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| LouisF | #startmeeting service-chaining | 00:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 27 00:33:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 00:33 |
| LouisF | #endmeeting | 00:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 27 00:35:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-05-27-00.33.html | 00:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-05-27-00.33.txt | 00:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-05-27-00.33.log.html | 00:35 |
| kragniz | LouisF: short meeting :P | 00:36 |
| LouisF | kragniz: only a test | 00:37 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 27 15:00:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:01 |
| krtaylor | who's here for third party CI working group meeting? | 15:01 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 15:01 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:01 |
| ctlaugh_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| zz_zz_ja | o/ | 15:02 |
| krtaylor | welcome everyone | 15:02 |
| krtaylor | it was really good getting to meet some of you in Vancouver | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | ok, here's the agenda for today | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#5.2F27.2F15_1500_UTC | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | #topic Annoucements | 15:04 |
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| krtaylor | there was an email thread for setting deadlines for cinder volume drivers | 15:04 |
| krtaylor | I believe that date was June 19th | 15:05 |
| patrickeast | 19th to be merged, 12th to have ci up and passing | 15:05 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, asselin_ can you confirm? | 15:05 |
| asselin_ | hi...i'm double-booked...so my response here may be slow | 15:05 |
| krtaylor | asselin_ np | 15:05 |
| asselin_ | yes, what patrickeast said K1 merge, K1 - 1 week for CI up and running. Should map to those dates. | 15:06 |
| krtaylor | ok, so hopefully those dates get out to everyone, spread the word | 15:06 |
| krtaylor | ok, any other quick announcements ? | 15:07 |
| krtaylor | #topic Vancouver BoF session | 15:08 |
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| krtaylor | we had a good, although small session, intermixed with the BoF | 15:08 |
| krtaylor | it was good to meet everyone, and I had a bunch of follow up conversations after | 15:09 |
| krtaylor | it was a good review of the Xen testing and a brief discussion on what we have coming up to work on for CI systems | 15:09 |
| krtaylor | after the turn out in Paris, I was expecting more | 15:10 |
| krtaylor | but that was probably due to several factors | 15:10 |
| asselin_ | who is new hear today b/c of BoF session? | 15:10 |
| krtaylor | one being that it was in the other building | 15:10 |
| krtaylor | anyone? | 15:10 |
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| krtaylor | it was interesting to see that most attending the BoF did not know about these meetings, either the office hours meeting or the working group | 15:11 |
| krtaylor | so, I think there is an action there for all of us, to spread the word about this resource | 15:12 |
| krtaylor | thats actually a good bridge to the next topic, these meetings | 15:13 |
| krtaylor | any questions about the BoF? | 15:13 |
| krtaylor | #topic Meeting Frequency | 15:14 |
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| krtaylor | I wanted to bring up for discussion, then possible email thread, the number of meetings we are having | 15:15 |
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| krtaylor | the 0400UTC meetings are generally not attended well | 15:15 |
| krtaylor | and this one now has a large overlap in status with the office hours meetings | 15:16 |
| krtaylor | how does everyone feel about these meetings? | 15:16 |
| krtaylor | do we need to reduce the frequency, or just advertise better? | 15:16 |
| krtaylor | I have been trying for many months now to get other systems to participate and share their "secrets" on how they are doing testing | 15:17 |
| ctlaugh_ | I only attend this one, not the 0400UTC, but like having it -- the different focus from the office hours meting | 15:17 |
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| krtaylor | ok, good, thanks ctlaugh_ | 15:18 |
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| zz_zz_ja | when you say office hrs, you're talking about the infra mtg on iirc monday late utc? | 15:18 |
| krtaylor | yes Mondays 1500UTC | 15:19 |
| patrickeast | i’m ok with the times, but i do think we could probably reduce the frequency, it seems like the 0400 meetings are usually unproductive due to how many people show up | 15:20 |
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| mmedvede | I normally only show up for this one as well | 15:20 |
| zz_zz_ja | ...searching our ThirdParty mtg page, for example, there is no mention of office hrs. I'm not sure if "their" mtg page exists, or pts to us if the page does exist. If they're related, how does someone not already embedded figure out where to spend their time most productively? | 15:21 |
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| ctlaugh_ | If there was only 1 meeting, I would probably make arrangements to attend even if it was late (unless it ended up in the middle of the night). This time is just much more convenient. | 15:21 |
| zz_zz_ja | If we're trying to attract new people, the content of the advertising matters (why attend this mtg?). | 15:22 |
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| krtaylor | zz_zz_ja, good feedback, I wrote meeting descriptions, but they were quickly changed | 15:22 |
| krtaylor | I guess what I am thinking was that initially, there was a storm of people needing to ask questions about getting started (Office Hours) | 15:23 |
| krtaylor | that has calmed down | 15:23 |
| krtaylor | not sure if we will get another wave as other projects require CI | 15:24 |
| krtaylor | anyway, it was useful to split the meetings, I was just poking at whether it was still useful, and the frequency | 15:24 |
| asselin_ | manila is starting | 15:24 |
| zz_zz_ja | the operative variable is probably organization at least as much as project. | 15:24 |
