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nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 14:00:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
ativelkov | o/ | 14:00 |
abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
lakshmiS | o/ | 14:00 |
nikhil_k | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
zhiyan | o/ | 14:00 |
nikhil_k | Welcome all, good morning, afternoon, evening to all in resp. TZ! | 14:00 |
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rosmaita | zhiyan: hope you are feeling better! | 14:01 |
sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:01 |
nikhil_k | Let's get the party started | 14:01 |
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nikhil_k | #topic Abandoning stale PS from review | 14:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Abandoning stale PS from review (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:01 | |
nikhil_k | was that you jokke_ ? | 14:01 |
jokke_ | Yup | 14:01 |
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zhiyan | rosmaita: thanks! I'm better now. | 14:01 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: please take over | 14:02 |
jokke_ | I would like to adopt the principle some other projects like Nova is using | 14:02 |
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jokke_ | so if PS has been inactive for 3 weeks + we just abandon it to keep the review list clean and fresh | 14:02 |
jokke_ | I think we have at the moment year(s) old changes still on the list | 14:02 |
nikhil_k | should we get a vote here and then take to ML if necessary? | 14:03 |
mfedosin | hm, before I would say it's a bad idea, but now, when we have lots of active reviewers I'm okay with it | 14:03 |
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jokke_ | mfedosin: ok let me refrase a bit ... lets say there is change that has bunch of -1 and the author just has not acted on those, so effectively already abandoned the change | 14:04 |
sigmavirus24 | jokke_: right, I think that's something that needed to be clarified | 14:05 |
jokke_ | If the change has 5 +1 and +2 we're not gonna drop it just because last activity was 21 days | 14:05 |
ativelkov | so, not just inacative, but inactive with negative feedback or broken tests, right? | 14:05 |
jokke_ | but taking this on would help us to identify those changes that would be ready & good to go in | 14:05 |
pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:05 |
sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: I think negative review is enough | 14:05 |
sigmavirus24 | Passing tests don't mean very much if no one wants the change :) | 14:05 |
nikhil_k | ativelkov: yes, only with a -1 (though even from jenkins) | 14:06 |
jokke_ | ativelkov: yeah I think either one of those would be good enough trigger | 14:06 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: well formatted! | 14:06 |
nikhil_k | also, I think we can do this on Glance but not on some repos like glance-specs | 14:06 |
sigmavirus24 | jokke_: I'm wondering about changes with a bunch of +1s during which Jenkins was broken and no one rechecked them | 14:06 |
nikhil_k | (as some specs would mean carry over to next cycle and will sit for a more than 3 weeks in some cases) | 14:07 |
jokke_ | sigmavirus24: if author does not care enough to recheck the change in 3 weeks, I think it's good to drop ... specially when the owner can revive any abandone change later on if needed | 14:07 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: yes, I think -spec is special cupcake anyways | 14:08 |
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ativelkov | Yes, and this should not happen during freezes: if we are close to release, some changes may lack attention for some time | 14:08 |
jokke_ | sigmavirus24: or anyone else in that matter | 14:08 |
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TravT_ | 3 weeks seems slightly short. is that what all the other projects did? | 14:09 |
jokke_ | ativelkov: ++ I think this needs bit of game eye on holiday seasons, around freeze etc. | 14:09 |
nikhil_k | ativelkov: hmm, good point | 14:09 |
TravT_ | i was just thinking of holiday | 14:09 |
mfedosin | and why exactly 21 days or not 28 or 14? | 14:09 |
sigmavirus24 | Yeah I think an etherpad detailing the exact procedure should be the next step and have it sent to the ML? I think everyone here is in favor | 14:09 |
kragniz | o/ | 14:09 |
ativelkov | mfedosin: cause 21 is 3x7, and 3+10 is 10, which is cool | 14:09 |
jokke_ | I'm not proposing that we will do automated script or anything like that, but this would be just mandate for cores to clean up the list for those oldies no-one seems to care about | 14:09 |
sigmavirus24 | We're all just nitpicking the details and finer mechanics so that's better suited for the ML | 14:10 |
nikhil_k | heh, I think that is probably a rythm within openstack of 3 weeks | 14:10 |
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mfedosin | fast rhythm btw | 14:11 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: sigmavirus24 : ok, how about a email is sent to the ML and we announce a reminder in next weeks meeting for all those interested to respond accordingly | 14:11 |
mfedosin | okay, I don't mind just was a little bit curious | 14:11 |
nikhil_k | mfedosin: so, we've 6 weeks long intermediate milestones | 14:11 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: will try to get the etherpad/e-mail out there today or tomorrow latest | 14:11 |
nikhil_k | (like k-1, k2, etc.) | 14:12 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: Thanks! | 14:12 |
sigmavirus24 | #action jokke_ to put together an etherpad and send a message to the mailing list | 14:12 |
nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: thanks, was just about to :) | 14:12 |
zhiyan | jokke_: i think automated script is better... | 14:12 |
sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:12 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: consistency | 14:12 |
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pkoniszewski | Nova abandons patches that are >4 weeks old, maybe we should keep the same time | 14:13 |
TravT_ | btw is it 3 weeks since patch submitted or 3 weeks since first negative review? | 14:13 |
