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| johnthetubaguy | jokke_: sorry, I can't make a meeting at that time on a wednesday, I am out my brass band practice, wanting to move logging forward, but I just don't have much time right now sadly | 09:36 |
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| jokke_ | johnthetubaguy: no worries ... there has been multiple requests to change that time anyways, so we setup poll for next week to see if we should have alternative timeslot ... everyone seems to be really busy on this cycle as well | 10:25 |
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| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk | 14:01 |
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| hemanthm | o/ | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:02 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| harshs | o/ | 14:02 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting glance | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 14:02:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:02 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:02 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:02 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | #info Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:03 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:03 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| nikhil_k | #info Mid-cycles | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | #info Glance mid-cycle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-mid-cycle-meetup | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | #info Other mid-cycles: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | Nova and Horizon are next week, those who plan to attend (or virtually attend) | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | #info Artifacts Sub-team meeting updates | 14:05 |
| Olena | o/ | 14:05 |
| ativelkov | oslo.version_objects commits on review | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | client's too | 14:06 |
| ativelkov | https://review.openstack.org/196041, https://review.openstack.org/196819 | 14:06 |
| ativelkov | commit adopting o.vo in glance - as well: https://review.openstack.org/198798 | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | jokke_, you said about experimental branch for the client | 14:07 |
| ativelkov | created a doc on V3 open issues: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-v3-open-issues | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | can you do that? | 14:07 |
| ativelkov | (still in progress of populating) | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: will you or will someone from rel-mgrs will be able to create the feature branch? | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | There is a good suggestion on refactong V3 code so it's images plugin may run kind-of-on-top-of Images v2 api, thus reusing the existing code | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | ++ | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | I'll summarize that suggestion in a separate message to the ML | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | I think it just needs to be proposed to the projects where our branches are defined ... I'll figure it out | 14:08 |
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| nikhil_k | thanks jokke_ | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | sounds like a plan, ativelkov | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | jokke_, thanks | 14:09 |
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| nikhil_k | #info Drivers' team meeting updates | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | #action jokke_ propose feature branch for python-glanceclient artifacts work | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | ouch sorry ;) | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: sorry :) | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | This week we prioritized the specs | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | A few of them look good and I was waiting to see if someone wants to give last minute feedback after today's meeting | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | else we will merge them today | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | whoaa :) | 14:11 |
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| mclaren | nikhil_k: which specs do you hope to merge? | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-07-14-14.01.html | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: point # c | 14:12 |
| mclaren | k, thanks | 14:12 |
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| malini | good morning! | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | And this one has code ready and almost agreed upon. The lastest changes from wayne can help it merge #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179674/ | 14:13 |
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| nikhil_k | I hope no one expects a pre-midcycle virtual meetup this time | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | This one is over 3 days so we can plan to schedule sessions to include people from various timezones over video conferencing | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | can we open parallel bug with that spec, stating that glanclient does not support the tag metadefs? :P | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | For the rest of the day, we will host whiteboardig and informal discussions (face to face time, basically) | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | preferably high priority | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | so we cab backport that to kilo glanceclient | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | /cab/can/ | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: Please feel free to and ask it to be added/amended to the spec. It makes sense | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | umm, that I doubt | 14:17 |
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| jokke_ | I know, I wish it was that easy :( | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | :/ | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | Moving on | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Should all API changes require a spec ? | 14:18 |
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| nikhil_k | Who proposed that? | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | looks like it was me | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | Not me, but that kind of grooves with the three reviews I added to today's agenda | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | but we have been talking about this a bit around | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | too many specs spoil the broth :) | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | so if we streamline our specs process that would aid the documentation and release work when we have clear indication that we have merged something that has changed our APIs | 14:20 |
| bunting | As someone now to glance, more specs would help very much, when trying to understand what is going on. | 14:20 |
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| jokke_ | I think that should be very much lite version of spec | 14:21 |
| bunting | Yeah, a even a lite version would make understanding come much quicker | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | and relating to that juis FYI how much I love specs I proposed talk to Tokyo summit with topic "Specs - Taking agility out of agile development" ;) | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | It may soon become a must have very soon the way I see it | 14:22 |
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| nikhil_k | can we add release cycles to that agility discussion? | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: the deadline was last night ;) | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | pun intented (irc can be hard) | 14:24 |
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| nikhil_k | API is gettig a very close attention from those who are pushing the interop capacities to OpenStack APIs | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | Having specs is only going to help | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | Agreed | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | yep ... I think changing the v2 api probably becomes next to impossible after nova starts consuming it | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | There are legitimate bugs in the behaviour of our API that we now can't fix because we're afraid of backwards incompatibility | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | so | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | Anyways, I had a very interesting discussion with John Garbutt on this topic yesterday. The way Nova specs is evolving seems to make sense from that(Nova) perspective. | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | we need specs, or we need v3 tomorrow =P | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: can you link to how they're evolving? | 14:26 |
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| jokke_ | so can we agree lite spec required for API changes regardless if it is "bug" fix or not? | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | #info Nova specs evolution: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 14:27 |
| malini | Lite specs works! Hate to interrupt, but our lite spec, discussed back in Vancouver is starving for some review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194868/ | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | #startvote do we require lite spec for API changes regardless if it is "bug" fix or not ? | 14:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: do we require lite spec for API changes regardless if it is "bug" fix or not ? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | #vote yes | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | #vote yes | 14:28 |
