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d0ugal | #startmeeting Mistral | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 4 15:00:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is d0ugal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:00 |
d0ugal | Hey - anyone around for the Mistral meeting this week? | 15:00 |
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bobh | o/ | 15:04 |
d0ugal | Hey bobh | 15:04 |
d0ugal | bobh: Nobody else has joined, so I was just about to cancel the meeting :) | 15:04 |
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bobh | dobson: lol - ok - guess I didn't miss anything | 15:05 |
bobh | d0ugal: sorry | 15:05 |
d0ugal | bobh: no, nothing :) | 15:05 |
bobh | d0ugal: one quick question | 15:05 |
d0ugal | bobh: do you have anything you want to discuss? | 15:05 |
d0ugal | Sure | 15:05 |
bobh | d0ugal: I ran into an issue with adhoc actions that need an action_context in the base action - appears to be broken | 15:05 |
bobh | there was a bug opened last year that claimed to be fixed but I added a test that fails so looks like it's not | 15:06 |
bobh | just wondering if it's a known issue? | 15:06 |
d0ugal | bobh: Do you have a link to the bug? | 15:06 |
bobh | d0ugal: one sec | 15:06 |
bobh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1568909 | 15:08 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1568909 in Mistral "execution of ad-hoc actions based on std.mistral_http always fails" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 15:08 |
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apetrich | o/ | 15:10 |
d0ugal | apetrich: Hey | 15:10 |
apetrich | sorry my calendar is still with the wrong time for this meeting | 15:10 |
d0ugal | bobh: reading :) | 15:11 |
apetrich | me 2 | 15:11 |
bobh | d0ugal: np - it took a bit of digging | 15:11 |
thrash | o/ | 15:11 |
d0ugal | apetrich: in Google calendar you can set it to GMT without daylight savings. | 15:11 |
d0ugal | bobh: right, I understand now | 15:12 |
d0ugal | bobh: that action is weird, it has a special case, so I am not that surprised it is broken with ad-hoc actions :) | 15:13 |
bobh | d0ugal: that figures | 15:14 |
bobh | d0ugal: I tried injecting the action_context in the prepare_inputs of AdHocAction but then validation failed with an unexpected input | 15:14 |
d0ugal | bobh: the patch that claims to have fixed it is a huge refactor. so kinda hard to know what it did. | 15:14 |
d0ugal | bobh: fwiw, I have a patch that changes how this action works, I think it will be much nicer: https://review.openstack.org/520348 | 15:15 |
bobh | d0ugal: right - and there is no existing test so no way to verify that it works | 15:15 |
d0ugal | but I have been blocked landing it by tripleo (I need to find a solution for this) | 15:15 |
d0ugal | oh! There has been a promotion of the tripleo packages, so it may be able to land now | 15:16 |
* d0ugal rechecks | 15:16 | |
bobh | d0ugal: that patch would definitely fix my problem | 15:18 |
d0ugal | Yeah, I hope so | 15:18 |
d0ugal | bobh: I guess it would be good if we could add a test case to show the problem and then we can verify it gets fixed more easily. | 15:19 |
bobh | d0ugal: your patch changes the signature of mistral_http to not require the action_context, so we would need another base action that requires the action_context I think | 15:20 |
d0ugal | bobh: what is action_context actually needed for? | 15:21 |
bobh | d0ugal: I don't need it - I was just trying to use mistral_http as a base for an adhoc action and that's where I ran into the problem with action_context | 15:22 |
d0ugal | bobh: the new version in my patch uses the new action conctext that is passed to the run method | 15:22 |
d0ugal | Right | 15:22 |
d0ugal | So why would we need another base action that requires the action_context? | 15:22 |
d0ugal | That is the bit I don't follow | 15:23 |
d0ugal | essentially MistralHTTPAction just adds some extra headers, I've moved that from the __init__ to the run method. | 15:23 |
bobh | d0ugal: to reproduce the issue with adhoc actions from a (now custom) base action that requires the action_context param - unless that is going away completely and it always comes out of the run context, which is a better solution anyway | 15:23 |
d0ugal | aha | 15:24 |
d0ugal | I see | 15:24 |
d0ugal | I think it is better to just remove it completely :) | 15:24 |
bobh | if the action_context param is deprecated there is no issue | 15:24 |
d0ugal | great | 15:24 |
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d0ugal | bobh: if you could test/review that patch it would be very useful. | 15:24 |
bobh | d0ugal: will do - and thanks! | 15:25 |
d0ugal | There is one -1, but I am mostly ignoring it :) | 15:25 |
bobh | d0ugal: lol | 15:25 |
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d0ugal | (I didn't think it was a helpful review) | 15:25 |
bobh | d0ugal: I don't suppose this patch would be a candidate for stable/pike | 15:26 |
d0ugal | bobh: good question, I hadn't planned to backport it but we could discuss with rakhmerov | 15:26 |
d0ugal | The related mistral-lib patches have already been backported to Pike | 15:27 |
d0ugal | so it *should* be fairly easy. | 15:27 |
d0ugal | bobh: Anything else you'd like to discuss? | 15:28 |
d0ugal | or anyone else? | 15:28 |
bobh | d0ugal: I'm good - thanks | 15:28 |
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d0ugal | apetrich: anything you want discussed or reviewed for that YAQL function? | 15:29 |
apetrich | d0ugal, I don't think much at this point. I'm doing the minimum there and probably when the reviews come in I will need some more discussion | 15:30 |
apetrich | minimum functional | 15:30 |
d0ugal | I wanted to discuss CI, but I guess I need rakhmerov for that. https://review.openstack.org/522880 | 15:30 |
d0ugal | apetrich: sounds good. I would encourage adding the smallest possible useful function. It is always easier to expand it later - but it sounds like you are already doing this :) | 15:31 |
