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| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 12:00:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:01 | |
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| prometheanfire | anyone else? | 12:02 |
| prometheanfire | gonna wait a couple of min before calling it | 12:02 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:08 |
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| dirk | prometheanfire: sorry, you forgot to ping people :) | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | I did mention it, but ya | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | kinda tired :P | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | done | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | 1-2 more min then | 12:10 |
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| toabctl | hi | 12:11 |
| dirk | to be honest I have no topics, haven't followed g-r the last week or so | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | #topic freeze | 12:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "freeze (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:12 | |
| prometheanfire | we are still frozen, but can probably start doing GR updates soon | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | I'll clear it with tonyb one more time though | 12:13 |
| prometheanfire | Upper-constraints is taken from the head of the branch (master in this case) directly by the gate, while global-requirements is taken 'gated' by the consuming project's core developers | 12:13 |
| prometheanfire | I think new reqs are probably fine too | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | anything else for the freeze? | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | k | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | #topic known issues | 12:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "known issues (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:15 | |
| prometheanfire | only thing I have here is the possible backport of blacklisting a known bad babel version | 12:16 |
| prometheanfire | it's not in UC, so UC won't change though, so it's usefulness is questionable | 12:16 |
| prometheanfire | https://review.openstack.org/493751 | 12:16 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-requirements/+bug/1709190 | 12:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1709190 in OpenStack Global Requirements "[stable/ocata] Latest oslo.i18n version conflicts with latest Babel version" [Medium,Triaged] | 12:17 |
| prometheanfire | # https://review.openstack.org/493751 | 12:17 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://review.openstack.org/493751 | 12:17 |
| prometheanfire | so take a look if you want | 12:17 |
| prometheanfire | #topic ptg | 12:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ptg (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:18 | |
| prometheanfire | ptg schedule for us is here, we are sharing a room with relmgmt / stable | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgt-stable-requirements-ptg-pike | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | feel free to update it | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | #topic open floor | 12:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:19 | |
| prometheanfire | gonna leave it open for 1-2 more minutes before closing | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 12:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 12:23:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-08-16-12.00.html | 12:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-08-16-12.00.txt | 12:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-08-16-12.00.log.html | 12:23 |
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| seanhandley | hey zhipeng tobberydberg o/ | 13:58 |
| zhipeng | hey o/ | 13:58 |
| tobberydberg | hi guys! | 13:59 |
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| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud-wg | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 14:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:00 |
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| tobberydberg | Just started the meeting, I guess we wait a couple of minutes to let everyone get online =) | 14:00 |
| tobberydberg | so, do we have any participants? =) | 14:01 |
| Labedz | hello | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | hi Labedz | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | For everyone that is here...please put your name at the etherpad | 14:03 |
| tobberydberg | Agenda and etherpad at #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:03 |
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| seanhandley | I'm on a train so I apologise for any long silences while me client reconnects to my IRC bouncer | 14:04 |
| seanhandley | *my | 14:04 |
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| tobberydberg | "me client" sounded really British though =) | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | Ok, lets get going and the rest will have to join in later | 14:06 |
| tobberydberg | #topic Review action points | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action points (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:06 | |
| tobberydberg | a. Sean to make a spec for the OpenStack passport (this will contain multiple proposed solutions) | 14:06 |
| seanhandley | Ok | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | Is your connection ok to comment, or should I? | 14:07 |
| seanhandley | So after much reading of documentation I've created our documents/specs repo on gerrit | 14:07 |
| seanhandley | Feel free to summarise tobberydberg - it comes and goes by the minute | 14:08 |
| Labedz | seanhandley: could you share a link on etherpad? | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://github.com/openstack/publiccloud-wg | 14:08 |
| seanhandley | Sure Labedz | 14:08 |
| seanhandley | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/publiccloud-wg/ | 14:09 |
| tobberydberg | Summary: the basics are there to start doing "real work" so to say! | 14:09 |
| zhipeng | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/publiccloud-wg | 14:09 |
| tobberydberg | Really great job seanhandley! | 14:09 |
| zhipeng | i see cookiecutter patches | 14:09 |
| zhipeng | no spec yet right ? | 14:09 |
