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| Swami | pc_m: hi | 14:59 |
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| pc_m | Swami: Hi! | 14:59 |
| Swami | pc_m: I saw your comment on one of my vpn patch. | 15:00 |
| Swami | for manual testing | 15:00 |
| Swami | I have done the manual testing with DVR and Vpn patch. | 15:00 |
| pc_m | Swami: Yeah, we can chat in the meet... | 15:00 |
| pc_m | meeting | 15:00 |
| Swami | Do you see any issuee. | 15:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | ok | 15:00 |
| pc_m | matrohon: hi | 15:01 |
| numan | hi | 15:01 |
| pc_m | #startmeeting vpnaas | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 15:01:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas' | 15:01 |
| pc_m | hi numan | 15:01 |
| numan | hi | 15:01 |
| numan | pc_m, hi | 15:01 |
| pc_m | OK. let's go... | 15:02 |
| pc_m | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:02 | |
| pc_m | I updated the Wiki with info on running VPN on a single DevStack with two routers | 15:03 |
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| pc_m | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/VPNaaS/HowToInstall#VPNaaS_with_Single_DevStack_and_Two_Routers | 15:03 |
| matrohon | pc_m : great! | 15:03 |
| pc_m | We can use that to do a nice functional/scenario test for VPN. | 15:03 |
| numan | pc_m, great | 15:03 |
| Swami | pc_m: nice | 15:04 |
| pc_m | Any other announcements? | 15:04 |
| pc_m | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:05 | |
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| pc_m | Please take some time and look at the VPN bugs and provide comments so we can move everything forward. | 15:06 |
| pc_m | Here's the list https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-vpnaas,n,z | 15:06 |
| pc_m | Want to touch on a few and get feedback from people... | 15:06 |
| pc_m | One is PID issue on CentOS. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147852/ | 15:07 |
| Swami | pc_m: I got a comment from you on one of my patch for the vpnaas support for DVR | 15:08 |
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| Swami | regarding manual testing. | 15:08 |
| pc_m | I'm a little concerned about whether that temp fix is adequate. Anyone know of a long term solution? | 15:08 |
| pc_m | Swami: hang on. we'll hit that one in a sec. | 15:08 |
| Swami | pc_m: thanks | 15:09 |
| pc_m | Appears to be that if dir is not owned by root, there are issues in CentOS. | 15:10 |
| pc_m | Should we bring this up on ML or neutron IRC? | 15:11 |
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| numan | the temp solution solves this problem by adding '/' at the end of the pid path ? | 15:12 |
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| pc_m | numan: yeah | 15:12 |
| numan | ok. | 15:13 |
| pc_m | At the min. we need some comment to indicate this special workaround. Wondering about final solution. | 15:13 |
| pc_m | #action Discuss 147852 on ML to see if there is a permanent solution. | 15:14 |
| pc_m | Swami: We can talk about your review... do you have the review link... | 15:14 |
| pc_m | I got it... #link https://review.openstack.org/143203 | 15:14 |
| Swami | yes | 15:15 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143203/ | 15:15 |
| pc_m | I need to go over it again. My main concern was that we've manually tested setting up IPSec connections, as we don't have any functional/scenario tests. | 15:15 |
| Swami | You have a comment in there to make sure that I do the manual testing. | 15:15 |
| Swami | Yes we are planning to add some functional and scenario test for the ipsec vpn. | 15:16 |
| pc_m | I see you have. Great! I'll approve. | 15:16 |
| Swami | But that should be submitted as a separate patch and will work on it. | 15:16 |
| matrohon | Swami : please have a look at fullstack for functional tests | 15:17 |
| pc_m | Swami: Yes, we badly need functional tests. I have a way to run on one node. | 15:17 |
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| matrohon | Swami : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128259/ | 15:18 |
| pc_m | Was planning on talking to Maru and others about what is needed for a test. | 15:18 |
| numan | pc_m, Swami, presently jenkins doesn't run functional job for vpnaas. I have raised a bug for it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1412770 | 15:18 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m to investigate what is needed for function/scenario test. | 15:18 |
| Swami | pc_m: Yes I understand, we are in the process of adding functional tests and vpn will be also under the radar. That is a good point. | 15:18 |
