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| eglute | #startmeeting DefCore | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 01:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: DefCore)" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 01:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 01:00 |
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| eglute | Hello Everyone! Raise your hand if you are here and include time zone. | 01:00 |
| eglute | o/ CST | 01:01 |
| hogepodge | o/ PDT | 01:01 |
| markvoelker | o/ EDT | 01:01 |
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| catherineD | o/PDT | 01:01 |
| dwalleck | o/ CST | 01:01 |
| hogepodge | agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.5 | 01:01 |
| eglute | Rob said he won't be able to attend today, so if anyone else wants to chair the meeting with me let me know! | 01:02 |
| eglute | #chair hogepodge | 01:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge | 01:02 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 01:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: DefCore)" | 01:03 | |
| eglute | do we have enough people attending the meeting? | 01:03 |
| markvoelker | eglute: you mean in general or in this particular timeslot? | 01:04 |
| eglute | for this evening | 01:04 |
| eglute | i counted 5 :( | 01:04 |
| markvoelker | I think we have enough to do useful things. | 01:04 |
| nzhou | pls also count me :) | 01:04 |
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| eglute | welcome nzhou! what time zone are you in? | 01:05 |
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| * markvoelker reminds folks that we're supposed to review whether this meeting schedule is working out during the Flag.7 meeting on July 8 | 01:06 | |
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| nzhou | GMT+8 :) | 01:06 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 01:06 |
| eglute | I agree markvoelker we can get enough stuff done! we do have agenda on the etherpad. do you want to tackle it in order or start with more pressing items? | 01:06 |
| markvoelker | eglute: the first several items should be pretty short I think | 01:07 |
| hogepodge | I generally try to do things in order | 01:07 |
| eglute | #topic mid-cycle planning | 01:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mid-cycle planning (Meeting topic: DefCore)" | 01:07 | |
| eglute | we have set the date last week, right now Rob is waiting to hear on confirmation for the space. | 01:08 |
| eglute | if we don't hear back, we will work on location B, which most likely be Rackspace Austin office | 01:08 |
| markvoelker | #info Still waiting on venue confirmation for July 29-30 midcycle meetup | 01:09 |
| Rockyg | that could be a tight fit | 01:09 |
| eglute | Rockyg what do you mean? | 01:10 |
| eglute | In terms or planning, or having space? | 01:10 |
| Rockyg | space | 01:10 |
| Rockyg | Defcore has become much more popular | 01:10 |
| hogepodge | rax has loads of space in the Austin office | 01:10 |
| hogepodge | (at least afaik from my last visit there) | 01:11 |
| eglute | we have two offices there too... yes, it is pretty big | 01:11 |
| hogepodge | Foundation offices would be much tougher. It was tight last time, and sure to be much tighter this time. | 01:11 |
| markvoelker | I'm not worried about space...we had 10 people reply to the Doodle | 01:11 |
| eglute | from the doodle, it did not appear that we would get too many people attending. Though I am sure a lot of rackers will attend if it is there | 01:11 |
| eglute | markvoelker agree! i would be surprised if we get 20 in person | 01:12 |
| markvoelker | And a couple of those said they weren't coming or were going to be remote IIRC | 01:12 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: before we move on from midcycle planning, does someone have an AI to draft an agenda? Don' | 01:12 |
| markvoelker | t think we need to do that here, but it wants doing. | 01:12 |
| Rockyg | oops I saw rackspace and thought foundation - which is tiny | 01:13 |
| eglute | markvoelker yes, I was thinking we need to start agenda, but thought it might be a bit early still | 01:13 |
| eglute | Rockyg yes, foundation office is very cozy! | 01:13 |
| markvoelker | eglute: I'm thinking now is a good time to start drafting. We're only about 4 weeks away, right? | 01:14 |
| eglute | if other people think that we should start working on agenda now, we can start etherpad. | 01:14 |
| eglute | yes, only 4 weeks, but I was thinking we might resolve some issues in these meetings | 01:14 |
| eglute | I am ok with starting early too | 01:15 |
| markvoelker | eglute: +1 to starting soon. I've got a couple of things to add to a prospective agenda. | 01:15 |
| eglute | #action eglute start etherpad for mid-cycle agenda | 01:15 |
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| eglute | ready for next topic? | 01:16 |
| markvoelker | eglute: thanks. Also, for travel planning purposes: I presume we're planning to use the full day both days? E.g. 9-5 or something? | 01:16 |
| eglute | yes, I would think so | 01:16 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: We had a full agenda last time, so I would hope 2 full days | 01:17 |
| markvoelker | Excellent. Ok, next topic! | 01:17 |
| eglute | also, Foundation Board has a meeting the day before, so the board members will be there early | 01:17 |
| eglute | #topic capabilities subdivision | 01:17 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194975/1 | 01:17 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge for starting this, i think it is still work in progress, correct? | 01:18 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: Haven't had time for more than a cursory look at this today, sorry. Will try to spend more time on it tomorrow or Friday. | 01:18 |
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| hogepodge | It's based off of the work that VanL and catherineD have been doing in the google sheet. | 01:19 |
| hogepodge | That's where the json file comes from | 01:19 |
| hogepodge | There's a bug in the name, and dwalleck has some good points on the categorization and tests | 01:19 |
| dwalleck | I hopefully didn't brain dump too much feedback, but I still have a bit more to poke around through | 01:20 |
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| * dwalleck spends way too much time looking at tests | 01:20 | |
| hogepodge | Plus the descriptions could be better. | 01:20 |
| eglute | hogepodge dwalleck is it ready to be reviewed? | 01:21 |
| hogepodge | Since the json is generative, anything that can go back to the capabilities json file will help to reduce the hand-editing of the next.json file | 01:21 |
| markvoelker | dwalleck: thanks for having a look. hogepodge: might be useful to have Catherine look at this too, I'll add her | 01:21 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: Thanks for the suggestion on the categorization and tests ... so if we are going to make some changes ... will we start with the spreadsheet? | 01:21 |
| hogepodge | One thing to note is that I'm just capturing existing capabilities/tests. | 01:21 |
| hogepodge | So refactoring the current state. I know that Van wants to add a lot more tests. | 01:21 |
| catherineD | we should decide on which is the source ... | 01:21 |
| hogepodge | Also, zehicle had a good point about how we keep information on removed tests. Maybe a new category in the next.json file that lists them for reference. | 01:22 |
| markvoelker | +1 on limiting this change to refactoring current state | 01:22 |
| eglute | sounds like we should finish with the refactoring and then add new tests separately? | 01:22 |
| hogepodge | eglute: that's what I was thinking | 01:23 |
| dwalleck | that might be easier | 01:23 |
| catherineD | eglute: +1 | 01:23 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge | 01:23 |
| markvoelker | eglute: yes. We have a lot of work to do on adding tests and expect we'll spend some time on that in Austin. =) | 01:23 |
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| hogepodge | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2015-June/000869.html | 01:23 |
| eglute | markvoelker true! | 01:23 |
| markvoelker | Ok, so action is for all of us to review this....anything else on that topic? | 01:24 |
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| markvoelker | #action Everyone please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194975/ | 01:24 |
| eglute | #link midcycle ehterpad for planning purposes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle | 01:25 |
| eglute | agree on need time to review it. | 01:26 |
| eglute | next topic? | 01:26 |
| eglute | #topic review hacking file | 01:26 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/6 | 01:27 |
| eglute | we had action item from the last meeting for everyone to review it | 01:27 |
| markvoelker | eglute: actually https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/7 now. Rob added a new patchset earlier today (in lieu of purp I guess?) | 01:27 |
| eglute | oh sorry, took the link from etherpad | 01:28 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/7 | 01:28 |
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| eglute | has everyone had a chance to look at it? | 01:29 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: since that patchset is so new (just uploaded this morning) I don't think most of us have had a chance to look at it much yet. | 01:29 |
| eglute | ok, so will have an action item for everyone to look it over | 01:30 |
| hogepodge | aside from whitespace issues it's a good start | 01:30 |
| eglute | #action Everyone review and provide feedback https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/7 | 01:30 |
| eglute | are there any points that people would like to discuss now? | 01:30 |
| markvoelker | eglute: I think we still haven't settled the security question | 01:31 |
| hogepodge | I'm actually a bit confused by the language and what it's trying to convey | 01:31 |
| Rockyg | I had reviewed it last week (but wasn't signed in) This is much clearer around D404 | 01:31 |
| markvoelker | Rob said he wanted a security clause, but I actually don't see one in the latest patchset. | 01:31 |
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| markvoelker | But actually since Rob isn't able to be here tonight maybe we should just continue that discussion in gerrit..... | 01:32 |
| eglute | markvoelker you are right, I thought it was included. yes, gerrit comments would be great | 01:32 |
| markvoelker | eglute: ok, so AI for folks to review it and move on? | 01:33 |
| eglute | Rockyg i really like 404 | 01:33 |
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| eglute | markvoelker yes, i already posted AI | 01:33 |
| eglute | #topic strategic test planning | 01:34 |
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| eglute | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2015-June/000818.html | 01:34 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: to me this feels like a thing that would well benefit from some face-to-face discussion in Austin, though I'm happy to continue commenting via email in the interim | 01:35 |
| hogepodge | topic kind of fell flat with the nova/glance discussions going on. | 01:35 |
| hogepodge | I would like to get a sense of how we can start matching tests up to APIs and give guidance to devs as to what defcore means for interop | 01:35 |
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| hogepodge | happy to wait to f2f on this | 01:36 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: as in a list of API request a given test makes? | 01:36 |
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| hogepodge | dwalleck: yes, but also what we really want to support. | 01:37 |
| eglute | hogepodge I think it might help if it was an issue in gerrit, what do you think? | 01:37 |
| eglute | get some discussion that way, and finish in f2f | 01:37 |
| Rockyg | dwalleck:Yeah. Essentially a test coverage/distribution/case analysis and see how we can create a plan and layout that is more effective (from my perspective) | 01:38 |
| hogepodge | If a dev wants to boot a machine with a public IP, what's the interoperable way to do that, for example | 01:38 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: the developer community <-> DefCore relationship is actually one of the most interesting parts of this I think. Whatever happened to the idea of colocating DefCore and QA midcycles? | 01:39 |
| dwalleck | I've been doing some sanity checking over the tests. There might be a way to generate the actual list of requests per test so you can see it step by step | 01:39 |
| Rockyg | User centric use/test cases that translate into the Api work flow | 01:39 |
| eglute | markvoelker co-location didnt work out because QA midcycle was too late/not set | 01:39 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: Tempest logs it, from what I gather | 01:39 |
| dwalleck | Rockyg: +1 to user test cases | 01:39 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: or it can | 01:39 |
| markvoelker | eglute: Bummer, thought that might be the case. | 01:39 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: It does, but it doesn't isolate it per test case I think. There might be something I missed | 01:40 |
| markvoelker | I see a big part of this initiative as needing some buy-in from the Tempest folks, for example. Would be neat if we could set an agenda early enough that we could invite some of them in for that part of the dicussion | 01:40 |
| eglute | markvoelker i think it is in the meeting notes somewhere, I do not remember which meeting though. 2 or 3? | 01:40 |
| Rockyg | dwalleck: maybe you, me and Ievgenia can get together on IRC and plan something out | 01:40 |
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| eglute | markvoelker: good idea. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle | 01:41 |