| lakshmiS | #vote yes | 14:28 |
| stevelle_ | #vote yes | 14:28 |
| hemanthm | #vote yes | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | #vote yes | 14:28 |
| mclaren | what is a lite spec? | 14:28 |
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| wayne__ | #vote no | 14:29 |
| kragniz | specs make the most sense for API changes, but we'd need to make sure these specs actually move forward | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | #action nikhil_k : define `light spec` in specs evolution documentation | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | #vote no | 14:29 |
| hemanthm | jokke_: do you have a spec up for proposing lite specs? :) | 14:29 |
| ativelkov | #vote yes | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: I was planning to propose a template for it if we pass the vote ;) | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: almost | 14:30 |
| malini | #vote yes | 14:30 |
| kragniz | why not make our speed of dealing with specs faster before we start mandating them for every api change? | 14:30 |
| bpoulos | #vote yes | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | do we need ApiImpact flag then? | 14:30 |
| wayne__ | kragniz: +1 | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | #endvote | 14:31 |
| openstack | Voted on "do we require lite spec for API changes regardless if it is "bug" fix or not ?" Results are | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: we do have an ApiImpact flag | 14:31 |
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| nikhil_k | That's for the API WG and related parties | 14:31 |
| malini | mfedosin +1 on APIimpact flag, docimpact | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | Doesn't mean we can't also use it. Plus having their attention isn't going to hurt | 14:32 |
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| mfedosin | sigmavirus24, maybe just link for 'lite' spec is enough? | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | Spec would be for everyone to keep track of the API changes and why/how | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | Unless we don't want their attention at all in which case, why do we keep asking for it? | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | looks like openstack does not know how to count. Yes: 9 No: 2 | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | nikhil_k: yeah, was good to chat, can I help with any context? | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks for the gist jokke_ | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | FWIW, Neutron is trying out a lite spec kind of thing, it might being a process worth copying? | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | I want to explain my concern. This patch changes api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200980/ | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | do we need a spec for it? | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | johnthetubaguy: Thanks for the feedback. We are just have a small discussion on when do specs make most sense. Please feel to chime in :) | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think that question is best answered after you get the code merged, and I am not totally joking... | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: I'm happy to revert that change if it really changes the behavior of our v1 Images API (which IMHO it does not) | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: that's a good pointer. I think we need to see if this is being validated at the API level. We can't make a change to v1 at this point | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | when you have a decision you need to record, mostly to make sure everyone is on the same page, specs work really well, when you need to just see the code to answer a question, you don't want a spec to make that decision | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: difference being does it change our api code or does it change our public api | 14:36 |
| mfedosin | jokke_, it does (see my comment), but very slightly | 14:36 |
| lakshmiS | i think spec will make the commiter think about all the things covered in the template specifically for api related changes and also act as document initially | 14:36 |
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| jokke_ | mfedosin: Jenkins agrees, did not merge ;) | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | lakshmiS: yeah, API changes are the only thing we require a spec for in Nova, be it a bug fix or a feature | 14:37 |
| malini | mfedosin -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200980/ does not change any API, no spec -- am I missing something, | 14:37 |
| mclaren | Specs have a reputation for slowing things down, in the case of API changes that actually may not be a bad thing | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | malini: read the review comments ... there is pretty valid statement it actually changing the v1 API | 14:38 |
| mfedosin | malini, before if we put is_public='on' it returned None, but with this patch it becomes True. | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | mclaren: +1 it sounds terrible like that, but you really need to sit back and think about the problems the change can cause | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: good catch | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | I think we have had some issue with the DB migration / schema changes in Glance | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | Some deployments had corruption of data with changes merged in without much context where a spec would be have been really benefitial | 14:39 |
| mclaren | to give a concrete example (a bug fix) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199104 this is the kind of thing we'd define a mini-spec for? | 14:41 |
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| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: I'd say yes | 14:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: that's the kind of thing that's mildly backwards incompatible | 14:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think 200980 is mildly backwards incompatible too but in a different way | 14:42 |
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| jokke_ | in that context ... and specifically this mentioned change ... could we please stop doing changes like this just "because oslo" for the bits of the code we have agreed that we fix only criticals as we try to deprecate it | 14:43 |
| mclaren | the specs would then act as reference for similar future changes, like common law | 14:43 |
| wxy_ | ' | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | I think this is good example of doing "totally harmless" change in benefit of using someone elses reinvented wheel and by that causing a change to API we try to deprecate | 14:43 |
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| nikhil_k | Ok, we need to move on for now. | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reviews, Bugs and Releases | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/199378 | 14:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | That was me | 14:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | This ties in with our micro specs discussion | 14:47 |
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| sigmavirus24 | That's a tiny change that corrects the behaviour of the API | 14:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | And yes, the behaviour they're suggesting is correct. | 14:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | That said, it will mean a change in the behaviour which (while again, no one should be relying on it) will be somewhat backwards incompatible | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | umm, I doubt if this needs to throw a NotFound | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | the image exists, data doesn' | 14:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: this is specifically for download | 14:49 |
| mclaren | Does anyone know what other projects do about this kind of change? As far as I know swift are ultra conservative, but I'm not sure about others, or if there are guidelines anywhere | 14:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: the API WG hasn't written guidelines for making changes like this | 14:50 |
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| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: personally I think that should be their top priority then ;) | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | We've discussed it but frequently punted on it to define actual api behavour instead of development behaviour | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: hmm, I see the file bit is NotFound :/ | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: the wg has different goals that are focused on api behaviour more than development of APIs | 14:50 |
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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: yeah if you can't find the image data to download, 404 is the least objectionable error code here | 14:51 |
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| nikhil_k | But it's confusing given we define that a image not in active status doesn't have image data | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: maybe it should be defcores priority then as they are driving ultra concervatism towards stable apis | 14:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: or just an openstack-spec | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | and current behavior is that we return 204, which IMO is correct. The image exists, it does not have content | 14:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | perhaps written by defcore members, but put in place for openstack | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199104/ | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | trying to move faster in the interest of time | 14:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | that one is a review by bunting | 14:53 |
