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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 20 14:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek,zxy | 14:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| gcb | hi ansmith | 14:02 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 14:02 |
| ansmith | hello | 14:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:02 |
| jungleboyj | Hey, I need to be driving my kids to school. | 14:02 |
| jungleboyj | No issues to report from Cinder though. | 14:02 |
| gcb | jungleboyj: ack, thanks | 14:02 |
| jungleboyj | No problem ... | 14:03 |
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| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:04 | |
| gcb | #chair kgiusti | 14:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: gcb kgiusti | 14:04 |
| gcb | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo shows no errors | 14:04 |
| gcb | #topic Releases | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:05 | |
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| gcb | we just merged pike release in https://review.openstack.org/517978 | 14:05 |
| gcb | and I posted queens release in https://review.openstack.org/521540 | 14:06 |
| gcb | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:06 | |
| gcb | Any review needs more eyes ? | 14:07 |
| gcb | harlowja : https://review.openstack.org/473973 needs your input LOL | 14:08 |
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| gcb | the committer talked with me after the Project update presentation, wondering if we care about this patch | 14:09 |
| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:11 | |
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| kgiusti | gcb: how did the presentation go? | 14:12 |
| gcb | kgiusti: not bad, I went through the slides in 20 minutes, but faster than I expected | 14:14 |
| gcb | hope I can talk much about the details | 14:14 |
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| gcb | at last, we still have some minutes to answer questions LOL | 14:14 |
| kgiusti | gcb: did many people show up? | 14:15 |
| gcb | kgiusti: Does still USA use daylight saving now ? | 14:15 |
| kgiusti | gcb: we're officially on EST now, not EDT | 14:15 |
| kgiusti | gcb: so the meeting now starts at 9am EST (for folks on the east coast) | 14:16 |
| gcb | kgiusti: about 20 people I remember | 14:16 |
| kgiusti | gcb: that's why I missed the last meeting | 14:16 |
| kgiusti | gcb: no unruly mobs with pitchforks and torches? That's good to hear! :) | 14:17 |
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| gcb | kgiusti, do you think we can delay one hours for the meeting, then more people can attend it ? | 14:17 |
| kgiusti | gcb: that's really up to you - west coast USA would probably like that... | 14:18 |
| kgiusti | gcb: since it's 7am there - but that makes things late for you, right? | 14:18 |
| gcb | I'm okay to hold the meeting in 11:00 PM | 14:18 |
| kgiusti | gcb: I'd +1 an hour delay, anyone else? | 14:19 |
| ansmith | +1 | 14:19 |
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| gcb | harlowja, dims, dhellmann: would you like to an hour delay for oslo weekly meeting ? | 14:20 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: this thurs+friday are big holidays in the US (thanksgiving) - maybe folks took the entire week off? | 14:21 |
| gcb | okay, if there is no objection for the change, I will double check the time slot in our IRC meetings schedule | 14:22 |
| gcb | kgiusti: good to know that, shopping days LOL | 14:23 |
| kgiusti | gcb: USA-ians get a little crazy this weekend. I avoid Walmart at all costs until the season passes. Too dangerous. :) | 14:23 |
| gcb | kgiusti: good choice | 14:25 |
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| gcb | any other topic to discuss ? | 14:26 |
| kgiusti | Not from me. | 14:26 |
| gcb | I think we can end the meeting today early :-) | 14:27 |
| gcb | thanks everyone | 14:27 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 20 14:27:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-11-20-14.00.html | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-11-20-14.00.txt | 14:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-11-20-14.00.log.html | 14:28 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 20 15:02:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:02 |
| d0ugal | Hey | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: hi :) | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | so, you and me :) | 15:03 |
| rakhmerov | such a big crowd | 15:03 |
| d0ugal | haha, indeed | 15:03 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:03 |
| d0ugal | Maybe some others will join | 15:03 |
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| rakhmerov | yep, let's wait | 15:03 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: in the meantime, what's about that releasing issue? | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | pypi etc. | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | is it now solved? | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | Good question. I'll check. | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | Yes, it is resolved | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | 5.2.0 was released | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | but what's the latest update on that? | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, that's great | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | and it is on PyPI | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | so we just keep publishing to pypi, right? | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | Yeah | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | awesome, ok | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | solved ) | 15:04 |
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| d0ugal | Doug Hellmann explained it to me - there was a refactor that happened and it broke us | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, ok | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | I think they caught most projects but missed ours, probably because we hadn't released for a while. | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | I think we need to try and release stable branches more often - there were about 30 commits that hadn't been released. | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: so now we've gone through our internal releasing hell and I'll be able to work on Mistral normally | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | but will go on vacation first | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | :) | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, I agree | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | btw | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: make sure d0ugal is registered as the release liaison | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | https://github.com/openstack/mistral/compare/5.1.0...5.2.0 | 15:07 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | ^ it was quite a large release. | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | 2 months patches | 15:07 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 15:07 |