| matrohon | Swami : do you have an assigned bug? | 15:19 |
| pc_m | Can use help is creating the test cases, especially for variants, like DVR. | 15:19 |
| pc_m | numan: Yeah, saw that. Do we have any functional tests? | 15:19 |
| Swami | matrohon: no i have not created a bug for the functional test, but we are working with marun and carl_baldwin to fill in the issues with functional tests. | 15:20 |
| numan | pc_m, not yet, but there are two patches which have functional tests | 15:20 |
| pc_m | numan: Gotcha. So we have a place holder for enabling, once these are working. | 15:21 |
| pc_m | Another bug is FQDN #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145005/ | 15:21 |
| numan | pc_m, i saw your comments. I will address them | 15:22 |
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| numan | pc_m, one question is about the functional tests. Are they really functional tests ? | 15:22 |
| pc_m | Yeah, the test seems to just be testing the get next hop method. Seems just like a UT to me. | 15:23 |
| numan | i added those tests in the functional test section because they interact with the system | 15:23 |
| pc_m | numan: Did you have something different in mind, or am I missing something. | 15:23 |
| numan | i can move them to unit tests. can the unit tests create namespace and other resources ? | 15:24 |
| pc_m | I see your reply... good question. I'm not sure if it needs to be in functional test due to the namespace. | 15:24 |
| numan | ok. In that case I will move them to unit tests | 15:25 |
| pc_m | numan: Let's ask on IRC and see if they should be functional or unit. | 15:25 |
| numan | sure | 15:26 |
| pc_m | numan: Especially because getaddrinfo is mocked out, right? | 15:26 |
| numan | Also do we need to support running functional tests in jenkins before the patch (with functional tests) merges ? | 15:26 |
| numan | pc_m, right. | 15:27 |
| pc_m | Yeah, that's a bit of a catch-22 | 15:27 |
| numan | pc_m, i will see if i can get away mocking getaddrinfo | 15:27 |
| matrohon | numan : that seems reasonnable | 15:27 |
| pc_m | #action numan to see if tests for 145005 need to be fucntional or UT. | 15:27 |
| numan | matrohon, you mean mocking getaddrinfo ? | 15:28 |
| pc_m | numan: I'm thinking if you just mock, and consider a UT, you avoid the whole issue. | 15:28 |
| pc_m | In general though, I guess we need to determine what functional tests we need for VPN. | 15:28 |
| matrohon | I meant waiting for functional test to be run in neutron-vpnaas | 15:28 |
| numan | matrohon, ok | 15:29 |
| pc_m | The one with StrongSwan seems to make sense. | 15:29 |
| pc_m | numan: Check on the IRC. I think you can progress much faster, if you don't have the functional test dependency. | 15:30 |
| numan | pc_m, ok sure | 15:30 |
| pc_m | Next one is netns for StrongSwan #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146508/ | 15:31 |
| pc_m | I'm struggling a bit on netns_wrapper.py in that bug. | 15:32 |
| * pc_m not versed in /proc files | 15:32 | |
| matrohon | me too : it's very hard to review! | 15:32 |
| pc_m | Logic in execute_with_wount() is hard to understand. | 15:33 |
| pc_m | I've been chatting with people on IRC. I'm questioning whether or not we can require kernel 3.8+ and thus use ns/mnt check. | 15:33 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m discuss on ML whether we can require kernel 3.8+ for StrongSwan netns (146508) | 15:34 |
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| pc_m | Does anyone know what the check on L129-130 does? | 15:35 |
| * pc_m wondering if Zhang is on-line | 15:35 | |
| matrohon | I think he is located in beijing | 15:36 |
| pc_m | matrohon: I'll post on ML as, we may be able to require kernel 3.8+ and be able to use /ns/mnt. | 15:37 |
| matrohon | I think that nati_ueno could be asked to, this code is inspired from a previous patch of nati | 15:37 |
| pc_m | Will see what the response is on the review. | 15:37 |
| pc_m | matrohon: good point. Checking... | 15:38 |
| pc_m | don't see him on now, but can talk to him. It's an old file. Just not sure the assumptions are still true. | 15:38 |
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| pc_m | Next one is StrongSwan #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144391/ | 15:39 |
| numan | i think the code checks 2 points in one shot 1. if the caller is root or not 2. if the file /proc/1/ns/net exists or not | 15:39 |
| pc_m | #undo | 15:39 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x2000a50> | 15:39 |
| pc_m | #redo | 15:40 |
| * pc_m oops. didn't mean to undo... | 15:40 | |
| pc_m | #topic Bugs | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:40 | |
