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| pilgrimstack | o/ | 14:00 |
| tobberydberg | o/ | 14:05 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: do you have a meeting today? | 14:06 |
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| tobberydberg | Hi! Yes! Plan is to have that now ... I got caught up her a couple of minutes....sorry for that | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud-wg | 14:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 14:07:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | So, who is here for todays meeting? | 14:07 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: sure, didn't want to rush you :) | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | np =) | 14:08 |
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| tobberydberg | if we are too few here I believe that we might reschedule... | 14:09 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: I have a quick question in either case :) | 14:10 |
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| tobberydberg | Start with that then =) | 14:10 |
| tobberydberg | go ahead | 14:10 |
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| ildikov | tobberydberg: so I attend a research cloud conference early January in Sweden | 14:11 |
| ildikov | And they are interested in learning about the Passport program | 14:11 |
| ildikov | So I will have a short presentation | 14:11 |
| tobberydberg | cool | 14:11 |
| ildikov | And wanted to ask for some details that's relevant in that context | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | Where in sweden and what's the name of the conference? | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | sure | 14:12 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: sorry miss typed that one, the conference is in London | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | aha, ok ok | 14:13 |
| ildikov | I think I thought about your location, sorry :/ | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | hehe, np ildikov | 14:13 |
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| ildikov | tobberydberg: if you know anyone involved in that area that would be great | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | I guess you have seen this: https://www.openstack.org/videos/sydney-2017/wings-to-roam-any-cloud-join-the-openstack-global-passport-program-today | 14:15 |
| pilgrimstack | I have double meeting, I'm patially with you guys :) | 14:15 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: otherwise if you can just help out with content that helps too | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | might be useful for presenting/describing the PPP | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | ok pilgrimstack ... mig be that we reschedule this one... | 14:16 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: yeah, I also remember someone mentioned to offer access to research and academia or something like | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | ildikov: We have a university here in my town thats pretty much into openstack, and I have planned to reach ut to them | 14:17 |
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| tobberydberg | Yes, we have talked about that as well, and I had some interesting dialogs in Sydney with people about it | 14:18 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: that sounds awesome, let me know if I can help with that | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | One of todays goals was to get the final goals in writing, including PPP ... but to few here for that | 14:19 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: I would be happy to learn about some details of that chat :) | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | When is your conference? | 14:19 |
| ildikov | January 8 | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | oh, early January then. Might be that we not have decided goals by then, but hopefully | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | But what you can do is to present the program in general (like we do in the video, as well as presenting some of the thought for the future | 14:21 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | sorry so late | 14:22 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: if there's anything beyond the general info for the research community please let me know | 14:22 |
| ildikov | Even if not set in stone fully yet | 14:22 |
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| tobberydberg | o/ mrhillsman | 14:23 |
| tobberydberg | Will look for info in writing .... but in general, we have interest from these kind (and other kinds) of organisations to participate with restrictions to a certain taget of people, i.e researchers or students | 14:25 |
| tobberydberg | and, we are very open to that suggestion | 14:25 |
| ildikov | Thanks! | 14:25 |
| ildikov | It sounds pretty good, I will let you know about the interest after the conference | 14:26 |
| tobberydberg | But that is about it today ... including listing and filtering at o.o/passport to easily find "clouds for researchers" or other specific targeted groups | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | Will love to hear that feedback. Drop me an email or ping me on IRC if you need me to comment on anything or provide you with more information | 14:28 |
| ildikov | Sounds great, I will check that and have screenshots etc in my presentation | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | Please put your name there | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 1. APs | 14:31 |
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| tobberydberg | Not sure about Howards communication there, but I had discussion with diablo_rojo over the last couple of days and I think we are good for a room for the first 2 days of the PTG | 14:33 |
| tobberydberg | That will count as out Meetup this spring | 14:34 |