| dwalleck | Rockyg: sounds good to me! | 01:41 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge: the logs only capture what is logged. The APIs are currently incosistent on reporting. and events are almost totally missed | 01:41 |
| hogepodge | Looking at the qa meeting logs I'm not seeing much discussion on mid cycle yet | 01:42 |
| hogepodge | there are full logs and abbreviated logs of the meetings | 01:42 |
| Rockyg | dwalleck: you've been digging in more. Wanna put together a strawman we can start with? We'll send out email on Defcore list for that irc meet | 01:43 |
| dwalleck | Rockyg: I'm hoping that should be fixable. They are working from one base rest client, so there's a solid injection point. It just has to be used consistently, which is maybe something we can help with | 01:43 |
| eglute | Rockyg dwalleck i think it would be great if you could do that | 01:43 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: no worries, if we can alert those folks to when we'll be talking about it in Austin we could potentially get them to join us via Hangout or whatever (or in person, even). Would be good to hear from them on this. | 01:43 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge: too many logs;-) I was talking test run logs | 01:44 |
| * markvoelker notes we're down to 15 minutes remaining | 01:44 | |
| Rockyg | dwalleck: ++ I'm driving the log improvement effort. Nuff said on this. Next topic? | 01:44 |
| dwalleck | Rockyg: Sure, can do. | 01:45 |
| dwalleck | That makes it easy then :) | 01:45 |
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| hogepodge | Rockyg: I have an engineer looking at capturing the api information, so it's a priority to figure it out | 01:45 |
| eglute | #action Rockyg dwalleck work together on tests and logs | 01:45 |
| eglute | #topic flagged tests | 01:45 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189927/ | 01:46 |
| eglute | this one is still from last week in our notes | 01:47 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: On this one I think the big question was just whether we go ahead and flag it or wait and see if the fixes upstream land | 01:47 |
| hogepodge | I'd like to see if that can be cleared without flagging again since a fix is in progress | 01:47 |
| hogepodge | But if we can't wait then I'm ok with flagging | 01:47 |
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| eglute | hogepodge yes, you are right. | 01:48 |
| markvoelker | If we have somebody waiting for logo certification that needs this, we should flag it (IMO). The remaining upstream fix looks like it could be a while yet. | 01:48 |
| markvoelker | But if it's not actually bothering anyone, no real harm either way | 01:48 |
| * markvoelker notes the remaining patch has been active since March but hasn't yet attracted a +2, so could be a while yet. | 01:49 | |
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| hogepodge | I can try to poke on it | 01:50 |
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| eglute | for certification, people can still certify on the previous defcore cycle as well. | 01:51 |
| markvoelker | eglute: I'd hate to force somebody back to an old version for something that's still broken upstream though. | 01:51 |
| eglute | hogepodge are you getting any requests that are held because of the flagged tests? | 01:52 |
| eglute | markvoelker yes, not ideal | 01:52 |
| hogepodge | no | 01:52 |
| Rockyg | knock on wood | 01:52 |
| markvoelker | E.g. ideally we want lots of people using the same Guideline so we know we've actually got some level of interoperability | 01:52 |
| hogepodge | I only have one pending review. | 01:52 |
| eglute | ok, so not an issue now, hogepodge please raise it if it comes up | 01:53 |
| hogepodge | I can report back next week and we can make a decision. | 01:53 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: the only spec with flagged tests right now is 2015.04 | 01:53 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: just the thing I was going to bring up next =) | 01:53 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge | 01:54 |
| hogepodge | To start I'd like us to remove the tests that are flagged and won't be part of the standard | 01:54 |
| hogepodge | But that also means considering adding a new field of permanently removed tests, which I think would be good to prevent test/flag churn. | 01:54 |
| hogepodge | I'm also ok with not waiting for fixes too. | 01:55 |
| eglute | ok, time check: 5 min. next topic? | 01:56 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: in related news, we have no flags in 2015.05 even though we know we probably should. I'll put up some patches for that this week. | 01:56 |
| catherineD | since 2015.05 is the only spec for Kilo, without flagged tests in 2105.05 ... we won't be able to certify Kilo | 01:56 |
| hogepodge | Can we have an action for everyone to start reviewing the flagged changes? | 01:56 |
| eglute | #action Everyone start reviewing flagged changes | 01:56 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: agreed, was just discussing this w/hogepodge earlier in the week. We're behind on some housekeeping and I'll start working on that this week | 01:57 |
| hogepodge | particularly for tests that we want to remove flags on. I'd like for those who were running into troubles to check to see if it's ok to remove the flags | 01:57 |
| hogepodge | (I removed my -1 on the ssh tests) | 01:57 |
| eglute | #topic capabilities review | 01:57 |
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| eglute | we had not reviewed capabilities yet in IRC meeting, do you think we need a separate meeting? | 01:58 |
| * markvoelker throws in a quick promo for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193727/ while we're talking housekeeping | 01:58 | |
| eglute | I think we always run out of time | 01:58 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I can review my patches to target 05 too | 01:58 |
| hogepodge | s/review/revise | 01:58 |
| markvoelker | eglute: Also a thing I've been thinking about. So far the combined meeting hasn't really allotted any time, but we are a bit early yet accorindg ot the 2015A timeline | 01:59 |
| markvoelker | I think maybe we just need to set aside some time in the next couple of meetings to divvy up the work of identifying new capabilities amongst ourselves. | 01:59 |
| eglute | catherineD Rockyg hogepodge dwalleck what do you think? | 01:59 |
| eglute | markvoelker i think that could work too | 02:00 |
| dwalleck | That might be a good idea so we have the time to focus | 02:00 |
| markvoelker | Then later we can converge with patches in gerrit and add contentious ones to the agenda here. If we're spending a lot of time on that, we'll break out a meeting. | 02:00 |
| catherineD | agreed | 02:00 |
| eglute | would it be helpful to start an email thread so people start reviewing? | 02:00 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. That sounds possible. I think we will eventually need a separate meeting to wrap it up, though. | 02:01 |
| eglute | Rockyg I think you might be right | 02:01 |
| eglute | we are once again out of time- anything else you want to discuss while we are here? | 02:02 |
| eglute | thank you everyone! | 02:03 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 02:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 02:03:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-06-25-01.00.html | 02:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-06-25-01.00.txt | 02:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-06-25-01.00.log.html | 02:03 |
| Rockyg | thanks all! | 02:03 |
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| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk | 14:02 |
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| lone-rager | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 14:02:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:02 | |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:02 |
| lakshmiS_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:02 | |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 14:02 |
| ajayaa | o/ | 14:02 |
| harshs | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:03 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:03 |
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| nikhil_k | Welcome all | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:03 | |
| agalkin | o/ | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | #info Liberty-1 released on Tuesday. We had decent number of bug fixes done. | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/liberty-1 | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | There isn't much listed on Liberty-2 atm, #link http://status.openstack.org/release/ | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | Guess, first thing we need to do is plan features that need to merge by then | 14:06 |
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| nikhil_k | Please bring those up in the drivers meeting, so that people can prioritize and review them accordingly | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | rather what we can merge by then | 14:07 |
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| nikhil_k | yes | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Other Glance related meetings | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other Glance related meetings (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:07 | |
| nikhil_k | To bring those up | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | see, #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Glance_Drivers_Meeting | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | and #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Glance_Artifacts_Sub-Team_Meeting | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | Will move on if nothing else | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | just ref those two | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | can we dedicate 2x 5min timeslots of the start of this meeting from now on to sunc updates from the previous Driver and Artifact meetings? | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | #startvote should we have? -- 2x 5min timeslots of the start of this meeting from now on to sunc updates from the previous Driver and Artifact meetings | 14:10 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we have? Valid vote options are --, 2x, 5min, timeslots, of, the, start, of, this, meeting, from, now, on, to, sunc, updates, from, the, previous, Driver, and, Artifact, meetings. | 14:10 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | #vote yes | 14:10 |
| openstack | nikhil_k: yes is not a valid option. Valid options are --, 2x, 5min, timeslots, of, the, start, of, this, meeting, from, now, on, to, sunc, updates, from, the, previous, Driver, and, Artifact, meetings. | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | #vote yes | 14:10 |
| openstack | jokke_: yes is not a valid option. Valid options are --, 2x, 5min, timeslots, of, the, start, of, this, meeting, from, now, on, to, sunc, updates, from, the, previous, Driver, and, Artifact, meetings. | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | lol | 14:10 |
| kragniz | that's a lot of options you've got there | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | #endvote | 14:10 |
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| openstack | Voted on "should we have?" Results are | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | #startvote should we have, 2x 5min timeslots of the start of this meeting from now on to sunc updates from the previous Driver and Artifact meetings ? | 14:11 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we have, 2x 5min timeslots of the start of this meeting from now on to sunc updates from the previous Driver and Artifact meetings ? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:11 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| mclaren | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| kragniz | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| harshs | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| agalkin | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | #endvote | 14:12 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we have, 2x 5min timeslots of the start of this meeting from now on to sunc updates from the previous Driver and Artifact meetings ?" Results are | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | #action nikhil_k : change the format of the meeting to have those time slots | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | #action all: read the logs and keep agenda of the Glance weekly meeting updated ( https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda ) | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | more? | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | #topic glance-quota-enhancements | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glance-quota-enhancements (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:14 | |
| jokke_ | thanks | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | harshs: please go ahead | 14:14 |
| harshs | thanks nikhil_k | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | #action harshs : create a spec for that BP | 14:14 |
| harshs | this is the blueprint | 14:14 |
| harshs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/glance-quota-enhancements | 14:14 |
| harshs | just wanted to know thoughts from the folks | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://github.com/openstack/glance-specs/ | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | Quotas are racy (very very racy) | 14:15 |