| seanhandley | I made an initial directory structure with cookie cutter. I guess most of it can be deleted | 14:09 |
| seanhandley | and replace with a structure similar to the API WG | 14:10 |
| seanhandley | #link https://github.com/openstack/api-wg | 14:10 |
| seanhandley | If anyone wants to clone and submit gerrit reviews, you're very welcome to do so | 14:10 |
| zhipeng | great | 14:11 |
| seanhandley | Currently tobberydberg and I have the +2 approval ability | 14:11 |
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| seanhandley | zhipeng: As a chair of the WG, you should have the ability to approve gerrit reviews too. What's your username for gerrit? | 14:12 |
| zhipeng | just search Zhipeng | 14:12 |
| zhipeng | should give you the auto complete | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | So, basically everything is in place for us to start writing specs | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | great job | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | (this will cover no 2 on the agenda) | 14:13 |
| seanhandley | zhipeng: Trying - connection is terrible | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | b. Howard and Sean to begin writing up some public cloud WG | 14:13 |
| zhipeng | yes we started with a google doc now | 14:13 |
| zhipeng | will have something concrete, say | 14:14 |
| zhipeng | next few months lol | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | hehe | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | Ok. lets keep that on here as a AP for upcoming meetings | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | c. Update to active | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | ...well...not much work there, done! ;-) | 14:14 |
| seanhandley | Ok zhipeng - you should have the +2 ability now on gerrit :) | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | 2. publiccloud_wg is up and running - can start writing spes | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 2. publiccloud_wg is up and running - can start writing spes | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2. publiccloud_wg is up and running - can start writing spes (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:15 | |
| zhipeng | thx sean ! | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | covered above...or would you like to add something else to this? | 14:15 |
| seanhandley | no, that's all so far I guess | 14:16 |
| seanhandley | as an aside | 14:16 |
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| seanhandley | I aim to write some documentation re: creating a WG | 14:16 |
| seanhandley | as it's a little different from creating an OpenStack code project | 14:16 |
| seanhandley | and quite confusing | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | Thats a great contribution! | 14:16 |
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| seanhandley | I'll try to make time for it over the next month. Would be a service to the community to have it laid out clearly. | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | absolutely! | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | #topic Passport - what to be done untli Sydney | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Passport - what to be done untli Sydney (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:17 | |
| tobberydberg | so, to summarize ... a few things are happening in the backgroud | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | flanders is talking very well about this project to the foundation | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | and, they like it very much this far | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | so, we have put together a "potential timeline" that has been presented to them | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | and the basic of that is to have a proposal of a design of the schema ready by Sydney to be able to recruit public clouds there to be a part of this | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | we will also need some webpages that show the whole concept | 14:22 |
| zhipeng | do we need the webpage by Sydney ? | 14:22 |
| tobberydberg | that is what "Freemium page at each public clouds website" is - a page at each public cloud that describes how to get a code, how to use it, what you get etc etc | 14:23 |
| zhipeng | okey | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | also, something at openstack.org/passport (for example) that list all participating clouds and the links to there description pages | 14:24 |
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| tobberydberg | well, it will not be a final product, it will be conceptual | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | seanhandley: did I miss something in that summary? | 14:24 |
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| tobberydberg | I commit that we have a page up and kicking with "what content we need" until Sydney | 14:26 |
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| tobberydberg | Not much job for us, I know datcentred are in as well | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | So, if any of you can commit to this as well, put your name at the etherpad | 14:27 |
| zhipeng | so a webpage from the foundation, and a webpage from the participants | 14:28 |
| zhipeng | right ? | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 14:28 |
| zhipeng | cool | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | a small web at openstack.org/passport with descriptions etc | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | and a page at each participating cloud | 14:29 |
| tobberydberg | and the commit I'm looking for now is "the page at each cloud" | 14:29 |
| tobberydberg | with that said - What should it consist of? | 14:29 |
| tobberydberg | Should it be screencast how to get started using your code? | 14:30 |
| Labedz | idea description | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:30 |
| zhipeng | some basic description should be enough | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | (please post all your ideas at the etherpad) | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | so, basic description. Link back to the openstack.org/passport-page? | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | How to signup instruction for the individual cloud? | 14:32 |