| rakhmerov | so, seems like no more people ) | 15:07 |
| rakhmerov | bobh had a couple of topics actually, maybe he's already working on that | 15:08 |
| bobh | o/ | 15:08 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, hi Bob ) | 15:08 |
| bobh | sorry - couldn't remember if the time changed or not | 15:08 |
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| rakhmerov | bobh: would you like to discuss anything? | 15:08 |
| rakhmerov | no, the meeting time is still the same | 15:09 |
| bobh | I'm working on the blueprint for the dynamic concurrency evaluation | 15:09 |
| d0ugal | the time hasn't changed, but many of us have changed with DST. | 15:09 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: yep, I looked at your email and it seemed pretty straightforward to me but maybe there are some pitfalls? | 15:09 |
| bobh | will be interesting to see if the update to env() can be pushed to the task_ex? | 15:09 |
| bobh | or does it have access to the wf_ex params that get updated | 15:10 |
| bobh | ? | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | hah.. | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | well, let me think.. | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | I guess I didn't realize it in the first place.. | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | so, you want to change env() dynamically? | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | for a specific task? | 15:10 |
| bobh | yes - using workflow-update to change the params | 15:10 |
| bobh | I'd like to modify a value in env() that would control the concurrency | 15:11 |
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| rakhmerov | workflow-update? | 15:11 |
| bobh | sorry | 15:11 |
| rakhmerov | not sure I understand | 15:11 |
| bobh | execution-update | 15:11 |
| rakhmerov | yeah.. | 15:11 |
| rakhmerov | but how are you going to use execution-update? | 15:11 |
| rakhmerov | as far as I understand, we just have a task with 'with-items' that iterates over some items | 15:12 |
| bobh | update the values passed to params which would include an env: dict which is referenced from the task | 15:12 |
| bobh | right | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | yes, but | 15:12 |
| bobh | concurrency is an expression like '{{ env().concurrency }}' | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | 'env' in params and params is a property of execution object | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | not a task execution | 15:12 |
| bobh | right | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | I mean workflow execution | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | so it's a single object per all task executions | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | so then what's the plan? :) | 15:13 |
| bobh | so while I can access it to define the concurrency I wasn't sure the task would have access to the updated values at runtime | 15:13 |
| bobh | dynamically | 15:13 |
| bobh | I'll need to dig into it some more | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | aaah, I see | 15:13 |
| bobh | essentially I'm looking for a way to dynamicaly "throttle" the concurrency | 15:14 |
| rakhmerov | so you don't plan to have a separate copy of params for each task execution, right? | 15:14 |
| rakhmerov | you just want to literally update the same object? | 15:14 |
| bobh | yes | 15:14 |
| rakhmerov | yep, ok | 15:14 |
| bobh | hadn't though about the case where there could be multiple with-items executing at the same time :-) | 15:14 |
| rakhmerov | it just seems like then we need to make sure to have atomic updates of this object | 15:15 |
| rakhmerov | which may not be that easy | 15:15 |
| rakhmerov | yes, it's possible | 15:15 |
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| bobh | they would all get the same env() updates as they would today | 15:15 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 15:15 |
| bobh | which suits my usecase - for now | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | but if one thread/process updates this dict we need to make sure to lock it somehow | 15:16 |
| bobh | the update would only come from the API | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | so that other threads don't make parallel changes | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 15:16 |
| bobh | the task itself can't modify the env - it's immutable (I tried :-) ) | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, wait a sec.. | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | I think I didn't understand again | 15:17 |
| rakhmerov | so you use case as I understand it: you have 'with-items' task(s) | 15:17 |
| rakhmerov | and at some point you just update the env through the API, right? | 15:17 |
| bobh | yes | 15:17 |
| rakhmerov | and your task just needs to see an updated value? | 15:17 |
| bobh | yes | 15:17 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, then I'm pretty sure it should be OK | 15:17 |
| bobh | well -the with-items concurrency check | 15:17 |
| rakhmerov | we just need to test it | 15:18 |
| bobh | ok | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:18 |
| bobh | I was afraid there was a copy of the execution context/params inthe task ex | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | no-no | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | it's one ojbect | 15:18 |
| bobh | whew | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 15:18 |
| bobh | cool - so I'll mock it up and test it | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | anything else? ) | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | yes, please | 15:18 |
| bobh | I'd like to get some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514317/ | 15:19 |
| bobh | not critical but would be nice to have | 15:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:19 |
| bobh | I'll do the limit update in the client to fix that problem | 15:19 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, d0ugal: review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514317/ | 15:19 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: ok, yes | 15:19 |
| rakhmerov | thanks a lot | 15:20 |
| bobh | and get the task PR finished that I was working on | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 15:20 |
| bobh | Hopefully Mike has some ideas on how to do the sorting of the results | 15:20 |
| bobh | Not sure how to do two sorts :-) | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | yes, he'll reply | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | I guess he's on a day off today or something | 15:20 |
| bobh | cool - I think that's all I have | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | I couldn't reach out to him too yet | 15:20 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 15:20 |
