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witek | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 6 15:00:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
dougsz | hey all | 15:00 |
jgrassler | Hello | 15:00 |
witek | hello | 15:00 |
koji | hi | 15:00 |
joadavis | Good day | 15:00 |
witek | congratulations joadavis ! :) | 15:01 |
joadavis | ah, thanks, you must have heard about my new family addition. :) | 15:01 |
witek | yes | 15:01 |
witek | we have few items in agenda today | 15:02 |
witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
witek | let's start | 15:02 |
witek | #topic reviews | 15:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:02 | |
witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562393/ | 15:02 |
witek | I quickly went through it | 15:03 |
witek | have just given +1 | 15:03 |
witek | more reviewers very welcome | 15:04 |
witek | and if not, joadavis feel free to merge if you think it's ready | 15:04 |
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joadavis | I've been through it with Ashwin and think it is ready to merge, but it is big enough that any additional eyes are welcome. Thanks for looking at it | 15:05 |
witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563957/ | 15:06 |
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witek | that's pretty straight forward | 15:06 |
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joadavis | yes, I'd meant to throw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565162/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565165/ on the list as well. All seemed reasonable to me | 15:07 |
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witek | thanks joadavis | 15:08 |
witek | in general we have some backlog of changes in review | 15:08 |
joadavis | I attempted to tox test 565165 but it failed to set up correctly on my devstack, and didn't have time to debug why | 15:08 |
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pandy_ | Hi All | 15:09 |
mayankkapoor | Hi everyone | 15:09 |
witek | it would be great, if we could invest some more time in reviews and try to get them merged | 15:09 |
witek | pandy_: mayankkapoor: hello | 15:09 |
dougsz | hmm, i also did the joadavis, and it ran all the expected tests | 15:09 |
joadavis | I suspected it was my system, so didn't see it as a blocker | 15:10 |
dougsz | *same | 15:10 |
joadavis | if it had passed, I would have +2 | 15:10 |
joadavis | 'd :) | 15:10 |
pandy_ | would like to know suggestions for deploying monasca on large scale production setup, mainly looking forward handling kafka | 15:11 |
joadavis | greetings, pandy_. Yeah, that's on the agenda | 15:12 |
witek | pandy_: please hold on, we're on the first agenda item | 15:12 |
witek | to end up with review topic: I've sent a nomination for dougsz to join the core team | 15:12 |
pandy_ | witek, sure, waiting for my turn | 15:12 |
joadavis | +1 for adding dougsz :) | 15:13 |
witek | he actively contributes to log-api and kolla | 15:13 |
witek | and reviews actively | 15:13 |
jgrassler | +1 :-) | 15:13 |
witek | I see no objections; congratulations dougsz! I'll add you to the list after the meeting | 15:14 |
witek | #topic monasca-ceilometer publisher | 15:14 |
*** openstack changes topic to "monasca-ceilometer publisher (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:14 | |
dougsz | thank you all :) it's privilege to join. I look forward to helping to keep things moving along | 15:15 |
joadavis | Just a quick update on that. The publisher contribution has stalled in ceilometer. | 15:15 |
witek | Yes, I've noticed | 15:15 |
joadavis | I chatted with two of the Telemetry guys, but was told effectively that ceilometer is in maintenance mode and I could take it up with the tc or take over ceilometer myself | 15:16 |
witek | with whom have you talked? | 15:16 |
joadavis | chat history in #openstack-telemetry last week if anyone is curious | 15:16 |
joadavis | julien and gordon | 15:16 |
joadavis | So I wanted to see if you witek had any sway. :) | 15:16 |
witek | does TC know that? | 15:17 |
witek | I mean they're adding new publishers theirselves | 15:17 |
joadavis | I don't know if tc or openstack at large is aware of the lack of developers for telemetry projects | 15:17 |
witek | prometheus being the recent example | 15:18 |
joadavis | (and yes, the fact that a new publisher was added two months ago did invalidate that argument) | 15:18 |
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joadavis | I'm not sure if i just asked the wrong question, or if having the name "monasca" on it automatically gets a negative reaction from the telemetry team. :P | 15:19 |
witek | I don't know | 15:19 |
witek | I'll go through the logs | 15:19 |
witek | could you point me to them? | 15:19 |
joadavis | MAy 28 and 29th | 15:19 |
