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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 25 14:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek,zxy | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| amrith | o/ | 14:00 |
| zxy | o/ | 14:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| dims | gcb : partially here :) o/ | 14:01 |
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| gcb | \o/ | 14:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 14:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 14:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (ஐ╹◡╹)ノ | 14:01 |
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| gcb | #chair kgiusti | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: gcb kgiusti | 14:02 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:02 | |
| amrith | gcb ... partially here, also on a phone call so may be distracted. | 14:02 |
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| amrith | gcb, I will have to appoint a new liaison for trove; no red flags at this time. | 14:02 |
| gcb | wow, busy men lol | 14:02 |
| gcb | amrith, sure | 14:02 |
| jungleboyj | gcb No red flags from Cinder. We are just working through impacts from the deprecation effort. | 14:03 |
| gcb | amrith: I found trove's gate failure recently | 14:03 |
| gcb | jungleboyj: thanks, good to know that | 14:03 |
| jungleboyj | No problem. :-) | 14:04 |
| gcb | #topic Releases | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:05 | |
| gcb | today we have 3 patches for releases | 14:05 |
| gcb | https://review.openstack.org/507097 https://review.openstack.org/507103 https://review.openstack.org/507102 | 14:06 |
| gcb | please let know if want to urgent patch to release this week | 14:06 |
| gcb | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:07 | |
| gcb | dims: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453723/ needs your bless | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | I've approved the queens releases | 14:08 |
| dims | ack on it gcb | 14:08 |
| gcb | dhellmann, dims: thanks | 14:10 |
| gcb | any other stuck reviews ? | 14:10 |
| dims | gcb : one from me https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491783/ | 14:10 |
| gcb | dims: ack will review it today | 14:11 |
| dims | thanks gcb | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | me, too | 14:11 |
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| gcb | hi haypo | 14:12 |
| haypo | hi. tell me when you are available to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/503993/ JSON formatter | 14:12 |
| * haypo is already in a second meeting :) | 14:13 | |
| gcb | haypo: we are discussing stuck reviews | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | it looks like haypo responded to my comment on that one, so I need to go read it more closely | 14:14 |
| haypo | quick summary: oslo.log JSON formatter crash if you pass an object which cannot be serialized | 14:15 |
| haypo | my patch doesn't change the default behaviour, but allow (for example) oslo.log to serialize random objects using repr(obj) | 14:15 |
| haypo | the second problem is that Cinder doesn't want to change the code for one specific oslo.log formatter | 14:16 |
| haypo | and i think that it makes sense, LOG.info("hosts=%s", hosts) works fine with most formatters, except the JSON formatter | 14:17 |
| haypo | why would Cinder modify their code just for one specific formatter whereas str(hosts) doesn't fail? | 14:17 |
| haypo | tell me if you need more details ;) as dhellmann wrote, i tried to reply to all questions/comments | 14:18 |
| gcb | haypo: I guess you need a rebase , we just merged tried to reply to all questions | 14:19 |
| gcb | merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496067 | 14:19 |
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| haypo | gcb: ok. there is no conflict. i just rebased my PR | 14:20 |
| gcb | haypo: I will review it again today | 14:21 |
| haypo | oops, wrong project sorry. i rebased my oslo.log PR | 14:21 |
| haypo | the oslo.log PR is an example how to use my oslo.serialization PR | 14:21 |
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| haypo | ok, the oslo.serialization is now rebased as well. sorry :-) | 14:22 |
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| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:24 | |
| gcb | we have some discussion during the PTG, for details please refer to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-ptg-queens | 14:24 |
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| gcb | any other topics ? | 14:29 |
| * gcb checking dims's patch | 14:30 | |
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| gcb | okay, let's end the meeting today | 14:35 |
| gcb | thanks everyone | 14:35 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 25 14:35:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-09-25-14.00.html | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-09-25-14.00.txt | 14:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-09-25-14.00.log.html | 14:35 |
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| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 25 17:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | hi all | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
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| kaifeng | o/ | 17:00 |
| crushil_ | \o | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
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| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| etingof | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | is our agenda for today | 17:01 |
| anupn | 0/ | 17:01 |
| anupn | *o/ | 17:01 |
| fellypefca | o/ | 17:01 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminder | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | (sorry, got a call) | 17:03 |
| TheJulia | IRC Meeting Life :) | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | #info A bunch of stable releases was done | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | this includes the Pike rolling upgrades fix and the inspection regression | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | also whatever outstanding was in ocata and pike | 17:04 |
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| rloo | thx! | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | now I'd like to get some queens releases, but I haven't checked what we have | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | probably not enough on the ironic side, but maybe enough on ironicclient | 17:05 |