| bobh | I'm off this week too | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:21 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: do you have anything? | 15:21 |
| rakhmerov | seems like nobody else is coming so I'd suggest we make it short | 15:21 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's end the meeting then | 15:21 |
| bobh | thanks! | 15:22 |
| rakhmerov | I'm available as usually, if needed | 15:22 |
| rakhmerov | thanks! | 15:22 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:22 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 20 15:22:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-11-20-15.02.html | 15:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-11-20-15.02.txt | 15:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-11-20-15.02.log.html | 15:22 |
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| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 20 17:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | Hi all! Welcome to the regular meeting of bears doing drums!</kidding> | 17:01 |
| etingof | o/ | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | w00t :) | 17:01 |
| * NobodyCam offers up a rimshot | 17:01 | |
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| mjturek | o/ | 17:01 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: I thought we were upgrading to cute koalas ;) | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | cute koalas doing heavy metal | 17:02 |
| TheJulia | \o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminder | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminder (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:02 | |
| rloo | TheJulia: koalas are passe. isn't the future 'grizzly bears' (vancouver)? | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | a few useful ML discussions here | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #info Summary of Ironic sessions from Sydney: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124520.html | 17:02 |
| milan_ | aaah here it is! the mtg :) o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | many thanks to TheJulia for writing this up | 17:02 |
| rloo | +++ | 17:02 |
| rpioso | Thank you, TheJulia! | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | #info Midcycle information: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124724.html | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | #info Midcycle is on Nov 27th, see ML and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-queens-midcycle for details | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | #info Moving this meeting to our channel, please comment: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124580.html | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | and the last but certainly not the least | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | #info RFC: automatic upgrade to hardware types: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124509.html | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | actually, this may be a midcycle topic, I'll add it | 17:04 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 17:04 |
| rloo | just do it dtantsur! :) | 17:05 |
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| NobodyCam | Great write up TheJulia :) | 17:05 |
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| dtantsur | rloo: e.g. aschultz asks for an API-level changes to silently replace classic drivers with hardware types | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | s/an// | 17:05 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh, i missed that | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | #info python-ironicclient 2.0.0 and ironic 9.2.0 released | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | anything else? :) | 17:06 |
| rloo | yay, we finally released! | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | FINALLY | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wrt midcycle, do we decide on the agenda, etc, at the midcycle itself? | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | there are topics on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-queens-midcycle | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so do we accept topics still, and if so, til when? | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | given that I was the only person adding topics, I don't mind people adding them till the date of the midcycle :D | 17:08 |
| TheJulia | I kind of feel like we should just roll with it | 17:08 |
| rloo | ok. all i am going to say to that is 'if the topic requires preparing' and it gets added late, i'm going to nix it, because i don't want to waste everyone's time | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | fair enough | 17:09 |
| TheJulia | Reasonable | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | we can say that topics added after the 4 already proposed will be covered only if we have enough time | 17:09 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok with me | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | any other announcements? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:12 | |
| rloo | are we going to vote in this meeting, about where to hold th emeeting? | 17:12 |
| rloo | i mean the weekly meetings, not the midcycle :) | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | rloo: let's postpone it till open discussion please :) | 17:12 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-11-13-17.10.html | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | so, I did some bug triaging indeed, results are at | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-triage | 17:13 |
| rloo | thx dtantsur! | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha promised a discussion on taking n-g-s under our wing, and he did as well | 17:13 |
| * dtantsur looks for a link | 17:13 | |
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| dtantsur | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124519.html | 17:13 |
| rloo | dtantsur: let's go with 1 (add to ironic governance) | 17:14 |
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| dtantsur | I'm fine with that, I'll propose it soon, if nobody objects | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | #action dtantsur to officially propose n-g-s under ironic program, if nobody objects really soon | 17:14 |
| * rloo likes these action thingies | 17:15 | |
| dtantsur | yeah, me too :) | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | any comments? | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | 3.. | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | 2.. | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | 1.. | 17:15 |
| rloo | what happened with the idea of holding weekly meetings for vendors? | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | mmm | 17:15 |
| rloo | that was an action item from a long time ago | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | there was some discussion, but it ended in nothing? | 17:15 |
