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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 15:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | hello, how is here today? | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | who is here, err | 15:01 |
| crinkle | o/ | 15:01 |
| spredzy | hey | 15:01 |
| clayton | here | 15:01 |
| richm | here | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | #topic review past actions | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review past actions (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:02 | |
| EmilienM | spredzy submit a review in openstack-infra to integration the cookiecutter templates | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | done: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188929/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189216/ | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | spredzy, clayton create a POC and send an email to the ML about parameter default policy | 15:02 |
| spredzy | well second link is about msync | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: it comes together :-) | 15:03 |
| spredzy | EmilienM, we haven't talk about it this week, need to postpone to next week | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | oh ok | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | clayton to investigate virtualenv support and possibly create a blueprint | 15:03 |
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| clayton | I won't be able to work on that until after we finish our kilo upgrades, probably a week or two | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | clayton to help fix auth_uri issues in providers | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | clayton: I've seen a patch, I think it's WIP, right? | 15:04 |
| clayton | I think you've seen this one, I put up a review, but there is another one already | 15:04 |
| mgagne | o/ | 15:04 |
| clayton | I'll likely end up abandoning mine | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186863/ | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | crinkle to propose review abandonment policy | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | we have an agenda topic, ^ | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | and spredzy to request feedback on db_sync type on ml | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | same, agenda topic ^ | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | so let's start | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | #topic CI status | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI status (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:05 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i2z5QyvukHCWU_JjkWrTpn-PexPBnt3bWPlQfiDGsj8/edit#gid=0 | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | beaker is in pretty good shape, we have coverage for most important modules | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | thanks crinkle and sbadia for your help | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | puppet4 now: sbadia, cody? | 15:06 |
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| EmilienM | cody has a patch WIP for neutron | 15:06 |
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| crinkle | _ody usually has conflicts with this meeting | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | ok np, I'll catch-up with him | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | and I talk on behalf of sbadia (afk), he's doing swift atm | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | anything else on CI ? | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | #action cody to finish neutron patch | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | #action sbadia to patch swift module for puppet4 | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | #topic Fix released bugs | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fix released bugs (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:08 | |
| EmilienM | crinkle: o/ | 15:08 |
| crinkle | mfedosin: ^ | 15:08 |
| crinkle | mfisch: | 15:08 |
| crinkle | sorry | 15:08 |
| mgagne | has a new version been released/tagged? | 15:08 |
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| EmilienM | mgagne: not yet | 15:09 |
| crinkle | not yet | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | ok, mfisch is not here I think let's catch-up later in the release topic | 15:09 |
| crinkle | mfisch: might be in standup, could move this to later in the meeting | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | #topic Decision about Abandoned reviews policy | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Decision about Abandoned reviews policy (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:09 | |
| EmilienM | crinkle: o/ | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | sounds like mailing list was useful | 15:10 |
| crinkle | okay, so we started discussing it on the mailing list but i'm not sure we really got anywhere | 15:10 |
| crinkle | lots of different opinions | 15:10 |
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| mgagne | true | 15:10 |
| _ody | o/ | 15:10 |
| crinkle | o/ | 15:10 |
| mgagne | is there a common ground? | 15:10 |
| mgagne | should we use the abandon change or not? (auto or manual) | 15:10 |
| crinkle | my preference is to abandon as infrequently as possible | 15:11 |
| crinkle | many other opinions shared were pro-abandonment | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | I understand big projects have auto-abandon, but do we need that? | 15:11 |
