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| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa | 13:59 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 13:59 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 13:59 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 13:59 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 13:59 |
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| mfedosin | o/ | 13:59 |
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| lakshmiS | o/ | 13:59 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 14:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | Welcome all! | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | Looks like we've a good turnout :) | 14:01 |
| ajayaa | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | This shouldn't be a long one, hopefully | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | full house for proper moshpit :D | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | Let's get started | 14:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: that's what they all say | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | #topic RC1 | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:01 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | 2 specs need some reviews: | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/artifact-repository | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | and | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/catalog-index-service | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | Please add some of your thougts on the CIS (Catalog Service glance-spec) if you feel so | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138051/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #info We've until Monday evening (Tuesday morning in some places) to merge both of these or at least have 2 +2s (waiting on gate) for all the reviews on each of the specs | 14:03 |
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| nikhil_k | So, reviews are welcome from everyone | 14:04 |
| TravT | Reviews are definitely appreciated! | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | nikhil_k: do you mean reviews on the specs, or on the code patches? | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | They are in FFE period for those who might be unaware | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: on everything | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | that's a lot of LOCs to dump in over weekend :( | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | Here are some helpful links if you're in the mood of reviews: | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/artifact-repository,n,z | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/catalog-index-service | 14:05 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: and mfedosin are point of contacts for Artifacts reviews | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | points of contact* | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | and TravT is for CIS | 14:07 |
| TravT | lakshmiS krykowski as well on CIS | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | That's about the specs from my side. If anyone has some more input please go ahead. | 14:07 |
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| nikhil_k | If not, moving on. | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: was it you who added the glance_store and python-glanceclient stable branches point? | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | maybe it was TravT ? | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | If so (or one who added to etherpad is online), let me create a new topic for this for easier navigation. | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: yes | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | #topic glance_store and python-glanceclient stable branches | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glance_store and python-glanceclient stable branches (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:10 | |
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| * nikhil_k hands over the mic to jokke_ | 14:10 | |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: anything? | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | So as per the cross project spec (I do not have the link in hands now, will dig it out) all OS libs are expected to move to stable branching from this release | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | so we should start putting those branches in | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | this -> | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155072/ | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | yes that | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155072/ | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | (for the minutes) | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | I think this is a good timing since we recently released the library | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | ++ thanks | 14:12 |
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| nikhil_k | sounds like a good idea. Let's make sure that interested people are aware of the effects like TravT maybe? | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy to help with moving this forward | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, so jokke_ can we assign you to send an email to ML about we planning to implement this? or flaper87 | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | so I would suggest we keep our stable maint team handling those two libs as well instead of making dedicated maintainers groups for those, objections? | 14:14 |
| mclaren | I think this sounds great from a supportability/stability point of view. Really happy to see it happening | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: I agree | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I can send it out, I think we can figure out with flaper87 the actual work that needs to happen in repos | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | #action flaper87 and jokke_ to co-ordinate on stable branches for the client and libs incl. email to the ML | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | thanks jokke_ ! | 14:15 |
