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| raildo | #startmeeting oslo-config-plaintext-secrets | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 19 15:00:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raildo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo_config_plaintext_secrets' | 15:00 |
| raildo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-config-plaintext-secrets | 15:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 15:00 |
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| moguimar | o/ | 15:01 |
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| raildo | courtesy ping for dhellmann, redrobot | 15:02 |
| redrobot | o/ | 15:02 |
| spilla_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| raildo | hello everyone :) | 15:02 |
| raildo | #topic Code review | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Code review (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:02 | |
| raildo | so we have this remaining patches for review | 15:03 |
| raildo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575107/ | 15:03 |
| raildo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474304/ | 15:03 |
| raildo | so any thoughts on that will be appreciated :) | 15:03 |
| moguimar | I was on PTO since last friday, got back today =) | 15:04 |
| raildo | the first one it's about the sample generator emits an example group for Ini driver | 15:04 |
| raildo | and the second one it's the spec with the more generic details about this feature | 15:04 |
| raildo | moguimar, welcome back :) hope you have enjoyed your PTO | 15:04 |
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| raildo | #topic Separate cache for external sources | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Separate cache for external sources (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:05 | |
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| moguimar | raildo, you have some plans for this task, don't you? | 15:05 |
| moguimar | separate cache | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:06 |
| raildo | so, I tried to implement this separate cache, but I stopped in some questions during the implementation | 15:06 |
| raildo | Should be inside the INIConfigurationSource only caching values in the get method? Should be over cfg.py caching values when using the Ini driver? | 15:06 |
| raildo | I mean, it was not clear to me, if it should be just caching values for the ini driver, or if it will be dealing with multiple caches like to create, clear cache and so on | 15:07 |
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| raildo | like, it needs to change the clear_cache function as well, to add this new cache: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/master/oslo_config/cfg.py#L2434-L2444 | 15:08 |
| moguimar | if we implement that at cfg level, it will cover all future drivers | 15:08 |
| raildo | my concern it's to be over changing the cfg file with a change that will be removed later | 15:09 |
| moguimar | we can also cover all sources implementing the cache in the base class | 15:09 |
| moguimar | and then trying to fetch from the cache inside the get | 15:10 |
| moguimar | so future drivers can adopt it or not | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | we wanted 1 central cache because we want the drive API to be very simple | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | when something calls the driver, the driver shouldn't have to decide whether to fetch data -- it should do that | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | we have a cache in the ConfigOpts class already, but because of mutable options we have to be careful what we put there | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | since we said we weren't going to support mutability in the drivers for now, we need to separate the values we cache that come from drivers so that when we reset the cache for file data we do not discard the driver data | 15:12 |
| raildo | dhellmann, so, since this will not be mutable at this point, we don't need to worry about be cleaning this new cache layer, just adding the new values from the external source on that | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | that way ConfigOpts will always return the first value given to it by a driver, and the option will act like it is immutable | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | otherwise when we flush the cache we might get a modified value from a driver, and then we have to keep track of the differences | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | that's right | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | that's the reason for making it separate, so it is *not* flushed when we flush the other cache | 15:13 |
| raildo | ok, I'll send a patch implementation this idea today | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | it's a little hacky, and it will go away when we support mutability in the drivers | 15:13 |
| moguimar | so basically a second cache, fetching values from it before pooling the sources and setting values to it after successfully getting a value from a source | 15:13 |
| moguimar | with a different clear behaviour | 15:14 |
| * gagehugo lurks | 15:14 | |
| raildo | ok, move on | 15:15 |
| raildo | #topic start thinking on the castellan driver | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "start thinking on the castellan driver (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:16 | |