| zhipeng | yes that's a given I suppose | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | Should we produce like a template of the "must-haves" ? | 14:32 |
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| tobberydberg | Ok. we can keep working on that, feel free to add thougts and "+1"s | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | #topic Discussions of "Scheme basics" | 14:36 |
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| tobberydberg | Moving on here... | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | so, I just added some basic concepts about the scheme | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | I would like you to comment on them, +1, -1, etc etc | 14:37 |
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| tobberydberg | these are what me and seanhandley believe are the most basic concepts that we need to decide upon to continue to specification | 14:39 |
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| tobberydberg | It's totally fine to comment later after meeting as well if you can't come up with al feedback now=) | 14:40 |
| Labedz | about 1) do we plan to put some code to execute on participant side? | 14:40 |
| Labedz | or we will adapt our billing systems to play with passport? | 14:40 |
| Labedz | (I belive that passport will give some basic REST API) | 14:41 |
| tobberydberg | exactly | 14:41 |
| tobberydberg | all codes managed by central passport service | 14:42 |
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| tobberydberg | Jut to have this said. I believe that the success here is to put as much power in the hands to the end users - and at the same time keep it as simple as possible for all participating clouds | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | Pleace continue to comment =) | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | but we can move on to cover the rest as well | 14:48 |
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| tobberydberg | #topic Other matters | 14:48 |
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| tobberydberg | a. issues brief. Anyone iterested who is working on issues and how to deal with it? Maybe on other IRC #channel after meeting? | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | Labedz: yours? =) | 14:48 |
| Labedz | yeap | 14:48 |
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| Labedz | I ment our meeting is time limited but for sure there is much to talk about | 14:49 |
| zhipeng | on #openstack-publiccloud ? | 14:49 |
| Labedz | it would be great if anyone interested could talk about daily job :) | 14:49 |
| zhipeng | is that channel registered ? | 14:49 |
| Labedz | not necessary | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 14:49 |
| Labedz | just want to gather OS Public CLoud operators online | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | seanhandley has done that, and all merge messages etc will go there =) | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | totally agree, we should be better to hang out there! | 14:50 |
| Labedz | great | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | b. telemetry - what are you using guys? | 14:51 |
| Labedz | so it's a topic for #openstack-publiccloud | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | I posted a comment in the etherpad | 14:51 |
| Labedz | we can go further | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | ok =) | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | cool | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | c. EU Meetup preps: venue information, promotion, recording/photo for Sydney Summit, ... | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | zhipeng: | 14:52 |
| zhipeng | yes | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | This one you added I guess =) | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEETUPS-2017-publiccloud-wg | 14:53 |
| zhipeng | i meant we should start preparing | 14:53 |
| zhipeng | wow | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | Agree | 14:53 |
| zhipeng | great tobias | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | Did this some time ago but haven't had the time to do more, nd thought about this for todays agenda as well, but falled back to "Passport" =) | 14:54 |
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| zhipeng | should we add OpenStack Day France as well? | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | But it can be used to collaborate around this | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | Would have been nice, but I can't attend that one | 14:54 |
| zhipeng | i think labdez could ? | 14:55 |
| zhipeng | I could also ask around other guys | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | sure, feel free | 14:55 |
| Labedz | for sure somebody from OVH will be in OpenStack Days FR | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | If not many, nice just to meet and have a dinner! =) | 14:56 |
| Labedz | for me probably OpenStack Nordic | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | Would be nice to have one or two each cycle | 14:57 |
| seanhandley | Sorry guys for flakiness guys - I'll read the logs and add to the etherpad where appropriate. My train's due to stop soon so time to pack up the laptop anyway. Speak more soon o/ | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | cool! for you guys, I have a promotion code for the fee...30% off | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | thanks for joining | 14:58 |
| tobberydberg | I'll send you the code! | 14:59 |
| Labedz | thx | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | Thank you all for today! See you in the #openstack-publiccloud channel | 14:59 |
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| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 15:00:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-08-16-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-08-16-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-08-16-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 16:00:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute | #chair markvoelker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute markvoelker | 16:01 |
| eglute | #chair hogepodge | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| zhipeng | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute | Hello Everyone! | 16:01 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:01 | |