| mclaren | does this apply to clients aswell does anyone know? | 14:15 |
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| nikhil_k | mclaren: yes | 14:15 |
| TravT | When does it take affect? | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: it should yes | 14:15 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: thanks | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: jokke_ if you'd like help with that, I'll have more cycles after the summit probably | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | TravT: Kilo will be using the new stable and Liberty start following master | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: it should take effect after approval. I forget if it's retroactive or not | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: thanks, I'd like to get this done before the summit | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | it shouldn't take long, it's a matter of submitting a couple of patches to -infra | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: I'll have fewer cycles before that, but I'll try | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | But please ensure that we've critical bugs covered for both client and lib before marking it stable or at least have them with info for why we could not include them. | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | (as applicable) | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: even if we miss some, we can backport them | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | yes same backport rules apply and we can keep releasing stables when needed | 14:17 |
| wko | I have a critical client bug that needs some attention - it's been sitting since K1 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138612/ | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | sounds like a good idea. I don't believe we've security bugs in either at this point so, we can move forward with that plan | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | nice, thanks wko | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: can you please co-ordinate trello for that too so that we can review them easier/faster? | 14:19 |
| wko | welcome | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: sure | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | thanks jokke_ | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | can we move on to next topic? | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | #action jokke_ sets up trello cards for stable libs | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | (perfet) | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think that was all for now | 14:20 |
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| nikhil_k | cool. thanks/ | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | #topic RC potential | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC potential (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:20 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 14:21 |
| TravT | I think this one needs to be on there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166501/ | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | I think we've a lot of bugs put in RC1. It has been tasked to keep only the critical ones as blockers and mark the rest of them with 'kilo-rc-potential' tag | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I'd like to see as many bugfixes landing as possible, but lets not wait them | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | more we get them in now the less probably we will have rc4 or rc5 in our hands because something blew up after all or got forgotten ;) | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yeah, that sounds like a good idea. May be in next meeting we can share an etherpad with the one we feel should go in asap and spend some time discussing them. | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | #info by Monday the RC1 bugs list would have fewer items and the rest of them marked with 'kilo-rc-potential' tag. If you need something in RC1 please bring it to team's attention and get it moved to Critical level. | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | perhaps bug day on week after next to check up what has came out of rc1? | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | sure | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: ++ | 14:25 |
| mclaren | bug day sounds like a good idea | 14:25 |
| * sigmavirus24 wishes we had those more frequently =P | 14:25 | |
| nikhil_k | Cool | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | Moving on.. | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Adoptingno-downward-sql-migration | 14:26 |
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| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: please take over | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | So this is another cross-project spec | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/no-downward-sql-migration.html | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/no-downward-sql-migration.html | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | hah thanks nikhil_k | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | Essentially downwards migrations are considered a harmful practice at this point | 14:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | The spec suggests deprecating tooling that allows for them | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | == sigmavirus24 | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | And not adding down migrations to new migrations | 14:28 |
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| sigmavirus24 | So I'm proposing glance follows suit and deprecates using down migrations in its tooling in L | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | And we should figure out when a good removal date should be in M or after | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | so I deprecated downgrades in the latest commit | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: has already started by not adding down migrations in 040 ;) | 14:28 |
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| nikhil_k | Sounds like a fair plan. | 14:29 |
| * sigmavirus24 thanks mfedosin | 14:29 | |
