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| witek | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 12 15:00:47 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| witek | Hello | 15:00 |
| koji_n | hi | 15:01 |
| witek | Hi koji_n | 15:01 |
| dougsz | hey all | 15:01 |
| witek | hi dougsz | 15:01 |
| witek | here the agenda for today: | 15:02 |
| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| witek | not much really | 15:02 |
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| witek | hi joadavis | 15:02 |
| witek | good to see you | 15:02 |
| dougsz | +1 | 15:03 |
| joadavis | o/ | 15:03 |
| witek | let's start | 15:03 |
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| witek | #topic events-listener | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "events-listener (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:03 | |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/583803 | 15:03 |
| joadavis | Thanks again for the comments. | 15:03 |
| witek | we have further discussion on spec | 15:03 |
| joadavis | I'll have to catch up. :) | 15:04 |
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| witek | I'd like to get consensus about how it should work and where should be deployed | 15:04 |
| witek | first question is: should it send to Kafka or Monasca API | 15:05 |
| dougsz | +1 for Monasca API - I think it's more flexible and the overhead is tolerable | 15:06 |
| witek | as joadavis has pointed, we could indeed implement both scenarios | 15:07 |
| witek | but we should start with one :) | 15:07 |
| joadavis | I'd like to do right to Kafka, but if we think we need to be able to separate the collection of events from the control plane (like in nova cells) we should start with API | 15:07 |
| witek | +1 | 15:07 |
| joadavis | in other words, if API is more flexible we can start there | 15:08 |
| joadavis | So the next question - collection in an API service instance or collection in an agent instance | 15:08 |
| witek | #agreed first implementation sends events to Monasca API | 15:08 |
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| dougsz | +1 for agent instance, the API might not have network access to RabbitMQ | 15:10 |
| witek | I think it should be a seperate service running next to the agent though | 15:11 |
| dougsz | Ah yeah sure, that makes sense to me | 15:11 |
| dougsz | Good comments about the forwarder not being suitable on the spec | 15:11 |
| witek | I think the new service could be similar ceilometer-agent | 15:13 |
| witek | similar to ceilometer-agent | 15:13 |
| witek | joadavis: what do you think? | 15:13 |
| joadavis | as a separate service/agent, we should be able to keep it pretty light. | 15:14 |
| witek | right | 15:14 |
| joadavis | my only worry is that it will be another thing to install. | 15:14 |
| joadavis | but we can try to find a way to make it easy to include with a monasca-agent install | 15:14 |
| witek | true | 15:15 |
| witek | we could place the code next to collector and forwarder | 15:15 |
| dougsz | agreed that in an ideal work it would be nice if it was installed with the monasca-agent | 15:16 |
| dougsz | All the code for fetching the endpoint, and the config file is there as well. | 15:16 |
| witek | that could work, I guess | 15:17 |
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| witek | OK, let's put it in monasca-agent repo then and extend the existing config and monasca_setup script | 15:19 |
| joadavis | should be good to have with monasca-agent. I'll have to do a little digging to see what options we have there | 15:19 |
| dougsz | Sounds good to me :) | 15:20 |
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| witek | and in case we want to collect metrics in a different way, we can still stop/disable collector forwarder services | 15:21 |
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| dougsz | My first thought is a forwarder which buffered to disk for events could help avoid rabbit filling the RAM if the notifications pile up, but I think that is probably overkill at the moment. | 15:22 |
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| witek | I think RabbitMQ can handle it better anyway | 15:22 |
| joadavis | Would RabbitMQ hang on to the notifications indefinitely? I don't think that other services that consume the notifications have that concern currently. | 15:23 |
| dougsz | Can it drop notifications if the RAM fills up or do you mean a separate instance for notifications? | 15:23 |
| joadavis | we can check against how Vitrage or others handle it | 15:23 |
| witek | joadavis: that would be good | 15:24 |
| dougsz | joadavis: good question | 15:24 |
| joadavis | I would hope it could drop old notifications if they aren't consumed, but I think it depends on the type of listener you are using with Rabbit | 15:24 |
| dougsz | Just thinking about if the events API went down, how we would avoid RAM filling up. | 15:25 |
| joadavis | Events should be a lower amount of traffic. so either our monasca component listening to events would have to be down for a long time or there would have to be a large storm of events while the listener was down to run in to space issues | 15:26 |
