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| sigmavirus24 | Glance meeting? | 15:00 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 15:00 |
| krykowski | sounds good | 15:00 |
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| kragniz | yah | 15:00 |
| ivasilevskaya | o/ | 15:00 |
| TravT_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | Where is our fearless leader? | 15:00 |
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| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:00 |
| Olena | o/ | 15:00 |
| krykowski | o/ | 15:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | ;) | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 15:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 15:01 |
| kragniz | o/ | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 15:01 |
| stevelle | o/ | 15:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 15:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 15:01 |
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| nikhil_k | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
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| TravT_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan | 15:02 |
| ivasilevskaya | o/ | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | (for all those not already here) | 15:02 |
| rosmaita | nikhil_k: should probably paste that in #openstack-glance | 15:02 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:02 |
| kragniz | rosmaita: too late! | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | did too! thanks for the pointer :) | 15:02 |
| Olena | o/ | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | seems like we've a small agenda but a few other items to be covered nonetheless in today's meeting | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | #topic k3 status | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "k3 status (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:03 | |
| nikhil_k | (jitter beinb observed, apologize the delay in messages) | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-k3 | 15:04 |
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| nikhil_k | Please keep a special note on | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | Glance images output sorting in v2 | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | that one needs a API minor version bump | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | (for server side changes) | 15:05 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT_: did we get any more input on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107676/ ? | 15:05 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: is blocked on it | 15:05 |
| TravT_ | Steve spent all afternoon on it. | 15:05 |
| nikhil_k | huh :/ | 15:06 |
| TravT_ | he's looking at different ways to handle it | 15:06 |
| TravT_ | but I guess there isn't a reason to block it | 15:06 |
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| TravT_ | we'll just have to figure out how to make it work. | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | TravT_: ok, thanks. is he on IRC? | 15:06 |
| TravT_ | no, i'm trying to track him down this morning. | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | TravT_: may be ativelkov and mfedosin can chat with him.. | 15:07 |
| ativelkov | The idea behind that spec is that it is not exclusive, it's just one way of doing things. If at some point we even decide to do not do them in semver way, then no harm will be done | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | sure, you all please co-ordinate and do let me know so that we can try to get that one in today | 15:07 |
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| TravT_ | the only troublesome part of that is the release tag handling. | 15:07 |
| TravT_ | but that is a semver issue | 15:08 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: the thing is pep440 might not be very neat for elastic search style (java code) but may fit in just fine.. | 15:08 |
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| TravT_ | steve figured out a way that he thinks will work with queries, but it is kind of ugly. | 15:08 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: the proposal has some bits reserved - so we may easily (without compatibility breaking) add that pep-440-style pre-release tags easily | 15:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: pep440 is ruled out either way | 15:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | it was an early suggestion that no one has brought up since it was excluded | 15:09 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 15:09 |
| TravT_ | steve just came online... | 15:09 |
| ativelkov | i.e. we can do "Linux-compatible semver" (the one Monty has made for pbr) easily using the same data structure | 15:09 |
| ativelkov | which is actually a good old semver + pep440-style pre-release tags | 15:10 |
| mfedosin | ativelkov, will it be compatible with the standard btw? | 15:10 |
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| ativelkov | mfedosin: define standard :) | 15:10 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: makes sense, we'd get to spec then soon | 15:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: all versioning standards are incompatible with each other. that's the point | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | (for approval - if sigmavirus24, rosmaita have time. flavio is not here) | 15:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | approval of the spec? | 15:11 |
| mfedosin | I like how they do things in pbr, if we have the same it'll be good | 15:12 |
| * sigmavirus24 is working on $WORK things for the most part | 15:12 | |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: that was also ruled out | 15:12 |
| jokke_ | why pbr was actually ruled out? | 15:13 |
| ativelkov | The idea was to add semver (2.0) for now and start adding support for others afterwards | 15:13 |
