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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 15:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:00 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 15:00 |
| kragniz | o/ | 15:00 |
| stevelle | o/ | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:00 |
| cpallares | o/ | 15:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 15:01 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, Let's get the party started ;) | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | #topic k2 | 15:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "k2 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:01 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/kilo-2 | 15:01 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 15:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Is k-2 finished yet? I saw a lot of activity on cinder | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | A couple of reviews still lingering there. We'd probably see them through in the next 1.5 hours. | 15:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Or is glance delaying k-2 | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | Glance is being stalled for ativelkov's patch | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | any concerns? | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | Any other patches/bugs/info that we may have missed ? | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | Does everyone think we've made a cleaner release than the previous? | 15:03 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: it's been smoother, I think | 15:04 |
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| kragniz | (once the last patches get merged) | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:04 |
| ativelkov | We'll see in a several days if it's cleaner: the previous one looked good at the milestone, but turned out to be broken in several days ) | 15:04 |
| jokke_ | I think bit earlier shout for attention would not have hurt but other than that I think we're on better shape than at k1 | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ah, thanks for bringing that up | 15:04 |
| pennerc | o/ | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | How can we do a better job at getting people's attn? | 15:05 |
| nikhil_k | Does a announcement in the meeting not help at all? | 15:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: It helps but focus tends to shift | 15:05 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: that e-mail was good | 15:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think we might need to email the list a bit more periodically | 15:05 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: shouting louder :P | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: sigmavirus24: ok, thanks for the pointer. | 15:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: frequency is sometimes more important than volume =P | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | It seems that we've more contributors who visit the ML often than previous set who had a bit more IRC focus | 15:06 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: true | 15:06 |
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| nikhil_k | So, the change in dynamics is being felt a bit late. I think we can revisit this topic at the dawn of k3 work. | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | If nothing else.. | 15:07 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic New Glance cores | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Glance cores (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:07 | |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I'm not that convinced about the mailing list either, but when you're e-mail pops directly to my inbox, you got my attention :P | 15:07 |
| cpallares | sigmavirus24: +1 | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: :) | 15:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: perhaps we need a list of people who review things often and their email addresses | 15:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | You can ping them directly | 15:08 |
| * sigmavirus24 is disappointed he wouldn't make that cut =P | 15:08 | |
| jokke_ | perhaps we need glance mailing list :P | 15:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: no that's preposterous | 15:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | :D | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: bingo. I do that already | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | will add you to the list. you called for it | 15:09 |
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| nikhil_k | #startvote Do we need more (active) Glance cores? | 15:10 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Do we need more (active) Glance cores? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 15:10 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:10 |
| * sigmavirus24 wants to vote maybe | 15:10 | |
| nikhil_k | (all are welcome) | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | #vote Yes | 15:10 |
| kragniz | #vote Yes | 15:10 |
| pkoniszewski | #vote Yes | 15:10 |
| ativelkov | Good reviews > more reviews | 15:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | == ativelkov | 15:10 |
| ativelkov | #vote Yes | 15:10 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: ++ | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | == ativelkov | 15:11 |
| cpallares | #vote yes | 15:11 |
| mfedosin | #vote Yes | 15:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm not sure how to vote | 15:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | I feel like we have a good deal of mostly active cores already | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | s/how/what/ ? | 15:11 |
| jokke_ | #vote maybe | 15:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: yes | 15:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: that's how I feel | 15:11 |
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| mclaren | this is for the second proposed batch, right? | 15:11 |
| * sigmavirus24 waves to mclaren | 15:12 | |
| nikhil_k | yes, second for kilo | 15:12 |
| mclaren | ok, thanks | 15:12 |
| mclaren | #vote yes | 15:12 |
| stevelle | #vote yes | 15:12 |
| nikhil_k | (just one may-be-no so far) | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | #vote yes | 15:12 |
| * jokke_ is bit concerned about nikhil_k's shout to slow down and same time adding people to merge stuff in | 15:13 | |
