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| ativelkov | Courtesy artifacts-meeting reminder: nikhil, ativelkov, mfedosin, sigmavirus24, flaper87, kragniz, dshakhray | 14:00 |
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| kragniz | yo yo | 14:00 |
| ativelkov | #startmeeting glance-artifacts | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 27 14:01:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance-artifacts)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts' | 14:01 |
| ativelkov | Hope this is the right channel ) | 14:02 |
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| ativelkov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
| mfedosin_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| ativelkov | agenda is here | 14:03 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:03 |
| * kragniz lurks more | 14:03 | |
| ativelkov | So, the design for "unified v3 api" is ready | 14:04 |
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| ativelkov | I have a working prototype which is able to work with both artifacts and legacy v2 images as part of v3 API | 14:04 |
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| kragniz | awesome! | 14:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: have you run it past the API-WG yet? | 14:05 |
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| ativelkov | sigmavirus24: not yet. Not all the concerns from the original specs are addressed yet. | 14:05 |
| ativelkov | When I finish with them, will do that | 14:05 |
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| ativelkov | The current implementation for images is done as a simple wrapper of v2 controllers, thus it inherits all the current problems of v2, such as race conditions, ugly domain model etc. However, if we have the API stable, we may improve the implementation later | 14:07 |
| ativelkov | Will try to present what I've got at the upcoming mid-cycle summit. There is a session planned, yet I don't know the exact day and time | 14:08 |
| mfedosin_ | how you suppose to do dependencies between artifacts and images? | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | mfedosin_: yes, but just one way in this case | 14:08 |
| mfedosin_ | If they are located in different tables with different ids | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | mfedosin_: this becomes as dynamic reference in this case | 14:09 |
| ativelkov | i.e. an artifact depends on an artifact with type "image" and a specific id. It is up to the image plugin (which is not actually a plugin but a part of Glance) to handle this request. | 14:10 |
| mfedosin_ | should the users know the inner implementation of our db? | 14:10 |
| ativelkov | mfedosin_: nope, they don't care | 14:10 |
| mfedosin_ | I mean somewhere in api it shoul be stated that id-dependencies between artifacts and images are forbidden | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | It's just a different implementation. It could affect the performance, but currently the images don't have their own dependencies, and thus there are no transitive dependency chains | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | mfedosin_: nope, they are not forbidden | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | ID-dependency is just a custom case of more generic dependencies | 14:12 |
| ativelkov | in case of "new" artifact data-structure they can be optimized to fetch all transitives in a single request | 14:12 |
| ativelkov | in case of images (or other artifact types which define their own DB driver) such optimization is not possible, however the API itself remains valid. | 14:13 |
| mfedosin_ | but do you remember when we talked about amazon format (ami-ari-aki) you suggested to organize dependencies between these three images | 14:13 |
| ativelkov | mfedosin_: right, but v2 images do not have dependencies at all | 14:14 |
| mfedosin_ | so? | 14:14 |
| ativelkov | So currently images may not depend on anything | 14:14 |
| mfedosin_ | It's kind of forbidden for images, right? | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | Right | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | We may add dependencies in legacy DB structure later | 14:15 |
| mfedosin_ | yep | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | or modify new dependency table to allow working with images | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | or something else | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | it's an implementation detail and may be deferred for future | 14:16 |
| mfedosin_ | we need to think carefully how to implement the transtion | 14:16 |
| mfedosin_ | agree with you | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | Sure. What we are looking now for is an ability to "wrap" v2 with v3 code | 14:16 |
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| ativelkov | And we currently know how to do that | 14:17 |
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| mfedosin_ | with oslo.versionedobject, I gyuess | 14:17 |
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| ativelkov | mfedosin_: well, they are not directly imvolved | 14:18 |
| ativelkov | involved | 14:18 |
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| ativelkov | as v2 images don't use | 14:18 |
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| ativelkov | don't use it | 14:18 |
| ativelkov | but still, the base class for the plugin-type (I call it GlanceObject) will be o_vo.VersionedObject indeed | 14:19 |
| ativelkov | but it will not define any structure at all, leaving it up to the inheritors | 14:19 |
| mfedosin_ | hard to understand for the first time, but I think we are moving in the right direction | 14:19 |
| ativelkov | I'll give more details on the meetup | 14:19 |
| mfedosin_ | Will it be tomorrow? Afair... | 14:20 |
| ativelkov | it starts tomorros and lasts for 3 days | 14:20 |
| ativelkov | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-mid-cycle-meetup | 14:20 |
| ativelkov | this is the agenda | 14:21 |
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| ativelkov | There is a topic "Glance v3 + other APIs" - thanks to nikhil_k for putting it there | 14:21 |
| ativelkov | There is no actual timeslot allocated yet | 14:21 |
| ativelkov | so, if you want to participate, state your interest in that etherpad | 14:23 |
| ativelkov | and put your tz there, so they can pick a better schedule | 14:23 |
| mfedosin_ | for sure I will :) | 14:23 |
| ativelkov | as nikhil_k is ooo today, the actual time allocation will probably happen tomorrow | 14:24 |
| ativelkov | Any other questions? | 14:24 |
| mfedosin_ | please review 200000 :) I added some missing exceptions handlings there | 14:24 |
