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| kaz | hi | 05:31 |
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| reedip | 0/ | 05:35 |
| kaz | reedip: hi | 05:35 |
| reedip | hi kaz | 05:35 |
| kaz | #startmeeting taas | 05:35 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 24 05:35:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kaz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:35 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:35 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:35 |
| reedip | I think we can drop an email for the future of TaaS | 05:35 |
| yamamoto | hi | 05:35 |
| reedip | as discussed last week | 05:35 |
| kaz | dorp? | 05:36 |
| kaz | drop? | 05:36 |
| kaz | what does 'drop' mean? | 05:37 |
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| reedip | send an email | 05:37 |
| kaz | do you mean we can send an email to OpenStack ML? | 05:38 |
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| yamamoto | have any of you heard anything from anil or vinay since then? | 05:53 |
| kaz | yamamoto: hi | 05:53 |
| kaz | no | 05:53 |
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| kaz | How can we clarify the procedure for joining Neutron Stadium? | 06:11 |
| kaz | does anyone have any idea? | 06:14 |
| yamamoto | clarify to who? | 06:14 |
| kaz | to us | 06:15 |
| kaz | i think we need concrete action items. | 06:16 |
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| yamamoto | kaz: something like this? https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs/blob/master/specs/stadium/queens/neutron-vpnaas.rst | 06:23 |
| yamamoto | i guess we should make the project itself working first though. either wait for anil and vinay coming back, or take it over. | 06:25 |
| kaz | yamamoto: yes, we should create and manage like that. | 06:25 |
| yamamoto | i think i know another email of anil. let me try to ping him via it. | 06:26 |
| kaz | yamamoto: ok | 06:26 |
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| kaz | It' time to close IRC meeting. | 06:29 |
| kaz | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 06:30 |
| kaz | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 24 06:30:26 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2018/taas.2018-01-24-05.35.html | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2018/taas.2018-01-24-05.35.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2018/taas.2018-01-24-05.35.log.html | 06:30 |
| kaz | thank you, bye. | 06:30 |
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| alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 24 14:00:49 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| alexchadin | hi | 14:01 |
| hidekazu | hi | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | Agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#01.2F24.2F2018 | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: let's wait 5 minutes for other people? | 14:01 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: yes | 14:02 |
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| alexchadin | hidekazu: I hope we close most of Queens blueprints :) | 14:03 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: we may need to have meeting at more asian european friendly time. | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: I agree | 14:03 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: lets add it to ptg agenda. | 14:04 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: done | 14:04 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: thanks. | 14:04 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: I've added it to "What should be improved" section | 14:05 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: i confirmed. | 14:06 |
| alexchadin | well, 5 minutes passed, let's move on | 14:06 |
| alexchadin | #topic Announcements | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:06 | |
| alexchadin | We're going to release queens-3 today. | 14:06 |
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| alexchadin | once zone migration, storage spec and strategy requirements are merged, I will create release | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | Call for Presentations is opened, deadline is February 8th | 14:08 |
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| alexchadin | hidekazu: do you have any ideas about presentations? | 14:10 |
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| hidekazu | alexchadin: unfortunately no. | 14:10 |
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| hidekazu | alexchadin: do you have project update session? | 14:11 |
| adisky__ | hi | 14:11 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: hi | 14:11 |
| adisky__ | sorry for joining late | 14:11 |
| hidekazu | adisky__: hi | 14:11 |
| hidekazu | adisky__: i heard it snowed even in india. | 14:12 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: I haven't applied for PU yet | 14:12 |
| adisky__ | hidekazu: yes it snows in india as well but at highert altitudes :) | 14:12 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: i see | 14:12 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: I'm not sure if I go to Vancouver | 14:13 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: i can not go summit without having session. | 14:13 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: hidekazu : we should have a project update session as two new strategies will be there in queens | 14:14 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: I will apply for PU :) | 14:14 |
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| hidekazu | alexchadin: nice | 14:15 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: will you go to PTG? | 14:15 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: i will try my best, but our company does not make things clear so early :) | 14:16 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: ah, then let me know if you get confirmation | 14:17 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: sure | 14:17 |