jokke_ | pkoniszewski: is it 4? | 14:13 |
jokke_ | TravT_: last activity | 14:13 |
pkoniszewski | it is 4, e.g., https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1246201/comments/22 | 14:13 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1246201 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Live migration fails when the instance has a config-drive" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Tony Breeds (o-tony) | 14:13 |
mfedosin | TravT_, from las activity I suppose | 14:13 |
ativelkov | TravT_: since the last owner's activity | 14:13 |
mfedosin | *last | 14:13 |
sigmavirus24 | Can we move on? | 14:14 |
jokke_ | pkoniszewski: ok, thanks for catching that, 4 weeks it would be then ;) | 14:14 |
nikhil_k | author's or committer's ? | 14:14 |
nikhil_k | so, let's drill down on the details in the etherpad | 14:14 |
jokke_ | yes | 14:14 |
jokke_ | move on please | 14:14 |
nikhil_k | #topic CLI Sorting Argument Guidelines | 14:14 |
*** openstack changes topic to "CLI Sorting Argument Guidelines (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:14 | |
nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145544/ | 14:14 |
mfedosin | they're approved and it's nice | 14:15 |
nikhil_k | mfedosin: not yet | 14:15 |
nikhil_k | fyi ^ , there is a api-wg spec that has been approved | 14:15 |
nikhil_k | that is - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145579/ | 14:15 |
nikhil_k | so, for everyone to be on the look out for this change. Seems like it'd not affect anyone directly | 14:16 |
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* ativelkov bookmarks to check if artifacts API complies with it | 14:16 | |
nikhil_k | but we will be having some changes on the g-api side that would involve minor version bump | 14:16 |
jokke_ | There is no +A but looks pretty stronly that this will be the merging iteration of that spec ;) | 14:16 |
mfedosin | I heard we need a spec in glance for this | 14:16 |
sigmavirus24 | At worst, the change that would affect people is allowing multiple sort-keys which is already in progress | 14:16 |
sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: I didn't get to it yesterday since I was trying to re-review the k-3 specs that are important | 14:17 |
nikhil_k | mfedosin: yes, to document all the related links and the changes that would be made to Glance and the client | 14:17 |
mfedosin | I can write it today | 14:17 |
sigmavirus24 | I'm also in meeting hell this morning but I can try to get to it this afternoon | 14:17 |
nikhil_k | as those are not evident in that spec | 14:17 |
sigmavirus24 | Thanks mfedosin | 14:17 |
mfedosin | sigmavirus24, welcome :) | 14:17 |
nikhil_k | ok, moving on. thanks for the input everyone | 14:18 |
nikhil_k | #topic Cross-Repo Dependencies in Zuul | 14:18 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Cross-Repo Dependencies in Zuul (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:18 | |
sigmavirus24 | #action mfedosin to write an sorting spec for changes in glance-api | 14:18 |
nikhil_k | http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2015-02/msg00785.html | 14:18 |
jokke_ | So just heads up for everyone who missed that e-mail in mailing list | 14:18 |
kragniz | this is so cool! | 14:18 |
ativelkov | so, we may now set dependencies between commit to python-*client and API commit? Cool | 14:19 |
jokke_ | there is cross repo dependency mechanism introduced with "Depends-On: <Gerrit change ID>" on commit message | 14:19 |
zhiyan | it's really great. | 14:19 |
nikhil_k | I believe this is documented in the openstack infra manuals | 14:19 |
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nikhil_k | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#cross-project-dependencies | 14:20 |
jokke_ | ativelkov: yes, we can make dependency chains to have client change depending on glance change depending on glance_store change | 14:20 |
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sigmavirus24 | I want to say we should all thank fungi but I know they didn't work on it alone | 14:20 |
mfedosin | wow, I really need that | 14:20 |
nikhil_k | So, I would strongly encourage all developers and reviewers to look into the manual | 14:20 |
jokke_ | ++ | 14:20 |
fungi | i definitely did not ;) | 14:20 |
TravT_ | \o/ | 14:20 |
nikhil_k | fungi: woot! | 14:20 |
zhiyan | fungi: :) | 14:21 |
fungi | jeblair did pretty much all of the implementation | 14:21 |
fungi | i merely reviewed most of it and nodded | 14:21 |
jokke_ | fungi: kudos for both of you ;) | 14:21 |
fungi | mmm, actually that documentation link is for the wrong thing i think | 14:21 |
fungi | cross-repo dependency is what we're calling the depends-on bits | 14:22 |
fungi | but i may need to re-read the manual now | 14:22 |
fungi | ahh, yep, we cleaned that up, so it's the right thing now | 14:22 |
TravT_ | so it says "another project" can the same thing be used within a project (sometime dependencies aren't all lined up - multiple dependencies) | 14:22 |
nikhil_k | huh, intersting | 14:22 |
jokke_ | TravT_: between any two repo | 14:23 |
sigmavirus24 | TravT_: isn't that the idea for dependent patches? | 14:23 |
sigmavirus24 | Why not just rebase your patch on the patch it depends on? | 14:23 |
nikhil_k | fungi: ok, as I think it says cross project so was hoping that is all openstack wide and not confined to a program | 14:23 |
fungi | right, within the same project just make them naturally dependent series within git | 14:23 |
sigmavirus24 | Also, this seem to be getting off topic | 14:23 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: as said any two repo | 14:23 |
fungi | cross-repo dependencies using the depends-on line are for when you need dependencies between changes (either because you don't want one merging before the other, or want them to be tested together in some integration test suite) | 14:24 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: I was just asking as he said earlier that it was wrong link | 14:24 |
TravT_ | patches aren't always necessarily sequential with multiple workstreams dependent on multiple patches | 14:24 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: k | 14:24 |
fungi | but specifically between different git repositories | 14:24 |
TravT_ | ok | 14:24 |