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| krtaylor | let's take this to an email thread, see if we can come to a consensus | 15:26 |
| asselin_ | +1 | 15:27 |
| krtaylor | also, I'd really like to get some help chairing the meetings, but I'll add that to the email | 15:27 |
| krtaylor | onward then | 15:28 |
| krtaylor | #topic Monitoring dashboard | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Monitoring dashboard (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:28 | |
| krtaylor | so the spec is basically done, but not getting a +2 | 15:28 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/ | 15:29 |
| asselin_ | I pinged infra once...but perhaps the timing was bad | 15:29 |
| krtaylor | sweston, you around? | 15:29 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, yeah, I am hoping that's the issue, but I'll add it to the agenda for next week if we don't get merged soon | 15:30 |
| krtaylor | I don't think there are any open concerns | 15:30 |
| krtaylor | at least none that I know of or that have been in comments | 15:31 |
| krtaylor | we did have some hall discussions at summit on whether to stay with the radar code or to enhance another one, such as patrickeast 's | 15:32 |
| krtaylor | sweston seems to be very busy with his day job atm | 15:32 |
| krtaylor | any questions about CI monitoring or the dashboard? | 15:33 |
| ctlaugh_ | My only other question was whether it would just monitor gerrit, or if it would also (at some point) be able to report CI status of non-gerrit-based CIs | 15:33 |
| ctlaugh_ | periodic vs commit-based | 15:34 |
| krtaylor | non-gerrit, meaning not reporting back, or? | 15:34 |
| krtaylor | ah, ok | 15:34 |
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| ctlaugh_ | and yes, not reporting back to gerrit | 15:35 |
| krtaylor | good point, but I think it would have to be gerrit to start, all systems probably have one project they are reporting back against | 15:35 |
| krtaylor | maybe when the periodic dashboard is done we can figure out how to mine that, but nothing comes to mind | 15:36 |
| ctlaugh_ | I'm going to look back at setting up a CI using the puppet modules to test off of gerrit, but we will also be running just nightly jobs as well. One set of our testing (multiple boards, various OS distros) will never be stable enough to hook into gerrit without irritating everyone :) | 15:37 |
| krtaylor | here is the link to that periodic dashboard summit session etherpad | 15:38 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-QA-testing-beyond-the-gate | 15:38 |
| ctlaugh_ | thank you | 15:38 |
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| krtaylor | sdague said that if we wanted to, we could look at accelerating the third party reporting, but that was v2 discussion for them | 15:39 |
| krtaylor | but he welcomed the idea of us doing that work | 15:40 |
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| krtaylor | which reminds me, I was going to talk to mrodden about that | 15:41 |
| krtaylor | any other comments? questions? | 15:41 |
| krtaylor | next then | 15:42 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Common CI | 15:42 |
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| krtaylor | asselin_ can you give us a brief summary of the working sessions at summit? | 15:42 |
| asselin_ | yes, we had a nice working session during the summit | 15:43 |
| asselin_ | we broke out into many small groups working on the various parts | 15:43 |
| asselin_ | some of the -infra cores focused on the testing effort and made quite a bit of progress | 15:43 |
| asselin_ | we had some new people contribute, juame devessa | 15:44 |
| asselin_ | so still a lot of work to do, and now we've got more people on board, so that's helpful | 15:45 |
| krtaylor | it was great to see all the merges | 15:45 |
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| asselin_ | yes | 15:45 |
| asselin_ | sorry...need to step away for a few minutes..... | 15:45 |
| krtaylor | sure np, patrickeast, ctlaugh_ were you able to attend these working sessions? | 15:46 |
| ctlaugh_ | no, I was not | 15:46 |
| krtaylor | I had schedule conflicts :( | 15:46 |
| patrickeast | same, there were cinder meetings i needed to attend at the same time | 15:46 |
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| krtaylor | yeah, my entire week was a schedule conflict with one thing or another | 15:47 |
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| krtaylor | I'm sure it was optimized for someone ;) | 15:48 |
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| krtaylor | ok, well here is the link for the common CI effort | 15:48 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:downstream-puppet,n,z | 15:49 |
| krtaylor | help how you can, sign up for a chunk, or at least review the patches | 15:49 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 15:50 |
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| krtaylor | I'll open it up, anything to discuss? | 15:51 |
| krtaylor | impressions, surprises from summit? | 15:51 |
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| patrickeast | oh i had one thing to bring up | 15:52 |
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| krtaylor | it was good to see the 2016 summit locations announced | 15:52 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, sure | 15:52 |
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| patrickeast | for the tools repo, are we planning to just dump stuff in there or is it more restrictive? | 15:52 |
| patrickeast | i ask because i’ve had reviews up for a couple weeks now, should we just ninja +2/A them in? or wait for more people to see them? | 15:53 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, ah, good question | 15:53 |
| krtaylor | yes, I have been meaning to address those, I'd like to get other eyes on them | 15:53 |
| krtaylor | summit timing I'm betting | 15:54 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/stackforge/third-party-ci-tools,n,z | 15:55 |
| krtaylor | all, please review | 15:55 |
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| krtaylor | but, as initial patches, I think we'd be ok with pushing them as is | 15:55 |
| krtaylor | we don't have tests for the repo, so no gate testing, ect | 15:56 |