| ricolin | o/ | 16:01 |
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| eglute | today's agenda, please update as needed: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.11 | 16:01 |
| luzC | o/ | 16:02 |
| mugsie | o/ | 16:02 |
| eglute | #topic ptg | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ptg (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:02 | |
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| eglute | PTG less than a month away! Please let us know you are coming by updating etherpad for PTG: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropDenver2017PTG | 16:02 |
| eglute | also, please add proposed topics | 16:02 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:03 |
| eglute | #topic 2017.09 Guideline | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2017.09 Guideline (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:03 | |
| hogepodge | I'm double booked this morning so my responses may be a bit delayed | 16:03 |
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| eglute | Since the August board meeting was cancelled, we will ask the board to approve the next guideline during the September board meeting | 16:04 |
| eglute | therefore, the next guideline will be 2017.09 rather than 2017.08 | 16:04 |
| catherineD | o/ | 16:04 |
| * markvoelker makes note to rename it | 16:04 | |
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| zhipeng | eglute could you explain a little bit on the reason for the naming ? | 16:04 |
| eglute | #action markvoelker to rename 2017.08 to 2017.09 | 16:04 |
| zhipeng | 2017.09 | 16:05 |
| eglute | zhipeng we name the guidelines based on when they are approved, | 16:05 |
| zhipeng | ah right | 16:05 |
| zhipeng | :)thx | 16:05 |
| eglute | year.month | 16:05 |
| eglute | :) | 16:05 |
| eglute | yeah, very simple convention, makes naming things easy | 16:05 |
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| eglute | thank you zhipeng for submitting bug report | 16:06 |
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| eglute | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001156 | 16:06 |
| eglute | good catch, wonder what happened there | 16:07 |
| zhipeng | :) | 16:07 |
| zhipeng | something we catch during testing | 16:07 |
| eglute | we need to fix this, any takers? | 16:08 |
| zhipeng | not sure if it is a bug or we misunderstand something | 16:08 |
| zhipeng | eglute I could do it | 16:08 |
| eglute | i think they should be unique | 16:08 |
| eglute | zhipeng thank you!! | 16:08 |
| catherineD | actually not | 16:08 |
| zhipeng | so I could remove those duplicated capabilites ? | 16:08 |
| hogepodge | If I understand some tests are overloaded, but that looks like an error. The fix should be to look at the code base and correspond the test names to the idempotent_id | 16:08 |
| catherineD | in RefStack we do not match output to ID | 16:08 |
| catherineD | we match them to the FQN | 16:08 |
| eglute | #action zhipeng to fix duplicate test IDs | 16:08 |
| zhipeng | okey I will submit a patch on this | 16:09 |
| eglute | zhipeng what hogepodge said. | 16:09 |
| eglute | zhipeng thank you!!! | 16:09 |
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| eglute | any other questions or comments on the next guideline? | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | duplicated capabilities should not be removed. Now, we may be in a situation where if the tests were being skipped in testing we might want to flag them for the current guidelines. | 16:10 |
| catherineD | see the explaination of FQN vs ID in https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1709323 | 16:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1709323 in refstack "refstack-client removes tests which could be found by id (renamed tests)" [Undecided,New] | 16:10 |
| zhipeng | hogepodge got it :) | 16:10 |
| zhipeng | catherineD thx will take a look at it | 16:10 |
| catherineD | these are actually testing 2 different feature using the same test method | 16:11 |
| catherineD | it is like test the same thing in IPv4 vs IPv6 | 16:11 |
| eglute | catherineD but different tests should have different ids, correct? | 16:11 |
| hogepodge | that's a case of overload | 16:12 |
| catherineD | no ID is define at the test methid level | 16:12 |
| hogepodge | eglute: in the code they don't | 16:12 |
| catherineD | Interop-WG define test at the test case leve | 16:12 |
| hogepodge | the tests use different input parameters. | 16:12 |
| catherineD | see the explaination in https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1709323 | 16:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1709323 in refstack "refstack-client removes tests which could be found by id (renamed tests)" [Undecided,New] | 16:12 |
| hogepodge | We might want to ask the tempest team if we should introduce wrapper methods | 16:12 |
| eglute | thanks catherineD | 16:13 |
| eglute | anything else related to this? | 16:13 |
| catherineD | RefStack dioes not use test ID for pass/fail evaluation at all . Tests are also mapping with FQM from testlist. | 16:14 |
| eglute | thank you catherineD | 16:14 |
| eglute | good to know | 16:14 |
| eglute | #topic Extension programs | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Extension programs (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:14 | |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge for submitting patches | 16:15 |
| eglute | hogepodge question: when do you want to get those approved? 2017.09 or 2018.01? | 16:15 |
| * markvoelker is leaning toward advisory by 2017.09 given that we have the extra month, personally | 16:16 | |
| hogepodge | eglute: I'd like to present them to the board as advisory for 2017.09, with the intention to refine them for official approval in 2018.01 | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | ++ | 16:16 |
| hogepodge | eglute: refine them with community and vendor feedback | 16:16 |
| eglute | ok, then should the capabilities be as "advisory"? right now all are required. | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | There's good discussion happening right now, which I want to encourage, but I'd also like them to be on track for board approval in early next year. I think that strikes a good balance between expediency and community review. | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | eglute: probably. I struggled with how to handle this the first time around. But yes, I think that's the right way to go | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | I can send up new patches. | 16:17 |
