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| pc_m | hi all | 15:00 |
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| pc_m | Anyone here for the VPN meeting? | 15:02 |
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| pc_m | #startmeeting vpnaas | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 24 15:06:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas' | 15:06 |
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| pc_m | Last check to see if anyone on for the meeting, otherwise I'll cancel today's meeting. | 15:06 |
| SridharRamaswamy | pc_m: hi | 15:07 |
| SridharRamaswamy | joining a bit late | 15:07 |
| pc_m | SridharRamaswamy: hi | 15:07 |
| SridharRamaswamy | I've a quick question regarding #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158487/ | 15:08 |
| SridharRamaswamy | should we discuss here ? | 15:08 |
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| pc_m | We could. There's not enough people for a VPNaaS meeting. | 15:08 |
| SridharRamaswamy | okay then.. | 15:09 |
| pc_m | Let's try to get ahold of Assaf... | 15:09 |
| SridharRamaswamy | sure | 15:09 |
| pc_m | He's not on IRC. | 15:09 |
| pc_m | Let me close out the meeting... | 15:09 |
| pc_m | #endmeeting | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:09 | |
| SridharRamaswamy | okay | 15:09 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 24 15:09:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-02-24-15.06.html | 15:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-02-24-15.06.txt | 15:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-02-24-15.06.log.html | 15:09 |
| pc_m | SridharRamaswamy: What's the question? | 15:10 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | pc_m: Is this change a planned one as part of the l3-agent refactoring ? | 15:11 |
| SridharRamaswamy | my understanding was router-object will be use to pass around instead of l3 agent | 15:11 |
| pc_m | SridharRamaswamy: No. Assaf is having issues with some functional test, and has proposed this on his own. | 15:11 |
| SridharRamaswamy | pc_m: I see | 15:11 |
| SridharRamaswamy | in fact we had a painful mess due to this singleton during py27 tests | 15:12 |
| pc_m | PLease respond to the review, especially if it impacts your driver (I see the CI failed). | 15:12 |
| SridharRamaswamy | yeah, okay lets take the discussion back to the review | 15:13 |
| pc_m | I'm not strongly for a singleton, but I think during original review there were several people wanting it a singleton. | 15:13 |
| SridharRamaswamy | I'm coming to hate singleton as well, particularly in python :) | 15:14 |
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| pc_m | Do you know if his change is breaking your CI? | 15:14 |
| SridharRamaswamy | we ended doing unnatural things, like that _instance = None, to just get the functional tests to work without any side effects | 15:14 |
| matrohon | hi all, sorry fo the delay :) | 15:15 |
| SridharRamaswamy | I'm checking my CI, the logs are unavailable at this time.. I'm trying to track it down | 15:15 |
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| pc_m | Hi matrohon. I canceled the meeting. Just talking with SridharRamaswamy about a commit affecting VPN. | 15:15 |
| matrohon | pc_m : ok | 15:16 |
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| pc_m | SridharRamaswamy: matrohon: I'll send an email to the mailing list asking if we want to have the VPN meetings A) on demand B) at a different time/date, or C) use Neutron meetings as needed. | 15:17 |
| pc_m | Hasn't been much interest in past several weeks | 15:17 |
| matrohon | pc_m : ok | 15:17 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | pc_m: I'd vote for (A) | 15:17 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | and (B) :) | 15:17 |
| pc_m | :) | 15:18 |
| matrohon | pc_m : FYI i've created a new stackforge project for bgpvpn : https://launchpad.net/bgpvpn | 15:18 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Please post it on our meeting page, so people know about it. | 15:19 |
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| pc_m | as an announcement, | 15:19 |
| matrohon | pc_m : ok | 15:19 |
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| pc_m | I'll send the email out. SridharRamaswamy please comment on the 158487 review, especially if it impacts your driver. | 15:20 |
| SridharRamaswamy | pc_m: sure, will do | 15:20 |
| pc_m | I'm going to head back over to neutron IRC... | 15:21 |
| SridharRamaswamy | pc_m: ttyl | 15:21 |
| pc_m | ttyl guys! | 15:21 |
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| santosh_ns | Hi All | 15:59 |
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| xgerman | Hi | 16:01 |
| xgerman | dougwig? | 16:01 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 16:01 |
| Aish | o/ | 16:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 16:01 |
| ptoohill | im in an area with spotty net, well see how this goes :/ | 16:01 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 24 16:01:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 16:01 |
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| dougwig | #topic roll call | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 16:02 |
| dougwig | #chair xgerman | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dougwig xgerman | 16:02 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 16:02 |