d0ugal | thrash: btw I just reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522023 | 15:32 |
d0ugal | I think we can probably end the meeting - mostly just open discussion today, but that is fine. | 15:32 |
d0ugal | I think we should consider doing the "office hours" with Mistral - other projects do this in place of the weekly meeting | 15:33 |
* d0ugal waits 1 min before ending the meeting | 15:33 | |
d0ugal | Okay, thanks everyone! | 15:35 |
d0ugal | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:35 | |
apetrich | cheers | 15:35 |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 4 15:35:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-12-04-15.00.html | 15:35 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-12-04-15.00.txt | 15:35 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-12-04-15.00.log.html | 15:35 |
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dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 4 17:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
dtantsur | hi all! | 17:00 |
sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
etingof | o/ | 17:00 |
rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
milan_ | o/ | 17:00 |
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dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:00 |
jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
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stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
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mjturek | o/ | 17:01 |
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dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminder | 17:01 |
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milan_ | folks, I'm moving on 1.1.2018 for new challenges, was a pleasure! | 17:02 |
dtantsur | #info Milan moving on starting with Jan, 1st | 17:02 |
sambetts | milan_: goodluck! | 17:02 |
rloo | milan_: boo, hiss. Sorry to see you moving on, but thanks for all the inspectin' and good luck! | 17:02 |
vdrok | o/ | 17:02 |
dtantsur | milan_: it was just a huge pleasure to work with you as well. I'll miss our coffee spec reviews ;) | 17:02 |
milan_ | <3 same here folks! | 17:03 |
milan_ | thanks! | 17:03 |
rpioso | milan_: Congratulations! | 17:03 |
stendulker | milan_: Wish you all the best !! | 17:03 |
milan_ | rpioso, stendulker thanks guys! :) | 17:03 |
* etingof hopes that at least coffee stays... | 17:03 | |
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milan_ | :D | 17:03 |
dtantsur | heh | 17:03 |
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dtantsur | #info Due to lack of interest at present, the ironic-ui meeting will be cancelled for the time being. Please contact TheJulia if interested in contributing. | 17:04 |
jlvillal | We'll miss you milan_ ! | 17:04 |
dtantsur | I think the same fate may hit the BFV meeting, but I need to double-check with Julia | 17:04 |
Nisha_Agarwal | milan_, leaving ironic? | 17:04 |
milan_ | Nisha_Agarwal, yup, I am | 17:04 |
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dtantsur | #info TheJulia is unavailable on Monday/Tuesday of this week | 17:05 |
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pas-ha | o/ | 17:05 |
dtantsur | now, folks I haven't got a lot of votes on moving this meeting to our main channel | 17:06 |
vdrok | milan_: wish you all the best on a new place! | 17:06 |
dtantsur | I am for it, and rloo as well; +2, -0 | 17:06 |
rloo | dtantsur: did we vote? | 17:06 |
rloo | dtantsur: oh, yeah, there's my vote :) | 17:06 |
rloo | dtantsur: let's vote! | 17:06 |
milan_ | jlvillal, vdrok, thanks guys! :) | 17:06 |
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sambetts | dtantsur: +2 from me | 17:06 |
sambetts | one less channel for me to track | 17:07 |
Nisha_Agarwal | milan_, wish you all the best in next role :) | 17:07 |
stendulker | +2 from me | 17:07 |
Nisha_Agarwal | +1 from me | 17:07 |
pas-ha | dtantsur: +1 for the same reason | 17:07 |
milan_ | Nisha_Agarwal, thank you :) | 17:07 |
dtantsur | #startvote Should we move this meeting to #openstack-ironic? Yes, No | 17:07 |
openstack | Begin voting on: Should we move this meeting to #openstack-ironic? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 17:07 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:07 |
dtantsur | #vote Yes | 17:07 |
sambetts | #vote Yes | 17:07 |
pas-ha | #vote Yes | 17:07 |
rloo | #vote Yes | 17:07 |
etingof | Yes | 17:07 |
stendulker | #vote Yes | 17:07 |
Nisha_Agarwal | #vote Yes | 17:07 |
etingof | #vote Yes | 17:07 |
jlvillal | #vote Yes | 17:07 |
vdrok | there is no "don't care option" :) | 17:07 |
rpioso | #vote Yes | 17:08 |
mjturek | #vote yes | 17:08 |
dtantsur | vdrok: you're right, there's no such option ;) | 17:08 |
milan_ | vdrok, try #vote meh :P | 17:08 |
dtantsur | any more votes? | 17:08 |
vdrok | #vote meh | 17:08 |
openstack | vdrok: meh is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 17:08 |
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milan_ | lol | 17:08 |
dtantsur | see? no such option! ;) | 17:09 |
milan_ | :D | 17:09 |
dtantsur | okay, let's count | 17:09 |
dtantsur | #endvote | 17:09 |
openstack | Voted on "Should we move this meeting to #openstack-ironic?" Results are | 17:09 |
openstack | Yes (10): jlvillal, rloo, pas-ha, stendulker, Nisha_Agarwal, etingof, rpioso, dtantsur, mjturek, sambetts | 17:09 |
dtantsur | wow, decided :) | 17:09 |
* jlvillal should have voted no just to be ornery | 17:09 | |
dtantsur | #agreed The ironic weekly meeting will move to #openstack-ironic, effective Dec 11th | 17:10 |
dtantsur | okay, this was the fun part :) | 17:10 |
dtantsur | any announcements, reminders? | 17:10 |
dtantsur | #info python-ironic-inspector-client 3.0.0 released with a bunch of deprecated features removals | 17:10 |
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milan_ | \0/ | 17:11 |
dtantsur | oh | 17:11 |