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| alexchadin | PTL nominations starts on 29th January. | 14:18 |
| alexchadin | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 14:18 |
| alexchadin | I'll apply my candidacy | 14:19 |
| alexchadin | since this project takes 80% of my work time | 14:19 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: +1 | 14:20 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: 80% nice | 14:20 |
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| alexchadin | We need to work on adding PTG topics here. #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-watcher-ptg | 14:21 |
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| alexchadin | hidekazu: thank you for your contribution to the topics | 14:22 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: we need discussion. | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | I continue to filling them up | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: I agree | 14:22 |
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| alexchadin | adisky__: I would be happy if you add something you want to share with us :) | 14:24 |
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| adisky__ | alexchadin: i will add the scaling up things, that we were discussing | 14:24 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: any feedback is welcome | 14:24 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: +1 | 14:25 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: and i was thinking should we increase watcher optimizations to containers also?? | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | I will complete list of blueprints to discuss each of them on PTG | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: ah, that's old question :) | 14:25 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: yea, but i dont know the answer | 14:26 |
| hidekazu | haha | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: hidekazu: can we migrate containers in live or cold mode at least | 14:26 |
| hidekazu | adisky__: you can add it to ptg agenda. | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | ? | 14:26 |
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| adisky__ | alexchadin: i dont think a direct approach is available | 14:27 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: adisky__: kubernetes is container orchestration standard. | 14:27 |
| hidekazu | kubernetes has self-healing. | 14:27 |
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| adisky__ | hidekazu: yes, but i think kubernetes do not migrate containers, its spawns up new one with the image | 14:28 |
| hidekazu | adisky__: i do not know container can migrate. | 14:29 |
| adisky__ | and there are projects like zun, which do not use kubernetes can levarage watcher to do optimization | 14:29 |
| adisky__ | hidekazu: same here | 14:29 |
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| alexchadin | I propose for us to get more knowledge about self-healing in containers and discuss it on PTG | 14:30 |
| hidekazu | adisky__: kill and spawn new container is only way. personally i do not believe zun becomes used widely. | 14:30 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: +1 | 14:30 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: ok | 14:30 |
| alexchadin | we should be prepared to get valuable results of PTG | 14:31 |
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| adisky__ | alexchadin: hidekazu: i think we should also think about some particular strategies that focus on NFV and Edge computing, so that watcher used by more companies in production | 14:31 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: you want to use neutron somehow in Watcher? | 14:32 |
| hidekazu | adisky__: you read last discussion topic?? | 14:32 |
| adisky__ | hidekazu: no. | 14:32 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: hidekazu has already written about NFV in Agenda :) | 14:33 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: At this point i don't know, need to research! | 14:33 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: yea, i see | 14:33 |
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| alexchadin | adisky__: I've got requests from my colleagues and manager, I'll add them too | 14:34 |
| alexchadin | Review Action Items | 14:35 |
| alexchadin | Watcher | 14:35 |
| alexchadin | Strategy requirements needs final core review | 14:35 |
| alexchadin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522538/ | 14:35 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: if you are not travelling to summit and have any ideas related to watcher, please suggest them as watcher will gain more popularity if no. of sessions is high. | 14:35 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: sure | 14:36 |
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| alexchadin | adisky__: after PTG we will announce main tasks for Rocky cycle | 14:36 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin:+1 | 14:37 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: I've missed you w+1 | 14:37 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: thanks! | 14:37 |
| alexchadin | Add baremetal strategy validation needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537356/ | 14:37 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: could you please review it? | 14:38 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: +1 | 14:39 |
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| alexchadin | adisky__: we need to merge it ASAP | 14:40 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: today itself?? | 14:40 |
| alexchadin | Add zone migration strategy is going to be merged | 14:41 |