| nikhil_k | ok, that'd help. Please speak now if you've serious concerns. | 15:13 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: good point. Was about to bring it up in the next topic in list | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | #endvote | 15:14 |
| openstack | Voted on "Do we need more (active) Glance cores?" Results are | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | ok, that'd help. Please speak now if you've serious concerns. | 15:14 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: would you mind to clear which one we need? | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | I think we need a _balance_ | 15:15 |
| jokke_ | do we want to move and get stuff done or do we want to slow down? | 15:15 |
| mclaren | I think its about getting the right stuff done | 15:15 |
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| nikhil_k | In k1 we merged stuff without being prepared of the outcome. In k2 we slowed down and became kinda-blockers for some. | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | Having learned lessons from both the milestones, I feel like we'r prepared for the k3 battle ;) | 15:16 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: ++ | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | learnt* | 15:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, I think there were trivial changes that were good to have but were blocked by the slow-down mentality. Which was net positive regardless | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | #topic oslo related reviews | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo related reviews (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:17 | |
| nikhil_k | Continuing... | 15:18 |
| stevelle | Quality software and slowing down are not contrary to putting more eyes on things either | 15:18 |
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| nikhil_k | So, I've been asked by the oslo team as to why their sync changes were being nit | 15:18 |
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| nikhil_k | Although, that being a good thing, we need more bandwidth to babysit such important and cross-project changes | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | And they would be happy if we'd more active cores | 15:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm responsible for one of the nits and it's mostly out of frustration due to the lack of documentation on some of their projects that I've run into | 15:20 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: ++ | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: heh, ok :) | 15:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think asking them to drop links to their docs into the relevant area they're modifying is harmless but perhaps they're not used to being asked for documentation | 15:21 |
| jokke_ | another thing I'd like to add on top of that is consistency ... those changes rarely fits to the code around them on first rounds | 15:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | That said, I've been sending patches to improve some of that documentation so they can't call it some random person complaining | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | a cross-project effort should put a priority on docs | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: sigmavirus24 : yes, I think we need to bring such issues in the Cross project meetings | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: +100 | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | It's so hard to keep track | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | anyways, in the interest of time - I'd be available after the meeting on our regular channel for further discussion on this | 15:22 |
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| sigmavirus24 | So the one that I nitted was the oslo.context update. That said, I'm happy to submit a dependent patch (if it hasn't already been merged | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: please do | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | #toic Meetup recap | 15:23 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: I think that's merged | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Meetup recap | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meetup recap (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:23 | |
| jokke_ | We had lenghty discussion about oslo with Flavio at Saturday and the unfortunate reality is that oslo is heavily killing the readability of the code for laziness and "to reduce the overhead" | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | Not sure who added that? | 15:23 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: tell us more | 15:24 |
| jokke_ | I did ... would just like to have short recap as I was unfortunately bouncing back and forth on the phone conf (after I finally found out about it) | 15:24 |
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| sigmavirus24 | stevelle: sent a recap to our (Rackspace Private Cloud's) team internal list. Would it be helpful if something similar was sent to the ML jokke_ ? | 15:25 |
| nikhil_k | If there are no takers for this topic, we can move one.. | 15:25 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: that would be great | 15:25 |
| * sigmavirus24 seems to have volunteered stevelle | 15:25 | |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: would be good to all be on the same page about what went on | 15:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | == rosamaita | 15:25 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: one thing is the lack of documentation and the way for example moving all named parameters to **kwargs just to avoid maintenance of the function calls | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k | ok, moving on.. | 15:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'll ask stevelle to send a similar message to the ML | 15:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | Let's move on | 15:26 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: that looks like an antipattern | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: rosmaita stevelle sigmavirus24 : can we please continue in the open discussion? | 15:26 |
| stevelle | agreed | 15:26 |
| rosmaita | sorry | 15:26 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: also the unfortunate reality oslo being not the place to everyone contribute but the excuse everyone using not to | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Metadef extension | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Metadef extension (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:27 | |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: sure, sry | 15:27 |
