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| reedip | kaz :ping | 05:31 |
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| kaz | hi | 05:31 |
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| reedip | #startmeeting taas | 05:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 05:34:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is reedip. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:34 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:34 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 05:34 |
| kaz | hi | 05:34 |
| reedip | #chair kaz anil_rao reedip | 05:34 |
| openstack | Current chairs: anil_rao kaz reedip | 05:34 |
| reedip | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 05:35 |
| reedip | #topic L2 Extension support | 05:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L2 Extension support (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:35 | |
| anil_rao | Thanks for sending out the patch for review. I'll get back in a day or two. | 05:36 |
| kaz | thank you | 05:36 |
| reedip | hi kaz, thanks for the patch. I was unaware that the L2 extension was being created. I would abandon the one I created some time back :) | 05:36 |
| kaz | sorry for late announce :) | 05:37 |
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| anil_rao | kaz: Have you noticed that the current TaaS does not work correctly with Ocata stable. | 05:38 |
| reedip | kaz : please update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454788/6/specs/stadium/pike/tap-as-a-service.rst@50 with the patch information for L2 extension | 05:38 |
| kaz | anil_rao: no i do not | 05:38 |
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| reedip | anil_rao : ^^ above link is for the Project status for getting TaaS accepted into Neutron stadium | 05:39 |
| anil_rao | kaz: I found that our TaaS flows in br-tun are getting wiped out. I am assumging this is by Neutron. | 05:39 |
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| anil_rao | reedip: Yes, I have seen the document you have uploaded. That is a great summary of the remaining work items. | 05:40 |
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| bennco1 | @anil_rao evening you mind sharing the link again please? | 05:40 |
| reedip | @bennco1 : which link ??? | 05:40 |
| anil_rao | Hi bennco1 | 05:41 |
| bennco1 | R: <reedip> anil_rao : ^^ above link is for the Project status for getting TaaS accepted into Neutron stadium | 05:41 |
| reedip | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454788/6/specs/stadium/pike/tap-as-a-service.rst | 05:41 |
| bennco1 | thank you | 05:41 |
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| anil_rao | kaz: I am assuming that the L2 extension version will allow us to better coordindate things with Neutron. | 05:41 |
| kaz | anil_rao: is it occurring in l2 extension agent? | 05:42 |
| anil_rao | kaz: No, the problem is with the (current) TaaS Agent/Driver and Ocata Stable. It is a very recent problem. I didn't see it a month back. | 05:43 |
| kaz | i see. | 05:43 |
| yamamoto | anil_rao: why are you using current taas, rather than ocata taas? | 05:43 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto: Yes, I mean Ocata TaaS and not the L2 extension version that kaz has out for review. | 05:44 |
| reedip | is the problem occuring in Ocata branch or the current branch as well ? | 05:44 |
| reedip | I mean the master branch | 05:44 |
| yamamoto | anil_rao: i see | 05:44 |
| anil_rao | reedip: We are doing some validation work and wanted a stable branch that is why we are using Ocata Stable. | 05:46 |
| anil_rao | Every so often, I find that our (TaaS) flows in br-tun are all gone. | 05:46 |
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| reedip | hmm | 05:47 |
| anil_rao | My guess is that something is triggering resets, which ML2 can handle. Since we don't have flow restore logic our stuff, once wiped out, doesn't get repopulated. | 05:48 |
| kaz | it seems the flow enries have cookie which is marked by neutron agent. | 05:48 |
| anil_rao | kaz: That is why I was suprised. | 05:48 |
| kaz | But, the flow entries made by taas agent has no cookies. | 05:49 |
| anil_rao | I try to address this issue with the error handling logic I am working on. | 05:49 |
| anil_rao | If folks don't mind I would like to discuss how we can handle a very large number of tap-services... | 05:51 |
| reedip | sure .. | 05:51 |
| anil_rao | Here is the problem | 05:51 |
| anil_rao | Today, we consume a VLAN id for each and every tap-service. | 05:52 |
| reedip | hmm | 05:52 |
| kaz | i see | 05:52 |
| anil_rao | Since a tap-service represnts the destination end of a port-mirror session, we cannot have too many tap-flows associated with a single tap-service, especially if there is a lot of traffic being mirrored | 05:52 |
| anil_rao | So if one wants to monitor a very large number of VMs, we will end up requiring a lot of separate tap-services. | 05:53 |
| anil_rao | e.g. We want to monitor say 1000 VMs. | 05:54 |