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| mmedvede | I did review and +1 the ones I understand. I think there is no harm approving | 15:56 |
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| krtaylor | agreed | 15:56 |
| patrickeast | i guess one thing to consider is if we want more like a dumping ground spot and then a more thorough review process to put things into more of a production ready state | 15:56 |
| patrickeast | i think we’ve talked about that before, but i forget what the decision was | 15:57 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, good point, I guess I was thinking that if the tools grew and took on a life, they would be promoted to their own project and that would include testing, etc | 15:57 |
| patrickeast | yea that makes sense | 15:58 |
| krtaylor | the could then be promoted again if they made it to infra usefulness | 15:58 |
| mmedvede | I think less initial friction is good | 15:58 |
| patrickeast | so then the bar should be pretty low for adding stuff to the tools repo, it might be worth us putting together some criteria | 15:59 |
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| patrickeast | mmedvede: +1 | 15:59 |
| mmedvede | +2 everything! :) | 15:59 |
| patrickeast | lol | 15:59 |
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| krtaylor | hehheh, well... | 15:59 |
| krtaylor | ok, out of time | 15:59 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone! | 15:59 |
| mmedvede | agree on criteria though, too much freedom would make it harder down the line... | 16:00 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 27 16:00:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-05-27-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-05-27-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-05-27-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 27 16:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
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| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
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| rhallisey | hi | 16:01 |
| SamYaple | hello | 16:01 |
| akwasnie | Hi | 16:01 |
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| sdake | o/ folks | 16:01 |
| mstachow | hi all :D | 16:01 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:01 |
| daneyon_ | hey | 16:02 |
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| sdake | yo daneyon_ | 16:02 |
| sdake | wondering where you been bro :) | 16:02 |
| sdake | grats on 10 years at csco :) | 16:02 |
| daneyon_ | thx | 16:02 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:02 | |
| rhallisey | daneyon_, nice! | 16:02 |
| sdake | first off summit was fantastic for containers | 16:03 |
| sdake | we gave a 40 minute talk on kolla | 16:03 |
| sdake | which I htink overall went pretty well and gave the audience an understanding of what we are working on | 16:03 |
| daneyon_ | i thought i was at DockerCon then realized it was an openstack conference | 16:03 |
| sdake | it didn't answer what we are working towards :) | 16:03 |
| daneyon_ | lol!!!! | 16:03 |
| sdake | roflcopter danyeon ;) | 16:04 |
| sdake | so ya, rockin job at the summit folks | 16:04 |
| rhallisey | :D | 16:04 |
| sdake | our irc channel members have doubled | 16:04 |
| sdake | thats a sign that people really care ;) | 16:04 |
| sdake | ok on with the meeting | 16:04 |
| sdake | #topic l1 blueprint review | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "l1 blueprint review (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:04 | |
| sdake | liberty 1 deadline is June 25th | 16:05 |
| sdake | unlike previous releases of kolla, where we were kind of loose with the release schedule I want to be strict this time around | 16:05 |
| sdake | any objections from the core team? | 16:05 |
| rhallisey | nada | 16:05 |
| daneyon_ | nope | 16:06 |
| jpeeler | sounds good | 16:06 |
| jpeeler | probably need to start filing more bugs into launchpad too | 16:06 |
| jpeeler | and referencing them from the commit | 16:06 |
| sdake | ya, we really need to stop slacking on the blueprint filing | 16:07 |
| sdake | we agreed a couple weeks ago to -1 reviews that don't reference a bug or blueprint | 16:07 |
| sdake | but we agreed to wait until after summit | 16:07 |
| sdake | so now is the time to put that agreement into affect | 16:07 |
| sdake | any objections to -1 a review without a blueprint or bug attached? | 16:08 |
| daneyon_ | nope | 16:08 |
| sdake | the reason we file blueprints and bugs is because all that stuff gets dashboarded | 16:08 |
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| sdake | so for the younger cats in the crowd a dashboard is how the check writers determine where to write the checks :) | 16:09 |
| sdake | stackalytics is a dashboard | 16:09 |
| sdake | stats matter to some people, so its better if our stats are accurate | 16:09 |
| sdake | please don't try to game the stats | 16:09 |
| sdake | but lets be accurate | 16:09 |
| sdake | plus it makes my life a whole lot easier determining what is in a release :) | 16:09 |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/l1 | 16:09 |
| sdake | here is what is on deck for June 25th | 16:10 |
| sdake | please take a moment to review | 16:10 |
| sdake | if there is something in that list that isn't going to happen for l1, please let me know now or prior to next meeting | 16:10 |
| sdake | i'll give it a few minutes for folks to look it over | 16:10 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, I might add something.. | 16:12 |
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| sdake | rhallisey we are free to add right up until the 24th of june :) | 16:12 |
| SamYaple | if we need blueprints or bugs to commit now, then ill be adding as well | 16:12 |
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| rhallisey | I'll add my min-env stuff there too | 16:12 |
| sdake | if you want to add something and you are not on the drivers team, please contact a someone on the drivers team to handle assigning the blueprint or bug to you and getting it in the l1 release | 16:13 |
| sdake | (i.e. your a new contributor) | 16:13 |
| sdake | samyaple cool works for me | 16:13 |
| sdake | try to be accurage with what you want to take on in l1 | 16:13 |