| nikhil_k | pkoniszewski: was that you or Travis ? | 15:27 |
| pkoniszewski | it's me | 15:27 |
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| * nikhil_k hands the mic to pkoniszewski | 15:27 | |
| pkoniszewski | currently api consumer has no idea how to combine multiple values with a single key (im talking about metadefs) | 15:27 |
| pkoniszewski | this is small change to expose which scheduler operators are suitable with given property/object | 15:28 |
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| pkoniszewski | I kindly ask for some reviews, there is also dependency in Horizon and probably i'll beg for exception there | 15:28 |
| pkoniszewski | (bp + code are ready) | 15:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | pkoniszewski: links? | 15:28 |
| pkoniszewski | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/metadata-multivalue-operators-support | 15:29 |
| pkoniszewski | and current speec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147264/5/specs/kilo/metadata-multivalue-operators-support.rst | 15:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | ty | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | pkoniszewski: ok, just started this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-k3 | 15:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh this | 15:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | I remember this | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | please add some context and links to that | 15:29 |
| pkoniszewski | sure! | 15:30 |
| * sigmavirus24 wonders if he should make the obvious Jurassic Park reference | 15:30 | |
| pkoniszewski | that's all for me :) | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: please do | 15:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | "I know this! This is Unix!" | 15:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | (for rosmaita) | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | ty | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | pkoniszewski: thanks! | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | #topic python-glanceclient and glance_store releases | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python-glanceclient and glance_store releases (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:31 | |
| * ativelkov thinks he should rewatch the JP movie, as he doesn't remember that | 15:31 | |
| nikhil_k | We'd plan to do these sometime next week. May be Mon or Tues | 15:31 |
| kragniz | we still have about four patches to merge in the client | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | Are there any objections? | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | ok | 15:32 |
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| nikhil_k | kragniz: Let's get some reviews on them then... | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | another reason for more cores | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: Do you have the list by chance? | 15:33 |
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| jokke_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+milestone/v0.16.0 | 15:33 |
| jokke_ | that's the one I assume? | 15:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | thanks jokke_ | 15:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: I believe so | 15:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | Most of those have +2s on them iirc | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: I don't think reviewers are going and finding links from the milestone pages | 15:34 |
| jokke_ | there's quite a bunch of stuff ... we need to hit it if we want to get the client out there | 15:34 |
| kragniz | jokke_: yes, I was going off the list on trello | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | otherwise, my 3 emails and multiple announcements would have worked for k2 | 15:34 |
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| kragniz | which is a smaller list | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: yes please | 15:35 |
| jokke_ | then we probably need to clean up that milestone as well? | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yeah, may be. good point :) | 15:36 |
| * TravT is scrambling to check out of hotel. apologizes for mostly being absent today | 15:36 | |
| nikhil_k | Anyways, let's try to have at least one release early next week | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Glance upgradeability - versioned objects | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance upgradeability - versioned objects (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:37 | |
| nikhil_k | pkoniszewski: please take over the mic | 15:37 |
| pkoniszewski | so once I mentioned versioned objects to support smooth upgrades in Glance | 15:37 |
| pkoniszewski | spec to show the idea is ready | 15:38 |
| pkoniszewski | if anyone is interested how I see this in Glance you can find it there - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151194/1/specs/kilo/glance-upgrades.rst | 15:38 |
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| nikhil_k | pkoniszewski: Let's sync up offline late next week to set a priority on this | 15:39 |
| pkoniszewski | sure | 15:39 |
| nikhil_k | our channel is logged now, anyways | 15:39 |
| pkoniszewski | just want to add that Heat will test it in K-release | 15:39 |
| mclaren | random thought: I'm not sure what we support in terms of api -> registry upgrade? eg juno api -> kilo registry | 15:39 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: good point, would not be bad idea to ensure that grenade tests that? | 15:40 |
| pkoniszewski | it will, Heat is working on this | 15:40 |
| mclaren | sounds good | 15:41 |
| pkoniszewski | last weekend they made new project in oslo, so it will accelerate now | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | .awesome. | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | #topic k-3 | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "k-3 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:41 | |