| * pc_m might have messed that up. | 15:40 | |
| pc_m | numan: Yeah, but isn't this always called as root? Or is it a double check. | 15:41 |
| numan | pc_m, if it isn't called as root os.getpid() will not be 1 i think | 15:41 |
| pc_m | numan: Then the log message seems to confuse me as well. | 15:41 |
| numan | pc_m, right. i think the code can be clearer. | 15:42 |
| pc_m | numan: We'll let Zhang respond. | 15:42 |
| pc_m | On StrongSwan review, 144391, I need to look it over again. | 15:42 |
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| pc_m | Anyone have any other bugs to discuss? | 15:43 |
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| pc_m | Please review the ones we have right now. We can use more eyes on these, from different perspectives. | 15:44 |
| matrohon | numam reported a bug to enable functional test in neutron-vpnaas, but we already discussed that earlier | 15:45 |
| matrohon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1412770 | 15:45 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: Yes, appreciate the creation to track that. | 15:45 |
| matrohon | I don't know if we have to wait for the infra to add the job | 15:46 |
| numan | i am still not clear. if we need to fix this bug first or let some functional tests gets merged before enabling in infra | 15:46 |
| matrohon | oh numan already assigned it to himself! | 15:46 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m find out the sequencing for enabling functional tests and first reviews with functional pieces. | 15:46 |
| numan | matrohon, i unassigned myself as i dont have the necessary expertise :) | 15:47 |
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| matrohon | I think you have to enable funct test job first, to have it voting on your new func test | 15:47 |
| pc_m | numan: If you have bandwidth, do you want to pursue it though (none of us have expertise, I think)? | 15:48 |
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| numan | pc_m, i will try :) | 15:48 |
| pc_m | I think we're all groping in the dark on the test stuff. Will need to consult with other. | 15:48 |
| pc_m | numan: AWESOME! | 15:48 |
| pc_m | #action numan to follow up on 1412770 needs | 15:49 |
| matrohon | does anyone know who configured the job to run the vpnaas project | 15:49 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: I don't know. | 15:49 |
| pc_m | numan: You may want to ask Maru on IRC. He may know. | 15:50 |
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| pc_m | #topic Open Discussion | 15:50 |
| numan | ok | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:50 | |
| pc_m | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 15:50 |
| pc_m | Anything we're missing or need to do differently? | 15:51 |
| pc_m | Thanks for joining in everyone! | 15:52 |
| pc_m | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 15:52:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-01-20-15.01.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-01-20-15.01.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-01-20-15.01.log.html | 15:52 |
| numan | thank you | 15:53 |
| numan | bye | 15:53 |
| pc_m | numan: bye | 15:53 |
| pc_m | bye | 15:53 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 15:56 |
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| johnsom | Morning Doug | 15:57 |
| SantoshNetScaler | Hi All | 15:57 |
| blogan | hi | 15:57 |
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| kobis | hi | 15:59 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 16:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 16:00 |
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| dougwig | #topic good morning/evening | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "good morning/evening (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:00 | |
| dougwig | o/ | 16:00 |
| ajmiller | o/ hi | 16:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| jamiem | o/ | 16:00 |
| dougwig | agenda: | 16:00 |
| dougwig | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS | 16:00 |
| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| sballe__ | o/ | 16:02 |
| dougwig | the usual mid-cycle reminder, kilo-2 reminder (2/5). | 16:02 |
| dougwig | Next lbaasv2 review to focus on: | 16:02 |
| dougwig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144831/5 | 16:02 |
| dougwig | any other announcements? | 16:02 |
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| blogan | lets try and get that one and the one after merged, just to reduce the insanity of the dependency chains | 16:03 |
| sballe__ | +1 | 16:03 |