| crinkle | i don't think we have nearly enough traffic for that | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: though we have some very old patches sometimes. Do we really care? | 15:12 |
| richm | probably best to be consistent with other openstack projects | 15:12 |
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| crinkle | there isn't an openstack-wide policy | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | richm: first we would need to check if they all apply this policy. | 15:12 |
| crinkle | so there's nothing t obe consistent with | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: good to know | 15:12 |
| mgagne | should this one be abandoned? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93990/ | 15:12 |
| mgagne | Updated May 17, 2014 10:58 AM | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | I don't think so | 15:13 |
| crinkle | it has no -1 or -2 | 15:13 |
| crinkle | it should be reviewed | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | and rechecked against CI. | 15:13 |
| crinkle | oh but for puppet-openstack | 15:13 |
| mgagne | we deprecated puppet-openstack a long time ago | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | and rebase | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | oh true | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | so yeah | 15:13 |
| mgagne | IMO we shouldn't have any change older than a month or 2. Our policy should derivate from that requirement | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | I'm also in favor of this, but it might be too strict for our community. | 15:14 |
| mgagne | 1-2 months without update | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | some patches are not landed just because nobody reviewed them | 15:15 |
| mgagne | could be a comment to poke the original author | 15:15 |
| crinkle | my concern is that it is hard for someone who is not core and not the author to restore an abandoned change, so we could lose work that might otherwise be valuable or someone could accidentally repeat someone else's work | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | if the patch does not pass CI or has negative reviews, I'm in favor of abandon it | 15:15 |
| mgagne | why can't anyone un-abandon a change? | 15:16 |
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| crinkle | mgagne: gerrit acls don't let them | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | it's a policy in gerrit | 15:16 |
| mgagne | crinkle: why not? | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: we could patch that. | 15:16 |
| mgagne | crinkle: it's just an acl | 15:16 |
| Hunner | This is why I think a human should be involved; we don't want them abandoned because it was never reviewed | 15:16 |
| mgagne | crinkle: if there is an ack for a reason, I would like to know about it | 15:17 |
| crinkle | mgagne: as fungi explained to me it's because it's attached to the same thing that lets them abandon other people's changes | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | this topic was about to take a decision, I feel like we need more discussion each others and the mailing list would be useful to save our meeting | 15:17 |
| mgagne | crinkle: oh, that makes sense then | 15:17 |
| Hunner | Autoclose for not-passing or negative-reviews may be fine though | 15:17 |
| crinkle | Hunner: but sometimes there's something with a -1 that's just nearly good enough, but the author moves on | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: indeed, that would be against our review policy | 15:18 |
| fungi | right, the acl permission in gerrit for abandon and restore are the same setting | 15:18 |
| Hunner | crinkle: At PL we still close those; we just don't have the bandwidth to deal with "nearly good enough" as much as I would like to :( | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: well, the author can also ask us to restore it... | 15:18 |
| fungi | it's specifically because of the fact that it grants abandon control that we limit it to the change owner and core reviewers of the repo | 15:18 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: that's true but if it's a weekend or they're new and don't know that's available then it's hard | 15:19 |
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| EmilienM | the question is: do we have the bandwidth to manage old patches ? | 15:19 |
| fungi | in prior versions of gerrit it was limited to the change owner and not configurable, so the fact that we can now allow it for the core reviewers as well is a big improvement in usability | 15:19 |
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| EmilienM | automation could really help us | 15:19 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: i think there are enough of us that we can, and having them around in the queue for a while while we wait for free time doesn't hurt anything | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | fungi: good to know, thx | 15:20 |
| crinkle | thank you fungi | 15:20 |
| fungi | you're welcome! | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: ok. Let's start by your solution #2 and see how it works. | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: if we realize it does not work for us and we need automation, well... #3 with some communication to our community will be chosen | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | what do you think? | 15:21 |
| crinkle | wfm | 15:21 |
| _ody | +1 | 15:21 |
| crinkle | i can send that to the mailing list | 15:21 |
| * EmilienM is waiting for mgagne's -1/+1 | 15:21 | |
| _ody | We all around probably need to be more willing to pick up abandoned changes too and just get them merged. | 15:22 |