| nikhil_k | So, let's club this and mini-summit topic (proposed earlier) | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | We'd some productive discussions at the mini-summit | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | The sad thing is that we will not have enough bandwidth to support all the proposal given our current (core) velocity. | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | So, the plan for k3 should be more focused and prioritized from the get go. | 15:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: preferrably on smaller and achievable goals | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | If you do not have core reviewers assigned to the spec now (don't add me to every one), it will be hard to get them in soon | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: +1 | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | Given two major features proposed, we need enough eyes on them. Besides, there need to be bunch of stability/perf upgrades like the next two in the agenda. | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | I recommend all big features to have more than one representative not in their them with whom they sync up weekly. | 15:46 |
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| ativelkov | not in their..? | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | Since we get to sync up only once a week here, it would be great to organize a small sync up on #openstack-glance periodically | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | err, | 15:47 |
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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I kind of like this idea | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | not in their - group/team/org | 15:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think some people will find it challenging because of timezones, but those who can manage it would probably benefit from it | 15:48 |
| kragniz | one thing we could do is have a whiteboard with the status of certain key reviews | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: right, tz is the major hurdle | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: ++ | 15:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: idea: migrate all glance devs to timezones within +/- 2 of each other. | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | How about we start with https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-k3 | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 15:49 |
| kragniz | (taking inspiration from ironic's whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard) | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | and them evolve into something scalable | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | then* | 15:49 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: you're all welcome to GMT+-2 | 15:49 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 15:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | :D jokke_ | 15:49 |
| ativelkov | +1 on whiteboard | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: nice link! | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 15:50 |
| kragniz | having something like that would be pretty handy | 15:50 |
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| kragniz | they have a link to it in the topic of their IRC channel | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | ok, we seem to have something to start with.. | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | s/with/from/g | 15:50 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic log request id mappings from cinder | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "log request id mappings from cinder (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:51 | |
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| nikhil_k | rajesht: o/ | 15:51 |
| rajesht | We have submitted the patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152820/) for nova project. | 15:51 |
| rajesht | Similar changes we have to do in glance project as well. | 15:51 |
| rajesht | For that I have already submitted the blueprint (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/log-request-id-mappings-from-cinder) | 15:51 |
| rajesht | and in two days time, will submit spec as well. | 15:51 |
| jokke_ | Based on recent discussion on the mailing list, I have strong feeling that this will not happen in Kilo | 15:51 |
| rajesht | Need your opinion about the blueprint ? | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | rajesht: agree with jokke_ on this | 15:52 |
| kragniz | rajesht: this is happening in L on nova, right? | 15:52 |
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| rajesht | yes | 15:52 |
| rajesht | but not sure | 15:53 |
| rajesht | we are trying to make it in kilo | 15:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | I thought nova was frozen for K | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | rajesht: ok, let's see. I've marked it in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-k3 . Please ping me if you do not get any response in a week. | 15:53 |
| rajesht | yes | 15:53 |
| rajesht | sure | 15:53 |
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| abhishekk | nikhil_k: We will be up wiht the spec in day or two for this | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | sg. thanks abhishekk | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Review for glance-specs | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review for glance-specs (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:54 | |
| jokke_ | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg45149.html | 15:54 |
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| nikhil_k | abhishekk: so, mclaren had a nice demo during the minisummit | 15:54 |
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| nikhil_k | I think we just need to sync up there | 15:54 |
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| abhishekk | nikhil_k: yes | 15:55 |
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| abhishekk | I think code is in good shape | 15:55 |
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| abhishekk | and specs needs review | 15:55 |
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| abhishekk | It will be great if I get some early feedback on specs and patch | 15:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | abhishekk: is that the SIGHUP work? | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | ok, sure. I guess drivers team will review it soon as you pointed it out here. | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: yes | 15:56 |
| abhishekk | sigmavirus24: yes | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:57 | |
| TravT | is there anybody in europe (I'm looking at you kragniz) that I could refer to Julie Pichon on the Horizon team to help with v2 horizon / glance work. | 15:57 |
| TravT | I'm working with her on it, but I've been traveling the last two weeks | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: rosmaita stevelle jokke_ : the oslo conversation again.. | 15:57 |
