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| nikhil_k | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita | 13:59 |
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| nikhil_k | anyone around? | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | hi | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | hey | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting glance drivers | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 14:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | hi ian | 14:01 |
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| nikhil_k | We have a empty agenda today. Sorry about that, things have kept me busy to propose an agenda. | 14:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | hi rosmaita | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | However, I wanted to quikly prioritize specs | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Priority specs | 14:03 |
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| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: can we start with yours? | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | sure | 14:03 |
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| nikhil_k | Before I hit +A on anyof the specs, curious to see the developer b/w to see them through in Liberty | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Ian+Cordasco%22+status:open+project:openstack/glance-specs,n,z | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149467/3/specs/liberty/migrate-replicator-to-requests.rst | 14:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm happy to work on the code for any of those three at nights if I have to in order to get them through | 14:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | That one was an operator complaining before the summit | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: gotcha, and how urgent do you think they look? | 14:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I wrote a spec to do it but never started on the code, it should be a quick clean-up | 14:05 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Well replicator was seriously affecting at least one person, so I'd say that's most urgent | 14:05 |
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| sigmavirus24 | The image checksum configuration is needed for Brianna's because one member of the security group keeps -1'ing her spec | 14:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I'd say that's also up there importance | 14:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | Glance_store getting requests is least urgent to me since no one seems to care beyond some of us cores | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: also, we can impl that outside of the freeze | 14:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | :D | 14:06 |
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| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: thanks for sharing that info. I will bother people to look more into the configurable checksum one first and see it approved this week-ish | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | that way Brianna can have something well defined code+spec by midcycle | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i will commit to looking at the replicator and checksum specs today | 14:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: thanks! | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Flavio's on vacation this week fwiw | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | Do we think that #link https://review.openstack.org/192926 is more important than replicator ? | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: that probably is if only for Nova | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | He said that he may check email so I will tag something urgent if we need a +2 from him | 14:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: yeah he was tweeting yesterday about checking email when he shouldn't | 14:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | but I think most specs we are talking about are non-conflicting fwiw | 14:09 |
| * sigmavirus24 agrees | 14:09 | |
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| nikhil_k | Can we mark the above 3 more important for this week? | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | #info priority specs for this week: https://review.openstack.org/191542 , https://review.openstack.org/192926 , https://review.openstack.org/149467 | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | This one looks trivial: | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/179674 | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | sorry, just catching up ... what does 192926 need at this point? | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | I think the code is ready and has 3 +2s on it already ( CLI Support For Tag Metadata Definitions ) | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: just a confirmation that it works , no red flags :) | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: I doubt if you really need to invest time in it given I will take a look and provide rackspace public cloud perspective anyways if needed | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i missed some meetings while i was away, can you give me a quick rundown on the relation between working code and spec approval? saw some stuff in the ML | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: we are still workingon a good alternative to the current process | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | as it's a bit impeding atm (was the feedback from a few members) | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | I had a chat with few on what the tradeoffs were for the proposed change in the process (similar to nova) | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | and it was negative for most part | 14:15 |