| jokke_ | I think I missed that | 15:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: the conclusion of the spec was to limit the versioning capability to a defined "standard" that subsets of multiple developer communities follow as opposed to a standard that entire communities follow | 15:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | *entire developer communities | 15:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | Because none of the discussed versioning systems support every versioning system available (although pbr's semver-pep440 hybrid can sort of work with debian/ubuntu/fedora/etc.) | 15:13 |
| ativelkov | jokke_: it was not completely ruled out, but the concern was that it is very openstackish standard, while artifacts are not only openstack things | 15:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | The need for SemVer is to be able to sort in the database and because it provides constraints on the number of components in the version string | 15:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: although the early consumers of artifacts will only be openstack from what I'm hearing from Jay Pipes and others | 15:15 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: oh? So to whom we're doing this if not OS? | 15:15 |
| ativelkov | so we may add pbr support as the second available format | 15:15 |
| ativelkov | not only OS | 15:15 |
| ativelkov | e.g. Murano is generic Application Catalog, so Murano Applications are written by other developers, not from OS-community. Probably they are not written in Python | 15:16 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: ok, cool. That was actually the reason why I was personally pro pbr as it seems to be "the" OS way ;) | 15:16 |
| ativelkov | The services which consume artifacts are OS-services. But the artifacts themselves are not | 15:17 |
| ativelkov | even VM Images are not OS-specific stuff :) | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | (about to say) | 15:17 |
| ativelkov | There is just a single concern: "version" is a generic artifact property, but we will end up with letting artifact plugin developers to specify their preferred versioning standard. That's fine unless plugin developers decide to change the standard between different plugin versions | 15:18 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: but isn't it more important then that the service consumers can deal with our versioning sematics than the actual content of the artifact? (just a thought) | 15:18 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: please remember this is experimental and extensible | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | (though, good to bring it up early) | 15:19 |
| ativelkov | jokke_: the semantics (i.e. the actual meaning behind the version) is up to the plugin/service. We only care about sorting and filtering | 15:19 |
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| ativelkov | unfurtunately different standards have different view even on sorting and filtering | 15:20 |
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| ativelkov | Anyway, I'll add a spec on the generic extensibility of version field (i.e. some programmatic ways of adding new versioning standards later) - and an implementation of pbr-style versioning based on it | 15:21 |
| ativelkov | but that goes to L already | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: thanks! We'd open L after (I think) | 15:22 |
| ativelkov | for now we do really need semantic_version to land to global_requirements | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: the issue is we need to wait and see how it's actually being used rather then extending it in that direction now | 15:22 |
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| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: you'll need to bother requirements-core then | 15:22 |
| ativelkov | otherwise all our patches have -1 from jenkins, which is a bit not good | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 15:23 |
| ativelkov | sigmavirus24: I did. They say "we need the spec approved" | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: are we doing your BP in K https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/pass-targets-to-policy-enforcer ? | 15:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I'll try to work on it tonight but I have $WORK things to do during the day | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: yeah, I posted a comment on that review but later found our dependency with CIS | 15:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: we can get a partial implementation in but I'm not sure we'll get everything n | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: ok, thanks. | 15:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also there are changes in the queue that make that BP a moving target | 15:24 |
| ativelkov | rosmaita: I think the semver spec had a +2 from you, it got removed when I fixed couple of nits. Could you please put it back please? :) | 15:24 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I think it's the CIS changes and the activate/deactivate changes that are currently following the wrong practice | 15:24 |
| rosmaita | ativelkov: will do it right now | 15:24 |
| nikhil_k | #info From the looks, we _may_ get FFE for CIS, Artifacts | 15:24 |
| mfedosin | what about sorting? | 15:25 |
| nikhil_k | But we got a thumbs up from API-WG on deactive spec!? | 15:26 |
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| nikhil_k | (deactivate) | 15:26 |
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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: you got acquiescence that it was Glance's choice to make | 15:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko found old examples that worked in your favor | 15:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | The opinion has changed since then on the ML after Flavio pointed out a few things | 15:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | So it wasn't approval, it was "We've talked about this for three meetings and every possible solution presented was met with 'No' so we give up" | 15:27 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: the vote should have been more carefully worded, then | 15:27 |