| sdake | fang has 4 blueprints, I think he may end up dropping some of those to l2 | 16:14 |
| inc0__ | sdake, I'm thinking of putting pacemaker/corosynk for later and start from keepalived | 16:14 |
| inc0__ | corosync* | 16:14 |
| sdake | inc0__ ok did you want me to make that change now? | 16:14 |
| inc0__ | I'll do that | 16:14 |
| sdake | ok | 16:14 |
| sdake | thanks :) | 16:14 |
| sdake | I can use all the help anyone can offer managing the launchpad tracker | 16:14 |
| * sdake tired of clikcy clicky | 16:15 | |
| sdake | ok thats about it for l1 | 16:15 |
| sdake | #topic kolla manifesto | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kolla manifesto (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:15 | |
| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-manifesto | 16:15 |
| sdake | this is a 10 minute collborative editing session of our mission | 16:15 |
| sdake | alot of folks had questions at summit about exactly what we do | 16:16 |
| sdake | we all have opinions | 16:16 |
| sdake | lets get em out there | 16:16 |
| sdake | a good manifesto should not be a phd dissertation | 16:16 |
| sdake | 1-2 liner | 16:16 |
| sdake | nobody has put in "we do deployment" | 16:19 |
| sdake | I'd like to have a discussion about that | 16:20 |
| SamYaple | i dont agree that it should be a requirement | 16:20 |
| SamYaple | i think rhallisey has what i see down | 16:20 |
| SamYaple | flexible containers to be consumed by deployment tools | 16:20 |
| sdake | samyaple huh? | 16:20 |
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| sdake | well we have already agreed unanmously previously deployment would be optioanl | 16:21 |
| SamYaple | ah ok then | 16:21 |
| sdake | shouldn't it be part of our manifesto? | 16:21 |
| SamYaple | "consumed by advanced orchestration tools"? that seems like it | 16:22 |
| sdake | i like line 3 and line 5 | 16:22 |
| sdake | perhaps we should merge those into one statement | 16:22 |
| sdake | any thoughts on that? | 16:23 |
| SamYaple | i agree with both. | 16:23 |
| jpeeler | yep | 16:24 |
| sdake | line 3 look solid? | 16:24 |
| SamYaple | I dont see security mentioned. i always held that up high | 16:24 |
| SamYaple | limiting perms where possible | 16:24 |
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| sdake | best practices? | 16:25 |
| SamYaple | would that be "best practices"? | 16:25 |
| sdake | we can define best practices | 16:25 |
| SamYaple | ok yea | 16:25 |
| rhallisey | I like it | 16:25 |
| sdake | ok i'm deleting 4+ | 16:25 |
| daneyon_ | i like it | 16:25 |
| sdake | everyone godo with that? | 16:25 |
| daneyon_ | ya | 16:25 |
| SamYaple | yes | 16:25 |
| jpeeler | +1 | 16:25 |
| sdake | befoe we decide on this manifesto, I want to have our 2200 meeting to get input from the other folks (mostly mandre) who can't make this timeslot | 16:26 |
| jpeeler | where is this text going to officially end up living? | 16:26 |
| sdake | on our wiki | 16:26 |
| sdake | which we dont have :) | 16:26 |
| sdake | we need a wiki apge | 16:26 |
| sdake | every project has a wiki page | 16:26 |
| sdake | anyone want to tackle that? | 16:27 |
| sdake | ok i'll add to my long list :) | 16:27 |
| sdake | #topic openstack namespace | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack namespace (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:27 | |
| sdake | atm we are in the stackforge namespace | 16:28 |
| sdake | there are not really many written rules about what it takes to get into the openstack namespace | 16:28 |
| sdake | but I've done it personally with 2 projects | 16:28 |
| sdake | so I know what it takes | 16:28 |
| sdake | I am certain we can get there this cycle | 16:28 |
| sdake | when we are ready, i'm going to propose us for the openstack namespace | 16:29 |
| SamYaple | what defines ready | 16:29 |
| sdake | we will have a vote on it prior to the git submission to the governance repo | 16:29 |
| sdake | samyaple its magic :) | 16:29 |
| SamYaple | :D | 16:29 |
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| jpeeler | SamYaple: it just feels right | 16:29 |
| sdake | jpeeler got it | 16:29 |
| sdake | we will all know the time | 16:30 |
| sdake | i feel it coming | 16:30 |
| sdake | diversity is part of it | 16:30 |
| sdake | our community is very diverse | 16:30 |
| sdake | which is why kolla rocks :) | 16:30 |
| sdake | I just wanted to have this discussion at the beginning of the cycle so folks know this isn't a science project and we are not wasting time | 16:30 |
| sdake | any questions? | 16:31 |
| inc0__ | sdake, we should get someone to run kolla on prod:) | 16:31 |
| inc0__ | later this release | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | inc0__: got that covered | 16:31 |
| sdake | inc0__ that would be helpful but not mandatory for openstack namespace | 16:31 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:32 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, I'm going to propose a new blueprint that allow containers to support accepting config from a config file | 16:32 |
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| rhallisey | any thoughts? | 16:32 |
| sdake | config file how? | 16:32 |
| rhallisey | pass a config file to overwrite the existing config | 16:33 |
| sdake | pass how | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | using --env-file | 16:33 |
| sdake | not familiar with that | 16:33 |
| sdake | i could rtfm or you could tell me about it | 16:33 |
| sdake | you mean our openstack.env file now? | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | that would be one way to config on the fly | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182168/ rhallisey | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | but I was also hoping to say overwrite nova.conf or something | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | that takes environment variables and builds a config | 16:35 |
| inc0__ | sdake, I found something like that https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/docker-user/FyCWLC38Ueg/gh_1-NMc2NYJ | 16:35 |
| sdake | rhallisey I think sam has a plan for that - is yours different in some way? | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: i can work with you on that, im flexible, but i think our end goals are the same | 16:36 |