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| dtantsur | #info Queens priorities proposal: https://review.openstack.org/505173 | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | this is important, please review (and thanks to all who reviewed) | 17:05 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: wrt ironicclient, i think we want a major version bump? | 17:06 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: i can discuss with you later | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | rloo: yes, we have two reasons for that already :) | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | I need to check vdrok | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | vdrok's patch though | 17:06 |
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| Nisha_Agarwal | o/ | 17:06 |
| rloo | dtantsur: +1 for getting vdrok's patch in | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | #info dtantsur out Sep 28 - Sep 29; spotty availability the week after (TheJulia to back up) | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | I'm relocating to Berlin :) I'm staying with Red Hat, but of course there'll be some official stuff involved, so I'm not sure I'll be available all the time | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | what is worse, sometimes I'll be suddenly unavailable | 17:07 |
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| dtantsur | I'll definitely catch up on emails and will try to answer pings when I have time | 17:07 |
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| rloo | and dtantsur will host everyone that goes to the Berlin Forum ;) | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | Good luck on the move! Berlin sounds like fun :) | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | :D | 17:08 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: Prost | 17:08 |
| TheJulia | Good luck dtantsur, and remember not to rush on our account! | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | #info dtantsur is still organizing his notes from the PTG into a long human-readable text. please stay tuned. | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | thanks all :) anyone has anything else? | 17:09 |
| rloo | bfv is voting test now | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah, that's great | 17:10 |
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| TheJulia | \o/ | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: do you feel like talking to nova about making it run non-voting on them? | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | or we have no chances? :) | 17:10 |
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| TheJulia | dtantsur: I doubt we have a chance, but I'll poke a few people and see how they feel about it. | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:11 |
| TheJulia | no problem! | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | or did we actually agree to roll this job into existing ones? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | I start recalling something like that from the PTG.. | 17:11 |
| TheJulia | I'm not sure we truly reached consensus on bfv, but we did discuss deduping some of our tests down as standalone jobs | 17:12 |
| TheJulia | bfv has cinder in the stack which adds more of a memory load to the machine, so a devstack based job running many things might not work so well | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | okay, let's start with talking to nova folks | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | if they firmly disagree, we can look into other options | 17:14 |
| TheJulia | I guess I'm just advocating careful progression forward ;) | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | right | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | okay, anything else here? | 17:15 |
| * dtantsur falls asleep in front of the computer, ping him from time to time | 17:15 | |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:16 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard line 134 | 17:16 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: no sleeping until the meeting is over ;) | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | no really much to review - the priorities are not finalized | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | so please review them :) | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | Review request for tempest test migration: https://review.openstack.org/489762 | 17:16 |
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| dtantsur | oh, yes, this one | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | Not sure if this is a good week to do that or not. | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489762/ | 17:17 |
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| dtantsur | jlvillal: I'm half-unavailable, so dunno | 17:17 |
| rloo | jlvillal: we should wait til dtantsur is available i think | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Okay. Works for me. | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | I'd target mid-October | 17:17 |
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| dtantsur | oh, and btw: I'd like to have a call/quartercycle/name it about inspection and ironic-inspector mid-October as well | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | I'll send out something about it soon(ish) | 17:18 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh. will that be too late? i thought there were some decisions that needed to be made soon wrt what direction to take, but i could be wrong. | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | rloo: I'd like to meaningfully participate, which requires finishing the relocation, getting drunk a few times, and finally achieving some level of internal balance :) | 17:19 |
| TheJulia | :) | 17:19 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ah. in that case... :) | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | overall, I think it's still the right time to review specs and see what else (in addition to priorities) we could get in | 17:19 |
| TheJulia | I also think we are going to need some info from johnthetubaguy. I know he started writing one of the specs that he indicated he would write, not sure the status | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | yep, I've seen a WIP patch | 17:20 |
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| rloo | are we talking about inspection only? i thought the big thing there was whether to move it into ironic | 17:20 |
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| dtantsur | rloo: rough agenda is: | 17:20 |
