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jokke_ | o/ | 15:00 |
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cpallares | o/ | 15:00 |
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nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 15:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 11 15:02:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
kragniz | o/ | 15:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 15:02 |
pennerc | o/ | 15:02 |
nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
nikhil_k | #topic Mini-summit details | 15:02 |
mclaren | \o | 15:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Mini-summit details (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:02 | |
nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-mid-cycle-meetup | 15:02 |
nikhil_k | #info Glance mid-cycle meetup for Kilo will be at the VMware office in Palo Alto on Jan 27, 28 parallel to Nova in a separate room for 32 | 15:03 |
nikhil_k | Please indicate your tentative/planned participation for the same in the next couple weeks or so | 15:04 |
flaper87 | FWIW, we should try to avoid organizing meetups in the west-coast | 15:04 |
flaper87 | it's way too expensive for a 2 days mini-conf | 15:04 |
flaper87 | and this doesn't mean I'm not thankful for the location | 15:04 |
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flaper87 | and the organization | 15:04 |
jokke_ | flaper87: next one is at West-Coast as well, but much closer (hopefully) ;) | 15:04 |
nikhil_k | that will help the event planners to conduct the event smoothly | 15:04 |
zhiyan | hi (sorry for late) | 15:05 |
nikhil_k | the intent of the email to the active developers was to figure out if it would work out or not | 15:05 |
nikhil_k | unfortunately, scheduling is difficult for larger groups | 15:05 |
nikhil_k | I'd preferred to have this on east coast however, the majority said otherwise | 15:06 |
flaper87 | jokke_: :P | 15:06 |
nikhil_k | so, we will just go with it for now | 15:06 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think the joint meetup with Nova was the big driver ... inconveniences | 15:07 |
flaper87 | yup, ok. | 15:07 |
nikhil_k | #info Please add topics to be discussed at the mid-cycle meetup to the etherpad | 15:07 |
flaper87 | can we make sure we have a way to attend remotely ? | 15:07 |
nikhil_k | we can try | 15:07 |
nikhil_k | #action ask event planner to arrange for remote participation | 15:07 |
nikhil_k | #topic k1 | 15:08 |
*** openstack changes topic to "k1 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:08 | |
zhiyan | i'd like to help try it from remote if needed | 15:08 |
cpallares | me too | 15:08 |
nikhil_k | ok, have created another topic in the etherpad for remote participation | 15:09 |
nikhil_k | we can try to schedule the topics accroding to the interest and timezone | 15:09 |
nikhil_k | please add the info | 15:09 |
nikhil_k | #info k1 to be cut between Dec 16 and Dec 18 | 15:09 |
* flaper87 will do that | 15:09 | |
nikhil_k | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/kilo-1 | 15:10 |
* flaper87 will focus on reviews | 15:10 | |
flaper87 | we're not doing that bad except for the review backlog | 15:10 |
flaper87 | at least patches are up | 15:10 |
nikhil_k | #info cores and the drivers please try to focus reviews on the k1 BPs/bugs | 15:10 |
nikhil_k | #action nikhil_k , rosmaita and arnaud : to review and approve the necessary specs to land the code | 15:11 |
nikhil_k | we can try to get 2-3 BPs if not all | 15:11 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k: we should also start doing that for k-2 specs too | 15:11 |
nikhil_k | have re-prioritized the BPs so that we can forcus on a few | 15:12 |
nikhil_k | please let me know if you've concerns | 15:12 |
nikhil_k | flaper87: sure thing. The plan is to approve all the kilo specs in the next 3 weeks | 15:12 |
nikhil_k | that way the scheduling and approval is not much of a problem | 15:13 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k: I'll help with that | 15:13 |
nikhil_k | sounds good. | 15:13 |
nikhil_k | #info everyone: please try to review the specs | 15:13 |
* nikhil_k waits to see if there are any more concerns | 15:14 | |