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| raildo | I was talking with redrobot about the new driver, that we will be implementation, and would be nice writing any necessary detail that will be need for that | 15:16 |
| raildo | so we can start writing a POC for the castellan driver, based in what we have until now | 15:16 |
| moguimar | I haven't had a look at castellan yet =( | 15:17 |
| raildo | so, if guys have in mind any details that will be necessary for implement that, just start adding topic in the etherpad, item 3 in the future work section | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | I didn't have a chance to look at the current spec. Have you had good review feedback there? | 15:18 |
| redrobot | moguimar, I've been taking a deep dive into Castellan the last couple of weeks | 15:18 |
| raildo | dhellmann, kind of, we have discussed a few items, but I still have a feeling that we need more details on how to implement it | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | I will put that on my list for later this week | 15:18 |
| raildo | dhellmann, from the TripleO perspective, looks like we still need define more details on how we gonna support that, like which backend we will be using on castellan, how we gonna do deploy/build this backend... | 15:19 |
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| raildo | so, at this point, I think that it's more some specific for castellan than for the oslo.config side | 15:20 |
| raildo | but would be nice add all those details over there, if possible | 15:20 |
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| dhellmann | raildo : ok, that will be a tripleo spec, not an oslo spec | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | it may make sense to work all of that out before starting the driver, so it is clear what sort of configuration options will be needed | 15:22 |
| raildo | dhellmann, yeah, sure but I'm trying to say is that I would like to have all the details related to the castellan driver done, so the tripleo folks can be free to start thinking about write this tripleo spec | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | ok. I'm suggesting that would be doing it backwards. :-) | 15:22 |
| raildo | dhellmann, agreed | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | Without knowing what tripleo needs, we don't know what features to put into the driver. | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | this is a case where we need to design "top down" instead of "bottom up" | 15:23 |
| raildo | dhellmann, we will have a meeting with the tripleo security squad tomorrow about this, would be awesome if you could join us, to share some of your thoughts on that | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | I can try. When and where is that meeting? | 15:24 |
| moguimar | #tripleo | 15:24 |
| moguimar | freenode | 15:24 |
| raildo | it's in the #tripleo at 13:00 UTC | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:25 |
| moguimar | you're sure raildo | 15:25 |
| moguimar | for me it is 14:00 | 15:25 |
| raildo | or it's 12:00 UTC? I'll confirm and ping you | 15:25 |
| moguimar | I'm at +2 | 15:25 |
| redrobot | it's 1200 UTC | 15:26 |
| * dhellmann mumbles about getting up early | 15:26 | |
| dhellmann | ok, I should be able to do that :-) | 15:26 |
| raildo | dhellmann, sorry about that, it's 1200 UTC http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo_security_squad/2018/tripleo_security_squad.2018-06-13-12.01.log.html | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | no worries, I'm just being cranky today | 15:27 |
| raildo | anyway, dhellmann if you want, we can talk with the tripleo folks later on the day | 15:27 |
| raildo | don't need to be necessary during that meeting | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | nah, I'll try to join the meeting | 15:27 |
| raildo | dhellmann, great :) | 15:27 |
| raildo | #topic open discussion | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo-config-plaintext-secrets)" | 15:28 | |
| moguimar | ok, I need to rush here, gotta leave in a sec... I'm trying to get the financial approval for EuroPython from my manager, also I got an invitation to submit a talk to PyterPy in St Petersburg, 2-3 November | 15:28 |
| moguimar | I'll talk to my manager tomorrow and submit the protecting plaintext secrets talk | 15:28 |
| moguimar | for PiterPy | 15:28 |
| moguimar | and I'm probably going to talk about it at Python Brasil in october as well | 15:29 |
| moguimar | thats all I have for now | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | oh, nice | 15:29 |
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| raildo | that would be awesome | 15:29 |
| moguimar | g2g, I'll read any feedback tomorrow o/ | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | ttyl, moguimar | 15:30 |
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| raildo | ok, so have a good week everyone, thanks for your time! | 15:31 |
| raildo | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 19 15:31:13 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets/2018/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets.2018-06-19-15.00.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets/2018/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets.2018-06-19-15.00.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets/2018/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets.2018-06-19-15.00.log.html | 15:31 |
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