| tobberydberg | Me and howard have not been able to find a time for defining final suggestion of goals... sorry for that, have been (and is) pretty hectic at "daily work". Will make sure to find some time during the holidays =) | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 2. Define goals | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2. Define goals (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:35 | |
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| tobberydberg | Little bit further down in the etherpad you can find "3. Goals for Vancouver cycle" | 14:36 |
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| tobberydberg | Feel free fo comment, change, add etc what you feel should be the goals for Vancouver | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | I'm here to discuss this further today if we get a discussion going, but we are not that many here =) | 14:38 |
| mrhillsman | nope | 14:38 |
| mrhillsman | i unfortunately do not have any input at this time on goals :( | 14:38 |
| tobberydberg | no worries mrhillsman | 14:39 |
| mrhillsman | i am just getting to the point of being able to attend these with a slight drop in other work | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | That sounds awesome ... for us at least =) | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | ++ i am hoping so | 14:40 |
| tobberydberg | The "interest" have dropped a bit lately, would really like us to all try to promote this a liiiitle bit more to get more people in there | 14:41 |
| tobberydberg | *here | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:41 |
| tobberydberg | I will do some work with the suggested goals go get that to a vote, so setting that up for next meeting... | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 3. Make Missing features list u2d | 14:42 |
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| mrhillsman | u2d? | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | Also, this needs more time. We started last week | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | "up 2 date" | 14:42 |
| mrhillsman | ok | 14:42 |
| mrhillsman | aha | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | takes allllot of time ... especially when we not have the author available (unknown) | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | ;) | 14:43 |
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| tobberydberg | But, me and howard take lead on that and will try to find some time before next meeting to get a first round of updating that lust done | 14:44 |
| tobberydberg | *list | 14:44 |
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| tobberydberg | But as always, feel free to signup to be part of that or update the list according to the "guidelines" we talked about in Sydney (which will be better defined as well) | 14:45 |
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| tobberydberg | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mf8OAyTzZxCKzYHMgBl-QK_2-XSycSkOjqCyMTIedkA/edit#gid=0 | 14:46 |
| tobberydberg | for the record | 14:46 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-missing-features-pc | 14:46 |
| mrhillsman | sure, i will take a look | 14:46 |
| tobberydberg | thanks mrhillsman | 14:46 |
| tobberydberg | A you might remember from the sessions, goal is to get the things that are done or "invalid" of the raw list | 14:47 |
| pilgrimstack | Sorry I'm reading the logs, about Topic 2: Do we have a base document for that ? | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | update them with "author/contact person" | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, that is a good place to start | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | ...also, if we know more specs/blueprints already exist related, add that as well | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | pilgrimstack: not more than the "raw list" further down in the etherpad and suggestions from the forum session we had in Sydney | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | will post the links for that as well | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-public-cloud-wg | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-missing-features-pc | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-public-cloud | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | We have a (initial) suggested roadmap for the PPP here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEETUPS-2017-publiccloud-wg | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-public-cloud-wg | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-public-cloud | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEETUPS-2017-publiccloud-wg | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | thanks | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 4. Other matters | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "4. Other matters (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:53 | |
| tobberydberg | anyone? | 14:53 |
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| tobberydberg | If not ... I have a quick one: How many of you here will attend the PTG? | 14:56 |
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| pilgrimstack | is not planed on my syde | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | ok. What about you mrhillsman? | 14:58 |
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| tobberydberg | ok... time is up! Hope to see you (and a few more) in 2 weeks =) | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks for today | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 15:00:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-12-20-14.07.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-12-20-14.07.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-12-20-14.07.log.html | 15:00 |