| rosmaita | this is a big problem if we are going to re-litigate every change | 15:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: if you're going to decide on something at a summit and simply want a rubber stamp, don't bring it to the API-WG | 15:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also my complaints about activate/deactivate are simply in it using policy enforcer wrong (which I think is leading to this discussion) | 15:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Because currently, everything is using the policy enforcer wrong) | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: it was very carefully discussed, and the counter agruments were not very convincing. we can take this offline | 15:28 |
| nikhil_k | thanks! | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: how about your BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/swift-retry-wait ? | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146437/ | 15:29 |
| mclaren | I think I'm getting some traction on the swiftclient changes | 15:30 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: mclaren is currenly looking at moving that logic into swiftclient | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: can we get those -1s removed? | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: ah ok | 15:30 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: so that's on hold for a while | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: sorry, misunderstood | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | thanks! | 15:30 |
| kragniz | I'll -W to make it clearer | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | seems like sabari fixed the tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148426/ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/vmware-store-multiple-datastores | 15:31 |
| mclaren | if the swiftclient changes go in we'll still nee[C[C[C[Cd a small bit of work on the glance side | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: that's happening in K? | 15:31 |
| mclaren | Dunno. The changes need to merge and a new swiftclient release too | 15:32 |
| mclaren | (I'd like it to though) | 15:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's too early for notmyname to be up probably but we should see if swift can tell us the feasibility of that | 15:32 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: that's to get the config options passed to the swiftclient, right? (the glance change needed) | 15:33 |
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| mclaren | If the changes go in we can also potentially simplify the CooperativeReader fix | 15:33 |
| kragniz | jokke_: yes, that would happen in glance_store | 15:34 |
| mclaren | jokke_: removal of the retry_iter | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | hmm | 15:34 |
| kragniz | then a glance patch to add to the default config | 15:34 |
| jokke_ | I don't think that would be a problem even shortly after FF if they go past it | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: we cannot extend doc freeze date (I think) or it's difficult bargain | 15:35 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: ah darn ... forgot them :( | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | #info Please merge doc related changes on or before Mar12th | 15:35 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: does Doc freeze same time as oslo? | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: thanks. We should decide on landing it in Kilo may be on Mar10th? | 15:36 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: sure | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: worth checking, but it seems 19th from this | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:37 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: yeah 19th is the general freeze, oslo freezez week earlier as in 12th | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: err, forgot the mention that the string freeze is mentioned as 19th there | 15:37 |
| ativelkov | BTW, do we observe feature proposal freeze? | 15:38 |
| jokke_ | *puuh* so we have two weeks instead of week with those :) | 15:38 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: same as code freeze, 12th | 15:39 |
| nikhil_k | (per project basis) | 15:39 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: :) | 15:39 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: so do we freeze @ 12th or @ 19th? | 15:40 |
| nikhil_k | #info I've suggested ativelkov et.al. and TravT_ et.al. to make smaller changes found in their features as a part of bugs after k3 (during RCs). Excludes. security issues found, 500s founds, doc, API etc ImpactFlags missing. | 15:40 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: 12th is project freeze and week for FFEs and bugs before rc1 | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | that's to ensure that we're not missing the entities mentioned in the info I pasted above | 15:41 |
| ativelkov | Agreed. We've also stopped pushing new patchsets to prevent rebases | 15:41 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k, ++ | 15:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: thank you. Thanks makes review efforts far simpler | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | please be on the look out, this spec needs a doc change in glance (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148426/) so does zhiyan's BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/store-capabilities | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | moving on, unless there's something more.. | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reviews/Bugs/Releases | 15:44 |
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| nikhil_k | We'd client and store releases recently | 15:44 |
| jokke_ | yeii | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | If any features have client related changes that should go in Kilo please ping sigmavirus24, kragniz , zhiyan , hemanthm , flavio or me for adding in the https://trello.com/b/GFXMXxsP/openstack-glance | 15:45 |
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| nikhil_k | That will ensure visibility | 15:45 |
