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| jeremyfreudberg | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 14:00:11 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeremyfreudberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:00 |
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| tellesnobrega | o/ | 14:02 |
| jeremyfreudberg | hi tellesnobrega | 14:02 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic news/updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "news/updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| tosky | no updates yet on the Contributor goal (but working on it) | 14:02 |
| tosky | I have a few updates on sahara-dashboard (you may have seen a few patches going on) | 14:03 |
| tosky | uhm, s/on/around/ | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | nothing from me | 14:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | nothing from me either, i thought there was another week until today's meeting.... honestly not sure where the time went | 14:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic sahara-dashboard stuff | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara-dashboard stuff (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:04 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky anythig you want to share about dashboard? | 14:04 |
| tosky | so | 14:08 |
| tosky | I wanted to merge https://review.opendev.org/#/c/710211/ | 14:08 |
| tosky | failing for two reasons: one is related to some stuff happening with an external library (pyScss) | 14:09 |
| tosky | the related issues have been fixed in master, the horizon team is looking to fix them in stable/train | 14:09 |
| tosky | the other failure is in the lower-constraint job, and I though that merging this backport would have worked: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713752/ | 14:09 |
| tosky | after some discussion with the horizon team, it looks like the proper fix is simpler (https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713862/), but https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713752/ may be nice to have afterwards | 14:10 |
| tosky | we still need to wait for the pyscss fix in stable/train though | 14:10 |
| tosky | more details are available from the backported review's comment and here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-horizon/%23openstack-horizon.2020-03-19.log.html#t2020-03-19T11:38:56 | 14:11 |
| tosky | aaand that's it, so when the dashboard turn green again it means we can merge https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713862/ for sure, | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, makes sense | 14:12 |
| tosky | and also https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713752/ if we want | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i will keep an eye especially on 713862 so it can merge timely | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic open discussion | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:13 | |
| tosky | very quickly: this sahara patch should go in, the docs job fails without: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/710658/ | 14:14 |
| tosky | probably some sphinx changes, I haven't investigated | 14:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | that looks fine to merge, but your question is still a good one | 14:14 |
| tosky | so, it seems we get that on the gates too | 14:14 |
| tosky | it's just we hadn't had a fresh patch | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ah ok | 14:15 |
| tosky | if you check https://review.opendev.org/#/c/638390/ and put aside the sahara-grenade failures, you can see the issue | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok | 14:15 |
| tosky | also, the py3 jobs are failing with a strange sqlalchemy error, but I haven't found out the reason yet (just noticed this night) | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | alright | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, i don't have anything else to mention | 14:17 |
| tosky | nothing else from me | 14:18 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, let's close it, thanks everyone! | 14:18 |
| tosky | thanks, see you! | 14:19 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #endmeeting | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:20 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 14:19:59 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-03-19-14.00.html | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-03-19-14.00.txt | 14:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-03-19-14.00.log.html | 14:20 |
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| tellesnobrega | see you all | 14:20 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 16:00:07 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 16:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:00 |
| lyarwood | o/ | 16:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 16:02 |
| gibi | lets get started | 16:02 |
| gibi | #topic Last meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:02 | |