| sigmavirus24 | that's all I have | 14:29 |
| * sigmavirus24 waits for objections or agreement | 14:29 | |
| * mfedosin agree | 14:29 | |
| nikhil_k | Adds weight to our stability focus so, the team can hopefully move up it's priority for L. | 14:29 |
| * flaper87 agrees | 14:30 | |
| * flaper87 +1'd that spec | 14:30 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: what are the actual things we're deprecating? | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | its* | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: cleaning the down parts from the migration scripts? | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: no | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | Just deprecating any tooling that performs downward migrations | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | And not adding new migrations with down pieces | 14:31 |
| mfedosin | it's in test_migrations function walk_versions | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | sure, do you have list of such tooling? | 14:31 |
| mfedosin | it has flag enable_downgrades or something | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | And adding recommendations for proper DB upgrades and suggestion for how to use earlier versions :) | 14:32 |
| mfedosin | so now it is False | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, I think a glance specific spec will be useful for this work | 14:32 |
| * sigmavirus24 thinks that is what jokke_ is getting at | 14:32 | |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: +1 | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | at least something to track what we're actually doing regarding this unless sigmavirus24 wants to take sole responsibility :P | 14:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol I don't | 14:33 |
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| nikhil_k | Someone who knows how to disappear can | 14:34 |
| * sigmavirus24 currently has a weird upstream/work balance at the moment | 14:34 | |
| nikhil_k | OK, can we move on for now ? | 14:35 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic NoSql backend support ( ajayaa ) | 14:35 |
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| ajayaa | Hi guys. | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | hey | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | hi | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:36 |
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| ajayaa | I was wondering whether glance team would be willing to have a NoSql backend. | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | we've had this conversations before and I think there was some agreement on doing it | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | flwang worked on a mongodb impl, IIRC | 14:36 |
| ajayaa | flaper87, I wasn't a part of it. | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | however, at this point, I think we'd need to discuss it over | 14:37 |
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| flaper87 | ajayaa: yup, just giving you a summary :D | 14:37 |
| ajayaa | It would be wonderful to read that conversation. | 14:37 |
| ajayaa | :) | 14:37 |
| ajayaa | that sounds cool. | 14:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | ajayaa: will you be at the summit? | 14:37 |
| mclaren | no irrational hatred of the idea on my part | 14:37 |
| ajayaa | sigmavirus24, not sure. :( | 14:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: can't tell if sarcasm or not | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | I'm ok with the idea, FWIW | 14:37 |
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| mclaren | is this something that other projects are considering? | 14:37 |
| * sigmavirus24 is neutral | 14:38 | |
| ajayaa | mclaren, Yes. I have already proposed a spec to Keystone. | 14:38 |
| ajayaa | They are happy with it. | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to know what technology and how it's going to be implemented. A spec would be wonderful | 14:38 |
| ajayaa | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148521/ | 14:38 |
| mclaren | ajayaa: ah, I thought they could already use mongo? (Probably confusing with 'other' implementation) | 14:38 |
| ajayaa | The above link is for Keystone btw. | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | I think it makes sense if there is wider pull for it across OS ... it kind of would not make sense having only in Glance | 14:39 |
| mclaren | flaper87: agree -- it would need to be done like the sql stuff is, ie fairly consistently between projects | 14:39 |
| ajayaa | rushiagr, ping | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | #link fwiw, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/enable-mongo-db | 14:39 |
| mclaren | jokke_: agreed. I'd ideally see this as Glance mainly consuming some kind of oslo effort | 14:39 |
| rushiagr | I'm a colleague of ajayaa, from Reliance, and I'll be at the summit | 14:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | == mclaren, jokke_ | 14:40 |
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| * sigmavirus24 hopes no one notices the tuple unpacking exception | 14:40 | |
| mclaren | ajayaa: rushiagr the main motivation here is? to speed up image listing? | 14:41 |
| ajayaa | mclaren, To have a scalable and fault torerant Openstack backend. | 14:41 |
| * nikhil_k raises exception.sigmavirus24() | 14:41 | |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k:++ | 14:41 |
| mclaren | ajayaa: and the specific benefit to users? | 14:42 |
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| jokke_ | rushiagr: /me likes that motivation | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | - rush | 14:42 |
| mclaren | (just trying to get a bit of understanding of where you're coming from, eg are there any existing bottlenecks you specifically want to address...) | 14:42 |
| rushiagr | mclaren: data resiliency | 14:42 |
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| jokke_ | ajayaa, rushiagr: so is mongo something you're planning to go with or do you have some other specific solution in mind for some specific reason? | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | rushiagr: Do you mean resiliency as in being able to handle custom metadata well and use flexible schema for such? | 14:43 |