| mgagne | sorry, got distracted | 15:22 |
| mdorman | +1 on #2 and see how it goes. | 15:22 |
| mgagne | tbh, I'm fine with the popular opinion | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:22 |
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| EmilienM | #action crinkle to close this ML thread and explain our decision | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: anything else about that? | 15:22 |
| crinkle | nope | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | #topic releases | 15:23 |
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| EmilienM | first question: does anyone want to cherry-pick something or are we good now? ( crinkle did a lot of backports lately) | 15:23 |
| mgagne | crinkle: tyvm for that great work | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | yeah | 15:24 |
| crinkle | i skipped a bunch that didn't cherry-pick cleanly | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: btw we broke keystone | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/189742 | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | but out of context | 15:24 |
| Hunner | crinkle++ for doing that | 15:24 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: :( | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | ok, if no more cherry picks, please review the patches from crinkle | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | when everything is merged, we will hopefully make a Juno release | 15:25 |
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| EmilienM | for Kilo, we are waiting for keystone v3 only iirc | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | richm: o/ | 15:25 |
| richm | yes | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | crinkle, richm: do you think it's reasonable to wait until keystone v3 is merged before doing a kilo release? | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | that means puppet-openstacklib,keystone (and also all provider?) | 15:27 |
| _ody | Are we down to simple review or is what remains able to be split up among more people? | 15:27 |
| richm | keystone v3 (for all modules) depends on 1) use openstack 2) use auth restructure code | 15:28 |
| richm | the current patches do 1) and 2) for puppet-keystone only | 15:28 |
| richm | there is a puppet-glance patch to do 1) | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | richm: is it required to patch other modules or can it work without the patches for now? | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | we have a lot of providers afik... | 15:29 |
| richm | it "works" for some value of "works" | 15:29 |
| crinkle | i think just openstacklib and keystone is fine | 15:29 |
| richm | "works" == installs with basic defaults | 15:29 |
| richm | "works" != every openstack component can use v3 auth everywhere | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: ok. So it won't break other modules providers, right? | 15:29 |
| crinkle | no | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | richm: ok | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | lgtm for now | 15:30 |
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| EmilienM | for a first kilo release I mean | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | so if you agree, we wait for keystone/openstacklib patches merged and we release our first Kilo | 15:30 |
| richm | works for me | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | just an highlight to people here, this is a huge feature useful for anyone. Reviews and testing are welcome :-) | 15:31 |
| richm | I would also appreciate a review of the bp | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | I consider silence as a yes :) | 15:31 |
| mdorman | so tehse are any keystone v3 related reviews on openstacklib or keystone module, right? are their multiples, or just one each? | 15:31 |
| richm | I think it is ready | 15:31 |
| _ody | We need the v3 support just to go production with our OpenStack deployment at PL. | 15:32 |
| richm | openstacklib - one review | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: we have a lot of patches, defined in topics | 15:32 |
| richm | openstack-specs - one review - bp | 15:32 |
| richm | puppet-keystone - many, many reviews | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | _ody: everyone does I think :) | 15:32 |
| mdorman | kk | 15:32 |
| richm | the topic for all of these is bp/api-v3-support | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | ok let's move on | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | anything else richm on v3 ? | 15:32 |
| richm | EmilienM: no | 15:33 |
| EmilienM | richm: thanks! | 15:33 |
| EmilienM | #ŧopic openstacklib::db::sync proposal and decision | 15:33 |
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| EmilienM | spredzy: o/ | 15:33 |
| spredzy | So I'd like simply to open a vote there based on what I said on the ML | 15:34 |
| spredzy | vote doesn't have to take place now, but rather in the ML | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | #ŧopic openstacklib::db::sync | 15:34 |
| spredzy | so we can move forward with that | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | topic does not change anyway | 15:34 |
| crinkle | hmm | 15:35 |
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| EmilienM | mgagne: don't you like what spredzy suggests, having the exec in openstacklib itself for consistency? | 15:35 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: I think I explained myself on the ML: it adds little value for the amount of work required | 15:36 |