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| mclaren | nova have microversions so I guess you can just bump the version if you fix one of these -- a user can still supply the old version in their request header to continue getting unchanged behaviour (in principle) | 14:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: and I seem to agree that people probably aren't relying on this, but we'll need an API version bump | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | ok, tl;dr will this affect only update? | 14:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm not sure if we want to do that | 14:54 |
| malini | But no decision was made on https://review.openstack.org/199378 !! | 14:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | malini: we don't need to make decisions here | 14:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | Just bring the reviews to people's attention | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | I think we have been trying to bump up the v2 versions when we see changes like these | 14:55 |
| malini | sigmavirus24 -- :-) my first glance IRC meeting, thank you! | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195820/ | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | I looked at that one last week but forgot to comment :/ (while in the middle of a meeting) | 14:56 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: yes, but my understanding is that in glance the version is just informational, whereas in nova you can send the old version in a header to get 'guaranteed' unchanged behaviour | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: I think we may soon have to move towards that. Once we know more from the DefCore team in the late july. | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | yes, we just inform that we have different api versions, they do not make it backwards compatible | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | We just need to agree on a stable API and then establish a pattern for micro=version upgrades for the following years | 14:57 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: ok, interesting. I wonder if that's a big amount of work... | 14:58 |
| * nikhil_k shrugs | 14:58 | |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: that last link is more of a "I'd like more people to look at this" | 14:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | That looks like an important change that wayne__ needs to move through for metadefs to function appropriately and so far, very few people are reviewing it | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | wayne__: do we have other options than change that? | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks sigmavirus24 , it would be nice to get diverse reviews on that on specifically | 14:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: do you have suggestions for how to fix database problems other than with a migration? | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | I agree that models should have been changes, so shoud have been for images+image-members | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | so +2 from me on that proposal | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | changed* | 15:00 |
| wayne__ | jokke_: change the need for unique constraints? | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: I do not do databases, that's why I asked ... because if we do not have other options, then I'm in favor to do it now rather than later ;) | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, we can roll over a couple of mins | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | As I am chairing the next meeting :P | 15:00 |
| lakshmiS | :) | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | #info python-glanceclient release 0.17.2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202559/ && https://review.openstack.org/202564 | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: was that you? | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | yes | 15:01 |
| jokke_ | the release management team is working with nifty way to do lib releases | 15:01 |
| * nikhil_k like | 15:01 | |
| wayne__ | I don't know any other way to do it that would ensure the uniqueness of the data. | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: what's news on glance_store release 0.7.0 ? | 15:01 |
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| jokke_ | there is new repo where the releases are yaml docs, you request a new release by changing the correlated file with new version number and change id you'd like to tag | 15:02 |
| kragniz | haypo's been asking for a new release for a while | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | I guess you and haypo have the answer above | 15:02 |
| kragniz | anyone have any problems with releasing what's currently in head? | 15:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | we're over time | 15:02 |
| jokke_ | wayne__: fair enough ... as said in that case I'm in favor without understanding the details what's going on at that change ;) | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: thanks for pointing that out. | 15:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | let's move to #openstack-glance | 15:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | #openstack-searchlight is supposed to be meeting now | 15:03 |
| jokke_ | yeah ... thanks all | 15:03 |
| kragniz | thanks | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all for joining | 15:03 |
| mfedosin | thanks | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 15:03:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-07-16-14.02.html | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-07-16-14.02.txt | 15:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-07-16-14.02.log.html | 15:03 |
| wayne__ | I hope other's will at least test with glance-manage db_upgrade 42 | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 15:03:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:03 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic roll call and agenda | 15:03 |
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| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | o/ | 15:04 |
| kragniz | o/ | 15:04 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:04 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Updates | 15:05 |
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| nikhil_k | The webinar video that describes plans for liberty and accomplishments for kilo is out on the openstack foundation you tube channel. | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | ah yes, travis mentioned that | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | #info Horizon mid-cycle next week https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | #info Nova mid-cycle next week: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | i'll be in FC for the horizon one | 15:07 |
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| sjmc7 | one of the agenda items is to add some support for SL to horizon | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: I was earlier planning to travel however, things have not permitted to do so. | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | ah, that's a shame | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | Cool | 15:08 |
| lakshmiS | sjmc7: would be great to see Horizon use SL | 15:08 |
| david-lyle | ./ | 15:08 |
| * david-lyle apparently has long arms today | 15:08 | |
| nikhil_k | Can we plan to collaborate on video next week partially and depending on the schedule we can keep a brainstorming session on searchlight for glance and nova related things during the glance mid-cycle ? | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | yeah | 15:09 |
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| sjmc7 | travis' schedule is the one to workaround since he's heavily involved in horizon too | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | but yeah, we can find some time | 15:09 |
| nikhil_k | glance one spreads over 3 days and we should have enough time to schedule different events while accomodating timezone | 15:10 |
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| sjmc7 | ok. i'm in FC tuesday through friday | 15:10 |
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| nikhil_k | david-lyle: I guess we will have to wait on Travis for the remote conn details? | 15:11 |
| david-lyle | nikhil_k: they are still in flux | 15:11 |
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| david-lyle | probably vidyo based | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | sounds good | 15:12 |
| lakshmiS | david-lyle: that sounds good | 15:12 |
| lakshmiS | david-lyle: is there a link on timings somewhere? | 15:12 |
| david-lyle | lakshmiS: yes :) | 15:12 |
| david-lyle | let me locate | 15:12 |
| david-lyle | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0eI6SPCA2IrOyHiEYC2uDO3fbYGzahZRUQSva0UD3Y/edit#gid=1788841692 | 15:12 |
| lakshmiS | thx | 15:12 |
| david-lyle | most of the time is meant as more of a sprint, but there are a few topics lined up | 15:13 |
| nikhil_k | david-lyle: objects to putting that on the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints ? | 15:13 |
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| david-lyle | I think it bounces through the etherpad version | 15:13 |
| david-lyle | but I can check | 15:13 |
| nikhil_k | Possible Short Hike / Dinner sounds interesting | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | I was planning one for Glance too | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | we can do that remotely :) | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | ha :) | 15:14 |
| david-lyle | I guess I never completed the wiring | 15:14 |