witek | thanks | 15:19 |
witek | for now, I have left you some cosmetic comments in review | 15:20 |
witek | I though about writing to them on openstack-dev mailing list | 15:20 |
witek | but want to read the logs first | 15:20 |
witek | I think we can sync on this offline joadavis | 15:21 |
joadavis | thanks. I have been pondering other long term options, but all would take some work involved that I don't think we have resources to sign up to do | 15:21 |
witek | any other votes on this? | 15:21 |
witek | #topic log-api | 15:22 |
*** openstack changes topic to "log-api (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:22 | |
witek | dougsz: your turn | 15:22 |
dougsz | So this is pretty close. I've made a monster patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570599/ | 15:22 |
dougsz | I can split that into two patches if people would prefer - one to add the ElasticSearch repo, and the other for the API | 15:23 |
witek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570599/ | 15:23 |
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dougsz | My major question is around common code. I started off by trying to factor of common methods from the monasca API into monasca common so that I could use them in the log-API | 15:24 |
dougsz | But then, after adding a voluptuous schema, I had to change these methods a bit | 15:24 |
dougsz | So I wonder if I should confine the log-api change to log-api repo, and address the common code in later commits | 15:24 |
dougsz | To keep things simpler | 15:25 |
jgrassler | I'd vote for that (take care of the monasca-common adjustments later). | 15:25 |
dougsz | Going one step further, I seriously wonder if combining the monasca-api and monasca-log-api might make it easier to maintain | 15:25 |
jgrassler | I'm not a huge fan of "let's add this and let's also include that" - it's got a way of never ending :-) | 15:26 |
dougsz | Yeah - the change is already pretty big. | 15:26 |
witek | I understand dougsz meant it for longer term | 15:26 |
witek | I basically like the idea of joining these two repos | 15:28 |
witek | which would also be valid for events-api | 15:28 |
witek | but would prefer to plan it for the next release | 15:28 |
dougsz | sounds good | 15:29 |
witek | I think it could reduce the maintenance effort | 15:29 |
witek | other thoughts? | 15:29 |
jgrassler | Yes. From a packaging point of view, I'm all for it... | 15:29 |
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joadavis | sounds like a good plan | 15:30 |
dougsz | ok, cool | 15:30 |
dougsz | So i will make the log-query-api all in one place, and leave the refactoring for later | 15:30 |
witek | we should take a closer look though what issues could occur | 15:31 |
witek | I mean, when joining | 15:31 |
jgrassler | Yes. This definitely warrants a spec. | 15:31 |
witek | agree | 15:32 |
dougsz | Maybe I can start by throwing some observations into one | 15:32 |
witek | good idea | 15:32 |
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dougsz | ok, thanks all, that's it from me | 15:32 |
witek | folks, please review :) | 15:33 |
jgrassler | For one, operators will no longer be able to separate log and metrics APIs (and given the amount of traffic that goes through them that might be desirable :-) | 15:33 |
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dougsz | it'd certainly be nice to collect use cases. From our point of view, we always deploy them together. | 15:35 |
jgrassler | I guess that could be taken care of through the service catalog. | 15:35 |
jgrassler | You just run multiple instances of the unified API services and designate one as "this is for logs" and the other as "this is for metrics" | 15:36 |
dougsz | yeah | 15:36 |
dougsz | that makes sense to me | 15:36 |
witek | let's write up a spec for this, so we can go through all this in review | 15:37 |
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dougsz | sounds good, i'll start one | 15:37 |
witek | thanks dougsz | 15:37 |
witek | #topic large deployments | 15:37 |
*** openstack changes topic to "large deployments (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:37 | |
witek | pandy_: sorry, that you had to wait | 15:38 |
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witek | pandy_: so you wanted to have some advice on Kafka configuration, right? | 15:39 |
pandy_ | witek, thanks for adding our topic in agenda, mayankkapoor_ will explain | 15:39 |
mayankkapoor | Some brief context. pandy_ and I work together in Reliance Jio. Jio is a telecom startup, and we have our own Openstack private cloud. | 15:39 |
mayankkapoor | In Inida | 15:39 |
mayankkapoor | *India | 15:40 |
witek | nice, have we met in Vancouver? | 15:40 |
mayankkapoor | Unfortunately both pandy_ and I couldn't attend. Harshit from our team was there. | 15:40 |