| sdake | so I think its pretty clear we need to be able to support random config options to be viable | 16:36 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, ah ok ya that looks good | 16:36 |
| sdake | however we get there wfm | 16:36 |
| sdake | as long as it doesn't involve bindmounting the host os :) | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | sdake, the reason I think this is important is because it will help us build up our stock of neutron and cinder containers | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | since that config can be wild | 16:37 |
| sdake | i hear ya | 16:37 |
| sdake | just no -v /opt/kolla/etc:/etc ;) | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | agreed rhallisey. my patch says ansible, but can easily be generated any number of ways | 16:37 |
| sdake | that would make me cry inside | 16:37 |
| inc0__ | also that would help to decouple kolla containers from deployment methods | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | sdake: is that a jab at yaodu | 16:37 |
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| rhallisey | ha | 16:38 |
| sdake | do you do that in yaodu sam? | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | .... maybe | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | lol | 16:38 |
| sdake | wasn't a jab at that, just the model | 16:38 |
| sdake | I really want to avoid bindmounting | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | :) i agree with you, thats why im here | 16:38 |
| sdake | like REALLY want to avoid it | 16:38 |
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| sdake | and your dict env solves the problem nicely | 16:38 |
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| sdake | any other open discussion? | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | docker-registry setup script | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | I'm looking at that now if you think that's reasonable | 16:40 |
| sdake | dockr registry takes 5 minutes to setup | 16:40 |
| sdake | the only downside is it sets up on port 5000 by default (atleast in fedora) | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | ya so it's an easy scirpt | 16:40 |
| sdake | maybe taht should go in setup-docker | 16:40 |
| sdake | and we should rename thatfile setup-env | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | ya I'm not using 5000 :/ | 16:41 |
| sdake | ya clearly thats a bad idea ;-) | 16:41 |
| mstachow | maybe docker-registry based on bridged network with mapped port? | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | docker-registry is configurable port-wise | 16:41 |
| inc0__ | uhh...that would be counterintuitive | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | i use it with 80 and 443 | 16:42 |
| SamYaple | it just an env variable i blieve | 16:42 |
| rhallisey | it is | 16:42 |
| rhallisey | it's pretty arbitrary | 16:42 |
| sdake | people will either use setup-env or not | 16:42 |
| sdake | i dont use it | 16:42 |
| sdake | rather setup-docker | 16:42 |
| rhallisey | ya makes sense | 16:43 |
| sdake | its for new people to try our code out | 16:43 |
| sdake | makes sense to me make a bug for it | 16:43 |
| SamYaple | should we then have a "check" script to ensure the appropriate version and what not? | 16:43 |
| sdake | since its not really blueprint material ) | 16:43 |
| sdake | samyaple good idea if anyone wants to tackle it | 16:43 |
| sdake | so I totally blew the agenda | 16:44 |
| SamYaple | probably could just back it in to setup-docker as an option (and run it after the full script as well) | 16:44 |
| sdake | samyaple wfm - file bug :) | 16:44 |
| SamYaple | k | 16:44 |
| sdake | #topic continuous integration | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "continuous integration (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:44 | |
| sdake | so, F Fantastic job jpeeler did on beating the gate into submission | 16:44 |
| jpeeler | \o/ | 16:45 |
| sdake | we absolutely need an integration gate | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | w00t | 16:45 |
| sdake | this is required for openstack namespace in my opinion | 16:45 |
| jpeeler | agreed | 16:45 |
| sdake | we have more work to do | 16:45 |
| sdake | we have image building working | 16:45 |
| sdake | which was a serious chore | 16:45 |
| sdake | what is next? | 16:45 |
| jpeeler | just need a few setup scripts to be completed, think we're pretty close to being able to easily write a bunch of functional tests | 16:45 |
| sdake | next in my mind is genenv | 16:46 |
| sdake | next after that is kolla start | 16:46 |
| jpeeler | although... i also thought the image building would be a lot simpler. so maybe i should strike easily out | 16:46 |
| sdake | so genenv and kolla start with neutron | 16:46 |
| sdake | how precisely are we going to do that :) | 16:46 |
| sdake | I think we need some type of bridging setup for neutron to run on one interface | 16:46 |
| sdake | I want to gate on neutron not nova-network | 16:47 |
| sdake | daneyon_ any chance you can figure that out? | 16:48 |
| sdake | I tried and tried for like 5 days | 16:48 |
| SamYaple | sdake: whats the struggle? | 16:48 |
| sdake | we have a flat interface that should have no ip assigned that has internet access | 16:48 |
| sdake | we have a public interface that is our management network | 16:48 |
| sdake | I dont know if the builders have multiple ips | 16:49 |
| sdake | but I suspect they do not | 16:49 |
| SamYaple | can we use vlans? | 16:49 |
| sdake | other projects set up a br-ex | 16:49 |
| sdake | in the gate, I suspect not :) | 16:49 |
| sdake | i mean use sure, but have it work correctly not sure | 16:49 |
| SamYaple | is this multinode testing we are talking about? | 16:50 |
| sdake | single node neutron | 16:50 |
| jpeeler | it'd be good to have a working setup with only one network interface for usage outside of the gate too | 16:50 |
| sdake | totally agree | 16:50 |
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| sdake | to me, this single interface mode of operation is our most critical need atm | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | so is the network setup responsibility of the container, or external to the container? | 16:51 |