| joadavis | we could do some buffering in our events listener agent and drop old messages as needed | 15:27 |
| joadavis | similar to what the forwarder does when it requeues messages when the api is down | 15:27 |
| witek | let's check it, and we can then build in such logic, if needed | 15:28 |
| dougsz | Sounds like a plan to me. Hopefully the concern is unfounded. | 15:28 |
| joadavis | :) | 15:28 |
| witek | :) | 15:28 |
| witek | cool, seems that we have a clearer view how the component should look like now | 15:29 |
| dougsz | Looking forward to deploying it :) | 15:29 |
| joadavis | I'll rewrite the spec to match. :) | 15:30 |
| witek | great, thanks joadavis | 15:30 |
| dougsz | thanks joadavis | 15:30 |
| witek | hope to merge it before Christmas :) | 15:30 |
| dougsz | yep | 15:31 |
| witek | #topic additional meeting time for Asia/Australia | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "additional meeting time for Asia/Australia (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:31 | |
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| witek | I have attended the self-healing SIG last week | 15:32 |
| witek | they host two team meetings for different time zones | 15:32 |
| witek | basically, everyone can choose, which one to attend | 15:32 |
| witek | the current meeting time is very inconvenient for Japan/China/Australia | 15:33 |
| dougsz | I think it would be good to try - if we have lots of people turn up for the new meeting, that could only be a good thing. | 15:34 |
| joadavis | might be worth it even if we just got 2 new contributors. Have you had any interest in the past? | 15:34 |
| witek | yes, people Tacker project for example | 15:35 |
| witek | India/Japan | 15:35 |
| witek | I see some reviews from China | 15:36 |
| witek | I think we can give a try | 15:36 |
| joadavis | do you have a time slot in mind? | 15:36 |
| witek | though about Thursday morning UTC time | 15:36 |
| witek | middle of the night for you :) | 15:37 |
| joadavis | I can read the logs later. :) | 15:37 |
| witek | no, I really don't expect anyone apart from me to attend twice | 15:38 |
| witek | OK, I'll set up the slot and send an email to the list | 15:39 |
| dougsz | The time is good me, so I can try and log in at least | 15:39 |
| witek | thanks dougsz | 15:40 |
| witek | #topic AOB | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:40 | |
| witek | tempest tests are currently blocked on influxdb client error | 15:40 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/624334 | 15:40 |
| witek | I hope requirements team will merge it soon | 15:41 |
| witek | I also have problems installing DB schema with Alembic on Python 3 | 15:42 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/622361 | 15:42 |
| witek | the tests fail randomly | 15:42 |
| witek | with pymysql.err.IntegrityError: (1215, 'Cannot add foreign key constraint') | 15:43 |
| dougsz | Has anyone else reproduced Adrian's error in devstack? | 15:44 |
| witek | yes, you can observe it in OpenStack CI | 15:44 |
| witek | no, sorry | 15:45 |
| witek | bug reported by Adrian was fixed in your change | 15:45 |
| witek | any other topics? | 15:47 |
| dougsz | I gathered more feedback on cells deployments | 15:48 |
| witek | OK, please share | 15:48 |
| joadavis | I had a bug passed to me yesterday related to the monasca-installer. I'm going to ask Dobek about it, but I'll cc you witek | 15:48 |
| dougsz | Nothing from Cern yet, but Rackspace were using Yaggi to collect notifications to a central repo. | 15:48 |
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| witek | https://github.com/rackerlabs/yagi | 15:49 |
| joadavis | I would think most cells users would want to centralize the notifications. but if the documented architecture doesn't require it we might have to support them being separate | 15:49 |
| dougsz | I suppose now that we have decided to post events to the API, it doesn't matter if you leave them in a cell, or tell oslo to ship them to a central repo. | 15:50 |
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| witek | last commit 2 year ago | 15:51 |
| dougsz | Agreed joadavis, best practice seems to be to use a central notificiation repo | 15:52 |
| dougsz | yeah - it is abandoned - it seems just configuring oslo is the simplest way of collecting them all in one place. | 15:53 |
| witek | thanks dougsz | 15:53 |
| joadavis | +1 | 15:53 |
| dougsz | np - only one data point so far :) | 15:53 |
| witek | OK, thanks everyone for today | 15:54 |
| witek | thanks for constructive discussion | 15:54 |
| koji_n | witek: when will the meeting for asian time zone start? | 15:54 |
| dougsz | thanks all | 15:55 |
| witek | koji_n: I'll send a message to the openstack-discuss mailing list | 15:55 |
| witek | next week? | 15:55 |
| koji_n | ok, thx! | 15:55 |
| witek | thanks, bye bye | 15:55 |
| witek | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 12 15:55:57 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-12-12-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-12-12-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| joadavis | bye | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-12-12-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
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