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| nikhil_k | I am working on a better one that can be lot more friendly | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | do we have a process doc or wiki? | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | guess that's what you are working on | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | not yet, jcook wanted to give some feedback and I wanted to have a chat with John this week. | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | let me know if you need feedback on drafts | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I agree about 179674 | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | me too, lgtm | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | I guess we can approve that one today | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | the other two important ones are #link https://review.openstack.org/187674 and #link https://review.openstack.org/194868 | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | there was feedback passive feedback and interest shown | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | how do we feel about grammar nits on specs that are otherwise fine? | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | s/was feedback/was/ | 14:18 |
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| nikhil_k | rosmaita: we are welcoming grammar changes in amendments too but if they are so bad that operators can't understand head or tail of it we should block the spec | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | sounds reasonable | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: I agree with nikhil_k | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | We should see if Olena still wants to do docs/specs reading for us | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | She can submit grammar updates potentially and help with clarifying some language as necessary | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Olena was working with mfedosin and ativelkov on our developer documentation last cycle) | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | that's a nice suggestion :) | 14:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: one thing about 179674 is that it doesn't talk about the CLI | 14:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | Even though it's for the CLI | 14:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think I'm missing something though | 14:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | Oh wait | 14:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | That's the spec for the pieces in Glance and glanceclient, nevermind | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sorry | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | Ignore me | 14:21 |
| * sigmavirus24 needs more coffee this morning | 14:21 | |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:22 |
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| nikhil_k | One spec that we should look closely next week is #link https://review.openstack.org/191897 | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah | 14:22 |
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| * sigmavirus24 stars that | 14:22 | |
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| nikhil_k | I think that's a lot of code and review work for Liberty and I am hoping that we can accomplish 90% of it :) | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i think i have had less coffee than sigmavirus24 | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i'm back at 179674 | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | heh | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | it doesn't say what the commands will look like in CLI | 14:23 |
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| nikhil_k | rosmaita: I think the language isn't perfect | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | but i guess that was the patch that had the huge discussion about the md-* commands? | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | he means more like adding glanceclient support | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 14:24 |
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| nikhil_k | the discussion happened on the code review vs. the spec | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | i'm not real clear on why the kilo spec about metedefs-tags is reproduced in this one? | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | it prolly shouldn't be the more I think about it, scope is unnecessary | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | i don't think we want to encourage that, the specs are long enough as is | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | true that | 14:26 |
| * sigmavirus24 chuckles | 14:27 | |
| sigmavirus24 | I'll rescind my +2 =P | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i can be the jerk who points it out on the spec | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: or you can point out the discussion here and avoid blame :) | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 14:28 |
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| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: technically I'm that jerk =P | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | (I tend to be that jerk most often) | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | See ya all around. Thanks for the meeting! | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 14:30:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-07-14-14.01.html | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-07-14-14.01.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-07-14-14.01.log.html | 14:30 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 15:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #link agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20150714 | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | hello folks ! | 15:00 |
| iurygregory | hello :D | 15:00 |
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| crinkle | o/ | 15:00 |