| harshs | :) | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | Plus they can be really tricky if you wanna ensure across services | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | Nova is doing some work around this | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | The idea scenario is we have a openstack wide quota lib | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | they are also really really wanted across the userspace | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | ideal* | 14:15 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: has there been any progress on that front? | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | harshs: we should sycn with Nova PTL to see how much traction we can get there. I think we need them | 14:16 |
| harshs | nikhil_k: ok. makes sense | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: Only on abstract level. we need people for making it happen that's all :) | 14:16 |
| harshs | right | 14:17 |
| mclaren | yeah I think other services eg cinder have done their own thing so I wouldn't be against us not waiting for a global thing | 14:17 |
| harshs | also as far as i know there isn’t still a consensus on the common quota lib front or is there? | 14:17 |
| mclaren | are these per-user quotas? | 14:17 |
| harshs | mclaren: per user or per tenant | 14:18 |
| mclaren | cool | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | mclaren:++ | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | we've waited long enough | 14:18 |
| mclaren | would they be for v1/v2/v3 or common to all? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | please, lets stop adding stuff to v1 :D | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | I think we don't want any more feature richness in v1 | 14:18 |
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| mclaren | ok, so if you want quotas you have to disable v1? | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: I think we have to start deprecation path for v1 very soon nonethelss | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: I do agree, but as long as v1 is the only one Nova is using, it really does not help to enforce the quotas only on the later ones :D | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | there's some buzz happeing around defcore | 14:19 |
| mclaren | sure, just trying to understand the big picture | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: we MUST move away from Nova using v1 this cycle | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | personally I think any quotas should be api version agnostic | 14:20 |
| mfedosin | I remember Jay Pipes's promise to switch nova to v2 at the weekend :) | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: right but there are efforts on changing that for Liberty and as long as we keep saying: "We'll add this to v1 because nova is sitll using it" we won't ever move away from v1 | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | You want quotas? Oh look, v2 has them | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:20 |
| harshs | :) | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | which gives this spec even more value | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: cool! I have your writting proxy now :P | 14:21 |
| mclaren | yeah I think that's fine. Perhaps an incentive to swifch off v1 | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | but yeah, I agree they should be as agnostic as possible | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | written* | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ofc, as that approach has worked so well :P | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: what do we have that v1 doesn't? Except for tasks (that require writing json on the CLI) and fewer bugs ? | 14:22 |
| mclaren | so we target v2, but try to keep v3 in mind with the design? | 14:22 |
| * flaper87 won't get into the v1/v2 war now | 14:22 | |
| nikhil_k | +1 mclaren | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | mclaren++ | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: you are on a roll | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | _but_ actual details on that bp ... do we track difference between image and snapshot? I did not think so | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | harshs: please bring this up in the artifacts meeting | 14:22 |
| harshs | nikhil_k: sure | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | moving on | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | so regarding the actual proposal I think snapshot quotas needs to be implemented on Nova & Cinder as they actually know what the image is they are creating/uploading | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Glance-api and ceph ( mfedosin ) | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance-api and ceph ( mfedosin ) (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:24 | |
| mfedosin | hi, folks | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186780/ | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | I want to discuss one thing with you about ceph backend. | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | Some time ago our QAs played with it (like switched on and off) and at some point ceph stopped to answer. | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | When they tried to upload an image there with glance, glance-api hanged with no response. | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | I figured out what it was - cinder guys had the same problem. | 14:25 |
| mfedosin | Actually two problems: | 14:25 |
| mfedosin | 1. We don't have connection timeout with it. | 14:25 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103424 | 14:25 |
| mfedosin | 2. And since RBD is a python binding for librados it isn't patched by eventlet. | 14:26 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175555/ | 14:26 |
| mfedosin | Combination of these two issues leads to infinite hangup of glance-api, if there is no response from the ceph-server. | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | :( | 14:27 |
| mfedosin | only restart helps | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | 1) I'm all up to putting timeouts on all those calls | 14:27 |
| mfedosin | I started to work on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186780/ | 14:27 |
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| mfedosin | but it seems like we need massive refactoring of the driver | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | like creating a single method for getting a connection, because currently it happens in every method. | 14:28 |
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| mfedosin | Is it okay and can you review it after it's done, because I'm not so familiar with ceph? | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | 2) I think we need to address this somehow, BUT I'm not really fond of starting to spin up threads for all kind of blocking things that the current eventlet approach can't handle ... this is again one of those things that we need to add to the list adding weight to get rid of eventlet | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | == jokke_ 2) | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: why do you think a major rewrite is needed ? | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, not so much actually | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to involve rdb folks on this | 14:30 |
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| mfedosin | just a single method for getting a connection | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | which works with timeout | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, thanks! | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: the purpose of limiting thread size is dissolved if we create another pool | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: please, keep me posted and I'd like to review it | 14:31 |
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| nikhil_k | this needs a security eval from operators actually using rbd | 14:31 |
| mfedosin | separate threads is not necessary, it's just an improvement | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | s/thread size/thread pool size/g | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: can we start with just the timeout for now | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | I think we shouldnt' create a separate pool | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | I think it'd be better to keep these patches separate | 14:32 |
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| flaper87 | just to make sure we have a "Panic Revert Exit" | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | that is clearer | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | definitely | 14:32 |
| mfedosin | okay, let's start with timeout, because second part is easy | 14:32 |
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| flaper87 | mfedosin: awesome, thanks for working on this | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | I wasn't aware of this issue | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: do we have a way to replicate it? | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | Also I think I should file a bug in launchpad, based on the information fro the QAs | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | (that doesn't imply mocking) | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: please do :-) | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | until this is really evaluated I'm more than happy to -2 any patch that starts spinning up wild threads from glance ;) | 14:33 |
| stevelle | wild threads in their natural environment | 14:34 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic test coverage ( agalkin ) | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "test coverage ( agalkin ) (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:34 | |
| nikhil_k | agalkin: you're not kidding! | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | okay, I will say a couple of words here | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | so, about test coverage... | 14:35 |
| mfedosin | It's very low, you know :) | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | agalkin: what feedback/help do you need from us? I think this is a good start. | 14:35 |
| mfedosin | And Alexey Galkin is eager to improve it. | 14:35 |
| mfedosin | So I think he's going to write a small etherpad document, that describes concrete steps of what will be done. | 14:35 |
| mclaren | do we have any stats? | 14:36 |
| mfedosin | agalkin, am I right? | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | can someone tell me what is the test coverage on glance - artifacts + indexing (as in searchlight) | 14:36 |
| mfedosin | 38% currently | 14:36 |
| agalkin | mfedosin, yes you are right | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | glance - (artifacts + indexing) is 38% ? | 14:36 |
| mfedosin | I thinks these stats about v1 and v2 excluding artifacts and stuff | 14:37 |
| agalkin | <nikhil_k>, without artifacts | 14:37 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k, yes | 14:37 |
| mclaren | v1 versus v2 would be interesting | 14:37 |
| mfedosin | agalkin, can you compare v1 and v2 too? | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | agalkin: would love to know more on the details of the stats. I think functional coverage might be way lower so that a big concern | 14:38 |
| agalkin | <mfedosin> well, I'll try | 14:39 |
| mfedosin | agalkin, thank you! please, provide as much stat information as you can in your etherpad | 14:39 |
| mfedosin | so we can discuss it on the next meeting | 14:40 |
| mfedosin | Actually one question: do we need a blueprint on this, or just etherpad + irc discussions is enough? | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | etherpad + irc | 14:40 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k, okay, get you | 14:41 |
| mfedosin | so, that's all for now. thanks for your responses | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:41 | |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: is your travel looking tentative (still) ? (for mid-cycle) | 14:42 |
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| mclaren | did we finalize a date? | 14:43 |
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| * jokke_ is wondering what the heck our tests are testing ... glance/ -tests/ is around 49k lines and tests is around 58k lines | 14:43 | |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: june 28-30 | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | err | 14:43 |
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| nikhil_k | july 28-30 | 14:44 |
| mclaren | ah, ok, thanks. | 14:45 |
| bpoulos | have we finalized a location? | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | Because we seem to have tentatively very low particiation from outside of US, and a lot!! of people wanted to have mid-cycle in Blacksburg, we will conduct there | 14:45 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: I may be able to make that but I'm not fussy on location at all | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | but since a lot of the active members are busy and find it hard to travel during these dates/venue and we have an incresibly tough scheduling problem | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | we will limit our decisions on the important specs unless people have good experience with video conferencing tool | 14:47 |
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| nikhil_k | I have chatted witht he repr there and they are willing to support the same req | 14:47 |
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| nikhil_k | The problem now is of time slots for important sessions/topic | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: thanks! | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: Blacksburg as in Blacksburg, Virginia? | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | ruding for you and flaper87 to join the same | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | and others who said that it was not likely (before) | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yes | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: Washington and Atlanta being closest airports? That place looks like really interesting to get in to :P | 14:50 |
