |
sigmavirus24 | yep | 15:51 |
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sigmavirus24 | see what's achievable etc. | 15:51 |
david-lyle | There is a self-service page for tagging releases, but we should coordinate with the Release Management team for L-3 | 15:51 |
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TravT | nova, images, designate from functionality. | 15:52 |
TravT | some of these other micro improvements probably less important. | 15:52 |
TravT | getting API and indexing right is more important | 15:52 |
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TravT | such as that resource mapping. | 15:52 |
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sjmc7_ | nudge nudge | 15:53 |
TravT | speaking of which sjmc7_: I spend time with the nova instance plugin yesterday. become friends with it, but ultimately had quite a few comments | 15:53 |
sjmc7_ | :) | 15:53 |
sjmc7_ | ok. be brutal, i can take it | 15:53 |
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TravT | lakshmiS: 09:53 TravT: speaking of which sjmc7_: I spend time with the nova instance plugin yesterday. become friends with it, but ultimately had quite a few comments | 15:54 |
TravT | lakshmiS: if you could also look over it, would be great. | 15:54 |
lakshmiS | yeah its on my review list:) will do | 15:55 |
david-lyle | wow check queue 671 deep | 15:55 |
TravT | ouch | 15:55 |
david-lyle | 7.5 hours out | 15:55 |
TravT | david-lyle: sjmc7_ and I have been talking about starting that cross resource page on horizon. | 15:55 |
TravT | for searching via searchlight. | 15:55 |
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sigmavirus24 | david-lyle: and I guarantee people will be ignoring Infra's requests | 15:56 |
david-lyle | sigmavirus24: I actually hadn't seen the request | 15:56 |
* david-lyle proactively hadn't done any reviews this morning yet | 15:56 | |
sigmavirus24 | david-lyle: they used openstackstatus to send messages to every channel that it is registered to notify | 15:56 |
david-lyle | right, might need a refresh for US morning | 15:56 |
TravT | sigmavirus24: i don't think searchlight gets those | 15:57 |
TravT | how do we sign up? | 15:57 |
TravT | something you know how to do? | 15:57 |
david-lyle | TravT: I can add it | 15:57 |
sigmavirus24 | yep | 15:57 |
sigmavirus24 | It's in project-config iirc | 15:57 |
david-lyle | or sigmavirus24 | 15:57 |
sigmavirus24 | or david-lyle can do it | 15:57 |
sigmavirus24 | lol | 15:57 |
TravT | david-lyle: +1 | 15:57 |
sigmavirus24 | hot potatoe | 15:57 |
sigmavirus24 | ;) | 15:57 |
TravT | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
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david-lyle | alright, I'll add | 15:57 |
TravT | might as well change the topic | 15:57 |
* sigmavirus24 misspells potato to rile people up who notice that | 15:58 | |
TravT | FYI, i'm out most of tomorrow. will check in briefly in the morning, but have to go out of town for friend's wedding | 15:58 |
david-lyle | you could be president | 15:58 |
lakshmiS | For glance midcyle meeting topic, do anyone know what time is Glance + Searchlight topic is today(time?) | 15:58 |
sjmc7_ | consider me duly riled | 15:58 |
david-lyle | we have low standards | 15:58 |
lakshmiS | never mind: its at 2.45-3.30: Session 5 - Glance + SearchLight | 15:59 |
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david-lyle | err VP | 15:59 |
TravT | can you send that to me lakshmiS? | 16:00 |
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lakshmiS | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-mid-cycle-meetup | 16:00 |
TravT | guess our time is up. | 16:00 |
TravT | let's chat re: meetup in room | 16:00 |
TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 16:00:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-30-15.00.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-30-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-30-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
david-lyle | Thanks TravT | 16:00 |
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odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 16:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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prometheanfire | o/ | 16:01 |
palendae | Here | 16:01 |
serverascode | o/ | 16:02 |
phalmos | yup | 16:02 |
stevelle | o/ | 16:02 |
d34dh0r53 | \o/ | 16:02 |
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dstanek | o/ too! | 16:02 |
evrardjp | hello there | 16:02 |
odyssey4me | howdy all, and welcome | 16:02 |
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miguelgrinberg | Hi | 16:03 |
odyssey4me | We have quite a lot to cover today, so we should get on with it. :) | 16:03 |
b3rnard0 | hello | 16:03 |
odyssey4me | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:03 |
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odyssey4me | action: VOTE: Voted on "Should we backort the new key distribution process?" Results are, Yes: 6 (cloudnull, 16:26:46) | 16:04 |