| dougwig | in case i space out again | 16:02 |
| dougwig | :) | 16:02 |
| dougwig | hiya | 16:02 |
| xgerman | dougwig thanks | 16:02 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 16:02 |
| kobis | hi | 16:02 |
| dougwig | i know that rax folks are at a big internal meeting today. | 16:02 |
| dougwig | blogan is even presenting. | 16:02 |
| ptoohill | yea, in 30 mins | 16:03 |
| dougwig | heckle him for me, please. | 16:03 |
| xgerman | wow! | 16:03 |
| ptoohill | have been and will continue in your honor | 16:03 |
| dougwig | start chanting. towgan! towgan! towgan! | 16:03 |
| ptoohill | :P lol | 16:03 |
| xgerman | lol | 16:03 |
| kobis | :) | 16:03 |
| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:03 | |
| dougwig | kilo-3 submission freeze is 3/5, which is coming up fast. | 16:03 |
| johnsom | I thought it, you said it.... | 16:03 |
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| xgerman | yep, scary fast | 16:04 |
| dougwig | we have several vendor drivers submitted; they will need 3rd party CI's by then. | 16:04 |
| dougwig | holler at me if you need any help with those. | 16:04 |
| dougwig | any other announcements today? | 16:05 |
| ptoohill | Big review that needs eyes, follow the chain back: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158189/ | 16:05 |
| ptoohill | The agent driver is 'done' if we consider that an announcment | 16:05 |
| dougwig | save that for one topic for me. :) | 16:05 |
| mwang2_ | Lbaas API v2 doc has been merged :) | 16:05 |
| xgerman | Aish? Your news? | 16:06 |
| dougwig | ok, so we're not waiting. :) | 16:06 |
| mwang2_ | min | 16:06 |
| ptoohill | wooten | 16:06 |
| Aish | Mine? CLI document? | 16:06 |
| xgerman | yep | 16:06 |
| dougwig | #topic v2 update | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "v2 update (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:06 | |
| dougwig | I was going to ask for the status of docs and tests. | 16:06 |
| johnsom | There is a fix in for the "name" required on load balancer issue in cli: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158007/ | 16:06 |
| dougwig | docs has already started. :) | 16:06 |
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| dougwig | the agent driver is ready for review, see ptoohill's chain above | 16:07 |
| dougwig | any more reviews to highlight? | 16:07 |
| ajmiller | The neutron-lbaas devstack external plugin patch is ready for final review, has 1 +2 from dougwig | 16:07 |
| ajmiller | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155540/ | 16:07 |
| ajmiller | I've been using it heavily the last few days, with good results. | 16:07 |
| dougwig | an overview of all lbaas patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/(openstack/neutron-+AND+lbaas)+status:open,n,z | 16:07 |
| ptoohill | pasting again just in case: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158189/ | 16:08 |
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| dougwig | note the tis and l7 extensions are -1 in jenkins. evgenyf, can you look at those? | 16:08 |
| dougwig | anyone from the tests group here today? | 16:09 |
| evgenyf | looking | 16:09 |
| Aish | lbaas v2 CLI document has been merged. | 16:09 |
| dougwig | status last week was api tests by the end of last week. did we make that? have we started any functional tests? | 16:09 |
| dougwig | Aish: nice. | 16:09 |
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| ptoohill | I didnt see them at desk earlier on our side, not sure if they are here at presentation or not. i may be the only from team in this meeting today | 16:09 |
| Aish | Thanks. :) @dougwig | 16:09 |
| dougwig | ptoohill: ok, thanks. | 16:09 |
| xgerman | ok, I have asked Madhu from our site to look into the reviews | 16:10 |
| ptoohill | I know they ran into a bump and our primary tester got pulled off for a v1 issue yesterday afternoon | 16:10 |
| dougwig | we're in pretty good shape, with extension + plugin + cli + devstack + docs, reviews out for the agent driver + vendor drivers + tls/l7. tests are the biggest hole, along with closing some of those reviews. | 16:10 |
| ptoohill | they were saying they were close to being done from what i understood | 16:10 |
| xgerman | great | 16:11 |
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| dougwig | ptoohill: ask them to ping me when they're done, and we can talk about rolling a jenkins job for v2. | 16:11 |
| ptoohill | kk, ill make sure to let them know | 16:11 |
| xgerman | our QA should come off their internal project soon, too, and I already asked them to look at this... | 16:11 |
| dougwig | xgerman: which part? jenkins or functional or other? | 16:11 |
| dougwig | or just breaking v2 in general? | 16:12 |
| xgerman | whatever is needed... | 16:12 |
| xgerman | otherwise it's breaking ;-) | 16:12 |
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| dougwig | awesome. | 16:13 |
| dougwig | let's talk when they're ready. | 16:13 |
| xgerman | k | 16:13 |
| dougwig | anyone have any other blocking issues or urgent reviews for v2? | 16:13 |
| sballe__ | mornin | 16:13 |
| dougwig | moving on | 16:13 |
| dougwig | #topic Status and Object manipulation (ptoohill) | 16:13 |
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| dougwig | ptoohill: the floor is yours | 16:13 |