| bpoulos | Charlotte is closer | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: CLT | 14:50 |
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| nikhil_k | if people are flying into CLT, I can arrange for ride-share (by someone who is attending the same) | 14:51 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: yeah the end half of July & August are normally bad times for Europeans as they are either on holidays or crazy busy covering someone who is on holidays on top of their own job | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | gotcha | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | I thought it would be a bad idea to postpone it beyond July considering the cycle is small | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | early in the July did not work out for a long time | 14:54 |
| mclaren | yeah, it's a lot of folks from a lot of places to try to co-ordinate | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I'm not blaming, just stating the most probable reason for your note not seeing much attendance out of US | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | Since, we had the past couple of mid-cycle in summer during this period, I figured it might be a good possiblity. | 14:55 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: what's the defcore buzz you mentioned earlier? | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: gotcha. Thanks, I am a little fried and burned by this scheduling experience :P | 14:55 |
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| nikhil_k | mclaren: the problem is that people want a single API that needs to be supported for a really long time | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | something that can't be deprecated (forever) | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | people are asking which is that API | 14:56 |
| mclaren | yeah | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | plus we moved v1 to supported and v2 to current now | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | Nova still needs v1 | 14:57 |
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| nikhil_k | that can be confusing for operators who have upgraded to kilo | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | on top of that | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | we have 2 ways to do upload and downloads | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: wasn't it just v1 from current to supported? IIUC both of them were stated as current for long time | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | so the tempest tests for defcore need to pass for all clouds on that sigle API defined necessary for interop | 14:58 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: it's just our plan for moving away from supported that's confusing | 14:58 |
| mclaren | I guess a v3 adds to the buzz? | 14:59 |
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| nikhil_k | moving away from supported == deprecating the API | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | not at this point | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | but could be | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | it's the tasks that is the problem, actually | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | I think the problem becomes if v3 starts to support images at some point | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | the wrapping of the v2 APi on top of v3 can help with that | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | if we get nova, cinder, horizon using v2 and kick v1 out, I think defcore would be perfectly happy to be told that that is de facto images api | 15:00 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil_k, we're thinking about that | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: +1 on nova, cinder, horizon using v2 | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | kicking out v1 would be tricky but possible | 15:01 |
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| nikhil_k | thanks mfedosin | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, we are out of time | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 15:01 |
| mclaren | thanks! | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 15:01:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-06-25-14.02.html | 15:01 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: that's different topic ... this was the imaginary way to satisfyy defcore's one eternal api wish | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-06-25-14.02.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-06-25-14.02.log.html | 15:01 |
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| jokke_ | thanks! | 15:01 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 15:02:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 15:02 |
| TravT | #chair nikhil_k | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: TravT nikhil_k | 15:02 |
| TravT | hey nikhil_k | 15:02 |
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| nikhil_k | hi TravT | 15:02 |
| kragniz | o/ | 15:02 |
| lakshmiS_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | Hope you had a great trip | 15:02 |
| TravT | well, i'm about 20 minutes back into work... | 15:02 |
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| TravT | always rough to get going again | 15:03 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:03 |
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| sjmc7 | o/ | 15:03 |
| TravT | ok | 15:03 |
| TravT | so, looks like the first #topic is mid cycle meetup | 15:04 |
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| TravT | nikhil_k, any updates on this? | 15:04 |
| TravT | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mid-cycle meetup (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:05 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda/q | 15:05 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 15:05 |
| nikhil_k | The Glance mid-cycle is planned to be in BLacksburg, VA July 28-30 | 15:05 |
| TravT | david-lyle: horizon is finalized for July 21 - 23rd in Fort Collins, right? | 15:05 |
| david-lyle | correct | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | There was a lot of demand from US folks who showed interest in attending and in Blakcsburg so we went ahead with that plan | 15:06 |
| TravT | so, we won't have the overlap that would have helped with travel planning coordination. | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | I have asked for video conferencing capability and from experience it works very well in Blacksburg | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | +1 TravT | 15:07 |
| TravT | kragniz, laskhmiS_: you guys couldn't travel anyway, right? | 15:07 |
| lakshmiS_ | yes | 15:07 |
| kragniz | TravT: likely | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | As a lot of the european folks aren't showing the possiblity of attending during that time frame (for travel and other reasons) we will have it remote heavy | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | But I request everyone to please try and attend personally if possible! | 15:08 |
| TravT | so, the question is whether or not we should try to do a one day searchlight meetup at the same time in blacksburg? | 15:09 |
| TravT | or if we should do a morning or two of virtual conferences (US morning) | 15:09 |
| nikhil_k | That would be fantastic but like GLance we can agree to not make important decisions if people aren't able to attend (Even remotely) | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | Having people personally will help with some face to face time and rapport building | 15:10 |
| TravT | sjmc7 how are things looking for you? | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | manager's been on vacation til today. i am 100% certain i could get clearance to travel to FC for the horizon one, not sure about VA | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | Also, if someone is planning to fly into CLT we can arrange for ride-sharing (With someone attending the meetup) | 15:11 |
| TravT | i think some of the best value we could get is if we do some pair programming. | 15:11 |
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| TravT | david-lyle: what is your availability? | 15:12 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure I can make it to VA :( | 15:13 |
| TravT | ok, so it sounds like we need to all have a discussion with our managers. | 15:13 |
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| TravT | nikhil_k, is this tied to the interest, time, virtual meetings topic up next? | 15:14 |
| TravT | or is that separate? | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: yes | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | it's the same, just wanted some feedback | 15:15 |
| nikhil_k | Basically, the only reason the announcement is not on the ML is to check any red flags | 15:15 |
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| nikhil_k | The homework to schedule it in Blacksburg has been mostly done | 15:15 |
| TravT | ok, well, I can probably get to blacksburg if we can get a few other people there. | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | and I am too tired now to think about rescheduling :) | 15:16 |
| TravT | but I think all of this is tied to another topic | 15:16 |
| TravT | #topic Liberty 2 Release Plan | 15:16 |
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| TravT | If we hope to have something usuable in liberty, we need to make some solid progress on implementing some blueprints in Liberty 2 | 15:17 |
| TravT | I guess first of all, there are 3 blueprints on liberty-1 | 15:18 |
| TravT | #link https://launchpad.net/searchlight/+milestone/liberty-1 | 15:18 |
| TravT | lakshmiS, sjmc7, kragniz: are they all implemented? | 15:18 |
| TravT | or do we need to move any of them to liberty 2? | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: I checked with rel-mgrs the other day and they are cool with the team releasing it's own milestone(s) in Liberty timeframe. We dont' have to stick to the common schedule | 15:18 |
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| sjmc7 | 1 and 2 are, TravT | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | not sure about whether the code's out of glance yet | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | So, may be we just pick a date and call it Liberty-0.1 or something | 15:19 |
| TravT | sjmc7: can you update the status | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: it's not yet. (last time I checked) | 15:19 |
| TravT | nikhil_k: what are the pros and cons? | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | pro: we don't have to wait. something is out is good for real world testing and getting interested poeple using it beta | 15:20 |
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| nikhil_k | cons: we have to keep track of the dates and rel-mgmt ourselves and it doesn't happen in batch mode | 15:20 |
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| lakshmiS_ | but i think it should be an easy task to remove the code | 15:21 |
| TravT | hmm... so are you saying maybe we'd do like a 0.1 and then go back to standard milestones? | 15:21 |
| lakshmiS_ | since its isolated | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | pro: we can work on fixing packaging issues offline and not in the gate (& other rush) during peak rel periods | 15:21 |
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| TravT | david-lyle: what should we consider from a horizon consumption of searchlight perspective when it comes to releases? | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | cons: we may hav eto resolve packing woes ourselves and get less help from the experts working upstream already | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: yeah, I think we can go with 0.1 as alpha and may be a 0.2 beta followed with Liberty overall for beta-prod | 15:22 |
| david-lyle | Horizon will likely only consume a client if there is one and the version for that can be anything | 15:23 |
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| david-lyle | if there's not, they dependency wise, I suppose we don't have one | 15:23 |
| david-lyle | s/they/then/ | 15:23 |
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| david-lyle | just make the API calls and hope for the best | 15:23 |
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| nikhil_k | :) | 15:23 |
| TravT | david-lyle: we need to talk through the whole client concept and see if we would initially write direct queries from horizon. | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | we can make available the code from the summit demo if that'd help discussion | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | i think it's on github | 15:24 |
| david-lyle | I think initially it's fine to make direct calls | 15:24 |
| TravT | sjcm7: yep, i was planning on syncing up with you and kelly on that in the next day or so | 15:24 |
| david-lyle | the API shouldn't be overly complex to need a wrapper | 15:24 |
| david-lyle | and we can adjust later if necessary | 15:25 |
| nikhil_k | ++ | 15:25 |
| david-lyle | but in that case, if searchlight shows up in the service catalog, we'll expose it in horizon, otherwise no | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | again, we had some PoC code to do that that might be good to start conversation | 15:26 |
| david-lyle | sjmc7: are you saying it's a mess ;) | 15:26 |
| TravT | sjmc7: definitely, i want to start working from some of that code in horizon. was going to open a proper blueprint on the horizon side. | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | it's charming and rough around the edges | 15:27 |