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| gibi | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-03-12-16.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| gibi | gibi promised to follow up on the ML about the plans for a virtual PTG. This is still an open AP on gibi. | 16:02 |
| gibi | especially as the fundation is now cancelled the physical Vancuver event | 16:03 |
| gibi | anything else from the last meeting to bring back? | 16:03 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:04 | |
| gibi | No Critical bugs | 16:04 |
| gibi | #link 99 new untriaged bugs (-12 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:04 |
| gibi | Thank you for started reducing our bug backlog. Please continue. | 16:04 |
| gibi | gmann started an etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-bug-triage-ussuri | 16:05 |
| * lyarwood clicks | 16:05 | |
| gmann | i started by doing few bug triage for this week, hope to burn more next week. | 16:06 |
| artom | What are we supposed to note in the etherpad? | 16:06 |
| gibi | relevant ML thread #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-March/013413.html | 16:06 |
| gmann | basica idea is collect the info or report like neutron does. but wihtout rotation. it will be many members doing at same time | 16:07 |
| gmann | in QA we do the same and in office hour we try to discuss few which need discussions or review if fix is ready etc | 16:08 |
| gmann | if that help ? | 16:08 |
| artom | So basically if we're not sure about a bug, note it down in that etherpad? | 16:08 |
| gmann | yeah. we can add bugs which are triaged in that week to know weekly progress but that can be known from LP | 16:09 |
| gibi | I think it help to highlight relevan bugs or ask for help | 16:09 |
| gmann | exactly | 16:09 |
| gibi | let's try and see if it helps | 16:10 |
| artom | Should it become a recurring agenda item in meetings? | 16:10 |
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| gibi | #action gibi add bug report etherpad to the meeting as a topic | 16:10 |
| gmann | i think in nova channel more than meeting as it need discussions etc. meeting can just check how much we burned in that week, | 16:10 |
| gibi | I will link the pad for the next couple of meeting to socialize it | 16:11 |
| gmann | so status kind of check in meeting and detail discussion on channel ? | 16:11 |
| artom | Yeah, maybe. Bugs are already a recurring item, so... | 16:11 |
| gmann | yeah | 16:11 |
| gibi | gmann: yepp | 16:11 |
| gibi | anything else about bug triage? | 16:11 |
| gibi | melwitt sent nova gate status mail to the ML http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-March/013393.html | 16:12 |
| gibi | melwitt, lyarwood, gmann: Do you need help? | 16:12 |
| gibi | I saw good progress on the mentioned items | 16:12 |
| gmann | i will get tempest fix merge soon which occur randomly | 16:13 |
| gmann | default network one | 16:13 |
| gibi | gmann: thanks | 16:13 |
| lyarwood | yeah good progress on most of this | 16:13 |
| lyarwood | still a few issues to hunt down | 16:14 |
| gibi | thank you all of you | 16:14 |
| gibi | anything else regarding bugs? | 16:14 |
| gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:14 | |
| gibi | Two weeks until "Final release for non-client libraries" (Apr 3.) | 16:15 |
| gibi | do we have must have items in os-vif os-traits os-resource-classes to release? | 16:15 |
| gibi | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/os-vif+status:open | 16:15 |
| gibi | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/os-resource-classes+status:open | 16:15 |
| gibi | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/os-traits+status:open | 16:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | for os-vif there is one feature that melonox is interested in | 16:16 |
| gibi | based on the silence and the emptiness of the review queue I guess the answer is no. But I will ask next week | 16:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | however im not sure the ovs patchs have merged yet | 16:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | so that is the main blocker to merging it | 16:17 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: do you have a link? | 16:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | so nothing that is not blocked on external factors | 16:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep one sec | 16:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/705018/ and https://review.opendev.org/#/c/702857/ i think | 16:18 |
| gibi | thanks | 16:18 |
| gibi | anything else about the release? | 16:18 |
| gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Branches (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:20 | |
| gibi | lyarwood: anything newsworthy? | 16:20 |
| lyarwood | we've got a growing core backlog of reviews | 16:20 |
| lyarwood | I'm going to work my way through the following if others can also take a look | 16:20 |
| lyarwood | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova+label:Code-Review%253D%252B2+branch:%255Estable/.*+status:open+NOT+is:reviewer+NOT+is:owner | 16:20 |
| lyarwood | stable/pike should also be unblocked by https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713036/ btw | 16:21 |
| lyarwood | rebasing changes on it now and will +W later once they are passing | 16:21 |