| ativelkov | I will, though it's not artifact's related :) ping people in #openstack-glance for more attention ) | 14:25 |
| mfedosin_ | And artifacts too | 14:25 |
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| mfedosin_ | there was my TODO to add them to 'upload' | 14:26 |
| mfedosin_ | And also I'm going on vacation next week for two weeks | 14:26 |
| mfedosin_ | so I'll not be able to participate these meetings | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | :( | 14:27 |
| mfedosin_ | but I will review code and make commits =P | 14:27 |
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| ativelkov | Yeah, that's what we usually do on vaction: code review and comits | 14:28 |
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| mfedosin_ | afaik, Alex will be in business trip all next week | 14:28 |
| ativelkov | Yup, but I'll still try to participate in Glance activities | 14:28 |
| ativelkov | so, if no other questions on artifacts, let's wrap up | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: one request: can you post what you have of the API spec/ | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | *? | 14:29 |
| * sigmavirus24 wants a head start on reviewing it | 14:29 | |
| ativelkov | sigmavirus24: I'll try finalizing that doc this week | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks | 14:30 |
| ativelkov | Thanks all | 14:30 |
| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 27 14:30:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts/2015/glance_artifacts.2015-07-27-14.01.html | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts/2015/glance_artifacts.2015-07-27-14.01.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts/2015/glance_artifacts.2015-07-27-14.01.log.html | 14:30 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: g'morning | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: Good Morning | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | time to get started | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 27 16:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Agenda (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:02 | |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Good morning everybody | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody like to add/change anything on agenda? | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | I moved our approved on the top of the wiki - you may have noticed | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | reminder about the Ironic mid-cycle coming up shortly | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: want to update us on your nova mid-cycle? | 16:04 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: so, we spoke briefly about my nova patches, the nova team still seems to think it isn't a problem, no real surprises there | 16:05 |
| jroll | I didn't however have time to hack on it there | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: good - as long as we have higher level understanding - cleaning up/fixing code should not be that big of deal - do you agree? | 16:06 |
| jroll | yes | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | cool - thanks | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | anybody has any announcement? | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | OK - lets move on then | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Specs under review | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Specs under review (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:07 | |
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| Sukhdev | I did not have anything to add here - does anybody have anything to share? | 16:07 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:08 | |
| lauramoore | thanks everyone for reviewing the patch last week to get the ironic-neutron spec merged in | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | lauramoore: you got 4 +2 - that is really cool :-):-) | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | anything on the patches? | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Testing | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Testing (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:10 | |
| Sukhdev | We did not get to talk much about testing last week | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | I was hoping this morning we can do some brain storming about the test strategy here | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | looks like amtoki is not here - he had some ideas about it - but, we ran out of time | 16:11 |
| jroll | so basically, I think what we need is an OVS ML2 thing, that behaves like a bare metal ML2 thing (e.g. requires switchport info etc) | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: I looked around - we do not have anything. We can create a simple ML2 driver for this | 16:12 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: yeah, that's what I figured | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: so, there are really two parts - | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | 1) to verify that the correct information gets passed/consumed between Ironic/Neutron | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | 2) to verify that the instance lands on correct network during the pre-boot and post-boot cycles (i.e. network flip) | 16:14 |
| jroll | right, so I think 1 will be covered by making the OVS thing require the right data | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | correct - | 16:15 |
| jroll | 2 can be covered by some ping checks, etc, maybe even make sure provisioning network is completely firewalled from tenant net | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | I am not sure if I understood correctly the firewall part - how does that help with the network flip logic | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | essentially, we want to make sure that server is attached to prov. network in the early stage and then latter flipped to tenant n/w and is able to ping | 16:18 |
| jroll | so | 16:18 |
| jroll | if the two networks are firewalled, and the control plane is in prov network | 16:18 |
| jroll | if the instance is deployed successfully, we'll know it started in prov network | 16:19 |
| jroll | if it pings from the tenant network after deployment, we'll know if flipped properly | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | Ah I see now - | 16:20 |
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| jroll | pretend like it's the real world :) | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | I think that works - | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | So, this is really a true functional test | 16:20 |