| anil_rao | Assuming 25 tap-flows to a tap-service (which may already be excessive) we need 40 tap-services. | 05:54 |
| anil_rao | So we need some way to deal with this issue (and the consumption of VLAN ids) | 05:55 |
| reedip | thats a production level issue and makes sense | 05:57 |
| anil_rao | I think we'll need to treat VLAN ids as local to a compute/network node (just like Neutron) instead of global. | 05:57 |
| anil_rao | The id management at the TaaS centralized location (on the controller node) will need to be more sophisticated. | 05:57 |
| yamamoto | i forgot how vlan is used by our flows. anil_rao, the nice flow diagram you had while ago is available somewhere? | 05:59 |
| yamamoto | it (or something similar) ought to be under our doc/ i guess. | 06:00 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto: My bad. I'll upload that diagram when I get in to work tomorrow morning. I keep forgetting to do so. Sorry. | 06:00 |
| anil_rao | Today, we consume a VLAN id when a tap-service is created. I.e. each tap-service takes up one VLAN id. | 06:00 |
| anil_rao | We then switch betwen this VLAN id and tunnel id to safely transport traffic belonging to a tap-service from the source port to the destination port. | 06:01 |
| anil_rao | Neutron also uses VLAN ids to seggragate tenant virtual networks but they use the id as local to a compute/network node. | 06:02 |
| anil_rao | I am thinking that we can do the same. Except that our logic in the centralized location will be a little more complex. | 06:03 |
| anil_rao | This issue (number of tap-services we can support) will directly influence the per-tenant tap-flow / tap-service quotas. | 06:05 |
| yamamoto | vlan ids are the only concern? | 06:05 |
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| anil_rao | I think there are more but this one is critical because it will limit how many VMs we can monitor -- system-wide and also per-tenant. | 06:06 |
| bennco1 | @anil_rao if we use what I call dummy vlans how can we preserve who the traffic actually is coming from? | 06:07 |
| yamamoto | bennco1: what's what you call dummy vlans? | 06:09 |
| anil_rao | bennco1: Within a host we use VLAN tags (they are real tags). For the hop between two hosts we translate from VLAN id to tunnel id and then back to VLAN id | 06:09 |
| bennco1 | ok make sense | 06:09 |
| anil_rao | The mirrored traffic associated with a tap-service is seggrated from other tap-service traffic and also from production traffic. | 06:10 |
| reedip | anil_rao : the diagram would be great on this :) | 06:11 |
| anil_rao | Sure. I'll upload it to the TaaS place tomorrow. | 06:12 |
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| anil_rao | Are the TaaS quotas actually effective today? | 06:12 |
| yamamoto | i suppose no, as reedip has a patch. | 06:14 |
| yamamoto | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373929/ | 06:15 |
| anil_rao | Thanks! | 06:15 |
| anil_rao | When we have TaaS as an ML2 extension (in review currently) we | 06:16 |
| anil_rao | will need to negotiate the VLAN id range used by TaaS. I am not sure how the Neutron core team will react to this reservation. :-) | 06:16 |
| yamamoto | it isn't necessary with taas agent? | 06:18 |
| anil_rao | Since we were in the sidelines all this while nobody cared. | 06:19 |
| anil_rao | I think the br-tun table use (by TaaS) should be less contentious issue. | 06:20 |
| yamamoto | i guess it doesn't matter much as the reservation will be short-term anyway. (until l2 flow management things actually happen) | 06:21 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto: Yes, that is the real ticket. :-) | 06:22 |
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| anil_rao | One other issue that we need to take care of is handling the other flows in br-int today. At least for the short term until l2 flow mgmt is in place. | 06:23 |
| anil_rao | The current TaaS implementation has effectively shut off ARP anti-spoofing. | 06:24 |
| yamamoto | i guess we should ensure having LP bugs for each known issues. | 06:25 |
| yamamoto | right now our LP is largely unmaintained. | 06:25 |
| anil_rao | Agree. Did Vinay get around to providing access. | 06:26 |
| yamamoto | no | 06:26 |
| anil_rao | Let me ping him again. | 06:26 |
| yamamoto | i guess you have more permission than the rest of us because you are a maintainer. | 06:26 |
| anil_rao | Surprisingly even I don't have access to that. Strange. | 06:27 |
| yamamoto | heh | 06:27 |
| yamamoto | 3 mins left | 06:27 |
| yamamoto | i guess we should mention Sydney cfp as its deadline is in this week | 06:28 |
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| yamamoto | i've heard reedip submitted something | 06:28 |
| bennco1 | btw I also created an lp report here | 06:28 |
| bennco1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tap-as-a-service/+bug/1694605 | 06:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1694605 in tap-as-a-service "Transport Support w/o br-tun " [Undecided,Confirmed] | 06:28 |