| crinkle | i'm with mgagne, it doesn't provide a lot of value | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | well, it adds consistency at least | 15:37 |
| crinkle | an exec has a consistent interface on its own | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:37 |
| mgagne | unless you come up with an actual use case you can't realize with it, then I don't see why | 15:37 |
| mfisch | sorry guys I'm here now | 15:37 |
| spredzy | point is mainly not about the exec, but have a common resource across every module to do one thing | 15:37 |
| mgagne | what crinkle said | 15:37 |
| spredzy | I understand mgagne point here | 15:37 |
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| spredzy | but the idea is that if someone brings on a new module this person knows for the db sync action it will be openstacklib::db::sync, the same way it is for mysql (ie. openstackli::db::mysql) | 15:38 |
| spredzy | for keystone, rabbitmq, etc... | 15:38 |
| mgagne | and you still have to make the interface consistent across all modules anyway, even if you have a common one and update it, you will still have to update all the modules to benefit from it, it's not magic | 15:38 |
| spredzy | just giving a common resource that does one thing and only onething acoss every module | 15:38 |
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| mgagne | isn't called an exec? | 15:39 |
| spredzy | mgagne, that is correct, but again this is true for every openstacklib:: component | 15:39 |
| mgagne | no | 15:39 |
| mgagne | didn't you read my latest answer? | 15:39 |
| mgagne | there is NO logic in db::sync, it's just rebranding an exec resource | 15:40 |
| mgagne | for the sake of having common code | 15:40 |
| spredzy | I don't deny that, but it is indeed for the sake of having common code so every module can rely on a meaning full classes name | 15:41 |
| mgagne | we could argue that openstacklib::service::install would be a great idea too because we are installing stuff with package resource everywhere and have package_ensure too. so lets create openstacklib::service::install($package_name, $package_ensure) then | 15:41 |
| spredzy | again if most of you thinksits not worth it we can go with #2 | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: +1 with that | 15:42 |
| spredzy | just moving everythin under CLASS::db::sync for the db_sync | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:42 |
| mgagne | yes, that would be a great change | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: can you close the thread with the decision and maybe send a patch as reference? | 15:43 |
| spredzy | #action spredzy Send a patch as an implementation reference | 15:43 |
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| spredzy | #action Send an email on the ML to let community know the final word on that thread | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: thanks! | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | well, I don't like final :-) but if it works now, let's go like this | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | #topic move git repos under openstack | 15:44 |
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| EmilienM | w00t topic changed !!! | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | the patch in project-config is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176326/ | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176326/ | 15:44 |
| mgagne | I have to go now, +1 for that change if redirections are put in place | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | and the blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189388/ | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: of course it will | 15:45 |
| mgagne | cool, thanks | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189388/ | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189388/ before https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176326/ | 15:45 |
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| EmilienM | we need to agree on "compliant" modules | 15:45 |
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| EmilienM | basically, the modules we test with beaker or/and tripleo + puppet-tripleo which is part of tripleo itself, so it makes sense to move it too | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | after all of this, I'll make sure redirections work and also openstack/governance is updated. | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | I'm also working on the blueprint that we discussed during the summit about "what is a compliant module" | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | please don't hesitate to review these patches on Gerrit, that would be useful to move forward on this | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | any thoughts about that? | 15:47 |
| crinkle | the list looks reasonable to me | 15:48 |
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| EmilienM | ok. Let's move on then. We have mfisch here, let's re-open #Fix released bugs | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | #topic Fix released bugs | 15:48 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: o/ | 15:48 |
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| mfisch | hey ok | 15:48 |
| mfisch | so the first part is that we have a ton of bugs marked as FC (Fix Committed) | 15:49 |
| mfisch | I went through and moved them to FR for a few projects | 15:49 |
| mfisch | keystone, glance, and maybe cinder? | 15:49 |
| mfisch | we might need to crowdsource the rest of that its pretty tedious | 15:49 |
| mfisch | I typically mark them to a release | 15:50 |