| jroll | yes | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | I do not believe we have anything in place that we could use to build this upon - unless somebody know | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | s/know/knows | 16:21 |
| jroll | I mean, we could build it on the current ironic functional jobs | 16:22 |
| jroll | configure that to use this new OVS thing, add the firewall | 16:22 |
| jroll | and I think it would be mostly done | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | I see | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | this would be a perfect topic for mid-cycle | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | anybody else wants to share their wisdom/ideas on this subject? | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | it is just jroll and I going on this - it would be cool to hear others too :-):-0 | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: I think this sounds like a good direction - | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | mitchjameson and I will look into the ML2 part | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | and then we can look at hooking up into the ironic functional job framwork | 16:27 |
| jroll | cool | 16:27 |
| jroll | we can chat more about it at the midcycle too | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | correct - that is why I made the comment that it will perfect topic for mid-cycle | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | shall we move on? | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Documentation | 16:29 |
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| jroll | probably not much to chat about here yet :) | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki is not here - he and I discussed the strategy about documenting it form the neutron side | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | he is not here to provide any update - | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | so, I will punt this to next week - | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | Overall, I think we are in good shape on this part | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | We will have to look into documenting it in the Ironic side - but, we can do that later | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | Anything on the documentation? | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | I wanted to ask everybody - if we are missing anything for Liberty delivery? | 16:31 |
| jroll | I think we're just missing hours in the day, mostly | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | ha ha - did you not know that Obama declared that an extra hour is added to every body's day :-):0 | 16:33 |
| jroll | hah | 16:33 |
| jroll | I need more than an extra hour :) | 16:33 |
| lauramoore | as FYI we are uploading some initial patches of the implementation today | 16:33 |
| lauramoore | they are still work in progress :) | 16:33 |
| jroll | anyway, I think we're in good shape, I'd like to get the nova code done ASAP because feature freezes etc | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | lauramoore: cool - thanks | 16:34 |
| jroll | lauramoore: link? | 16:34 |
| lauramoore | the ironic one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206132/ | 16:34 |
| lauramoore | the nova one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206135/ | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: correct - please keep feature freeze in mind - Neutron is very strict about it and I am sure Nova will be too | 16:34 |
| lauramoore | the CLI one: in process | 16:34 |
| lauramoore | still in testing but welcome to any early feedback since this is our first contributions | 16:35 |
| jroll | lauramoore: possible we could split the ironic patch up a bit? that's pretty large to review in one shot | 16:35 |
| lauramoore | yeah i thought you'd say that! | 16:35 |
| jroll | lauramoore: thinking a chain with DB, then objects, then RPC, then API | 16:35 |
| jroll | :) | 16:35 |
| lauramoore | will work on this over next couple of days and re-send any links | 16:36 |
| jroll | lots of tests, though, I like :D | 16:36 |
| lauramoore | well they are also WIP :) | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | lauramoore: Thanks for sharing this - looks like a great start | 16:36 |
| lauramoore | :jroll, thanks for this advice, will aim for that | 16:36 |
| jroll | lauramoore: and on the nova patch... we don't want nova to send the link info, right? | 16:37 |
| jroll | we want it to send bind_requested: False, and let ironic update the link info later | 16:37 |
| jroll | because we don't want to put the node on the tenant network until after the deployment | 16:37 |
| lauramoore | ah ok, i'll fix this and update | 16:39 |
| yhvh_ | python-ironicclient commit for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206144/ | 16:39 |
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| jroll | yhvh_: nice! | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | yhvh_: Thanks and welcome | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | yhvh_ and lauramoore: Thanks for sharing the links - we'll get on with the reviews and provide the feedback | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else? | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like we are done | 16:43 |
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| jroll | awesome | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: here I give you 17 minutes :-):-) | 16:43 |
| jroll | a wild armax appears | 16:43 |
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| jroll | armax: we were just finishing, anything you want to add? | 16:43 |
| jroll | or chat about | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | armax: we are wrapping up Ironic-Neutron integration meeting | 16:44 |
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| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:45 | |
| Sukhdev | I guess we are done - | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks folks joining - it was a great discussion. | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 27 16:45:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-07-27-16.01.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-07-27-16.01.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-07-27-16.01.log.html | 16:45 |
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| jroll | thanks Sukhdev :) | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: Thank you | 16:46 |
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