TravT_ | thx | 14:24 |
fungi | anyway, sorry to hijack | 14:24 |
jokke_ | TravT_: read the e-mail ... it's all expained there ;) | 14:24 |
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nikhil_k | fungi: thanks :) | 14:25 |
nikhil_k | (for the info) | 14:25 |
nikhil_k | #topic Liberty Summit planning | 14:25 |
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nikhil_k | jokke_: ? | 14:25 |
kragniz | we didn't get any lizards :( | 14:25 |
jokke_ | So first of all ... we have name \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 14:25 |
sigmavirus24 | Yeah but it isn't the name we needed, it's the name we deserved | 14:25 |
nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: lol, batman fan much? | 14:26 |
sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:26 |
jokke_ | second of all ... Should we kick off planning for the summit ... end of MAy will be sooner than anyone expects | 14:26 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: I think we can wait until the end of cycle before we do that | 14:27 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: any objections to make our well proven etherpad and start collecting stuff together to ease the planning and avoiding the last minute rush again? | 14:27 |
nikhil_k | Like for juno we had enough time after j3 | 14:27 |
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sigmavirus24 | Doesn't hurt to start the etherpad now | 14:27 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: yes, but this time I am hoping that the feature / psedo feature groups would update the etherpad proactively | 14:28 |
nikhil_k | I may send a reminder email every so often | 14:28 |
nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: I think we've 2 already would like to avoid more | 14:28 |
jokke_ | sigmavirus24: that's what I thought and I noticed Doug was giving a shout for oslo one earlier so thought to bring it up | 14:28 |
sigmavirus24 | fair enough :) | 14:28 |
nikhil_k | #info K3 etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-k3 | 14:28 |
nikhil_k | kragniz: do you have the whiteboard link handy? | 14:29 |
sigmavirus24 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-whiteboard | 14:29 |
sigmavirus24 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-whiteboard | 14:29 |
* sigmavirus24 steals kragniz's thunder | 14:29 | |
kragniz | sigmavirus24 beat me too it | 14:29 |
sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: it's just a wafer thin etherpad, certainly it's okay (Monty Python reference) | 14:29 |
nikhil_k | #info Whiteboard is not used for review priority, rather just for informal discussions | 14:29 |
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nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: heh | 14:30 |
nikhil_k | #topic glance_store Releases | 14:30 |
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nikhil_k | we are waiting on | 14:30 |
nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141665/ | 14:30 |
nikhil_k | and | 14:31 |
nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137416/ | 14:31 |
zhiyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137416/ just get +Aed | 14:31 |
sigmavirus24 | zhiyan: excellent. I was wondering when we'd ever get that approved =P | 14:31 |
nikhil_k | nice! | 14:31 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: please update the blueprint status accordingly | 14:32 |
zhiyan | however, i'm not sure if i can put https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136039/ on the list as the latest (to me) one | 14:32 |
nikhil_k | appreciate the effort there | 14:32 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: sure | 14:32 |
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nikhil_k | #info try to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136039/ before next Tuesday else it will be postponed to next glance_store release | 14:32 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: thanks for review/support | 14:33 |
nikhil_k | :) | 14:33 |
nikhil_k | #topic client release | 14:33 |
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kragniz | nikhil_k: so glance_store release is probably next tuesday? | 14:33 |
nikhil_k | https://launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+milestone/v0.16.0 | 14:33 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: so the plan is to release at 18th?\ | 14:33 |
nikhil_k | kragniz: hopefully, I deferrred it from this week to next to help reviewers relax a bit (right after k2) | 14:33 |
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jokke_ | nikhil_k: good call also ref stable capping | 14:34 |
nikhil_k | About the client: do we need to clean up the dependent bugs for the next release? | 14:35 |
kragniz | dependant as in currently targeted for 0.16.0? | 14:36 |
nikhil_k | Seems like no objections? | 14:36 |
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nikhil_k | #info Nikhil to clean up bugs related to the client for it's next release. Please contact if you need something to be released urgently. | 14:36 |
nikhil_k | Also, is anyone willing to volunteer to verify if we've no change that makes api backward incompatible | 14:36 |
kragniz | I can head up this one, since I think I was the last to complain about it | 14:37 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: could you rephrase that ... | 14:37 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: So, the concern that would brought up was.. | 14:37 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: sorry ... got you | 14:37 |
kragniz | (mostly with semver stuff) | 14:37 |
nikhil_k | we need to ensure that the client releases need to be semantically correct | 14:37 |
jokke_ | ah | 14:38 |
kragniz | we don't *need* to, but it would be nice | 14:38 |
nikhil_k | I'm trying to identify if there are enough who actually care about this (by that I mean are affect by this) | 14:38 |
sigmavirus24 | I care about this | 14:38 |
wayne_ | I posted this bug to the mailing list yesterday: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154229/ | 14:38 |
nikhil_k | and you're affected? | 14:38 |
jokke_ | kragniz, nikhil_k: well tbh it's easier to do before rather than after they have been released | 14:38 |