| mfisch | which is the 2nd part, we need a new release created in all the projects | 15:50 |
| mfisch | not sure who does that maybe mgagne ? | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: he's afk now | 15:50 |
| mfisch | I can follow-up on the ML | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | yeah | 15:51 |
| mfisch | I also marked invalid or incomplete a bunch of stuff | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | before doing liberty target, we might want to release kilo, no? | 15:51 |
| mfisch | if we're going to be welcoming to new members we need to watch the bugs | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: thanks a lot for that. I'll give a hand on this later this week | 15:51 |
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| mfisch | well we could add the L target whenever, I just wanted to find out who did it | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: it is supposed to be part of our tasks. | 15:52 |
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| mfisch | I'll write up a ML item about all this today | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: awesome | 15:52 |
| crinkle | thanks for doing that mfisch | 15:52 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: maybe in your email you can ask for help to the core group | 15:52 |
| mfisch | some projects went from 30 bugs to 8 | 15:52 |
| mfisch | nice to see | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | \o/ | 15:53 |
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| crinkle | \o/ | 15:53 |
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| EmilienM | I think we are done with the agenda | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | #topic open discussion (no troll please) | 15:53 |
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| EmilienM | no troll because it's not Friday | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | but feel free to share your patches/bugs/thoughts here | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | we have 7 min left | 15:54 |
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| EmilienM | I have one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189742/ (a backport from crinkle that seems breaking keystone/juno) | 15:54 |
| mfisch | whats the break? | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: keystone does not start, it can't find the file. see bug report | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1463358 | 15:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463358 in puppet-keystone "default value of paste_config breaks apache+wsgi on Ubuntu" [High,Confirmed] | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | I think it's not only wsgi but all keystone | 15:56 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 15:56 |
| dougwig | any gslb folks here today? | 15:57 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: time to end the meeting | 15:57 |
| dougwig | oops, sorry | 15:57 |
| mfisch | EmilienM: I'll look at it today | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 15:58:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-09-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | have a great day | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-09-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-09-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
| dougwig | EmilienM: sorry, not awake yet. :) | 15:58 |
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| Kiall | dougwig: heya | 16:00 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting gslb | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 16:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gslb)" | 16:00 | |
| dougwig | #chair Kiall | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gslb' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Kiall dougwig | 16:00 |
| dougwig | Kiall: hiya | 16:00 |
| mugsie | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1016shVnPaK8l8HxMpjADiYtY2O94p4g7JxjuIA-qv7w/edit?usp=sharing | 16:00 |
| Kiall | mugsie and barclaac should be joining too.. Anyone else about? | 16:00 |
| mugsie | use case doc ^ | 16:00 |
| dougwig | ty, was just digging for that. | 16:00 |
| dougwig | #topic Use cases | 16:01 |
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| dougwig | i don't see kunal here this morning. | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| Kiall | FYI - I'm only just getting a link to that doc, so just reading now.. | 16:01 |
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| dougwig | ditto | 16:01 |
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| Kiall | Looks like Kunal joined | 16:03 |
| KunalGandhi | Hi All | 16:03 |
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| KunalGandhi | Hi Kiall | 16:03 |
| dougwig | KunalGandhi: hiya. we were just reading your doc quickly. | 16:04 |
| KunalGandhi | dougwig: ok cool.. | 16:04 |
| KunalGandhi | For folks who dont have the link to the doc.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1016shVnPaK8l8HxMpjADiYtY2O94p4g7JxjuIA-qv7w/edit | 16:04 |
| dougwig | folks should jump in with comments or other use cases. if we can agree on that doc today, we can move forward to a draft api. if folks need more time, then we can probably end early and let folks digest. | 16:05 |
| KunalGandhi | I have put together an initial draft of use cases based on my understanding of gslb | 16:05 |
| Kiall | dougwig: Q - Can you expand on what you mean by the least connection strategy? | 16:06 |
| Kiall | sorry - KunalGandhi* | 16:06 |
| mugsie | dougwig: I think we need to agree on how we are going to orchestrate things before we move to an API .. | 16:06 |