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| lakshmiS | well travis took us on a supposedly short hike which was enough for us :) | 15:15 |
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| nikhil_k | :) | 15:15 |
| nikhil_k | Also, this basically covers the next topic "Cross Project Updates (nikhil_k, david-lyle?)" | 15:15 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Bug review | 15:16 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:16 |
| lakshmiS | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202392 | 15:16 |
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| lakshmiS | I have tested the change in searchlight which works well. | 15:16 |
| * david-lyle has a working sprint link now | 15:17 | |
| lakshmiS | and also made changes to ceilometer to introduce a pool name | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | lakshmiS - i asked on the review, but what's the effect if ceilometer doesn't also add a pool name? | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | thanks david-lyle ! | 15:17 |
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| nikhil_k | lakshmiS: is the review to ceilometer merged? | 15:17 |
| lakshmiS | sjmc7: without a pool name it defaults to some "default" name | 15:17 |
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| lakshmiS | ceilometer team hasn't responded. there is a weekly IRC meeting going on right now where I will be disussing that topic | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | so your proposed change will still work because there'll be two pools? i'm not familiar with oslo.messaging at all | 15:18 |
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| lakshmiS | on #openstack-meeting | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | I think it would be nice to add a Depends On: <Change Id> tag to commit message | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | i can also put you in touch with HP's ceilometer folks if that'd be helpful | 15:18 |
| lakshmiS | any help is appreciated | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i'll email you after this | 15:19 |
| lakshmiS | i am waiting for the open questions session to discuss it right now on #openstack-meeting | 15:19 |
| lakshmiS | will update after this meeting | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks lakshmiS | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: I think we stalled on the discussion on this bug last week #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1471878 | 15:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471878 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Service client auth in listener" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Steve McLellan (sjmc7) | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | yeah.. i put a review up to address the problem for now | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | forgot if you had a proposed patch or were we discussing the possible approach | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | there's a BP to discuss better long term solutions | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/openstack-client-usage | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | cool! | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Blueprint review | 15:23 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/devstack-plugin | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | I guess we are waiting on some updates here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197885/ | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | the base support is merged; that patch is for keystone v3 | 15:24 |
| nikhil_k | Does anyone have objections to cut a release without keystone v3 support? | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | no, unless we'd be the only ones | 15:26 |
| lakshmiS | does glance support it? | 15:26 |
| david-lyle | I think that's fine for now | 15:27 |
| nikhil_k | I think the patches for keytsone v3 to client are pending review | 15:27 |
| * nikhil_k needs to check | 15:27 | |
| sjmc7 | well, we don't have a client :) | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | i'll try and review the devstack patch today or tomorrow | 15:28 |
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| nikhil_k | Sorry the comment was about glance client | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | and I am not too familiar with keystone v3 updates to devstack for glance | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/designate-plugin | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | I think this just needs some review attention | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | endre's had a patch up since last week. it looks really close now, although i don't have designate running to test it | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | looks like comments have been addressed | 15:31 |
| * nikhil_k neither | 15:31 | |
| david-lyle | what's the access model in that patch? it doesn't seem to be gated on anything | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | which one, david-lyle? | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | sorry, designate | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | just glancing at it | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | you mean RBAC? | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | is this only population | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | yes, I was referring to RBAC | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | get_rbac_filter in the XYZIndex classes provides rbac filtering | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | we "and" that with whatever the query is | 15:33 |
| lakshmiS | Will be reviewing the RBAC stuff tomorrow on that | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | wasn't part of the goal, the plugin providing it's own RBAC? | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, the plugin does | 15:34 |
| lakshmiS | yes | 15:34 |
| lakshmiS | thats how other plugins are too | 15:34 |
| lakshmiS | since it specific to each plugin | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | i'm confused :) | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | ok, I see it now | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | my fault, I overlooked the method | 15:35 |
| lakshmiS | plugin model only intercepts but takes the rbac queries from plugin | 15:35 |
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| david-lyle | but it just allows global access | 15:35 |
| david-lyle | I'll dig in off line | 15:35 |
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| sjmc7 | :) | 15:35 |
| lakshmiS | it has term filter on "project_id" | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | ask in the SL channel once you've had a second look. we may well have overlooked something | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/plugin-config-options | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | I think it makes sense | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | i don't think there's been much movement on that one. i'm in favor of it | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | if only to allow e.g. notification topic parameters | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | ekarlso, did you get anywhere with it? | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:37 |
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| nikhil_k | He was not around earlier (at least) | 15:38 |
| nikhil_k | so, we can chat with him offline | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | ok. there are some oddities around the oslo.config/stevedore load order i think | 15:38 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: for the separate sections of configs? | 15:39 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. but donwe 't need to discuss it here | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | we don't | 15:40 |
| nikhil_k | ok, thanks | 15:40 |
| nikhil_k | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/nova-instances-plugin | 15:40 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks for putting that review up sjmc7 | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | i put a review up that replicates the summit demo functionality | 15:40 |
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| nikhil_k | I had a interesting discussion with Nova PTL on this yday | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | uh oh :) | 15:40 |
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| lakshmiS | and.. | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | well not on the review to say | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | he was suggesting that we should index only via the API | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | and not touch the DB | 15:41 |
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| nikhil_k | but it really depends on what we want to do | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | we are | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | only using the API | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | hmm, I missed the review completely :/ | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | direct database access was something we ruled out for various reasons | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | because I was thinking about other database tables | 15:43 |
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| nikhil_k | I think we have potentially contradictory cases for metadefs and instances | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | instances are more dynamic and senstive on the DB front | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | that's a shame :) | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | whereas metadefs are potentially static entries | 15:44 |