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nikhil_k | wayne_: ok, we should get to it in the open discussion | 14:39 |
kragniz | I also care about this | 14:39 |
kragniz | jokke_: what do you mean? | 14:39 |
nikhil_k | So, all those who care about this - | 14:39 |
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nikhil_k | are you all willing to ensure that the client release is tagged appropriately in the launchpad | 14:40 |
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nikhil_k | that would involve creating a release for minor version change and tagging bugs to it | 14:40 |
kragniz | totes | 14:40 |
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sigmavirus24 | yep | 14:40 |
jokke_ | kragniz: it's easier to fix some inconsistencies if we find them now rather than after they've been out for a one release already | 14:41 |
nikhil_k | and if there are api back incompatible changes, then the release version is updated accordinly | 14:41 |
jokke_ | consistency vs. backwards compatibility | 14:41 |
kragniz | nikhil_k: we can update release names/versions on launchpad? | 14:41 |
kragniz | I forget if you can change those | 14:41 |
kragniz | or create a new one and retarget | 14:42 |
nikhil_k | kragniz: it would be manual and tiresome process ( I believe) but not 100% on that | 14:42 |
sigmavirus24 | Launchpad has an API, but let us never speak of it | 14:42 |
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nikhil_k | ok, I will move on for now | 14:42 |
kragniz | sigmavirus24: I had a look at it once | 14:42 |
kragniz | ...once | 14:42 |
sigmavirus24 | kragniz: never again | 14:42 |
nikhil_k | Let's discuss this offline, with all those who have time for this | 14:42 |
kragniz | nikhil_k: sounds good | 14:42 |
nikhil_k | #topic k2 released. | 14:43 |
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nikhil_k | k2 released. | 14:43 |
nikhil_k | copy paste fail | 14:43 |
nikhil_k | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1412802 | 14:43 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1412802 in Glance juno "copy-from broken for large files and swift" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Alexander Tivelkov (ativelkov) | 14:43 |
nikhil_k | that bug just made in time and is an important one | 14:43 |
ativelkov | Thanks to all the reviewers | 14:44 |
nikhil_k | thanks to jokke_ who was available outside of this regular work hours for seeing this through | 14:44 |
nikhil_k | I hope that we will get a better velocity in k3 | 14:44 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: NP ... just wanted to avoid k1 all over again ;) | 14:45 |
nikhil_k | reviews waiting for k3 are at https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/kilo-3 | 14:45 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: true that! | 14:45 |
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nikhil_k | #topic code cleanup | 14:45 |
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nikhil_k | looking for volunteers to look into this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145223/ | 14:45 |
nikhil_k | seems like we've some stale code | 14:46 |
nikhil_k | (possibly create a spec and see it working) | 14:46 |
nikhil_k | that was it | 14:46 |
jokke_ | My guts are telling that we have loads of it | 14:46 |
zhiyan | i'd like to have a look | 14:46 |
nikhil_k | thanks zhiyan | 14:46 |
nikhil_k | #topic Review request for Reload configuration file on SIGHUP signal | 14:46 |
sigmavirus24 | == jokke_ | 14:46 |
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zhiyan | due to i done before refacotrings | 14:46 |
nikhil_k | abhishekk: ? | 14:46 |
abhishekk | nikhil_k: hi | 14:47 |
abhishekk | just saw its marked in k3 | 14:47 |
nikhil_k | ah ok, any significant change? | 14:47 |
abhishekk | no, I want some early feedback | 14:47 |
* sigmavirus24 left feedback yesterday | 14:47 | |
abhishekk | and approval for spec | 14:47 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: actually i trend to believe we could to remove file queue and 'cleanup' logic | 14:47 |
nikhil_k | ah ok, yes. It's marked for early k3 | 14:47 |
zhiyan | due to from juno we start to use db queue fully | 14:48 |
nikhil_k | #topic Open discussion | 14:48 |
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zhiyan | i will check the spec and left things for discussion.. | 14:48 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: sure, can we get an informal proposal out , something that can be done in k3? | 14:48 |
nikhil_k | wayne_: glad that you brought it up | 14:49 |
ativelkov | What about backports of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1412802 to J/I? | 14:49 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1412802 in Glance juno "copy-from broken for large files and swift" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Alexander Tivelkov (ativelkov) | 14:49 |
nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154229/ | 14:49 |
zhiyan | sure thing, i'd like to...it's on my list, thanks for propose it up for a formal spec! | 14:49 |
wayne_ | Regarding bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154229/, are there any objections to me doing this? | 14:49 |
nikhil_k | wayne_: did you get a response back on/from the ML yet? | 14:49 |
kragniz | ativelkov: I know stuart is trying to come up with a smaller fix | 14:50 |
jokke_ | ativelkov: you have any update on those backports? | 14:50 |
wayne_ | no response yet. | 14:50 |
nikhil_k | ativelkov: yes, please try to review a related patch in glance_store | 14:50 |
nikhil_k | wayne_: ok, let's give it another couple days. We can sync up on #openstack-glance on Mon | 14:51 |
ativelkov | kragniz: jokke_: nikhil_k: that's what I wanted to ask - this is a patch in glance_store | 14:51 |
nikhil_k | ativelkov: but not for icehouse | 14:51 |
wayne_ | ok | 14:51 |
ativelkov | it means it will be available in the next glance_store release | 14:51 |
sigmavirus24 | wayne_: do I understand correctly that that was done in k-{1,2} ? | 14:51 |
ativelkov | nikhil_k: yes, it is not compatible with I, and I don't know if we may use newer glance_store with J - is it backwards compatible? | 14:52 |
nikhil_k | k1 | 14:52 |
nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: ^ | 14:52 |
nikhil_k | ah | 14:52 |