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| alexchadin | adisky__: I would like to make release today | 14:42 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: zone migration will have merge conflict with strategy requirement. | 14:43 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: i did +2 | 14:43 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: why? | 14:43 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: both updates strategy base | 14:44 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: ah, but not same line. | 14:45 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: there is no intersections | 14:45 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: yeah, i misunderstood. | 14:45 |
| alexchadin | Watcher CLI | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | Add strategy state command needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523422/ | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | it should be merged as well | 14:46 |
| hidekazu | 8 weeks ago! | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: perfect things shouldn't be updated :P | 14:47 |
| alexchadin | I will update blueprints and releasenotes by end of this week | 14:47 |
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| alexchadin | I think that's enough for today | 14:49 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: i reviewed, at one go it looks fine :) | 14:49 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: one nit | 14:50 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: check out] | 14:51 |
| hidekazu | bye | 14:51 |
| adisky__ | bye | 14:52 |
| alexchadin | bye | 14:53 |
| alexchadin | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 24 14:53:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2018/watcher.2018-01-24-14.00.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2018/watcher.2018-01-24-14.00.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2018/watcher.2018-01-24-14.00.log.html | 14:53 |
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| witek | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 24 15:00:23 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| witek | Hello everyone | 15:00 |
| fouadben | Hi all, | 15:00 |
| amofakhar | Hello | 15:00 |
| sc | hi there | 15:00 |
| haruki | hello | 15:01 |
| witek | Agenda as usual here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
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| witek | #topic deadlines | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "deadlines (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:02 | |
| witek | tomorrow is the queens-milestone-3 | 15:02 |
| witek | I have already released python-monascaclient | 15:02 |
| witek | and cut the stable/queens branch | 15:02 |
| witek | for this repo | 15:02 |
| witek | i will also tag the other repositories in the next days | 15:03 |
| witek | although we're not bound by the official feature freeze | 15:04 |
| witek | it's a good idea not to include bigger changes at that point | 15:04 |
| witek | and wait until stable branches for all repos are cut | 15:04 |
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| sc | OK | 15:04 |
| joadavis_m | Sounds good | 15:05 |
| amofakhar | good | 15:05 |
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| witek | if some change should come in anyway, please communicate at irc or mailing list | 15:06 |
| sc | the mailing list it's almost dead | 15:07 |
| witek | but it works :) | 15:07 |
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| witek | openstack-dev list | 15:08 |
| sc | ok, I was thinking monasca mailing list | 15:08 |
| sc | sorry | 15:08 |
| witek | launchpad list will be deactivated next week, as agreed last time | 15:08 |
| witek | from other dates, Call for Presentations for Vancouver is open | 15:09 |
| witek | until Feb 8 | 15:09 |
| sc | witek: do you like to propose the workshop again? | 15:10 |
| witek | not sure | 15:11 |
| witek | I thought about heat auto-scaling with Monasca, but haven't played that through | 15:11 |
| witek | as workshop session | 15:12 |
| cbellucci | auto-scaling would be a great use case for the workshop | 15:12 |
| sc | I used it in the past with not that much success with helion, may be with other distros or no distro i.e. devstack | 15:13 |
| sc | it's hard to find the track where to place monasca, take a look at: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-categories | 15:14 |
| witek | you're right, workshops are not listed here, I guess | 15:16 |
| sc | yes, generally speaking it looks more a user oriented summit | 15:17 |
| cbellucci | workshop should be available in the form to submit a presentation | 15:17 |
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| witek | ok, sleep over it, and if you have some ideas how we can promote Monasca and would like to share it, let's come back to that next week | 15:19 |
| witek | #topic bug triage | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug triage (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:19 | |
| sc | grand | 15:19 |
| witek | we have one new bug without assignee | 15:20 |
| witek | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001485 | 15:20 |
| witek | it's about InfluxDB version detection in API | 15:20 |
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| witek | as Kevan noticed, we don't need `SHOW DIAGNOSTICS` for that, so we can improve the code | 15:21 |
| witek | also, the version is checked now at the start of API | 15:22 |
| witek | and InfluxDB could be not available at that point | 15:22 |
| witek | any volunteers? | 15:23 |
| witek | if not, anyone can pick it up in spare time | 15:24 |
| witek | just assign the task to yourself | 15:24 |
| witek | #topic tempest-tests-plugin | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tempest-tests-plugin (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:25 | |
| witek | chandankumar is ready with his changes | 15:25 |
| witek | on splitting the tempest tests | 15:25 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/projects:openstack/monasca++topic:goal-split-tempest-plugins+status:open | 15:26 |
| witek | great thanks for that | 15:26 |