| rloo | dtantsur: or are you talking about a midcycle for ironic too? | 17:20 |
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| dtantsur | rloo: 1. moving introspection rules into ironic, 2. moving most of ironic-inspector into ironic, 3. how this affects the HA and WSGI work | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | no, this is not about the midcycle. this is a compensation for not having milan at the PTG | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | :( | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | I'll plan a virtual midcycle too (maybe even two of them?) | 17:21 |
| rloo | dtantsur: got it. what does that have to do with thetubaguy's specs? | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | rloo: it may end up getting to traits | 17:21 |
| rloo | dtantsur: or is one of the specs about ^^? (I'm only thinkin about tht etraits specs) | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | because they'll be an important part of the scheduling picture soon | 17:22 |
| rloo | dtantsur: gotcha, thx for clarifying | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | like, introspection rules are not only about setting resource_class, they can also set traits | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | we do use them nowadays to set capabilities in tripleo | 17:22 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: i guess i see the traits stuff as separate from the above 3 points you mentioned. | 17:23 |
| rloo | dtantsur: but let's move on :) | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | yep :) anything else on statuses? | 17:23 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:24 |
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| dtantsur | so. this is the first time when we have more slots for priorities | 17:24 |
| rloo | i/we still need the rolling-upgrades patches merged | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | I like the main priorities list as it is, to be honest | 17:24 |
| rajinir | /me o/ | 17:24 |
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| rloo | if they aren't merged before some patch-that-mucks-with-rolling-upgrades-is-merged, we might have a mess. also, i plan on forgetting how it all works soon ;) | 17:25 |
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| dtantsur | and two vendors and two subteams (in my face, lol) decided to propose their priorities - please pay attention to them to | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | * too | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | how is the whole list (incl. new additions) looking? | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | mm, jlvillal's patch too, lemme add | 17:26 |
| * jlvillal likes :) | 17:26 | |
| dtantsur | finished now. comments? | 17:27 |
| rloo | jlvillal: if we defer the tempest stuff til oct, does it make sense to review your tempest patch now? | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | rloo: I don't envision it changing. It is a script to do the work. | 17:27 |
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| rloo | jlvillal: if it extracts to a separate git repo, won't you have to keep it i n sync after that? | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | yep, it's just a script | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | rloo: The script can be called/run at anytime | 17:27 |
| rloo | jlvillal: so it is just a script, it isn't actually going to be run soon? | 17:27 |
| rloo | jlvillal: guess i could just look at it... | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | rloo: The idea is we run it when ready. Once ready, I push to a github repo. And ask infra to push it to the openstack/ironic-tempest-plugin repo | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: lgtm | 17:28 |
| rloo | jlvillal: ok. i guess for me, i don't want to look at it until we are ready to press the button ;) but that's just me. | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | we need to decide whether we want ironic-inspector plugin there too or separate.. I guess it's for the open discussion | 17:28 |
| rloo | i'd like to see a networking-baremetal patch in the priorities. Oh well. | 17:29 |
| rloo | other than that, i'm good with the priorities :) | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | this is a call for networking-baremetal subteam members | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | my gertty does not list ready-to-review patches for n-b | 17:29 |
| rloo | well, hopefully there will be something there next week | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | #topic Appointing a bug triaging lead for the coming week | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | +1 | 17:29 |
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| dtantsur | yep | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | okay, any volunteers? :) | 17:30 |
| TheJulia | I guess I can | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | #action TheJulia to lead bug triaging this week | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | okay, let's move to serious business ;) | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | #topic Any forum session worthy topics? | 17:31 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia: your turn (though the topic is obvious) | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | I'd bring the scheduling question | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | as a heads-up as well as feedback | 17:32 |
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| * jlvillal wonders how many people are planning on attending the Summit / Forum? | 17:32 | |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: I cannot for reasons that are now obvious | 17:32 |
| TheJulia | So yes, I'm wondering if we have anything to schedule a session on | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: do you have an etherpad for ideas? | 17:33 |
| TheJulia | I think the scheduling question might be a good topic to go ahead and get a room | 17:33 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: I do not | 17:33 |
| TheJulia | :( | 17:33 |
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| dtantsur | yep. it can include both discussion the scheduling approach, and the introspection rules, and whatever | 17:33 |
| TheJulia | Feedback would be new for us at the forum, maybe we would get feedback, but I suspect questions would be the actual feedback from the project update | 17:34 |
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| dtantsur | well, I don't think a lot of operators and users have experience with new-style scheduling at this point | 17:34 |
