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| jeremyfreudberg | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 11 14:00:21 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeremyfreudberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:00 |
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| tosky | o/ | 14:00 |
| tosky | (a bit busy as usual) | 14:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | no worries | 14:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic action items | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | (trying a new meeting structure) | 14:02 |
| jeremyfreudberg | respond to stable/train z release reviews https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:train-stable+message:sahara+-message:puppet | 14:02 |
| tosky | I missed those | 14:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky: do you need anything from me? perhaps a review for native zuulv3 grenade on stable/ussuri? | 14:05 |
| tosky | that one for sure | 14:05 |
| tosky | we also have a pending set of cleanup reviews (dependencies) from other people | 14:05 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | yeah | 14:05 |
| jeremyfreudberg | okay, that's really it from me for today | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | alright, let's close | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | thanks all | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #endmeeting | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:12 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 11 14:12:53 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-06-11-14.00.html | 14:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-06-11-14.00.txt | 14:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-06-11-14.00.log.html | 14:12 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 11 16:00:05 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:00 |
| artom | o/ | 16:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 16:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 16:01 |
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| gmann | o/ | 16:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 16:02 |
| gibi | lets get started | 16:02 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:02 | |
| gibi | no critical bug | 16:02 |
| gibi | #link 22 new untriaged bugs (+2 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:02 |
| gibi | at some point we reached 16 new untriaged during last week | 16:02 |
| gibi | so that +2 is a bit misleading | 16:03 |
| gibi | :) | 16:03 |
| gibi | anyhow bugtriage is always appreciated | 16:03 |
| gibi | any bug we need to mention here? | 16:03 |
| gibi | #topic Runways | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Runways (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:04 | |
| gibi | welcome to our new resident meeting topic | 16:04 |
| gibi | Runway etherpad is up for Victoria #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-runways-victoria | 16:04 |
| gibi | we have 3 open runway slots | 16:05 |
| gibi | There is one item in the queue: #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/use-pcpu-and-vcpu-in-one-instance+status:open | 16:05 |
| dansmith | so, I would like my glance store thing to be in the queue, | 16:05 |
| dansmith | but I'm still working on the devstack test, | 16:05 |
| dansmith | and it turns out that the glance support for testing this in devstack requires work | 16:05 |
| dansmith | I've tested it locally a lot, but I'm working with them to get their stuff fixed so we can run that config | 16:06 |
| gmann | dansmith: for file store it was done | 16:06 |
| dansmith | gmann: I dunno what that means | 16:06 |
| gibi | dansmith: if you feel that the non-tempest patches are ready then we can take those in to the queue | 16:06 |
| gmann | dansmith: this one cover some flag - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/689104/ | 16:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | gmann: it can create multiple files stores but the image import workflow does not work. | 16:07 |
| gmann | we have not added test yet i think. | 16:07 |
| dansmith | gibi: yeah the nova patches are ready, IMHO | 16:07 |
| dansmith | gmann: yeah that's not really related to what I'm doing | 16:07 |
| dansmith | gibi: starts here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731550/2 | 16:08 |
| dansmith | it's really just two real patches in nova, | 16:08 |
| gibi | dansmith: cool. lets queue them. Will you have time in the next two weeks to iterate on those patches if there is review? | 16:08 |