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| witek | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 15:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| pilgrimstack | thx; I'll try to have a look for the topic 2 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | thanks for chairing tobberydberg ! | 15:00 |
| jgr | Hello | 15:00 |
| witek | hello everyone | 15:00 |
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| witek | agenda quite empty today | 15:01 |
| witek | I have created the etherpad for PTG planning | 15:02 |
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| joadavis | greetings | 15:02 |
| witek | hello joadavis | 15:02 |
| witek | people attending the PTG please add your names | 15:03 |
| witek | and also if you already have some topics, feel free to add in the etherpad | 15:04 |
| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-ptg-rocky | 15:04 |
| witek | Monasca sessions are planned on Wed 28.2. and Thu 1.3. | 15:05 |
| jgr | Is that fixed already or just what we are shooting for? | 15:06 |
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| witek | there is no official schedule, but from what I understood we're free to fill 'teams days' | 15:07 |
| witek | which are Wed-Fri | 15:07 |
| jgr | Ok | 15:07 |
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| jgr | As for topics: for me that would mainly be | 15:08 |
| jgr | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001214 | 15:08 |
| witek | yes, we probably won't be able to finish it in Queens | 15:09 |
| jgr | I haven't gotten very far on in Queens (Grafana 4 and now Cassandra on SOC 8 sidetracking me :-/ ) and I don't think we'll make much more progress in Queens | 15:09 |
| jgr | s/on/on it/ | 15:09 |
| witek | #topic Cassandra | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cassandra (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:10 | |
| witek | Cassandra changes have been merged | 15:11 |
| witek | testing framework still need review | 15:11 |
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| jgr | ...and they even mostly work on Pike :-) | 15:11 |
| witek | nice | 15:12 |
| jgr | (test drove James' unofficial backport today) | 15:12 |
| jgr | There are still a few rough edges (for instance libvirt aggregate metrics are giving me some trouble, but overall it works) | 15:12 |
| witek | you mean the metrics you've added in your recent change? | 15:13 |
| jgr | Yes | 15:13 |
| jgr | So the problem may actually be with the metrics themselves | 15:13 |
| jgr | I have to take a closer look - so far I've only notice them being absent in Grafana and some suspicious submission failures on the collector side that started appearing when I switched to Cassandra | 15:14 |
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| jgu | jgr: hhmmm let me know if I can help. cassandra does not touch the agent collector. | 15:15 |
| witek | yes, that looks weird to me too, please keep us updated | 15:15 |
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| jgr | jgu: no, it doesn't. The problem starts in monasca-api or further up. | 15:16 |
| jgr | jgu: as I said, I'll have to take a closer look first. For now I'm happy I got it running at all :-) | 15:16 |
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| jgu | jgr: okay. I just joined. I'll check the meeting log for the the full details. wow, that's very cool! | 15:17 |
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| witek | #topic milestone 2 | 15:18 |
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| witek | I have postponed creating the tags until Cassandra is merged | 15:18 |
| witek | I'll do it after the meeting | 15:18 |
| jgu | witek: that was very much appreciated! | 15:18 |
| witek | updated Java versions are also on the way | 15:19 |
| witek | do you have other topics for today? | 15:20 |
| jgu | re the updated Java versions, I didn't find threshhold has 1.2.1. If I should have missed it, pls let me know | 15:21 |
| witek | is already merged | 15:21 |
| witek | now waiting for api to get green | 15:22 |
| jgr | Ah, these Java versions. That might be something to discuss at the PTG, too. | 15:22 |
| witek | or rather deprecating Java support | 15:22 |
| jgr | Heh. +8^t from me for that :-) | 15:23 |
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| jgu | we can put some more time on the cassandra python persister to see if we have the same performance as the java version. | 15:23 |
| witek | I don't understand your dialect :) | 15:23 |
| jgr | 8^t: digit 8 with a 't' for "transposed" in the exponent. Aka "lying 8", aka "inifinity". | 15:24 |
| witek | wow | 15:24 |
| joadavis | yeah, wow. I thought it was just a grumpy pointy-nose smiley | 15:25 |
| witek | jgu: that would be beneficial in any case | 15:25 |
| jgr | (saw that in my university's math building once. Some joker had labelled the 8th floor button in the elevator with an infinity sign and a 'T' exponent :-)) | 15:25 |
| witek | :) | 15:26 |
| jgr | What do we do about monasca-thresh, though? | 15:26 |
| jgr | Is there a Python equivalent for that on the horizon? | 15:27 |
| witek | i've seen some python library for storm, we could also choose to go away from storm | 15:28 |
| jgr | What would be the alternative to Storm? | 15:30 |
| joadavis | Spark has been good for monasca-transform. Or Go as was used in monasca-aggregator. (no, I'm not signing up to write either) | 15:30 |
| jgu | replacing storm with Spark is an interesting idea as one less 3rd party library | 15:32 |
| jgr | Spark is not very helpful from my point of view. It's another square Java peg to fit into a round RPM hole :-) | 15:32 |
| jgu | jgr: but less square pig :-) | 15:32 |
| jgu | is there other python alternative? | 15:32 |
| jgr | jgu: I've already built the Storm package, though... :-) | 15:32 |
| witek | I think we should start with collecting the functional features the new thresh should have | 15:33 |
| joadavis | And you did some good work on a Spark rpm ;) | 15:34 |