| witek | documentation for running the tests locally is also added | 15:26 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530454/12/devstack/README.rst | 15:26 |
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| witek | it will also affect monasca-docker repo, as the tests are being removed from monasca-api and monasca-log-api | 15:27 |
| sc | I'll test in devstack ASAP | 15:28 |
| witek | nice | 15:28 |
| witek | #topic ptg | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ptg (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:29 | |
| witek | someone has asked about the schedule last week | 15:29 |
| witek | the proposed track layout is here: | 15:29 |
| witek | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-January/126335.html | 15:29 |
| witek | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRmqAAQZA1rIzlNJpVp-X60-z6jMn_95BKWtf0csGT9LkDharY-mppI25KjiuRasmK413MxXcoSU7ki/pubhtml?gid=1374855307&single=true | 15:29 |
| sc | I got my ticket today | 15:30 |
| witek | as planned, Monasca sessions will be on Wednesday-Thursday | 15:30 |
| joadavis_m | Awesome. I'd missed seeing that come through | 15:30 |
| joadavis_m | I've booked travel so I'll be there Mon through Thurs (same as jgu) | 15:30 |
| witek | great | 15:31 |
| witek | we'll have full room :) | 15:31 |
| sc | I have to find out if getting up and down from Galway is an option or it's better to book a hotel | 15:32 |
| witek | also, I want to set up remote call for people not being able to travel | 15:32 |
| witek | there is special rate in the conference hotel | 15:32 |
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| amofakhar | I and one of my colleagues will join you there too | 15:33 |
| witek | great | 15:34 |
| witek | please add your names to the etherpad | 15:34 |
| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-ptg-rocky | 15:34 |
| amofakhar | ok | 15:34 |
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| witek | also, we'll have to start working on preparing the agenda | 15:35 |
| witek | some items are already there | 15:35 |
| witek | I don't have any more topics for today | 15:36 |
| witek | if you have some, please go ahead | 15:36 |
| witek | if not, I'll be winding up | 15:38 |
| witek | thank you everyone | 15:38 |
| witek | bye, bye | 15:38 |
| amofakhar | Thank you | 15:38 |
| amofakhar | bye every one | 15:38 |
| haruki | thank you, bye | 15:39 |
| joadavis_m | Bye | 15:39 |
| witek | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
| cbellucci | bye | 15:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 24 15:39:16 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-01-24-15.00.html | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-01-24-15.00.txt | 15:39 |
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| ying_zuo | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 24 20:00:09 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ying_zuo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| ying_zuo | Hi everyone o/ | 20:00 |
| e0ne_ | hi | 20:00 |
| betherly | o/ | 20:00 |
| ying_zuo | #topic Queens-3 milestone release | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens-3 milestone release (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| ying_zuo | I am going to cut the release tonight | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | are there any last minute urgent patches need to get in before I do so? | 20:01 |
| e0ne_ | does it mean that we'll face feature freeze right after it? | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | yes | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | no feature related patches will be merged after that | 20:02 |
| e0ne_ | ok, just wanted to confirm because there is nothing about it at https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | until RC-2 is cut | 20:02 |
| e0ne_ | why rc1, not rc1? | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | Feature freeze is listed in the same time slot as Q3 | 20:03 |
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| ying_zuo | I think RC2 is safer | 20:03 |
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| ying_zuo | just in case | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | but usually the changes upto RC1 will be included in Queens | 20:04 |
| e0ne_ | technically, after rc1 master branch will be opened for Rocky | 20:04 |
| ying_zuo | yes | 20:04 |
| ying_zuo | #topic Open Discussion | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:06 | |
| e0ne_ | ying_zuo: are you going to create etherpad for PTG topics proposals? | 20:07 |
| ying_zuo | right. I will do that | 20:08 |
| ying_zuo | do you have in mind at the moment? | 20:08 |
| ying_zuo | do you have anything in mind | 20:08 |
| ying_zuo | anything you hope to see different from the last time? | 20:09 |
| e0ne_ | last PTG was good for me | 20:09 |
| e0ne_ | we discussed a lot of topics | 20:10 |
| ying_zuo | yes | 20:10 |
| ying_zuo | the discussion and going through the blueprints | 20:11 |
| ying_zuo | this is the perfect time to propose blueprints for Rocky | 20:11 |
| ying_zuo | if you are thinking of adding any features, please feel free to write up a blueprint | 20:12 |
| e0ne_ | ok, will do if any | 20:12 |
| ying_zuo | using this template https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/template | 20:12 |
| e0ne_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/template | 20:13 |
| ying_zuo | alright. thanks everyone for joining! | 20:15 |
| ying_zuo | see you next week | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 20:15 |
| e0ne_ | see you next week! | 20:15 |
| ying_zuo | #endmeeting | 20:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 24 20:15:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-01-24-20.00.html | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-01-24-20.00.txt | 20:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-01-24-20.00.log.html | 20:15 |
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| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 24 21:00:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:00 |