| sdake | kolla setup scripts | 16:51 |
| jpeeler | external | 16:51 |
| sdake | like init-runonce | 16:51 |
| sdake | or whatever its called now :) | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | yea should be easy to generate a few interfaces, be it bridge or otherwise | 16:51 |
| sdake | samyaple I tried and tried and couldn't get it to work correctly | 16:52 |
| sdake | but I didn't follow yoda's advice :) | 16:52 |
| sdake | so does someone want to do? :) | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | when do you need it by? i fear taking on to much and not delivering becuase of a new baby | 16:53 |
| sdake | at your own pace | 16:53 |
| sdake | but at the head of the queue :) | 16:53 |
| SamYaple | I can dig into it | 16:53 |
| sdake | nice | 16:53 |
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| sdake | #action samyaple is going to save the universe :) | 16:53 |
| SamYaple | agree | 16:53 |
| sdake | :) | 16:54 |
| sdake | good thing nobody has a shortage of egos here :) | 16:54 |
| sdake | ok anything else on the integrated gate? | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | how else would we get kolla in the openstack namespace | 16:54 |
| jpeeler | sdake: how do images get updated in the docker registry? | 16:54 |
| sdake | jpeeler are you planning to finish the rest of the gating work? | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | jpeeler: you push new images to the registry | 16:54 |
| jpeeler | nobody responded to my latest email about that topic | 16:54 |
| jpeeler | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064807.html | 16:55 |
| jpeeler | maybe it was too crazy | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | oh sorry i wasnt being sarcastic, i thought you meant local | 16:55 |
| sdake | jpeeler no idea how to do that in an automated way that keeps the infra team happy | 16:55 |
| sdake | if anyone has ideas how to push that doesn't take 5 hours i'm all ears | 16:55 |
| sdake | jeblair suggested a periodic post job that woudl run every 10-20 commits | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | i do, but it involves shrinking the containers | 16:56 |
| sdake | to update the images | 16:56 |
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| sdake | samyaple 4 minutes on the clock go :) | 16:56 |
| sdake | what is your proposal | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | right now we build containers with n number of layers and that includes stuff that may or may not be removed, due to layers. in yaodu i squeezed off 75% of the size by exporting and rebuilding the container from a tarball | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | the kolla containres are quite large | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | smaller size==faster push? | 16:57 |
| sdake | agree | 16:57 |
| sdake | so exporing and rebuild only 1 container? | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | it comes at the cost of removing container layer history (like a base image has no build history) | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | docker save... docker load...? | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | kinda, but it still uses the base image layer rhallisey | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | and all the other tiers | 16:58 |
| sdake | ok this slot is needed shortly lets overflow back into #kolla to finish the discussion on this proposal | 16:59 |
| sdake | thanks for coming :) | 16:59 |
| sdake | look forward to everyones contributions during liberty! | 16:59 |
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| sdake | lets rock it :) | 16:59 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 27 16:59:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-05-27-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-05-27-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-05-27-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 20:02 |
| nkrinner | hi | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | kewl! We have some people | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | :) | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 27 20:02:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:02 |
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| Rockyg | jokke_: bknudson dhellmann who am I forgetting? | 20:03 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:03 |
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| Rockyg | Hey, there! | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:04 |
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| Rockyg | First off, I want to thank dhellmann for the new release of oslo.log | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | Thanks, dhellmann! | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | Next, a recap of discussions at the summit | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | #topic Thanks for new oslo.log! | 20:06 |
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| bknudson | what did dhellmann do? | 20:06 |
| bknudson | it's got versionutils, so we should be able to use that in keystone | 20:06 |
| dims_ | bknudson: yep it's in there | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | oh, dims_ did that yesterday | 20:07 |
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| Rockyg | also, got a deprecation message in, global requirement updates | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | fixed a TRACE/ERROR issue | 20:08 |
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| Rockyg | fixed pep8 errors. | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | Improved docs around versionutils | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | fixed syslog stuff | 20:09 |
| jokke_ | cool | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | 741 insertions, 711 deletions. | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | onwards. | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | #topic Summit Rehash | 20:10 |
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| Rockyg | we now have three competing specs for requester ID. The second and third are cool because there are changes only in oslo.log and in the related project, I think. | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | trying to find the links. But, I have a question/concern for dhellmann, bknudson and other developers. | 20:12 |