| dansmith | then a doc patch I'm waiting for some input/help with, but that could go later at another time and then the devstack test at the end once I get it working | 16:08 |
| dansmith | gibi: I'm out tomorrow but next week yes | 16:09 |
| gibi | I think that works | 16:09 |
| artom | All of RH is out tomorrow, FWIW | 16:10 |
| dansmith | uep | 16:10 |
| bauzas | already said to our Great Leader ;) | 16:10 |
| gibi | are there other willing to review the dansmith patches if I put then in a runway slot? | 16:10 |
| gibi | s/other/others/ | 16:10 |
| bauzas | I could | 16:11 |
| gibi | cool | 16:11 |
| bauzas | => next week tho | 16:11 |
| gibi | ack | 16:11 |
| bauzas | IIUC, that's the spec we merged last release ? | 16:11 |
| gibi | stephenfin also confirmed that the hi will have time to iterate on the patches in use-pcpu-and-vcpu-in-one-instance next week | 16:11 |
| dansmith | glance does not test the configuration we need at all, | 16:11 |
| dansmith | so this will also increase coverage in that area if I can get the test working | 16:12 |
| dansmith | bauzas: no, merged this release | 16:12 |
| bauzas | okay, will get the context | 16:12 |
| gibi | so use-pcpu-and-vcpu-in-one-instance could go in a runway slot to if there are people willing to review | 16:13 |
| gibi | to be precise the first 7ish patch of that series are ready for a slot | 16:13 |
| gibi | if nobody jumps on this then I will look at it next week | 16:14 |
| gibi | #action gibi to put the glance multistore patches to runway slot | 16:14 |
| artom | We should probably update the topic in the main channel with the correct runways link | 16:15 |
| artom | It's still saying ussuri | 16:15 |
| gibi | #action gibi to put use-pcpu-and-vcpu-in-one-instance to a runway slot | 16:15 |
| gibi | artom: good point | 16:15 |
| gibi | I'm wondering If the bot would op me to change the topic | 16:15 |
| bauzas | you need +o | 16:16 |
| gibi | anyhow I will check it after the meeting | 16:16 |
| gibi | #action gibi to make sure that the #openstack-nova channel topic is up to date | 16:16 |
| gibi | any other runway related thing to discuss? | 16:17 |
| dansmith | gibi: I put it in the queue with linkes, | 16:17 |
| dansmith | so you can move that to queue if/when ready | 16:17 |
| gibi | dansmith: thanks! | 16:17 |
| gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:18 | |
| gibi | Victoria Milestone 1 is next week. | 16:18 |
| gibi | We have ~5 open specs #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs+status:open | 16:18 |
| gibi | Do we want / need a spec review day next week? | 16:18 |
| artom | That's a *massive* drop | 16:19 |
| artom | I'm trying to remember if we (RH) have anything outstanding we want to propose | 16:19 |
| artom | But - brainstorming here - we could try using some of that bandwidth that's theoretically freed to work on bugs/tech debt | 16:20 |
| gibi | artom: no rush, we did not do spec freeze until M2 | 16:20 |
| gibi | I mean we will not do spec freeze | 16:20 |
| gibi | until M2 | 16:20 |
| dansmith | we've already merged some specs, | 16:20 |
| gibi | artom: also we have a list of already approved bp | 16:20 |
| dansmith | those are just the open ones right? | 16:21 |
| gibi | dansmith: yes those are just the open ones | 16:21 |
| artom | Fair - no point in rushing anything | 16:21 |
| gibi | here are the approved bps https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/victoria | 16:21 |
| dansmith | didn't we only merge like 15 specs of work last cycle or something? I think we're probably fine :) | 16:21 |
| gibi | dansmith: we merged 20 out of 30 approved bps | 16:21 |
| gibi | but some was specless | 16:22 |
| dansmith | yeah I meant specs | 16:22 |
| dansmith | but anyway, we're not far off in terms of approved-to-merged for where we are in the cycle | 16:22 |
| gibi | yeah, we don't need lot more work to fill our bw | 16:23 |
| gibi | anyhow based on the reactions I don't see the need for a spec review day next week | 16:23 |
| bauzas | anyone can review | 16:24 |
| gibi | sure, anyone anytime :) | 16:24 |
| gibi | any other thing to discuss about the V release? | 16:25 |
| gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Branches (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:26 | |
| gibi | There is a stable/train release proposed https://review.opendev.org/#/c/734952 | 16:26 |
| gibi | Is there anything we should wait for before release the next train point release? | 16:26 |