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| tssurya_ | o/ | 21:00 |
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| melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:01 |
| melwitt | sorry I thought maybe we were talking in #openstack-nova instead of meeting | 21:01 |
| dansmith | #topic bugs | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:01 | |
| dansmith | I think we already said there are no new major bugs to discuss, right? | 21:01 |
| mriedem | right | 21:02 |
| dansmith | #topic open reviews | 21:02 |
| belmoreira | We just run out into something... not sure if its a bug | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open reviews (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:02 | |
| dansmith | anything here? | 21:02 |
| mriedem | nope, | 21:03 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: okay let's just pile all your stuff into open discussion, which I'm assuming we can just roll to | 21:03 |
| mriedem | just rechecking the alternate host patch | 21:03 |
| dansmith | unless anyone has anything here | 21:03 |
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| dansmith | cool | 21:03 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 21:03 |
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| dansmith | belmoreira: okay, first off, what's the issue you just hit? | 21:03 |
| belmoreira | currently our instance_mappings in nova_api DB doens't have any cell mapping (it's null)... when migrating to cellsV2 will need to do the correct mapping. However, the table is already populated and it fails to update the correct cell (change null to the right one) | 21:04 |
| belmoreira | we are in Newton and nova_api DB is required | 21:04 |
| belmoreira | are we missing something? | 21:05 |
| dansmith | you're using newton nova-manage to do the instance mappings and it's not filling that field, is that right? | 21:05 |
| dansmith | with --cell_uuid ? | 21:06 |
| belmoreira | We were testing this week with master and it didn't update the cell_uuid | 21:06 |
| belmoreira | tssurya_? | 21:06 |
| tssurya_ | yes, we tested this with master | 21:06 |
| tssurya_ | and we had provided the --cell_uuid | 21:07 |
| dansmith | that seems really odd, I don't know why that would be | 21:07 |
| mriedem | probably because of the marker? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | saying you've already mapped everything | 21:07 |
| tssurya_ | yea that or the duplicate entry check ? | 21:08 |
| dansmith | does map_instances use a marker like that? | 21:08 |
| * dansmith looks | 21:08 | |
| mriedem | it does | 21:08 |
| dansmith | ah, then just nuke that and try again I guess | 21:08 |
| mriedem | cell-uuid is required for map_instances, so i'm not sure how the instance mappings would have a null cell mapping entry | 21:08 |
| mriedem | unless it was a bug in the CLI in newton? | 21:08 |
| belmoreira | in Newton we don't have any cellV2 defined | 21:09 |
| dansmith | idk | 21:09 |
| mriedem | do you see an instance mapping with INSTANCE_MIGRATION_MARKER as the project_id? | 21:09 |
| belmoreira | however nova_api DB is required and new instances have an entry in instances_mapping | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i don't see how you could run map_instances without a cell_uuid | 21:09 |
| mriedem | to a valid cell mapping | 21:09 |
| tssurya_ | okay so to test the scenario, we ran it on master with a --cell_uuid option | 21:10 |
| dansmith | certainly not based on the master code, but maybe it was different in newton | 21:10 |
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| tssurya_ | we manually set the value in the DB as NULL | 21:10 |
| tssurya_ | to recreate the scenario | 21:10 |
| belmoreira | mriedem we will run "map_instances" only when upgrading to Pike | 21:11 |
| dansmith | you need it in ocata too | 21:11 |
| dansmith | even though it's all one cell | 21:11 |
| mriedem | ok i guess you'll have to find a valid recreate for this, | 21:11 |
| belmoreira | dansmith, true | 21:11 |
| mriedem | that doesn't involve manually messing with the db | 21:11 |
| mriedem | b/c i do'nt know how this would happen | 21:11 |
| mriedem | are you using simple_cell_setup at all? | 21:12 |
| dansmith | I hope not :) | 21:12 |
| dansmith | that's toootally not for situations like this :P | 21:12 |
| melwitt | to be clear, map_instances isn't going to fill in a NULL field for you. it will only create new instance_mappings records. right? | 21:12 |
| belmoreira | but is the same thing. Then we need to map again the instances to the real cells when upgrading to Pike and cellsV2 | 21:13 |
| tssurya_ | melwitt : yes | 21:13 |
| belmoreira | in ocata everything will be mapped to only one | 21:13 |
| melwitt | so the question is, how did you get any instance_mappings records with a NULL field in the first place | 21:13 |
| mriedem | i think i understand what belmoreira is saying now, | 21:13 |
| dansmith | ah yeah I guess that's right | 21:13 |
| mriedem | in ocata, they have like 50 child cells, | 21:13 |
| belmoreira | melwitt newton with any cellV2 defined | 21:13 |
| mriedem | but they really only have 1 global cellsv2 cell right? | 21:13 |
| mriedem | so if you map instances in ocata, they go to the global single cellsv2 cell, | 21:14 |
| mriedem | but in pike, | 21:14 |
| mriedem | you want to map the instances in the separate child cells, | 21:14 |
| mriedem | but they are already mapped to the global thing | 21:14 |
| belmoreira | mriedem yes | 21:14 |
| mriedem | correct? | 21:14 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:14 |
| mriedem | well, | 21:14 |
| melwitt | oh, I understand now too | 21:14 |
| dansmith | yeah, but at that point you can just nuke all the mappings and recreate them right? | 21:14 |
| melwitt | it wasn't NULL but it was all to one global cell | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: yeah, that or provide some --overwrite option to the CLI | 21:15 |
| mriedem | to create or update | 21:15 |