| rloo | cuz we didn't do this #action thing then! proof that it is worth doing :) | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | rajinir was asking people around | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | rajinir: hi, here? | 17:16 |
| rloo | yeah, i remember the ML, not much discussion there | 17:16 |
| rpioso | rajinir is out this week for the Thanksgiving holiday. | 17:17 |
| rpioso | And I just returned to the office this morning :) | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | given that we don't have concerned vendor people asking me about this meeting, nobody really cares... | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | ack, thanks rpioso | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:18 | |
| dtantsur | let's follow the agenda, we can get back to it later | 17:18 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard line 150 | 17:18 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: this reminds me, wrt deprecating ironic CLI. given the questions about migrating classic to hw types, i wonder if we should make more noise about deprecating ironic CLI... | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | rloo: CLI deprecation is more visible to folks interacting with it | 17:20 |
| rloo | dtantsur: am wondering if folks will push back/say it isn't enough time for deprecation. i guess we can wait til later to mention it more, dunno. | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | w/r/t refarch guide, do we have any other patches up for that beyond the initial context setting | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | ? | 17:21 |
| rloo | dtantsur: alex's mention of tooling reminded me of it | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: nope, ENOTENOUGHTIME | 17:22 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: Ack, know the feeling :( | 17:22 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i added another item to classi drivers deprecation -- the migration stuff | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | rloo: some folks certainly will be sad | 17:22 |
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| dtantsur | as I wrote there, I'm worried about graphical console, or rather its lack of progress | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | vdrok, rpioso, your names are on ^^^, what's the status? | 17:26 |
| rloo | dtantsur: would be good to get status for next week's midcycle | 17:27 |
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| dtantsur | can someone please take an action item? | 17:28 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: re graphical console? | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | yes | 17:28 |
| rloo | i thought pas-ha said that he'd update the spec? | 17:28 |
| rloo | at PTG | 17:28 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: I don't think there are any updates, maybe pas-ha knows more | 17:28 |
| rloo | vdrok: since you're here, what about cleaning up deploy interfaces? | 17:29 |
| vdrok | don't have any progress on that either :( | 17:29 |
| rloo | vdrok: any idea when you might have time to work on it? | 17:29 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: re: graphical console, I don't have an update. | 17:29 |
| vdrok | rloo: I think next week | 17:30 |
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| rloo | vdrok: great! | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | #action vdrok to help moving graphical console forward | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | not necessary even coding, just showing some progress... | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | otherwise we're not making it for sure | 17:31 |
| vdrok | will do | 17:32 |
| rloo | oh wait, is vdrok offering to do graphical console, or deploy interface, or both? | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | oh, good question | 17:32 |
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| dtantsur | vdrok: which one/two are you volunteering for? :) | 17:33 |
| rloo | vdrok is so nice, maybe he'll do both... | 17:33 |
| vdrok | dtantsur rloo: can try both :) | 17:33 |
| rloo | yay! | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | thanks vdrok | 17:33 |
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| dtantsur | is everyone done with the statuses? | 17:33 |
| * rloo is done | 17:34 | |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deciding on priorities for the coming week (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:34 | |
| dtantsur | so, can we move zuul out of the priorities now? | 17:34 |
| rloo | dtantsur: there are some ongoing zuul-related patches, but given that it is mostly cores reviewing those, yup, i'll ping you. | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | so, we have midcycle planning, the BIOS spec and some rescue stuff | 17:35 |
| TheJulia | I think so, bifrost just has one outstanding patch at the moment | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | do we have something high-priority to throw there? | 17:36 |
| rloo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476171/ | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | I can offer my documentation changes, I know rloo loves reviewing them ;) | 17:36 |
| TheJulia | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1699547 | 17:36 |
| * rloo has new rule; one doc patch from dmitry per week | 17:36 | |
| rloo | TheJulia: yup, that's the next patch ^^ | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | rloo: wow, I haven't heard about this rule :) | 17:37 |
| rloo | dtantsur: just came up with it, fresh off the press! | 17:37 |
| TheJulia | rloo: I suspect we could land the cinder one today if we wanted to | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | that's why I also added the ironicclient one ;) | 17:37 |
| rloo | TheJulia: that would be great. may need a rebase cuz of reno | 17:37 |
| TheJulia | yeah, already -1'ed it | 17:38 |
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| dhellmann | if we need to rebase something because of reno, that may be a bug in reno. please let me know what the details are if you have some time after your meeting | 17:38 |
| TheJulia | dhellmann: we changed the files used | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | wow, dhellmann has an alert on the word "reno" :) | 17:39 |
| TheJulia | so less a rebase, more of an edit to the patch. | 17:39 |
| dhellmann | TheJulia : ah, ok, cool | 17:39 |
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| rloo | dhellmann: thx for offering though! you're like a genie :) | 17:39 |
| * dhellmann dissolves back into his bottle | 17:40 | |
| dtantsur | yeah, thanks dhellmann | 17:40 |
| milan_ | lol | 17:40 |
| * dtantsur hopes it's a bottle of good whiskey | 17:40 | |
| * dhellmann sees no point in bad whiskey | 17:40 | |
| dtantsur | +++ | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | anyway, I risked adding my docs changes too, if somebody has less restrictions on reading my English than rloo :) | 17:40 |