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| sigmavirus24 | so jokke_'s link just now seems relevant to rajesht's spe | 15:57 |
| TravT | she just has a couple questions that I have had time to dig into | 15:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | *spec | 15:57 |
| kragniz | TravT: probably | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | Do we have some action items or agena to be proposed to the Cross project meeting? | 15:58 |
| jokke_ | TravT: yeah we had quick chat about the topic while driving from the airport with kragniz and Julie at Sun ;) | 15:58 |
| TravT | ahh, you all went to FOSDEM | 15:58 |
| kragniz | indeed | 15:58 |
| TravT | great! | 15:58 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: we're quite short on time, should we sync up on this offline rather than rushing through? | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: agreed | 15:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_++ | 15:59 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 16:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-02-05-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-02-05-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| kragniz | thanks all | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-02-05-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| pkoniszewski | thanks! | 16:00 |
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| jokke_ | thnx | 16:00 |
| mclaren | thanks! | 16:00 |
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| b3rnard0 | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 16:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b3rnard0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
| cloudnull | hey everyone. | 16:00 |
| alextricity | howdy | 16:01 |
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| b3rnard0 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:01 |
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| b3rnard0 | #topic RollCall | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| b3rnard0 | hello | 16:01 |
| Apsu | ohai | 16:01 |
| toxick | orly | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | present | 16:02 |
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| d34dh0r53 | present | 16:02 |
| hughsaunders | hey | 16:02 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:02 |
| serverascode | here | 16:02 |
| palendae | here | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:03 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last week (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:03 | |
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| cloudnull | first up: cloudnull odyssey4me to go through bugs for targeting to milestones/series | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | this is done . | 16:04 |
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| cloudnull | 10.1.2rc1 and 9.0.6 have been released . | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | unless odyssey4me you have anything that you want to add about that | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | \o/ | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | Next: Apsu Continue working on F5 monitoring spike | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | I think I'll crack a celebratory drink for that. :p | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | please do | 16:05 |
| Apsu | Yes. Non-critical for a bit, will need to keep pushing it back for right now. | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | kk | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | next: miguelgrinberg to take the lead on: we'll need a volunteer to prepare a patch to convert rpc_support, maas and anything else rpc specific into a (or many) roles which can be installed by ** rpc after a standard os-ansible-deployment install | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | w/ mattt will help miguelgrinberg before he leaves | 16:06 |
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| cloudnull | which idk if miguelgrinberg is around, i think he is on holiday . | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | as is mattt | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | so skipping :) | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | hughsaunders to read inventory-manage.py | 16:07 |
| hughsaunders | hmmm hughsaunders has not read inventory-manage.py | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | b3rnard0 ^ action ite, | 16:08 |
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| hughsaunders | remind me why I was supposed to be reading that? | 16:08 |
| b3rnard0 | #action hughsaunders to start reading inventory-manage.py | 16:08 |
| * hughsaunders hopes they have a kindle version | 16:08 | |
| cloudnull | b3rnard0 is the reminder of things. | 16:09 |
| palendae | hughsaunders: We were talking about extracting some bits to make it a more general library, with potentially more back ends | 16:09 |
| hughsaunders | ah yes, now I remember | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | hughsaunders to know what the heck it was - I think relating to the inventory blueprint | 16:09 |
| hughsaunders | I wanted a system for querying the inventory | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | it was tied to bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/dynamic-inventory-lib | 16:09 |
| hughsaunders | and someone mentioned that inventory-manage is probably it | 16:09 |
| palendae | hughsaunders: Yeah | 16:09 |
| hughsaunders | hence I need to read it | 16:09 |
| b3rnard0 | #info hughsaunders: We were talking about extracting some bits to make it a more general library, with potentially more back ends | 16:09 |
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| b3rnard0 | #link bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/dynamic-inventory-lib | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | so we'll carry that too. | 16:10 |
| mancdaz | here | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | next: b3rnard0 to read about link shorteners | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | b3rnard0 you cat that all sorted out ? | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | :D | 16:10 |
| b3rnard0 | i read about them tiny urls | 16:10 |
| alextricity | lolz | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | next: cloudnull plan to pin it to 1.4.1 and then write up process for upgrading. | 16:11 |
| hughsaunders | b3rnard0: not sure we actually need to carry that item, it was just a hint for me to read the script so I can make use of it | 16:11 |