| gibi | thanks | 16:21 |
| gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:22 | |
| gibi | Placement (tetsuro) | 16:22 |
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| gibi | I think the only open item is consumer_types | 16:23 |
| gibi | I saw some discussion between dansmith and melwitt about it | 16:23 |
| gibi | API (gmann) | 16:24 |
| gmann | one thing to share. i added two flavor API cleanup (removal of is_public flag and id from create request) in api cleanup etherapd as discussed on channel with sean-k-mooney . - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-api-cleanup | 16:24 |
| gmann | idea is to collect these kind of cleanup and later in V or W we discuss what all should be done. and we do all those cleanup in single vesion bump same way we did in stein | 16:24 |
| gibi | gmann: I guess these are items for Victoria | 16:24 |
| gmann | yeah or later | 16:24 |
| gibi | OK | 16:24 |
| gibi | thanks for collecting them | 16:24 |
| gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:25 | |
| gmann | if anyone find such worthy cleanup to do but not worth for version bump, you can add in that etherpad | 16:25 |
| gibi | nothing on the agenda. is there any stuck review to discuss? | 16:25 |
| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:26 | |
| gibi | (gibi): I'm getting hit by RH-only patches recently as core-company diversity is low. Options? Opinions? (I'm just testing the waters here) | 16:27 |
| gibi | I'm totatlly fine getting those pings btw | 16:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya so i am trying to ping redhat cores to review before reaching out ot non redhaters | 16:28 |
| stephenfin | Personally, I think core numbers are as much if not a bigger issue | 16:28 |
| lyarwood | I think we are getting closer to having to drop the RH rule tbh | 16:28 |
| lyarwood | and yes core numbers are also an issue at the moment | 16:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | there is definetly a time zone aspect | 16:29 |
| artom | I kinda assumed the trifecta rule was implicitly dropped | 16:29 |
| artom | Out of sheer practicality | 16:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi you tend to be around more offent then say alex | 16:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | at least when im on | 16:30 |
| artom | With Matt and Eric gone, it leaves only gibi and alex_xu, which is a massive burden to shoulder | 16:30 |
| gibi | artom: I don't think we dropped the rule not even technically | 16:30 |
| lyarwood | yeah it wasn't dropped | 16:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | we have not dropped it | 16:30 |
| lyarwood | but I think we are getting to a point now where we might have to | 16:30 |
| lyarwood | before we drive gibi mad | 16:30 |
| gmann | in denver, it was discussed but not dropped. | 16:30 |
| gmann | with current situation, it make sense to revisit it. | 16:31 |
| stephenfin | I think we need more cores first, tbh | 16:31 |
| artom | stephenfin, who though? | 16:31 |
| gibi | stephenfin: I agree that both the number of cores and the diversity is a problem | 16:31 |
| gibi | if we want to keep the rule | 16:32 |
| artom | stephenfin, let's say lyarwood - he's still RH | 16:32 |
| artom | How many consistent non-RH contributors are there who aren't already cores? | 16:32 |
| gibi | brinzhang_ expressed the wish to become a core | 16:33 |
| gibi | and he is not RH | 16:33 |
| gibi | afaik | 16:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | there are peole like gmann who are sme in specific areas | 16:33 |
| stephenfin | I was trying to find brinzhang_'s NIC | 16:33 |
| stephenfin | *nick | 16:34 |
| stephenfin | :) | 16:34 |
| stephenfin | and also, yeah, there are a few SMEs | 16:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | another approch is to take the lutenit / subsystem maintainer model | 16:34 |
| stephenfin | though increasingly few | 16:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | i guess this is something we have to monitor but we are getting to a point where it will be hard to progress if maintian the current workflow. | 16:35 |
| stephenfin | Personally, if there's a subsystem that doesn't have enough eyes on it already, it's unlikely we'll be able to find a maintainer that's up to scratch | 16:36 |
| artom | I guess it's for cores to decides between themselves - but as much I agreed with the trifecta rule when there was wider diversity, I'm not sure it still makes sense | 16:36 |
| gmann | true. | 16:36 |
| gibi | artom: tend to agree | 16:36 |
| stephenfin | If someone's good enough to maintain a subsystem, they're good enough to chip in with the rest of it, IMO | 16:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | one thing we did in os-vif was due to the lack of diversity/active review we have always taken a much more relaxed approch. | 16:37 |
| gmann | and it is always trust basis not to +2/+A the area or things you are not 100% sure. | 16:37 |
| stephenfin | yup, exactly ^ | 16:37 |
| gibi | agree. | 16:37 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, os-vif is much smaller in scope though | 16:37 |
| stephenfin | yeah, os-vif is tiny by comparison | 16:38 |