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| sjmc7 | right | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | so a DB direct index on metadef would be really helpful even for images in some cases while for instances it would hurt more than help | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | anything we can't get from the API and/or notifications is going to be tough to work with | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | The pitfall is that notifications and admin api can have more info | 15:45 |
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| nikhil_k | whereas the tenant specfic api is going to be rather restrictive | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | well, SL is an admin | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | it's not authing as an ordinary user | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | the query won't be though | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | no. so we'll need to restrict fields | 15:46 |
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| sjmc7 | if there are specific examples then note them on the BP or review; i don't know enough to address this | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | thanks, I will try to recollect examples. | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | on another note, I haven't followed up much on metadef indexing but was hoping to have direct db access for that | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | calls to glance api would be pretty expensive for re-indexing | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | ok. we need to discuss that. direct DB access is not ideal from a deployment and functionality perspective | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | and it won't need much restrictions on fields | 15:50 |
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| nikhil_k | (hopefully unless the cloud deployment is supre complicated) | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | Moving on for now | 15:51 |
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| nikhil_k | Do we want to cover all the specs? | 15:51 |
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| nikhil_k | oops, I meant BPs | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | still want to discuss openstack-client-usage but not necessarily here | 15:52 |
| lakshmiS | I added a new BP for named queries | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | since there's no decision on it | 15:52 |
| nikhil_k | cool, we can discuss some of these on #openstack-searchlight | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | lakshmiS: do you have something on the named queries for today? | 15:53 |
| lakshmiS | i have been worknig on the code without a BP :) so added a BP today. | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:54 |
| lakshmiS | essentially its meant to save useful queries as named queries. | 15:54 |
| lakshmiS | would need help from glance/horizo to know what are usef queries though? | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | talk to TravT when he's back since he's doing some horizon integration work | 15:55 |
| lakshmiS | sure sjmc7: | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | #info Liberty 2 Release plan | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | I guess we should wait unitl the Nova plugin is merged | 15:56 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, i think so | 15:56 |
| sjmc7 | whens the deadline? | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | are there any more blockers people know of? | 15:56 |
| sjmc7 | no | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | L-2 July 30th | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | ok. we can aim for that | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | #info Summit speaking proposals - anyone interested in being added as copresenters? | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | was that you sjmc7 ? | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | this was me | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | travis and i filed a couple of proposals - one similar to what we presented to glance and horizon, at a higher product level | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | and one at a more technical level about how data gets in and out of e-s | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | for developers | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | i don't have links yet but if anyone's interested in being named as a co-speaker let me or travis know | 15:58 |
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| sjmc7 | if we don't get either we'll try and get some working session time, although not sure about travel budgets | 15:59 |
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| nikhil_k | sounds good | 16:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #action all: Code reviews, particularly for Endre's designate plugin and Steve's WIP nova support | 16:00 |
| sjmc7 | yes please! | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all for joining, have a nice rest of the day/evening! | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| lakshmiS | update on ceilometer notifications: chatted with ceilometer team and they seemed to be opposing using pools since they had previous issues with missing notifications. their suggestion is to configure glance to send to multiple topcis as the stacktach project does. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 16:00:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-16-15.03.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-16-15.03.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-16-15.03.log.html | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | oops, sorry lakshmiS | 16:00 |
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| lakshmiS | np: will discuss on #openstack-searchlight | 16:01 |
| nikhil_k | awesome | 16:01 |
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| cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 16:02:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | hello everyone | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 16:03 |
| jwagner | \o | 16:03 |
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| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:03 |
| prometheanfire | \o | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:03 |
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| serverascode | o/ | 16:04 |
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| stevelle | o/ | 16:04 |
| andymccr | o/ | 16:04 |
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| hughsaunders | lo | 16:04 |
| palendae | Hi | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | so i guess we're all here. | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | Anddddd endmeeting | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:06 |
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| cloudnull | we only had the one - test upgrading from kilo to liberty (master) | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | palendae: i think that you gave this a go | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | and we found that the not having an epoch in the version number for liberty was causing problems. | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | cc sigmavirus24 | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | so | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think I figured out a way to work around that | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | But I have yet to put together a POC | 16:07 |
| palendae | cloudnull: I did juno to master, but yes | 16:07 |
| palendae | I'd assume any upgrade where master is the end target would happen, though | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Basically the plan I have is that if we just change the wheel names, pip will work with the upgrade from kilo to liberty | 16:08 |
| palendae | And *technically* we don't support Juno straight to Liberty | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Then we purge the kilo versions and change the liberty wheel names if we want to keep them around | 16:08 |
| palendae | Cause our unspoken rule was upgrades should go ((current + 1) + 1) | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | The versions of the servers will be X.0.0 and so upgrading without epochs from there will be fine | 16:08 |
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| sigmavirus24 | But we can't keep around legacy (read Kilo) packages | 16:09 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Basically upgrading kilo to liberty will be a nightmare because the release team cares more about aesthetics | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | which sucks. | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | They've made it clear at this point they will not deal with the problems they've caused so I'm not going to expend more energy on a mailing list discussion that isn't going to progress. Even if they misrepresent how installs actually work from people doing production source-based installs | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | if we have oppinions about this, which i think we do please contribute to the conversation here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069556.html | 16:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sigmavirus24: tell us how you really feel? | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | so we'll need to carry an action item to figure our a fix for that moving forward. | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: I just need to find time to put together a POC | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | The one off upgrades will be a nightmare for in-place upgrades | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | #action add more hours to the day so sigmavirus24 can put together a POC | 16:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | And just for kilo->liberty | 16:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | Appreciated | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | lol | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | #topic Blueprints | 16:13 |