| bauzas | haven't seen the stable/train branch for a while | 16:27 |
| bauzas | do we need to review some changes ? | 16:27 |
| gibi | there are some open patches but also there is good content in the proposed stable/train release so I'm OK to pull the trigger on it | 16:27 |
| gibi | if you have anything important that is open in stable/train then tell me and we can wait for it to land | 16:28 |
| elod | there are 2 bugfix close to +W, but maybe we don't need to wait for them | 16:28 |
| gibi | I don't see any objection and we can always release another stable/train. so I will +1 the release patch after the meeting | 16:29 |
| elod | +1 | 16:29 |
| gibi | any other stable branch related topic we need to talk about? | 16:29 |
| elod | i don't see such | 16:30 |
| gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:31 | |
| gibi | API (gmann) | 16:31 |
| gmann | nothing much to share today. i need to update healthcheck things as per what we discussed in PTG. i think i will next week | 16:31 |
| gibi | cool thanks | 16:32 |
| gibi | Libvirt (bauzas) | 16:32 |
| gmann | and policy side, we have oslo spec to list all we need to do on oslo side | 16:32 |
| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-libvirt-subteam | 16:32 |
| bauzas | nothing this week to relatez | 16:32 |
| bauzas | relate* | 16:32 |
| gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:33 | |
| gibi | nothing on the agenda | 16:33 |
| gibi | does anybody has anything to raise? | 16:33 |
| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:34 | |
| gibi | (bauzas): Seeking approval for specless bp #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/offline-reshape-tool | 16:34 |
| bauzas | honestly, I'm torn | 16:34 |
| bauzas | we discussed it at the PTG | 16:34 |
| dansmith | seriously? | 16:34 |
| bauzas | and I think we have a direction | 16:34 |
| bauzas | but do we need a spec ? | 16:35 |
| bauzas | we already have https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/stein/approved/reshape-provider-tree.html#offline-upgrade-script | 16:35 |
| dansmith | we did, but surely seems like a spec is warranted just to codify what we discussed and briefly noted in an etherpad into a coherent plan for posterity to me | 16:35 |
| dansmith | maybe it's just me | 16:35 |
| bauzas | the concern from sean-k-mooney was about compute nodes not being able to call the DB because of some network | 16:35 |
| artom | How we're going to do that with the virt-driver offline makes no sense to me, so I'd like to read a spec :) | 16:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | bauzas: actully i was concerned that we would require db acess for the tool to work when exectued | 16:36 |
| bauzas | so we would have to explain how to use the (possible) two clients | 16:36 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: we would have to, AFAIK | 16:36 |
| gibi | bauzas: let's have a spec, and you can copy as many thing from reshape-provider-tree.html#offline-upgrade-script as you can reuse | 16:36 |
| bauzas | cool, will do as it's a consensus | 16:37 |
| bauzas | thanks | 16:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: well i mean copleing it so it required vs spliting into two commands | 16:37 |
| dansmith | coupling? | 16:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: e.g. one command ran on the compute to figure out what to reshape and a second run with db access using the outpu of the first | 16:38 |
| dansmith | meaning break the "gather data" from the "apply changes" piece like we discussed for the cross-project case I guess? yeah | 16:38 |
| dansmith | ack | 16:38 |
| gibi | next point (we have couple of bps on the agenda) | 16:38 |
| dansmith | sounds like spec material indeed :) | 16:38 |
| gibi | Seeking approval for specless bp #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cyborg-rebuild-and-evacuate | 16:38 |
| gibi | it already has the code proposed | 16:38 |
| gibi | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/715326/ | 16:38 |
| dansmith | I assume this is just feature fleshing-outing, and that there's nothing major that needs to change because of cyborg? | 16:39 |
| dansmith | if so, then I'm okay with that being specless since it should be straightforwardf | 16:39 |
| gibi | I have the same assumption, and I agree to approve it as specless | 16:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | the rebuild and evecauate is the patch i did at the end of the cycle, so it change the rpc to pass the arq uuids but that about it | 16:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | the rest is pretty simple | 16:40 |