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| jokke_ | or me ;) | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | (That's it from me on this one) | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yes, sorry... | 15:46 |
| jokke_ | np | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | especially jokke_ (please send him a lot of pings) ;) | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | He's our stability hero, afterall! | 15:47 |
| jokke_ | yeah, more I add them in there, the less I get spam stuff being changed :P | 15:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: heh | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:48 | |
| jokke_ | I have couple of things I forgot to put on the agenda | 15:48 |
| jokke_ | 1) Log Working Group had first meeting yesterday, looking for liaisons in projects ... I marked myself down already ... if someone else insists feel free to change :D | 15:49 |
| jokke_ | 2) With the logging please, please, please read this: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/log-guidelines.html | 15:49 |
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| jokke_ | 3) As it does not seem to have effect on the participants could we please stop this 1hr alternating on the meetings? It's just annoying and confusing | 15:50 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: +1 to all | 15:51 |
| hemanthm | I don't mind as long as nikhil_k is send courtesy reminders :) | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | #startvote can we please stop this 1hr alternating on the meetings? | 15:51 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: can we please stop this 1hr alternating on the meetings? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 15:51 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | #vote Yes | 15:51 |
| rosmaita | #vote Yes | 15:51 |
| hemanthm | #vote yes | 15:51 |
| ativelkov | #vote yes | 15:51 |
| jokke_ | #vote Yes | 15:52 |
| mfedosin | #vote Yes | 15:52 |
| kragniz | #vote yes | 15:52 |
| ativelkov | If we stop, what is the fixed time then? | 15:52 |
| ativelkov | Both are ok for me, just curious | 15:52 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: 14.30 UTC? | 15:52 |
| jokke_ | Either one of the existing ones is better than current\ | 15:52 |
| mclaren | I think one was better for Zhi Yan? | 15:53 |
| lakshmiS | #vote yes | 15:53 |
| mclaren | but can't remember | 15:53 |
| ivasilevskaya | #vote Yes | 15:53 |
| Olena | #vote Yes | 15:53 |
| jokke_ | I think Zhi Yan prefers as early as possible due to TZ | 15:53 |
| kragniz | mclaren: I'm guessing the earlier one | 15:53 |
| mclaren | ok | 15:53 |
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| nikhil_k | I think TravT_ is affected but is being overwhelmed by majority | 15:54 |
| TravT_ | In a week time changes | 15:54 |
| TravT_ | so it won't be so bad | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: lakshmiS TravT_ ^ | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | ah ok | 15:54 |
| jokke_ | TravT_: even better then ;) | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | #endvote | 15:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | #vote yes | 15:55 |
| openstack | Voted on "can we please stop this 1hr alternating on the meetings?" Results are | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | oops | 15:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | ;) | 15:55 |
| * sigmavirus24 is distracted this morning | 15:55 | |
| ativelkov | Seems like the bot prefers alterations | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | #action nikhil_k to send email to ML for readjusting the meeting time to 14:00UTC | 15:55 |
| kragniz | ativelkov: the bot just can't make up its mind | 15:55 |
| jokke_ | that was all from me this time | 15:55 |
| mfedosin | folks, Zhi Yan asked me to know, is there a possibility to direct access glance_store from Nova as it mentioned in the spec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/create-store-package | 15:56 |
| jokke_ | I'd like to also assume that the review cleanup is ok as no more e-mails for over 2 weeks now on the mailchain ;) | 15:56 |
| mfedosin | because I don't know how to show it in the developer documentation | 15:57 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: the lib is out there, Nova can use it if they want to | 15:57 |
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| nikhil_k | email from jokke_ about Log Working Group, http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2015-03/msg00328.html | 15:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: have you not seen the one John Griffith started about auto-abandon? | 15:57 |
| mfedosin | jokke_, nice, thank you | 15:57 |
| kragniz | jokke_: have you read the other threads on it? | 15:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: the community seems mostly against it | 15:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | s/mostly/majority/ | 15:57 |
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| kragniz | jokke_: (last email about half an hour ago) | 15:58 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: I'd disagree ... the few loud one is community seems to be drumming the same message against it ;) | 15:58 |
| jokke_ | "ones are" even | 15:58 |
| kragniz | anyway, we're out of time | 15:59 |
| TravT_ | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| jokke_ | thnx! | 16:00 |
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| mclaren | ciao | 16:00 |
| pennerc | thnx | 16:00 |
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| kragniz | thanks | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 16:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 16:00:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-03-05-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-03-05-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-03-05-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| b3rnard0 | hello | 16:00 |
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| d34dh0r53 | good morning b3rnard0 | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | hello | 16:01 |
| mattt | \o | 16:01 |
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| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:02 |
| BjoernT | Hi | 16:02 |