| mfisch | yo | 15:00 |
| spredzy | morning | 15:00 |
| clayton | hi | 15:00 |
| mdorman | o/ | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Review past action items | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review past action items (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:01 | |
| _ody | o/ | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | crinkle on pushing zuul-cloner changes to all modules -> DONE | 15:02 |
| * _ody making coffee | 15:02 | |
| EmilienM | mdorman to update all oslo/messaging/heartbeat patches to disable it by default and provide good doc about it -> DONE | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:02 | |
| EmilienM | I have some very exiting announcements | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | #info stable/kilo 6.0.0 released | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | #info zuul-cloner works for all of our modules now, we can use Depends-On feature | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | thanks crinkle for that work ^ | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | #info oslo/messaging/heartbeat is now disabled by default | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | #link wiki page to create new modules: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet/New_module | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | thx spredzy, sbadia ^ | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | #link master branch policy is documented: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/puppet-openstack-specs/specs/kilo/master-policy.html | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | I would like to congratulate everyone for the Kilo release, we made it ! | 15:04 |
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| mfisch | yay | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | I can now leave in holidays | 15:04 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 15:04 |
| iurygregory | congratulations people | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | #topic Montreal Sprint - September 2 to 4 | 15:05 |
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| _ody | gratz | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | #link Liberty Puppet sprint: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-liberty-mid-cycle | 15:05 |
| mfisch | who is planning on coming? | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 15:05 |
| spredzy | will try | 15:06 |
| clayton | I have other obligations that week unfortunately. | 15:06 |
| xarses | I likely won't make it =( | 15:06 |
| pabelanger | working on approval myself | 15:06 |
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| mfisch | I'm going to try to come too | 15:06 |
| pabelanger | I've just around the corner | 15:06 |
| mdorman | i probably will not. | 15:06 |
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| iurygregory | =/ i can't i live in Brazil | 15:06 |
| crinkle | o/ | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: ? | 15:07 |
| _ody | Just got done fighting through the process to get us all you Tokyo so another trip is probably not happening... | 15:07 |
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| mfisch | Tokyo planning is blocking me saying yes actually | 15:07 |
| dfisher | i would really like to so that maybe I can get Solaris support in with everybody's help but with Tokyo right around the corner, I don't know if mgmt will let me. (where mgmt is my wife) | 15:07 |
| mfisch | mdorman: can you come? | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | richm is coming also (FYI) | 15:07 |
| mdorman | mfisch: i will ask, but i’m not sure i can make the ‘business case’ for it. and since i’m traveling for ops meetup the week before. we’ll see. | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | oh it's national day in France | 15:08 |
| mfisch | its either or for me | 15:08 |
| mfisch | mdorman: Ops or puppet | 15:08 |
| _ody | Possibility of virtual attendance? | 15:08 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: is there any topic so big that we really need to meet in person? maybe we could organize a virtual sprint | 15:08 |
| mdorman | yeah. | 15:08 |
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| clayton | crinkle: I could probably do that | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: it might be an alternative | 15:09 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: infra team did run a virtual sprint, was it good enough? | 15:09 |
| mfisch | it can be difficult to block off time | 15:09 |
| xarses | I would probably be able to attend virtually | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: I'm just afraid people would be working on their regular work | 15:10 |
| mfisch | I'd probably stay home during it | 15:10 |
| mfisch | we could also do it say a half day for 2/3 days | 15:10 |
| Vinsh | +1 | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | I'm confused now | 15:11 |
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| mfisch | personally I'd rather go visit Montreal but if we dont have critical mass... | 15:11 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: yeah i think infra's sprint went well | 15:11 |
| dfisher | is it done via google hangout? | 15:11 |
| dfisher | was* it done | 15:11 |
| crinkle | it is done in the #openstack-sprint channel | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | IRC I think | 15:12 |
| pabelanger | virtual sprint went well | 15:12 |
| pabelanger | but I see the benefit of in person too. | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | no matter if we do a sprint or not, we need an agenda my friends | 15:12 |
| mfisch | with a smaller team I'd want to do google hangouts if we cant meet in person | 15:12 |
| mdorman | seems like virtual could work well if people can commit to focusing on that vs. multitasking with normal work | 15:12 |