dtantsur | #info networking-generic-switch is a part of the Bare Metal program | 17:11 |
dtantsur | I think it was merged, wasn't it? :) | 17:11 |
dtantsur | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/projects/ironic.html#networking-generic-switch | 17:12 |
dtantsur | okay, moving on? | 17:12 |
rloo | dtantsur: ironic also got tagged with that other upgrades thing | 17:12 |
rloo | dtantsur: i forgot what it was called | 17:12 |
dtantsur | yeah, me too | 17:12 |
dtantsur | not a huge achievement, given that it was applies to use automatically :) | 17:13 |
dtantsur | but still, yes | 17:13 |
rloo | dtantsur: supports-accessible-upgrade | 17:13 |
dtantsur | yep | 17:13 |
rloo | ironic & inspector | 17:13 |
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dtantsur | #info ironic and ironic-inspector now have supports-accessible-upgrade tag | 17:14 |
dtantsur | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 17:14 |
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dtantsur | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-11-20-17.00.html | 17:14 |
dtantsur | so, n-g-s was accepted | 17:14 |
dtantsur | vdrok: how's graphical console doing? I think there was an update | 17:15 |
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vdrok | yeah pas-ha has updated the spec | 17:15 |
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dtantsur | nice, thanks pas-ha | 17:15 |
dtantsur | milan_, etingof, how was the bug triaging? | 17:15 |
milan_ | dtantsur, awesome! For one hour, we had 0 new bugs! | 17:16 |
dtantsur | \o/ | 17:16 |
milan_ | then a bug came in :-/ | 17:16 |
dtantsur | good job :) | 17:16 |
milan_ | :D | 17:16 |
dtantsur | anything else to add? | 17:16 |
milan_ | can do it again | 17:16 |
dtantsur | sure ;) | 17:16 |
etingof | +1 | 17:16 |
dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports | 17:16 |
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dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard line 136 | 17:17 |
rloo | dtantsur: wrt migrating classic to hardware types. what did we decide in midcycle? | 17:18 |
rloo | dtantsur: we should update/reply to that email thread. L195. | 17:18 |
dtantsur | I will, yes | 17:19 |
dtantsur | #action dtantsur to follow up on the midcycle | 17:19 |
rloo | sambetts: wrt routed network support, there's a WIP: 217. where are we at with that? | 17:19 |
rloo | sambetts: L217 | 17:19 |
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jlvillal | dtantsur: FYI: https://review.openstack.org/525259 Move ironic-bare-metal meeting to the #openstack-ironic channel | 17:20 |
sambetts | just checking | 17:20 |
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dtantsur | thanks jlvillal | 17:20 |
rloo | vdrok: didn't you start cleaning up the deploy interface? L233 | 17:20 |
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sambetts | rloo: after vacation I was planning to pick this back up, but while I was gone my patch has been taken over and split (so I need to work out whats going on there) and also networking-baremetals CI was broken so not much progress has been made | 17:21 |
rloo | pas-ha: wrt ansible deploy interface, L258. If that is questionable, i say, yes, we need doc updates :) | 17:22 |
rloo | sambetts: you're planning on working on it though, right? and does it need an RFE? | 17:22 |
dtantsur | rloo: the question mark is "is it TODO?" not "do we need docs" :) | 17:22 |
rloo | dtantsur: heh. | 17:22 |
vdrok | rloo: I did start. there is a wip patch. should be able to finish this week. lemme update the board | 17:22 |
rloo | vdrok: thx | 17:22 |
rloo | pas-ha: ^^ are there docs or a doc patch for the ansible deploy interface? | 17:22 |
pas-ha | rloo: no, copying docs is on my TODO list for this week | 17:23 |
rloo | pas-ha: thx! | 17:23 |
pas-ha | docs are there in staging drivers, just need to copy and adapt structure to ironic ones | 17:23 |
sambetts | rloo: I'm planning on working on it, but as someone else has starting hacking on it I might see where they are at first before I stomp all over them | 17:24 |
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dtantsur | we have a page for deploy interfaces now | 17:24 |
rloo | pas-ha: gotcha | 17:24 |
sambetts | \o/ | 17:24 |
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dtantsur | #link https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/latest/admin/interfaces/deploy.html | 17:24 |
rloo | sambetts: yeah, that's a good idea. | 17:24 |
rloo | for python 3.5, i thought the issue was that swift isn't avail on 3.5. | 17:25 |
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Nisha_Agarwal | rloo, yes its still a issue but we have enabled for ironci and ironic-inspector bypassing swift | 17:25 |
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rloo | Nisha_Agarwal: would be good to note that down in the etherpad then. | 17:26 |
jlvillal | rloo: I think that you can use Ironic without Swift for certain driver types. I forget which ones exactly. | 17:26 |
rloo | jlvillal: would be good to note that down in the etherpad then :D | 17:26 |
Nisha_Agarwal | rloo ok sure | 17:26 |
anupn | rloo, yes i also chatted briefly with swift guys and py3.5 support does not seem to be on their priority | 17:26 |
jlvillal | rloo: I know anup has been working on it for the TinyIPA work. | 17:26 |
Nisha_Agarwal | rloo, for pxe_ipmitool drivers we can do without swift | 17:27 |
rloo | anupn: would be good to note that down in the etherpad then :D :D | 17:27 |
dtantsur | jlvillal: ipmi+iscsi (former pxe_ipmitool) | 17:27 |
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anupn | rloo, will do | 17:27 |
rloo | jlvillal is back, and I think we're good with doing the tempest plugin split next week? | 17:28 |
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dtantsur | yeah | 17:28 |
dtantsur | let's maybe pick a day even? | 17:28 |
jlvillal | rloo: I am. This week I am busy getting caught plus have to write up my yearly performance review. Which is super awesome time of course ;) | 17:28 |