| ptoohill | So, assuming i dont get distracted and off topic the 'problem' or question i want to pose is about statuses and behaviour of the entire tree | 16:14 |
| dougwig | or put another way, if a member is in error, but the parent is still operational, is it in error or active state, right? | 16:15 |
| ptoohill | my question is in simple terms: If a member does not provision (for example) do we want to set the load balancer to a degraded state as well? | 16:15 |
| ptoohill | yea | 16:15 |
| ptoohill | If the lb is degraded or set to 'error' or whatever state that makes the load balancer immutable for the time being the user cannot update or remove the problem and becomes an operations problem | 16:16 |
| dougwig | blogan and i were chatting last night, and my suggestion was: leave the object status alone (only set member), but calculate the /status tree dynamically, and if any of its children are in error state, flow a "degraded" state uphill on the fly. it gets kind of insane if you try to ripple it in the db, and that goes against us converting those db objects to | 16:16 |
| dougwig | logical entities in the future. | 16:16 |
| johnsom | I think that if any of the members are not ACTIVE and not disabled the parent should be degraded | 16:17 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:17 |
| sballe__ | +1 | 16:17 |
| ptoohill | then, is degraded an immutable state? | 16:17 |
| ptoohill | can the user not remove the failed member and try again? | 16:17 |
| johnsom | I think dougwig and I are saying the same thing for clarity | 16:18 |
| ptoohill | i just think of the pain that comes if the user cant do simple operations to potentially clean up a failure on our side | 16:18 |
| johnsom | I like the idea that a user can solve their own problems | 16:18 |
| dougwig | i think a user should be able to remove and re-add a member. | 16:19 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:19 |
| dougwig | i'm not sure anything we said precludes that. | 16:19 |
| johnsom | +1 | 16:19 |
| ptoohill | ok, if we allow that then im really fine with any status tree updates that happen | 16:19 |
| xgerman | Q is how much we like dynamically chnaging the tree for output | 16:19 |
| ptoohill | it didnt, i was just unclear if degraded loadbalancer or an errored member would be immutable (which it currectly is) | 16:19 |
| xgerman | should we kick up that can to the UI | 16:19 |
| xgerman | ? | 16:20 |
| ptoohill | right now, no operations can happen after a member fails in otherwords | 16:20 |
| dougwig | when i logged off last night, blogan was saying that he wanted to think about it, so i think he has some input here as well. he was tentatively in favor of the dynamic status plan, which is a change from today. | 16:20 |
| ptoohill | so this behaviour needs to change is why this topic came up | 16:20 |
| ptoohill | yep | 16:20 |
| ptoohill | fair enough, we can sideline this | 16:20 |
| dougwig | ok | 16:21 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:21 | |
| dougwig | go nuts. | 16:21 |
| johnsom | I think pending delete and pending update should be immutable, but I can't think of a good reason error should be | 16:21 |
| dougwig | vendors, any questions on drivers or CI's, now is a good time. | 16:21 |
| dougwig | johnsom: +1 | 16:21 |
| santosh_ns | I have following queries wrt NetScaler v2 driver and CI requirements: 1.Where can i find equivalent v2 api tests to include at CI setup? 2. I am planning to introduce local test script (for CI setup) with neutron lbaas commandline tests i.e Create,Update,Delete api tests for loadbalancer,Listener,Pool,Member,HealthMonitor in mentioned order. Please suggest? | 16:21 |
| ptoohill | fair enough johnsom | 16:21 |
| dougwig | santosh_ns: it'll be in this chain: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155431/ | 16:22 |
| dougwig | you may want to wait a bit for the chain to finish and a jenkins job to be added, to which you can just sub in your driver. | 16:22 |
| dougwig | in the meantime, adding the basic CI/devstack/lbaasv2 install would let you get a head start on the basic CI plumbing | 16:22 |
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| ajmiller | FYI, I have an updated post on using the new devstack plugins to install V2 | 16:24 |
| ajmiller | https://chapter60.wordpress.com/2015/02/20/installing-openstack-lbaas-version-2-on-kilo-using-devstack/ | 16:24 |
| ptoohill | awesome ajmiller! | 16:25 |
| dougwig | santosh_ns: ajmiller's post will also be relevant for you. | 16:25 |
| dougwig | anything else today, or can we blast out of here? | 16:25 |
| dougwig | alright, bye folks | 16:26 |
| ptoohill | looks like were good here | 16:26 |
| sballe__ | bye | 16:26 |
| ptoohill | pce \o | 16:26 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 24 16:26:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-02-24-16.01.html | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-02-24-16.01.txt | 16:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-02-24-16.01.log.html | 16:26 |
| Aish | \o | 16:26 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 16:27 |
| santosh_ns | Yea I followed https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/DeployWithDevstack | 16:28 |
| dougwig | santosh_ns: that can work too, but is less classy than al's version | 16:28 |
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