odyssey4me | as I recall, this was done | 16:04 |
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odyssey4me | ie ACTION: backport https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205008/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205056/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204996/ to kilo - someone (cloudnull, 16:27:25) | 16:04 |
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odyssey4me | yep, it's all merged into master and kilo | 16:05 |
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odyssey4me | carried actions: | 16:05 |
odyssey4me | ACTION: get a thread going on the mailing list surrounding issues with upgrading Kilo > Liberty - someone (cloudnull, 16:10:58) | 16:05 |
odyssey4me | can anyone volunteer to do this? | 16:06 |
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* sigmavirus24 will start writing the email no | 16:06 | |
sigmavirus24 | *now | 16:06 |
odyssey4me | thanks sigmavirus24 | 16:06 |
odyssey4me | #action get a thread going on the mailing list surrounding issues with upgrading Kilo > Liberty sigmavirus24 | 16:07 |
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odyssey4me | ACTION: add more hours to the day so sigmavirus24 can put together a POC for pip and epoch's (cloudnull, 16:07:08) | 16:07 |
sigmavirus24 | carry that | 16:07 |
odyssey4me | hahaha, have you found more hours yet? | 16:07 |
sigmavirus24 | But cloudnull and I have an idea | 16:07 |
sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: no I have not | 16:07 |
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odyssey4me | we could do with more of those | 16:07 |
odyssey4me | ok | 16:08 |
odyssey4me | #action sigmavirus24 and cloudnull to put together a POC for pip and epoch's | 16:08 |
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odyssey4me | does anyone mind if I skip Blueprints for now and move on to reviews? | 16:08 |
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stevelle | no objection | 16:09 |
evrardjp | same | 16:09 |
odyssey4me | right, thanks | 16:09 |
odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:%22Jesse+Pretorius%22+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment,n,z | 16:09 |
odyssey4me | those are outstanding reviews for the upcoming milestones for release tomorrow | 16:10 |
odyssey4me | unfortunately openstack-ci has been a bit broken this week, so we really need to try and get reviews done asap to maximise the chance of merging them | 16:10 |
odyssey4me | are there any missing from the list? | 16:10 |
odyssey4me | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.1.0 | 16:11 |
odyssey4me | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/10.1.11 | 16:11 |
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odyssey4me | considering those milestones, there are many patches that aren't yet 'in progress' - so can we select some that can slip to the next milestone please? | 16:11 |
odyssey4me | eg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1424705 for juno is still looking for a backport volunteer and I don't see it getting done today? agreed? | 16:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1424705 in openstack-ansible juno "tear apart the schedule for cron.daily/weeky/monthly " [Wishlist,Triaged] | 16:12 |
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odyssey4me | also https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1399383 for juno | 16:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1399383 in openstack-ansible juno "General SSL support for all public endpoints including spice" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 16:14 |
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odyssey4me | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1426371 for juno | 16:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1426371 in openstack-ansible trunk "keystone_admin: cannot bind socket" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Carter (kevin-carter) | 16:14 |
odyssey4me | and finally https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1453276 | 16:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1453276 in openstack-ansible trunk "Additional Swift middleware not loaded in proxy server" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Julian Montez (jpmontez) | 16:14 |
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odyssey4me | anything unassigned will shift to the next milestone - any objections? | 16:16 |
odyssey4me | palendae will you be able to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1472702 done today, or shall we shift it to the next milestone? | 16:17 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1472702 in openstack-ansible juno "Update elasticsearch and logstash to latest versions" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Nolan Brubaker (nolan-brubaker) | 16:17 |
palendae | odyssey4me: Shift to 10.1.12 | 16:17 |
evrardjp | no objection | 16:17 |
prometheanfire | ditto | 16:17 |
d34dh0r53 | +1 | 16:18 |
palendae | RPC, the main consumers of Juno at this point, have been informed that's where it's going anyway | 16:18 |
odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to move all unassigned juno bugs to the 10.1.12 milestone | 16:18 |
odyssey4me | ok, let's take a look at https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.1.0 | 16:18 |
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odyssey4me | any objections to moving the unassigned and incomplete bugs that are wishlist/low to the next milestone? | 16:20 |
odyssey4me | by incomplete I mean not yet in progress | 16:20 |
prometheanfire | no objection | 16:20 |
palendae | None | 16:21 |
d34dh0r53 | none | 16:21 |
odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to move all unassigned and not yet 'in-progress' kilo bugs to the 11.1.1 milestone | 16:21 |
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odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 I would guess that https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1479131 should move along to the next milestone too considering that it's an upstream bug? | 16:22 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1479131 in openstack-ansible trunk "Glance Cannot Be Configured to Make Swiftclient Authenticate Against Keystone v3" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ian Cordasco (icordasc) | 16:22 |
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sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: makes sense | 16:23 |
odyssey4me | ok, that covers most stuff - now back to the reviews in flight | 16:24 |
odyssey4me | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:%22Jesse+Pretorius%22+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment,n,z | 16:24 |
odyssey4me | those in the kilo branch are backports - d34dh0r53 palendae sigmavirus24 please check them briefly and vote accordingly | 16:24 |
sigmavirus24 | Reminder: infra is under 7.5 hour backlog | 16:25 |
sigmavirus24 | And they've asked people to not approve things if we can avoid it | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | https://review.openstack.org/181560 needs another vote | 16:26 |
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sigmavirus24 | so hold off on approving if you don't mind until tomorrow maybe when zuul isn't ready to croak | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | ok, then I think at least get the +2 done so that when the backlog is done we can +w? | 16:26 |
sigmavirus24 | Yeah | 16:26 |
d34dh0r53 | cool | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | non-cores, please review the patches and vote/comment - it helps the cores a lot when people do that | 16:27 |
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d34dh0r53 | +10000 | 16:27 |
odyssey4me | special note for some reviews which are a little more complex | 16:27 |
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odyssey4me | https://review.openstack.org/206575 is quite simple - it doesn't change defaults and just enables a horizon feature if horizon is pointed at a Keystone v3 endpoint | 16:28 |
sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: specifically when people comment with their vote | 16:29 |
sigmavirus24 | A +1 is useless to me if they don't state how they reviewed the patch | 16:29 |
odyssey4me | https://review.openstack.org/194474 is a bit complex, but it actually works - the previous Keystone SSL enablement was a bit broken... this also enables Keystone to be SSL even when there's an SSL offloader like haproxy too | 16:29 |
odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 ++ | 16:29 |
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odyssey4me | a comment stating whether you reviewed the style, checked the syntax, actually ran a test, etc is very, very handy to know | 16:29 |
d34dh0r53 | yes | 16:30 |
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miguelgrinberg | odyssey4me: have you tested the SSL patch combined with the SP? I have not | 16:30 |
evrardjp | note taken | 16:30 |
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odyssey4me | https://review.openstack.org/194395 is a key blueprint review which adds the capability to configure Keystone as a federation service provider - it does not change anything for anyone who doesn't want that functionality... so please don't be afraid to approve it even though it's a pretty big patch set | 16:31 |
odyssey4me | this is a key blueprint for 11.1.0 | 16:31 |
miguelgrinberg | odyssey4me: I tested this one it yesterday, both with SP enabled and disabled, no problems | 16:32 |
odyssey4me | https://review.openstack.org/195403 doesn't appear to work without further testing and figuring out - I move that this shifts to the next milestone? any objections? | 16:32 |
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d34dh0r53 | none | 16:34 |
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odyssey4me | another key review for the 11.1.0 blueprints is https://review.openstack.org/201136 | 16:36 |
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odyssey4me | it's a final patch to enable a global swift cluster | 16:36 |