| ajayaa | jokke_, Right now we are evaluating Cassandra and MagnetoDB as the backend. | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | I don't think we need a strong motivation or benefits table to allow for this innovation to happen. A bit of experimentation in this area would be good. IMHO. However, I'm very curious to know what tecnologies are being evaluated and why | 14:44 |
| mclaren | rushiagr: how will it be more resilient than eg mysql? (sorry I'm not a db expert) | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | especially because, if it happens, I'd like the nosql backend to be already part of openstack | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | for example, mongodb | 14:44 |
| ajayaa | FYI, MagnetoDB is an Openstack project which provides dynamodb api. | 14:44 |
| rushiagr | mclaren: mysql is a centralized solution, whereas we'll like a solution which works properly in case of failures | 14:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | So we need a spec and this seems like a good thing to discuss at the summit or on an email thread | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | There are solutions in sql for that too though, no? | 14:45 |
| pkoniszewski | rushiagr: what about SQL databases deployed in HA? | 14:45 |
| pkoniszewski | e.g. Galera | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | == pkoniszewski | 14:45 |
| mclaren | I guess the motivation can be clarified in a spec/whatever. | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | pkoniszewski: Although, the ML discussion on Galera wasn't a pleasing one | 14:46 |
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| pkoniszewski | that's true | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | ajayaa, rushiagr: I think spec and even more cross project or oslo spec would be great ... as mclaren said, would be great if we did not need to reinvent the wheel but consume something common across OS | 14:46 |
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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I now have another thing to search for | 14:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | == jokke_ | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | and ++ for summit meetup around that | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | not oslo, pls! | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | Either glance or cross-project spec | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | ajayaa: rushiagr: So, the takeaway from here can be - motivation for support of no-sql needs to be a bit more than HA and something that helps with the intricate design of Glance else we should pursure this as OpenStack wide subject discussion. | 14:47 |
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| nikhil_k | pursue* | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | == flaper87 | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | well said nikhil_k | 14:48 |
| mclaren | ajayaa: rushiagr is the keystone work very keystone specific? | 14:48 |
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| TravT | ajayaa: doesn't mongo have some ugly licensing associated with it | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | TravT: it's LGPL | 14:49 |
| pkoniszewski | ouch, he timed out | 14:49 |
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| flaper87 | lets not get in that mongodb license fight again | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | :) | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | As long as we don't force mongo into ppl's deployments, I think it's fine | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | heh | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: LGPL is acceptable in OpenStack | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | and the proposed driver is just optional | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | AGPL, GPL etc aren't | 14:50 |
| rushiagr | sorry, our wifi router chose the worst time to stop working | 14:50 |
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| flaper87 | or was it AGPL ? | 14:50 |
| TravT | ok, in my last hp internal project we couldn't use mongo for some reason. | 14:50 |
| ajayaa | Hey guys. | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | rushiagr: if it's sentient, I would kill it with fire to prevent it from taking over the world | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | so, conclusion, spec :) | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: agreed. | 14:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | Next topic? | 14:51 |
| ajayaa | AGPL | 14:51 |
| rushiagr | sigmavirus24: :) | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | 10mins left | 14:51 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 14:51 |
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| * rushiagr reads logs for missed outcome of nosql discussion | 14:51 | |
| mclaren | flaper87: (thanks for pointing out the license side of that) | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: it was actually TravT, I'm just defending mongodb :P | 14:52 |
| mclaren | TravT: (thanks for pointing out the license side of that, I know HP fears the AGPL) | 14:53 |
| TravT | yeah, i've been hit by it before. | 14:53 |
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| flaper87 | but again, it'd be an optional db so, nothing to fear | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | I'd like to drop a bomb at this point so we can just all agree it on last minute. There has been lots of work done on glance_store to separate it from glance. I think it would be time to start moving it to become oslo_store during Liberty :P | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: nope | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | We had that discussion when we split it | 14:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | hm | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | and we decided that it should stay under glance | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: as said we just could agree on it and start the work rather than argue about it :P | 14:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | So glance is the main consumer. Do other things want to use it? | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | because it's still related to how glance works, and it'll be used from cinder and nova in the future (ideally) | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: that was the reason why it was separated | 14:54 |