| jgr | jodavis: there is that. We'll need Spark anyway, so if we can drop Storm that's probably not too bad... | 15:35 |
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| joadavis | Agree on collecting features. I'm not familiar enough with it to know if Spark would handle everything thresh is currently getting from Storm | 15:36 |
| witek | jgr: have you deployed monasca-transform already? | 15:37 |
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| jgr | witek: yes. I think it was even in Cloud 7 from the first release. | 15:38 |
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| jgr | witek: or wait...no. | 15:39 |
| jgr | witek: I got that mixed up with openstack-monasca-log-transformer (the simple logstash based log transformer) | 15:40 |
| witek | ok | 15:40 |
| jgr | witek: you mean https://github.com/openstack/monasca-transform, correct? | 15:40 |
| witek | yes | 15:40 |
| witek | I've put new monasca-thresh as the topic for PTG | 15:41 |
| jgr | Sounds good | 15:41 |
| jgu | witek: is there an etherpad for ptg? | 15:42 |
| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-ptg-rocky | 15:42 |
| witek | fresh :) | 15:42 |
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| jgu | nice :-) | 15:43 |
| witek | anything else for today? | 15:44 |
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| witek | if not, I wish you all Merry Christmas | 15:45 |
| jgr | Thanks :-) | 15:45 |
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| joadavis | Merry Christmas to you too | 15:45 |
| jgu | Merry Christmas! | 15:45 |
| jgr | A Merry Christmas to you, too! | 15:45 |
| witek | we skip the meeting next week | 15:46 |
| witek | and meet next year | 15:46 |
| jgu | then Happy New Year to all :-) | 15:46 |
| witek | :) | 15:46 |
| witek | Happy New Year | 15:46 |
| witek | see you, bye bye | 15:46 |
| dougsz | Merry Christmas all | 15:47 |
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| witek | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 15:47:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-12-20-15.00.html | 15:47 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-12-20-15.00.txt | 15:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-12-20-15.00.log.html | 15:47 |
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| ying_zuo | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 20:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ying_zuo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| ying_zuo | Hi everyone o/ | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 20:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | #topic Welcome Ivan Kolodyazhny to the core team | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Welcome Ivan Kolodyazhny to the core team (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:02 | |
| ying_zuo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125647.html | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | congrats e0ne | 20:02 |
| rdopiera | welcome! | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | lol | 20:03 |
| e0ne | thanks everybody! | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | e0ne: thanks for your contribution to Horizon :) | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | #topic Keystone policy: is_cloud_admin and is_domain are broken with the latest keystone policy (amotoki) | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone policy: is_cloud_admin and is_domain are broken with the latest keystone policy (amotoki) (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:03 | |
| ying_zuo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1739108 | 20:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1739108 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "api.keystone.is_cloud_admin/is_domain_admin do not work with the latest policy from keystone repo" [Critical,New] | 20:04 |
| ying_zuo | some of you have discussed about this | 20:05 |
| ying_zuo | the discussion seems to be for a more general case | 20:05 |
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| ying_zuo | I think for this bug, using the admin_required as default is fine | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | for this particular one, I think maintaining the default rule is correct | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | yup | 20:06 |
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| ying_zuo | is there a volunteer to pick this up? | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | not really sure where the default rule is called | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | the way policy works is allows unless the rule says no | 20:07 |
| ying_zuo | just "default" I think | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | if the rule is not present, it allows | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | but there may be something funky about these two specific checks | 20:08 |
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| david-lyle | they were always wrong | 20:08 |
| ying_zuo | I think that's right | 20:08 |
| rdopiera | might break some stuff people rely on if we "fix" it? | 20:08 |
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| ying_zuo | the default is set to admin_required rule before | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | looks like is_cloud_admin is only used in the projects views | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | and around showing quota information, so that's not it | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | I'm not sure this is the root of whatever problem is being seen | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | is_domain_admin is also used in the standard way | 20:13 |
| ying_zuo | maybe more than these two rules were affected | 20:13 |
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| ying_zuo | #topic Supported Django versions (amotoki) | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Supported Django versions (amotoki) (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:14 | |