| dansmith | ack | 16:40 |
| gibi | I don't see any objection | 16:40 |
| gibi | #action gibi to approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cyborg-rebuild-and-evacuate | 16:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | the other operations shelve,suspend and resize are similer in scope and will be propsoed sepereatly | 16:40 |
| gibi | next | 16:40 |
| gibi | Seeking approval for specless bp #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cyborg-shelve-and-unshelve | 16:40 |
| dansmith | ack | 16:41 |
| gibi | there are WIP patches up | 16:41 |
| gibi | any objection? | 16:41 |
| dansmith | not from me | 16:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya the summary is at shelve offload, delete arqs and release the device, on unshelve claim it again via new arqs like fresh spawn | 16:42 |
| dansmith | oh, hmm | 16:42 |
| dansmith | didn't think about that | 16:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | the rest of shelve already works | 16:42 |
| dansmith | if it roughly follows the same as spawn though then probably okay | 16:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya it just does not pass the request to placemnet or claim the device on unshelve today | 16:43 |
| dansmith | okay well, I'll have to look at the code, | 16:43 |
| gibi | OK, don't see any objection to approve the bp | 16:43 |
| dansmith | and may change my mind if it looks too hairy, but okay for the moment to be specless | 16:43 |
| gibi | we can continue the discussion in the code review | 16:43 |
| gibi | cool | 16:44 |
| gibi | next | 16:44 |
| gibi | (gibi): I will be on PTO between 27th of July and 3rd of August (and between Aug 10 - 24). 30th of July is Milestone 2 and spec freeze, so I would need a stand-in handling the freeze during that week. | 16:44 |
| dansmith | can we wait until closer to that time to find a volunteer? | 16:44 |
| dansmith | plans are kinda up in the air for a lot of people right now | 16:45 |
| gibi | sure, I wanted to give a heads up | 16:45 |
| * dansmith nods | 16:45 | |
| gibi | cool | 16:45 |
| gibi | next | 16:45 |
| gibi | (stephenfin): Can we make the 'cherry-picked from' line in backports preferred instead of mandatory? They're definitely nice to have, but they incur pain for larger backports consisting of multiple patches per branch (change one patch higher up and you invalid all lower backports). Maybe use Gerrit's model (add -x for first backport since it's landed and ignore for anything older) | 16:45 |
| dansmith | cripes too many things | 16:45 |
| gibi | some discussion about it on IRC: #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2020-06-10.log.html#t2020-06-10T15:02:18 | 16:45 |
| dansmith | assuming that irc link includes my -1 vote | 16:45 |
| gibi | dansmith: it does | 16:45 |
| artom | Yeah, -1 from me too | 16:46 |
| artom | Yeah, they're a pain, but it keeps things patient and organized | 16:46 |
| dansmith | agree | 16:46 |
| gibi | I also does not feel the pain for using git cherry-pick -x but I do follow the backport to N-1 when it merged to N policy | 16:46 |
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| bauzas | I don't see the problem we'd like to resolve ? | 16:47 |
| dansmith | which this helps reinforce | 16:47 |
| artom | bauzas, stephenfin's in a rush ;) | 16:47 |
| dansmith | yeah basically that :) | 16:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: ya the fact i dont do that is normally why my urls are wrong sometimes | 16:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | i normally do all the backports up front and then have to fix it | 16:47 |
| bauzas | I mean, I can type 2 letters more than usual | 16:48 |
| dansmith | maybe we could have a fast8 check that verifies the hashes? | 16:48 |
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| bauzas | and sha1s are nice when you just git log | 16:48 |
| bauzas | and not use the Gerrit API | 16:48 |
| dansmith | bauzas: the concern is that stephenfin wants to backport everything to N releases as soon as the master one merges, but might have to fix things later and doesn't want to have to change the hashes | 16:48 |
| gmann | true, history check are more easy | 16:48 |
| dansmith | bauzas: and my thoughts are that having to correct the hashes keeps things from going too quickly and out of order | 16:49 |
| bauzas | dansmith: well, I don't see how you can't do it by once | 16:49 |
| dansmith | and makes the lineage discoverable at the command line | 16:49 |