odyssey4me | stevelle you've been testing this patch - does it change anything for anyone only building a normal swift cluster? | 16:36 |
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stevelle | no material changes to single-region builds | 16:37 |
stevelle | just have the setup and sync tasks split into two plays | 16:37 |
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stevelle | os-swift-install still runs everything | 16:37 |
odyssey4me | great, thanks - that's good to know | 16:38 |
odyssey4me | are there any questions from anyone regarding these reviews? | 16:39 |
odyssey4me | shall we give it 10 mins to look through them and vote? | 16:39 |
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b3rnard0 | well that's why you have these overlays like huboard/waffle.io | 16:44 |
b3rnard0 | n/m ^^ on the above wrong window | 16:44 |
odyssey4me | lol b3rnard0 | 16:44 |
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odyssey4me | any questions? | 16:44 |
sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: we're not requiring people to vote right this second, right? | 16:45 |
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odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 I was hoping that people would take the time, given the captive audience. :) | 16:45 |
odyssey4me | ok, no worries - those who can please do | 16:45 |
odyssey4me | we need to move on | 16:45 |
odyssey4me | we have three new bugs raised which are on the agenda | 16:46 |
odyssey4me | phalmos ready? | 16:46 |
phalmos | sure | 16:46 |
odyssey4me | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1479473 | 16:46 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1479473 in openstack-ansible "Need log_slave_update enabled" [Undecided,New] | 16:46 |
phalmos | This came up when needing to restore the cinder.volumes table | 16:46 |
odyssey4me | I don't know enough about how galera works to comment. d34dh0r53 ? | 16:47 |
phalmos | The the LB choosing where to write in the cluster, the Binary logs can be spread across all nodes | 16:47 |
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phalmos | enabling this means the slaves will also log to their binary logs | 16:47 |
odyssey4me | it makes sense to me and seems like a reasonable enhancement request | 16:47 |
d34dh0r53 | looking now | 16:48 |
odyssey4me | it also seems like a pretty easy fix - shall we class this a wishlist item and target for the next point release? | 16:48 |
odyssey4me | it won't guarantee that it gets done, but it will put it up for discussion and anyone can pick it up and submit a review | 16:48 |
sigmavirus24 | phalmos: what version are you using where you saw this? | 16:48 |
phalmos | 10.1.6 | 16:49 |
sigmavirus24 | so we'll need to backport this to juno and kilo odyssey4me | 16:49 |
sigmavirus24 | can you target the series appropriately? | 16:49 |
odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 yup, added the series now | 16:49 |
d34dh0r53 | I'm fine with this change, I think it will make recovery much easier, I've fixed two completely borked galera containers this week and I think this would have helped | 16:49 |
sigmavirus24 | d34dh0r53: I'm sorry for your loss | 16:50 |
odyssey4me | hahaha | 16:50 |
d34dh0r53 | lol | 16:50 |
sigmavirus24 | shall we have a moment of silence for those two containers? | 16:50 |
odyssey4me | ok, I think we'll leave it as 'new' so that we can discuss it in more detail in tuesday's meeting | 16:50 |
odyssey4me | we can triage it properly then | 16:50 |
odyssey4me | next one | 16:50 |
odyssey4me | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1479484 | 16:51 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1479484 in openstack-ansible "server_id missing in my.cnf" [Undecided,New] | 16:51 |
d34dh0r53 | sigmavirus24: send QE some scotch, they were their containers | 16:51 |
phalmos | This is required for replication | 16:51 |
phalmos | each node should have a unique ID in my.cnf | 16:51 |
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sigmavirus24 | phalmos: I bet you know more about galera now than you ever wanted | 16:51 |
odyssey4me | hmm, I know this is something needed in standard mysql replication but wasn't aware that MariaDB/Galera needed it | 16:51 |
phalmos | It became an issue when restoring | 16:52 |
evrardjp | sigmavirus24: hehe I hope he has fun ! | 16:52 |
odyssey4me | I take it this was in the same installation? | 16:52 |
phalmos | yes, we had to create a new instance of mysql | 16:52 |
phalmos | in order to import the backed up db | 16:52 |
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evrardjp | this is standard, I think we should have it | 16:52 |
odyssey4me | yeah, I think this should actually be classed as a bug - perhaps a medium bug? | 16:52 |
odyssey4me | any objections to that, or alternative suggestions? | 16:53 |
d34dh0r53 | nope, medium is good | 16:54 |
phalmos | none from me | 16:54 |
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odyssey4me | and finally | 16:54 |