| TheJulia | yeah | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | so it's kind of "We did this. What do you think? Could we do better? Can we improve on it?" | 17:34 |
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| TheJulia | for feedback, I was speaking in general | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | aha | 17:35 |
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| dtantsur | If you mean a feedback session, I'm all for it | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | I'd specifically ask for feedback on newer stuff, like networking integration, BFV, driver comp, etc | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | from previous surveys I know that lack of neutron integration was the biggest pain point | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | I wonder if the people are happy now | 17:36 |
| TheJulia | wfm, I think all of the scheduling stuff needs to shake out a little more first | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | well.. when people get hit by it, it's going to be a tiny bit late :) | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | but I'll leave the final choice up to you as our representative ;) | 17:37 |
| TheJulia | okay | 17:37 |
| rpioso | Should we create a Summit/Forum wiki? | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | etherpad, rather.. | 17:37 |
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| rpioso | Right | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | again, leaving it up to Julia, I don't care about the exact format | 17:37 |
| TheJulia | Etherpad, but the sessions need to be submitted today | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | ouch :) | 17:38 |
| TheJulia | yeah :( | 17:38 |
| TheJulia | so Etherpad for actual output is likely what we will have | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | well, we have two ideas (feedback, scheduling). anything else? | 17:38 |
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| TheJulia | I think those are good, but I don't have any other ideas right now. Anyone else have anything they would like discussed at the forum? | 17:38 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: The ML email subject said 9/29. | 17:38 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia: maybe something around deploy steps, ansible driver and deploy templates? this one may be premature indeed... | 17:39 |
| TheJulia | rpioso: I think the email I got directly indicated today, but maybe I'm mixing things up in my head. | 17:39 |
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| sambetts | I don't we should have a general "this is whats up and coming" in ironic session | 17:40 |
| rloo | are these session(s) separate from one that describes the upcoming Queens priorities? | 17:40 |
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| sambetts | I think we should have * | 17:40 |
| * sambetts is tired | 17:40 | |
| dtantsur | sambetts: like "Bare metal roadmap"? yeah | 17:40 |
| * dtantsur hears sambetts re "tired" | 17:40 | |
| * rloo wonders why everyone is tired ;) | 17:41 | |
| dtantsur | rloo: I was packing stuff the whole weekend, and barely got any good sleep | 17:41 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: we have a project update session where we can cover what we did, where we are going, etc | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | right | 17:41 |
| rloo | TheJulia: great. that's where we can get feedback, i hope. | 17:41 |
| sambetts | yeah, remembering the Forum is for users, I don't think we want to have too many deep dives into things we're currently working on, but should mention them to make sure we're heading in the right direction | 17:42 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: Did you see the call for a 'networking-bare-metal" review priority item? | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: is this session going to happen before the feedback one? | 17:42 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: Whiteboard, around line 126 | 17:42 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: that is a great question! | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | :) if the status update comes before the feedback, people will be able to comments on our plans | 17:43 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: looks our status update is end of the day on monday | 17:43 |
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| TheJulia | they tried to stack sessions on other days in boston, so I think we'll be fine. | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | great | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | so, we still have two ideas? anybody? :) | 17:45 |
| kaifeng | i goess bonding is covered by networking bare metal? | 17:45 |
| kaifeng | guess | 17:46 |
| * TheJulia suspects we're good with two | 17:46 | |
| sambetts | are we having a project onboarding?? | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | kaifeng: bonding is implemented in ocata, if I get you right | 17:46 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: afaik no | 17:46 |
| * dtantsur has not heard about it either | 17:47 | |
| kaifeng | dtantsur: the switch part has to set manually | 17:47 |
| TheJulia | same, I've not seen anything regarding project onboarding sessions | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | kaifeng: I think it was fixed in ironic, now it has to be fixed in the ML2 drivers | 17:47 |
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| * sambetts is just looking at the boston forum schedule trying to see if I can think of anything | 17:47 | |
| dtantsur | networking-baremetal is not related here, it does not actually talk to any switches | 17:47 |
| kaifeng | yes, that is what dynamic port group doing | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: thanks! | 17:48 |
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| TheJulia | dtantsur: I think we can move on | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | yep | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:49 |
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| dtantsur | maybe we discuss whether we need two or one tempest plugin? | 17:49 |
| * jlvillal is undecided | 17:50 | |
| dtantsur | the reason I suggested merging them is that people I work with rarely understand the difference | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | so they get super confused, when they figure out that tests for ironic inspection are not in the ironic tempest plugin :D | 17:50 |