| dougwig | got a link handy? | 16:03 |
| dougwig | for the second. | 16:03 |
| rm_work | ah, this is where people are | 16:03 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 16:03 |
| jorgem | o/ | 16:03 |
| jorgem | sorry thought it was in alt | 16:04 |
| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144832/ | 16:04 |
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| dougwig | #topic Mid-cycle meetup details | 16:04 |
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| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-kilo-meetup | 16:04 |
| SantoshNetScaler | ## | 16:05 |
| dougwig | I wanted to tear through the main areas quickly this morning. Highlight areas that need an owner, and ask current owners if there's anything blocking them or that they need before the sprint. | 16:05 |
| dougwig | 1. Finish outstanding v2 reviews (dougwig, blogan) | 16:05 |
| dougwig | blogan, anything blocking us? | 16:05 |
| blogan | not the first 2, but the one after will need a neutron review to be merged first | 16:06 |
| dougwig | ok | 16:06 |
| blogan | which im sure you will be able to help on come thursday ;) | 16:06 |
| dougwig | 2. Complete Agent Ref Impl | 16:06 |
| dougwig | i've seen the ref driver reviews have some activity. anyone signed up to agent-ify yet? | 16:06 |
| * dougwig hears crickets while waiting for his tea to brew. | 16:07 | |
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| dougwig | 3. API Improvements (blogan) | 16:07 |
| dougwig | this is the one with a neutron review, right? | 16:07 |
| blogan | yep | 16:07 |
| dougwig | 4. Client/CLI (johnsom) | 16:07 |
| dougwig | johnsom in the house? | 16:07 |
| johnsom | I got in touch with Ryan, he hasn't had time to work on the client | 16:07 |
| dougwig | anything you need from the team in the next 2 weeks? any progress on neutron client vs openstack client? | 16:08 |
| johnsom | I looked at the openstack client docs but I haven't yet looked at how much it aligns to the API | 16:08 |
| blogan | you find out more on whether we should go with openstack-client or neutron client? | 16:08 |
| blogan | oh ditto | 16:08 |
| johnsom | I think we should get a neutron client out and working as we can get the reviews | 16:08 |
| blogan | do you have the review that ctracey already had up? | 16:09 |
| johnsom | So that is the path I think we should go down. I know there is some work complete is that direction, but send me the link | 16:09 |
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| dougwig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111475/ | 16:09 |
| blogan | dougwig too quick | 16:10 |
| xgerman | yeah, ajmiller knows all aboit it ;-) | 16:10 |
| blogan | gerrit too damn slow | 16:10 |
| johnsom | Yep. | 16:10 |
| dougwig | i used the etherpad. :) | 16:10 |
| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews | 16:10 |
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| blogan | i dont care what mestery says about you, you actually aren't that dumb | 16:10 |
| dougwig | any other issues/questions/blockers with the client for this morning? | 16:11 |
| dougwig | haha. | 16:11 |
| johnsom | I don't have any | 16:11 |
| dougwig | 5. Tests - Rama (HP QA ) | 16:11 |
| dougwig | is Rama around? (what's his irc nick?) | 16:11 |
| xgerman | he volunteered at one of our meetings so I pinned him down | 16:11 |
| xgerman | he is still getting up to speed | 16:12 |
| dougwig | xgerman: excellent. | 16:12 |
| dougwig | is he able to attend the sprint, or will he be remote? | 16:12 |
| blogan | are those tempest tests going into tree? | 16:12 |
| xgerman | remote | 16:12 |
| blogan | etherpad says he'll be remote | 16:12 |
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| dougwig | ok. xgerman, can you check with him as to progress/blockers/anything he needs? | 16:12 |
| xgerman | will do! | 16:13 |
| dougwig | ty | 16:13 |
| dougwig | 6. TLS (ptoohill, evgeny) | 16:13 |
| dougwig | ptoohill or evgenyf awake yet? :) | 16:13 |
| ptoohill | Im working on updating the ref sync impl as of now | 16:13 |
| ptoohill | evgenyf had a couple pieces to put together now that we have deps set up for the cert stuffs | 16:14 |
| rm_work | Carlos and I have related reviews too, and all of the TLS related reviews are stuck at the end of that review chain we mentioned earlier | 16:14 |
| ptoohill | and fixing tests all around | 16:14 |
| evgenyf | I'm working on using real tls certificates manager code | 16:14 |
| dougwig | great. anything blocking you guys besides reviews? | 16:14 |
| ptoohill | No sir | 16:14 |
| evgenyf | No | 16:14 |
| dougwig | great. | 16:14 |
| dougwig | 7. L7 (evgeny) | 16:14 |