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| palendae | Morning | 16:02 |
| d34dh0r53 | 0/ | 16:02 |
| b3rnard0 | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 16:02:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b3rnard0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:02 |
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| b3rnard0 | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda & rollcall (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:03 | |
| odyssey4me | o/ :) | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | present | 16:03 |
| b3rnard0 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:03 |
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| b3rnard0 | i be present | 16:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | yo | 16:04 |
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| stevelle | present | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:05 |
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| sigmavirus24 | << "present" | 16:06 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last week (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:06 | |
| b3rnard0 | cloudnull continue pinging jhesketh about creating a separate repo and other things -- updates? | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | i pinged , i know what to do, i've not done it because i took time off. | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | so i failed. | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:07 |
| b3rnard0 | np. i'll keep it open as an action item | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | ill try and get everything in by end of week | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | we must all do the communal dance of shame in a circle around cloudnull | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | hahaha | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | haha! | 16:08 |
| b3rnard0 | #action cloudnull continue pinging jhesketh about creating a separate repo and other things | 16:08 |
| b3rnard0 | odyssey4me Solicit feedback from the mailing list as to whether os package management should be part of the project? -- updates? | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | My bad - haven't done it. I'll get it done this evening. | 16:09 |
| b3rnard0 | k, keeping that one open as well | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | I'll join cloudnull in the walk of shame. :p | 16:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | slackers | 16:10 |
| b3rnard0 | #action odyssey4me Solicit feedback from the mailing list as to whether os package management should be part of the project? | 16:10 |
| * cloudnull joining the dance of shame | 16:10 | |
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| b3rnard0 | git-harry help odyssey4me on blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/tunable-openstack-configuration -- updates | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | I did update the blueprint though. :) | 16:10 |
| b3rnard0 | don't see mister harry on here. did you received aid from him on this task? | 16:11 |
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| odyssey4me | No update from me - git-harry did do some investigation, but I think got diverted. We'll have to carry it. | 16:12 |
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| b3rnard0 | k | 16:12 |
| b3rnard0 | #action git-harry help odyssey4me on blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/tunable-openstack-configuration | 16:12 |
| b3rnard0 | finally | 16:12 |
| git-harry | odyssey4me: has left the building. | 16:13 |
| b3rnard0 | andymccr to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1424808 in 10.1.3 -- updates? i'm assuming this is still in your queue | 16:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | git-harry: just in time to dodge information | 16:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1424808 in openstack-ansible juno "Add nova configuration options image_cache_manager_interval" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Andy McCrae (andrew-mccrae) | 16:13 |
| andymccr | b3rnard0: its been fixed/pr'd | 16:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | b3rnard0: there's an open review for that iirc | 16:13 |
| andymccr | i think its not merged yet because we had some issues yesterday but its pending merge | 16:13 |
| b3rnard0 | andymccr: awesome. at least we got one action item resolved! | 16:13 |
| andymccr | just doing my job b3rnard0. just doing my job | 16:14 |
| * b3rnard0 hands andymccr a beer | 16:14 | |
| odyssey4me | It merged into master within the last half hour I think. | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | It needs a back port now. | 16:14 |
| andymccr | juno backport already merged | 16:14 |
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| cloudnull | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159929/ | 16:15 |
| b3rnard0 | we don't have a lot on the agenda today so i'm going straight to the bug we were still triaging this Tuesday. any thoughts, cloudnull? | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | ^ merged just a few min ago . | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | sounds good. then to bps | 16:15 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Bugs | 16:16 |
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| b3rnard0 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1426655 | 16:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1426655 in openstack-ansible juno "neutron_agents_container GnuTLS recv error" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 16:16 |
| b3rnard0 | i think we didn't finish triaging this bug | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | looks like it was a transient issue | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | darn transients | 16:17 |
| BjoernT | right we dropped this bug pretty much | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | Transient or a host issue. | 16:17 |
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| cloudnull | the guy nexus indicated it was resolved on redeploy? | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | The reporter has pretty much indicated as much. | 16:17 |