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| cloudnull | there are a few more specs online https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment-specs,n,z | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | they all need reviews. | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | specifically https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194255/ | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | which i think is not far off from the work that has been going into upstream for better Keystone support. | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/keystone-sp-adfs-idp | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/keystone-federation | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: miguelgrinberg hughsaunders how are things going on all that | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | not doing too badly - some work is still ongoing for the keystone IdP | 16:17 |
| miguelgrinberg | the SP is looking pretty good, IdP needs a day or two more | 16:17 |
| hughsaunders | cloudnull: nearly there, just testing the playbook modifications at the moment | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | the Keystone SP is largely done - we have a tested configuration working for TestShib (a public test IdP) | 16:17 |
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| odyssey4me | I'm busy validating the ADFS use-case and have discovered a lovely issue when doing SSL offloading, which is obviously a production related thing | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | anyway, I'm not giving up yet | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | i changed the keystone-deferation in LP to good progress. | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | *federation | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | anything that we want to touch on in terms of specs / bps ? | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | anything that needs a spec / bp that we're not already working that we think we should be ? | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | cc BjoernT ^ | 16:20 |
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| BjoernT | ?? are talking still over federation? | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | [11:19] <cloudnull> anything that we want to touch on in terms of specs / bps ? | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | [11:19] <cloudnull> anything that needs a spec / bp that we're not already working that we think we should be ? | 16:21 |
| BjoernT | nope | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | okiedokie. | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:21 |
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| cloudnull | #startvote Can/should we re-enable the successerator w/ 1 retry for Master / Kilo? | 16:22 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Can/should we re-enable the successerator w/ 1 retry for Master / Kilo? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 16:22 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | this is around our gating issues . | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | we presently set the successerator to 0/1 for master kilo | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | should we re-enable it ? | 16:22 |
| stevelle | is this the original successerator? | 16:23 |
| jwagner | sorry if i am out of the loop, but why was it lowered? | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | most of the issues inflight have been seen as transient except in the case of HPB4. | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | stevelle: yup | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | its still there. | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | just with retries set to 0 | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | git-harry hughsaunders ^ | 16:23 |
| andymccr | hm | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | hm | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | #vote yes | 16:24 |
| hughsaunders | #vote yes | 16:24 |
| stevelle | #vote yes | 16:24 |
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| cloudnull | that said we can rip it back out once ansible v2 drops and we get it baked in | 16:24 |
| andymccr | in theory we should address the issues if possible, but im guessing that isnt the case | 16:24 |
| andymccr | so | 16:24 |
| andymccr | #vote yes | 16:24 |
| andymccr | ahh yeh treu | 16:24 |
| andymccr | true | 16:24 |
| andymccr | lets set that as an aim | 16:24 |
| palendae | #vote yes | 16:24 |
| palendae | On the provision that we do the v2 rip out and such | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, happy to do it to see if it helps and until ansible v2 drops | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | #vote yes | 16:25 |
| prometheanfire | #vote yes | 16:25 |
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| cloudnull | #endvote | 16:26 |
| openstack | Voted on "Can/should we re-enable the successerator w/ 1 retry for Master / Kilo?" Results are | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | next: How should we handle the change in OpenStack package version numbers? odyssey4me | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | cc sigmavirus24 | 16:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | You mean in liberty? | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | i guess we already covered this, | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | yes | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | i assume odyssey4me ? | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | lol, personally I think this is best handled as a once-off... if we perpetuate the model we're going to have to live with it for ever | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah leave the actual python package metadata alone, muck with the filenames since that's what pip checks for upgrades/installs | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: read upwards, that's what I'm suggesting | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think there's a way to do it, but that one-off will be painful no matter waht | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-June/007390.html | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks ReleaseMGMTTeam | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | #link http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0440/#version-epochs | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | and what's the issue with doing a kilo->liberty reboot of packages? | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | ie remove then install again for hosts, and kill containers and rebuild | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | (or something to that effect) | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | Are in-place upgrades no longer wanted? | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | I thought that was a bit of a goal/feature we had going | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | we want in-place upgrades for sure. | 16:29 |
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| odyssey4me | I'm just saying that containers can be replaced easily. If we stage it right, it'll even be without downtime. | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | And packages too - we could even try a force 'downgrade' as an approach. | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | i think that we need to spike on how to best deal with these changes moving forward. | 16:31 |
| andymccr | agree with that | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | I just don't see the point of introducing some arbitrary prefix to packages. | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | can someone get a thread going on the ML to that effect ? | 16:31 |
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| cloudnull | So maybe next time? Anyone want to help out with that effort? | 16:35 |
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| odyssey4me | I'm interested in doing a spike on it, but it'll only probably happen in two weeks or so for me. | 16:37 |
| andymccr | cloudnull: im happy to get on board with that too | 16:37 |
| andymccr | (im ooto after next week though for a bit so same deal as odyssey4me really) | 16:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'll see if I can get a spike done next week | 16:38 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I don't see anyway to prevent the operator from having to be very cognizant of this upgrade problem though | 16:38 |
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| palendae | tbh the operator should be cognizant of upgrade problems | 16:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | If there's any that we can make easier, though, we should | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | This one we can't | 16:39 |
| palendae | True | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | We'll need really good documentation around this though so we'll need Sam-I-Am's help | 16:39 |
| palendae | They are still ultimately using openstack, though, so it's very much worth pointing out that this decision happened | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | certainly | 16:40 |
| stevelle | document the atrocities | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | ok so anything else we want to talk about ? | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | its open mic time | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | okiedokie. | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | #action reenable the successerator for a single retry within the gate. To be removed as soon as Ansible v2 drops upstream - someone | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | #action get a thread going on the mailing list surrounding issues with upgrading Kilo > Liberty - someone | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 16:44:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-07-16-16.02.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-07-16-16.02.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-07-16-16.02.log.html | 16:44 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 17:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