| mugsie | i.e. how thin a layer GSLB will be | 16:06 |
| Santosh_ | Hi All | 16:06 |
| Maha_ | Hi All | 16:08 |
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| KunalGandhi | @Kiall ... sure.. the GSLB will return the public VIP on the regional LB that has the fewest connections | 16:08 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: that doc is set to view only | 16:08 |
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| mugsie | (we cannot comment / edit atm) | 16:09 |
| dougwig | mugsie: that'd be fine. speaking personally, a rough and quick api would let me see what we need to build, which would help me figure out orchestration, not the other way around. but whatever works. | 16:09 |
| Kiall | KunalGandhi: So, I guess I'm considering the latency on making a change to the VIPs return (limited by DNS TTL, say 60 sec realisticially) vs the rate at which each regional LB's connection count might change | 16:09 |
| KunalGandhi | mugsie: ok.. let me change the permission so that everyone can comment on it. | 16:09 |
| mugsie | dougwig: true, that is a good way of finding missing bits alright | 16:10 |
| Kiall | i.e. is least connections something feasible to do? | 16:10 |
| dougwig | Kiall: i'd expect that to be more along the lines of 'least connection at lookup', i.e., some level of session persistence. not constant zone tweaking. | 16:10 |
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| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. I have changed the permission so that anyone with a link can comment | 16:11 |
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| mugsie | dougwig: I would be afraid of it being a constant swing back and forth if we did that way - or is that an issue? | 16:12 |
| KunalGandhi | You might have to refresh the page to start commenting | 16:12 |
| Kiall | dougwig: Okay, I get where your going with that. Actually implementing that would be a nightmare tho, and most "normal" DNS server has that easy hook point.. But, it makes more sense now :) | 16:12 |
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| blogan | hi, sorry im late | 16:12 |
| Kiall | do not have that easy hook point* | 16:13 |
| dougwig | Kiall, mugsie: i think it's safe to leave that off v1, personally. :) | 16:13 |
| mugsie | dougwig: ++ | 16:14 |
| KunalGandhi | @Kiall.. Ok.. Please put that as a comment on the doc.. | 16:14 |
| Kiall | Yea, lots will be off V1 .. But wanting to understand the thinking :) | 16:14 |
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| Kiall | Okay - I think it pretty much all makes sense | 16:15 |
| Kiall | (Left 2 comments where I see some potential issues coming in, but those would "tomorrow problems" | 16:16 |
| johnsom | We should probably clarify "Geo-based" as there are different approaches; BGP AS route based, IP-Geo map tables, etc. | 16:16 |
| mugsie | johnsom: i think that should be an excersise for the DNS provider (designate) | 16:18 |
| Kiall | Okay - Everyone done reading? | 16:18 |
| mugsie | as they may provide layered EDNS / BGP etc | 16:18 |
| sballe | yep | 16:18 |
| Kiall | Cool, so.. Are are key use cases missing? | 16:19 |
| blogan | does the GSLB need to be HA? | 16:20 |
| mugsie | blogan: well, it really should be | 16:20 |
| blogan | i agree but does that need to be documented | 16:20 |
| mugsie | but that will be down the the architechtre we use for it / deployer choice | 16:20 |
| KunalGandhi | @blogan ..Yes..there should at least be in pair | 16:20 |
| mugsie | it should be in a simalar style to other OpenStack services | 16:21 |
| blogan | so will there be an open source driver for this? | 16:21 |
| mugsie | (horizontaly scalable active - active componants) | 16:21 |
| Kiall | Yea, we should add to the doc that we expect the failure of a region to be acceptable - it should continue working etc | 16:21 |
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| dougwig | blogan: there has to be, from what i understand. | 16:21 |
| mugsie | I would expect this to be fully open source | 16:21 |
| blogan | mugsie: is there an open source GSLB appliance right now? | 16:22 |
| mugsie | no, but we are looking at using designate as the dns provider to do the load balencing | 16:22 |
| blogan | dougwig: i do belive there has to be but i dont know of an open source version right now | 16:22 |
| mugsie | which is part of openstakc, and fully open source | 16:22 |
| dougwig | mugsie: speaking as a vendor, i'd like to see a driver mechanism in place for some parts of this. | 16:22 |
| blogan | mugsie: what about monitoring? | 16:22 |
| mugsie | dougwig: definitly | 16:23 |
| Kiall | Okay, So.. What's the next steps here? If the use cases are not missing any key things (bar a mention of HA), dougwig suggested talking API, but I wonder if we need to figure out where this lives before that? Is it in Designate, in Neuton, a new service? etc | 16:23 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. we should still need a driver that would configure the GSLB for monitoring and other settings right ? | 16:23 |
| blogan | mugsie: and i assume designate has the ability or the plans to have the ability to do geo-based (sorry for my ignorance) | 16:23 |
| Santosh_ | plugin --> vendor specific driver(NetScaler GSLB) | 16:23 |
| dougwig | blogan: i'm not aware of an open-source gslb monitoring appliance. i think we'll be writing parts of the gslb stuff. | 16:23 |
| Kiall | blogan: it's planned for Designate, but isn't there yet | 16:23 |
| mugsie | blogan: we have in the plans | 16:23 |
| blogan | okay that works for me, same teams involved to drive both | 16:24 |