mayankkapoor | He has attended the Monasca update session I think | 15:41 |
mayankkapoor | So long story short, we have about 2000 bare-metals running Openstack, and about 200 running Kubernetes now | 15:41 |
mayankkapoor | Our openstack deployments are 500 nodes each (400 computes, 100 odd storage nodes) | 15:42 |
mayankkapoor | Till now we haven't enabled ceilometer for VM level monitoring due to scaling issues. We currently run Ocata. | 15:42 |
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mayankkapoor | We reviewed Monasca architecture and liked it a lot. So the question is: Would you help point us to configuration and deployment settings meant for large scale clouds? | 15:43 |
witek | how do you want to deploy? | 15:44 |
mayankkapoor | Our current plan is to deploy on bare-metals, running docker swarm | 15:44 |
mayankkapoor | Some issues with Kafka running on docker swarm have led us to separate out the Kafka cluster and run in on bare-metals directly. | 15:44 |
mayankkapoor | We have earmarked 3 bare-metal nodes in our control plane for Monasca | 15:45 |
witek | monasca-helm deploys Kafka together with other components in Kubernetes cluster | 15:45 |
witek | HPE and OP5 use it | 15:45 |
dougsz | mayankkapoor: From my side (StackHPC) we haven't scaled up to anything that size yet, but we're working on a 600 node deployment on the Darwin cluster at Cambridge uni, so we should have some experience in a few months. | 15:46 |
witek | dougsz: how do you deploy? | 15:47 |
mayankkapoor | Yeah saw the helm chart. Ok we will defn try the helm install and report back. | 15:47 |
dougsz | At the moment we have a hybrid deployment of Kolla Ansible + some legacy LXC containers | 15:47 |
dougsz | The Kolla-Ansible deployment should be finished in a few weeks at which point we'll switch over to that entirely. | 15:47 |
joadavis | At SUSE we are still deploying to VMs using ansible or crowbar (containers will come soon :) ) | 15:48 |
witek | dougsz: with Monasca included in Kolla? | 15:48 |
jgrassler | Actually Crowbar uses Ansible, too :-) | 15:48 |
dougsz | Yeah that's right | 15:48 |
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mayankkapoor | We'll go ahead first with our bare-metal install, and then try the helm install. Thanks for the advice. | 15:50 |
witek | mayankkapoor: it could make sense to dedicate own node(s) for TSDB | 15:50 |
mayankkapoor | @witek: ok we can try that. We'll test first and see if there are any bottlenecks. | 15:51 |
witek | how many measurements do you plan to collect? | 15:51 |
mayankkapoor | Very few: CPU, RAM, Storage are the critical ones. Currently we're using the default ones enabled, but will steadily turn unnece metrics off | 15:52 |
mayankkapoor | *unnecessary metrics off | 15:52 |
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mayankkapoor | No further questions for now, thanks for listening | 15:54 |
pandy_ | as mayankkapoor will try helm, also looking for advise to handle kafka with better performance | 15:55 |
dougsz | mayankkapoor: It'll be interesting to hear how you get on | 15:55 |
mayankkapoor | @dougz: sure | 15:55 |
witek | I'll ping OP5 folks, if they can give some advice from their deployment | 15:55 |
mayankkapoor | thanks | 15:56 |
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witek | I'm also very interested in your progress | 15:56 |
pandy_ | witek, thanks, looking forward op5 docs for deployment | 15:57 |
witek | pandy_: mayankkapoor: thanks | 15:57 |
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witek | #topic READMEs convertion | 15:57 |
*** openstack changes topic to "READMEs convertion (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:57 | |
witek | it seems we have to convert our main READMEs to rst | 15:57 |
witek | otherwise we won't be able to create new releases | 15:58 |
witek | I just noticed I have linked wrong story | 15:58 |
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witek | the right one: | 15:59 |
witek | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2002163 | 15:59 |
witek | https://review.openstack.org/572764 | 15:59 |
witek | here attempt to create one | 15:59 |
witek | if you have some time please pick up a repo, add a task and convert | 16:00 |
witek | I have to wrap up now | 16:00 |
witek | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
witek | see you next week | 16:00 |
koji | thanks | 16:00 |
joadavis | thanks! | 16:00 |
witek | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 16:01:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-06-06-15.00.html | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-06-06-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-06-06-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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dougsz | thanks witek | 16:01 |