dtantsur | like, jlvillal starts in his morning, then I take over in mine | 17:28 |
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jlvillal | s/caught/caught up/ | 17:28 |
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jlvillal | dtantsur: Tuesday my day? | 17:29 |
jlvillal | dtantsur: Then Wednesday your day? | 17:29 |
dtantsur | jlvillal: sounds good | 17:29 |
jlvillal | Great | 17:29 |
rloo | jlvillal & dtantsur: what does this mean for the rest of us? That CI won't be avail? | 17:29 |
dtantsur | can please someone -2 anything that touches the in-tree tempest plugins around right now? | 17:29 |
dtantsur | or okay, maybe on Friday | 17:30 |
jlvillal | rloo: I hope not. I'm thinking minimal impact. | 17:30 |
rloo | jlvillal: we hope so too :) this doesn't affect stable branches? | 17:30 |
dtantsur | all branches | 17:30 |
dtantsur | the plugin will be branchless | 17:30 |
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rloo | OH. we should make sure all the branches pass CI before this then. | 17:31 |
jlvillal | +1 on all branches being affected. | 17:31 |
rloo | cuz i think there is at least one project that is failing... | 17:31 |
dtantsur | good call. I think stable/pike of ironic has problems | 17:31 |
jlvillal | Once we remove the tempest plugin from openstack/ironic | 17:31 |
dtantsur | so, 1. this week - fix the CI, 2. Mon (my) morning - freeze the tempest plugin, 3. Mon - John's morning - do import in github | 17:32 |
dtantsur | 4. Tue - my morning - double-check/fix inspector import, 5. Tue - John's morning - pull the trigger, 6. Wed - my morning - fix THE WORLD | 17:32 |
dtantsur | anything I missed? | 17:33 |
rloo | dtantsur: just #action item ^^ :D | 17:33 |
jlvillal | Sounds about right | 17:33 |
sambetts | 7. fix the WORLD again? | 17:33 |
Nisha_Agarwal | tempest split is for ironic only? | 17:33 |
dtantsur | Nisha_Agarwal: the whole openstack is doing it. we're talking about ironic and ironic-inspector here | 17:33 |
Nisha_Agarwal | dtantsur, ok | 17:33 |
dtantsur | #agreed We will be moving to a separate tempest plugin on Dec 11 - Dec 13. The in-tree tempest plugin will be frozen for the duration of the switch, and will be removed afterwards. | 17:34 |
dtantsur | something like this ^^^ as a tl;dr? | 17:34 |
rloo | +1 | 17:34 |
sambetts | sounds good to me | 17:34 |
dtantsur | nice! | 17:35 |
dtantsur | done with the statuses? | 17:35 |
rloo | oh, i asked. about zuul v3 stuff. | 17:35 |
dtantsur | what about it? | 17:36 |
rloo | i am only going to make sure master branches have their zuul v3 stuff done. if folks want to backport the centralized stuff, they will have to do on their onw. | 17:36 |
rloo | dtantsur: L240 | 17:36 |
jlvillal | dtantsur: rloo: Updated whiteboard with plan | 17:36 |
dtantsur | rloo: not as a priority, I guess? | 17:36 |
dtantsur | thanks jlvillal | 17:36 |
rloo | dtantsur: unless folks think that it is important to backport to all. | 17:36 |
rloo | dtantsur: i don't see backporting that stuff as a priority, and some projects are already out of sync so it isn't a simple cherry-pick. | 17:37 |
dtantsur | well, if we have to backport some CI change later, it will be easier if the content is in sync | 17:37 |
rloo | dtantsur: so i don't want to be responsible for making sure it is done. | 17:37 |
dtantsur | right. it's not a priority. | 17:37 |
rloo | dtantsur: ok, i'll | 17:37 |
rloo | close that off next week then... wrt what i was/am doing anyway. | 17:38 |
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rloo | dtantsur: am good with status now :) | 17:38 |
rloo | thx jlvillal | 17:38 |
dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:38 |
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dtantsur | the authentication refactoring is moving well. wanna take more patches from it? | 17:38 |
rloo | dtantsur: yup | 17:39 |
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pas-ha | i've fixed nits in swift patch (and filed two bugs while doing it :) | 17:39 |
pas-ha | the next one (neutron) is quite bigger though | 17:40 |
dtantsur | yeah, I'm thinking of taking one a week | 17:40 |
pas-ha | ok, np | 17:41 |
dtantsur | actually, I'm fine with the list, given that we have to also check the CI state | 17:41 |
dtantsur | and some of the items on the list are not moving fast enough | 17:41 |
dtantsur | wdyt? | 17:41 |
pas-ha | it seems we have some multinode troubles tho | 17:41 |
rloo | dtantsur: the list looks good, the only thing is that i think this is the 3rd rescue patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509342 | 17:42 |
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rloo | dtantsur: but i don't know if we'll get that far so not a big deal | 17:42 |
rloo | pas-ha: :( | 17:42 |
rloo | pas-ha: is it random or always? (guess we can discuss later) | 17:43 |
dtantsur | yeah, let's discuss it out of the meeting | 17:43 |
dtantsur | #topic Appointing a bug triaging lead for the coming week | 17:43 |
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dtantsur | etingof and milan_? :) | 17:43 |
milan_ | dtantsur, ack | 17:43 |
etingof | ack | 17:43 |
dtantsur | I'm not forcing you, you said you're interested :) | 17:43 |
milan_ | yup and I meant it :) | 17:44 |
dtantsur | cool! | 17:44 |
dtantsur | #action milan_ and etingof to continue their bug triaging effort | 17:44 |
dtantsur | thanks guys! | 17:44 |
milan_ | np! | 17:44 |
dtantsur | #topic RFE review | 17:44 |
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dtantsur | rloo: let's get started :) | 17:44 |
rloo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1669243 | 17:45 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1669243 in Ironic "[RFE] Ironic doesn't support zmq with oslo.messaging" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 17:45 |
dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1669243 Ironic doesn't support zmq with oslo.messaging | 17:45 |
rloo | do we approve, do we need a spec? is this a bug?? | 17:45 |