| mugsie | I think we should have a driver interface, but allow people to use designate and neutron lbaas v2 to do this without a vendor | 16:24 |
| dougwig | Kiall: i could see it as a neutron extension that interfaces with designate, or... what would it look like plugged into designate directly? | 16:24 |
| dougwig | mugsie: agree. | 16:24 |
| mugsie | i dont think it should be in designate | 16:26 |
| mugsie | or in neutron | 16:26 |
| blogan | is it common for a GSLB appliance to set up the load balancers as well? | 16:26 |
| mugsie | neutron is a regional service | 16:26 |
| rrickard | i agree. | 16:26 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. i agree | 16:26 |
| Kiall | blogan: GSLB appliances typically have a DNS server, and Load Balancer "in the box" | 16:26 |
| rrickard | with mugsie. :) | 16:26 |
| dougwig | blogan: no. | 16:26 |
| KunalGandhi | @blogan ... GSLB appliances typically act as an LB and a DNS server.. | 16:27 |
| mugsie | can we plan this out assuming designate / neutron with driver hook points then, as a separate service? | 16:27 |
| dougwig | right now, neutron is a global service, not regional, and the extension mechanism would let it all land in a new stackforge repo and bypass the normal goo surrounding a new project (rest, auth, test infra, docs infra, ...). but i'd be fine either way. | 16:27 |
| KunalGandhi | @blogan .. The LB part is for health monitoring and the DNS is for managing the global zone | 16:27 |
| blogan | i know, im just wondering if this GSLB API will orchestrate setting them all up or do we just leave it o the user to create hte load balancers and point the GSLB API to those vips | 16:27 |
| Kiall | dougwig: neutron is global? | 16:28 |
| mugsie | dougwig: are you sure neutron is global? I have only ever seen it deployed as a regional one | 16:28 |
| blogan | ah maybe im misunderstanding using the lbaas v2 api then sorry | 16:28 |
| mugsie | blogan: I think for v1 / v.05 they would be pre set up | 16:29 |
| mugsie | v0.5* | 16:29 |
| dougwig | Kiall, mugsie: ok, that's fair. i'm thinking in terms of cells, not regions. | 16:29 |
| Kiall | dougwig: ah :) | 16:29 |
| mugsie | dougwig: ah, yes, fogot about cells | 16:29 |
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| blogan | mugsie: ah okay makes sense | 16:30 |
| rrickard | so, separate service? | 16:30 |
| KunalGandhi | @blogan .. i would presume that the VIP's on the regional LB's are pre-configured. | 16:30 |
| mugsie | OK, I can take this feedback and try and draft a rough API for next week, if people like? - Or is there more discussion? | 16:30 |
| blogan | so separate API entirely from any other service right? | 16:30 |
| mugsie | blogan: I would say yes | 16:30 |
| blogan | mugsie: will the API including monitoring? | 16:31 |
| dougwig | sounds like we should draft it that way, and assume that's the plan of record, unless something else shakes out while we figure out the API. | 16:31 |
| KunalGandhi | @blogan .. +1.. since GLB is more at the global level rather than regional.. | 16:31 |
| Kiall | I would agree, I don't think it quite belongs in Designate or Neutron .. It's a mashup of Designate, Neutron, Monasca, etc | 16:31 |
| dougwig | KunalGandhi: sounds good, and i'd like to help with that part. | 16:31 |
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| rrickard | we should add that to the use cases - monitoring. | 16:32 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig .. cool.. thanks | 16:32 |
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| dougwig | rrickard: can you edit the doc with what you're thinking? | 16:32 |
| Kiall | So - Is anyone feeling strongly this belongs in Neutron or Designate? | 16:33 |
| blogan | i gotta go guys, but thanks for answering my questions :) i'd like to stay involved in this project as well, at least a high level | 16:33 |
| dougwig | #action KunalGandhi dougwig draft initial API by next meeting | 16:33 |
| KunalGandhi | @rrickard .. are you talking about monitoring the GSLB's themselves or monitoring the VIP's on the regional LB ? | 16:33 |
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| barclaac | How about option #3 - it's own thing? | 16:33 |
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| blogan | KunalGandhi: i'm talking monitoring the vips to pull them out of rotation | 16:34 |
| dougwig | barclaac: that's the current decision. i think Kiall is trying to suss out whether we have any strong feelings in the other direction. | 16:34 |
| Kiall | dougwig: bang on ;) trying to see if anyone disagrees's before we say "yep, own service+API" | 16:34 |
| barclaac | blogan: do you see glsb managing one vip per data center or balance the individual machines? | 16:34 |
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| KunalGandhi | @blogan ... ok.. i can clarify that further.. i briefly mentioned it in point #3 | 16:35 |
| barclaac | e.g. glsb -> servers or gslb -> data center lb (ahem: octavia :-) -> machines? | 16:35 |
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| blogan | i can see people outside of this group disagreeing with another service simply because there are many many different endpoints in openstack right now | 16:35 |
| mugsie | blogan: with big tent it is not as big a deal anymore | 16:35 |
| Kiall | blogan: yea, agreed.. But there's also pain involved in putting something that doesn't belong into a project | 16:35 |
| barclaac | But API bloat has been a problem with openstack | 16:36 |
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| blogan | speaking to the choir, but just throwing it out there | 16:36 |
| mugsie | blogan: :) | 16:36 |