nikhil_k | ativelkov: let's mark the glance_store release blocked by that | 14:52 |
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sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: so, perhaps I'm missing something, but aren't those alpha/beta-ish releases? Backwards incompatible changes between them is to be expected | 14:52 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: np | 14:52 |
sigmavirus24 | If I'm not misunderstanding, I'll reply to the ML with my thoughts on it so I can stir the pot for Wayne | 14:53 |
wayne_ | sigmavirus24: yes K1 | 14:53 |
nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: right, so we got blessings from ttx | 14:53 |
nikhil_k | Just trying to confirm if no one else if affected by this | 14:53 |
jokke_ | glance_store is not currently capped on Juno\ | 14:53 |
sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: yeah, I'll respond on the ML then | 14:53 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: pkoniszewski do you think we can do it in k3 on time? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147264 can you share some status info with me? | 14:53 |
wayne_ | sigmavirus: thanks | 14:54 |
nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: cool, we are not expecting anyone besides horizon to be using it for now | 14:54 |
nikhil_k | but you never know | 14:54 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: that may change though, right? | 14:55 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: ofc it may ... I was just confirming that it's not ... so if we are planning to release glasnce_store that breaks Juno, we need to do something about that fact | 14:56 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: I think we need that in k3 | 14:56 |
pkoniszewski | zhiyan: I'm sure we can, change is really small - it exposes new flag over API so it is backward compatible | 14:56 |
zhiyan | ok..will check it asap | 14:57 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: I think we need to get some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148213/ along with the spec | 14:57 |
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nikhil_k | to avoid the metadef tags like error again | 14:57 |
sigmavirus24 | Yeah we might want to cap stable/juno's g-r to be safe until we can test it so -infra doesn't get really mad at us | 14:57 |
sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:57 |
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jokke_ | sigmavirus24: infram is small problem on that :P | 14:58 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: indeed, that's what i worried about..unlike the case in j-3 | 14:58 |
nikhil_k | :) | 14:58 |
sigmavirus24 | jokke_: right, but they've been dealing with problems like this repeatedly lately and I'm sure their patience is wearing thin. I don't want to add any more grey hairs to their heads | 14:58 |
sigmavirus24 | They're all good people and reducing their stress is something we can help with =) | 14:59 |
jokke_ | sigmavirus24: tru dat | 14:59 |
ativelkov | sigmavirus24: you suggest to cap it to the currently released version? | 14:59 |
jokke_ | sigmavirus24: there was quite a heated discussion at X-Project meeting yesterday | 14:59 |
sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: until we can show that it won't break stable/juno | 14:59 |
jokke_ | and there has been quite heated discussions on the mailing list | 14:59 |
kragniz | we're out of time | 15:00 |
kragniz | last thing - we should now have pretty glance logs in devstack! | 15:00 |
nikhil_k | yep | 15:00 |
sigmavirus24 | I think a pre-emptive cap will be good until we can test it out. There's no reason to break the gate for anyone integrating with glance | 15:00 |
kragniz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155024/ | 15:00 |
jokke_ | yup ... thnx! | 15:00 |
nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
sigmavirus24 | Thanks everyone | 15:00 |
kragniz | thanks | 15:00 |
abhishekk | thank you | 15:00 |
ativelkov | thanks! | 15:00 |
nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 12 15:00:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-02-12-14.00.html | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-02-12-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-02-12-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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zhiyan | thanks | 15:01 |
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b3rnard0 | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 16:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b3rnard0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
cloudnull | hello ! | 16:00 |
odyssey4me | o/ | 16:00 |
b3rnard0 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:00 |
mancdaz | hi | 16:00 |
BjoernT | Hi | 16:00 |
b3rnard0 | #topic RollCall | 16:00 |
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cloudnull | present | 16:00 |
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Sam-I-Am | hi | 16:00 |
b3rnard0 | hello | 16:00 |
palendae | Present | 16:01 |
serverascode | here | 16:01 |
rackertom | Hello | 16:01 |
mancdaz | present | 16:01 |
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b3rnard0 | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:02 |
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cloudnull | ok, lets get started. | 16:02 |
cloudnull | first up hughsaunders to start reading inventory-manage.py | 16:03 |
mancdaz | he's not present | 16:03 |
odyssey4me | I think that was a bit of a laugh anyway. He did say that it needn't carry. | 16:04 |
cloudnull | so ill assume not. :) | 16:04 |
cloudnull | b3rnard0 use link shortener at next meeting | 16:04 |
cloudnull | ^ .doit() | 16:04 |
b3rnard0 | #link http://tinyurl.com/pzhdxev | 16:04 |
cloudnull | next: "d34dh0r53 : to help with review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152753/" | 16:04 |
d34dh0r53 | in progress | 16:04 |
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cloudnull | on that review, has anyone had time to review it? besides odyssey4me and d34dh0r53 | 16:05 |
d34dh0r53 | nothing major so far other than the multiple physical drive failure in the aio that we discovered | 16:05 |
odyssey4me | andymccr has been doing some work with it | 16:05 |