| belmoreira | dansmith we were thinking on that as well. Just asking if there was a different way, ir the nova-manage instance mapping just could update the cell if already sees the instance | 21:15 |
| tssurya_ | dansmith : we already thought of nuking and recreating | 21:15 |
| dansmith | yeah I actually thought the code would create or get-and-then-save, but it doesn't | 21:15 |
| dansmith | updating the cell of an instance is kindof a dangerous thing if it's wrong, which might be why this doesn't do that now, but I can't think of any real reason to not do that | 21:16 |
| mriedem | the fake marker in the instance_mappings table will also cause problems | 21:16 |
| dansmith | if you ended up with two cells pointing at the same db, for example, you could re-map and mess struff up | 21:16 |
| dansmith | oh right | 21:17 |
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| belmoreira | melwitt all instance_mappings created in Ocata have the cell_uuid of the global but the old entries from newton is null | 21:17 |
| dansmith | so we could allow delete_cell --force to remove instance mappings too, | 21:18 |
| dansmith | and then when they go to delete their global cell, it will nuke the instance mappings too | 21:18 |
| mriedem | i think that's probably safer | 21:18 |
| melwitt | belmoreira: oh, odd. there must be a bug in newton then. we need to investigate that | 21:18 |
| dansmith | we have --force right now for hosts but not instance mappings | 21:18 |
| mriedem | note that the marker mapping has a null cell mapping field | 21:19 |
| tssurya_ | dansmith : yes mappings go only after archive | 21:19 |
| mriedem | so delete_cell --force wouldn't remove the marker either... | 21:19 |
| dansmith | yeah the marker is going to be a problem regardless | 21:19 |
| dansmith | we probably need a map_instances --reset | 21:20 |
| dansmith | which will avoid the marker | 21:20 |
| belmoreira | don't know what the marker is. Will check tomorrow | 21:20 |
| mriedem | map_instances can run in chunks | 21:20 |
| mriedem | until complete, | 21:20 |
| mriedem | so there is a marker for knowing where to start next | 21:20 |
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| belmoreira | mriedem thanks | 21:20 |
| dansmith | so, belmoreira tssurya_, can one of you file bugs for these two new flags to the cli? | 21:21 |
| tssurya_ | dansmith : sure | 21:21 |
| dansmith | okay so is that all we need to discuss on this map_instances thing? | 21:21 |
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| belmoreira | From us I think so | 21:22 |
| dansmith | okay, so what else did you have? the cell-is-down thing? | 21:22 |
| tssurya_ | just to be sure the new flags you mean are reset and force right ? | 21:22 |
| mriedem | 1. reset marker on map_instances | 21:22 |
| dansmith | tssurya_: for map_instances and delete_cell respectively, yeah | 21:22 |
| mriedem | 2. remove instance mappings for a deleted cell | 21:22 |
| tssurya_ | dansmith : got it | 21:22 |
| tssurya_ | mriedem thanks | 21:22 |
| dansmith | tssurya_: we already have --force on delete_cell but it's only active for hosts, so it needs to do instance_mappings too | 21:23 |
| belmoreira | when moving to Pike with cellsV2 we need to have a solution for a cell going down. | 21:23 |
| dansmith | I'm quite sure we previously said something about never wanting to let you nuke a cell with instances in it, but alas, whatever :) | 21:23 |
| tssurya_ | dansmith : yea I remember that patch from takashi | 21:23 |
| mriedem | belmoreira: well the solution probably depends on what you need for functionality out of the API | 21:24 |
| dansmith | and it depends on what the API people want in the way of communicating a partial result | 21:24 |
| belmoreira | understand | 21:25 |
| mriedem | yeah because i think all we have in the api db is the instance uuid, cell and host | 21:25 |
| dansmith | pretty much yeah | 21:25 |
| belmoreira | for us the uuid will be enough | 21:25 |
| dansmith | so I expect we'll just need to return {uuid: $uuid, state: UNKNOWN} or something for each instance | 21:25 |
| belmoreira | but I can't hide instances from the users | 21:26 |
| dansmith | but then the api layer will need to return 234: only part of your stuff was found, yo. | 21:26 |
| belmoreira | is looking into the request_specs a crazy idea? | 21:26 |
| dansmith | yes | 21:26 |
| mriedem | there is a bunch of stuff we'll need to return UNKNOWN for | 21:26 |
| dansmith | :) | 21:26 |
| belmoreira | :) | 21:26 |
| belmoreira | crazy yes, but it could work... just when a cell is down | 21:27 |
| mriedem | i guess i forgot about request specs | 21:28 |
| dansmith | I don't know how much we could get out of reqspec that would be accurate, so I'd have to see, | 21:28 |
| dansmith | but reqspec requires de-json'ing every instance | 21:28 |
| dansmith | which would be a lot of CPU overhead to incur when a cell is down | 21:28 |
| dansmith | and we couldn't get all the info out of it that we need I think | 21:28 |
| mriedem | not so bad for GET on a specific instance, | 21:28 |
| mriedem | but for listing instances, yes definitely | 21:28 |
| dansmith | and I'm also not sure it'll always be accurate.. I can't remember if we update reqspec after a resize, for example | 21:29 |
| mriedem | the accuracy of reqspecs is definitely dubious | 21:29 |
| dansmith | since resize happens in the cell late, I think we don't | 21:29 |
| * mriedem refers to all of the TODOs in the conductor code | 21:29 | |
| dansmith | yeah, reqspecs are a big mess | 21:29 |
| mriedem | looks like we do update the reqspec for the new flavor during resize, | 21:30 |
| mriedem | in conductor | 21:30 |
| mriedem | and for rebuild if you're changing the image, in the api | 21:30 |
| dansmith | and if the resize fails? I guess we have a chance to fix it when you revert or confirm? | 21:31 |
| mriedem | yeah i don't see anything about fixing the reqspec if the resize fails, or you revert | 21:31 |