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| TravT | david-lyle: was thinking of first opening a blueprint to angularize images table. | 15:27 |
| TravT | and start working on that | 15:27 |
| TravT | and then adding the searchlight integration for images first | 15:28 |
| TravT | since it is in theory ready for images | 15:28 |
| TravT | and then do instances | 15:28 |
| david-lyle | good to use what's there rather than what's not | 15:28 |
| david-lyle | ++ | 15:28 |
| TravT | but hopefully instances BP will be ready soon. | 15:28 |
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| TravT | so, we can swing back around on this tangent | 15:29 |
| TravT | nikhil_k on releases, what all is involved? | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: if we do it ourselves, getting the script that does the tagging of bugs | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | we will hav eto manually update BPs | 15:30 |
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| nikhil_k | also, rel notes are written by the PTL so that | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | requirements check | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | stable branch | 15:31 |
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| nikhil_k | and setting up backports etc tags in BP to help keep track of stuff | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | minor things | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | but many | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | these are two edged swords, it used by openstack rel-mgrs then we would always be in a rush. but if we do it personally then a bit of work | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | s/it/if/g | 15:32 |
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| david-lyle | release mgmt should still help us even if we pick an open release schedule | 15:32 |
| TravT | ok, so, if we wait until liberty 2, they'd take care of a number of the above? | 15:32 |
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| nikhil_k | david-lyle: I hope so, they said that team should do it on its own schedule for newer projects | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | be parting of the integrated 6 month release is no longer a requirement | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | can't type | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | being part | 15:33 |
| TravT | ok, well, it seems like even if we try to line up with liberty 2, that we should start heading in that direction sooner than later. | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | incubated projects in the past also set their own milestones | 15:34 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: may be. the tone of the response seemed tentative as there is a lot of work as is with so many older projects | 15:34 |
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| david-lyle | nikhil_k: hedging against overload | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | My feeling was that we have something out soon-ish for people to start consuming it and that might be worth one realse on our own | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | david-lyle: yeah, I understand | 15:35 |
| TravT | ok, so we should try to do that. | 15:35 |
| TravT | #action nikhil_k, TravT work on release plan | 15:36 |
| TravT | So let's talk about important bp | 15:36 |
| TravT | #topic Important BPs | 15:36 |
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| TravT | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:36 |
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| nikhil_k | sorry, I forgot to add my name | 15:37 |
| TravT | go ahead nikhil_k | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | but feel free to go ahead | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:37 |
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| nikhil_k | Was curious if we can work on the devstack bit first and setup tests | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | having a good working dev environment doesn't hurt | 15:38 |
| TravT | i would definitely like to see us get devstack in right away | 15:38 |
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| TravT | ekarlso: wko | 15:38 |
| TravT | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194251/ | 15:38 |
| wko | yes | 15:38 |
| TravT | wko, have you had a chance to look over the above? | 15:39 |
| wko | only just | 15:39 |
| TravT | since you had catalog index service working for glance | 15:39 |
| TravT | ok, well, i just saw it right before the meeting. I will look through it later today. | 15:41 |
| TravT | sjmc7, looks like you've already given it a once over | 15:41 |
| wko | it looks different to me, but, sorta the same | 15:41 |
| TravT | there is some question about whether devstack should be under contrib folder or not | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | yeah - i didn't have a chance to run it yet. there were some things i noted in the review but it follows the template of other projects fairly closely | 15:41 |
| TravT | i see that karlso might have done that because it provides some symmetry with the vagrant file | 15:42 |
| TravT | but, if we could all make it a priority to look over it, run it, review it, that'd be best. | 15:43 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, what other items did you have on this topic? | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | I haven't had a chance to look at the possiblity of us using tempest-lib. this would mean we have intergration tests in the repo and not use the functional tests concept in glance (which is flawed anyways as it does a lot of integration testing). I am a bit caught up in nova using glance v2 work and that may take a bit of time in the coming weeks. Should we just play it by ear and go ahead with sjmc7's plan to port functional tests to SL? | 15:44 |
| TravT | what this in last week's meeting? | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 15:45 |
| TravT | i need to catch up on that | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, we didn't make a decision | 15:46 |
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| nikhil_k | no worries, just throwing it out there | 15:46 |
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| sjmc7 | the tests i had did were mainly to exercise RBAC | 15:47 |
| sjmc7 | i don't think it had a requirement on keystone or any other services | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, it uses fake auth | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | which is terrible | 15:47 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | but so are other things in glance :) | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | it means they run as functional tests, rather than requiring a full stack | 15:48 |
| * nikhil_k pretends he did not just say that :P | 15:48 | |
| TravT | so, i thought integration testing was becoming more a responsibility within projects? | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | slowly | 15:48 |
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| nikhil_k | sjmc7: yeah, but they spin up a server process | 15:48 |
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| nikhil_k | so it's kinda really in the middle | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | and have it's own config, rbac etc setup | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | within the repo | 15:49 |
| TravT | sjmc7 what would be your recommendation here? | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | ultimately, we need tempest tests | 15:50 |
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| sjmc7 | we can't do that until we're integrated properly, and until then i think there's value in having tests that run against elasticsearch | 15:50 |
| TravT | i agree with that | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | whether we invest the time doing it is another question | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | versus getting into tempest asap | 15:51 |
| TravT | if we don't have tests that run against elastic search, i'm not sure how we'd have any level on confidence | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: I agree with you. if we all can agree to not maintain functional tests in the repo and use tempest later, it would be really nice | 15:52 |
| TravT | seems reasonable to me. | 15:53 |
| TravT | hate to rush us, but this is still on topic. nikhil_k where are you in looking at a nova plugin? | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | haven't started yet :( | 15:53 |
| TravT | kragniz, lakshmiS, do you have any plugin work started on swift? | 15:53 |
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| nikhil_k | I can take a look late next week, (after coming abck from travel) but wouldn;t have status in the next meeting. | 15:54 |
| lakshmiS_ | stuart was asking for info from a spec which has similar requirement | 15:54 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, do you want sjmc7 to post his initial nova plugin and then you guys (kragniz, lakshmiS) as well, could collaborate on it from there? | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | i couldn't find any evidence swift sends notifications at the moment | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | with the defcore stuff in glance/nova images, I couldnt get a chance to ask John | 15:54 |
| lakshmiS_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180918 is the spec which will send notications | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: that would work | 15:55 |
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| lakshmiS_ | hopefully we can get them to use searchlight instead and let them develop the notifications | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | TravT, nikhil_k - you want me to push a review up with the nova work from the summit and hand it over? | 15:55 |
| TravT | sjmc7, that sounds good. maybe you guys can co-author on it. I'm sure lakshmiS can contribute as well. | 15:56 |
| TravT | just want to see us start getting other data in from other services. | 15:56 |
| TravT | we also, need somebody to start looking at neutron | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: sounds good | 15:57 |
| TravT | #topic Adding an entrypoint for the agent process, potentially renaming searchlight-index because it's confusing | 15:57 |
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| TravT | sjmc7 | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | this was me! | 15:57 |
| TravT | not much time | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | i'll be brief | 15:57 |
| TravT | sorry | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | i think endre had some confusion (understably) about the searchlight-index entrypoint | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | which in fact is more akin to glance-manage | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | rather than being the notification indexing service | 15:58 |
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| sjmc7 | so we a) need an entry point for agent_notifications | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | and b) i suggest renaming searchlight-index to searchlight-manage or something similar | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | and using searchlight-monitor or -agent or -listener for the daemon processes | 15:59 |
| TravT | no -monitor | 15:59 |
| sjmc7 | -listener might be best | 15:59 |
| TravT | too many impleications | 15:59 |
| TravT | -listener sounds pretty good | 15:59 |
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| nikhil_k | +1 -listener | 15:59 |
| nikhil_k | and on searchlight-manage | 15:59 |
| TravT | i'm +1 on that as well | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | how about searchlight-ctrl | 16:00 |
| sjmc7 | i'll file a BP and make the change if nobody objects within a day or so | 16:00 |
| TravT | yeah, BP would be best | 16:00 |
| TravT | thanks everybody | 16:00 |
| sjmc7 | nikhil_k - i'll post the BP in a bit | 16:00 |
| TravT | we are out of time. | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | thanks! | 16:00 |
| sjmc7 | make suggestions there | 16:00 |
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| nikhil_k | sjmc7: sure | 16:00 |
| sjmc7 | thanks TravtT | 16:00 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 16:00:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-06-25-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-06-25-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-06-25-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
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| cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 16:01:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | moo. | 16:01 |
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| rromans | . | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | we have lots of ground to cover today so we're skipping the formalities. | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | o/ everyone | 16:02 |
| b3rnard0 | hello | 16:02 |
| cloudnull | #topic Defining the project mission - odyssey4me | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/191105 | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | sorry I'm late, now present | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | did you want to talk about "Defining the project mission" | 16:03 |
| hughsaunders | hey | 16:03 |