| spredzy | I tend to think that live meeting add a plus for collaboration meeting people IRL actually means something IMO. Yet if possible we gould go hybrid, people that can go will work on site but everything will be also possible to do on hg | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | and until now, there is only 3 points in the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-liberty-mid-cycle | 15:12 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: if there's not even an agenda yet then sending everyone to montreal doesn't seem worth it | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: +10000 | 15:13 |
| mfisch | so my idea for this was a sprint | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: what would you work on? have you a specific topic? | 15:13 |
| mfisch | not a conversation about stuff but working on code | 15:13 |
| mfisch | I'd spend 4 hours on bug triage and fixes for example | 15:13 |
| mdorman | i would be interested in maybe owrking on venv support in the modules. if that’s something we decided we might want to do. | 15:13 |
| mfisch | I'd put everyone working on CI beaker stuff along with you showing us more about it | 15:13 |
| mfisch | stuff like that | 15:14 |
| mdorman | and +1 on just trying ot knock out bugs | 15:14 |
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| EmilienM | mdorman: topic #2 I think | 15:14 |
| mdorman | ah yup yup | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: can you add a topic for bug triage maybe? | 15:14 |
| pabelanger | I'm interested in the AIO work, which would be something to discuss at the mid-cycle. Hammering out spec, design | 15:14 |
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| EmilienM | pabelanger: nice, CI thing is topic #1 - good to have you onboard by the way | 15:14 |
| _ody | I likely try to host a place at PL HQ for people to hang out to do the mid-cycle virtually. | 15:15 |
| pabelanger | additionally, learning more about beaker so I can help openstack-infra move their puppet modules into move functional testing is high on my list | 15:15 |
| pabelanger | for downstream infra CI | 15:15 |
| pabelanger | might you, I think crinkle is also working on that? | 15:15 |
| crinkle | yep a bit | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | pabelanger: this is out of our work I would say | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | pabelanger: and then, out of our puppet sprint | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | pabelanger: our focus is 100% puppet openstack modules | 15:16 |
| pabelanger | EmilienM, right, I'm going to offer up support for puppet openstack modules, with beaker and such. SO I can learn more about it | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | nice | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | anything else? | 15:17 |
| pabelanger | easy way for me to learn it | 15:17 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: did we decide anything? | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | richm is going to help us to coordinate the next steps for keystone v3 | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: no | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: I think virtual sprint is enough until now | 15:17 |
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| crinkle | +1 | 15:18 |
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| clayton | +1 | 15:18 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch, spredzy, mdorman, richm ? | 15:19 |
| mdorman | sounds good to me. | 15:19 |
| mfisch | I will just drink wine at my house then | 15:19 |
| mdorman | haha | 15:19 |
| richm | yes | 15:19 |
| richm | either way is fine with me | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | richm: you can come in MTL if you want :-P | 15:20 |
| spredzy | EmilienM, ok for me | 15:20 |
| richm | I will miss poutine . . . | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | ahah | 15:20 |
| pabelanger | EmilienM, I might drop in for a day then, since I'm just a train ride away. Can you get some desk space locally? | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | pabelanger: yeah and I can relocate | 15:20 |
| mfisch | EmilienM: I will volunteer to run the bug scrub, I have some ideas in my head | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | pabelanger: you and me are going to do CI, we might need to see each others a couple of days | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: ok | 15:21 |
| pabelanger | EmilienM, okay, if manager approves I could make a few days of it | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to inform the ML Puppet sprint will be virtual | 15:21 |
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| pabelanger | EmilienM, I should loop you into email | 15:21 |
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| EmilienM | let's move on | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | #topic Default parameter policy | 15:22 |
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| EmilienM | spredzy: o/ | 15:22 |
| spredzy | I had found a possible way to go with sane default, but DavidS add another suggestion https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-inifile/pull/176 | 15:23 |
| spredzy | My question here is, would we like to go with it (the terner) or is it to heavy in the manifests | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | it sounds like he *closed* the discussion :( | 15:23 |
| clayton | I understand why he doesn't want to take the patch, but the puppet 4.x suggestion is kind of gross, and I think the 3.x one is not really any better than the if/else | 15:24 |
| mdorman | (reading the PR) | 15:24 |
| spredzy | If we apply this patch, basically if they are undef, they will be ensure absent | 15:24 |
| spredzy | clayton, mainly one-line, but it would still be IMO really heavy to read | 15:24 |
| richm | What happens with values that are not strings? e.g. boolean values that only have a value of true or false? | 15:25 |