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pandy_ | thanks witek, dougsz & all :) | 16:14 |
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pandy_ | witek, please share docs if received from op5 to my mail ID, will ping in person | 16:15 |
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dansmith | #startmeeting nova-cells | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 6 17:00:05 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-cells)" | 17:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
tssurya | o/ | 17:00 |
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mriedem | o/ | 17:00 |
melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
dansmith | #topic bugs | 17:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova-cells)" | 17:00 | |
dansmith | any bugs people want to highlight? | 17:00 |
mriedem | there was the one yesterday... | 17:01 |
mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1773945 | 17:01 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1773945 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova client servers.list crashes with bad marker" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Surya Seetharaman (tssurya) | 17:01 |
tssurya | the revert fixes it ? | 17:01 |
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mriedem | i left a comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1773945/comments/9 | 17:01 |
tssurya | or should we also log if there is a NULL cell_mapping ? | 17:01 |
tssurya | ack | 17:01 |
mriedem | the novaclient revert fixes a specific problem in the client | 17:01 |
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dansmith | yeah, I think it's legit to log an error if the mapping is null so that the operator can fix it up | 17:02 |
mriedem | and raise 500 | 17:02 |
mriedem | ? | 17:02 |
dansmith | yeah | 17:02 |
mriedem | ok | 17:02 |
dansmith | because it's legit internal "we screwed up" error | 17:02 |
dansmith | tssurya: are you going to do that or do you want me to? | 17:03 |
dansmith | happy to do it if you want, | 17:03 |
tssurya | I can to do it | 17:03 |
dansmith | but don't want to steal it away :) | 17:03 |
dansmith | okay | 17:03 |
tssurya | :) | 17:03 |
dansmith | any other bugs? | 17:03 |
tssurya | nope | 17:03 |
tssurya | I mean from my side no | 17:04 |
dansmith | #topic open reviews | 17:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to "open reviews (Meeting topic: nova-cells)" | 17:04 | |
dansmith | so the main one in my head is tssurya's down-cell spec | 17:04 |
dansmith | which is up against the deadline tomorrow, right? | 17:04 |
tssurya | yea, | 17:04 |
tssurya | I am currently updating it | 17:04 |
dansmith | okay cool, ping us when it's up so we can make sure to jump on it | 17:04 |
tssurya | based on mriedem's comments | 17:04 |
tssurya | yep thanks! | 17:05 |
* bauzas just sits at the back | 17:05 | |
dansmith | I didn't really have anything else to add to mriedem's comments after our discussion yesterday | 17:05 |
tssurya | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560042/ | 17:05 |
melwitt | there's my count quotas with placement spec (which needs an update) but, I thought we can't have that because of the lack of type/owner in placement. is that everyone else's understanding too? | 17:05 |
tssurya | dansmith has already told his opinion | 17:05 |
tssurya | would be nice to get the opinion of others | 17:05 |
tssurya | I agree its computing intensive | 17:06 |
dansmith | melwitt: yeah at this point, I think you're looking at a dependent spec for some placement api changes and can't really see that happening alongside all the stuff we discussed yesterday on the migrator thing | 17:06 |
* melwitt nods | 17:06 | |
dansmith | tssurya: let's ping jay after this to get him to weigh in on that | 17:07 |
tssurya | dansmith: ack | 17:07 |
dansmith | any other open reviews to highlight? | 17:08 |
dansmith | #topic open discussion | 17:08 |
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mriedem | heal_allocations CLI has a +2 from gibi and i just need to get jay to come back on it | 17:08 |
mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565886/ | 17:08 |
mriedem | sounds like belmiro might already be using it? | 17:09 |
mriedem | tssurya: ^? | 17:09 |
tssurya | yes | 17:09 |
tssurya | :D | 17:09 |
dansmith | heh | 17:09 |
tssurya | it fixed what we wanted to, thanks | 17:09 |
dansmith | cern is already using rocky, they just don't want to call it rocky | 17:09 |
dansmith | from the sound of it | 17:09 |
mriedem | tssurya: i also wanted to find out about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/569247/ | 17:09 |
tssurya | dansmith: well said :) | 17:09 |
dansmith | heh | 17:09 |
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mriedem | that was an attempt to optimize the scheduler pulling all instances from all hosts every scheduling request | 17:09 |