andymccr | i got it working at least, after a few issues which i think are fixed now? | 16:06 |
cloudnull | andymccr pointed out an issue with the dynamic inventory this morning, so ill have that pushed up this morning. | 16:06 |
cloudnull | i have to do a rebase though before i can do it | 16:06 |
andymccr | since its all encompassing i think we need to decide how we're gonna do this | 16:06 |
cloudnull | i think thats fair . | 16:07 |
andymccr | either we need to just get this through (after a bit of testing) or we need to try split it up. but we should probably pick cos as it stands people are going to be spinning wheels with no real result | 16:07 |
odyssey4me | related topic, I'm working on doing the deraxification in https://review.openstack.org/155342 - perhaps you should rebase on top of that to make your monster patch less monster? | 16:07 |
cloudnull | i was going to bring that up here too. | 16:07 |
b3rnard0 | #info related topic, I'm working on doing the deraxification in https://review.openstack.org/155342 - perhaps you should rebase on top of that to make your monster patch less monster? | 16:07 |
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odyssey4me | note - it's not fully tested yet, so don't bother just yet... I'm trying out installs now | 16:08 |
cloudnull | so the de-raxing is just as large as the "moster patch"-tm | 16:08 |
odyssey4me | yep, but it's focused on doing one thing only - so that your patch can focus on doing the other thing | 16:08 |
hughsaunders | not really | 16:08 |
cloudnull | do we really think that piecing out into multiple patches is better ? | 16:08 |
git-harry | yes | 16:09 |
cloudnull | how? | 16:09 |
hughsaunders | odyssey4me's patch is mostly renames and removes, so its easier to see whats going on | 16:09 |
odyssey4me | this patch should focus on de-raxing and putting in a migration plan - your patch can focus on converting to ansible roles | 16:09 |
cloudnull | this is true. | 16:09 |
andymccr | i would even say stuff like moving out to use multiple user_secrets/user_variables etc files should be a separate patch in itself | 16:10 |
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git-harry | ^agree | 16:10 |
odyssey4me | +1 andymccr | 16:10 |
cloudnull | but it also leaves master broken until its fixed. which is done in the original review | 16:10 |
mancdaz | it also makes changelogs easier to generate | 16:10 |
hughsaunders | +284, -49915 vs +30089, -77051 | 16:10 |
andymccr | i think stealth committing several things isn't ideal. but we need to commit to one way or the other in this instance - or we end up with people doing different things where only 1 will be used and its a waste essentially. | 16:10 |
odyssey4me | when the de-rax patch is no longer wip it'll be a working install | 16:10 |
b3rnard0 | #info andymccr: i would even say stuff like moving out to use multiple user_secrets/user_variables etc files should be a separate patch in itself | 16:10 |
cloudnull | in addition the already available patch passes our gating and tempest tests which we dont have in our current releases. | 16:11 |
cloudnull | so its better tested than what we have presently | 16:11 |
andymccr | im concerned about upgrading existing installs | 16:11 |
andymccr | and bug regression | 16:11 |
odyssey4me | yeah, but the patch may have regressions which are very hard to spot right now | 16:11 |
git-harry | We've not been adding tests when things are fixed | 16:12 |
odyssey4me | besides, I think everyone needs more time because the patch entirely changes the way the install works | 16:12 |
cloudnull | git-harry we presently have no tempest tests running | 16:12 |
odyssey4me | it'd be easier to review if it was broken up a bit more - and the patch didn't also include extra features along the way ;) | 16:12 |
Sam-I-Am | i sense docs changes :) | 16:12 |
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palendae | Sam-I-Am: There will be whenever this work merges, no matter what patch it comes from | 16:13 |
odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am high level of doc impact for both | 16:13 |
git-harry | cloudnull: I thought we had some | 16:13 |
Sam-I-Am | and upgrades might become more interesting | 16:13 |
cloudnull | git-harry no, we have qe | 16:13 |
cloudnull | additionally tempest in its present state will not run , it cant ssh to a built instance. | 16:13 |
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cloudnull | the test fail no matter what . | 16:13 |
git-harry | testing is not just tempest | 16:14 |
cloudnull | agreed | 16:14 |
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mancdaz | regardless of the state of this particular patch, isn't it more about the principle of massive patches versus smaller iterative patches | 16:14 |
cloudnull | so i think that its easier to understand the patches when we split it out. but i also think we're just prolonging the inevitable. | 16:15 |
mancdaz | cloudnull the first part of what you said is important though | 16:15 |
odyssey4me | sure, it may all end up at exactly what you've produced in the end - but I think more people need time to work through it properly | 16:15 |
mancdaz | it's easier for everyone to understand the changes if they are iterative over a longer time | 16:15 |
odyssey4me | if it's broken up into smaller patches then it's easier to consume, test and approve | 16:16 |
cloudnull | we need to be thinking about how we get to "kilo" and not maintaining our raxisims in this community project. | 16:17 |
BjoernT | I don't think anyone can review such large patches. We should adopt the same rule a linux kernel dev, no patch > 300k or so. I believe that was the rule, or something similar. | 16:17 |
d34dh0r53 | I agree that small patches are easier to grok, but breaking the mega-patch into an iterative process will require the addition of a lot of constantly changing glue code which IMHO is likely to break and cause problems. | 16:17 |
cloudnull | ^ that | 16:18 |
andymccr | imo we're trying to achieve like 5 things here. e.g. renaming. galaxy roles, split out user_vars/secrets etc,add some new conf options | 16:18 |
andymccr | this doens't mean we won't still have some massive patches | 16:19 |
andymccr | we will, but i think there are some pretty clear divisions that aren't going to require glue code | 16:19 |