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| d34dh0r53 | next b3rnard0 use a link shortener | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | we pined oslo.messaging 1.4.1 in 9.0.6 and 10.1.2rc1 so this was accomplished. | 16:11 |
| b3rnard0 | #action b3rnard0 use link shortener at next meeting | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | and finally: b3rnard0 to prepare his whiskey cabinet for emptying later this year | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | ^ get on that b3rnard0 | 16:12 |
| b3rnard0 | on it | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | moving on unless we want to talk about other items from last week. | 16:12 |
| rackertom | I prefer fiji for my water, though. | 16:12 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Vote on the genericized patch and merge process for review "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152753/" <- this is in response to the community request that the repository be de-rackspace-ified and fulfills the blueprints | 16:12 |
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| b3rnard0 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152753/ | 16:13 |
| b3rnard0 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/galaxy-roles | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | so this is a monster patch. | 16:13 |
| b3rnard0 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/rackspace-namesake | 16:13 |
| palendae | Whooooa | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | and odyssey4me has been reviewing it in depth , so tyvm | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | this patch implements our galaxy roles and removes raxisms from the rest of the code base. | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | great reading, it's kinda like an epic heroic fantasy novel... loads of interlinking bits that leave you wondering what's going on until the very last minute | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | its more like the never ending story | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | ;) | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | hahaha | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | the idea is that in Kilo, version 11, we will have a truly community respository of bits . | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | I stopped after a while - didn't go through everything - I hit code fatigue | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | that can be customized outside of our reference architecture. with an ultimate goal of having the openstack specific roles as separate repos within stackforge. | 16:15 |
| Apsu | cloudnull: OS Ansible Lite in action, I see. | 16:16 |
| Apsu | -76843, +27492. Winning | 16:16 |
| palendae | I'm willing to sit down and go through this, though probably not all in one sitting | 16:16 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah - I have actually given it a spin as-is, and it builds... but there are some fundamental questions that I think need to be answered | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | for now, I've kept all of the roles as a collapsed arch. and once we're solid on the implementation we'll go see about bothering infra to create us a few more repos. | 16:17 |
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| odyssey4me | although it's possibly mainly just nomenclature | 16:17 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: How's you do it - AIO? | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me I've been going through your comments so far , and have made most of the recommended changes. | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | palendae yup | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | i was going to pr before the meeting , but then thought that would just be confusing | 16:18 |
| palendae | tbh that really sounds like a day-long endeavor to fully review | 16:18 |
| palendae | Maybe more | 16:18 |
| palendae | It has to be done, though | 16:18 |
| Apsu | Probably more | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | my biggest concern is that the longer this sits in review, the more it gets left behind - so we really need to get on reviewing this quickly and revising it until the point that it's at least a like-for-like functional model | 16:18 |
| git-harry | cloudnull: I think this patch needs breaking up | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | ideally i'd agree with you git-harry | 16:18 |
| palendae | git-harry: Have a suggestion for where to make the separations? | 16:18 |
| palendae | I don't think anyone disagrees that it's unwieldy and not ideal | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | something very important when reviewing is to also bear in mind what patches have gone in during the last few weeks - we have to check that there are no regressions | 16:19 |
| git-harry | Well I've not looked through it but there's always a way | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | however our tightly coupled rax infra doesn't translate without a whole lot of shims and hacks to make it work. which will just end up with thesame reslut | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | yes, the same re-slut :p | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | ^ yes that one . | 16:19 |
| * cloudnull action item learn to type. | 16:20 | |
| git-harry | I just seems like bad practice | 16:20 |
| palendae | It is :p | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | git-harry it is. | 16:20 |
| git-harry | I doubt anyone will review it properly | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | however when the project was moved over to stackforge we didnt do any of this to make it better. | 16:20 |
| palendae | ^ | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | git-harry odyssey4me has reviewed it so far. | 16:21 |
| git-harry | Yes but something that large is very difficult to review properly. Too much is going on | 16:21 |
| hughsaunders | cloudnull: wolud it be possible to split the mass move/rename from the other changes? | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | removing maas, and some of the rackspace scripts is no problem . | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | I would suggest removing maas and rpc_support entirely first, then basing this patch on that review | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | renaming things is . | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | rpc is everywhwere. and is not just related to our variable.s | 16:22 |
