Thursday, 2018-08-30

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tellesnobrega#startmeeting sahara14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 30 14:00:33 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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tellesnobregashow off hands14:01
jeremyfreudbergo/14:01
toskyo/14:03
tellesnobrega#topics News/Updates14:03
tellesnobrega#topic News/Updates14:03
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toskystill slowly working on S3 testing, not visible so much but expect a big bang patch soon14:04
tellesnobregaI'm still working on split plugins14:05
tellesnobreganow I'm down to 22 bugs failing on the plugins side14:05
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tellesnobregaof course that number may rise again when I rebase again the code14:06
tellesnobregabut it is looking good14:06
jeremyfreudbergnot much from me again, always a bit slow in between cycles... i've been in contact with the new contributor (ivoline) some more (over email)14:06
tellesnobregaawesome, she just sent me an email as well14:07
tellesnobregawe should come up with a list of task (easy ones at first)14:07
tellesnobregaso she can start contributing14:07
jeremyfreudberggetting her up to speed has been interesting so far -- our new contributor guides don't really adress the case where the someone has never used openstack before14:07
tellesnobregaI believe that are some openstack guides on that14:08
tellesnobregaI mean, we can't be responsible to have on sahara docs everything from openstack as a whole14:08
tellesnobregawe could add some links for sure14:08
tellesnobregalike, if this is your firts time hearing about OpenStack start here14:09
jeremyfreudbergyes, of course-- the openstack-wide guides are a bit better14:09
toskyin fact there is the general contributor documentation for openstack14:09
toskyand I think we point to it (or we should, if we don't)14:09
tellesnobregalets check that14:10
jeremyfreudbergthey sort-of jump from "here's a working devstack" to "here's how to start developing"14:10
tellesnobregait is worth a review for sure14:11
toskytalking about initial tasks, does "go through the documentatio and fix it" make sense as task?14:11
tellesnobregait does for sure but I also like to throw some coding14:11
jeremyfreudbergdepends on the type of doc fix14:11
tellesnobregareview and fixing doc might not be something really interesting14:11
tellesnobregaand might drive people away14:12
toskyok14:12
tellesnobregabut we can balance that14:12
toskybut at least she will need to go through the documentation to install it and use it14:12
tellesnobregabecause reading docs it is a good way to get some insight on the code14:12
tellesnobregayes14:12
jeremyfreudbergi keep losing the link to our doc problmes etherpad btw14:13
jeremyfreudberganyone have it handy?14:13
tellesnobregausually luigi has it all14:13
tellesnobregaif he doesn't, then it is lost forever14:14
toskyisn't it linked from the Stein PTG document?14:14
jeremyfreudbergtosky: oh, and i put it there14:14
tellesnobregaas I said, luigi knows it all14:15
toskyhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-rocky-doc14:15
tellesnobregawe can definitely start on that14:15
tellesnobregaand bring her up to speed with these etherpads as well14:16
tellesnobregaand work up from there14:16
tellesnobregaI want to move to another topic, quicl14:16
tellesnobregaand we can come back if needed on open discussion14:16
jeremyfreudbergsure14:16
tellesnobrega#topic Stein PTG14:16
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tellesnobregaso, we are gettting close to the PTG14:17
tellesnobregaI want to ask that we take some time this coming week to prepare ourselves on important topics like adding Hawq to Ambari14:17
tellesnobregaand Phoenix to vanilla14:17
tellesnobregaso we can make the best of our ptg time14:17
tellesnobregaalso, please review the etherpad, see if there is anything missing14:18
toskyis Phoenix supported by some of the existing distributions?14:18
tellesnobregathat is why I mean we need to take some time to look into it, I don't have a clue14:18
jeremyfreudbergi believe hortonworks has phoenix14:18
tellesnobregaso better basic understanding will give us good discussions14:18
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tellesnobregathat was pretty much all on this topic14:19
tellesnobregaI'm quite happy with the topics we have, but we may have more14:19
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tellesnobregaI will take a look on old etherpads as well to bring up some important topics that we could have missed14:20
tellesnobregaok, any specific topics for today?14:22
jeremyfreudbergnope14:24
tellesnobregatosky?14:25
toskyif you merge this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/595786/ I can cut a new sahara-tests release14:26
toskyeven without S3 scenario support14:26
jeremyfreudbergsure14:26
tellesnobrega#topic Open Discussion14:27
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jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega: just to make sure we don't duplicate the work-- did ivoline email you about the same thing as me? she emailed me about some instructions about the CLI tools in the ops guide14:27
tellesnobregano, she was asking some guidelines for opensource work14:28