pas-ha | I've mixed feelings about that | 17:45 |
dtantsur | it may be a bug, which I don't really care about.. | 17:46 |
dtantsur | how many real world deployments use zmq with openstack? | 17:46 |
rloo | dtantsur: none if it isn't supported... | 17:46 |
dtantsur | I mean, outside of ironic | 17:46 |
rloo | dtantsur: wondering why this person wanted it | 17:46 |
pas-ha | couple of years ago, it seemed that 0mq was the answer to scaling of openstack messaging, but then nova implemented cells | 17:46 |
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pas-ha | so currently rabbit scaling issues are not a pressing as they used to | 17:47 |
sambetts | it was a big topic at the forum about using zmq for RPC and rabbit for notifications | 17:47 |
rloo | sambetts: OH. in Sydney? | 17:47 |
dtantsur | well, zmq for RPC will require rethinking our RPC | 17:47 |
dtantsur | I hope people don't meant to use zmq PubSub for it :) /me suspects they do | 17:48 |
rloo | dtantsur: needs spec then... | 17:48 |
sambetts | rloo: not sure in Sydney but in boston it was | 17:48 |
pas-ha | dtantsur: exactly, it is quite different model from rabbit, even when beeing 'abstracted' by oslo-messaging | 17:48 |
* dtantsur dreams of the times when people used RPC to implement RPC.. | 17:48 | |
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rloo | so what should we do? ask for a spec and that whatever is designed should be consistent? with how other projects do it if they do? | 17:49 |
jlvillal | The reporter hasn't commented on the bug for 9 months... Nobody else seems to be asking for it. Should we look at this when there appears to be more interest? | 17:49 |
dtantsur | anyway, this one is either a bug or needs a spec - depending on its impact | 17:49 |
sambetts | dtantsur: they split notifications and RPC in oslo.messaging so you can load to different drivers, because RPC shouldn't reuqired pub sub but notificaitons do | 17:49 |
dtantsur | I suspect the latter | 17:49 |
rloo | i think it is a spec, cuz we don't say that we support zmg, do we? | 17:50 |
dtantsur | sambetts: right, but you need a specific destination then. like IP:port of the conductor, not just a topic | 17:50 |
sambetts | I think by supprting oslo.messaging we implicatly do support it right? | 17:50 |
dtantsur | yeah, let's have a spec. if somebody shows up and convinces us it's an easy fix - let it be | 17:50 |
rloo | ok, spec. | 17:50 |
sambetts | +1 | 17:50 |
rloo | let's move on to the next one... | 17:50 |
dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1660351 serial console through shellinabox is not multi-tenant and has no token/password protection | 17:51 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1660351 in Ironic "[RFE] serial console through shellinabox is not multi-tenant and has no token/password protection" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:51 |
dtantsur | a spec. for sure | 17:52 |
dtantsur | I'm not even sure I agree with the problem statement, let alone the solution | 17:52 |
rloo | dtantsur: ok. yeah, more details would be useful. will comment. | 17:52 |
rloo | next.. | 17:53 |
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dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1657170 Change VIF list endpoint to output additional information | 17:53 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1657170 in Ironic "[RFE] Change VIF list endpoint to output additional information" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Vasyl Saienko (vsaienko) | 17:53 |
vdrok | so I see sambetts ' comment | 17:53 |
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vdrok | the idea was just to include a bunch of stuff in response for use in nova virt driver so as not to do additional calls into ironic api | 17:54 |
dtantsur | while the API-SIG hates it, we can add a parameter IIRC called "include" to make node-list include ports, vifs, whatever | 17:55 |
dtantsur | I agree with Sam that it does expose an internal detail | 17:55 |
rloo | were vifs written/designed to have additional info, that info depended on the network interface? | 17:55 |
vdrok | here is the bit of code https://jenkins.mtn5.cci.att.com/job/FUEL-9.0-kilo-generic-gigantic_single/1317/ | 17:55 |
dtantsur | we're moving the to the bright future of hardware that allocates NICs on fly | 17:55 |
vdrok | gah | 17:55 |
vdrok | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L901-L904 | 17:55 |
vdrok | rloo: correct | 17:56 |
* sambetts hates that the nova driver needs to have any info from the ironic ports | 17:56 | |
sambetts | tbh I don't hink it does really | 17:56 |
dtantsur | oh, this has a lot of the assumptions | 17:56 |
rloo | vdrok: i'd have to look at the code, but then, maybe the network driver can populate that vif info... | 17:56 |
jlvillal | I recommend "?detail=True" :) | 17:57 |
sambetts | jlvillal: ;) | 17:57 |
* jlvillal has been reviewing sambetts' code :) | 17:57 | |
rloo | i think it needs a spec | 17:57 |
dtantsur | yeah, I feel like there are options to consider here | 17:57 |
rloo | if it can be genearlized or something | 17:58 |
dtantsur | and new API endpoints usually require a spec anywa | 17:58 |
rloo | right | 17:58 |
jlvillal | 2 minutes left... | 17:58 |
rloo | ok, next, we have 2 min... | 17:58 |
dtantsur | but that's a good call vdrok, this nova code has to be refactored | 17:58 |
sambetts | +1 to generalizing and removing assumtions from nova | 17:58 |
dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1719582 complete SSL support for https image references | 17:58 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1719582 in Ironic "[RFE] complete SSL support for https image references" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Pavlo Shchelokovskyy (pshchelo) | 17:58 |
pas-ha | just want to get opinions on what to do re config options here | 17:59 |
rloo | pas-ha: i think we should just reuse. if that doesn't work for someone, we could always add new options later? | 17:59 |