| ying_zuo | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/django2-support | 20:14 |
| ying_zuo | pasting what amotoki put on the meeting note below: | 20:15 |
| ying_zuo | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/CHwGEsMN/ | 20:15 |
| e0ne | I'm all for supporting at least last LTS and django2.0 as experimental | 20:16 |
| ying_zuo | yes for supporting LTS and 2.0 | 20:17 |
| e0ne | #link currently supported versions https://www.djangoproject.com/download/ | 20:17 |
| cshen_ | me +1 | 20:18 |
| rdopiera | same here | 20:18 |
| ying_zuo | if we can complete this blueprint in Queens, it will give the plugins some time to catch up | 20:18 |
| ying_zuo | considering Django 1.8 LTS ends in April 2018 | 20:18 |
| e0ne | from the operator's perspective, I want to have at lease security fixes for django | 20:18 |
| e0ne | so 1.9 and 1.10 are not good for security | 20:19 |
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| e0ne | I'm afraid, we can't support both 1.8 and 2.0 | 20:19 |
| ying_zuo | that's right | 20:20 |
| ying_zuo | there seems to be some conflicts | 20:20 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: it's not a good option to release Queens with 1.8 end-of-life, IMO | 20:20 |
| cshen_ | then bump to 1.11 LTS? | 20:21 |
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| e0ne | +1 | 20:21 |
| ying_zuo | 1.11 is not a problem | 20:21 |
| e0ne | we can leave 1.10 jobs too | 20:21 |
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| e0ne | does anybody know which versions are available in debian/ubuntu and rhel/centos repos? | 20:22 |
| cshen_ | you meant ubuntu 16.04 LTS? | 20:23 |
| rdopiera | we will upgrade to 1.11 in this cycle in rhel/centos | 20:23 |
| rdopiera | IIRC | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | Maybe push 2.0 to next release | 20:23 |
| rdopiera | 2.0 is going to be a bit of pain because of python3 | 20:24 |
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| e0ne | david-lyle: we can leave 2.0 as experimental for Queens | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | as long as it doesn't break 1.8? | 20:24 |
| cshen_ | 1.8.7-1ubuntu5.5 for ubuntu 16.04 | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | ying_zuo, when is release date for queens | 20:24 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: yes:( | 20:24 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528493/ | 20:24 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 20:25 |
| ying_zuo | Jan 22 - Jan 26 Queens-3 | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | Mar 2 | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | looks like | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | so 1.8 is supported for > 1 month after release | 20:26 |
| e0ne | :( | 20:26 |
| ying_zuo | feature freeze starts after Queens-3 | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | I think there is likely to be more problems dropping 1.8 than not adding 2.0 | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | for queens at least | 20:26 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: it means, vendors could probably ship horizon with outdated 1.8 | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | hopefully vendors ship 1.11 | 20:27 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: what problems do you mean? something with plugins? | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | but people not using a vendor can not be forced to upgrade | 20:27 |
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| e0ne | we can force upgrade bumping min version in requirements.txt | 20:28 |
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| ying_zuo | can we drop 1.8 in Queens and move to 2.0 in R? | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | ying_zuo, why drop an active LTS? | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | that's my question over all | 20:30 |
| ying_zuo | 1.8 is conflicting with 2.0 | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | we can't really support 2.0 anyway | 20:30 |
| ying_zuo | so before we move to 2.0, will need to drop 1.8 | 20:30 |
| ying_zuo | would be good if we can break it down into a few steps | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | I'll stop, but I'm not sure what you are gaining to drop an active LTS | 20:31 |
| ying_zuo | as you mentioned, we should have 1 month for 1.8 after release | 20:31 |
| ying_zuo | isn't it better to switch now? | 20:31 |
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| ying_zuo | 1.11 is also LTS | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | the verbiage on django site is at least until April 2018 | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | *until at least April 2018 | 20:33 |
| ying_zuo | :p | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | 2.0 is not a LTS | 20:33 |
| ying_zuo | yes | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | although that's not overly important | 20:33 |
| e0ne | but we can't be sure that 1.8 will be supported after April 2018 | 20:34 |
| e0ne | I like amotoki proposal: | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | my thought is more people will want to stick with an old python 2.7 compatible LTS of django than jump ahead to a partial support from horizon release that is python 3 only | 20:35 |
| e0ne | we must support the latest LTS | 20:35 |
| e0ne | we could experimental support any others non-LTS releases | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | but I promised to stop :) | 20:35 |
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| ying_zuo | :) | 20:36 |
| ying_zuo | I think you are saying it's more important to keep 1.8 than moving to 2.0 | 20:36 |
| ying_zuo | that's a good point | 20:36 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: we're not talking about dropping python2 support at all. we just want to drop django 1.8 and support 1.11 | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | e0ne, I understand the proposal | 20:37 |