jeremyfreudbergcool14:28
tellesnobregawe have a 5 minutes silence window14:33
tellesnobregaso lets close for today and we get 36 minutes back14:33
jeremyfreudbergyep14:33
tellesnobregathanks all14:33
tellesnobregaagain, please review ptg etherpad and read on some of the new ideas so we can make the most of the 2 days we have face to face14:34
tellesnobregasee you all next week14:34
tellesnobregathanks14:34
toskybye!14:34
tellesnobrega#endmeeting14:34
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 30 15:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:00
haleybhi15:00
manjeetshi15:00
mlavallehey haleyb15:00
mlavallehi manjeets15:00
munimeha1hi15:01
mlavallewelcome munimeha115:01
mlavallemunimeha1: do you have a topic you want to discuss during the meeting?15:01
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mlavalle#topic Announcements15:02
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njohnstono/15:02
mlavalleYesterday we released Rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/597529/15:03
mlavalleso for all practical purposes, we can think we are in the Stein cycle15:04
mlavallewelcome to Stein!15:04
mlavalleThe PTG is a little more than a week away15:04
mlavalleI am consolidating all the proposed topics in a coherent agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-stein-ptg15:05
mlavallemanjeets: are you joininh the team dinner on Thursday?15:05
manjeetsmlavalle, yes15:06
mlavallemanjeets: so add a Yes at the end of the line where your name is in the etherpad15:06
mlavalleany other announcements from the team?15:07
manjeetsdone15:07
mlavalle:-)15:07
mlavalleok, let's mlove on15:07
mlavalleyeah, let's love on15:07
mlavalleLOL15:07
manjeetslol15:08
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:08
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mlavalleFirst I have for today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178800615:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1788006 in neutron "neutron_tempest_plugin DNS integration tests fail with "Server [UUID] failed to reach ACTIVE status and task state "None" within the required time ([INTEGER] s). Current status: BUILD. Current task state: spawning."" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:08
mlavalleI investigated this one and couldn't find anything wrong on the Neutron side15:09
mlavalleI traced it back to Nova. The compute receives the vif plugged event correctly from Neutron15:09
mlavallebut that doesn't propagate to the Nova API, so the instance stays stuck in state "spawning"15:10
mlavalleI opened a bug in the NOva side15:10
mlavallehowever, during the CI a meeting slaweq pointed out that it was weird that this is happening in DNS integration tests only15:11
mlavalleso I am digging in other cases15:11
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178943415:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1789434 in neutron "neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_migration.NetworkMigrationFromHA failing 100% times" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:12
mlavalleI had fight hard with haleyb to get ownership of this bug15:12
mlavalleI finally prevailed ;-)15:12
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njohnstonLOL15:12
mlavalleas shared yesterday with manjeets and hongbin yesterday, I know have a vagrabt script where I can build dvr-ha environments in 50 minutes15:13
mlavalleso I am going to attemopt to reporduce this issue locally in my environment today15:14
mlavalleFinally, I am looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178791915:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1787919 in neutron "Upgrade router to L3 HA broke IPv6" [High,Confirmed]15:15
mlavalleI just assigned it to myself15:15
mlavalleand will also reproduce locally in my environment15:15
haleybthat looks interesting15:15
mlavallein this case there are notes from hongbin on how to reproduce locally15:16
mlavalle\so I'll follow the recipe15:16
haleyblike baking a cake :)15:17
mlavallewe have this critical one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178818515:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1788185 in neutron "[Stable/Queens] Functional tests neutron.tests.functional.agent.l3.test_ha_router failing 100% times " [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:18
mlavallereally the assignee here is slaweq15:18
mlavallehe has been working on the issue for the past few days15:18
mlavallefixes were fixed for Ocata and Queens. I will follow up at the end of this meeting with slaweq to see where we are15:20
haleybi think there's still an ocata backport?  but maybe it's still broken after reading the last comments?15:20
mlavalleyeah15:20
mlavallethat last comment gave me pause15:20
mlavalleI'll check with slaweq to see what he thinks15:20
haleybi thought i saw a strange HA func test failure today, maybe that's related15:21
mlavalleThose are the bugs I have at this point15:21
haleybthere is another15:21
mlavalleare there any other bugs we should discuss today?15:21
haleybhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178940315:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1789403 in neutron "ip6tables rules for PD subnets not fully recreated at l3-agent restart" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:22