| palendae | Present | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | specifically - Is our mission to deploy OpenStack (just OpenStack services), or to deploy whole OpenStack environment (OpenStack and all supporting infrastructure)? Where do we draw the line? | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | IMO i think its the later. we build a batteries included stack for use in production. | 16:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | good question | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | Sure, I just wanted to raise the questions set out in the agenda and have us discuss them again. It seems that we didn't quite get to a conclusion before and we're being inconsistent already | 16:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | with infra (such as galera) is more opinionated, but its easier to guarantee a working product when you do those things | 16:05 |
| hughsaunders | cloudnull: I think the focus is on openstack, but we should be able to deploy all thats needed to get it to work. | 16:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you say 'have a sql database' who knows what you're getting into | 16:05 |
| palendae | How much of openstack? | 16:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | could be mariadb, could be postgres, maybe redundant, maybe not | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | I don't have strong feelings either way, but I would like us to be clear on what we're about so that we can use the principle as a backing for reviews and spec decisions. | 16:06 |
| palendae | For instance...mongo for ceilometer | 16:06 |
| hughsaunders | I think we could probably focus more on openstack by reusing other people's bits for infra, however that always sounds easier than it is. | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | there always the option of making it an option | 16:06 |
| palendae | I know others have expressed opinions on it before, just pointing out that deploying what openstack needs to work also leaves the question of what parts of openstack do we care about? | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | As a for instance, we could easily draw the ELK stack roles back into the project as they are OpenStack focused and developed for this stack... | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | just dont run the infra plays. if you dont, here's a set of prereqs | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | Im with hughsaunders that if we can consume upstream other things we should do that, however I've not found roles that are "better" than what we already have . | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | which we could replace | 16:07 |
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| git-harry | I'd like to see use break some of the roles out | 16:07 |
| git-harry | *us | 16:07 |
| git-harry | I've always thought osad should be a consumer of roles not an owner of them | 16:08 |
| hughsaunders | #note git-harry spoke in a meeting | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | Sure, I think we could do better at breaking the roles out into their own repositories and posting them into galaxy. This would be especially useful for infra-type roles which could be used for other deployments. | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | hughsaunders: lol | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | however, my question related a lot more to whether our focus is on deploying openstack... or are we going the whole hog of also facilitating pinning, package additions/removals, host setups, networking setups, etc | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | these all support an openstack environment, but aren't essential | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | ... to include in this project | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | once we move we'll have the ability to create new repos as needed, which will help facilitate moving roles into stand alone repos as needed. | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | ah. i read the question wrong, odyssey4me | 16:10 |
| git-harry | odyssey4me: that's where I see osad as a ref implementation. So all the roles should be broken out and then osad is essentially a way to test them | 16:10 |
| git-harry | It's never going to be all things to all people | 16:11 |
| git-harry | by breaking all the roles out it makes most of the project easy to consume by others | 16:11 |
| git-harry | s/easy/easier/ | 16:11 |
| hughsaunders | this is presumably why we don't do pxe - so we can fit in with existing provisioning systems | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | git-harry yes, perhaps actually a role break-out is the way to show people how to be more flexible and consume other roles | 16:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | so... back to the idea of saying you can use our infra roles or you need to meet a set of prereqs that the openstack roles expect? | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: in that sense i say no. we dont do pxe booting of hosts / network setup / pinning of system packages. | 16:11 |
| hughsaunders | does mean we can't win rule the stack though :/ | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: that sounds like more of a per-deployer task (like rpc) | 16:12 |
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| cloudnull | ++ | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | unless its something that impacts openstack itself | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | hughsaunders: we can rule the stack, just bring your own pxe system | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:12 |
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| hughsaunders | cloudnull: :) | 16:12 |
| svg | o/ | 16:13 |
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| * svg struggling to get online on it train | 16:13 | |
| odyssey4me | my concern is really down to the question of where we draw the line | 16:13 |
| hughsaunders | svg: are you visiting the uk? | 16:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: i dont think we need to draw a line, just provide options? | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | if our arms are too wide open then we risk bit rot | 16:13 |
| svg | *gr* | 16:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | "heres what we test, if your stuff meets or exceeds the expectations, you can do your own thing for any part of it" | 16:14 |
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| odyssey4me | perhaps we should shift the question to where we draw the line in terms of testing things that get added | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | i think its safe to say that we will do some host tuning and that we will have to interact with host machines however I dont think that we do anything in terms of provisioning. | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | we probably need a) more contributors b) more contributors with specialization in things like galera | 16:15 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull and what if someone decides to submit patches for provisioning | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | "we do software" | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | host provisioning sounds pretty generic | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | in big tent i'd say those get moved to a new repo. | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | they can be used for anything | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | but odyssey4me would that be ansible provisioning ? | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | or ansible setting up a provisioning system ? | 16:16 |
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| cloudnull | that is later used to boot strap hosts? | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull alright, I think essentially if we adopt the strategy of breaking out the roles then we're not creating first and second class citizens | 16:16 |
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| odyssey4me | which would then mean that we accept all the things, but we only test against a reference set of configurations and roles.... any other roles need to be tested individually | 16:17 |
| palendae | Yeah, providing reference configurations would be helpful there | 16:18 |
| palendae | Here's an AIO test, here's a 3 node test, here's a 5 | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | this is likely. and we're probably going to have to revise our test scripts to facilitate better testing of those roles. | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | and add more jobs | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | IE stand alone keystone, keystone + swift, all the things, etc. . | 16:19 |
| palendae | Yeah | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | yup | 16:19 |
| palendae | infra said they could support multi-node tests at summit, too | 16:19 |
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| palendae | But there'll be some networking monkeying we'll have to do | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | but, for instance, bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1411897 would not be something we turn away if we accept all things | 16:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1411897 in openstack-ansible "Make package auto updates tunable" [Wishlist,Invalid] | 16:20 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae yeah, it's on my to-do list to get multi-node working... I have all the info I need, I just need the time | 16:20 |
| palendae | Cool | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | pfft time | 16:20 |
| palendae | And that particular one they move to rpc-openstack | 16:20 |
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| palendae | moved* | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: i dont agree. | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | palendae yep, it was moved because it was denied in the project because it was considered out of scope for OSAD | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | we turn that away because we're not pinning | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | but we've provided the ability for a deployer to pin | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | so the question stands, where do we draw the line? | 16:21 |
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| odyssey4me | sure, so should we provide the ability to blacklist packages? | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | and that package is installed in the base os at install time, which they configure. | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | or to remove specified packages, or to tune the unattended updates? | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | so its on their provisioning system to make that go away . | 16:22 |
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| palendae | Yeah, I kinda of agree with odyssey4me. We're allowing a hook to pin packages, but we're not allowing a hook to turn off auto updates? | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | we're not making consistent decisions about what we allow or disallow - that's what I'm trying to address | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | again provisioning. would also add a hook to remove the gnome desktop should they have it installed ? | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | pinning has nothing to do with openstack, so why do we have a hook for it? | 16:24 |
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| cloudnull | pinning does not. and Id be happy to remove that role. | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | if we have a hook for that, why can't we have a hook for gnome desktop, widget1 and salamander_love123? | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | it was added to help deployers (rax) | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull yep, and I thought we had decided not to add it and had referred it just like we did the auto updates thing... then suddenly there was a patch merged for it | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | inconsistency :) | 16:25 |
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| cloudnull | i hate pinning, its up to the deployer to create a repo . if they dont have one they get the community repo. | 16:25 |
| * svg uses aptly to 'pin' packages | 16:26 | |
| odyssey4me | I really do feel that we can happily welcome anything and everything. I'm happy if someone preps a patch for it and agree that we can facilitate anything, but we only get opinionated about how to use that framework when it comes to a reference architecture for the project. | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | svg: doing it right | 16:26 |
| palendae | So if we're doing things for deployers | 16:27 |
| palendae | Not every deployer will agree with us on everything | 16:27 |
| palendae | Regardless of whether one of our cores hates some approach or not | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | palendae sure, that's why I'm happy to provide a framework in the project - but the deployer needs to configure something for it to do anything | 16:28 |
| svg | (but now I need to have the container images to use that repo too, IIRC not configureabl) | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae but then we need to be consistent about it - we allow anything in terms of a framework, but not something opinionated unless it has a reference architecture with it which is gate-tested | 16:29 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: I agree with you | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | so lets revert this and stick to our guns https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180613 | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull what I'm suggesting is that we don't - we allow it and anything else | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | but much like that patch, it does nothing unless a deployer uses it | 16:30 |