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| s3wong | hello | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
| Vikram | hi | 17:00 |
| LouisF | hi | 17:00 |
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| Mohankumar_ | Hi all | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | #topic •Spec status update | 17:02 |
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| Swami | hi everyone | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | so the spec is ready for merge. | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | of course after the merge, we can still modify it if needed | 17:03 |
| Mohankumar_ | yes it looks good to go .. | 17:03 |
| s3wong | cathy_: sc68cal just gave a -1... :-) | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | Mohankumar_: yes:-) | 17:03 |
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| amotoki | hi | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: I will take a look and address the comments. But that will not impact the merge. | 17:04 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: hi, thanks for joinging | 17:04 |
| s3wong | cathy_: sure | 17:04 |
| sc68cal | i'm here | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | #topic •SFC CLI client and Horizon Client dependency on base Neutron CLI and Horizon code | 17:05 |
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| cathy_ | Mohankumar_: would you like to explain the issue you faced? | 17:06 |
| s3wong | sc68cal: you gave a -1 on the networking-sfc API spec, and cathy_ will address it... that's all :-) | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | sc68cal: hi | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | sc68cal: yes, I will address it | 17:07 |
| Mohankumar_ | cathy_ , we can't do UT in networking-SFC stackforge directory as many dependency files are misssing . | 17:07 |
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| cathy_ | Mohankumar_: why stackforge? we are on OpenStack repo. | 17:07 |
| Vikram | sc68cal: i don't see any cross dependencies... even the spec itself says that.. | 17:07 |
| Mohankumar_ | cathy_ i mean networking-sfc | 17:08 |
| Mohankumar_ | repo | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | Mohankumar_: ok | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | so you mean the CLI client codes have dependency on the base Neutron CLI codes? | 17:09 |
| Vikram | cathy_: +1 | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: Do you have any suggestion how to resolve this? | 17:09 |
| Mohankumar_ | cathy_ yes | 17:09 |
| LouisF | sc68cal: just posted response to your comment | 17:09 |
| amotoki | cathy_: i haven't caught up with the context.... | 17:10 |
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| Vikram | cathy_: for running UT there is already a framework developed in the master branch.. | 17:10 |
| -amotoki- cathing up | 17:10 | |
| cathy_ | My understanding of the issue is that The Python Neutron client code for SFC can not link properly to the base neutron Client codes. Maybe Vikram or Mohankumar_ can clarify more on this? | 17:11 |
| Vikram | amotoki: the question here is how to run the UT for the new developed cli code.. | 17:12 |
| Mohankumar_ | vikram +1 | 17:12 |
| Vikram | amotoki: as discussed before we used the extension method for writing the test | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | give me 2 minutes since I need to move to another conf room. | 17:12 |
| amotoki | Vikram: i think it dpends on what code we have. we can talk it in reviews more efficiently | 17:13 |
| Vikram | the question here is how to write the unit test for this.. | 17:13 |
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| fitoduarte | . | 17:13 |
| amotoki | Vikram: ah... I can join the review later. let me share the link | 17:13 |
| Vikram | amotoki: ok,, will take it offline then! | 17:13 |
| Vikram | amotoki: we have done a part of it | 17:14 |
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| Vikram | it will be better if you can review and suggest us the way | 17:14 |
| Vikram | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200065/ | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | #action take the discussion of "SFC CLI client and Horizon Client dependency" offline and amotoki will review the codes and give guidance | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | #topic •OVS Driver and OVS support for classifier and SFF | 17:15 |
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| amotoki | i am not sure about Horizon dependency but I can help from both perspective. | 17:15 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: Thanks so much!!! | 17:16 |
| Vikram | amotoki: thanks! | 17:16 |
| amotoki | btw, SFF? | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | For the OVS support, if we decide to go for no SFC header with chain ID, then the OVS has to build a forwarding table based on 5-tuple or n-tuple for flow identification. | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: service function forwarder, the vSwitch | 17:17 |
| amotoki | got it. many abbrevs | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | Sorry that I am using the terminology of IETF SFC | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: yes:-) It is confusing | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | Everyone, what's your take and input? | 17:18 |
| s3wong | cathy_: and without full support of NSH in OVS, I believe that injecting flow entry on every hop within the chain is the only way to go | 17:18 |
| s3wong | * injection OF flow entry... | 17:18 |
| LouisF | need to decide on mods to the OVS agent to handle the flow tables | 17:19 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: agree | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: without NSH, we also need the OVS driver to inject/program flow entries into OVS from every hop. The difference is that the OVS table index is different | 17:19 |
| amotoki | s3wong: agree to some extent, but how does it bother SFC without NSH? | 17:20 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: it does not bother. The difference is that with chain ID, the table in OVS will be much simpler and smaller | 17:20 |
| amotoki | yes. with NSH we can simplify flow tables. | 17:21 |
| s3wong | amotoki: with NSH and more specifically chain ID, one only needs to inject simpler flow entries to hops | 17:21 |
| cathy_ | and the forwarding operation in OVS will be much efficient since the index is a single chain-ID instead of checking 5-tupe or 7-tuple | 17:21 |
| amotoki | totally agree. | 17:21 |
| s3wong | amotoki: but correct, we still need to inject flow entry every hop, so control plane perspective is pretty much the same | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | or in the future 11-tuple for more granular flow treatment | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | Also control plane will need to map every hop to the n-tuple instead of a single ID index | 17:23 |
| LouisF | s3wong: do you see changes to the OVS Integration bridge? | 17:23 |
| LouisF | s3wong: to handle the new port chain flows? | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | Actually as far as I know, people are working OVS to add support of chain-ID. | 17:23 |
| LouisF | cathy_: you mean NSH extensions to OVS? | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | So maybe our reference implementation should be using chain-ID to really make the SFC performance acceptable | 17:24 |
| s3wong | LouisF: changes to the communication between Neutron server and OVS agents? probably no change there | 17:24 |
| amotoki | we can improve the efficiency by OVS support, but from the control plane perspective it does affect anything as ref impl. | 17:25 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: you can say that, but not exactly | 17:25 |
| LouisF | s3wong: agree, just the flow tables processing on the OVS bridge | 17:26 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: you mean it DOES NOT affect anything? | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | It affects the OVS driver implementation | 17:26 |
| s3wong | LouisF: that would be what I expect --- but of course things may change once we implement it :-) | 17:26 |
| amotoki | cathy_: I mean the communication between neutron-server and angets | 17:26 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: agree | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: it will affects since the messages between the OVS drive and the OVS agent will be different. | 17:27 |
| amotoki | cathy_: so I said it affects performance or efficiency. perhaps we are in the same page. | 17:28 |
| s3wong | cathy_: the message content changes. But what amotoki and I meant was the efficiency in terms of control plane (# of Neutron server -> OVS agent messages) is not affected | 17:28 |
| cathy_ | One is to push a chain header (the chain-ID) into the packet and then program the OVS table with ID as the index. The other does not push any header ans use n-tuple as index of the table | 17:28 |
| amotoki | s3wong: right | 17:29 |
| s3wong | cathy_: but certainly DATA PLANE efficiency will be drastically improved via NSH/chain-ID support | 17:29 |
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| cathy_ | minor difference on the efficiency on control plane, I think, but I need to think about it more to be sure. | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | we need to reach consensus so that we can choose which implemenation to go. | 17:30 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: I thought we established that we will do the full-flow entry programming in OVS for Liberty (as OVS support isn't there yet)? | 17:32 |