* flaper87 sips coffee | 15:14 | |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: all of the ones left targeting for k1 are something that are ready to land in time? | 15:14 |
nikhil_k | that is the hope | 15:15 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: or is there panic expected? :P | 15:15 |
nikhil_k | the most ready 2-3 BPs should be able to land | 15:15 |
nikhil_k | no panic, we will do this smoothly | 15:15 |
nikhil_k | and skip k1 if not possible | 15:15 |
nikhil_k | and come up with a more proactive plan for k2 | 15:16 |
jokke_ | ++ | 15:16 |
zhiyan | > "The plan is to approve all the kilo specs in the next 3 weeks" ,really like a good idea | 15:16 |
flaper87 | :P | 15:16 |
nikhil_k | next up.... | 15:16 |
nikhil_k | #topic stable maint group for Glance | 15:16 |
*** openstack changes topic to "stable maint group for Glance (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:16 | |
nikhil_k | so, there is a plan to create the group if it's not already created | 15:17 |
nikhil_k | #action nikhil to check the status | 15:17 |
nikhil_k | #info jokke_ and nikhil_k are in the stable maint group atm | 15:17 |
flaper87 | I'm in the global openstack stable-maint group, I would love to keep doing this for glance | 15:17 |
nikhil_k | we will have more people once things are finalized | 15:17 |
nikhil_k | flaper87: sg | 15:18 |
flaper87 | in other words, I've already -2 powers on all those patches :P | 15:18 |
nikhil_k | we will undoubtedly benefit from your expertise | 15:18 |
cpallares | lol | 15:18 |
nikhil_k | that basically solves the confusion about what's happening to the stable/incehouse etc PRs | 15:19 |
jokke_ | flaper87: that means no breaking client nor glance_store until we get stable out of those as well :P | 15:19 |
nikhil_k | contact the stable team if you think that the patch can land | 15:19 |
nikhil_k | stable team will collaborate with you to see if the patch fits the criterion or if exception can be granted | 15:19 |
* flaper87 breaks nothing | 15:19 | |
* nikhil_k waits | 15:20 | |
* jokke_ hides | 15:20 | |
* flaper87 scares jokke_ | 15:20 | |
nikhil_k | #topic fast-track after k1 | 15:21 |
*** openstack changes topic to "fast-track after k1 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:21 | |
nikhil_k | it's not a possibility with the current setup in launchpad | 15:21 |
nikhil_k | so, if anyone has energy to do this please come up with a creative idea | 15:21 |
jokke_ | could you define fast track in the context? | 15:22 |
nikhil_k | else my plan is to prioritize the specs/BPs and send emails to the respective groups | 15:22 |
nikhil_k | okay, so the terminology is a bit confusing | 15:22 |
nikhil_k | fast-track == a small focused sprint like week or two. focus around important BPs/bugs that did not land in k1 and can merge soon-ish | 15:23 |
* nikhil_k waits | 15:23 | |
flaper87 | nikhil_k: I'd probably do that closer to the end of k-2 | 15:23 |
jokke_ | ah | 15:23 |
flaper87 | just to know if we need to fast-track k-2 bps | 15:24 |
flaper87 | before the FF | 15:24 |
nikhil_k | we need to flaper87 | 15:24 |
nikhil_k | as we are gunna have a informal freeze 2 weeks after k2 | 15:24 |
kragniz | how formal will this informal be? | 15:24 |
zhiyan | can we define some sub/small milestone in LP, and set suitable bug to it? (iiuc the terminology) | 15:24 |
flaper87 | kk | 15:25 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: the weird thing is it will create confusion for other projects or openstack as a whole | 15:25 |
nikhil_k | so we cannot do this in LP | 15:25 |
nikhil_k | core members need to be vigilant and communicate on the patch sets accordingly | 15:26 |
jokke_ | ah LP <3 | 15:26 |
flaper87 | jokke_: >.> | 15:26 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: if so, seems to maintain a list in a etherplad is a idea? | 15:26 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: that sounds like a good idea | 15:26 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k: so auto -2 on everything and then we look exceptions? :P | 15:26 |
nikhil_k | we will see closer to the freeze | 15:26 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: can we list security related bug into it? | 15:26 |
nikhil_k | kragniz: pretty formally informal | 15:26 |
zhiyan | ok, should be ok, due to LP right | 15:27 |
nikhil_k | (and not informally formal) | 15:27 |