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| cloudnull | so i'd say mark it as invalid and leave it as such . thoughts? | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | Agreed. | 16:18 |
| stevelle | +1 | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | done. | 16:19 |
| b3rnard0 | #chair cloudnull | 16:19 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b3rnard0 cloudnull | 16:19 |
| b3rnard0 | just in case i cut out as my internet has been spotty | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | if there are no other bugs that we want to talk about lets move on to blueprints. | 16:19 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Blueprints | 16:20 |
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| cloudnull | we have 4 open bps that are marked for discussion | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | so lets talk about those. | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | We could do with more blueprints. :) | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | palendae you around ? | 16:20 |
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| palendae | cloudnull: yep | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | hows https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/improved-network-generation | 16:21 |
| b3rnard0 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/improved-network-generation | 16:21 |
| palendae | Stalled for now as I work on gating stuff. | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | kk . can some of our cores review and comment on it. I'll set aside some time today to do the same. | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | Will do. | 16:22 |
| palendae | I think the blueprint itself is fine from my POV, but no implementation happening right now | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/apt-package-pinning | 16:23 |
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| stevelle | palendae: do you have an idea of how complete that role is for our needs today? 80%? | 16:23 |
| sdake_ | o/ | 16:23 |
| BjoernT | I actually wrote a script to setup the bridges, I don't see it as critical anymore (network-generation) | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me hows that coming a long ? | 16:23 |
| b3rnard0 | #action odyssey4me cloudnull to provide feedback/review on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/improved-network-generation | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | hey sdake_ | 16:23 |
| palendae | BjoernT: Cool. I'd like to do it still, but good to know | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | Waiting for input. The blueprint wash prayed after last week's discussion. | 16:23 |
| sdake_ | apologies for being late, off by 1 error :( | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | A standing question is whether this even belongs in the project. | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | no worries sdake_ , welcome :) | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | The mission of the project needs clarity. | 16:24 |
| Apsu | BjoernT: We've got probably 6 scripts/various plays/approaches by different folks for doing network config. I wrote an Ansible module I was trying to upstream called "interfaces" that would allow reconfiguration of the file, for instance | 16:24 |
| Apsu | I think palendae's goal was to pick something as a common point to build from | 16:25 |
| palendae | Apsu: Correct | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | Is it focused on deploying openstack, or a full environment which is production ready? | 16:25 |
| palendae | Apsu: We nuked the interfaces stuff that was in the repo because it was poorly documented and had a bunch of flaws | 16:25 |
| BjoernT | palendae: apsu: We are so "lazy" now, not even wanting to specify the interfaces . So I did automate it based on that each node has a fixed offset | 16:25 |
| BjoernT | to specify each interface in jason is even too much, we want to keep the configs the same across all deployments so 172.29.236.51 is infra01, 52 infra02 and so on | 16:26 |
| BjoernT | then it's easy to automate | 16:26 |
| BjoernT | we can talk about this offline | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | so BjoernT can you sync up with palendae on that | 16:26 |
| palendae | Yes please :) | 16:26 |
| BjoernT | yepp | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | I'm confused. Are we talking about the network configs blueprint now, or apt pinning? | 16:26 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: apt pinning, sorry | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | and now back to apt pinning :) | 16:27 |
| b3rnard0 | #action BjoernT to help palendae on apt pinning | 16:27 |
| stevelle | odyssey4me: there may be an "it depends" answer on whether this belongs or not. It would help gating and lets the project find a tempo that matches the larger OpenStack community, but different groups may want a different solution | 16:27 |
| BjoernT | b3rnard0: ok | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | I've come to a conclusion that a deployed can do very good job of solving this problem without pinning an instead using a frozen apt repo. Less moving parts. | 16:28 |
| palendae | b3rnard0: Actually BjoernT will be working with me on networks, we hijacked the discussion | 16:28 |
| b3rnard0 | lol k | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | networks, pinnings, its all the same | 16:28 |
| BjoernT | I do apt pinning too, lol | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | *deployer | 16:28 |
| b3rnard0 | #action BjoernT to help palendae on networks | 16:28 |
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| palendae | odyssey4me: So are you thinking the deployers are taking responsibilities for freezing the repos? | 16:29 |
| palendae | Or providing a repo freezer in place of the pinning? | 16:29 |
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| git-harry | Do we have anything that defines the scope of this project? | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | Yeah. It makes more sense than burdening the project with keeping track of packages to pin. | 16:29 |