dtantsur | well, the image URLs are coming through driver_info/instance_info, right? | 17:59 |
vdrok | ok, will try to add somth to the bug | 17:59 |
dtantsur | then I think the SSL options should come from there as well... | 17:59 |
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dtantsur | anyway, let's move to the channel | 18:00 |
dtantsur | thanks all | 18:00 |
dtantsur | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 4 18:00:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
rloo | dtantsur: thx | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-12-04-17.00.html | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-12-04-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-12-04-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 20:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 4 20:00:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:01 |
jungleboyj | @! | 20:01 |
_pewp_ | jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ | 20:01 |
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smcginnis | ./ | 20:02 |
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ildikov | hi :) | 20:02 |
spotz | \o/ | 20:02 |
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ildikov | thanks to diablo_rojo_phon, we have a long agenda for today :) | 20:03 |
ildikov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings | 20:03 |
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diablo_rojo_phon | I can be here until the flight attendant tells me to turn my phone off :) | 20:04 |
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ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: safe travels! :) | 20:04 |
ildikov | I think we can start | 20:04 |
ildikov | #Announcements | 20:04 |
ildikov | Mondays... | 20:05 |
ildikov | #topic Announcements | 20:05 |
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jungleboyj | It happens to the best of us. :-) | 20:05 |
ildikov | we are pretty close to the holidays, so we should try to get some progress now! :) | 20:05 |
ildikov | beyond this we have a couple of OpenStack Days events for next year interested, we will get back to you with more info once the event planes and dates are settled | 20:06 |
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diablo_rojo_phon | Three events. One in Europe. One is South America. One is Asia. | 20:07 |
jungleboyj | Cool. | 20:07 |
ildikov | and we will have two Summits next year as usual with two trainings that we need to prepare to | 20:07 |
ildikov | so let's talk a bit about Vancouver | 20:07 |
ildikov | #topic Schedule of flow for Vancouver | 20:08 |
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ildikov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OUI_exercises_reform | 20:08 |
ildikov | we have our reform etherpad still open | 20:08 |
ildikov | the goal is to re-think the training with the Contributor Portal in mind | 20:08 |
ildikov | we can also think about how to get the students more engaged during the course | 20:09 |
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ildikov | beyond stickers :) | 20:09 |
jungleboyj | :-) | 20:09 |
ildikov | chocolate doesn't work that well | 20:09 |
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jungleboyj | ildikov: I thought it worked well. :-) | 20:10 |
ildikov | and pens are heavy to carry home after the training... :) | 20:10 |
jungleboyj | Beer and Wine! | 20:10 |
ildikov | jungleboyj: people were more excited about the stickers | 20:10 |
spotz | I thought the tim tas went well even the Aussies were picking them:) | 20:10 |
ildikov | :) | 20:10 |
jungleboyj | spotz: You can get them a Target now. | 20:10 |
spotz | Don't tell anyone jungleboyj I'm making gift tins out of a couple boxes! | 20:11 |
ildikov | not bad, but stickers were *the* hit as far as I remember | 20:11 |
ildikov | spotz: nice! :) | 20:11 |
jungleboyj | spotz: Nice. :-) | 20:11 |
ildikov | ok, back to the meeting topic :) | 20:11 |
ildikov | so please throw ideas to the etherpad | 20:11 |
ildikov | go crazy and try to think outside the box | 20:11 |
jungleboyj | Will do. | 20:11 |
ildikov | we should at least try :) | 20:12 |
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ildikov | we would also like to continue building a liaison team that we started early this year | 20:12 |
ildikov | to get the activity on the project teams' mind | 20:13 |
ildikov | we could also connect the on boarding room activities with the training activities this way easier | 20:13 |
spotz | ildikov: I think the main probably is most folks don't know necessarily months or even weeks in advance they're going | 20:13 |
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ildikov | spotz: I thought to have people who can give a heads up to their team when we're having more info on what projects we need coverage for | 20:14 |
ildikov | spotz: also to maintain some ideas and exercises for the on boarding rooms | 20:14 |
ildikov | the latter one is more of a nice to have | 20:14 |
spotz | ok | 20:14 |
ildikov | spotz: does it make sense? | 20:15 |
spotz | ildikov: Yeah I was thinking more of Laison to line up folks to come | 20:15 |
jungleboyj | spotz: Makes sense. | 20:15 |
jungleboyj | I mean ildikov | 20:15 |
ildikov | we can also set a deadline on how much in advance we can expect/try to get reps from project teams where we need it from | 20:16 |
jungleboyj | ildikov: That would be good so we aren't scrambling at the last minute. | 20:16 |
ildikov | spotz: yep, someone who's on board roughly with what we do and can help us find someone | 20:16 |
smcginnis | I think even if we don't get reps from projects, making sure they are aware of the activities could be good. | 20:16 |
jungleboyj | Would be good to have someone bringing it up in weekly meetings a month or so before the Summit. | 20:17 |
jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 20:17 |
ildikov | jungleboyj: we will have a little scrambling anyway, but hopefully we can reduce that | 20:17 |