| rloo | priorities look good to me | 17:40 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i'm fine with the docs patch, i think i already reviewed :) | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | yeah, it needs an update, I'll try to do it tomorrow morning | 17:41 |
| * milan_ would <3 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466448/ if inspector counts ;) | 17:41 | |
| rloo | dtantsur: take your time :) | 17:41 |
| milan_ | * priorities I mean | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | milan_: it's on the subteam prio list | 17:42 |
| rloo | milan_: you can put that down at L135 ish | 17:42 |
| rloo | oh yeah, already there | 17:42 |
| milan_ | it's been there for a while | 17:42 |
| milan_ | ;) so raising the awareness :P | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | yeah, I'd like folks to do more subteam reviews, to be honest | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | esp. with n-g-s joining soon | 17:42 |
| * rloo can barely do the top list of reviews... | 17:42 | |
| dtantsur | okay, how is the list looking? | 17:42 |
| rloo | looks like a lot :D | 17:43 |
| * milan_ thinks there should be just single prio list but off-topic I guess | 17:43 | |
| rloo | so good | 17:43 |
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| dtantsur | milan_: it won't help, if people don't/can't/don't want to review, say, inspector | 17:44 |
| milan_ | dtantsur, even less if it's on a separate list ;) but yeah | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | #topic Appointing a bug triaging lead for the coming week | 17:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Appointing a bug triaging lead for the coming week (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:44 | |
| dtantsur | I cannot promise to do it this time, thanks to IKEA :) anyone? | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | milan_: wanna do some bug triaging? :) | 17:45 |
| milan_ | I could for inspector? | 17:45 |
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| milan_ | sure :) | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | see, I read your mind :D | 17:45 |
| milan_ | lol | 17:45 |
| * etingof could probably learn from milan_ | 17:45 | |
| dtantsur | milan_: you can try other projects too, it does not need deep knowledge | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | aha, nice | 17:45 |
| milan_ | ack :) | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | #action milan_ and etingof to lead bug triaging this week | 17:45 |
| milan_ | put me on the list | 17:45 |
| etingof | pair programming! | 17:45 |
| milan_ | \0/ old school hard core agile stuff! :D | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | heh | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | #topic RFE review | 17:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFE review (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:46 | |
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| dtantsur | rloo, the mic is yours | 17:46 |
| rloo | thx dtantsur | 17:46 |
| rloo | welcome one and all | 17:46 |
| rloo | ha ha | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1680160 deprecate "hash_distribution_replicas" config option | 17:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1680160 in Ironic "[RFE] deprecate "hash_distribution_replicas" config option" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | I can work as a #link-er | 17:46 |
| rloo | ok, let's get down to business. i'd like to know what folks think about these RFEs. can we approve, need more info, need spec? | 17:47 |
| rloo | i'm good with deprecating this. Others? | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | ++ looks dangerous | 17:47 |
| rloo | dtantsur: dangerous to keep, right? not to remove? | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | and we're not doing good job gate-testing even the simplest HA scenario (sigh!) | 17:47 |
| TheJulia | lets do it | 17:47 |
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| dtantsur | dangerous for operators to use | 17:48 |
| rloo | good. thx! | 17:48 |
| rloo | i'll update them later | 17:48 |
| rloo | next... | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1710850 SNMP driver does not implement security features | 17:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1710850 in Ironic "[RFE] SNMP driver does not implement security features" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:48 |
| * etingof can work on this | 17:49 | |
| rloo | thx etingof :) | 17:49 |
| TheJulia | I could have sworn it was proposed already... I'm good with it | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | etingof: do we need to directly depend on cryptosomething? | 17:49 |
| rloo | i don't know enough about the pycrypto etc concerns. if we think it'll be fine? | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | I don't understand if it's just a dependency on pysnmp or we have to use it directly from ironic | 17:49 |
| etingof | no, just pysnmp | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | okay, then it's not our problem (well, unless we really try to bring driver dependencies to g-r) | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | approving then? | 17:50 |
| rloo | do folksneed to do anything to migrate from snmpv2 to 3? or is it all 'under the hood'? | 17:50 |
| etingof | alternatively, we could introduce the global dependency on pycryptodomex | 17:50 |
| etingof | rloo, they need to reconfigure both client and server sides of SNMP | 17:51 |
| etingof | rloo, SNMPv3 has different security/authentication model | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | etingof: does it mean a new hardware type essentially? | 17:51 |
| etingof | dtantsur, I hope not | 17:52 |
| rloo | so if we do this, it isn't a choice for them, even if they don't want the security stuff, they'll need to reconfigure? | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | do we have to update virtualpdu to support it? | 17:52 |
| etingof | rloo, if they do not need security they should better stay with SNMPv2c | 17:52 |
| rloo | etingof: so our code will support both? | 17:53 |
| etingof | rloo, if they want security, then they have to provide SNMP username and symmetric keys | 17:53 |
| * dtantsur starts feeling like having a spec... | 17:53 | |
| TheJulia | it should just be a matter of settings | 17:53 |
| etingof | rloo, absolutely, we support both | 17:53 |
| TheJulia | although, virtualpdu support may be more complicated | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | yeah, virtualpdu is one problem | 17:53 |
| rloo | etingof: thx for clarifying | 17:53 |
| etingof | np | 17:53 |
| rloo | then virtualpdu... | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | the second problem is whether we can/should call it the same hardware type | 17:53 |
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| dtantsur | I'm not sure how compatible the two protocols are | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | we do support both IPMI 1.5 and 2.0 via our ipmi hw type | 17:54 |
| rloo | so based on etingof, virtualpdu should still work. as long as we don't want to test the new stuff. | 17:54 |