odyssey4me | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1479486 | 16:54 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1479486 in openstack-ansible juno "Holland backup needs to backup localhost" [Undecided,New] | 16:54 |
phalmos | This goes with the binary logs | 16:54 |
odyssey4me | as I recall we don't carry holland in master/kilo so this is rightly marked as only juno | 16:54 |
phalmos | oh | 16:55 |
phalmos | what is doing the backup in Kilo? | 16:55 |
palendae | Correct. | 16:55 |
palendae | rpc-openstack installs Holland | 16:55 |
odyssey4me | that's up to the deployer, so for RPC that's in rpc-openstack in its own roles :) | 16:55 |
phalmos | roger | 16:55 |
odyssey4me | so I'll set this as wishlist along with the binary log thing - happy? | 16:55 |
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phalmos | sure | 16:56 |
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odyssey4me | alright - all happy - anything else? | 16:57 |
odyssey4me | we've got 5 mins for open discussion | 16:57 |
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sigmavirus24 | more like a minute by my count odyssey4me | 16:58 |
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evrardjp | for which release is ceph supported planned? The one for tomorrow or the next one? | 16:58 |
sigmavirus24 | just a thanks to phalmos for joining us | 16:58 |
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sigmavirus24 | evrardjp: probably not 11.1 (tomorrow) | 16:58 |
odyssey4me | alright, thank you all for your time | 16:58 |
sigmavirus24 | evrardjp: maybe 11.2 if enough people can give us good feedback on it | 16:58 |
phalmos | Anytime | 16:58 |
palendae | evrardjp: I'm guessing 11.2 | 16:58 |
odyssey4me | please remember to review! | 16:58 |
evrardjp | ok thanks everyone | 16:59 |
palendae | But like sigmavirus24, depends on how reviews go | 16:59 |
odyssey4me | discussions can continue in #openstack-ansible from now | 16:59 |
sigmavirus24 | still have 45 sc | 16:59 |
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sigmavirus24 | =P | 16:59 |
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b3rnard0 | thanks for running the show, odyssey4me! | 16:59 |
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odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 17:00:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 17:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
pcarver | hi | 17:00 |
vikram__ | hi | 17:00 |
Mohankumar_ | hi | 17:00 |
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Guest21030 | hi everyone | 17:00 |
LouisF | hi | 17:01 |
xgerman | o/ | 17:01 |
s3wong | hello | 17:01 |
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cathy_ | #topic update on the spec and codes | 17:02 |
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cathy_ | the Service Chain System Design and Flow spec has been posted for review. here is the link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207234/ | 17:02 |
cathy_ | The API and DB code files have been posted for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207251/ | 17:03 |
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cathy_ | The Port Chain Services codes have been posted for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207238/ | 17:04 |
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pcarver | How complicated is it to setup a dev and test environment? I'd like to pull the code into my lab so I can test as well as review on Gerrit | 17:04 |
pcarver | are there any significant dependencies outside of what's been posted to the review? | 17:04 |
cathy_ | Please everyone go through them and provide your comments. These are just the first patches and I believe there will be many iterations to incorporate comments | 17:05 |
LouisF | pcarver: the CLI client | 17:06 |
cathy_ | pcarver: it should not be complicated. you can write some testing script for the time now. We need to work on unit test codes and post them too. | 17:07 |
LouisF | Mohankumar_: what is the link to your patch? | 17:08 |
cathy_ | Also Mohankumar_ has written the CLI client codes and posted them for review. those codes can be used for the testing (maybe after some modificaiton) | 17:08 |
Mohankumar_ | https://review.openstack.org/200065 | 17:09 |
Mohankumar_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204963/ | 17:09 |
cathy_ | Mohankumar_: thanks. | 17:10 |
Mohankumar_ | this code requires some changes as per recent update on spec ..I'll post new patch tomorow | 17:10 |
Mohankumar_ | it better to pick that | 17:10 |
cathy_ | Mohankumar_: you may also double check the API codes to make sure the API and the client code are in sync in terms of syntax and parameter information | 17:11 |
Mohankumar_ | cathy_ sure | 17:12 |
cathy_ | Mohankumar_: thanks | 17:12 |
LouisF | Mohankumar_: looks like the CLI commands for the flow classifer is missing | 17:12 |
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Mohankumar_ | LouisF: yes ..i'll post tomorrow | 17:13 |