| eglute | yeah, we should decide how new programs should be handled. advisory is good, and if someone wants early designate/heat badge, they should pass all the advisory capabilities | 16:18 |
| hogepodge | I'd also like to bring up the notion of criteria. Right now the only criteria I have is PTL suggested, but I'm wondering if during the advisory period if we need a new set of criteria for extensions. | 16:18 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: I was noodling that a little this week too as I'm looking at verticals (for example: we've already been talking to OPNFV and I have some requirements suggested by ONAP now too) | 16:19 |
| eglute | hogepodge is that what you call achievements? | 16:19 |
| zhipeng | markvoelker seems like ONAP is on a different level from OpenStack ? | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | eglute: yes | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | eglute: see also: https://github.com/openstack/interop/blob/master/doc/source/schema/2.0.rst#criteria | 16:21 |
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| markvoelker | zhipeng: Yes, but they consume OpenStack via the multi-vim project. | 16:21 |
| zhipeng | ah understood | 16:22 |
| eglute | i think for criteria we should try to use the ones as we use for main guidelines, except as it relates to that particular project | 16:22 |
| eglute | markvoelker hogepodge has something called "achievements" in the json, but i wasnt sure what it tied to in teh schema | 16:23 |
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| hogepodge | part of our confusing lexicon, we say achievements when a capability achieves the criteria | 16:23 |
| hogepodge | so there's a synonym there | 16:23 |
| eglute | hogepodge true | 16:24 |
| eglute | hogepodge how is that tied to schema | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I had noticed you added the "ptl_proposed" achievements in those patches and was trying to think if using it as a way to define a source ("who wants this") made sense | 16:24 |
| eglute | heh | 16:25 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I couldn't think of any other criteria. I asked project leaders for APIs they, as project leaders, thought represented the interoperable set according to our requirements (not admin, single user, etc) | 16:25 |
| eglute | perhaps ptls could score those capabilities on how important they are | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | E.g. in the NFV vertical program case I might have some stuff we want to denote as "OPNFV needs this" and others as "ONAP needs this" or even specifically "ONAP multi-vim needs this". | 16:26 |
| hogepodge | schema 2.0 was designed to allow for different sets of criteria to be used | 16:26 |
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| mugsie | PTLs should know what capabilities will need to be used across clouds | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | But I'm not really sure that's what we want to use for achievements...my gut feel is to use similar criteria to what we use for Powered, but scope them to appropropriate audience | 16:26 |
| hogepodge | and since the guideline is what's approved I put the criteria in the document so that they get pulled along with the approval. But I'm entirely happy to work on new criteria | 16:26 |
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| hogepodge | repurpose old, and so on | 16:27 |
| eglute | markvoelker hogepodge i think it would be good to have some official documentation/justification for including capabilities in these new programs. | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | E.g. if a thing is needed by both OPNFV and ONAP it's widely deployed (among clouds used for NFV) | 16:27 |
| eglute | markvoelker i agree on " to use similar criteria to what we use for Powered, but scope them to appropropriate audience" | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | (kinda poor example but you get the picture) | 16:27 |
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| hogepodge | eglute: I would like the guidelines to contain all of the information, but I'd happily document it elsewhere | 16:28 |
| eglute | hogepodge i mean something similar to current scoring process | 16:28 |
| eglute | we have all the capabilities scored, and comments on some why they were scored that way | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | sure, I just don't think that the criteria for the core programs is 100% applicable to the extension or vertical programs | 16:29 |
| eglute | so that next time we look, we have a reference point | 16:29 |
| eglute | hogepodge not even if it is scoped down? | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | eglute: scoped down, yes | 16:29 |
| eglute | i think it would have to be scoped to that particular project. For example, for every cloud that deploys Heat, do most have X feature? | 16:30 |
| hogepodge | I'm hearing that I need to update the two reviews and submit a third with proposed extension criteria? | 16:30 |
| eglute | we need something that would justify why a set of capabilities are included | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | It's just so difficult to measure something like that, and my inclination is to drop a criteria like that. It's an extension which is a special case, and since it's optional being more strict on what has to be there makes more sense. I don't want a bunch of extensions that only add things in name | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: If we're going with the "same criteria, scoped to appropriate audience" then I'm not sure we need to doc them in a third patch...that's pretty much what we've presented to the BoD and community several times now. | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | right now the justification is that project leaders have identified the capability as what's required for interoperable | 16:32 |
| eglute | hogepodge i think it is good enough for getting them as advisory | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: sure, but if we want external documentation that says something about why we chose a set of criteria for extensions we will have a one to many situation :-D | 16:33 |