| palendae | Ok, so once that's reverted, how would a deployer add that functionality without having to edit osad roles directly? | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | of course this leads to... what if someone wants to deploy this on another distro :) | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | if that means that we allowing provisioning into core OSAD, as a blanket "we accept all the things". i say no. | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | svg: you could change the repo url to point to upstream and not add the repo containers ? | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | in fact, for these sorts of things the right way to do it would be to create a role in github/stackforge - then it can be consumed, but optionally | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | palendae: a deployer could create their own role to pin. | 16:33 |
| palendae | cloudnull: Ok, but then how do they make the osad ones rely on it? | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | or have a proper mirror | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | we could perhaps just have a doc in our repo providing basic info on roles we've worked with and how to consume them in osad's framework | 16:33 |
| palendae | That particular patch touches a lot of osad roles | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | it does | 16:33 |
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| hughsaunders | but they are all role deps - the role could be run in an earlier play without those. | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | palendae cloudnull it only does because the decision was made to change all the disparate pinning in those roles to consume this role... which was a good decision | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | anyway, this has taken enough time and I think we should sleep on it and talk some more about it next meeting | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | ok | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | #topic What is our roadmap like? Will making fernet tokens in keystone be an 11.1.0 feature? palendae | 16:35 |
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| palendae | Yeah, my question here was do we have those point releases figured out yet? | 16:36 |
| palendae | Fernet tokens is just a good example | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193729 (fernet tokens as the default) | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | short answer palendae no. | 16:37 |
| palendae | k | 16:37 |
| palendae | I've heard rule-of-thumb | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | generally, the road map is dicated by specs | 16:37 |
| palendae | "It's a big change, changes a default" | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | and not set | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | but we dont really have much in the way of specs, yet | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | in this case I'd say fernet hits master , and its backported to kilo, which changes the default token provider in a big way so we rev. | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | and 11.0.4 becomes 11.1.0 | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | so... why did we go with fernet? | 16:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | (on a side note) | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | its faster, and ha. | 16:39 |
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| odyssey4me | I agree with that as a strategy, but I kinda think that perhaps we should pile-up a few things before we declare a minor rev | 16:39 |
| palendae | cloudnull: Ok | 16:39 |
| dolphm | Sam-I-Am: performance, infrastructure overhead, scalability | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | dolphm: -cc | 16:39 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: I agree with that too | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | And yes, perhaps the switch to fernet tokens should be covered by a spec to infom people why | 16:39 |
| palendae | So fernet as default goes in 11.1.0, but it's not the only thing | 16:39 |
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| cloudnull | this is what we have so far in 11.0.4 | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | even if the spec is a small one | 16:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | dolphm: ok, figured as much | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.0.4 | 16:40 |
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| cloudnull | we have quite a few "features" targetting 11.0.4 | 16:41 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Agreed with a spec | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | IE cinder on metal, keystone ssl, fernet, etc... | 16:41 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull fair enough - I think it may be worth shifting those to a new milestone and seeing how that looks | 16:42 |
| dolphm | cloudnull: are they targeted to the milestone? | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | they are | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | 11.0.4 | 16:42 |
| dolphm | there's no Wishlist bugs or blueprints | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | nope. | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | yep - we seem to have adopted a strategy of not marking things as wishlist any more | 16:42 |
| dolphm | then there's clearly no features being tracked against 11.0.4! | 16:43 |
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| palendae | So many things went wishlist we never touched them | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | this is a bad habit | 16:43 |
| * cloudnull still sifting through them | 16:43 | |
| palendae | Yeah | 16:43 |
| palendae | It is | 16:43 |
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| palendae | We swung the opposite direction | 16:43 |
| palendae | So many things not marked wishlist, we never touch them :) | 16:43 |
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| cloudnull | i agree with specs being created. | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | wishlist items should be small feature changes - the rest should be blueprints and the bigger ones with specs | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | I think we should create a 11.1 milestone - move the ones that look like features to it, then decide on which become specs and which become wishlist items | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:45 |
| dolphm | there's not much point to a blueprint without a spec, given how broken blueprints are on their own. how to draw the line between the two is another story... | 16:45 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: +1 | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | we're too easily falling into the trap of letting everything be a bug and we need to get more disciplined about this | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | so with that said we need people to write these specs and will need to do it retro actively for the items that we have had in the queue for a while | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | example | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1455238 | 16:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1455238 in openstack-ansible "Ceph Support" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Serge van Ginderachter (svg) | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | so who, with me, is going to do this ? | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | dont all speak at once. . . | 16:47 |
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| cloudnull | so maybe we do this going forward ? | 16:48 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull I'll be happy to assist after the federation sprints are done, so that'll be in around 2-3 weeks :/ | 16:48 |
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| cloudnull | ok so if nobody wants to help write specs then im inclided to say that we do it from NOW on. and mark all of the "features" as wishlist which will be merged into 11.1.0 | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull I think that's fair | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | going once. | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | going twice. | 16:50 |
| palendae | That also means we (cores especially) need to be vigilant about pushing back when someone doesn't propose a spec | 16:50 |
| palendae | You want it, you spec it | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | palendae yep | 16:50 |
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| cloudnull | and sold. | 16:50 |
| hughsaunders | bang? | 16:50 |
| palendae | We can help, but shouldn't do it for you | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | from this day forth no spec, no feature. everything in the pipline will be makred as wishlist and handled in our current targetted milestones. | 16:51 |
| palendae | So say we all | 16:51 |
| b3rnard0 | by your command | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | next | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | #topic Discuss https://review.openstack.org/189998 (Fernet token support for keystone) odyssey4me | 16:52 |
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| cloudnull | i think we can do this with the same pattern we're using for the swift ring distribution . | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | in terms of rotation. | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | So currently the patch we have has 3 keys, and only rotates when the playbook for installing keystone is run. | 16:52 |
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| cloudnull | in the proposed default patch its been set to 7 | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193729/15/playbooks/roles/os_keystone/defaults/main.yml | 16:53 |
| svg | back | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | I'm in favor of the keystone user having ssh keys and the keys being distributed on rotation in something like a cron job. | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | s/proposed/merged | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: me too. | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | which will also get rid of the need to sync back the keys to the deploy host. | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | and then distribute | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | I think that this should form part of the 'feature' for 11.1 and we shouldn't release 11.1 until that's done as it's a key requirement for making this production ready | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | done. | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | i am in agreement. | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | alright, so who's going to do it? sigmavirus24_awa ? | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | im happy to bang it out. i know the swift code failly well . | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | and it shouldnt take much to get it in | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull cool, thanks :) | 16:56 |
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| cloudnull | so last 5 min. | 16:57 |
| cloudnull | #topic open | 16:57 |
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| odyssey4me | open bar, perhaps? | 16:57 |
| cloudnull | anything that we want to talk about ? | 16:57 |
| cloudnull | open bar would be nice ! | 16:57 |
| dolphm | i just finished re-assigning a few bug priorities to wishlist in https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.0.4, none are committed yet though, so it's still sane to release 11.0.4 at the moment | 16:58 |
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| cloudnull | tyvm dolphm! | 16:58 |
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| cloudnull | ok we're done here. | 16:59 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 16:59:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-06-25-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-06-25-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| cloudnull | thanks everyone ! | 16:59 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:02 |
| openstack | cathy_: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:02 |
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| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:03 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:03 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 17:03 |
| vikram_ | hi cathy | 17:03 |
| mohankumar__ | Hi :-) | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: welcome back | 17:03 |
| Swami | hi | 17:03 |
| vikram_ | :) | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | OK, let's go to topic #1 | 17:03 |
| vikram_ | :) | 17:03 |
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| cathy_ | #topic Neutron port chain API spec discussion | 17:04 |
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| cathy_ | I see comments some of us have posted and also replies to comments. Any questions on the replies? | 17:05 |
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| s3wong | so it seems like Louis just updated the spec | 17:05 |
| mohankumar__ | Hi Cathy .. python client cli changes completed .. and submitted for review .. | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: I replied to your comments. Are you OK with them? | 17:06 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar__: great, let's go to that in our next topic | 17:06 |
| s3wong | cathy_: yes -- that was just a point, but no need to address from the get-go (regarding multiple port-chains on the same port that may have overlapping classifier matches) | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: OK, good. | 17:07 |
| Swami | mohankumar__: are you talking about the python neutronclient changes for the api | 17:07 |