cathy_ | pcarver: so after Mohankumar_ posted the new patch, we should be able to use the client code to trigger the port chain API invokation | 17:13 |
LouisF | Mohankumar_: thanks | 17:13 |
pcarver | cathy_: great, thanks | 17:13 |
cathy_ | pcarver: sure. btw, you mentioned that you can post some OVS driver and OS agent code for supporting SFC, is that right? | 17:14 |
pcarver | cathy_: I personally can't, but I'm aware of a team in AT&T Labs that has received permission to open source a project they have developed. | 17:15 |
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pcarver | I don't know the exact timeframe. Last I heard they were cleaning it up (mostly improving the documentation I think) and getting it ready. The plan is to put it out on Github. | 17:16 |
pcarver | As soon as I hear anything I'll let you know. | 17:16 |
cathy_ | pcarver: so do you think they can post the codes to our project repo? I am trying to figure out who can help developing the OVS driver, OVS agent, and OVS codes. | 17:16 |
pcarver | It was originally developed for QoS but then added flow steering later | 17:16 |
vikram__ | cathy_: can we use same topic name for all the review patches | 17:18 |
pcarver | cathy_: I think it probably is best to let them complete their current plan to open source and then take a look at it. I can also pull people in to talk about it. | 17:18 |
vikram__ | cathy_: it will be easy to track for the reviewer | 17:18 |
cathy_ | s3wong: you once said you can help with the OVS driver, agent and OVS codes for supporting SFC. Would you like to take that piece? | 17:18 |
s3wong | cathy_: certainly | 17:18 |
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LouisF | vikram__: yes use networking-sfc | 17:19 |
cathy_ | pcarver: OK, that is good. Let us know when they can join and talk about it | 17:19 |
vikram__ | LouisF: For CLI patches it seems missing | 17:19 |
vikram__ | :-) | 17:19 |
s3wong | cathy_: I haven't looked deeply into LouisF and your patches... is the driver / plugin interface part of the patchset already? | 17:19 |
LouisF | s3wong: no | 17:19 |
LouisF | s3wong: we can work on the design | 17:20 |
s3wong | LouisF: OK. We can work on that together then | 17:20 |
cathy_ | s3wong: the OVS driver code is not in yet. The interfaces are there. | 17:20 |
cathy_ | currently it is only a dummy driver code | 17:21 |
s3wong | cathy_: OK --- that is the one I was asking | 17:21 |
s3wong | cathy_: the driver interface | 17:21 |
s3wong | cathy_, LouisF: so I can work off of that | 17:21 |
cathy_ | s3wong: the common driver manager codes are there already | 17:21 |
s3wong | cathy_: cool | 17:21 |
cathy_ | Thanks Stephen and Louis for taking up this work. I will help too. | 17:22 |
s3wong | cathy_: sure. glad to help | 17:22 |
cathy_ | vikram__: Mohankumar_ sorry that I was on the other topic. Now come to your question | 17:22 |
vikram__ | cathy_: Few suggestion I have.. 1. Use same topic.. 2. Make the patch as [WIP] if all the changes are not done | 17:23 |
cathy_ | vikram__: I agree that we should all use the same topic name for all reviews. | 17:23 |
vikram__ | all changes means -- code + unit test | 17:23 |
vikram__ | this way we can avoid untested code goes in | 17:24 |
cathy_ | Let's use network-sfc for all patches. OK with everyone? | 17:24 |
Mohankumar_ | cathy_ +1 | 17:24 |
cathy_ | sorry "networking-sfc" | 17:24 |
vikram__ | +1 | 17:24 |
s3wong | +1 | 17:25 |
Guest21030 | +1 | 17:25 |
LouisF | vikram__: yes mark as WIP | 17:25 |
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cathy_ | vikram__: sure I agree with you. We will not allow any code to merge until they are tested and unit test codes are in together. But let's allow some time for people to post the function code patches and then unit test code patches | 17:26 |
vikram__ | cathy_: if everyone agrees then i have no issues | 17:28 |
s3wong | marking code not ready to merge with (WIP) and workflow -1 is the customary way to signal to reviewers that the code isn't ready, but can solicit early review comments | 17:28 |
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LouisF | vikram__: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207238/ set to wip | 17:29 |
cathy_ | s3wong: yes. agree with you | 17:29 |
cathy_ | Any other topic you would like to discuss? | 17:31 |
vikram__ | cathy_: I got to go for dinner.. Sorry to leave early.. | 17:32 |
vikram__ | bye.. | 17:32 |
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cathy_ | If there are no other topic or issue to discuss in today's meeting, we can go and start review the new patches. A lot of review work to do:-) | 17:34 |
cathy_ | I will end the meeting now. OK with everyone? | 17:34 |
s3wong | +1 | 17:34 |
LouisF | +1 | 17:34 |
Mohankumar_ | +1 | 17:35 |
Guest21030 | +1 | 17:35 |
cathy_ | bye now. | 17:35 |
Guest21030 | bye | 17:35 |
cathy_ | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
LouisF | bye | 17:35 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 17:35:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:35 |
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