| mclaren | gosh, there's been a lot of churn there, I'd like things to settle for a while before another change... | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | == mclaren | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: yes | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | also, it's a core piece | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | if we move it to oslo, we need to split reviewers there too | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | L needs to be pow(lot, 1M) cooler than K | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | it's not like we can just say: "Hey oslo, it's now your problem" | 14:55 |
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| * flaper87 is part of the oslo core team and hell there's enough work there :P | 14:55 | |
| jokke_ | flaper87: so there is no difference under which project you break it? :P | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | Lets first get it adopted by other projects | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | and then we can discuss that point again | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: LOL | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: I agree with you. It's not being used by anyone else, so moving to oslo doesn't make sense. Once nova starts using it, may be we can revisit this topic. | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | (exactly what flaper87 said) | 14:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | yep | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | ok, can we then stop pretending it's not tied to glance and make sure it works for us first? | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | So, about the breakage. We really need better release management for that lib. It's not going to work if there is single point of failure. | 14:58 |
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| mclaren | I'm still not sure the degree to which glance_store has been 'codified', ie which bits we expect people are relying on and which bits we can change if we need to | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: the refactor is still happening | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | My perpective on reviews has been a bit worrysome. We focus too hard to sync with oslo and not review stuff that can cause other breakage. | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | I mean, the spec is there, it hasn't been approved yet and Cindy is working on the refactor | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | as soon as a patch is up there, we can start re-reviewing the spec | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | We need dedicated effort on this flaper87 as far as I can tell. | 14:59 |
| mclaren | flaper87: ok, thanks | 14:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | cpallares: if I can help, let me know | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | or frequent updates | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | == sigmavirus24 | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | I've tried to reach out to her for the same a few times. | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: yes, fwiw, I've been following up but I agree more updates are needed | 15:00 |
| * sigmavirus24 understands the problems with work/glance/real-life balance | 15:00 | |
| nikhil_k | anyways, we need to discuss this offline. | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | yep | 15:00 |
| cpallares | thanks sigmavirus24, I will :P | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | thanks | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| mclaren | thanks all | 15:00 |
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| jokke_ | thanks | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 15:00:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-03-26-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-03-26-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
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| b3rnard0 | hello | 16:00 |
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| cloudnull | hello :) | 16:01 |
| b3rnard0 | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 16:01:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b3rnard0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
| b3rnard0 | #chair cloudnull | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b3rnard0 cloudnull | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | presente | 16:01 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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| b3rnard0 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:02 |
| rackertom | o/ | 16:02 |
| stevelle | present | 16:02 |
| b3rnard0 | ello! | 16:02 |
| palendae | o/ | 16:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 16:02 |
| hughsaunders | hey | 16:02 |
| hughsaunders | palendae: thanks for the redirect :) | 16:03 |
| dstanek | o/ | 16:03 |
| Bjoern__ | Cisco Hey | 16:03 |
| Bjoern__ | lol | 16:03 |
| palendae | hughsaunders: welcome :) | 16:03 |
| mattt | \o | 16:03 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 16:03 |
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| b3rnard0 | only one from last meeting was | 16:04 |
| b3rnard0 | odyssey4me Solicit feedback from the mailing list as to whether os package management should be part of the project? | 16:04 |
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| b3rnard0 | not sure odyssey4me is here to answer that so we can prob keep it open | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | i dont believe that has been done at this point. | 16:05 |
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| b3rnard0 | okay, i'll keep it open | 16:05 |
| hughsaunders | any community members have an opinion? | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | ^ +1 | 16:05 |
| dstanek | is there a link to the thread? | 16:06 |