| * dtantsur does want to test new stuff | 17:54 | |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: every place I've seen snmp support implemented, it is done as settings, not different drivers or overall high level options. | 17:54 |
| * etingof nods | 17:55 | |
| dtantsur | okay, at which point do we switch from v2 to v3? on seeing any of these options? | 17:55 |
| etingof | dtantsur, I think so | 17:55 |
| rloo | i think i'm good with this, but i'd like to put down some caveats, like 'both versions have to be supported', virtualpdu needs to be used for testing both scenarios | 17:55 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: we don't | 17:55 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: we can't | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | mmmmm, then which protocol will the driver use? | 17:56 |
| TheJulia | the driver should be configurable | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | I thought, v2 is none of these options is present, v3 if any is. | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | which is a bit too implicit to my taste | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | do we need an explicit snmp_version field in driver_info? | 17:56 |
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| etingof | dtantsur, yes, we could also introduce snmp_version setting | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | even if it's redundant, it will be clear what the operator's intention is | 17:56 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: that is possible, but several options are required to make it work with v3 | 17:57 |
| TheJulia | ++ snmp_version | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | and we can fail if snmp_version=3, but not all options are present OR if snmp_version=2 but v3 options are present | 17:57 |
| * etingof commented on the required options in the bug | 17:57 | |
| dtantsur | with this ^^ +vpdu in place, I'm good with the RFE | 17:57 |
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| dtantsur | next? 2 mins left | 17:58 |
| rloo | yup, next... | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1708549 for rolling upgrades, pin the API version | 17:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1708549 in Ironic "[RFE] for rolling upgrades, pin the API version" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Ruby Loo (rloo) | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | I think YES | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | just one question: will it use the same conf option? | 17:59 |
| * rloo abstains to avoid conflict of interest :) | 17:59 | |
| rloo | dtantsur: yup, same option | 17:59 |
| TheJulia | definitely yes | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | fine with me.. just let's not forget to document it | 17:59 |
| rloo | thx, done. and doc patch is done too :) | 17:59 |
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| dtantsur | other opinions? | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | thanks all, let's move to our channel | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 20 18:00:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-11-20-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-11-20-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-11-20-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| milan_ | o/ | 18:00 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 20 20:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 20:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ･ω･)ﾉ | 20:00 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: hi :) | 20:00 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Hey, how are you? | 20:01 |
| spotz | \o/ | 20:01 |
| * jungleboyj waves at spotz | 20:01 | |
| ildikov | spotz: hey :) | 20:01 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: all good | 20:01 |
| spotz | I suspect a lot of folks are out | 20:02 |
| jungleboyj | Good. | 20:02 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: spotz: have you recovered from jet lag by now? | 20:02 |
| ildikov | spotz: yeah, I know, not a lucky timing :/ | 20:02 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Kind-of. I have had a cold since I have gotten home so I can't tell how much of it is jetlag and how much of it is being sick. | 20:02 |
| spotz | ildikov: Yeah I slept for 12 hours then was all good. You? | 20:02 |
| ildikov | as the week after the Summit is usually quiet and now we have Thanksgiving week right after :S | 20:03 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: I know how that feels, sorry :( | 20:03 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I hope you'll get better soon | 20:03 |
| jungleboyj | Oh yeah, you are the one who gave it to me! ;-) | 20:03 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: I don't think I was contagious :) | 20:04 |
| ildikov | spotz: I'm still in Australia :) | 20:04 |
| ildikov | spotz: so I suffer from very early morning or late night meetings... | 20:04 |
| spotz | So jealous:( Mark tweeted me a picture from the Hobbit set in NZ | 20:04 |
| jungleboyj | :-) A bunch of us came home sick. Oh well, better to be sick afterwards than during. | 20:04 |
| ildikov | spotz: haha, I was at the place, but finally didn't take the tour, didn't have two hours for it | 20:05 |
| ildikov | spotz: but just the area itself is magical! | 20:05 |
| spotz | I want to go so badly | 20:05 |
| ildikov | New Zealand is BEAUTIFUL!!! | 20:06 |
| * jungleboyj will have to leave time to go next time. | 20:06 | |
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| spotz | Not helping ildikov!:) | 20:07 |
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| ildikov | Sorry, lol :) | 20:07 |
| ildikov | Ok, I don't think we will get much more people here. | 20:08 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:09 |
| ildikov | so what I would like to start thinking about and get action on this year is: | 20:10 |
| ildikov | 1. moving content to the contributor portal | 20:10 |
| ildikov | 2. restructuring our exercises to be more hands-on, adventurous and exciting for people who attend the training | 20:11 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:11 |
| ildikov | I think we captured these on the retro etherpad as well | 20:11 |
| ildikov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-OUI-Retrospective | 20:11 |
| ildikov | so everyone can get inspiration from there or just come up with ideas in general | 20:12 |
| spotz | Yeah I think most of it plus some other things are there | 20:12 |
| ildikov | I can create an etherpad for brainstorming on the exercises | 20:12 |
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| ildikov | and how to ensure that we get time for the deep dives | 20:12 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Thanks for the ping. | 20:12 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: tnx for joining :) | 20:12 |