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| clayton | my vote would be to create an intermediary inifile parent class in openstacklib and put the behavior that spredzy implemented there. | 15:25 |
| spredzy | richm, nice catch :) | 15:26 |
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| mdorman | so there is no way in the provider to recognize when a parameter is undef ? | 15:26 |
| crinkle | Hunner: you were at the triage when this was discussed ^ | 15:26 |
| spredzy | in our case it would be a define check | 15:26 |
| richm | well, I ran into the same problem with keystone::resource::authtoken - insecure parameter | 15:26 |
| clayton | mdorman: not in puppet 3.x, I think that changes in 4.x | 15:26 |
| mdorman | clayton: ok, right. yeah that sounds right. | 15:26 |
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| spredzy | I have no objection against clayton's idea | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | I think it's just moving the problem | 15:28 |
| clayton | how so? | 15:29 |
| mdorman | it is moving the problem, but i think we’re saying there’s really no solution to the problem until puppet 4.x right? | 15:29 |
| mdorman | so we have no other option really | 15:29 |
| _ody | Doesn't sit with me right. Passing undef to a parameter effectively "unsets" it, resulting is the parameter passing its default value to the provider. If the default value for ensure was "absent" then this would make more sense and inline with the other type interfaces. | 15:29 |
| xarses | I thought inifile didn't write out undef values | 15:30 |
| clayton | _ody: I don't think any of us are happy with the solutions available, but we're lacking attractive alternatives :) | 15:30 |
| mdorman | is an unquoted absent value translate into something special, or does it just get changed to the string ‘absent’ ? | 15:30 |
| clayton | it gets changed into a string | 15:31 |
| spredzy | yeah values are stringfied | 15:31 |
| mdorman | k | 15:31 |
| spredzy | nil is actually understood as 'nil' | 15:31 |
| clayton | there are special cases, like undef, true, false, but that's generally how it works | 15:31 |
| _ody | The latter usually endup as symbols. | 15:32 |
| _ody | (until Puppet 4.x then its all typed properly) | 15:32 |
| mdorman | right. | 15:32 |
| _ody | Thing being "fixed" it puppet 4.x isn't terribly useful though. | 15:32 |
| mdorman | well i agree with clayton’s plan as well. implement it in openstacklib… then at least the complexity is abstracted away from the other modules | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | well, we can try and see how it works | 15:33 |
| clayton | xarses: it won't write out the undef values, but it also won't remove them. it makes it hard to remove values after they've been set. | 15:33 |
| xarses | clayton: ahh | 15:33 |
| xarses | so, lets get on the same page | 15:33 |
| xarses | and present a joined oponion to puppetlabs-inifile | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | clayton, spredzy: openstacklib patch needs to work on 3.x & 4.x version and be backward compatible I think | 15:34 |
| xarses | that we need a better solution / here is ours | 15:34 |
| clayton | xarses: I tend to think we'd get better traction if we implemented it internally first, and figured out what works and doesn't before pushing it upstream | 15:34 |
| Hunner | mdorman: No, no way for a provider to recognize undef. Only false or something | 15:35 |
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| EmilienM | clayton: it sounds fair | 15:35 |
| spredzy | EmilienM, ack | 15:35 |
| xarses | likely, but we should get an useful opinion from upstream too | 15:35 |
| xarses | we shouldn't have to fork to fix this | 15:35 |
| clayton | xarses: I'd propose we wrap the existing methods, not fork it | 15:35 |
| clayton | that we'd continue to have a dependency on the inifile provider | 15:36 |
| xarses | seems ugly but ok | 15:36 |
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| clayton | less ugly than forking :) | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | clayton, spredzy: all right, so next step is a patch in oslib, right? | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | clayton, spredzy: you can come-up with an example in puppet-nova by using Depends-On, would be useful to see/test behaviors | 15:38 |
| spredzy | EmilienM, ack will do that | 15:38 |
| clayton | good idea | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: thx | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | #topic CI status | 15:38 |
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| EmilienM | puppet-keystone is now gating WSGI setup | 15:39 |
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| EmilienM | I'm working with Tempest team to have tempest running in our jobs | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | and I'm working on getting log files in our jenkins workspace, I might need your inputs of log files we would need | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | example https://review.openstack.org/199712 | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | and http://logs.openstack.org/12/199712/13/check/gate-puppet-keystone-puppet-beaker-rspec-dsvm-centos7/bff0421/ | 15:40 |
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| EmilienM | I would love some feedback on the patch itself. I'm using acceptance to get the logs, not sure it's the right way but it works | 15:41 |
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| EmilienM | pabelanger: you might have a look too | 15:41 |
| mfisch | Will these be voting jobs eventually? | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: what, tempest? | 15:42 |
| pabelanger | EmilienM, ack | 15:42 |
| mfisch | y | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: yes, this is part of beaker jobs. | 15:42 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: I'm also wondering if we should run a scenario or test a whole set of tests like 'identity' | 15:43 |