| ying_zuo | so I read the blueprint again | 20:39 |
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| ying_zuo | 1.8 is conflicting with 1.11 too | 20:39 |
| ying_zuo | so we can't keep 1.8 even if we don't move to 2.0 | 20:39 |
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| david-lyle | we support 1.8 and 1.11 now | 20:40 |
| e0ne | +1 | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | nothing in the bp claims conflict between 1.8 and 1.11 | 20:41 |
| ying_zuo | my bad, I read it wrong. 1.8 is only conflicting with 2.0 | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:41 |
| ying_zuo | okay, I think it's fine that we don't merge the patches that break 1.8 | 20:42 |
| amotoki | morinig | 20:42 |
| ying_zuo | it's good to have them ready so we can merge right after the release | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | I'm absentee, so I can only express an opinion. Take whatever course you feel appropriate | 20:42 |
| ying_zuo | good morning amotoki | 20:42 |
| amotoki | seems django version discussion | 20:43 |
| ying_zuo | yes | 20:43 |
| ying_zuo | great timing :) | 20:43 |
| amotoki | many-many if-else allows us to support 1.8, 1.11 and 2.0 :p | 20:43 |
| ying_zuo | yes, I think the main concern is dropping 1.8 in Queens | 20:43 |
| amotoki | this topic was originally raised by zigo related Debian support in the next debian release | 20:44 |
| amotoki | personally I like Debian so I would like to have horizon in the next release of Debian, but it is my personal motivation | 20:45 |
| amotoki | I thought we plan to drop django 1.8 support in Queens but I might misunderstand it | 20:45 |
| rdopiera | when is that next release? | 20:45 |
| rdopiera | of Debian | 20:46 |
| amotoki | i don't know it | 20:46 |
| rdopiera | if we are talking about a year from now... | 20:46 |
| amotoki | zerga[m]: do you have any information if you are here? | 20:47 |
| amotoki | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-11-29-20.00.log.html#l-137 | 20:47 |
| amotoki | "I'm not sure when, but "soon" django 2.x will replace 1.11 in Sid. When this happens, horizon wont work anymore in Debian." | 20:47 |
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| amotoki | Sid means a development version, so it seems okay to have djnago 2.0 support in the early stage of rocky | 20:48 |
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| david-lyle | are we talking "stretch" or "buster" ? | 20:50 |
| ying_zuo | it's probably better to keep 1.8 for Queens since we are in the middle of the last milestone... | 20:50 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: "buster". "stretch" has been shipped. | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | no release date is set for buster | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | per https://www.debian.org/releases/ | 20:51 |
| rdopiera | "when it's ready" | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | but it's usually years | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | wnat stretch was just release in June | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | *and stretch | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | rushing things for an unstable release branch seems hasty :) | 20:52 |
| rdopiera | but everyone run Sid... | 20:53 |
| rdopiera | the stable releases are *ancient* | 20:53 |
| amotoki | it's true for debian :p | 20:54 |
| * david-lyle shrug | 20:54 | |
| ying_zuo | 5 minutes left | 20:54 |
| amotoki | any conclusion on the policy stuff (is_cloud_admin)? | 20:55 |
| ying_zuo | do we agree on supporting 1.8 and 1.11 for Queens and 1.11 and 2.0 in R? | 20:55 |
| rdopiera | that seems like the prudent course of action | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | amotoki, I commented on your bugg | 20:56 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: thanks | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure I agree with the root cause analysis | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | it could point to a regression in the policy engine in horizon | 20:56 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: I haven't investigated the detail. at least you cannot see "Modify Quotas" menu after applying https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527668/ | 20:58 |
| amotoki | ying_zuo: I agree DJango 1.8/1.11 in Queens and bump the minimum for Rocky | 20:58 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: will we have meetings next two weeks? | 20:58 |
| ying_zuo | #topic No Meeting on 12/27 | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "No Meeting on 12/27 (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:58 | |
| david-lyle | amotoki, that would point to the policy check returning False | 20:58 |
| ying_zuo | e0ne: ^^^ :) | 20:58 |
| e0ne | :) | 20:58 |
| ying_zuo | Happy Holidays to everyone! | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | defaults are only applied if the rule is there but empty on the right hand side | 20:59 |
| ying_zuo | thank you all for your contribution to Horizon in 2017 :) | 20:59 |
| ying_zuo | david-lyle: amotoki: running out of time again | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:59 |
| amotoki | :) | 20:59 |
| ying_zuo | please continue in openstack-horizon :) | 20:59 |
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| ying_zuo | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "milestone 2 (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 21:00:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-12-20-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-12-20-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-12-20-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| amotoki | bye | 21:00 |
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