| dougwig | i saw these reviews got re-posted. are we waiting on anything else for them? | 16:15 |
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| dougwig | evgenyf: you're listed as tentative for the sprint. are you able to make it? | 16:15 |
| evgenyf | re-proposed to neutron-lbaas, ready for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148232/ | 16:15 |
| evgenyf | dougwig, yes, extensions code is missing | 16:16 |
| dougwig | can you propose the extension code against neutron, or do you need someone else to do that? | 16:16 |
| blogan | he alreayd did it | 16:16 |
| dougwig | oh, ok. | 16:17 |
| ptoohill | awesomesauce | 16:17 |
| dougwig | so that's all in review land. | 16:17 |
| blogan | with unicorns | 16:17 |
| dougwig | 8. Docs | 16:17 |
| dougwig | did we resurrect the v2 api docs? | 16:17 |
| blogan | thats what i was wondering | 16:17 |
| blogan | email on ML saying they were looking at them and i didnt know they were viewable by anyone | 16:18 |
| dougwig | who was the original author? | 16:18 |
| xgerman | min | 16:18 |
| blogan | min i believe | 16:18 |
| xgerman | we have them in a Google drive | 16:18 |
| dougwig | is she going to take that back over, or do we need a new owner? | 16:18 |
| xgerman | I think she can do it | 16:18 |
| dougwig | great. can you close the loop with her? | 16:18 |
| xgerman | yep, will do | 16:18 |
| dougwig | ty | 16:19 |
| dougwig | (almost done) | 16:19 |
| dougwig | 9. Heat? | 16:19 |
| dougwig | do we need to do anything for heat? | 16:19 |
| xgerman | well, we likely need to test that it works | 16:19 |
| xgerman | but I never used heat | 16:19 |
| blogan | won't heat need some code updates to support v2? | 16:19 |
| dougwig | anyone want to wade into that for kilo? | 16:19 |
| sballe__ | What do we need to test with Heat? | 16:20 |
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| dougwig | sballe__: that's step 1 of the task. :) | 16:20 |
| sballe__ | That we can orchestrate things with heat? | 16:20 |
| jorgem | the spurs handled the heat just fine last year dougwig | 16:20 |
| ptoohill | Out of left field | 16:20 |
| sballe__ | jorgem: :-) | 16:20 |
| rm_work | johnsom: <_< | 16:20 |
| jorgem | lol | 16:20 |
| rm_work | err | 16:20 |
| rm_work | jorgem: <_< | 16:20 |
| jorgem | You can check that one off the list :) | 16:20 |
| dougwig | sports humor in a nerd chatroom. the whooshing noise is really loud. | 16:20 |
| evgenyf | blogan: regarding extensions code proposal to neutron, I did not do it. Did you mean ptoohill did it? | 16:21 |
| ptoohill | did i? | 16:21 |
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| dougwig | blogan: the l7 extension is proposed? i missed it, if so. | 16:21 |
| evgenyf | ptoohill: did you ?:) | 16:21 |
| blogan | evgenyf: maybe ptoohill did, i just saw it linked in your review | 16:21 |
| sballe__ | I have to look into heat fro some other project so if we can agree what we want to do woth heat I can probably sign up for it | 16:21 |
| ptoohill | i havnt touched anything for l7 | 16:21 |
| blogan | nvm | 16:21 |
| ptoohill | blogan, we were going to wait for that when i was messing with it | 16:21 |
| blogan | i misread it | 16:22 |
| blogan | misread the comment | 16:22 |
| dougwig | evgenyf: can you re-propose the extension in neutron master? | 16:22 |
| ptoohill | So, yea, that still needs to be done in that case | 16:22 |
| evgenyf | dougwig: I will | 16:22 |
| dougwig | back to heat, we'll leave that as open and needing an owner for now. | 16:22 |
| dougwig | #action evgenyf Propose L7 extension in neutron master | 16:22 |
| rm_work | dougwig: i think sballe__ possibly volunteered :P | 16:23 |
| dougwig | 10. Horizon? | 16:23 |
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| dougwig | re: heat - Oh, missed that. Sweet, thank you sable. | 16:23 |
| dougwig | sballe. | 16:23 |
| rm_work | who was it that was working on horizon before? one of the paypal guys? | 16:23 |
| blogan | vivek | 16:24 |
| dougwig | horizon - anyone heard from vivek lately? I think we're far enough into Kilo that we'd need to do it as an add-on module for horizon in our own repo. | 16:24 |
| jorgem | have not heard from him lately | 16:24 |
| dougwig | ok, i'll email him. i may have someone here that can work on that, if he doesn't have any cycles. | 16:25 |
| blogan | here as in your office or in the channel? | 16:25 |
| dougwig | and that's the list of big areas. anything missing or any other meetup details anyone wants to talk about? | 16:25 |
| dougwig | (as in my office.) | 16:25 |
| dougwig | ok, moving on... | 16:26 |