kragniz | nikhil_k: makes sense :P | 15:27 |
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nikhil_k | hush | 15:27 |
* nikhil_k glad | 15:27 | |
flaper87 | +1 | 15:27 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: hmm, not sure | 15:27 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: security bugs has a way to get exceptions so that does not seem necessary | 15:28 |
zhiyan | actually, i think it's helpful for developer, a workitem list in near term, to me at least | 15:28 |
nikhil_k | let's keep them separate | 15:28 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: abs | 15:28 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: ok, not sure | 15:28 |
nikhil_k | in the next week or so, am planning to come up with specs/BPs, bugs and core-to-specs mapping | 15:28 |
nikhil_k | as well as a etherpad for the convenience | 15:29 |
nikhil_k | #topic Client inconsistencies | 15:29 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Client inconsistencies (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:29 | |
* jokke_ has been using trello now for 3 days and would vote for that over etherpad | 15:29 | |
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kragniz | +1 for trello | 15:30 |
nikhil_k | jokke_: kragniz sure | 15:30 |
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nikhil_k | not sure who proposed this topic | 15:30 |
jokke_ | o/ | 15:30 |
flaper87 | o/ | 15:30 |
flaper87 | jokke_: introduce your concern, I'll go after you | 15:31 |
nikhil_k | so the API is not returning items and the client does | 15:32 |
* nikhil_k not like | 15:32 | |
jokke_ | ok, so first step was to get our Image API server returning None valued fields which is fine, now latest proposal from flaper87 was to get the client generating those None fields for the API Servers that does not return them | 15:32 |
flaper87 | So, the API now returns None fields | 15:33 |
mclaren | nit: the server returns null rather than None I think | 15:33 |
flaper87 | this will require us to bump the server API version | 15:33 |
jokke_ | I see the pain where this is coming from, but IMHO it's just fundamentally wrong that we assume and generate image data in the client just to be consistent with the new API functionality | 15:33 |
nikhil_k | ah ha | 15:33 |
flaper87 | it returns null which is None | 15:33 |
flaper87 | wait | 15:33 |
flaper87 | we're not assuming anything, we *know* for sure which fields are not being returned because they are None | 15:34 |
flaper87 | That's what the list of fields in that patch is for | 15:34 |
flaper87 | the reason I'm doing this is because I think adding those fields to the "auto-generated" image object is far better than having inconsistent image objects | 15:34 |
flaper87 | The patch adds a forward-compatible layer for consumers of glanceclient to the yet-to-be-released glance v2.3 | 15:35 |
jokke_ | flaper87: we are assuming as the server did not return them, we do not know if there was a bug and a field missing etc. We just assume that it's None because it was not returned | 15:35 |
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jokke_ | So wanted to get this discussion for wider audience to get the consensus | 15:36 |
* nikhil_k agrees with jokke_ | 15:36 | |
flaper87 | The patch is backwards compatible and it won't break client's code unless they rely on the field not being there | 15:36 |
mclaren | can you give an example of real world pain with the current behaviour? | 15:36 |
flaper87 | mclaren: nova | 15:36 |
flaper87 | there's a whole bunch of utility functions to *add* those fields | 15:37 |
flaper87 | because in a normal environment you expect them to be there | 15:37 |
flaper87 | and the fact the server didn't return those is *wrong* | 15:37 |
flaper87 | I avoided all kind of magic to make this patch behavior predictable | 15:37 |
mclaren | Any reason nova can't do a image.get('prop')? | 15:38 |
mclaren | to handle old behaviour (which it needs to do I think) as well as newer behaviour? | 15:38 |
flaper87 | that's just yet-another-workaround on users of glanceclient | 15:39 |
flaper87 | for something that is wrong in glanceclient | 15:39 |
flaper87 | Also, if you do .get('prop') you don't know if the prop is None or missing | 15:39 |
mclaren | same if you auto fill it in, right? | 15:40 |