| spotz | Oh sure you show up for her.... :) | 20:13 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, setting up more engaging and hands on exercises is going to be an interesting challenge. | 20:13 |
| smcginnis | spotz: Sorry Amy!!! :] | 20:13 |
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| spotz | smcginnis: I have the power!:) | 20:14 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: it's only a few of us and I've just mentioned that having progress on moving things to the Contributor Portal and restructuring our exercises a bit would be this year's focus | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: You don't know the power she holds over Cinder. ;-) | 20:14 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I have a question on that front after this meeting ;) | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | We are going to need to figure out how we make the hands on exercises as we go through lead up to good deep dive exercises. | 20:14 |
| * jungleboyj is scared now | 20:15 | |
| smcginnis | So I ended up missing a lot of the feedback. What was the feel with our exercises? Any good recommendations on how to improve them? | 20:15 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: it's not that complicated hopefully :) | 20:15 |
| spotz | I assume we're just going to do the developer 'adventure'? | 20:15 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: so it's always complicated as people miss coding parts, but only a handful of them is experienced enough | 20:15 |
| smcginnis | True | 20:15 |
| ildikov | spotz: well, the common parts and then the developer adventure | 20:16 |
| ildikov | spotz: and we can do docs too | 20:16 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: have you attended the training in Barcelona? | 20:16 |
| smcginnis | We could have some lego kits, and for each exercise they complete they get one piece of the kit. Challenge them to get the full kit. ;) | 20:16 |
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| smcginnis | ildikov: No, I had a conflicting training class during that one. | 20:16 |
| spotz | Oh just FYI if you find a bug in the more main part leading into the portal only Jimmy can fix it | 20:17 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: lol, there are those small lego animals, that could work as a get the full kit challenge in fact :) | 20:17 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Hey, if that motivates some of them. ;) | 20:17 |
| ildikov | spotz: yeah, I had an idea, so it's even more important to catch all the issues we can and give Jimmy a nice list | 20:18 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: :) | 20:18 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: so in Barcelona we had deep dives at the end | 20:18 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: I like that. How'd it go there? | 20:18 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: people sat together with mentors like jungleboyj, vkmc, gmann_afk, etc | 20:18 |
| ildikov | the idea was to go through on one project on how to run tests, how to check on the services in devstack and have exercises for them | 20:19 |
| ildikov | like breaking something in the code and let them find the issue | 20:19 |
| ildikov | have them adding debug LOG messages and find those in the logs while running the services in Devstack | 20:19 |
| ildikov | so these type of activities | 20:20 |
| jungleboyj | I had something in Boston for people to checkout that would break their devstack and then they could work through it but we never got that far. :-( | 20:20 |
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| ildikov | if we could have time for these at the end who feel dedicated enough and has either the motivation or the required skill/knowledge or even preferably both, those people could stick around and get the deeper knowledge | 20:20 |
| ildikov | we could also do similar things on the tooling, like especially Git for people who don't feel competent with that | 20:21 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I know, Boston was exceptionally challenging :( | 20:21 |
| * jungleboyj doesn't feel that going from Code & Documentation -> Storage -> Cinder -> Our Top Level documentation page is helpful. | 20:22 | |
| spotz | Not sure if it's a good idea or not, but in the sign up for the training could we give an idea of what's being discussed each day and what parts might be optional? | 20:22 |
| ildikov | spotz: the idea was always that, we just don't really advertise it right now | 20:23 |
| ildikov | I don't think we need to stress that at the sign up, but more during the intro part | 20:23 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:23 |
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| ildikov | so let people know who are not that interested in the code and doc right now, but are there for learning in general and maybe learning more about the WG's and SIG's that they can leave after this and that module | 20:24 |
| ildikov | and the rest should be excited about this and that after the more general parts | 20:24 |
| ildikov | we can still teach the general contribution flow to everyone | 20:24 |
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| ildikov | so they get the base idea if they or their colleagues would like to get there later | 20:25 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I think the general contribution flow is valid for everyone. | 20:25 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 20:25 |
| spotz | the reason I say sign up is so that folks can plan travel accordingly | 20:25 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: does all the above make sense to you? | 20:26 |
| jungleboyj | More actively communicate the target audience of each section. | 20:26 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Yeah, I like that. That's kind of what I was getting after when we had our call. | 20:26 |
| ildikov | spotz: as we start with the general parts, signing up for the whole shouldn't be an issue and gives them the travel prep heads-up | 20:26 |
| ildikov | spotz: and I don't think we will get there for the next occasion that people could leave after like 3 hours | 20:27 |
| ildikov | or if we completely reverse the order and start with deep dives and finish with the general stuff that can work too | 20:27 |
| ildikov | if we decided that we can talk about sign-ups :) | 20:28 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: ok, cool | 20:28 |
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| ildikov | I created an etherpad for brainstorming: | 20:30 |
| ildikov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OUI_exercises_reform | 20:30 |
| ildikov | please drop ideas there both for exercises and training structure in general | 20:31 |
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| jungleboyj | Oh my. | 20:31 |
| smcginnis | :D | 20:31 |
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| jungleboyj | So how did I become an alcoholic .... | 20:32 |
| smcginnis | You started working on OpenStack. | 20:32 |
| smcginnis | :P | 20:32 |