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| sdake_ | palendae in our models, we belive that to be the case | 16:29 |
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| sdake_ | our = kolla project models | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | For RPC specifically I have a solution and am soliciting feedback, but that's outside of this project's remit IMO. | 16:31 |
| palendae | sdake_: So deployers responsible for freezing in your model? | 16:31 |
| sdake_ | palendae ya the service providers or their vendors | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | git-harry: not to my knowledge, and I think we need to define it | 16:32 |
| git-harry | odyssey4me: yup, it might short circuit some of these conversations | 16:32 |
| mattt | sdake_: my personal opinion is that is the correct approach | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | Perhaps it'd be useful to get some help to facilitate a discussion around it? | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | yes that'd be helpful. | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | Someone who has helped put together charters for openstack projects, and is also outside of rax. | 16:34 |
| palendae | ^ | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | Perhaps ttx can assist or recommend? | 16:35 |
| git-harry | ? | 16:35 |
| git-harry | Not sure that's what we need | 16:35 |
| sdake_ | openstack calls it a manifesto | 16:35 |
| sdake_ | but imo you do that after 6 months of open dev | 16:35 |
| git-harry | We just need to define the technical scope of the project | 16:35 |
| sdake_ | otherwise it shuts out contributors | 16:35 |
| BjoernT | I think we from support have a view on apt pinning, can we talk about it in a meeting? | 16:35 |
| palendae | I'd like to get alternative views on it, separate from RPC | 16:35 |
| palendae | RPC is a deployer, os-ansible-deployment/openstack-ansible is what they deploy | 16:36 |
| BjoernT | That's fine | 16:36 |
| palendae | But yeah BjoernT, we can have internal meetings | 16:36 |
| sdake_ | is rpc a repo? | 16:36 |
| palendae | sdake_: Rackspace Private Cloud | 16:36 |
| sdake_ | oh rackspace private cloud right | 16:36 |
| sdake_ | ya got it sorry duh ;) | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | BjoernT: if we could discuss that separately that'd be great - you have an email from me on the topic | 16:36 |
| BjoernT | ye sI do | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | so lets put together a an etherpad regarding project scope and solicit feedback on the ml regarding its contents. | 16:37 |
| d34dh0r53 | +1 | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | Good plan. :) | 16:38 |
| b3rnard0 | anyone in particular who will do that? | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | ill put together the draft. but it should be a living doc . | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | I think perhaps that should be done an agreed to before we go further with any blueprint feedback discussions. | 16:38 |
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| stevelle | I'm concerned that might unnecessarily block other work | 16:39 |
| BjoernT | yea I agree | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | It doesn't have to stop anything, but it is a crucial guide for deciding how to approach solving the problems. | 16:40 |
| stevelle | I agree, for the pinning blueprint, we need to answer the question of scope. I am not sure we do for networking or configuration | 16:40 |
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| odyssey4me | We can still put together ideas and work on them. | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | #action cloudnull to create osad project manifesto as public etherpad and solicit feedback from the ML | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | Tunable configs is clearly openstack specific, so yes. | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | i agree we can still work on BPs and discus them without having a specific guideline doc in place. | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | so lets talk about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/tunable-openstack-configuration | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/tunable-openstack-configuration | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | Network config is a grey area - but if it's implemented in a way that doesn't bind the deployer to using it, then it should be fine. | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me have you and git-harry though more about this ? | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | he was going to help on that right? or am i remembering incorrectly ? | 16:44 |
| git-harry | cloudnull: I've had a look at it | 16:44 |
| git-harry | I think we should set hash_behaviour = merge | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | why? | 16:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: yeah. different people are going to kick their hosts differently. | 16:45 |
| git-harry | so the config can be sorted in the vars and dicts don't get replaced | 16:45 |
| git-harry | then we can have simple templates that spit it out | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | but that can and will effect the entire stack. so setting that will likely have consequences across the board. | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | to quote ansible docs "We generally recommend not using this setting unless you think you have an absolute need for it, and playbooks in the official examples repos do not use this setting" | 16:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: as an open project, we really cant dictate what people do with their networking | 16:47 |
| git-harry | Yes, it may | 16:47 |
| git-harry | so we would need to test | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | do you think you have cycles to go and see if that makes the world explode? and can you put together an example of the hash merge for config? | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | It's either that or we have vars for our defaults and a specific dict for uncatered-for tuna lea. | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | *tunables | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | that'd be helpful if we can make that go without major impact. | 16:48 |