| jokke_ | hmm-m ... I was reading that e-mail today and I think I'm bit confused around those | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | second review uses auth_token from Keystone. I get that one. | 20:13 |
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| bknudson | auth_token middleware | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | Third review (don't know if it's there yet) uses ID from os_profiler | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/134839 | 20:14 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 20:14 |
| bknudson | os_profiler kind of covered this already so it makes sense to use whatever they did. | 20:14 |
| bknudson | rather than invent something new | 20:14 |
| bknudson | maybe the request ID part could be split out of os_profiler | 20:14 |
| bknudson | oh, os profiler isn't accepted anyways | 20:15 |
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| Rockyg | Well, if os_profiler can't be turned off, I can see where this would be ok. | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: the spec isn't approved, but some projects have started adding os-profiler | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | But, I could see ops guys not wanting the extra bits of a profiler running during production | 20:15 |
| bknudson | actually it's os-profiler that should be able to use whatever request ID scheme that's actually accepted | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | we can make it possible to turn off the profiler data collection part, but keep the request id stuff always on | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't really care what we use as long as we pick one that works for all of our current use cases | 20:16 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: that would make me happier. It just seems a wierd way to architect for request ids | 20:16 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: I do agree, the req-id should be consumed by os-profiler, not other way around | 20:16 |
| Rockyg | Should we discuss this in the spec reviews, or take it to the mailing list? | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | I mean, it's nice that it's being taken on by the os-profiler, but I'm pretty sure that Keystone is a better fit for identity/security/architecture reasons | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | there was a mailing list thread, we should probably follow up there | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 20:19 |
| Rockyg | Great. | 20:19 |
| Rockyg | Thanks. | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064842.html | 20:19 |
| jokke_ | and related to those 3 Solutions, the message from ops was really loud and clear in the summit, they want the option 3 where a sindle ID follows all the way | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. We never did get to circle back to Abhishek | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: yeah, that's unlikely to be accepted by devs though | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | jokke_: for logs, yes, with a hop count. so the first one always has to be passed, but others could come and go? | 20:21 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: I think we should look into mirror on that and think to whom these things are developed for | 20:21 |
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| dhellmann | some requests fork, and you wouldn't be able to keep track of the separate threads if you only have one id | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: that solution just doesn't work technically, it's not a preference situation | 20:21 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: what does not work on it ... if we create id when it's not in request and pass it forward for any request created by the service, I don't see what technically would block it | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | the os-profiler model takes care of the threading, so we should look closely at what they do | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: jokke_ I think that's why we need to specify what gets passed in the log message, vs what is getting passed around. We should always pass the initiating requestID around, and sometimes others. | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | But, we should only pass the initiating request ID to log messages? | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: (a) we can't trust the incoming request id as being unique (b) if nova makes several calls to another backend service like neutron, those each need a separate request id because they might happen in parallel | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | I think we do need to look at the threading design in os-profiler | 20:24 |
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| Rockyg | can we take this as an action item to investigate further through code review and circle back next week? Does that make sense? | 20:25 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: the (a) is irrelevant and (b) has good point ... I think way bigger problem is how big ID field we need if we start generating new IDs for every interraction ... good couple of dozen of them for one request and we're pretty quickly out of the uniqueness in big deployment anyways | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: it would be good to have someone get all of the folks with proposals together to try to unify them | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | I would want to know how deep/often the forking happens | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: ++ | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | #action contact review authors and set an IRC meet | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: if you let me pass "jokke_" as my request id with every client call, you'll very quickly find that your logs are useless | 20:27 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: only regarding your requests and you're just shooting yourself into foot with that | 20:27 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: and that was pretty loose quote