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| cloudnull | as is rackspace. and a few other things. | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | all the deletions (not renames/moves) can also be another review, with this one dependant on it | 16:23 |
| b3rnard0 | #info from cloudnull: removing maas, and some of the rackspace scripts is no problem | 16:23 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Those sound more tenable to me, but cloudnull's the one who's actually done this so far, so I defer to him | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | we could do pr the additions and then the deletions , but then we'd need to merge and remove duplicate variables from all.yml and a few other things | 16:23 |
| alextricity | I kind of liked how the playbooks were separated into setup/infra/openstack directories. It doesn't look like that's the case any more. If you wanted to break it up you can do it that way. The roles can also be broken up into their respective projects | 16:23 |
| palendae | alextricity: I think that was to follow 'normal' ansible conventions | 16:24 |
| Apsu | It's not Ansible best-practice. | 16:24 |
| palendae | Ansible doesn't seem to like nesting things | 16:24 |
| alextricity | darn | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | alextricity our broken out directories we're made possible with symlinks and hacks. | 16:24 |
| Apsu | ^ | 16:24 |
| Apsu | And it's ugly | 16:24 |
| palendae | Yeah, the repo was all facades | 16:24 |
| Apsu | The hacks to make it go, are super ugly | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | ^ | 16:24 |
| alextricity | gotcha | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | i will say that it provided structure | 16:24 |
| Apsu | http://docs.ansible.com/playbooks_best_practices.html#directory-layout for reference | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | and i've tried to keep the structure with namespaced plays | 16:25 |
| b3rnard0 | #link http://docs.ansible.com/playbooks_best_practices.html#directory-layout | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | so the rework has been done to follow, as best i could, http://docs.ansible.com/playbooks_best_practices.html | 16:26 |
| b3rnard0 | #link http://docs.ansible.com/playbooks_best_practices.html | 16:27 |
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| cloudnull | so what i want is for people to review it, comment on it, and before it is excepted i'd like to have +6, cores and other. | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | the only way to break this up more would be to essentially rework the current roles in-place, to break out the common roles and ensure the roles are more stand-alone - then to evolve them... that would be a lot of work, which is already in this patch | 16:27 |
| Apsu | ^ | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | this patch is the end goal which, if we try to do a slow evolution, would probably take a month or two of active work from multiple people | 16:29 |
| Apsu | I see minor wings capable of being separated out, and then the main body of coupled -> decoupled work. | 16:29 |
| Apsu | So, let's review it and make it go. | 16:29 |
| d34dh0r53 | agreed, this is some short term pain and then we're done | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | but yeah - I think it is important for us to really understand how this is working - determine if it's the right way of doing it (not just a sound way of doing it) | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | once kilo is released and we no longer have to carry raxisms we'll be in a much better place. | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | ideally we don't want to have to do this again | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | ^ that | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | kilo is still a few months away, so if we allow this patch to merge - backporting will not be simple | 16:30 |
| d34dh0r53 | ^^ yes | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | we'll have to develop patches for juno independantly from master | 16:31 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me this is true. | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | but if we keep this in the wings, until kilo is here. then we'll be releasing kilo in november like we did with icehouse. | 16:31 |
| b3rnard0 | #info from odyssey4me we'll have to develop patches for juno independantly from master | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | unless we can make some very slick plays/scripts for upgrading alongside this | 16:32 |
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| cloudnull | so that is another thing . this patch will upgrade rax juno to this. | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | IMO we will never port this patch to 10 or 9 as is. | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | i dont think we have any more 10 x features that we need to release. | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | nope - dealing with v9 & v10 is going to effectively be a rax technical debt to deal with... it's not really a generalised community problem | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | feature, probably not - bugfixes, always | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | so with the release of 10.1.2 we should have stable rax product and be able to bug fix as needed . | 16:34 |
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| cloudnull | 9 is in maintenance mode as is. | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | so thats all i have to say about that. | 16:36 |
| * odyssey4me nods | 16:36 | |
| cloudnull | i'd love to hear from everyone that wants to be involved. | 16:37 |
| * hughsaunders plugs the mic back in | 16:37 | |
| cloudnull | so unless anyone else wants to say something regarding this lets move on. | 16:37 |
| d34dh0r53 | I'll help with reviews | 16:37 |
| b3rnard0 | #info cloudnull: so what i want is for people to review it, comment on it, and before it is excepted i'd like to have +6, cores and other. | 16:38 |
| b3rnard0 | #action d34dh0r53 : to help with review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152753/ | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | moving on . | 16:39 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Upstream gating and how do we make it better - (cloudnull) - patch in review for some improvements: | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upstream gating and how do we make it better - (cloudnull) - patch in review for some improvements: (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:39 | |