| s3wong | cathy_: so what is the other option of implementation? | 17:32 |
| LouisF | s3wong: agree | 17:32 |
| cathy_ | other option is to support chain-ID. | 17:32 |
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| LouisF | cathy_: but then we have a dependency on NSH support in OVS | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | OK, then let's do the no-ChainID impelementation with the performance limitation in mind | 17:33 |
| amotoki | I think the bottom line is that we have a referement impl support and we can go more. | 17:33 |
| s3wong | cathy_: meaning that we will have someone in this team contributing to ovs-dev? :-) | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: agree. | 17:33 |
| LouisF | cathy_: this is just a reference implementation | 17:33 |
| amotoki | we can accpet an impl with a bit less performace. | 17:34 |
| LouisF | amotoki: agree | 17:34 |
| cathy_ | #agreed The OVS driver and agent implementation will be no NSH since OVS does not support it yet | 17:34 |
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| amotoki | the ref impl will have more performacne once OVS supports us. | 17:34 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: chain ID also has implication on the API (w.r.t. the parameters field), right? | 17:35 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: the correlation field in chain-parameters will be = none | 17:36 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: I don;t think so. User can choose which option to go in the API and that parameter is optional. | 17:37 |
| s3wong | LouisF: for now. But once OVS supports NSH / chain-ID, and we decide to adopt it, then users of the API would need to fill up the parameters, right? | 17:37 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: yes | 17:38 |
| LouisF | s3wong: the corrlation field in chain-parameters could be set = nsh | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | Some status update. Now that the spec is merged, I am working on the system design as suggested by amotoki and will have it ready for review next week. Louis and I are also working on the OVS driver design document | 17:38 |
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| LouisF | feel free to suggestion ideas | 17:39 |
| amotoki | sorry I couldn't take enough to review the API, but it is would be grate if the API provides full funtionality | 17:39 |
| s3wong | cathy_, LouisF: I would also like to jump into the OVS driver design and implementation | 17:40 |
| LouisF | s3wong: great! | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: the API provides full functionality for supporting the SFC for the first release and options for future extension | 17:40 |
| amotoki | NSH can help us bring more performacne and efficiency | 17:40 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: great. Thanks! let's work together on that | 17:41 |
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| amotoki | let me check soon early next week. | 17:41 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: Thanks | 17:41 |
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| cathy_ | any other topic for the meeting discussion? We are efficient and still have 18 minutes left. | 17:42 |
| s3wong | cathy_, LouisF: cool | 17:42 |
| s3wong | cathy_: once we get into coding, the meeting should be morphed into more a status update moving forward :-) | 17:42 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: yes:-) | 17:43 |
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| cathy_ | Given our time constraint, we need to move forward with the coding much faster to catch the Liberty release | 17:43 |
| amotoki | btw, do we have a wiki page to collect our efforts? | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: yes let me post the link | 17:44 |
| amotoki | cathy_: nice | 17:44 |
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| cathy_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/APIForServiceChaining | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | any other topic you folks like to discuss? | 17:45 |
| s3wong | cathy_: agreed, we are a little over two weeks away from end of L-2 | 17:45 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: could you guide us on what integration testing we need to do for getting into the L release? Any other gating or requirements we need to plan to get them done? | 17:46 |
| amotoki | s3wong: we are not so tightly constrainted by the release cycle. networking-sfc repo has a freedom | 17:46 |
| s3wong | amotoki: true... but as a team we want to hit at least a demo-able implementation by M-Summit | 17:47 |
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| s3wong | amotoki: this time around, the Liberty Release and M-Summit is only TWO weeks apart | 17:47 |
| amotoki | cathy_: it depends on us. We are not strictly required to have integarated gating at this moment. | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: agree. Let's work hard on it | 17:47 |
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| amotoki | we can first complete our first round and then explore better testing. | 17:47 |
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| amotoki | of course we can start testing along with implementation, but we have limited resources. | 17:48 |
| amotoki | I think we can focus on features for LIberty and Mitaka summit | 17:49 |
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| s3wong | amotoki: agreed | 17:49 |
| amotoki | cathy_: what do you think? | 17:49 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: Could you point us to the OpenStack integration gating and required testing link if we would like to satisfy those gating? | 17:49 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: agree. | 17:50 |
| amotoki | cathy_: functional testing is now being moved to in-tree | 17:50 |
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| cathy_ | As s3wong said we would like to have some good codes for demo ready for the Liberty summit to feel good about ourselves:-) | 17:51 |
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| amotoki | so most things are up to us, the community. can we believe we have enough tesitng? we can ask ourselves. | 17:51 |
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| LouisF | amotoki: what do you mean by "in-tree"? | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: Ok. thanks. I still would like to make the testing very comprehensive and strict. Let's work on that part later | 17:52 |
| amotoki | if we have a good coverage to some extent, we can say SFC is a good and mature project :-) | 17:52 |
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| amotoki | LouisF: under "big tent" content, we no longer have all functioanal and scenaro tesitng in tempest. | 17:53 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: sure, that should be the way this project is delivered | 17:53 |
| s3wong | LouisF: not Tempest, I suppose that is what amotoki meant? | 17:53 |
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| amotoki | s3wong: LouisF: correct. | 17:53 |
| amotoki | tempest decided not to have all tests in their repository in Vancouver. | 17:54 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: you mean we should check in our funcitonal testing codes into our project repo, right? | 17:54 |
| amotoki | cathy_: what i want to say is that we need to have funcational testing in our repo gradually. | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: OK | 17:55 |
| amotoki | tempest team can help us but they feel they don't scale. | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: Ok, i see | 17:56 |
| amotoki | we need to share our knowledge as a whole neutron stadium. I am learning too. | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | So it seems no more "topic" for this meeting. Then let's end this meeting and go to work on the code design/implementation. OK? | 17:56 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: Is there a link for that knowledge sharing? | 17:57 |
| s3wong | cathy_: +1 | 17:57 |
| Vikram | +1 | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: Could you keep us in the loop on that? Thanks. | 17:57 |
| Swami | cathy_: I think we should still have weekly meeting to go over the status, blocking issues etc., | 17:57 |
| amotoki | cathy_: i have no exact link .. | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | Swami: sure we will continue the IRC meeting | 17:57 |
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| amotoki | cathy_: it is a bit late, but i try to join the effort ! | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: we need you ! | 17:58 |
| LouisF | +1 | 17:58 |
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| cathy_ | OK, thanks everyone! talk to you in next meeting. | 17:58 |
| s3wong | Swami: yeah, I don't think we are suggesting stopping the weekly meeting :-) | 17:58 |
| Swami | s3wong: thanks. | 17:58 |
| LouisF | bye | 17:58 |
| amotoki | the meeitng is a great time to share the progress | 17:59 |
| Vikram | bye | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | bye now | 17:59 |
| Mohankumar__ | bye | 17:59 |
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| s3wong | Thanks all! | 17:59 |
| amotoki | night | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: yes, agree | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | bye | 17:59 |
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| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 17:59:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-07-16-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-07-16-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-07-16-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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