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| ildikov | hmm, so what did I do now? :) | 20:33 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I am not going to continue down the path this is headed on. | 20:35 |
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| jungleboyj | Docs area good idea. | 20:37 |
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| ildikov | I will send out the etherpad link to the ML as well to give a heads up to people | 20:37 |
| jungleboyj | I know Mark was pushing for Keystone but I think Docs makes more sense as it isn't necessarily obvious how to work with them but we all need to be able to. | 20:37 |
| ildikov | we can also brainstorm about what format we plan to store these as the tool that generates our slides right now is outdated so we will need to step away from it | 20:38 |
| ildikov | yeah, Docs is usually a good start | 20:38 |
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| ildikov | and we can still form groups and have the experts teach how the specifics work in their project | 20:39 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: It would be really nice to be able to create prettier slides than we are currently able to create. | 20:39 |
| ildikov | including a Docs table | 20:39 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: yeah, or think about another way as generating these slides with Sphinx didn't seem that straightforward to me... :) | 20:40 |
| ildikov | ok, I could've spent more time with figuring it out, but still :) | 20:40 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Would be nice to have something that didn't require a lot of figuring out. | 20:41 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:41 |
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| jungleboyj | In a perfect world ... | 20:42 |
| ildikov | so that's basically what I had in mind to chat about for today | 20:42 |
| spotz | What about google docs? That way anyone should be able to work with them? We could keep a download in git | 20:42 |
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| jungleboyj | spotz: I was kind of thinking that but thought such a suggestion might be blasphemous. | 20:43 |
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| spotz | jungleboyj: Well at least it's better then powerpoint as it's more accessible | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed. | 20:44 |
| ildikov | in principal it would be great to have the source live in Git | 20:44 |
| spotz | ildikov: We should be able to download from google and store in git | 20:45 |
| ildikov | *principle | 20:45 |
| marst | Not sure if this was discussed before, but https://katacoda.com/ is awesome. | 20:45 |
| smcginnis | That could come in handy. | 20:46 |
| ildikov | spotz: from review perspective the other way around would be desirable to render it into whatever format we prefer as opposed to move the rendered text into Git, when we're happy with it | 20:46 |
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| jungleboyj | marst: Interesting. | 20:46 |
| spotz | ildikov: Not sure what will work, cause if we review content and graphics and review and then put it into something we'll need to re-review | 20:47 |
| ildikov | marst: I don't think it came up before | 20:47 |
| ildikov | spotz: I'm not sure I follow you now :) | 20:47 |
| ildikov | spotz: I just mean that if we put things in Google doc and then move it to Git that's odd from content review perspective | 20:48 |
| spotz | ildikov: We need to be able to review the final product. Or we'll possibly be reviewing more then once | 20:48 |
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| ildikov | spotz: yep, but Google Docs is not the best for the reviewing part | 20:49 |
| spotz | I think it might be odd no mater what:) Not sure if it's ghe same thing as Marst linked cause I haven't clicked yet but there was an open source slide tool with arrows for navigation | 20:49 |
| ildikov | marst: in what perspective did you bring up Katacoda? I mean to see how they are doing training or to have OpenStack up there or both or something else? | 20:50 |
| ildikov | spotz: our current issue is that we would need to get Sphinx in the picture and deal with .rst as source | 20:51 |
| marst | ildikov: I think we could try to put openstack there, if it's not too difficult. | 20:51 |
| marst | and it does support git. | 20:51 |
| ildikov | marst: is it open source? | 20:52 |
| marst | ildikov: not sure, but looks like no. | 20:52 |
| marst | I haven't used it much, only for K8s trainings. | 20:52 |
| ildikov | if it's not open source that's a problem | 20:53 |
| ildikov | not saying OpenStack being there wouldn't be nice/useful | 20:54 |
| ildikov | but using it for our training is less likely if it's a commercial-only product | 20:54 |
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| ildikov | ok, it seems we have a couple of things to think about! :) | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Sounds good. | 20:56 |
| ildikov | is there anything else to discuss for the remaining 3 minutes? | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | I have put brainstorming how to make the portal more friendly for those interested in Cinder into the agenda for the Cinder meeting this week. | 20:57 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ^^^ :-0 | 20:57 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:57 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: sounds good | 20:57 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: you might want to put it up on the agenda for next week as well tough :) | 20:57 |
| ildikov | *though | 20:57 |
| ildikov | I really need coffee now to be able to type :) | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, probably. Can get it started and then follow up when more people show up. | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | Attendance has been sadly light lately. | 20:58 |
| ildikov | maybe the Summit prep, etc. | 20:59 |
| ildikov | ok, that's it for this week, thanks everyone for joining! | 20:59 |
| jungleboyj | Maybe. | 20:59 |
| ildikov | please look into all the things we talked about and add more thoughts and exercise ideas to the etherpad | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | Will do. :-) | 21:00 |
| ildikov | I will look into Katacoda to get an idea what it is | 21:00 |
| ildikov | and Happy Turkey to all our US team members :) | 21:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 21:00 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 20 21:00:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-11-20-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-11-20-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-11-20-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 21:01 |
| spotz | happy turkey day everyone | 21:01 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Same to you and smcginnis . | 21:01 |
| smcginnis | gobble gobble | 21:02 |
| jungleboyj | gobble till you wobble | 21:02 |
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