| git-harry | I have started doing that already | 16:49 |
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| git-harry | I'll try and finish it by next week. The broken gate was blocking me yesterday | 16:50 |
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| cloudnull | yes i think the broken gate was blocking all of OS yesterday :) | 16:50 |
| git-harry | aye | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | ok. so git-harry you are working on a different thread regarding the same functionality as it pertains to that BP? | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | so as to not duplicate efforts can you and odyssey4me sync up on that, if you've not already ? | 16:52 |
| git-harry | cloudnull: yes, I'm testing a different implementation | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | Yeah, can do.it might actually be useful to have two implementation options to compare. | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | i agree. | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | Not full ones, obviously. Just a single service. | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | so we have 8 min left. lets open up the discussion to anything. | 16:53 |
| sdake_ | may I ask a Q | 16:53 |
| sdake_ | regarding scope | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | shoot. | 16:53 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Open discussion | 16:53 |
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| sdake_ | I see ansible play books deploy | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | would the project be open to "maintaining" the deployment | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | in otherwords, validating the ha and making sure things stay operational | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | I guess the correct term for this would be orchestration, whereas os-ansible-deploy is workflow | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | I'm not sure I understand. | 16:55 |
| sdake_ | so have 3 controller nodes | 16:55 |
| sdake_ | nova dies on controler node | 16:55 |
| palendae | sdake_: Are you thinking something like monitoring? | 16:55 |
| sdake_ | want to validate that | 16:55 |
| sdake_ | ya all about HA | 16:55 |
| sdake_ | but I dont want to just monitor I want to take corrective action | 16:55 |
| sdake_ | is that in or out of scope? | 16:55 |
| palendae | Sure | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | i think adding in the functionality to operationally maintain the stack makes sense. | 16:55 |
| palendae | I think right now that's out of scope | 16:55 |
| palendae | In terms of automatically correcting | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | You mean add deeper functional testing? | 16:56 |
| palendae | But we also haven't formally laid down a scope | 16:56 |
| sdake_ | so if someone came along and wrote that code, it would be -2? :) | 16:56 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: I think this is around keeping production systems up | 16:56 |
| sdake_ | right keeping the production system in an operational state via monitroing and corrective ha action | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | sdake_ no, I would not automatically -2. but depending on the impact i may ask for a blueprint. | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | Ok, so more of adding stuff like monit to check and auto respond? | 16:57 |
| git-harry | I'd say that was out of scope of this project | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | ok process is fine, just curious if that is like "nah that is someone elses problem" :) | 16:57 |
| mattt | sdake_: yeah i'd think that's more in the deployer's realm | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | ya monit is an option | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | ok thanks, that was the only scope question I had - actually I have a slew more but we are out of time :) | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | I would say that adding an external Ansible role which does that in an example play or readme would be great. | 16:58 |
| cloudnull | +1 | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | But not add it in this code tree. | 16:58 |
| b3rnard0 | sdake_: if you have more agenda items to discuss, feel free to add them to the agenda meeting for next week | 16:58 |
| stevelle | sdake_: I'd like to see the other scope questions as they may help with one of the action items | 16:58 |
| mattt | yeah i'd love to see that work w/ os-ansible-deployment, but i'd also think it'd be an external component | 16:58 |
| Apsu | sdake_: Since most of the project participants are currently the same folks using this for our employer's product, it's definitely a challenge we're tackling. But where we draw the scope line and how we decide inclusion are in definite need of discussion and nailing down. | 16:59 |
| sdake_ | sure we can follow up in #openstack-ansible channel if you like | 16:59 |
| sdake_ | ^^ b3rnard0 | 16:59 |
| Apsu | Definitely do ask those questions in some form so we can get that input | 16:59 |
| cloudnull | yup we're out of time. | 16:59 |
| mattt | Apsu: yeah nothing at this point is a hard no, that's for sure | 16:59 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul check queue stuck due to reboot maintenance window at one of our cloud providers - no need to recheck changes at the moment, they won't move forward." | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 17:00:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-03-05-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-03-05-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-03-05-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
| b3rnard0 | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| cloudnull | thanks everyone ! | 17:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | good stuff | 17:00 |
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