| sambetts | as long as we correctly flag everything behind service_enabled flags I think we should be good to merge them | 17:51 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: If they are merged will they understand the difference of where to make changes in the repo? | 17:51 |
| TheJulia | I'm all for merging and just using flags | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: not necessary. but people I'm talking about are consumers of the tempest plugin (QE, for example), not upstream contributors | 17:51 |
| rajinir | Can we have a job that is voting and uses hardware in the gate? | 17:51 |
| pas-ha | especially since we plan to move most of the inspector stuff back to ironic :) | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | one of the reasons I like the tempest plugin split (the main one) is that we start making it a separate product | 17:52 |
| jlvillal | Okay. I'm fine with merged. And what pas-ha says makes sense too. | 17:52 |
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| dtantsur | rajinir: it may be tricky from Gerrit point of view, and it will set much high expecations on uptime | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | * higher | 17:52 |
| jlvillal | rajinir: Not likely. Need at least two providers to provide hardware for infra to approve it, I believe. | 17:53 |
| rajinir | dtantsur: At least have some policies for merging. If all 3rd party CI's (majority) reports failure, do not merge | 17:53 |
| TheJulia | The main blocker has been the resources such a CI takes and the security implications that can exist with direct testing with real hardware | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | rajinir: this is a social issue, and I agree that we need to solve it | 17:53 |
| jlvillal | rajinir: The problem is that most 3rd Party CIs seems to be fail. Or at least the impression I get. | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | this is one of the reasons I insisted on reverting that patch that broke people (that I so recklessly approved - sorry!) | 17:53 |
| rajinir | dtantsur: It took us some time to figure out. Oftehn we are pressed on time | 17:53 |
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| jlvillal | rajinir: So when I see failed 3rd party CI jobs it doesn't mean much to me. Unfortunately. | 17:54 |
| rloo | rajinir: well, what jlvillal said ^^. I don't have time to check to see if 3rd party cis are normally passing or not | 17:54 |
| TheJulia | six minutes | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | rajinir: I don't have a good excuse here - we should not have ignored the CI. if it makes you feel better, we're in the same boat wrt neutron and nova. | 17:54 |
| rpioso | When all fail, it likely means it's a thing. | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | this ^^^ | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | though this case was more compex, as not all jobs use PXE | 17:55 |
| rpioso | Could we implement that? | 17:55 |
| rloo | rajinir: we instituted L69: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard, and i have yet to see it being updated :-( | 17:55 |
| pas-ha | rloo: ++ | 17:55 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: Agree. PXE is the baseline, right? | 17:55 |
| jlvillal | rajinir: Here is a random job: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506173/ How do I know which of these failures mean anything from 3rd Party CI? | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | rpioso: some drivers don't use PXE, some not even by default. | 17:55 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: All those that do, then. | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: what you ask is "is 3rdparty CI useful" :) | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | it's a valid question, I don't disagree, but let's make it clear | 17:56 |
| rajinir | Agree, something to consider when the 3rd party CIs stabilizes | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | if we ignore the CI, 1. it will never become stable, 2. why even enforce it? | 17:56 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: If none of the PXE jobs succeed, fire it! | 17:56 |
| pas-ha | well, actually more like iPXE (only single job in gate does not use iPXE, and is non-voting) | 17:56 |
| rpioso | ;-) | 17:56 |
| TheJulia | Three minutes | 17:57 |
| rloo | dtantsur: what should we do if we don't want to ignore the 3rd party CI results? | 17:57 |
| jlvillal | Did we come to consensus on tempest plugin? | 17:57 |
| rloo | jlvillal: one plug in | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | rloo: if unsure, ask around | 17:57 |
| jlvillal | Sounds good. One plug-in | 17:57 |
| pas-ha | jlvillal: merge it | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | of course it concerns non-trivial patches to common code (incl. devstack!) | 17:57 |
| rloo | dtantsur: who has time to ask around, when they seem to fail a lot. even with docs :-( | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | rloo: it's we who asked for 3rdparty CI, no? | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | it's not that someone forced it on us | 17:58 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i won't speak personally ;) It has to be a two way street/communication. | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | ensuring that things don't only Work On DevStack (tm) may be annoying indeed.. | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: I'm for merging them.. | 17:59 |
| rloo | dtantsur: do you really want me to ping all third party CI folks for every patch where one of their tests fail? | 17:59 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Thanks. | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | rloo: there are easier ways, I'd say | 17:59 |
| rloo | rajinir: ^^ what do you suggest? | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | but we have to continue in the channel | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | thanks all! | 17:59 |
| rajinir | rloo: Have to think about it | 17:59 |
| jlvillal | Thanks | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| rloo | rajinir: we don't intentionally mean to cause trouble for you, but ... | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 25 17:59:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-09-25-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-09-25-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-09-25-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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