flaper87 | we'd basically be moving the "assumption" to the consumer of the library | 15:40 |
nikhil_k | why can't this be handled in the wrapper in nova? | 15:40 |
flaper87 | mclaren: no because we *control* the client | 15:40 |
mclaren | but nova dont' | 15:40 |
flaper87 | we know what fields can be None in the server | 15:40 |
flaper87 | mclaren: control as in we develop it | 15:40 |
jokke_ | flaper87: we do not move it there, we keep it there as they have taken the responsibility to assume so until now as we have never returned those fields, right? | 15:40 |
flaper87 | users of the library shouldn't care on whether a field is missing because it's None in the server | 15:40 |
nikhil_k | we cannot assume everyone using the server is using the client | 15:41 |
flaper87 | jokke_: but that's wrong | 15:41 |
mclaren | I think nova populate other properties, like arch, which may or may not be present, we don't control those | 15:41 |
flaper87 | the whole point if to fix those things we've pushed to glanceclient's users | 15:41 |
nikhil_k | glanceclient is a tool to use glance | 15:42 |
nikhil_k | and not something that is necessary to use it | 15:42 |
* flaper87 is not sure if nikhil_k last sentence is in favor or against the proposed patch | 15:42 | |
flaper87 | :P | 15:42 |
kragniz | nikhil_k: but it should make using glance easy, right? | 15:42 |
flaper87 | I think bringing consistency to the client is something that we should do | 15:43 |
jokke_ | kragniz: I would not open that can of worms :P | 15:43 |
nikhil_k | kragniz: without breaking the response | 15:43 |
kragniz | jokke_: :P | 15:43 |
nikhil_k | this may affect users who are using the client | 15:43 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k: the patch is not breaking the response, fWIW | 15:43 |
jokke_ | flaper87: the client is consistent with the server as it should be | 15:43 |
flaper87 | jokke_: yes but it is inconsistent in the way it interacts with the user | 15:44 |
flaper87 | which one do we value more ? | 15:44 |
jokke_ | flaper87: well we can revert the returning None and consistently not return them from client ;P | 15:44 |
flaper87 | that adds inconsistent responses | 15:45 |
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flaper87 | we're still breaking consistency for the user | 15:45 |
flaper87 | therfore we're adding frustrations to the consumer of the library | 15:45 |
mclaren | returning null in v2 is inconsistent with v1 which doesn't return the field at all! | 15:45 |
flaper87 | yeah but we can't change v1 anymore | 15:46 |
flaper87 | this is about making our currently supported version consistent | 15:46 |
nikhil_k | flaper87: can we see the nova patch? | 15:47 |
flaper87 | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/image/glance.py#L533-L575 | 15:47 |
flaper87 | that's just one part | 15:48 |
flaper87 | there are more things related to this in that same module | 15:48 |
nikhil_k | flaper87: well , am curious what approach is planned in nova | 15:48 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k: I want to get rid of that function, entirely | 15:49 |
nikhil_k | understandably there are a lot things in the nova.image module which can be reduced | 15:49 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k: you'd be surprised that most of those things exist because we are not consistent | 15:49 |
flaper87 | and we've broken things for them | 15:49 |
flaper87 | I'm working on removing glance.py entirely | 15:49 |
flaper87 | but I've been forced to copy many of those ugly functions because *we* have a client that doesn't always work as expected | 15:50 |
flaper87 | lets forget about the differences between v1 and v2, that's fine | 15:50 |
flaper87 | major versions, blah blah... | 15:50 |
zhiyan | seems that function need to be there anyway, due to it works for v1 as well... | 15:50 |
flaper87 | but seriously, there are other parts that could be definitely better | 15:50 |
mclaren | that nova function creates a dict from a warlock object | 15:50 |
flaper87 | zhiyan: it being needed for v1 is very different than it needed for both | 15:51 |
mclaren | (in the case of v2) | 15:51 |
flaper87 | we've 10 mins left, I'd really love to get this patch in the next glanceclient release. | 15:51 |
flaper87 | if folks think it shouldn't be there, fine. | 15:52 |