| mfisch | what would that include? | 15:43 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: I should write a blueprint for that | 15:43 |
| crinkle | wouldn't the tempest tests belong as part of the integration suite? | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: identity is testing all keystone | 15:44 |
| pabelanger | crinkle, I agree | 15:44 |
| crinkle | since the acceptance tests don't test a whole openstack | 15:44 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: right, this is a good idea | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: so we keep serverspec tests for puppet-* modules jobs | 15:45 |
| pabelanger | One way to do it, if puppet-keystone has a patch set, the puppet-openstack-integration test would be a gate, then using zuul-cloner, you'd pull in that ref to run against | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: and think about tempest for the whole AIO jobs ? | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | pabelanger: this was exactly our intention ;) | 15:46 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: yep | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: ok fair enough | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | we need a blueprint about openstack integration | 15:46 |
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| EmilienM | to define how we do that | 15:46 |
| pabelanger | EmilienM, ya, it is scary! I'm on the same page as other people | 15:46 |
| mfisch | devils advocate but at what point are we testing openstack and not puppet? | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | #action pabelanger & EmilienM to work on openstack integration CI | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | anything else about CI? | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | ok let's move on | 15:47 |
| crinkle | mfisch: that's sort of what a black box test is supposed to do, isn't it? | 15:47 |
| crinkle | make sure the thing we intended to do got done, no matter if we did it with puppet or something else | 15:47 |
| crinkle | i don't expect we would run every tempest test, just the general ones | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | yes typically a scenario | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | basic ops scenario maybe | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | we will figure that out with tempest team and discuss about that in the blueprint | 15:48 |
| pabelanger | Ya, have some grand ideas using multi node testing with zuul :) | 15:49 |
| pabelanger | but single node stuff for now I see | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | yes let's iterate :) | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | non voting + single node is our first target | 15:49 |
| pabelanger | ! | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage | 15:49 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:49 | |
| EmilienM | we have 10 minutes for triage | 15:49 |
| mfisch | I have one bug to bring up | 15:49 |
| mfisch | let me find it | 15:50 |
| mfisch | https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-glance/+bug/1471364 | 15:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471364 in puppet-glance "glance_image keeps trying to update an image from location causing an error" [Undecided,New] | 15:50 |
| mdorman | i have one to raise as well. | 15:50 |
| mfisch | I was curious if people had success making glance images with puppet from a URL | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | please +A the WSGI bug backports: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201597/ - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201605/ | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: this one is nice indeed | 15:51 |
| mfisch | I'm not convinced anyone ever uses that feature | 15:51 |
| mdorman | i have not used it | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: our CI does | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | https://github.com/openstack/puppet-glance/blob/master/spec/acceptance/basic_glance_spec.rb#L77-L83 | 15:52 |
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| EmilienM | and it works well today AFIK | 15:52 |
| crinkle | that's using source, not location | 15:53 |
| crinkle | isn't location supposed to be a local file? | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | oh | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/api/v1/images.py#L433-L447 | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | it sounds like a bad config of Glance maybe | 15:54 |
| santosh | Hi All | 15:55 |
| mfisch | location should be a URL iirc | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: have you enabled http in glance config? | 15:55 |
| mfisch | the image works and is uploaded | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/etc/glance-api.conf#L522-L523 | 15:55 |
| clayton | EmilienM: yeah | 15:55 |
| mfisch | the issue is that puppet keeps trying to update it | 15:55 |
| mfisch | puppet cant figure out that its already been uploaded | 15:55 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: why don't we have the issue when using source then? | 15:56 |
| mfisch | thats from a file right? | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | our puppet run is idempotent: https://github.com/openstack/puppet-glance/blob/master/spec/acceptance/basic_glance_spec.rb#L88 | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | probably | 15:56 |
| mfisch | okay let me try that | 15:56 |
| mfisch | I must misunderstand what location meant | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: please look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201597/ | 15:57 |
| mfisch | merged | 15:57 |
| mfisch | was waiting for that | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | thanks | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: we have 3 min, I had a question - what's the status of backport things in OpenStack Infra ? | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | do you have any blocker? | 15:58 |