| yamamoto | bennco1: thank you, it's a valid issue. | 06:29 |
| bennco1 | I'm hoping to get some focus on it - it appears to be more common than I expected | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | bennco1: +1 | 06:30 |
| kaz | +1 | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | I guess we are out of time. Let's pick up next week. | 06:31 |
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| kaz | anil_rao: sure | 06:32 |
| yamamoto | Sydney CFP deadline is 14th July. if you have anything about that, don't wait for the next week meeting. use email. | 06:32 |
| yamamoto | who can close the meeting? | 06:34 |
| kaz | mayby i can. | 06:35 |
| reedip | #endmeeting | 06:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 06:35:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-07-12-05.34.html | 06:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-07-12-05.34.txt | 06:35 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-07-12-05.34.log.html | 06:35 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 06:35 |
| kaz | bye | 06:35 |
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| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 15:01:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 15:01 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 15:01 |
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| prometheanfire | anyone else here? | 15:01 |
| prometheanfire | gonna leave this open for the next few minutes and close if no one else shows up | 15:02 |
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| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 15:21:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-07-12-15.01.html | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-07-12-15.01.txt | 15:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-07-12-15.01.log.html | 15:21 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 16:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:00 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:00 |
| eglute | Hello Everyone! | 16:00 |
| eglute | Here is today's agenda, please update as needed: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.7 | 16:01 |
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| eglute | hogepodge is traveling so won't be able to attend today | 16:01 |
| eglute | anyone else here for the interopwg meeting? | 16:01 |
| eglute | #chair markvoelker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute markvoelker | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | I'm actually half available | 16:02 |
| eglute | markvoelker may or may not be able to join us | 16:02 |
| eglute | oh thats great! | 16:02 |
| eglute | #chair hogepodge | 16:02 |
| hogepodge | Hi everybody | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:02 |
| * markvoelker runs in all out of breath from another meeting and plops down in a chair | 16:03 | |
| * eglute waves to everyone | 16:03 | |
| mguiney | o/ | 16:03 |
| eglute | I hope everyone had a nice day/week off last week | 16:03 |
| eglute | I was out and today is my first day back | 16:03 |
| eglute | so i have a bit of catching up to do | 16:03 |
| kgarloff | eglute: welcomeback | 16:03 |
| * eglute failed at sunscreen and is now a zebra | 16:04 | |
| eglute | thanks kgarloff | 16:04 |
| eglute | once again, here is agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.7 | 16:04 |
| eglute | #topic Denver PTG | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver PTG (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:05 | |
| eglute | I am not sure who added question about PTG, | 16:05 |
| eglute | but yes, we are going to be there | 16:05 |
| eglute | and we absolutely can meet with the glare team | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | Monday Tuesday and board meeting on Sunday | 16:05 |
| eglute | is glare team same team as glance | 16:05 |
| Rockyg | I did. | 16:06 |
| eglute | Correct, and we are sharing room with refstack again | 16:06 |
| eglute | Rockyg yes we are going to be there | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | No, glare came out of glance v3 efforts | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | Afaik | 16:06 |
| eglute | ok so do we need to meet with glance team as well as glare team? | 16:07 |
| Rockyg | the TC was discussing the thread about Glare talkinh about replacing glance | 16:07 |
| Rockyg | no. I thin it will be a what and how discuusion. all theoretical | 16:07 |
| eglute | thanks Rockyg, i will review TC meeting logs | 16:07 |
| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropDenver2017PTG | 16:08 |
| Rockyg | I'll see if I can find the thread link, too. | 16:08 |
| eglute | etherpad for agenda items for Denver | 16:08 |
| eglute | thanks Rockyg | 16:08 |
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| eglute | Please start updating the etherpad with topics | 16:09 |
| eglute | also let us know if you are planning on attending | 16:09 |
| eglute | anything else regarding PTG? | 16:10 |