| barclaac | let's have a cohesive service defn. | 16:36 |
| KunalGandhi | @blogan ... GSLB API's will mainly run as a global service in most of the deployment.. | 16:36 |
| barclaac | although we could always add glsb to the neutron api server ;-) | 16:36 |
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| blogan | barclaac: hmmm i would think multiple vips in one dc but haven't thought about it much | 16:36 |
| dougwig | we're now arguing about what people *might* argue about. i think i need more caffeine. | 16:36 |
| KunalGandhi | @blogan .. and services like neutron typically run at the region level.. | 16:36 |
| sballe | dougwig: +1 | 16:37 |
| blogan | lol | 16:37 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, rrickard, as far as what an API might look like since you got #action'd on that.. Are you familar with for e.g. he Netscaler APIs look like? | 16:37 |
| mugsie | dougwig: :D | 16:37 |
| blogan | dougwig: its openstack what do you expect | 16:37 |
| rrickard | let's move forward with GSLB as it's own service. | 16:37 |
| blogan | +1 | 16:37 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:37 |
| johnsom | +1 | 16:37 |
| KunalGandhi | +! | 16:37 |
| barclaac | rrickard +1 | 16:37 |
| KunalGandhi | +1 | 16:37 |
| mugsie | +1 | 16:37 |
| Kiall | +1 | 16:37 |
| rrickard | kiall: i am not. | 16:38 |
| blogan | or we just do it all in heat | 16:38 |
| Kiall | actually.. It was KunalGandhi / dougwig who go #action'd.. sorry! same question to them | 16:38 |
| barclaac | I'd go with gslb -> data center -> server model. It makes the individual data center LB responsible for pool management | 16:38 |
| blogan | kidding | 16:38 |
| sballe | @blogan -1 | 16:38 |
| dougwig | violent agreement, it seems. | 16:38 |
| barclaac | glsb managing the pools would be potentially slower | 16:38 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: dougwig I would like to give a hand on that spec as well, if possible | 16:38 |
| dougwig | mugsie: great | 16:38 |
| Santosh_ | Can we put point wrt expectations from vendor specific drivers ? | 16:38 |
| rrickard | KunalGandhi: obviously i am available too if you need help with Designate questions. | 16:39 |
| KunalGandhi | @rrickard .. thanks :) | 16:39 |
| mugsie | Santosh_: yup, that should be added to the doc | 16:39 |
| dougwig | Santosh_: just a guess, but i think we need to sort out an api before we can know what the driver interface will look like. | 16:39 |
| Kiall | Santosh_: Q - With NetScaler, I'm guessing you would expect this to be a shim API towards the NetScaler, no involvment from Designate/Neutron LBaaS - Right? | 16:40 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig +! | 16:40 |
| rrickard | regardless of API, we should be able to say this will be designed in a modular/driver fashion. | 16:40 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig +1 | 16:40 |
| barclaac | +1 | 16:40 |
| Santosh_ | For monitor related configuration it is managed by vendor GSLB | 16:40 |
| Santosh_ | Yes | 16:41 |
| KunalGandhi | @rrickard .. it will be designed in a driver fashion.. similar to what LBaaS is | 16:41 |
| dougwig | Kiall: well, there's two halves at play. the dns side and the monitor side. and the glsb appliances can play on both sides. do they do dns directly, or as a provider/driver/plugin to designate directly? or does designate still do dns, but delegate for vips? many questions. | 16:41 |
| dougwig | i'm not suggesting we try to answer them this morning. | 16:41 |
| dougwig | just that it's not necessarily an "either or" thing. | 16:42 |
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| Kiall | dougwig: yea, exactly.. I kinda see the likes of NetScaler as providing all the pieces already, if you own one. The exception being OpenStack "style " API/Auth/Multi-Tenancy etc | 16:42 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig ... i think whether the dns part is done by the GSLB appliance or not competely depends on the vendor's impl right ? | 16:42 |
| Santosh_ | Kiall yes | 16:42 |
| dougwig | KunalGandhi: assuming our driver interface is flexible enough, yes. | 16:43 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig ..ok.. | 16:43 |
| Kiall | Santosh_: cool, thanks.. I think that makes the most sense, letting NS/F5 etc do their thing, while allowing Designate/Neutron LB/Monasca to be combined into an a driver | 16:43 |
| KunalGandhi | so the next step is @dougwig and I work on an intial draft of the API right ? | 16:44 |
| mugsie | yup | 16:44 |
| Kiall | 15 min warning. | 16:44 |
| dougwig | and mugsie | 16:44 |
| dougwig | anything else to discuss this morning? | 16:44 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 16:44 |
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| dougwig | not that we haven't been in open discussion the entire time anyway. | 16:44 |
| Kiall | dougwig: lol, yea.. Let's get an agenda page up on the wiki for next time.. :) | 16:45 |
| dougwig | Kiall: agreed. :) | 16:45 |
| dougwig | ok, unless there's more, let's get out of here. | 16:46 |
| Kiall | Sounds good :) Till next week... | 16:46 |
| dougwig | thank you, and bye folks | 16:47 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 16:47:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/gslb.2015-06-09-16.00.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/gslb.2015-06-09-16.00.txt | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/gslb.2015-06-09-16.00.log.html | 16:47 |
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| mugsie | dougwig: drop me an email / ping me on IRC when you want to look at the API | 16:47 |
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