| crinkle | mfisch: commit 1d0a8ba83dfa0b4970b1b40259f45e3dd77ea543 changed the behavior of that param, if you try the commit before that does anything change? | 15:58 |
| spredzy | Had some feedback from -infra late last week need to checkout what it was | 15:58 |
| spredzy | Well - no - sorry I am confused it was about usiing a commong setup_git | 15:58 |
| mfisch | crinkle: I have not, I will note that and look today | 15:58 |
| crinkle | cool | 15:58 |
| spredzy | and the review has been amended | 15:58 |
| spredzy | waiting for review | 15:59 |
| mdorman | i’ll slip in at the very end here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193328/ crinkle and EmilienM both commented on this, just wanted to get some consensus on how to go forward. if folks could look at the review, i’d appreciate it. doesn’t have to be figured out right this second. | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: ok. nice | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: will look today | 15:59 |
| crinkle | i keep running into https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-horizon/+bug/1470993 and I don't think the proposed fix works, has anyone else run into this on ubuntu? | 15:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470993 in puppet-horizon "if compress_static=true failed to apply horizon puppets" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Vasyl Saienko (vsaienko) | 15:59 |
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| EmilienM | It's the end | 15:59 |
| mdorman | EmilienM: ty | 15:59 |
| Vinsh | An fyi on puppet-swift work. I am back from deploying https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177037/ to staging and production in our shop. It works very well. I'll be completing this review to gain acceptance now. | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: will look today too | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | have a great day! | 16:00 |
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| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 16:00:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-07-14-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-07-14-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-07-14-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting GSLB | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 16:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gslb' | 16:00 |
| mugsie | so - who is here? | 16:01 |
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| santosh | Hi | 16:01 |
| mugsie | o/ | 16:01 |
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| KunalGandhi | o/ | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | I think we might need to wait a few more minutes for people to join | 16:02 |
| mugsie | ok, I think we are good to go - if people join later we can loop back | 16:05 |
| mugsie | #topic review API strawman doc | 16:05 |
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| mugsie | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nw5jVn0hjmhlhkZJAohx-gqRkkbVhMMJ79Pogd0ysEk/edit?usp=sharing | 16:05 |
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| mugsie | I saw there was a few comments over the last few days | 16:06 |
| mugsie | I suppose to start out - is there any objections to the whole doc? | 16:06 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. yes.. i added a few more API drafts around monitors and regional LB's | 16:06 |
| mugsie | (did I miss some fundimental requirement that makes this API inconpatable) | 16:07 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: I saw - thanks for taking the time :) | 16:07 |
| mugsie | I had 2 questions .. | 16:07 |
| mugsie | for the regional LBs - is that required for the MVP? | 16:08 |
| mugsie | and health monitors - how would they differ to healthchecks? | 16:08 |
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| KunalGandhi | @mugsie ... the way some GSLB's are used is the local VIP's are actually added to the regional LB | 16:09 |
| mugsie | yeah - but for the MVP, is that needed | 16:10 |
| mugsie | (aka version 0.1) | 16:10 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. it might not be.. | 16:10 |
| mugsie | I think we definitly need to do it | 16:10 |
| mugsie | but I am not sure of when | 16:10 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. ok agree.. | 16:10 |
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| mugsie | I think we will probably end up finding issues as we implement this API anyway, and I dont think we should make any guarenteee about how stable it is until we are certain anyway :) | 16:11 |
| KunalGandhi | to answer your second question, health checks seems to be the status of the pool member itsef (at least from the doc) | 16:11 |
| KunalGandhi | health monitors are very similar to what we have with LbaaS. | 16:12 |
| mugsie | /lbs/<uuid>/pool_members/<uuid>/status was what I saw as the status | 16:12 |
| mugsie | and healthchecks are actions that populate /status | 16:12 |
| dougwig | sorry i'm late! | 16:12 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. that looks like the status of the pool_member.. | 16:12 |
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| mugsie | dougwig: np :) | 16:13 |
| KunalGandhi | health monitors are monitors that will be required to monitor the health of the local VIP's (pool members) themselves. | 16:13 |
| mugsie | ok, I think we can re name healthchecks -> healthmonitors, and have it do the same thing | 16:14 |
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| mugsie | that is what I had aimed heathchecks to do, I just didnt explain it well | 16:14 |
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| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. if we go with the convention we followed with LBaaS.. we will need API's manage healthmonitors and API to associate/dissociate from pool member | 16:14 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. ok cool.. | 16:15 |