melwitt | I was wondering, have we got any info about the nova-net => neutron migration and whether or not it's okay for us to remove some nova-net REST APIs this cycle? or if we should defer those to stein? | 17:09 |
mriedem | which you guys said was slower now | 17:09 |
dansmith | melwitt: I thought they said in yvr that they wanted us to wait? | 17:10 |
tssurya | mriedem: we haven't had time to look at this recently, I will comment on the spec once we apply this | 17:10 |
dansmith | melwitt: but that we could do the api bits because they don't use those | 17:10 |
mriedem | tssurya: i posted some test results in that patch and from my devstack env it didn't seem to make a difference, but i could maybe just need more computes or fake instances to hit the right scale to see a difference | 17:10 |
melwitt | dansmith: tssurya was going to double-check from what I remember last week? | 17:10 |
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tssurya | melwitt: for us after I asked belmiro he said he is ok to remove nova-net REST APIs | 17:10 |
mriedem | yeah i'm also wondering about the nova-net specific APIs | 17:10 |
melwitt | about whether the api bits are fair game and won't hurt the safety net | 17:10 |
melwitt | tssurya: okay, cool. thanks | 17:11 |
mriedem | tssurya: has anyone at cern done an actual audit of the impacted APIs? | 17:11 |
dansmith | we asked belmiro about apis point-blank in yvr and he said he was cool with it | 17:11 |
mriedem | because it's not all os-fping | 17:11 |
tssurya | mriedem: I pointed the etherpad to him, he said he will comment on each of it | 17:11 |
tssurya | I will remidn him again | 17:11 |
mriedem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-network-removal-rocky | 17:11 |
mriedem | ah ok | 17:11 |
mriedem | that's what i'm looking for, thanks | 17:11 |
tssurya | remind* | 17:11 |
mriedem | like, os-networks worries me | 17:11 |
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mriedem | the various os-floating-ips ones don't since cells v1 didn't support floating ips | 17:12 |
mriedem | or security groups | 17:12 |
dansmith | mriedem: none of those apis are enabled for multiple cells, and since they're working on v2, I can't imagine any of them get touched at all | 17:12 |
mriedem | ok | 17:12 |
mriedem | this meeting is logged so i can say i warned everyone | 17:12 |
dansmith | like os-networks/add . can't possibly do the right thing | 17:12 |
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dansmith | it won't add it in the right db, nor talk to the right nova-network daemon, etc | 17:13 |
mriedem | melwitt: so you're going to drop the -W from my os-fping patch? | 17:13 |
tssurya | speaking of meeting being logged, I know I brought up nova service-list --cell yesterday, but my team wanted to know if there was an easy CLI way of knowing which cell the instance is in | 17:13 |
melwitt | that's a good point. would still be reassuring the get belmiro's ack on that etherpad if he can spare any time | 17:13 |
melwitt | mriedem: yes | 17:13 |
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tssurya | melwitt: he is not here this week, I will ensure he gives his nod on MOnday | 17:14 |
tssurya | Monday* | 17:14 |
mriedem | does list_cells list instances too with an option? | 17:14 |
dansmith | verify_instance | 17:14 |
dansmith | will show the name and uuid of the cell | 17:14 |
dansmith | that the instance is in | 17:14 |
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tssurya | dansmith: oh totally forgot we had that command | 17:15 |
melwitt | thanks tssurya | 17:15 |
dansmith | okay, anything else? | 17:16 |
tssurya | not from me, | 17:16 |
mriedem | nope | 17:16 |
tssurya | except thanks for the summit time praises | 17:16 |
dansmith | oh jeez, | 17:17 |
dansmith | mriedem was just fawning all over you to belmiro | 17:17 |
dansmith | it was embarrassing | 17:17 |
tssurya | I heard you did too ;) | 17:17 |
dansmith | oh | 17:17 |
melwitt | haha | 17:17 |
dansmith | maybe :) | 17:17 |
dansmith | haha | 17:17 |
tssurya | and so did melwitt | 17:17 |
tssurya | hehe | 17:17 |
tssurya | thanks a lot! | 17:17 |
dansmith | okay, mushy stuff aside, sounds like we're done... | 17:18 |
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dansmith | #endmeeting | 17:18 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 17:18:44 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:18 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2018/nova_cells.2018-06-06-17.00.html | 17:18 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2018/nova_cells.2018-06-06-17.00.txt | 17:18 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2018/nova_cells.2018-06-06-17.00.log.html | 17:18 |
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