| hughsaunders | not sure its been started yet | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-03-12-16.00.log.html | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | that was from two weeks ago | 16:06 |
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| b3rnard0 | #action odyssey4me Solicit feedback from the mailing list as to whether os package management should be part of the project? | 16:07 |
| hughsaunders | 16:06:15 <odyssey4me> as I recall we agreed to wait until the 'manifesto' was compiled and agreed to before we went back to that | 16:07 |
| hughsaunders | which manifesto? | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | dstanek the tl;dr is if we should create a community apt repo for use within OSAD. | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | hughsaunders manifesto does not exist at this point . | 16:08 |
| palendae | As I remember, that was all about defining what's in scope for os-a-d | 16:08 |
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| cloudnull | palendae yes. | 16:09 |
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| cloudnull | so if nobody has anything to add to that, lets move on. | 16:10 |
| palendae | Nothing here | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | #topic Blueprints | 16:11 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible | 16:11 |
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| alextricity | whats up | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/dynamically-manage-policy.json | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | do you know whats going on with that? or can you get the people who were interested on working on it in here ? | 16:13 |
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| cloudnull | reason being is that bp and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/tunable-openstack-configuration both are loosely related. | 16:14 |
| alextricity | Yeah..givce me a min | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | so starting at the top: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/rsyslog-update | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | that bp has been implemented. in master. | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | it seems I neglected to change the state so thats resolved. | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | sigmavirus24: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/additional-tempest-checks | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | what say you ? | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | I concur | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | drafted by d34dh0r53 and assigned to you. | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1422936 was marked as "Fix Committed" as well | 16:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1422936 in openstack-ansible trunk "Tempest failing on TestNetworkBasicOps" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to Nolan Brubaker (nolan-brubaker) | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | so it would seem it's done | 16:16 |
| andymccr | i believe those are in the aio | 16:18 |
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| andymccr | so yeh i thinkt hats done | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | ok. | 16:18 |
| alextricity | cloudnull: I'm getting suda on here. He is resbonsible for that bp | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | so lets talk about the new kilo bps. | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | miguelgrinberg: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/heat-kilofication | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | i see one wip change. | 16:19 |
| mattt | cloudnull: yeah i've been trying to get some of that work done | 16:19 |
| mattt | not sure how much progress miguelgrinberg has made | 16:20 |
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| miguelgrinberg | mattt: have not done anything with heat yet, assumed you were starting | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | so can we change the commit ID to match that of the new overarching spec? | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | just to clean up what we have so far ? | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | IE https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/master-kilofication | 16:21 |
| mattt | cloudnull: sure | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | 's/commit ID/implements tag in the commit/' | 16:21 |
| mattt | cloudnull: i can do that | 16:21 |
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| cloudnull | i'd like to see that done with all of the other ones as well. | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | We can also use "Partially implements" since the master-kilofication is probably not going to be fixed by one change | 16:23 |
| mattt | sigmavirus24: good idea, and i think i followed sigmavirus24's lead on the commit message :P | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | Should probably all use the appropriate topic branch too in gerrit to track these more easily | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | mattt: probably, I did mine wrongly | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Then again, one change can affect multiple bps) | 16:24 |
| sacharya | cloudnull: l am around | 16:24 |
| palendae | I'm pretty sure there's not much to do with swift for kilofication; they've had 2 very small releases since Juno | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | ok. | 16:26 |
| palendae | 2.2.0 to 2.2.2 | 16:26 |
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| cloudnull | sacharya can you go over the bp for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/dynamically-manage-policy.json | 16:26 |
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| cloudnull | is there code that pertains to that bp that we can review ? | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | and move the bp into a beta status ? | 16:27 |
| sacharya | oh yeah, so basically its a custom module similar to the copy or template module… it will take src, updates and dest as arguments ….src is json only for now and any updates provided will update the key-values in that src json | 16:28 |