| Rockyg | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119442.html | 16:10 |
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| hogepodge | Use the conference block please if possible | 16:10 |
| eglute | thanks Rockyg | 16:11 |
| * eglute is booking today! | 16:11 | |
| * kgarloff cannot do that much international travel :-( so no PTG for me | 16:11 | |
| markvoelker | Just a note: BoD/TC/UC meeting Sunday Sept. 10 at the PTG | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | (for those interested) | 16:11 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:11 |
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| eglute | i will be there | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | I likely will be as well (but haven't actually booked a flight yet) | 16:12 |
| eglute | kgarloff if there are any topics you are interested in being addressed, let us know | 16:12 |
| eglute | markvoelker glad to hear that | 16:12 |
| kgarloff | eglute: thanks -- will do | 16:12 |
| eglute | #topic Patch reviews | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patch reviews (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:12 | |
| kgarloff | eglute: Overall direction ... of InterOp WG is really good, so nothing fundamental to be addressed | 16:13 |
| eglute | Fix some pep8 warning: #link ix some pep8 warning https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478662/ | 16:13 |
| eglute | thanks kgarloff | 16:13 |
| eglute | Everyone, please take a quick look at the outstanding patches | 16:13 |
| * markvoelker thought he already +2'd this but must have dreamt it | 16:13 | |
| * eglute blames gremlins in the interwebs | 16:14 | |
| eglute | i think we had multiple pep8 patches | 16:14 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:14 |
| * markvoelker blames 2am meetings | 16:14 | |
| eglute | Add aliases for test_update_volume_metadata_item | 16:14 |
| eglute | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479673/ | 16:14 |
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| eglute | that one looks straighforward to me | 16:15 |
| * hogepodge blames his bad pep8 skills | 16:15 | |
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| luzC | o/ | 16:15 |
| eglute | hello luzC! | 16:15 |
| eglute | thanks luzC for reviewing alias patches | 16:16 |
| Rockyg | maybe hogepodge could use some peptobismol! | 16:16 |
| eglute | Everyone, please the same | 16:16 |
| * eglute is waiting to dial up to 11, pep11 | 16:16 | |
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| eglute | Add aliases for test_update_snapshot_metadata_item #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479683/ | 16:17 |
| Rockyg | and the drmmer explodes | 16:17 |
| eglute | another alias patch | 16:17 |
| eglute | they look good to me, but would appreciate another set of eyes | 16:17 |
| eglute | Add Aliases For VolumeV2 Test Cases Part 2 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478619/ | 16:17 |
| eglute | more aliases. | 16:18 |
| eglute | please review and comment on the patches! | 16:18 |
| hogepodge | kgarloff: you said they were tests that were removed? | 16:19 |
| hogepodge | Those should be aliased or flagged | 16:19 |
| * markvoelker makes a mental note to make sure these all get into 2017.08 either in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472848/ or as subsequent patches | 16:19 | |
| hogepodge | s/they/there | 16:20 |
| kgarloff | hogepodge: Right, let me look up the details | 16:20 |
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| eglute | markvoelker i added on the etherpad as well | 16:21 |
| kgarloff | hogepodge: So what you say is that tempest-latest should work with Guideline-2017.01 against Mitaka -- if not, we should add an alias or flag some test (or submit a fix to tempest)? | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | If tests were removed we should have been warned. So they probably moved | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | So if moved use an alias. If removed use a flag | 16:22 |
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| hogepodge | You can search for them by using the idempotent ID | 16:23 |
| eglute | anything else regarding outstanding patches + aliases? | 16:23 |
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| eglute | #topic 2017.08 Guideline | 16:24 |
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| * kgarloff is searching for the mail with details | 16:25 | |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472848/ | 16:25 |
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| eglute | mguiney any updates on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467528/ | 16:26 |
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| mguiney | yes! | 16:26 |
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| mguiney | i've made the modifications mtreinish suggested, and touched base with the creator of the conflicting patch | 16:27 |
| mguiney | the standing plan is to let the version of the catalog client present in my patch stand | 16:28 |