hughsaunders | dynamic inventory changes, package building changes | 16:19 |
BjoernT | Right but we might consider that in the future for new patches | 16:19 |
rackertom | I've only looked at a small portion of the patch because of its size. But, I'd ask if the cost of teasing out the relationships between several patch chunks and any possible breakage in the CI processes is worth the effort of actually breaking it out. | 16:20 |
odyssey4me | if the de-rax can happen first I really do feel like it would make the patch less intimidating | 16:20 |
cloudnull | andymccr i disagree in-order to iteratively remove our preset bits to be more community focused we're going to have to create a tun of glue | 16:21 |
odyssey4me | at this stage I'm not informed enough to determine whether the conversion to galaxy roles would require much glue (if any) | 16:21 |
cloudnull | its a rip and replace. | 16:22 |
cloudnull | to keep what we have we're going to have to create a lot of glue. | 16:22 |
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Sam-I-Am | as long as the glue smells good | 16:22 |
d34dh0r53 | lol | 16:22 |
andymccr | cloudnull: can you give an example of the glue? | 16:22 |
cloudnull | sure. | 16:22 |
andymccr | my thinking is if i said to you we're not doing galaxy roles, just remove the raxisms, its something that could be done without glue surely. | 16:23 |
cloudnull | we presently dont use any "defaults" in any of roles. instead we overload group vars. in order to make the new and old work together we're going to have to create defaults that set to the old variables. | 16:23 |
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odyssey4me | yeah, the only 'glue' would be the migration process for the inventory and variables | 16:23 |
cloudnull | using vars_files | 16:24 |
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cloudnull | because of the way we do vars, that will effect everything | 16:24 |
andymccr | cloudnull: how does that impact the name changing/removal of rax stuff? | 16:24 |
cloudnull | rpc_* rackspace_* | 16:24 |
cloudnull | are vars that we use throughout | 16:24 |
cloudnull | additionally we created structure that shouldnt exist | 16:25 |
cloudnull | furthermore our currect gate checks look at roles for linting which will break on the new roles | 16:25 |
andymccr | but we shouldn't change roles - we should just change the naming on vars etc | 16:26 |
cloudnull | because they use a defauls and meta main.yml | 16:26 |
andymccr | so that rax is gone. | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | sure, but that'll be handled by the de-rax patch | 16:26 |
andymccr | thats kind of my point in that we have 1 task "remove the RAX references" not "remove the RAX references and adjust the roles to do some other structuring at the same time because it seems more efficient" | 16:26 |
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cloudnull | so with our current gating and setup we can not have the two live together . | 16:26 |
hughsaunders | cloudnull: why would the new roles not pass the lint check? | 16:27 |
cloudnull | the lint check should only check the plays. | 16:28 |
cloudnull | the plays pull in the role.s | 16:28 |
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cloudnull | if you do a syntax check on a role it will fail because the defaults/main.yml is not a dict | 16:28 |
cloudnull | same with meta/main.yml | 16:29 |
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hughsaunders | fair, seems like odyssey4me's gate-script-split patch should help with that | 16:29 |
palendae | So the syntax check requires the roles to be galaxy-compliant? | 16:29 |
odyssey4me | ok - side topic of importance... before we can do anything we need everyone to test and be happy with https://review.openstack.org/152965 (gate script changes)... once that's merged then I can change openstack-infra's jobs... then we only need to change the scripts if we want to verify builds, etc | 16:29 |
palendae | hughsaunders: that one is getting big too | 16:29 |
hughsaunders | also fair | 16:30 |
odyssey4me | palendae it is done, from my standpoint - I did find a bug in it just before the meeting (specifically with regards to lint testing) | 16:30 |
odyssey4me | hughsaunders just needs to verify that it suits the tempest and multi-node needs | 16:31 |
cloudnull | palendae no it doesn't require it. but in our current stack the roles dont follow ansible best practices which at this point allows the syntax check to pass , because there are no default variable.s | 16:31 |
palendae | Ah | 16:31 |
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odyssey4me | I think the basic request for now is simply to allow the de-rax and conversion-to-galaxy-roles to be seperated | 16:32 |
b3rnard0 | #info odyssey4me: ok - side topic of importance... before we can do anything we need everyone to test and be happy with https://review.openstack.org/152965 (gate script changes)... once that's merged then I can change openstack-infra's jobs... then we only need to change the scripts if we want to verify builds, etc | 16:32 |
andymccr | odyssey4me: its more than that. because there are still 4 other things that happen in the mega-patch | 16:32 |
andymccr | theres not much point splitting out 1 thing | 16:32 |
andymccr | and not the others, because its more a question of approach | 16:32 |
andymccr | the mega-patch itself could work fine, and from what ive seen in testing - it does | 16:33 |
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cloudnull | ok, so lets break it up. thats the overwhelming consensus. | 16:33 |
b3rnard0 | #agreed cloudnull: ok, so lets break it up. thats the overwhelming consensus. | 16:34 |
odyssey4me | I was kind-of thinking that perhaps we break the de-rax out. Get that done. Then we're able to look at the rest of the patch to see what's there. Next week perhaps then we identify what we feel should be added as a subsequent patch (they're new features) | 16:34 |
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odyssey4me | it'll also give us all the chance to focus a little more on the patch itself as much of the gating work will be tapering off. | 16:35 |