haleybposted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/597710/ - just got an update that it seems to fix the issue15:22
haleybthat was the one that had the odd test failure15:22
mlavalleahhh, ok15:23
haleybhttp://logs.openstack.org/10/597710/1/check/neutron-functional/9d0610b/logs/testr_results.html.gz15:23
slaweqhi, sorry for being late :)15:23
haleybmlavalle: so i didn't know if it was my code, or keepalived15:23
mlavalleI can run that test locally. I'll let you know if it fails15:24
haleybmlavalle: thanks15:24
mlavallehi slaweq. I was worried that you migh have been eaten by the python ;-)15:25
slaweqmlavalle: LOL, no15:25
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slaweqI eat python :D15:25
mlavalleyou do15:25
mlavallewe were wondering about the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178818515:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1788185 in neutron "[Stable/Queens] Functional tests neutron.tests.functional.agent.l3.test_ha_router failing 100% times " [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:26
slaweqworkaround patches for Queens and Ocata are merged15:26
slaweqthere is still not merged patch for Pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/596559/15:26
slaweqbut yesterday frickler was playing a bit with it and he had some comments about keepalived version15:27
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mlavalleexactly, that is really my question15:27
slaweqfor him it looks like old keepalived was behaving wrong and we tested this wrong behaviour as good one15:27
slaweqI will have to check that once again15:27
slaweqand also strange thing is that on newer keepalived (1.3.9) test is fine15:28
mlavalleok15:28
mlavalleis it ok if I assign the bug to you?15:29
slaweqsure15:29
mlavalledone15:29
mlavallethanks!15:29
mlavalleany other bugs we should discuss today15:30
haleybhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/178627215:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1786272 in neutron "Connection between two virtual routers does not work with DVR" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:30
haleybit's only assigned to me since i updated the review, but i see new comments15:30
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haleybslaweq made a change to schedule these shared-subnet DVR routers to allow traffic, but it requires more work15:31
slaweqI'm trying to do scenario test to cover such case today15:32
mlavalleso, should we change the assignee to slaweq?15:32
slaweqwith such scenario test would be easier to be sure that patch works15:32
haleybslaweq: looks like it's going to need an OF change ?15:32
slaweqlocally I didn't do any changes in OF15:33
slaweqand tbh I don't think so15:33
slaweqbasically if there is vm from "second" subnet on host, qrouter- will be created now, and all will work then15:33
haleyboh, i thought from swami's comment it was needed15:33
haleybmaybe that was without your change...15:34
slaweqso if I will change logic of which qrouter namespaces should be created on node, it should do everything to be working15:34
slaweqbut let's do test and check then on CI :)15:34
* haleyb was just confused with comments15:34
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mlavallecool15:35
mlavalleany other bugs?15:35
haleybwe can re-assign, or just wait for slaweq to update and it will change to him :)15:35
mlavalleok15:35
mlavalleok, let's move to open agenda then15:36
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:36
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mlavalleIn building environment to test dvr-ha related bugs, I followed this recipe: https://docs.openstack.org/neutron/latest/admin/config-dvr-ha-snat.html15:37
mlavalleand it referes in several place to br-ex15:38
mlavallethat is obsolete, isn't it?15:38
davidshaNot yet I think15:39
davidshaThe patch still hasn't merged?15:39
davidshahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/567369/15:40
mlavalleok, but it is in it's way to be obsolete15:41
mlavalleThanks!15:41
davidshanp!15:42
mlavalleand that patch by the way fixes the doc15:42
mlavalleso we are good15:42
mlavalleany other topics we should discuss today?15:42
mlavalleok, thanks for attending15:43
mlavalle#endmeeting15:43
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davidshaThanks!15:43
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njohnstonThanks!15:44
slaweqo/15:45
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cdent#startmeeting api-sig16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 30 16:00:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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cdent#chairs edleafe dtantsur16:00
cdentor rather16:00
cdent#chair edleafe dtantsur16:01
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe16:01
dtantsuro/16:01
edleafe\o16:01
cdent#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda16:01
cdent#topic old biz16:01
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cdent#link old minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-08-23-16.00.html16:01
cdentno action items16:01
edleafeYay! We didn't not do the things we didn't have to do!16:02
cdentand the newletter indicates that not a lot happened16:02
cdentso any additional reflections?16:02