| dougwig | #topic Statuses (Provisioning and Operating) (blogan) | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Statuses (Provisioning and Operating) (blogan) (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:26 | |
| SantoshNetScaler | Following is change-set addressing the earlier review comments for NetScaler Driver for neutron_lbaas v2 APIs. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148541/ | 16:27 |
| dougwig | blogan: this topic is all yours. | 16:27 |
| dougwig | SantoshNetScaler: ty | 16:27 |
| blogan | so dougwig last week you had mentioned that you thought the load balancer and listener objects would have operating status and everything else provisioning status | 16:28 |
| blogan | currently all objects just have a status field, which means different things for each object | 16:28 |
| dougwig | actually, i'd like *everything* to have both, and leave it up to the driver, but that's me. | 16:29 |
| blogan | well that means the drivers have to do a lot of status management for every entity | 16:29 |
| dougwig | (oh, you're going to leap on leaving it to the driver. poor phrasing. still with the automated provisioning statuses we've talked about previously.) | 16:29 |
| blogan | lol | 16:29 |
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| blogan | what do you mean automated provisioning statuses? | 16:30 |
| dougwig | in the normal cases, the plugin would manage status. in exceptional cases, the driver could just raise. some other mechanism to enable async and tell the plugin to leave it alone. but the driver always handles operational. | 16:31 |
| dougwig | this has the makings of a dougwig/blogan argument. shall we take it offline and into channel later, or do we have any other opinions? | 16:32 |
| blogan | well that would require some extra work to get that automated provisioning status still, and id like for the operational status to somehow be managed by the plugin as well but realize that is not realistic in a short amount of time | 16:32 |
| xgerman | I am with dougwig | 16:32 |
| dougwig | blogan: we'd need some way for the underlying subsystem to communicated operational state back to the plugin, for the plugin to update the status. like, maybe, updating the status? :-) | 16:33 |
| xgerman | also how does that all work wgen we say share pools | 16:34 |
| blogan | i know, or other ways ive thought about but in the end it is the plugin reacting on something the driver did | 16:34 |
| dougwig | xgerman: that goes back to the good argument to only have status trees in the LoadBalancer object. | 16:35 |
| * blogan jedi mind tricks xgerman | 16:35 | |
| xgerman | but that is a different discussion than having two fields | 16:36 |
| xgerman | ;-) | 16:36 |
| dougwig | i think one of us needs to write up a short proposal and try to converge on a plan. we've had this discussion about 5 times now in a vacuum. :) | 16:36 |
| sballe__ | dougwig: +1 | 16:36 |
| blogan | well if we have two fields on a pool, then we enable sharing then we'll have to remove those fields and cause a break in contract, which would cause a new version of the api | 16:36 |
| dougwig | blogan: +1 | 16:37 |
| dougwig | nothing says we can't have two statuses, but only in the LB (or just one set in the LB) | 16:37 |
| blogan | well one thing needs to be decided on, do we want to leave this version open to sharing objects? | 16:37 |
| dougwig | i'm against sharing, and always have been. :) | 16:37 |
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| blogan | well im against it right now as it is a big blocker and has been for a while | 16:38 |
| xgerman | ok, no sharing works for me | 16:39 |
| dougwig | seems to be a solution searching for a problem, to me. | 16:39 |
| dougwig | i can see merit, but not enough to offset the implementation woes. | 16:39 |
| blogan | well the problem is especially with L7 rules | 16:39 |
| dougwig | autocorrect just made that "implementation whores" | 16:39 |
| blogan | lol | 16:39 |
| dougwig | i'd rather see M:N on an l7 parent object than of pools. | 16:39 |
| blogan | anyone stongly in favor of sharing objects? (if only sam was here) | 16:40 |
| jorgem | I need to understand the problem better | 16:41 |
| ptoohill | speak of the devil | 16:41 |
| ptoohill | jk | 16:41 |
| jorgem | Is this on the ML somewhere? | 16:41 |
| dougwig | short write-up to ML? short, because no one reads long. | 16:41 |
| blogan | its been a discussion for a long time | 16:41 |
| rm_work | have we been using the ML for the past several months? >_> | 16:41 |
| blogan | ill write it up | 16:41 |
| rm_work | if so, i have some catching up to do | 16:41 |
| jorgem | blogan: It was a discussion a long time ago you mean? | 16:41 |