| sacharya | I am calling it copy_updates plugin for now… and open to suggestions for now | 16:28 |
| sacharya | I am basically cleaning it up rt now and will send for review soon | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | nice. | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | im moving the bp to "in progress" but would love to see a wip with partial implementation for review | 16:30 |
| sacharya | not familiar with launchpad.. how do i move the bp to in progress ? | 16:30 |
| sacharya | cool | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | ill be happy to go over all of the lp bits offline. | 16:30 |
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| cloudnull | are there any other bp's that we want to talk about ? | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | IE hughsaunders https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/manage-resolv-conf | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | also can we get some of these converted into specs? | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | we now have a specs repo, where all bp work should go into moving forward . | 16:32 |
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| b3rnard0 | #info cloudnull:we now have a specs repo, where all bp work should go into moving forward . | 16:32 |
| hughsaunders | cloudnull: that came from a situation during an upgrade. | 16:32 |
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| hughsaunders | cloudnull: I wasn't sure if the solution should go into OSAD, so created a blueprint for discussion | 16:33 |
| hughsaunders | much discussion has not happened | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | whats your opinion on the matter ? | 16:33 |
| hughsaunders | batteries included, lets add a play to manage resolv.conf, but make it optional so people can use it if they require it. | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | other thoughts ? | 16:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | can we generate something and not copy it into place? | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | kind of like the container host-ip file | 16:36 |
| palendae | hughsaunders: was that related to the scenario where an infrastructure DNS server was hosted on a cloud that got rebooted? | 16:37 |
| hughsaunders | palendae: I don think so. It was related to a scenario where the hosts resolv.conf was managed by an external set of playbooks, but the containers all had the default form our playbooks (8.8.8.8) so the containers couldn't resolve internal things. | 16:38 |
| palendae | Ah | 16:39 |
| palendae | Ok | 16:39 |
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| cloudnull | so hughsaunders can you convert that to a spec and resubmit it for approval ? | 16:40 |
| hughsaunders | ok | 16:40 |
| hughsaunders | cue b3rnard0 | 16:40 |
| b3rnard0 | #action hughsaunders convert that to a spec and resubmit it for approval | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | so moving on, we have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166986/ | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | that is implementing the changes required to make kilo | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | so i'd love to get some more eyes on that . | 16:41 |
| palendae | I'll rebuild that today to check the behavior mattt found | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | such that its not holding up the work on the various other projects. | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | are there any other reviews that we want to talk about ? | 16:43 |
| mattt | palendae: i'm still having networking issues, but Apsu helped me get past some of them | 16:43 |
| mattt | so i may remove that -2 for the time being | 16:43 |
| palendae | Ah, so they were unrelated? | 16:43 |
| palendae | I'm still going to double check networking, since I didn't touch that in my last test | 16:43 |
| mattt | yeah, due to bad user variables configuration | 16:43 |
| palendae | Ok | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | i think if its passing our min gating tests and gets passed our individual build reviews i think we should move forward with it and then address shortcomings localized to the individual projects. | 16:45 |
| mattt | i would love to see it pass a few scenario tests to know relative functionality is there | 16:46 |
| mattt | i've not been able to do that tho | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | i'd also like to track closer to the head of the master at this point to make sure we're able to catch issues as they come up as the various RC's are released over the next month. | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | mattt agreed. i think once the RC's start rolling out we should re-enable the scenario tests. | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | also we'll need to make sure we're on an appropriate release of tempest. | 16:48 |
| mattt | cloudnull: yeah hughsaunders will be validating that i believe | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | right now were on the head of master as of a week ago. | 16:48 |
| mattt | anyway -2 removed | 16:48 |
| andymccr | that PR is quite large and seems to fix multiple bugs. | 16:48 |
| andymccr | its really hard to review that thoroughly | 16:48 |
| andymccr | is there really no way to split it? | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | converting juno to kilo piece meal is all but impossible. | 16:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | ^ this | 16:49 |
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| cloudnull | not without disabling all of gating. | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | gating is overrated | 16:49 |
| mattt | cloudnull: could the galera changes etc. be moved out to separate commits ? | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | things merge easier without it | 16:49 |
| b3rnard0 | don't you have diagrams to diagram? | 16:50 |
| andymccr | it just seems "not ideal" to me to have these massive patches affecting everything as frequently as we are seeing them. | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | well intruth about every six months there will be a large-ish patch to update to the latest OS release. | 16:51 |