edleafenot from me16:02
cdent#topic new biz16:03
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cdentlooks like I (nor anyone else) udpated the agenda16:03
cdentso it looks like there's no new biz16:04
cdentone idle thing I did want to mention, because it's come up in conversations I've had outside the upstream openstack conversation, is whether, from a philosophical standpoint16:05
edleafeThere was a post tot he ML about Open API 3.016:05
cdentk8s CRD are awesome or the devils work16:05
edleafeLike most tech, they can be both16:05
edleafeAnything that is powerful can also be dangerous16:05
cdentyeah, pretty much16:06
cdentpresumably they are antithetical to the "our" work, because they break interop, by definition16:07
edleafeThey're like metaclasses in python: if you don't understand 'em, you don't need 'em16:07
cdent(unless you are one of those people who think that capabilities discover is an appropriate way to route around such things)16:07
* dtantsur is out of context here16:07
cdent#link CRD: https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/extend-kubernetes/api-extension/custom-resources/16:08
edleafeInterop is not necesary unless you have a set of standard things16:08
edleafeOpenStack has discrete services. k8s doesn't16:09
edleafewell, theyt do, but it isn't intended to be everything16:09
cdentand therein lies the rub16:09
cdentcompany x can present the k8s-in-a-cloud solution, with some CRDs that will now not work with company u16:09
cdentsome insiders are saying "it had to be done to help 'create a market' but it is going to be chaos'16:10
dtantsurah, so extensions16:10
cdenteffectively16:10
edleafeyep16:10
cdentso, for that standpoint they are an interesting compare and contrast I guess, and I suppose that's why I bring them up (besides just wanting to fill the dark void which is life)16:11
edleafeSpeaking of dark voids...16:12
edleafehttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-August/133960.html16:12
cdent#link open api 3.0 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-August/133960.html16:12
cdentsomething I guess we need to track but I've not yet teased out the "ask" in that tread16:13
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edleafeI read the ask as "we need cheerleaders"16:13
cdentthat makes everyone look to the right16:14
cdentis there anything to do?16:15
cdentby which I mean: any actions to put in the minutes?16:15
edleafeNo, no actions. I'm mjust keeping an eye on it16:16
cdent#action edleafe keeping an eye on that open api 3.0 stuff16:17
cdenthuzzah16:17
cdentanything else on the radar. dtantsur ?16:18
dtantsurnope16:18
cdentokay then, next topic16:20
cdent#topic guidelines16:20
cdent#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z16:20
*** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api-sig)"16:20
* edleafe and cdent are stuck in a -placement brouhaha16:20
dtantsurhuzzahaha16:21
cdentnothing new in guidelines as far as I can see?16:21
edleafedtantsur: :)16:22
cdentI'm not going to be able to get back to the design guideline until after some of this placement stuff clears, as my mind is not right16:22
cdenteverything else is old16:22
cdenthowever, it looks like some approved things can be moved around to get them to merge16:23
dtantsurwe need to keep going with the version discovery stuff16:23
dtantsurwe realized that ironic is doing it wrong, but we don't have a merged definition of "right"16:24
dtantsursee https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200356716:24
cdentah, yeah16:24
cdent#action cdent reorder some of his pending guidelines which somehow have bad dependencies16:25
cdentmordred: you still want to care and feed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459710/ or should someone adopt it (and its peers)?16:26
cdent#action reinvigorate version discovery and consumption guidelines16:27
cdentanything else on guidelines?16:28
cdent#topic bug review16:29
cdent#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/103916:29
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cdentnothing new, no activity that I can see16:29
edleafeme neither16:30
dtantsurwe're perfect \o/16:30
cdentheh16:30
cdentzen master says the way to be perfect is to be irrelevant16:30
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edleafeGuess I'm perfect then16:31
cdenthuzzah16:31
cdent#topic weekly newsletter16:31
*** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api-sig)"16:31
cdent#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter16:31
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cdentanybody aching?16:31
cdentI guess it's been a while since I did it, so I'll make something terse and cold16:32
edleafeyeah, not a lot to report16:33
cdentI'll ping when I need a read16:33
cdentanybody have anything or are we done? Next week come prepared with your ptg planning head on please, so we can have a nice pleasant first day at the ptg, full of flowers and unicors and such.16:34
edleafeI'll pong16:34
edleafeNo unicorns.16:34
edleafeI don't want to be distracted by farting rainbows16:35
dtantsurlol16:35
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* cdent looks forward to whiteboards16:35
cdentthanks for your participation and attendance16:35
cdent#endmeeting16:35
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