jungleboyj | I am in the Cinder/Swift and Manila meetings and can keep covering those. | 20:17 |
ildikov | smcginnis: +1 | 20:17 |
spotz | And if we push that we can be a stepping stone for their onboarding rooms that might get us more input | 20:17 |
ildikov | spotz: exactly! | 20:17 |
jungleboyj | spotz: Might be good to start more like 6 - 8 weeks ahead of time then | 20:18 |
spotz | I think it ties back in with our discussions about helping to give folks ideas on what to do in their onboarding rooms | 20:19 |
ildikov | I can take the action to reach out to the liaisons we have currently on the list and check whether they are still willing to do it | 20:19 |
ildikov | and find a new person if needed | 20:19 |
ildikov | and we can expend on the list picking those projects we got interest on the past 2-3 trainings | 20:19 |
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jungleboyj | Sounds good. Keep expanding our reach. | 20:21 |
spotz | Yeah there were definitely tables the last 2 summits with no one interested in the projects | 20:22 |
ildikov | I think 3-4 weeks before the training we should have a 70-80% coverage as for mentors | 20:22 |
jungleboyj | ++ | 20:22 |
diablo_rojo_phon | +2 | 20:22 |
ildikov | depends a bit on RSVP's as well, which I expect better now that we'll be back in North America | 20:22 |
jungleboyj | Yeah, that will be nice to have a better idea of the audience. | 20:22 |
ildikov | will be back to that topic in a bit | 20:23 |
ildikov | another idea is to set a date for the pre-Summit mentor meeting, which we usually have as a Hangouts call | 20:23 |
ildikov | I think it's a tougher one | 20:23 |
ildikov | we can give it a try to set one in the 3-4 weeks prior timeframe | 20:24 |
spotz | I think that's a hrd call not knowing who's going to mentor yet | 20:24 |
smcginnis | Might be hard to know availability too far ahead of time, but if we get it on the cal=endar that might be good. | 20:24 |
ildikov | I would avoid setting one too far in advance as we will most probably need to change it anyhow | 20:24 |
diablo_rojo_phon | I think we should also make that meeting a hard stop for changes to the training exercises. | 20:24 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Exceptions can be made of course, but as a general rule. | 20:24 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Going dark :) | 20:25 |
spotz | Well we can go with the vague, 3 weeks before summit we will have a meeting:) | 20:25 |
jungleboyj | spotz: That is a good target. | 20:25 |
ildikov | I would have it closer to the Summit | 20:26 |
jungleboyj | ildikov: 2 weeks? People start disappearing after that. | 20:27 |
ildikov | and try to set an exact date like 3-4 weeks before the Summit if we managed to get mentors by then | 20:27 |
ildikov | yeah, two weeks I think would be ideal | 20:27 |
jungleboyj | Ok. | 20:27 |
ildikov | to see where we have anything last minute to fix/do without people thinking we have a plenty of time so no one does anything :) | 20:28 |
ildikov | that would definitely be a hard deadline for exercises and the flow of the training | 20:29 |
ildikov | fixing bugs, typos of course encouraged any time | 20:29 |
jungleboyj | Agreed. That should be the target for having all the main changes in place. | 20:29 |
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ildikov | we can get back to the timeline, but sounds like a good start | 20:30 |
ildikov | ok, let's move on if no questions/objections to this topic? | 20:31 |
jungleboyj | I am good. | 20:31 |
ildikov | #topic Migration of Info from OUI Content to contributor Portal | 20:31 |
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ildikov | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/913 | 20:32 |
ildikov | so we have a few tasks in Storyboard already for the migration | 20:32 |
ildikov | please check | 20:32 |
ildikov | and pick one or create new tasks and pick one after that :) | 20:32 |
jungleboyj | Ok. | 20:33 |
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ildikov | I think we should move slides over to archive once content is moved with a huge warning on the date it was last updated | 20:33 |
jungleboyj | So the goal there is to start taking what we currently have in our slides and make them a part of the portal? | 20:34 |
ildikov | and adding a link to the contributor portal page where the latest info can be found | 20:34 |
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jungleboyj | ++ | 20:34 |
ildikov | jungleboyj: yes, moving the content over and keep the exercises in the training slides | 20:34 |
jungleboyj | Ok. | 20:34 |
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ildikov | so we would basically create exercises to walk the students through the relevant info | 20:35 |
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ildikov | as a strategy we will also try to use diagrams/pictures where we can | 20:37 |
ildikov | in the Portal | 20:37 |
ildikov | to avoid people being overwhelmed with a lot of text, especially in case of non-native speakers | 20:38 |
jungleboyj | Yeah, that is one of my worries moving to the Portal. Could be even more boring. We need to figure out how to avoid that. | 20:38 |
ildikov | think about what make sense, there's no pressure either way, the point is to ensure that people get the information we would like to share | 20:38 |
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smcginnis | Will there be translations made for the portal? | 20:39 |
ildikov | yeah, that's certainly not the point :) | 20:39 |
smcginnis | Just curious. :) | 20:39 |
ildikov | smcginnis: good question, I need to ask around about that | 20:39 |
ildikov | I would think so | 20:39 |
smcginnis | Cool. | 20:40 |
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ildikov | any further questions/comments to this one? | 20:40 |
jungleboyj | Not from me. I really need to look closer at the Portal and figure out how we can maybe map the pieces together. | 20:41 |