nikhil_k | ok, so this seems to be eveloving into a bigger conversation | 15:52 |
flaper87 | but lets decide so I can move ahead and I guess I'll copy that code | 15:52 |
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nikhil_k | flaper87: lets avoid it for now | 15:52 |
nikhil_k | #topic Glance client release | 15:52 |
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zhiyan | anyway, it will be ugly until v1 get deprecated. | 15:53 |
flaper87 | zhiyan: sure but at least I can start cleaning up the v2 path | 15:53 |
nikhil_k | please ping, kragniz flaper87 jokke_ sigmavirus24_awa or nikhil_k if you would like to get your patch in a client release | 15:53 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k: can we please add comments and votes on the review? | 15:53 |
mclaren | zhiyan: +1 | 15:53 |
nikhil_k | #info ping kragniz flaper87 jokke_ sigmavirus24_awa or nikhil_k if you would like to get your patch in a client release | 15:54 |
nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 15:54 |
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kragniz | nikhil_k: are you still planning on doing the client release today? | 15:54 |
zhiyan | quick one: | 15:54 |
kragniz | or push it back more | 15:54 |
nikhil_k | oh, glad your reminder kragniz | 15:54 |
nikhil_k | would like to release the client today | 15:54 |
nikhil_k | so that we are not releasing it on Friday unless people are okay waiting until Monday | 15:55 |
nikhil_k | reminded* | 15:55 |
kragniz | okay | 15:55 |
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zhiyan | do we have a glance trello account? i can't open https://trello.com/b/GFXMXxsP/openstack-glance | 15:55 |
jokke_ | I think TravT_ is waiting quite eagerly for the new client to fix horizon stuff, no? | 15:56 |
nikhil_k | nope | 15:56 |
nikhil_k | it's private | 15:56 |
kragniz | zhiyan: you need to be invited | 15:56 |
nikhil_k | to avoid chaos | 15:56 |
nikhil_k | however, if you are willing to maintain it | 15:56 |
jokke_ | so to get that to k1, I'd vote to ship client out today | 15:56 |
TravT_ | jokke_: yeah, I can't push on horizon until we get that patch through | 15:56 |
nikhil_k | then you could be invited | 15:56 |
TravT_ | actually devstack is broken right now for v2 | 15:57 |
TravT_ | until the client is released | 15:57 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: if we going to use trello to maintain near term workitem as we mentioned above, i need to join it, if we like to go that way instead of etherpad | 15:57 |
jokke_ | so I think everything else but the PS discussed above has landed to client from the list | 15:59 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: you can join for sure using your user/pass combination. then you can be invited into a trello board | 15:59 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: let's see how things go.. | 15:59 |
jokke_ | zhiyan: just ping nikhil with your trello username | 15:59 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: Zhi Yan Liu | 15:59 |
flaper87 | zhiyan: you need to provide the email | 16:00 |
flaper87 | the one you used for your trello account | 16:00 |
nikhil_k | TravT_: yeah, we can't risk breaking rest of things on Friday . So, if we get the patches ready today we will go ahead with the release | 16:00 |
jokke_ | time | 16:00 |
jokke_ | can we continue the client release on #openstack-glance for a min? | 16:00 |
TravT_ | nikhil_k: why not? i always release code on a Friday night and then go home for the weekend. ;) | 16:00 |
nikhil_k | zhiyan: you'r added | 16:00 |
nikhil_k | TravT_: heh, perfect! | 16:00 |
zhiyan | nikhil_k: thanks | 16:00 |
nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 16:01 |
nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 11 16:01:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
mclaren | thanks! | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-12-11-15.02.html | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-12-11-15.02.txt | 16:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-12-11-15.02.log.html | 16:01 |
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TravT_ | funny. i thought I was early to the meeting. | 16:01 |
TravT_ | need to update my calendar | 16:01 |
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