| blogan | im not sure i can keep it short though, but i will try | 16:41 |
| blogan | no its been ongoing, peaks and valleys | 16:42 |
| blogan | it always comes up bc it is a big decision that affects the api in a major way | 16:42 |
| rm_work | ah i see posts about it from sam as recent as a month ago | 16:42 |
| dougwig | #action blogan Two status/status tree/sharing of objects writeup to ML | 16:42 |
| jorgem | blogan: Has the dust settled a bit on it at least. (i.e do we have a couple of options to compare?) | 16:43 |
| dougwig | we just need to close on a plan and not be blocked, even if we can't get perfect consensus. | 16:43 |
| blogan | yes 2 options | 16:43 |
| jorgem | k | 16:43 |
| blogan | one sam has proposed and the other option is no sharing and provisioning and operating statuses remain on the entities | 16:43 |
| jorgem | okay ML it is | 16:44 |
| blogan | so aside from that, we can still decide on which entities have provisioning and operating statuses | 16:44 |
| xgerman | yeah, having two statuses shouldn't impact where they live | 16:45 |
| dougwig | i'd suggest you pick one and just say that, instead of asking the ML to decide. if you pick the wrong one, everyone will scream. | 16:45 |
| xgerman | + 1 | 16:45 |
| blogan | pick one of the sharing models or where the entities live? | 16:45 |
| dougwig | yes. | 16:45 |
| blogan | lol | 16:45 |
| ptoohill | :P | 16:45 |
| xgerman | we can have two sttauses and put them on an lb tree | 16:46 |
| blogan | well im going to just go with what is there, which is similar to octavia | 16:46 |
| dougwig | is that two status no sharing? | 16:46 |
| blogan | xgerman: no point if we have two statuses on the entities and then introduce a tree, the statuses on the entities won't make sense if they're being shared | 16:46 |
| blogan | unless you mean just a status tree on the lb without sharing | 16:47 |
| xgerman | yep, there are just a ton of permutations | 16:47 |
| blogan | two status is independent of sharing, its just where the statuses live that is dependent | 16:47 |
| xgerman | yep | 16:47 |
| dougwig | we could also put a status tree on the lb without sharing, and status helper methods in the sub-objects that go look in the parent. | 16:48 |
| xgerman | exactly - and that might make it easier to got to sharing if we ever need to | 16:48 |
| dougwig | 2 minutes, then we need to move on to other topics. | 16:48 |
| blogan | and in the db it can remain on the entities, the api just doesn't show it in the entities | 16:48 |
| blogan | thats going to look messy but i can go for that | 16:49 |
| dougwig | ok, gotta move us along now. blogan will take this up on the ML. | 16:50 |
| xgerman | well, ML | 16:50 |
| dougwig | #topic Add constraint that V1 and V2 cannot be enabled at the same time | 16:50 |
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| dougwig | another one for blogan! | 16:50 |
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| blogan | this came up with the client ctracey was writing and I believe we all agreed that we can put that constraint in, just wanted to bring it up if anyone disagrees with it | 16:51 |
| jorgem | Hmm... | 16:51 |
| jorgem | so this hits on the topic of versioning going forward | 16:51 |
| jorgem | what are the plans there? | 16:51 |
| ptoohill | What would you need v1 for if v2 is enabled? | 16:51 |
| dougwig | i hate it as unnecessary. it came up because some folks wanted to overload the CLI/api endpoints between v1/v2. i think i got out-voted. | 16:51 |
| jorgem | For example, are we going to be able to host multiple versions, deprecate, etc.? | 16:51 |
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| xgerman | at one point we have to... | 16:52 |
| rm_work | can we do versioning in our URL now? | 16:52 |
| blogan | jorgem that will go into the neutron microversioning discussion, which is in its infancy but will probably follow the nova model which i dont fully understand | 16:52 |
| dougwig | ptoohill: operationally, I'm not sure you would. it's handy from a dev perspective. might also make lazy upgrades a possibility, though i'm not sure we have to worry about upgrades. | 16:52 |
| rm_work | if we can version in our URL, it doesn't matter, the client can just take a VERSION setting (just like keystone, nova, etc) | 16:52 |
| blogan | rm_work: no, still beholden to neutron's, unless we did neutron.com/v2.0/lbaas/v2.0 | 16:53 |
| rm_work | blogan: hmm, i don't mind that TOO much | 16:53 |
| rm_work | it's not ideal... | 16:53 |
| xgerman | microversions don't need the URL - they do so with the ACCEPT header | 16:53 |
| rm_work | ok, so, that | 16:53 |