| dansmith | anyway, this is about listing and I think listing and de-jsoning all that stuff for a whole cell is a bit of a problem | 21:31 |
| dansmith | so one option I guess, | 21:32 |
| dansmith | is to just fake out anything we don't have and go forward with that | 21:32 |
| dansmith | knowing it's a bit of a lie, but we could do that fairly quickly | 21:32 |
| mriedem | yeah i think we're going to have to start with the quick and dirty options so we have *something* if a cell is down | 21:33 |
| dansmith | I dunno what to say about things like the flavor | 21:33 |
| dansmith | right, well, I thought that's what tssurya_ was going to do | 21:33 |
| dansmith | so we had something to argue over :) | 21:33 |
| belmoreira | I'm happy with "not available" | 21:33 |
| belmoreira | same for VM state, and all the others | 21:33 |
| mriedem | and then if we did try to use the requestspec for a single GET /servers/id, we then have to assess how much of the response could be wrong, and if we're going to spend a bunch of time updating code to make sure the reqspec is correct because it's now used in the API | 21:33 |
| dansmith | so we currently have a state of "unknown" for if the host is down I think | 21:33 |
| dansmith | but we still have things like flavor at that point | 21:34 |
| dansmith | mriedem: well, if we lie in the list, then returning different stuff on GET is kinda messy | 21:34 |
| tssurya_ | dansmith : yes that what we have started with, we have faked stuff, but yes stuck at fields lke flavor | 21:34 |
| dansmith | if we return a shell only in the list somehow, then the GET having details seems a little more legit to me | 21:34 |
| mriedem | dansmith: i don't mean lie in the list, | 21:34 |
| dansmith | tssurya_: ack, makes sense | 21:35 |
| mriedem | list would just return uuid and UNKNOWN for everything else, | 21:35 |
| dansmith | well, that's not going to work with our schema I'm sure | 21:35 |
| mriedem | with the uuid, you could at least to get some information for a specific instance using the reqspec, but that could be all wrong too | 21:35 |
| dansmith | we can't return UNKNOWN for a flavor that should be a dict | 21:35 |
| mriedem | right, we'd have to use something else that means unknown for non-strings | 21:35 |
| mriedem | None or {} or [] or -1 or whatever | 21:36 |
| dansmith | or we fill out a flavor object with all UNKNOWN properties, | 21:36 |
| dansmith | but we have no sentinel for integers | 21:36 |
| mriedem | -1 typically means unlimited :) | 21:36 |
| dansmith | which is terrible, | 21:36 |
| dansmith | and which will conflict for flavor things that actually use -1 and 0 and stuff | 21:36 |
| mriedem | -MAX_INT :) | 21:37 |
| dansmith | but that's fine, we can start with that and see how it goes | 21:37 |
| dansmith | they can at least use that locally while we argue | 21:37 |
| melwitt | cross reference with the flavors table? | 21:37 |
| dansmith | melwitt: can't | 21:37 |
| dansmith | we don't know which flavor look up in there, unless we decode the reqspec, which as pointed out, may be stale | 21:37 |
| dansmith | (and it's a lie since the flavor might have been redefined) | 21:38 |
| dansmith | we could pull the first flavor and just say everything in the cell is flavors[0] :P | 21:38 |
| mriedem | the reqspec has a serialized versoin of the flavor from when the instance was created, | 21:38 |
| melwitt | hehe | 21:38 |
| mriedem | like the instance itself | 21:38 |
| dansmith | ah yeah so if we're going to decode that we could just use that lie instead of making up a new one :) | 21:38 |
| dansmith | tssurya_: so I think you just need to post something, anything, document the things you know are controversial, and then let's go from there | 21:39 |
| dansmith | that was the point of the straw man | 21:39 |
| tssurya_ | sure I have been playing around with the above stuff | 21:39 |
| dansmith | we can point api people to it and they can say "I hate this so much" and then we can ask for alternatives :) | 21:39 |
| tssurya_ | on how to go about with the various fields | 21:39 |
| belmoreira | great, we will continue with this approach | 21:40 |
| melwitt | dansmith: are you saying post up a rough POC patch? | 21:40 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:40 |
| dansmith | melwitt: yes, | 21:40 |
| dansmith | that's the thing I'm saying we need to discuss (a strawman) | 21:40 |
| mriedem | "post up" isn't that gang slang? | 21:40 |
| melwitt | okay. so yeah, tssurya_ if you can post up a very rough draft POC patch to show a way we can do it, we can discuss it there more concretely | 21:40 |
| tssurya_ | cool then, will open a WIP | 21:40 |
| melwitt | gang slang? lol. | 21:41 |
| mriedem | https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=post%20up | 21:41 |
| melwitt | "propose" | 21:41 |
| mriedem | time to watch the wire again | 21:41 |
| tssurya_ | another thing we got stuck at was this - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/extended_volumes.py#L50 | 21:41 |
| tssurya_ | even if we manage to fill fake stuff and come out, | 21:42 |
| tssurya_ | again the connection failure stuff comes up | 21:42 |
| dansmith | that needs to be converted to use scatter/gather and then it can take a similar approach | 21:42 |
| tssurya_ | dansmith : ok | 21:42 |
| melwitt | mriedem: lol, nice. I had never heard of it before | 21:42 |
| mriedem | tssurya_: what's the issue? that we don't know which volumes are attached to which servers b/c we can't get BDMs? | 21:42 |
| tssurya_ | yea | 21:43 |
| mriedem | we could use cinder... | 21:43 |
| mriedem | but i don't know if there is a way to list volumes by instance_uuid in cinder as a filter, there might be | 21:43 |
| tssurya_ | basically that code again tries to query the DB which is down of course | 21:43 |
| dansmith | that's N calls to cinder for N instances right? | 21:43 |
| mriedem | if it's a list, i'm just saying for a show | 21:44 |
| mriedem | if we do anything | 21:44 |
| dansmith | that is only for list | 21:44 |