| b3rnard0 | #link https://review.openstack.org/152965 | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | so odyssey4me has done some great work on this so far. | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | where / what do we need to make this go? | 16:40 |
| * cloudnull hands mic to odyssey4me | 16:40 | |
| odyssey4me | yeah, so for the moment I'm trying to put together a set of scripts to allow localised testing just as the gate is doing | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | in other words you can build up your own environment - AIO or otherwise - and modify whatever, then run the lint/syntax/build/tempest tests just like the gate does | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | this is great. | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | I'm still working out the kinks, but the patch is available for comment here: https://review.openstack.org/152965 | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | I'm getting some oddities from openstack-infra at the moment. | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | the ideal things is for the openstack-infra and external-CI systems to make use of these scripts instead of other scripts | 16:41 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: How/where are you seeing the output from openstack-infra? | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | palendae jenkins check results on the right | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | click the link, then open the log | 16:42 |
| palendae | Gotcha | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | I know that hughsaunders has a working set of plays which does much the same bootstrapping stuff... that can be an evolution once these work. | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | if we can ansibilize as much as possible, that'd be amazeballs :p | 16:43 |
| palendae | meta-setup plays? | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | for now I'm using these skanky bash scripts to work out all the funny edge cases and such | 16:44 |
| hughsaunders | palendae: yeah the jenkins-rpc playbooks that are used for the hardware labs | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull did some awesome evolutions of the gate scripts in https://review.openstack.org/152753 so I've added many of them in | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | this, of course, does mean that https://review.openstack.org/152753 will need a nasty rebase | 16:45 |
| palendae | hughsaunders: Cool | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me im up to the rebase challenge. :) | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | I would like another gate-check script added to the list - one for performance testing, which can run rally | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | any volunteers for putting that together? | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | hughsaunders ^ ? | 16:47 |
| b3rnard0 | git-harry loves rally too | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | it's not critical now - just some time after the dust has settled on this one | 16:47 |
| hughsaunders | performance testing on pub cloud isn't great | 16:47 |
| hughsaunders | but I would like to see that as a job run from the same jenkins master | 16:47 |
| palendae | Yeah, AIO performance testing wouldn't be very reliable, I'd think | 16:48 |
| hughsaunders | b3rnard0 is arranging for QE to talk to the performance people to try and make that happen | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | hughsaunders yeah, that's the idea - so anyone can run the job the same way - whether it be in a test environment or in the external CI | 16:48 |
| hughsaunders | odyssey4me: in that case I agree | 16:48 |
| hughsaunders | I'd love to have all testing processes (performance, security, qe) demystified so we can run them | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | the AIO can't cope with tempest testing, so performance testing is a waste - the idea is to have a single script in the repo which is used for when there is an environment to test | 16:49 |
| palendae | hughsaunders: We also have an internal Trello card for stevelle and I to talk to you and jwagner about not doing a full rekick on hardware labs | 16:49 |
| b3rnard0 | #info from hughsaunders: performance testing on pub cloud isn't great; but I would like to see that as a job run from the same jenkins master | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | we can add a security check script later, once we figure out an appropriate set of tests - that's not essential now | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | the top priorities are lint (incl syntax), build, then functional tests | 16:50 |
| hughsaunders | I agree also, those things are long term as they involve other teams | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | so lets open up the discussion to anything else that needs to be talked about. | 16:51 |
| hughsaunders | odyssey4me: I need try this against an AIO https://github.com/stackforge/os-ansible-deployment/blob/master/rpc_deployment/roles/tempest/files/rpc_tempest_gate.sh#L48 if it works then that could be a good start for AIO functional tests | 16:51 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Open discussion | 16:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:52 | |
| odyssey4me | hughsaunders yup - I've already instrumented for it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152965/21/scripts/gate-check-smoke.sh | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | i'd like to say hi to a few new nics here. serverascode and toxick. | 16:53 |
| hughsaunders | odyssey4me: nice | 16:54 |
| toxick | ohai! | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | :) | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | ok well lets call it | 16:55 |
| b3rnard0 | thanks everyone | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | thanks b3rnard0 | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:56 |
| b3rnard0 | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:56 | |
| hughsaunders | thanks cloudnull | 16:56 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 16:56:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-02-05-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-02-05-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-02-05-16.00.log.html | 16:56 |
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| cloudnull | ha | 16:56 |
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