cloudnull | ok. but we need to get this done before "kilo-3". we'll have failed if we let it go farther than that | 16:36 |
cloudnull | kilo-3 is march. | 16:37 |
b3rnard0 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 16:37 |
odyssey4me | mar 19 - a month from now | 16:37 |
odyssey4me | assuming that we can put time in the next sprint into this, then I would expect that we should be able to meet that deadline quite easily | 16:37 |
cloudnull | yes, seems like a long time but at our current rate of review / change its not that much time. | 16:37 |
hughsaunders | we can all work on it in SAT (if not done by then) | 16:38 |
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cloudnull | hughsaunders: we should have it done before. | 16:38 |
cloudnull | we should be working on solving kilo issues no attempting to genericize. | 16:39 |
palendae | cloudnull: Hopefully the reviews will go faster if it's smaller patches. That's what people seem to be saying, anyway | 16:39 |
cloudnull | kk | 16:39 |
cloudnull | moving on | 16:39 |
b3rnard0 | #topic Gating | 16:39 |
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cloudnull | odyssey4me: patch is looking good . | 16:40 |
cloudnull | hughsaunders where are we on getting tempest to run ? | 16:40 |
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cloudnull | using the commit_aio ? | 16:41 |
cloudnull | hughsaunders anything ? | 16:41 |
hughsaunders | cloudnull: had a successful run today: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154799/12 but not reliable yet | 16:41 |
cloudnull | what's "not reliable yet" | 16:42 |
hughsaunders | the build after that failed (patch set 11) | 16:42 |
hughsaunders | latest run failed on installing cinder (unrelated) the one before that failed on restarting keystone-apache (port 5k in use) | 16:44 |
hughsaunders | so currently dealing with annoying failures that aren't actually related to tempest. The last run that got as far as tempest booted an instance, created a volume, attached the volume, but then timed out. | 16:44 |
cloudnull | thats likley related to ssh timeout. | 16:45 |
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cloudnull | also i see that we're still hard coding the default networks ? | 16:45 |
hughsaunders | was a 504 gateway timeout | 16:45 |
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hughsaunders | I moved the cidrs into group_vars/tempest_all so they can be overriden | 16:46 |
cloudnull | in tempest.conf.j2 i see "default_network = 192.168.74.0/24" | 16:47 |
hughsaunders | that will need to be fixed then | 16:47 |
cloudnull | ok, we'll have to look at these issues. Maybe we can port over the role for tempest our of the massive-patch(tm) which will further reduce the size of that patch. | 16:48 |
hughsaunders | cloudnull: did you change it much? | 16:48 |
b3rnard0 | #info cloudnull: in tempest.conf.j2 i see "default_network = 192.168.74.0/24”; hughsaunders: that will need to be fixed then | 16:48 |
cloudnull | not much , but i did map out all of the config options to their appropriate sections. | 16:49 |
cloudnull | and like i mentioned earlier , the massive patch is currently passing gating using tempest. | 16:49 |
cloudnull | so i have it functional in that role. | 16:49 |
cloudnull | do we have anyone from the rax qe here? | 16:49 |
palendae | BjoernT? ^ | 16:50 |
cloudnull | what else gating related do we have going on ? | 16:51 |
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cloudnull | ok moving on | 16:51 |
BjoernT | I'm not officially QE but I kinda fall into the bugs as early adaptor | 16:51 |
hughsaunders | work on converting the commit labs to clean up rather than rekick | 16:51 |
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hughsaunders | QE are working on converting their nightly labs to rekick | 16:52 |
cloudnull | ok. | 16:52 |
cloudnull | BjoernT: do you have anything to add to gating? | 16:52 |
hughsaunders | Also there is still work to be done to use the same set of pre os-ansible-deployment plays across all the labs | 16:52 |
palendae | hughsaunders: That's kind of rax-specific no? | 16:53 |
BjoernT | I have not seen the full potential yet since tempest failed in my cloud environment so too early to say from my perspective | 16:53 |
cloudnull | kk | 16:53 |
BjoernT | is tempest supposed to work with 10.1.2 and 9.0.6 ? | 16:53 |
hughsaunders | tempest should run against both | 16:54 |
cloudnull | BjoernT: imo it should. buts its a work in progress. | 16:54 |
BjoernT | ok I will check out the error I got offline with someone | 16:54 |
cloudnull | So we're almost out of time but i wanted to point out that we have a new bp, if we can get some eyes on it that'd be good. "https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/improved-network-generation" | 16:55 |
palendae | Yeah; I would like people's thoughts on that blueprint | 16:55 |
cloudnull | do we have anything else that we want to discus? | 16:55 |
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b3rnard0 | #info BjoernT: is tempest supposed to work with 10.1.2 and 9.0.6 ?; hughsaunders: tempest should run against both; cloudnull: BjoernT: imo it should. buts its a work in progress. | 16:55 |
b3rnard0 | #topic Open discussion | 16:56 |
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hughsaunders | that bp looks good, may help reduce the amount of code in jenkins-rpc | 16:56 |
palendae | hughsaunders: Yep, and hopefully other places | 16:56 |
b3rnard0 | #info cloudnull: So we're almost out of time but i wanted to point out that we have a new bp, if we can get some eyes on it that'd be good. "https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/improved-network-generation" | 16:56 |
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odyssey4me | yeah, it does look good | 16:56 |
odyssey4me | the debops roles also look like they may be usable for other infrastructure in the stack we deploy | 16:57 |
cloudnull | so cores, lets get eyes on it and prioritize it accordingly. | 16:57 |
* odyssey4me nods | 16:57 | |
cloudnull | ok so lets call it | 16:57 |
b3rnard0 | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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cloudnull | thanks all | 16:58 |
b3rnard0 | thanks everyone | 16:58 |
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