| eglute | but going forward, we will need some paper trail of why those particular capabilities were chosen | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: If we're using the same criteria (but scoped) then we already have most of the doc though. | 16:35 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: ok | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | E.g. I'd be fine with a smallish doc that basically boils down to something along the lines of "same as https://github.com/openstack/interop/blob/master/doc/source/process/CoreCriteria.rst but with the audience scoped to the project in question" | 16:36 |
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| eglute | +1. | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | I'm not a big fan of "ptl_proposed" as I think it's too course. The PTL probably has good reasons for proposing a capability, and I think if we use the core criteria (scoped) then it gives them a chance to back it with reasons rather than just being one person's opinion. | 16:38 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: ok | 16:38 |
| hogepodge | (me saying ok like that makes it sound way more terse than I intend) :-D | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | =) | 16:39 |
| eglute | hogepodge i think we can work on those extra capabilities between now and next year, when the new programs become required | 16:40 |
| eglute | i think we should be able to get it approved as advisory next month | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | Especially since there's a conversation around heat that I was to give the full space to breathe | 16:41 |
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| eglute | heat: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490648/ | 16:41 |
| eglute | i agree, good discussion there | 16:42 |
| eglute | anybody want to share their thoughts on heat or designate programs? | 16:43 |
| ricolin | eglute, yes thanks guys to propose heat out:) | 16:44 |
| eglute | I think heat and designate are great add-ons to start with | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | Generally it seems like a reasonable start on both fronts, though personally I'd like to spend some time picking through some tooling around some of them. Just elbow grease+time. =) | 16:45 |
| eglute | we do want as much discussion as possible at this stage | 16:45 |
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| eglute | markvoelker what kind of tooling do you think we should work on? | 16:46 |
| hogepodge | I think that's the intent of advisory, and we're in a good place to fulfill that intent | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | Well, just generally I'm looking for justifications that the capabilities are useful, and tooling is often a good indicator: e.g. if tools that use (for ex.) Designate support a bunch of API's but not others, maybe we need to look a little more closely at those that no tools use and see if they're actually good, useful candidates. | 16:47 |
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| markvoelker | The very fact that people are suggesting them is a good start, so just looking for some more backing for those opinions | 16:47 |
| eglute | hogepodge i agree, good start for advisory | 16:47 |
| eglute | markvoelker +1 | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | So basically the typical scoring process. =) | 16:48 |
| mugsie | markvoelker: sure - thats what we did when we suggested our (Designates) list | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | ++ | 16:49 |
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| markvoelker | mugsie: did you folks keep notes or something along the way? Would love to take a peek if so. | 16:50 |
| eglute | mugsie thanks for working on the designate capabilities. we are just looking for additional documentation on why these particular capabilities were chosen. something like this: https://github.com/openstack/interop/blob/master/working_materials/scoring.txt | 16:50 |
| mugsie | unfortunatly not- we did it in person in boston | 16:51 |
| mugsie | All i have is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Forum-DNS-InterOp | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | Ah, ok. No worries. | 16:51 |
| mugsie | and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DNS-InterOp-Capabilities | 16:51 |
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| eglute | so everyone ok with proposing heat and designate add-ons as advisory to the board in September? | 16:52 |
| eglute | mugsie do any of the tests require admin? do you know? | 16:53 |
| mugsie | they do not | 16:53 |
| eglute | mugsie great, thank you | 16:53 |
| mugsie | its is just 2 endpoints - creating / update / deleting a DNS zone and modifying Records | 16:54 |
| eglute | mugsie thank you. seems like it covers essential interop for DNS | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | time check five minutes | 16:55 |
| eglute | ok, so everyone ok with proposing heat and designate add-ons as advisory to the board in September? | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | Yep (pending the iterations hogepodge mentioned) | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | I can get to work on those for next week | 16:55 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:55 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | mugsie: if you can offer any insight into scoring, that would be really great | 16:56 |
| mugsie | sure - I will have a read of the methodolgy and comment in the review | 16:56 |
| eglute | mugsie let us know if you would like to understand scoring better, i can help | 16:56 |
| hogepodge | ricolin: same with you | 16:57 |
| mugsie | great - if I have any questions, I will shout | 16:57 |
| eglute | mugsie perfect! | 16:57 |
| ricolin | hogepodge, sure | 16:57 |
| eglute | since we are almost out of time, everyone, please be sure to review any outstanding patches | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | Thank you everyone, I think this is a really bold and important step forward, and I'm inspired by the interest in seeing it be successful. | 16:58 |
| eglute | as well as this RefStack patch: | 16:58 |
| eglute | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480298/ | 16:58 |