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| cathy_ | any other questions/comments we would like to discuss in this IRC meeting? | 17:08 |
| mohankumar__ | Yes .. | 17:08 |
| Swami | Is this in the spec doc | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | Swami: yes. it is the python neutron client changes | 17:08 |
| mohankumar__ | Swami yes .. some addition I did for list and show clis | 17:09 |
| Swami | mohankumar__: thanks | 17:09 |
| vikram_ | i would like everyone to provide their views on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/flow-classifier | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | yes, please go to the etherpad to provide your input and we can update the neutron port chain spec to include them | 17:10 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: thanks for setting that up | 17:10 |
| vikram_ | cathy: thanks | 17:11 |
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| vikram_ | i feel once the BP is approved we can start the work about flow classifier otherwise rework will be more | 17:12 |
| s3wong | cathy_, vikram_: is the generic classifier a different project altogether from SFC? | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | in our last meeting, we agree on a time to finalize the port chain API which is yesterday. So I would suggest that everyone go to the updated spec and review it again, post comments if you have more or give it +1 if you feel we can start implementing the API | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: no | 17:12 |
| Swami | vikram_: but we need to get a consensus on the flow classifier before we start our work or that can be done in parallel. | 17:13 |
| cathy_ | the generic classifier will be included in our SFC spec | 17:13 |
| vikram_ | swami: i feel we can start the work in parallel.. | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: good question. flow classifier is a key part of the SFC delivery and we can not say we deliver SFC without the classifier. | 17:14 |
| s3wong | cathy_: and it will be part of the work item for Liberty? | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: Yes, we are targeting that that release. | 17:14 |
| vikram_ | BTW, i want to start with the existing proposal so that i will be ready with the changes when others needs it | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: the project has been officially accepted by Neutron | 17:14 |
| Swami | vikram_: ok, but that might cause more changes to the code who is implimenting the classifier. But if you thing that other parts of the sfc can proceed and classifier can catch then it makes sense. | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | Now it all depends when we can get the code completed and integration testing completed. | 17:15 |
| s3wong | cathy_: so we need to limit the scope for the generic classifier, and view SFC as the primary use case for now | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: I will work with Kyle Mestery how to release this feature | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes, agree with you | 17:16 |
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| vikram_ | Swami: IMHO, the existing proposal about flow-classifier is generic and I don't feel classifier will need lot of changes | 17:16 |
| Swami | vikram_: is that an assumption. | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | the functionality of the generic classifier proposed in the SFC spec will be the one we deliver and it cna be easily extended since we will implement it as a modular component that cna be used by other use cases | 17:17 |
| vikram_ | Swami: I have read both the proposals and to me flow-classifier and classifier are almost same | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | Swami: yes, agree with vikram. I have read both too, they are the same | 17:18 |
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| Swami | vikram_: if they are the same we need to consolidate and make it a single BP | 17:18 |
| vikram_ | Swami: Exactly | 17:19 |
| Swami | cathy_: so that there is no issue later. | 17:19 |
| vikram_ | +1 | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | Swami: Maybe you would like to read them too. If you see any major difference, let's discuss in our next IRC meeting. OK with you? | 17:19 |
| Swami | vikram_: that is what I mentioned by getting consensus with different BP owners. | 17:19 |
| vikram_ | i will be working with Yuji and merge it one | 17:19 |
| Swami | cathy_: thanks will do. | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | Swami: should be no issue. | 17:19 |
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| vikram_ | Swami:+1 | 17:19 |
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| cathy_ | vikram_: Thanks for working with Yuji!! | 17:20 |
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| cathy_ | I know Yuji can not join this IRC meeting and Thanks Vikram for working with him in another time slot | 17:20 |
| vikram_ | Cathy: I have a question about the code submission | 17:21 |
| vikram_ | what topic we need to mention in the patch | 17:21 |
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| vikram_ | and how the patches will be reviewed | 17:21 |
| vikram_ | sorry all, if I am off topic | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | vikram_:not sure what you mean? Isn't it service chaining | 17:22 |
| Swami | vikram_: topic can be "bp-networking-sfc" | 17:22 |
| vikram_ | ok | 17:22 |
| Swami | So if all the patches go in with the same topic, it would be easy for the reviewers to sort it. | 17:22 |
| vikram_ | +1 | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | Swami: I see. Yes. makes sense | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | shall we use "networking-sfc"? | 17:23 |
| Swami | yes "bp" states that you are implementing the blueprint for "networking-sfc". | 17:24 |
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| Swami | but if you don't want "bp" I am ok with that. | 17:24 |
| Swami | end of the day it is just a "tag". | 17:24 |
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| cathy_ | Swami: Actually I am OK with either one. How about others? which one you prefer | 17:24 |
| vikram_ | +1 for "networking-sfc" | 17:25 |
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| mohankumar__ | networking-sfc | 17:25 |
| Brian | +1 for 'networking-sfc' | 17:25 |
| s3wong | cathy_, Swami: doesn't matter, just settle on one so we are consistent. networking-sfc has less typing :-) | 17:25 |
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| cathy_ | Ok, let's use "networking-sfc" | 17:26 |
| vikram_ | How we want to implement flow-classifier.. I feel it will be better as core-extension | 17:26 |
| vikram_ | Any suggestion's | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | For flow classifier, I will work with Jay Pipe to see how we position the implementation. | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | Since he gives comment on security group. But we replied to his comments on the limitation of security group | 17:27 |
| s3wong | vikram_: I think we will finalize via your etherpad... given that Yuji isn't here, it may be good to finalize on the etherpad | 17:27 |
| vikram_ | We need to conclude for coding | 17:27 |
| vikram_ | S3wong: Make sense | 17:28 |
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| LouisF | Jay had suggested re-use of SGs instead of a flow-filter/classifier | 17:28 |
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| LouisF | but I think a separate flow-filter/classifer is a better approach | 17:29 |
| s3wong | cathy_, LouisF: SG rules are created to attached directly to SG, though it is a resource by itself, it isn't being used outside of SG | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: please bring back the discussion result with Yuji in our next IRC meeting. Basically we need to reach consensus on whether to extend security group or create a more indepenedent new flow classifier | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: we agree with you | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: that is our reply to Jay Pipe too | 17:30 |
| vikram_ | Cathy: Sure | 17:31 |
| s3wong | cathy_, LouisF: in fact, a SG rule can't even be shared between two SGs, so how do we refactor that out would be quite a bit of work | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: what's your opinion on using SG or a new independent flow classifier? | 17:31 |
| LouisF | s3wong: agree, a separate FF/classifer would be better | 17:32 |
| vikram_ | I am not familiar with Security Group in detail.. Need to dig more | 17:32 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: exactly. I think most of us agree that we should use a separate indepenent flow classifier. | 17:32 |
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| cathy_ | Swami: are you OK with implementing a separate flow classifier instead of using the SG? | 17:33 |
| Swami | cathy_:+1 | 17:34 |
| cathy_ | Swami: thanks | 17:34 |
| s3wong | cathy_, LouisF, vikram_: in fact, SG is so widely used, if we were to say add DSCP match on SG rules, it will have major regression effect | 17:34 |
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| s3wong | it is just so unideal | 17:34 |
| vikram_ | s3wong: that's a good point | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes, 100% agree with you. | 17:35 |
| vikram_ | then flow classifier makes more sense as it can be extended easily | 17:36 |
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| cathy_ | Could you go to the spec and give it a one more review and give +1 if you think we can start implementing the API? We really need to finalize this. | 17:36 |
| Brian | sure | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | Let's move to next topic | 17:37 |
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| cathy_ | #topic SFC code implementation | 17:37 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: sure | 17:37 |
| LouisF | s3wong: agree - changing SG rules will have regression issues | 17:37 |
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| cathy_ | mohankumar__: would you like to update on the Neutron client code status for SFC? | 17:38 |
| mohankumar__ | Yes .. Will do | 17:39 |
| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194648/ | 17:39 |
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| mohankumar__ | Patches submitted .. pls review | 17:41 |
| Swami | vikram_: mohankumar__: I would say that we should have the server side code first and the client side code comes in at the end. | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar__: OK, we will review it today. BTW, have you done some unit test? | 17:41 |
| LouisF | mohankumar__: will be testing with your code today | 17:41 |
| s3wong | Swami: yeah, that's normally the order... | 17:42 |
| mohankumar__ | UT .. Will do once rework done | 17:42 |
| Swami | :wq! | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | Swami: We will start implementing the server side API now. And do some testing on the client side code. | 17:42 |
| mohankumar__ | Louis F thanks | 17:42 |
| Swami | cathy_: thanks | 17:43 |
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| cathy_ | mohankumar__: we will test your code. In the mean time you can start working on the Horizon part. | 17:45 |
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| cathy_ | mohankumar__: vikram_ OK with you? | 17:45 |
| vikram_ | okay | 17:45 |
| mohankumar__ | Yeah ok | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar__: great. Thanks. | 17:46 |
| vikram_ | cathy: what's the plan on BP approval | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | Is Nicolas in this meeting? We can discuss about application ID he suggested if he is in this meeting | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | seems he is not in the meeting. | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | Any thing else anyone would like to discuss? Otherwise I will summarize the action items | 17:48 |
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| vikram_ | cathy: what's the plan on BP approval | 17:48 |
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| cathy_ | vikram_: good question. After people giving -1 change to +1, I can start approve it and then I will ask Kyle and armax to approve too. SFC project has a separate core team to approve the BP. | 17:53 |
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| cathy_ | Now let me summary the agreement and action items for this IRC meeting | 17:53 |
| s3wong | cathy_: right, SFC specs go into SFC repo, so it should be +2/+A by SFC cores | 17:54 |
| cathy_ | #agree we reached consensus on the flow classifier in this meeting: we will implement a separate independent flow classifier instead of using/extending SG. Vikram will bring back consensus with Yuji in next IRC meeting | 17:54 |
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| cathy_ | #action Everyone review the Client API codes for SFC and test the API with Server side API | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | #agree topic for the code patches: networking-sfc | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes. | 17:58 |
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| cathy_ | Ok, thanks everyone for joining the meeting, Let's discuss more in next IRC meeting. Bye now | 17:58 |
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| Brian | bye | 17:58 |
| Swami | bye | 17:58 |
| s3wong | bye | 17:58 |
| LouisF | bye | 17:58 |
| Mohankumar_ | Bye | 17:58 |
| xgerman | bye | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 17:59:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-06-25-17.02.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-06-25-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-06-25-17.02.log.html | 17:59 |
| vikram_ | bye | 17:59 |
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