| gibi | OK. I will drop a mail to the ML about the RH only rule. We need at least a core consensus to remove that | 16:38 |
| artom | We can do both though - relax the trifecta rule for now (not necessarily abolish - like, RH can still ping gibi or alex_xu for reviews, but gibi can feel free to say "just do it yourselves, I don't have bw"), while at the same time ramping up new non-RH cores | 16:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | it is but size is not really relevent here. but ya lets continue on ML | 16:38 |
| lyarwood | +1 | 16:38 |
| artom | With the intent to eventually re-instate the full trifecta rule | 16:38 |
| stephenfin | we should also be looking for opportunities to minimise the amount of work we need to do | 16:39 |
| artom | Amen brother | 16:39 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: looking to rm -rf more code? | 16:39 |
| gibi | :) | 16:39 |
| stephenfin | Well, yeah. Marking the likes of the Xen and VMWare drivers as deprecated is a good step in the right direction IMO | 16:39 |
| lyarwood | yup was just thinking of that | 16:40 |
| gmann | hiring more people in core team also encourage them to learn/help in other area too as stephenfin mentioned early, . | 16:40 |
| lyarwood | the cinder folks are going through the same process at the moment with their drivers FWIW | 16:40 |
| stephenfin | I don't care about them and if no one else does, rm -rf seems appropriate :) | 16:40 |
| stephenfin | they're planning to keep them in tree though | 16:40 |
| lyarwood | even the unsupported ones? | 16:40 |
| lyarwood | sorry I missed that | 16:40 |
| lyarwood | anyway that's OT | 16:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | lyarwood: yes until they casue a breakage in the ci | 16:40 |
| gmann | they have removal rule also which recently merged | 16:41 |
| gmann | yeah CI health is one criteria | 16:41 |
| lyarwood | yeah sorry that's what I was thinking by unsupported, CI broken etc. | 16:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | we dont have a ci for xen or vmware right now so i guess it cant break it | 16:41 |
| gmann | but cinder has too many compare to nova | 16:41 |
| * stephenfin would put money on Xen not being functional out of the box today | 16:42 | |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: vmware ci has been started back up, but I've only seen it fail :) | 16:42 |
| gibi | there is some work ongoing around the vmware CI, dansmith saw some votes coming in | 16:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: oh good to know | 16:42 |
| stephenfin | nice one | 16:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | that proably means we work something while it was offline | 16:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | although it could just be problems with the initall setup | 16:43 |
| gibi | OK any other open discussion topic before we run out of time? | 16:43 |
| dansmith | I think it's highly unlikely that all the placement and resource stuff works as expected with either of those drivers at this point | 16:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | on a related note im not sure we are going to start any of the numa in placmenet stuff this cycle. | 16:44 |
| gibi | if not then I'm fine continue discussing cores and drivers | 16:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | im hoping to take a look at it after cyborg stuff merges | 16:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | but i expect that to mainly happen in Victoria at this point | 16:44 |
| gibi | yeah cyborg has higher on my list too | 16:44 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: unlikely. bauzas has more important stuff on his plate atm I think /o\ | 16:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | so that basically just a heads up that that will slip | 16:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | in terms of cyborg | 16:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | do we know if sundar is around much longer | 16:45 |
| dansmith | I was just talking to him,m | 16:45 |
| dansmith | he has one week left to push, | 16:46 |
| dansmith | but also really wants to argue about useless comments | 16:46 |
| dansmith | so...some work will be done, but we'll see how much | 16:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok | 16:46 |
| dansmith | after that we'll need someone to pick up ownership of it | 16:46 |
| dansmith | which I can do, but I'd rather it be you so I can keep reviewing | 16:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya | 16:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | i can swap to adressing the comments if needed | 16:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | but ill leave it to sundar while he is about | 16:47 |
| dansmith | yep | 16:48 |
| gibi | sounds like a plan :) | 16:48 |
| gibi | anything else to discuss? | 16:48 |
| gibi | then thank you for joining today! | 16:49 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 16:49:34 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-03-19-16.00.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-03-19-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-03-19-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
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