from the ops during the session when we were talking about that | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | I think it would be good if we could get an example log flow and walk through it to see what happens. In parallel to getting the three devs together | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | I'll ping the three devs, and the large system ops who was in the session to see what I can arrange. | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: thanks | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Will set up an etherpad for discussion and post it to the ML thread | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: I'll get a contact from our ops side for you as well as I think I didn't see any of our guys there | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Anything else we should bring up from the summit? Lots of oslo.log stuff, but I don't remember anything controversial about it :-) | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | no, not really | 20:32 |
| dims_ | etherpad of the oslo.log session - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-oslo-log-plans | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | the spec to clean up the default handling has already been approved for oslo, so I'll start working on that in a few weeks when some of the other work I'm doing is wrapped up | 20:33 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: anything I can help with there? | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | Oh, shoot. Just remembered. I likely won't be on next week. Need someone else to run the meeting just in case. I'll be in Boston for my college reunion | 20:33 |
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| Rockyg | thanks for the link, dims_ | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-oslo-log-plans | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: I have a pretty good idea of what's needed, but I'll want reviews | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | And also a heads up. The primary backers of the os-profiler review are both very *strong* personalities. | 20:35 |
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| jokke_ | dhellmann: drop me a line here or e-mail if there's something you want a hand with ... | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: sounds good, thanks | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: I'll try to find the time for it in reasonable notice | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: any chance I can get you to discuss this discussion with jamie lennox? He's the author of the second. | 20:37 |
| Rockyg | And, jokke_, how about abhishek? | 20:37 |
| bknudson | we talked to jamielennox at the summit | 20:37 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: yeah. Just an update , or make sure he's following the ML thread | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | I'll also ping. And thanks for the IRC handle | 20:38 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: I'm sure Abhishek is up for it ... I certainly am | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | Cool. We need to make sure we have some serious devops also in the mix. Get the design down well, first, before end results start appearing. | 20:39 |
| Rockyg | OK. next topic | 20:39 |
| Rockyg | #topic open discussion | 20:39 |
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| Rockyg | anything to talk about? | 20:39 |
| Rockyg | that is anything else? | 20:40 |
| bknudson | dhellmann: you can add me to the reviews for the logging changes. | 20:40 |
| Rockyg | I'll get on ops docs when I get back from Boston. Back on 6/8 | 20:40 |
| Rockyg | And I'll try to actually summarize the sessions and results within a week or two this time. | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: will do; I'm going to try to finish the namespace work before I start those | 20:41 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: drop me e-mail before next weeks meeting if you have some updtates ... I can chair it if we have something that needs attention | 20:41 |
| Rockyg | jokke_: ok, thanks | 20:41 |
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| Rockyg | Anything else we need to put on the table, or should we call this a wrap? | 20:42 |
| jokke_ | I don't have anything at least ... still trying to sort all my mental notes from the summit | 20:43 |
| * dhellmann has nothing to raise | 20:43 | |
| jokke_ | and survive from the jetlag ... this time around seems to be nasty one | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann, dims_: Also, I wanted to make sure you know that nkrinner is interested in working on oslo stuff | 20:44 |
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| dhellmann | Rockyg: great! | 20:45 |
| dims_ | Rockyg: nkrinner: welcome! | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | I got that right, nkrinner? | 20:45 |
| nkrinner | yeah, but i still have not started yet... | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | These guys can point you at something you can wrap your brain around to start you. | 20:45 |
| nkrinner | i have some other things to finish first, but i expect to start actively looking at oslo from next week on | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | Cool. then, it's a wrap | 20:46 |
| dims_ | nkrinner: just hop onto #openstack-oslo | 20:46 |
| nkrinner | dims_: thanks! | 20:46 |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 20:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 27 20:46:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-05-27-20.02.html | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | thanks all | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-05-27-20.02.txt | 20:46 |
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| nkrinner | cu | 20:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-05-27-20.02.log.html | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | nkrinner: also, join us monday for our team meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Oslo%20Team%20Meeting | 20:46 |
| nkrinner | dhellmann: will do, thanks | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | thanks, all! | 20:47 |
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