| eglute | hogepodge mugsie ricolin thank you so much for working on this | 16:58 |
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| eglute | any last words? | 16:58 |
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| markvoelker | Veryvery quickly on the NFV vertical front: last week I spoke with some folks from ONAP multi-vim. They have a rough list of stuff they need from OpenStack here that folks may want to look over: https://wiki.onap.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=8229235 | 16:58 |
| ricolin | eglute, NP it takes entire heat team to make it:) | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | I'll have that boiled down into actual API's by the time we get to Denver. | 16:59 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker | 16:59 |
| eglute | ricolin very true! | 16:59 |
| eglute | #action everyone look at https://wiki.onap.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=8229235 before next meeting | 16:59 |
| eglute | ping us on interop channel or directly if needed. | 17:00 |
| eglute | thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-08-16-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-08-16-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 20:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| * robcresswell is on time! | 20:00 | |
| gary-smith | \o/ | 20:00 |
| makowals_ | Good evening everyone ! | 20:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 20:00 |
| dklyle | o/ | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | hi everyone :) | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | I'll give everyone a couple of minutes to wander in | 20:01 |
| rdopiera_pto | \o\ \o/ /o/ | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Haha | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | rdopiera_pto dances in to the room | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | :) | 20:02 |
| rdopiera_pto | _/o/~ | 20:02 |
| rdopiera_pto | walk like an egyptian | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | Haha | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | #topic Notices | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:02 | |
| robcresswell | So, a couple of things | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | #info RC2 tag soon. Need to sync with i18n on translations, and merge a couple of high priority bugs | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | This will also the the last meeting I run, as ying_zuo will be stepping up :) | 20:04 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: are these bugs already backported? | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: no | 20:04 |
| e0ne | :( | 20:04 |
| e0ne | just trying to understand what are priorities for stable/pike branch reviews | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | Check the LP branch as usual | 20:05 |
| e0ne | ok, thanks | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | On phone atm, if anyone has a link handy... | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | Anyway, backporting is trivial, it just adds to the gate time slightly | 20:06 |
| rdopiera_pto | https://launchpad.net/horizon/12.0.0-pike/pike-3 | 20:06 |
| e0ne | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/pike-rc2 | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | But there are a couple patches at pike-rc2 | 20:06 |
| rdopiera_pto | no wait | 20:07 |
| rdopiera_pto | sorry | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | Boom, thanks e0ne | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | .... And thanks for trying rdopiera_pto | 20:07 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: np | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | ;) | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | As before, please test things out, check with product teams if possible, use horizon against staging / testing envs | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | This is a good time to land any critical issues before the release goes out | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | We aim to run against older clouds, so you don't need to test against pike clouds (could be N / O) | 20:10 |
| e0ne | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 20:10 |
| e0ne | ^^ maybe someone was was looking for it too | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | And finally, please take a look at the PTG planning etherpad; even if you're not attending, if you can describe an issue you think should be discussed, we can consider it | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ptg-queens | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Thanks e0ne | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | That's everything from me :) | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:11 |
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| makowals_ | Hi again, two patches would be happy to get some comments/actions | 20:12 |
| * robcresswell just switched back to laptop | 20:12 | |
| makowals_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418246/ | 20:13 |
| makowals_ | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426493/ | 20:13 |
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| makowals_ | The latter was tagged as rc1 by the way | 20:13 |
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| makowals_ | Don't know if not too late for any of them, but anyway, even if just for master, still good | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | hmm, that was me, I should've put that queen-1 though. Its feature work. | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | The images bug could go in to Pike, however | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | yeesh that images code | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Okay, I've starred it, thats going to take some time to get my head round | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Both are good patches though, thanks for the reminder | 20:16 |
| makowals_ | Thanks ! Also one question from a different branch | 20:16 |
| makowals_ | What I noticed -- or in fact users reported ;) -- when creating an instance, the panel does not validate name at all | 20:17 |