| bauzas | if you got merge conflicts on the first backport | 16:49 |
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| bauzas | you basically need to resolve your conflicts on the first stable branch before you can proceed to the next ones | 16:49 |
| dansmith | bauzas: you're preaching to the choir :) | 16:49 |
| gibi | hm, a precommit check that verifies that the hash is part of the newer branch could work but we have stable only patches so it would need some intelligence | 16:50 |
| bauzas | honestly I think we're bikeshedding | 16:50 |
| dansmith | gibi: you wouldn't have the cherry-picked-from line in those | 16:50 |
| dansmith | so it would be fine | 16:50 |
| bauzas | but in the absence of stephenfin, I'd propose to revisit it next week | 16:50 |
| gibi | dansmith: true | 16:50 |
| stephenfin | I'm here | 16:50 |
| gibi | stephenfin: o/ | 16:50 |
| bauzas | maybe I misunderstood the concern | 16:50 |
| gibi | dansmith: except when you backport a stable only to stable-1 | 16:51 |
| bauzas | stephenfin: cool, then explain me how you can backport at once, unless you hope getting no conflicts ? | 16:51 |
| gibi | dansmith: but then the hash should be valid | 16:51 |
| dansmith | gibi: right :) | 16:51 |
| stephenfin | But I said what I wanted yesterday. Left it on the agenda to see if opinions from people in addition to dansmith. Sounds like there's a consensus to keep them. I tried :) | 16:51 |
| dansmith | gibi: and I think all we need to do is check that the hashes are valid, not that they're on the next branch or anything like that | 16:51 |
| bauzas | oh, I think he's referring to a merge patch that has a different SHA1 | 16:51 |
| bauzas | so you need to wait for the patch to merge in order to be sure you won't get another sha1 | 16:52 |
| stephenfin | nigs doing the pep8 check | 16:52 |
| artom | ... "nigs" o_O | 16:52 |
| * dansmith googles "irish slang nigs" | 16:52 | |
| stephenfin | not in goals | 16:52 |
| bauzas | but honestly, sha1s in git commits are good | 16:52 |
| stephenfin | heh, sorry | 16:52 |
| artom | With the BLM stuff going on, I was worried for a second | 16:52 |
| * dansmith stands back | 16:52 | |
| bauzas | loosing this information would require us to turn into Gerrit in order to get this information | 16:53 |
| dansmith | exactly my concern | 16:53 |
| stephenfin | bauzas: 'git log --grep=$CHANGE_ID' | 16:53 |
| dansmith | I don't want to have to go to gerrit to find lineage | 16:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: i always uses "nigs" more like "not it" like the opisite of "dibs" | 16:53 |
| dansmith | searching by change-id gets relations but not ordering and not necessarily the same thing | 16:53 |
| bauzas | stephenfin: not if the master patch is on another branch, right? | 16:54 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: that was the context I was using it (not doing the hacking check) | 16:54 |
| dansmith | stephenfin: so that people won't notice when you don't update them? :) | 16:54 |
| stephenfin | ... | 16:54 |
| dansmith | mmhmm :) | 16:54 |
| stephenfin | and now I've made sure my commit IDs will always be correct | 16:54 |
| bauzas | also, double-checking but I think the -x rule comes from the Stable team, and not use | 16:55 |
| bauzas | us* | 16:55 |
| gibi | OK I think we are done with the topics on the agenda | 16:55 |
| dansmith | it does | 16:55 |
| gibi | anything else to mention before we run out of time? | 16:55 |
| dansmith | not from me | 16:55 |
| stephenfin | narp | 16:55 |
| * dansmith googles "irish slang narp" | 16:55 | |
| stephenfin | other than /me is off tomorrow | 16:55 |
| dansmith | (kidding) | 16:55 |
| * bauzas can't go to the shop for getting a new keg so meh | 16:56 | |
| gibi | I will feel alone tomorrow I guess | 16:56 |
| dansmith | s/alone/productive/ | 16:56 |
| bauzas | gibi: write a joking bot | 16:56 |
| stephenfin | dansmith: I really hope you are kidding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1sVy9JLyo | 16:56 |
| gibi | OK, lets close this. | 16:56 |
| dansmith | stephenfin: honest | 16:56 |
| gibi | thanks for joining | 16:57 |
| stephenfin | well worth a watch so ^ | 16:57 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 11 16:57:20 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-06-11-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-06-11-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-06-11-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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