| mugsie | dougwig: did you get a chance to read the doc? | 16:15 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: ah - ok, thats the disconnect I am having | 16:15 |
| mugsie | so healthmonitors are separate objects that are attached to multiple pool memebers? | 16:15 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. yes. | 16:15 |
| dougwig | no, but i just skimmed. i think we need a pool object on top of members, both so we can hang health monitors off of it, and so we can do /pool/uuid/member/uuid nested? | 16:15 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig .. i agree | 16:16 |
| mugsie | dougwig: do we need multiple pools per gslb? | 16:16 |
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| dougwig | i think we can start with one. if the foreign key is in the pool, we can always make a 1:N later, too. | 16:17 |
| dougwig | unless we want different monitors in different regions, e.g.? | 16:17 |
| KunalGandhi | we could have something like pools --> members.. were pools are group of members that need to Globally load balanced.. and each member is a local VIP | 16:17 |
| mugsie | so, re name the lb to pool? | 16:18 |
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| mugsie | or another nest? | 16:18 |
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| KunalGandhi | @dougwig ... we will multiple pools per GSLB. | 16:18 |
| dougwig | KunalGandhi: i'm not sure it has to be a VIP. you can use gslb without local LB. an IP should be sufficient, no? | 16:18 |
| mugsie | it should be IMHO | 16:18 |
| dougwig | i'd prefer to keep pool/lb separate. the dns half and the ip/monitor half, so to speak. | 16:18 |
| mugsie | I gave an example of a regional LB, an IP, and a neutron port | 16:19 |
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| dougwig | mugsie: i saw that, and agreed. | 16:19 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig .. yes.. when i said VIP.. i actually meant just the IP address.. GSLB just needs to IP.. no other data | 16:19 |
| KunalGandhi | so just to recap, for MVP, we need the following : 1) Pool API 2) Member API 3) Monitors 4) Association and Dissociation of monitors ? | 16:20 |
| mugsie | so, we have load balencers, pools, health monitors as first level API objects | 16:21 |
| mugsie | and then APIs to associate them to each other? | 16:21 |
| mugsie | and disassociate | 16:21 |
| dougwig | i'd be fine with that, though i'd also be fine with just passing a linking uuid for anything that we don't ever think will be many-to-many. | 16:22 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: member API? that would be the current pool_member API moved to the Pools API right? | 16:22 |
| dougwig | and then also members as children of pools? | 16:22 |
| mugsie | dougwig: ++ | 16:22 |
| dougwig | (as an aside, i can also solicit feedback from the lbaas folks at tomorrow's midcycle.) | 16:22 |
| mugsie | dougwig: ah, your in seattle? | 16:22 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. yes.. | 16:22 |
| mugsie | cool. | 16:22 |
| dougwig | mugsie: yes. will you be there? | 16:23 |
| mugsie | unfortunatly not | 16:23 |
| dougwig | ok, then we can volunteer you for everything. | 16:23 |
| mugsie | :) | 16:23 |
| mugsie | so, then next steps: | 16:24 |
| mugsie | Update the doc | 16:24 |
| mugsie | get lbaas feedback | 16:24 |
| mugsie | anything else? | 16:24 |
| dougwig | no, i think that'll be good until next week. | 16:25 |
| mugsie | cool. | 16:25 |
| mugsie | #topic AOB | 16:25 |
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| dougwig | aob? | 16:25 |
| mugsie | I was thinking of subbmitting a talk to Tokyo on this - would anyone be interested in co-presenting?> | 16:25 |
| mugsie | dougwig: any other buisiness | 16:25 |
| dougwig | aha. | 16:25 |
| mugsie | i think it might be a european thing | 16:25 |
| dougwig | i'd be willing, though i hate presenting, so i'd be just as happy to let someone else. :) | 16:26 |
| mugsie | I think a talk would be a good way to get knowledge out and get wider community feedback | 16:26 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. agree.. | 16:26 |
| dougwig | agree | 16:26 |
| dougwig | we better submit today or tomorrow. | 16:27 |
| mugsie | yup | 16:27 |
| mugsie | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gslb-tokyo-talks | 16:27 |
| dougwig | you want to take point on that? you can always juggle the speaker list later as needed. | 16:27 |
| mugsie | sounds good | 16:27 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. i can provide some help on this front.. | 16:27 |
| mugsie | if anyone want anything to be added to the abstract dump it in that etherpad :) | 16:28 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: great | 16:28 |
| KunalGandhi | i had done a GSLB talk in the last summit. | 16:28 |
| mugsie | even better :) | 16:28 |
| dougwig | do folks want to start the infra/tc process to get a repo created? there's usually a few week lead time on that. i can get the ball rolling. | 16:28 |
| mugsie | yeah - do we want to go stackforge first? | 16:29 |
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| KunalGandhi | ok. that sounds good.. | 16:29 |
| dougwig | mugsie: since stackforge is about to disappear, i was thinking we could try to go straight to openstack. | 16:29 |
| mugsie | dougwig: oh I forgot about that | 16:30 |
| mugsie | ok, I think we are done for today then :) | 16:30 |
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| mugsie | anyone have anything else? | 16:30 |
| dougwig | cool. thanks for taking point on the API doc. | 16:30 |
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| mugsie | no problem - am on of those REST nerd | 16:31 |
| mugsie | nerds* | 16:31 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 16:31:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/gslb.2015-07-14-16.00.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/gslb.2015-07-14-16.00.txt | 16:31 |
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