| mriedem | again, start small and just ignore the down cell and return [] | 21:44 |
| dansmith | agreed | 21:44 |
| mriedem | dansmith: i do'nt think so... | 21:44 |
| belmoreira | +1 | 21:44 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/extended_volumes.py#L40 | 21:44 |
| tssurya_ | mriedem : ok :d | 21:45 |
| dansmith | mriedem: doesn't use that helper | 21:45 |
| mriedem | ah | 21:45 |
| dansmith | only detail does, and it takes a list of servers and iterates over them | 21:45 |
| dansmith | the show needs to be graceful about not failing the whole show there though because it tries and fails to do the list | 21:46 |
| dansmith | the context is targeted there, so it needs to catch that and not explode | 21:46 |
| dansmith | else the returning of fake things isn't going to work | 21:46 |
| dansmith | tssurya_, belmoreira: okay what else? | 21:48 |
| belmoreira | about quotas... | 21:48 |
| belmoreira | What we are thinking is if we can't use the request_specs to calculate the quota of a project (challenging!!!) we will block the creation of new instances if the project has instances in cells that are down. | 21:48 |
| belmoreira | makes sense? | 21:48 |
| dansmith | that seems like a totally legit workaround to me | 21:48 |
| dansmith | it needs to be configurable, in [workarounds] | 21:49 |
| dansmith | as not everyone will want that of course | 21:49 |
| mriedem | that seems fine as a start to me also | 21:50 |
| melwitt | yeah, seems like that could be a good way to best-effort quota while cells are down | 21:50 |
| mriedem | although, | 21:50 |
| mriedem | when you go to create a server, how do you know any cells are down? | 21:50 |
| dansmith | we have to know if cells are down when.. | 21:50 |
| dansmith | yeah that | 21:50 |
| mriedem | since we don't have any status for cell mappings?/ | 21:50 |
| dansmith | but | 21:50 |
| melwitt | the scatter-gather will return sentinels for no response etc at least | 21:51 |
| dansmith | the scheduler has to get the host lists from all the cells to start, right? | 21:51 |
| dansmith | although not with placement anymore I guess.. not reliably overlapping the down cell | 21:51 |
| melwitt | (during the quota check) | 21:51 |
| mriedem | unless you're forcing a specific host, yeah | 21:51 |
| dansmith | melwitt: ah right because we do the quota check | 21:51 |
| dansmith | sweet | 21:51 |
| belmoreira | but the quota will be checked | 21:51 |
| dansmith | yep, totes | 21:52 |
| mriedem | so if the quota check scatter gather returns sentinels, fail? | 21:52 |
| mriedem | or, check to see if that project has instances in a downed cell? | 21:52 |
| dansmith | ...and this flag is asserted | 21:52 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah, if sentinels, then go on to check on instances in the down cell | 21:52 |
| mriedem | it's almost like we need a service group API heartbeat for cells... | 21:53 |
| dansmith | which we can do by checking mappings | 21:53 |
| dansmith | because our other servicegroup heartbeat thing works so well? | 21:53 |
| mriedem | totally | 21:53 |
| melwitt | wouldn't it be if sentinels then fall back to request_specs if workaround? | 21:53 |
| mriedem | if it were using zk | 21:53 |
| dansmith | either way, we'd have to have one thing in the cell dedicated to pumping that back up, which is a problem | 21:53 |
| dansmith | melwitt: no, not using reqspecs at all | 21:53 |
| dansmith | melwitt: if we do the quota check and find downed sentinels, then we quickly count the number of instances owned by the project in those downed cells | 21:54 |
| melwitt | oh. what do you mean by "check on instances in down cell" | 21:54 |
| dansmith | if that number is nonzero, then we refuse the build | 21:54 |
| mriedem | dansmith: i think i'm just proposing some kind of periodic at the top (scheduler?) that tries to target the cells every minute or something | 21:54 |
| melwitt | oh, I see | 21:54 |
| melwitt | for cores and ram you'd need request_spec | 21:54 |
| dansmith | mriedem: we have no single thing that can do that, we can have multiple schedulers now, and network partitions may make that not so straightforward | 21:55 |
| mriedem | this reminds me that we said in syndey we'd add a type to the allocations / consumers table in placement...and didn't | 21:55 |
| melwitt | er, nevermind. I think I'm not following the "nonzero, refuse the build". need to think more | 21:55 |
| dansmith | melwitt: we wouldn't care about cores and ram, because they have instances in the downed cell so we just punt | 21:55 |
| melwitt | got it | 21:55 |
| dansmith | mriedem: we said we would and then got into a big argument | 21:55 |
| dansmith | mriedem: and apparently there was a lot of disagreement on it | 21:55 |
| dansmith | and jay wasn't there | 21:56 |
| * mriedem adds it back to the ptg etherpad | 21:56 | |
| melwitt | yeah, we need the type to be able to use placement for the quota stuff | 21:56 |
| dansmith | anyway | 21:56 |
| dansmith | tssurya_: belmoreira: I say propose something for that, yeah | 21:56 |
| tssurya_ | dansmith : yep | 21:56 |
| belmoreira | yes, will do | 21:56 |
| dansmith | sweet | 21:56 |
| dansmith | is there anything else? we're about out of time | 21:57 |
| tssurya_ | I guess that's all for now ... | 21:57 |
| dansmith | okay, anything else can go back to the main channel | 21:57 |
| dansmith | last call.... | 21:57 |
| belmoreira | thanks a lot | 21:57 |
| dansmith | ...for alcohol | 21:57 |
| tssurya_ | thanks! | 21:58 |
| * dansmith said that for mriedem's benefit | 21:58 | |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 24 21:58:10 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2018/nova_cells.2018-01-24-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2018/nova_cells.2018-01-24-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2018/nova_cells.2018-01-24-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
| mriedem | ooo george thoroughgood refferences | 21:59 |
| mriedem | wow spelling | 21:59 |
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