| rm_work | header versioning | 16:53 |
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| blogan | ah | 16:53 |
| rm_work | win? | 16:53 |
| blogan | id still like to know how they version all their models and api entities | 16:54 |
| blogan | in code | 16:54 |
| rm_work | ugh | 16:54 |
| rm_work | table-name prepend? | 16:54 |
| rm_work | v1_ | 16:54 |
| rm_work | v2_ ? | 16:54 |
| rm_work | lol | 16:54 |
| * blogan barfs of rm_work | 16:54 | |
| blogan | *on | 16:54 |
| xgerman | nova also has sub_modules ewith their own verisons | 16:54 |
| xgerman | but again I don't know how that works | 16:55 |
| rm_work | yeah that's how web-shit always did it in the past (back when everyone coding for the web hated their lives -- oh wait that hasn't changed much) | 16:55 |
| blogan | well lets tackle what we need to right now | 16:55 |
| dougwig | i think we're too far along to stop and micro-version v2. unless someone disagrees with that, can we pull back to v1/v2 simultaneous or not? | 16:55 |
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| xgerman | we should go v2 only | 16:55 |
| ptoohill | +1 | 16:55 |
| blogan | dougwig: thats honestly going to be up to the neutron code | 16:55 |
| sballe__ | +1 | 16:55 |
| rm_work | i feel like every time this comes up we ask "does anyone actually run v1?" <_< | 16:56 |
| blogan | im all for v1 and v2 being mutually exclusive | 16:56 |
| ptoohill | ^^ It would be nice if we could get hold of those magical unicorns that do run it and talk with them | 16:56 |
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| dougwig | i just pinged kevin to ask if neutron will require it. i doubt that it would, as existing extensions would all break. | 16:56 |
| dougwig | ptoohill: what questions would you like to ask? | 16:57 |
| rm_work | "do you care about running v1 and v2 at the same time?" | 16:57 |
| rm_work | for starters | 16:57 |
| ptoohill | oh, you are magical unicorn??? | 16:57 |
| ptoohill | but yea, that | 16:57 |
| dougwig | i know many unicorns. | 16:57 |
| dougwig | none of them would care. | 16:57 |
| ptoohill | Would like to hear their opinion on that, | 16:58 |
| ptoohill | well that settles that i suppose | 16:58 |
| ptoohill | :P | 16:58 |
| rm_work | k, well, that's an easy answer then | 16:58 |
| dougwig | or rather, i'm sure they'd be fine running it on separate hosts. | 16:58 |
| rm_work | ^^ holy shit this | 16:58 |
| rm_work | who would even want to run it all on the same host <_< | 16:58 |
| rm_work | and then, it doesn't matter at all | 16:58 |
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| rm_work | lbaas.myhost.com + v2.lbaas.myhost.com | 16:59 |
| rm_work | done | 16:59 |
| jorgem | eek | 16:59 |
| blogan | well its the api node that decides which version to run | 17:00 |
| blogan | or which plugin to run | 17:00 |
| dougwig | yeah, that's what i'm pondering. | 17:00 |
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| blogan | so usually you just have one consistent api, two hosts for the api | 17:00 |
| rm_work | ugh and neutron has to be our API host? | 17:00 |
| dougwig | db tables need stay separate. | 17:00 |
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| dougwig | rm_work: for kilo, yes. | 17:00 |
| blogan | for neutron-lbaas, for now yes | 17:00 |
| rm_work | so they'd need different neutron hosts of the same version, for two different lbaas versions >_< bah | 17:01 |
| blogan | which is what we had | 17:01 |
| dougwig | yeah, i'm not liking that much. different agent nodes, fine. but then we get back to needing separate CLI commands. | 17:01 |
| blogan | well what we had when we allowed both versoin to be running | 17:01 |
| blogan | i think we're in a consensus, other than dougwigs reservations | 17:02 |
| dougwig | maybe if we use a similar CLI namespace, but require an environment variable if they want to access v1 while v2 is loaded? | 17:02 |
| dougwig | i can take my questions offline. | 17:02 |
| dougwig | oops, we're over. | 17:02 |
| dougwig | thanks and by folks. | 17:02 |
| ptoohill | Ill work on the agent-ified driver BTW dougwig, forgot to respond earlier. | 17:02 |
| dougwig | ptoohill: awesome, thanks. | 17:02 |
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| dougwig | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| sballe__ | bye | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 17:02:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-01-20-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-01-20-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-01-20-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
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