ildikov | jungleboyj: sounds good | 20:42 |
ildikov | moving on then | 20:42 |
ildikov | #topic Brainstorm how better to promote for Vancouver? | 20:43 |
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ildikov | we were facing a bit of a challenge in promoting Sydney | 20:43 |
smcginnis | We need an OUI jingle. | 20:43 |
jungleboyj | Radio ... TV | 20:43 |
ildikov | I think that was a bit of a unique situation due to the location | 20:43 |
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ildikov | BUT | 20:43 |
ildikov | it will not hurt to think about how to spread the word | 20:44 |
ildikov | we are usually doing a few rounds of Tweets | 20:44 |
jungleboyj | Nice to have a Logo now. That helps. | 20:44 |
smcginnis | I wonder if we can get more visibility on the summit web site. And mention in the Reason to Attend. | 20:44 |
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jungleboyj | Another Superuser article maybe about what we are doing to develop the project between now and then to get this in people's minds. | 20:45 |
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ildikov | smcginnis: those are good ideas | 20:45 |
jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 20:45 |
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jungleboyj | I know we were linked from the Summit website but it was kind of hidden I thought. | 20:45 |
ildikov | smcginnis: some web pages have those headers that are switching a few images, we could have something like that for the Summit having the training up there | 20:45 |
smcginnis | ++ | 20:46 |
smcginnis | I do think it could help somem get justification to go if their management knows they will come back smarterer. | 20:46 |
ildikov | if the info needs to be found on the web site then it's like wheel of fortune anyway... | 20:46 |
ildikov | I think we could user the SuperUser blog to both advertise the new Portal and the training | 20:47 |
jungleboyj | True enough. I should probably start the sponsorship discussion soon and I wonder if there is anything we can do to help promote. | 20:48 |
ildikov | smcginnis: yeah, they'll be smarter however it's trickier to turn into immediate progress; hence challenge re management... | 20:48 |
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ildikov | jungleboyj: good question, we can get back to that early next year after giving it some thoughts | 20:51 |
jungleboyj | Right. Miro and I are kind-of talking about this right now. | 20:51 |
ildikov | if anyone would like to write up a SuperUser blog post please do so and ping me or diablo_rojo_phon if you need any help! :) | 20:52 |
ildikov | jungleboyj: coolio! | 20:52 |
ildikov | jungleboyj: thanks! | 20:53 |
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jungleboyj | ildikov: No problem! | 20:53 |
ildikov | we will also keep experimenting with the OpenStack Days events regarding trainings and use that for advertising if that format works out well | 20:54 |
smcginnis | ildikov: I wonder if we should also see if there is any interest in a mini training at the ops midcycle. | 20:55 |
ildikov | smcginnis: sure, we can do an ops focused one | 20:55 |
smcginnis | I think a few of those folks already participate, but there might be more than would contribute if they knew how. | 20:55 |
smcginnis | I've been attending the weekly meetings. I'll see if there's interest. | 20:55 |
ildikov | smcginnis: the question is how much it is a mid cycle for already experienced people and how much we expect new people to show up | 20:55 |
jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 20:55 |
smcginnis | They are looking for session proposals for the next event in March. | 20:55 |
smcginnis | Already experienced people running OpenStack. | 20:56 |
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smcginnis | But there might be some that would contribute docs, etc., if they were more comforatable with how that works. | 20:56 |
ildikov | happy to look into whether we could share any useful info with them | 20:56 |
smcginnis | VW might have an opinion. | 20:56 |
ildikov | as if they made it to the mid cycle then they are already engaged with the community at least a bit :) | 20:57 |
smcginnis | ildikov: Yep! | 20:57 |
ildikov | smcginnis: having them contributing back would be great! | 20:57 |
ildikov | smcginnis: so plz keeps us up to date | 20:57 |
smcginnis | Will do. | 20:57 |
ildikov | smcginnis: I'm also happy to join any of the weekly meetings if you need support :) | 20:58 |
ildikov | ok, let's open up the floor for the remaining one minute :) | 20:59 |
smcginnis | ildikov: Sure, I can try to remember to ping you before the next one, or pull you in if it looks like the conversations going anywher. | 20:59 |
ildikov | #topic Open dicussion | 20:59 |
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ildikov | smcginnis: sounds good, thanks! | 20:59 |
VW | what might I have an opinion on smcginnis | 20:59 |
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ildikov | I need to close the meeting | 21:00 |
ildikov | thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
smcginnis | VW: We were just talking about whether it might be useful to do a min Upstream Institute training for the ops midcycle folks. | 21:00 |
smcginnis | VWWe can follow up later. | 21:00 |
smcginnis | VWNot time critical. | 21:00 |
ildikov | move chats over to #openstack-upstream-institute | 21:00 |
VW | cool - let's do | 21:00 |
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ildikov | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
smcginnis | ildikov: Thanks! | 21:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 4 21:00:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-12-04-20.00.html | 21:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-12-04-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-12-04-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
jungleboyj | Thanks ! | 21:00 |
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