| makowals_ | This is consistent with nova which also does not validate it at all; however at least in some cases it would make sense to put some regex validation against the name (as ex. in networking stages we have some restrictions) | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | :/ | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | Why would that "make sense"? | 20:18 |
| makowals_ | Thus the question, would it make sense to make a patch with optional config option to enable validation agains some RFC ? | 20:18 |
| makowals_ | If you try to create instance with the following name -- +1%&abc -- is it okay ? | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | makowals_: Are your users regularly trying to launch instances with those names? | 20:18 |
| dklyle | the create instance code will check what nova checks IIRC which is not much | 20:19 |
| rdopiera_pto | what happens when horizon's validation doesn't match the service's requirements? | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | I mean I get the "people will break things however possible" but fixing that in the UI is not the way to do it. We can't sanitise APIs. | 20:19 |
| makowals_ | Definitely not regularly, but we had few reports from users trying to use colon or semicolon | 20:19 |
| rdopiera_pto | shouldn't that happen on the service side? | 20:19 |
| dklyle | rdopiera_pto, we hope we are the more accepting of the two | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | makowals_: What's the problem if they use a semicolon? | 20:20 |
| rdopiera_pto | right, we would catch the error from the service and display it | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | I mean, I think we should just match the API personally. And if they dont validate, we shouldnt. | 20:20 |
| makowals_ | Semicolon as a dns name, not really acceptable | 20:20 |
| dklyle | nova bars very little, we had a bug capturing all that a couple of releases ago | 20:20 |
| makowals_ | The case now it's nova does not catch any of those, so we have an errors in the next stages (registering instance in the dns) | 20:21 |
| makowals_ | s/it's/is | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | Right | 20:21 |
| dklyle | then we can't create rules | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | go yell at nova :) | 20:21 |
| makowals_ | :D | 20:21 |
| dklyle | change should be made in nova | 20:21 |
| dklyle | then we could reflect that | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | +1 | 20:22 |
| makowals_ | Yep, that's what I thought, nova first, horizon second | 20:22 |
| dklyle | if you wanted to add a mechanism to validate names, you could, but that leaves a big hole via the CLI and APIs | 20:22 |
| dklyle | just in horizon that is | 20:22 |
| makowals_ | Okay, I will try to push nova guys for this then; anyway local patch is ready so it won't be any trouble to put it in here afterwards | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | Sure | 20:24 |
| lucasxu | speaking of which, will horizon support a ceph backend swift, or just the openstack swift only :) | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: That depends if someone wants to implement it. | 20:25 |
| dklyle | horizon shouldn't care | 20:25 |
| dklyle | we only talk to the APIs | 20:25 |
| lucasxu | robcresswell, hmm, interesting. Thanks | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | dklyle: Yeah, I think we have some expectations that don't exist in Ceph | 20:25 |
| e0ne | the problem is ceph ragos-gw doen't implement 100% of swift API | 20:25 |
| dklyle | one header is all I recall | 20:25 |
| lucasxu | dklyle, yeah, make sense | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: The issue is really about us not knowing how its broken and how to recreate those issues | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | But otherwise, we should just support what the API does. | 20:27 |
| lucasxu | kk, i am not that familiar with rgw though. A co-worker asked me this today since he found a bug. Horizon logged out him when he was trying to create a container that has the same name as that of an existing one. So.. | 20:27 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: +1 | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | I imagine we are relying on some values existing that don't with a certain driver / plugin / backend, whatever. | 20:27 |
| lucasxu | thanks and make sense to me | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: Basically, yes, if support is broken, it is a bug. But realistically, that doesn't mean we can immediately support it. If you can work with us on it, we're happy to. | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | you / your colleagues | 20:28 |
| dklyle | if there are optional parts of the API we are requiring then it would make sense to treat those as optional in Horizon rather than required | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | dklyle: ++ | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | I would imagine thats what we're doing | 20:29 |
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| robcresswell | expecting fields / validation / APIs that aren't reliably there. | 20:29 |
| lucasxu | robcresswell, sounds good. I haven't looked further on that since to me, it is more like a ceph rgw bug since it returns a 401 and horizon receives that 401 then logs out the user. Which is the correct workflow. | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: Okay, well, feel free to open bugs etc. | 20:29 |
| lucasxu | robcresswell, sure, will look into that. I don't think it happens in the openstack swift. Will provide more details later. | 20:30 |
| lucasxu | thanks guys. | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | No problem | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | Any other questions / bugs / patches etc? | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | Alright, I think we can call it there | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | Thanks everyone! | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:35 |
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| e0ne | see you next week | 20:35 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 20:35:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-08-16-20.00.html | 20:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-08-16-20.00.txt | 20:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-08-16-20.00.log.html | 20:35 |
| makowals_ | Thanks, bye ! | 20:35 |
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