| mattt | andymccr: most of the changes are required to jump step between juno/kilo | 16:51 |
| andymccr | no i understand that - but surely we can do pre work | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | mattt the galera changes could be backed out. they were added because i couldn't re-boostrap a cluster without them | 16:52 |
| b3rnard0 | did we not agree in our contributing guidelines about the size of commits? sounds like these types of patches would be one exception | 16:52 |
| andymccr | e..g "patch 1 - prep keystone for kilo"? | 16:52 |
| mattt | andymccr: i don't think that'd work | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | andymccr what would that have looked like ? | 16:52 |
| mattt | you're either using juno or kilo | 16:52 |
| mattt | our system can't handle bits and pieces running different things | 16:52 |
| andymccr | e.g. the glance change | 16:52 |
| andymccr | could go in juno with options set for juno that would then work in kilo | 16:53 |
| andymccr | the kilo patch would simply change the api version | 16:53 |
| andymccr | with functionality added in juno | 16:53 |
| palendae | Can the services themselves span versions? e.g. juno keystone and kilo glance? | 16:53 |
| andymccr | that too. | 16:53 |
| mattt | palendae: i think so? | 16:53 |
| palendae | I honestly don't know, which is why I'm asking | 16:53 |
| andymccr | im very much against blanket changes in the name of "making the boat go faster" | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | keystone yes, most of the other services no. | 16:53 |
| andymccr | so if there is a better way of getting this split out then id rather we do that. | 16:54 |
| palendae | cloudnull: So kilo glance and nova expect both to be on kilo | 16:54 |
| palendae | ? | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | yes. generally speaking. | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | that said i didn't specifically test that. | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | i found no reason to. | 16:54 |
| palendae | Yeah, I don't think any of us have | 16:54 |
| mattt | i think that is going to complicate things | 16:54 |
| mattt | i don't advocate us doing changes like that | 16:55 |
| palendae | mattt: Yeah, neither is great | 16:55 |
| palendae | I would say if we have multi-patch changes like that (one service at a time), it wouldn't be releasable anyway | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | palendae yes gating would have to be disabled. | 16:56 |
| palendae | Lots of things would be wonky, gating included | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | you generally can't mix service versions | 16:56 |
| dstanek | i've found that beyond Keystone some of the projects add features from other projects; so only upgrading some here and there may require lots of testing | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, major versions | 16:56 |
| palendae | Sam-I-Am: That makes sense | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | it *should* work because API standards... | 16:57 |
| andymccr | well our gate is based on branches | 16:57 |
| palendae | dstanek: I'd only propose it as a way to make the version to version upgrade patches more digestable | 16:57 |
| palendae | Not anything long term | 16:57 |
| andymccr | so if we adjust the gate tests once we move | 16:57 |
| andymccr | we can then do more incremental changes | 16:57 |
| andymccr | e.g. we increase the tests we do on the new branch as we improve it. | 16:57 |
| dstanek | palendae: that would probably be find then, just update the projects withouts deps first and work your way backward | 16:57 |
| andymccr | allowing us to actually stick to our contributing guidelines and have easier to review PRs | 16:57 |
| cloudnull | andymccr that wouldn't work from a python packaging perspective. | 17:00 |
| cloudnull | we'd have conflicting requirements all over the place. | 17:00 |
| andymccr | cloudnull: why? im simply suggesting we move to kilo, but reduce the gate tests for that branch | 17:00 |
| stevelle | time | 17:00 |
| cloudnull | how would we move to kilo? | 17:00 |
| andymccr | that way we can move towards a working gate once we have everything fixed which happens more incrementally | 17:00 |
| andymccr | you make a change to setup the services on kilo, and adjust the gate for that branch at the same time | 17:01 |
| cloudnull | so master would be 100% broken until we fix all the things ? | 17:01 |
| palendae | Shared package versions would be messed up | 17:01 |
| andymccr | cloudnull: yes, but we can fix the issues in bits rather than 1 massive thing | 17:01 |
| andymccr | the end result is exactly the same | 17:01 |
| andymccr | just with smaller more manageable PRs that fit our contributing guidelines | 17:01 |
| b3rnard0 | is that it for this meeting? we are slightly over | 17:01 |
| cloudnull | ah we're over , we can continue in the channel . | 17:02 |
| b3rnard0 | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 17:02:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-03-26-16.01.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-03-26-16.01.txt | 17:02 |
| cloudnull | Thanks everyone. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-03-26-16.01.log.html | 17:02 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting test_eavesdrop | 23:45 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 23:45:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:45 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: test_eavesdrop)" | 23:45 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'test_eavesdrop' | 23:45 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting test_eavesdrop | 23:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings" | 23:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 23:45:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test_eavesdrop/2015/test_eavesdrop.2015-03-26-23.45.html | 23:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test_eavesdrop/2015/test_eavesdrop.2015-03-26-23.45.txt | 23:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test_eavesdrop/2015/test_eavesdrop.2015-03-26-23.45.log.html | 23:45 |
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