| eglute | so at this point is this the only thing preventing us from merging 2017.08? | 16:28 |
| eglute | thanks mguiney that sounds good | 16:28 |
| mguiney | i believe so (sorry) | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | eglute: that actually doesn't stopping us from landing the 2017.08 patch. It's marked advisory, not approved | 16:29 |
| mguiney | will be pushing a patch after i give it one more once over to make sure i didn't miss anything | 16:29 |
| Rockyg | mguiney, hey, it's stiil July.... | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | So we can continue to ammed the 2017.08 file after that merges | 16:29 |
| eglute | markvoelker true! should we merge it then? | 16:29 |
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| eglute | everybody, if you havent reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472848/ yet please do so | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | I would like to. That way we if more alias/flag requests come in we can add them to all the right guideline docs at once rather than having to update sparate patches | 16:30 |
| eglute | ok... lets merge today then | 16:30 |
| eglute | otherwise we will miss things | 16:30 |
| eglute | any objections? | 16:31 |
| luzC | markvoelker are you merging aliases into your patch? before merging it? | 16:31 |
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| markvoelker | luzC I think there are a few outstanding. But again, we can add those in subsequent patches. | 16:32 |
| luzC | ok | 16:33 |
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| eglute | any other comments? | 16:33 |
| eglute | +1 on the patch if you are ok with it being merged | 16:34 |
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| eglute | #topic Schema 2.0 | 16:34 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/ | 16:35 |
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| eglute | thanks everyone for reviewing it | 16:35 |
| eglute | any discussions on the schema? | 16:35 |
| eglute | hogepodge has done a great job on it i think | 16:36 |
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| luzC | +1 | 16:36 |
| eglute | would also like it to be merged if there are no more discussion on it | 16:36 |
| mguiney | +1 | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | I'd like to get it in a good place so I can produce advisory extension programs for next guideline | 16:37 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | This means soon | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | How do folks feel about the qeustions asked in teh commit message? | 16:37 |
| kgarloff | hogepodge: +1 | 16:37 |
| kgarloff | markvoelker: The Open questions section | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | yep | 16:38 |
| eglute | markvoelker link? | 16:38 |
| eglute | oh | 16:38 |
| eglute | sorry | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/12//COMMIT_MSG | 16:38 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker i am too slow | 16:38 |
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| hogepodge | Yeah, it's wip but I'll address concerns and get a final patch up | 16:38 |
| kgarloff | My answers: no, no, don't know, don't know, yes | 16:38 |
| eglute | "make required_since optional?"-- any good reason for doing so? | 16:39 |
| mguiney | i did have a question re: the target approval date | 16:39 |
| kgarloff | eglute: It's useful historic information, so keep it | 16:39 |
| mguiney | would there be any real benefit to changing those to a more generic date format, or is it just a matter of readability/style | 16:40 |
| Rockyg | yeah, I think tht's a good point. eliminates the need to look at multiple guidelines | 16:40 |
| eglute | kgarloff i agree, but i wonder if hogepodge had a particular reason for it | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | It doesn't make sense for things that have never been required | 16:40 |
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| eglute | hogepodge you mean things like advisory? | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | Or for non board programs | 16:41 |
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| eglute | are there any of those in progress or interest in non-board programs? | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | This is supposed to be applicable past our process | 16:42 |
| kgarloff | mguiney: I'm lost ... more generic than %Y-%m-%d ? | 16:42 |
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| mguiney | i think it was in yyyy.mm, correct? | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | Yes, we want projects to produce their own Interop guidelines regardless of if they will become official | 16:42 |
| Rockyg | ah. true, hogepodge | 16:42 |
| eglute | hogepodge i would say no then, i rather not over-engineer for hypothetical situations | 16:43 |
| mguiney | (for date of approval, i mean) | 16:43 |
| luzC | mguiney: on previous schema it was in the form "\\d{4}-\\d{2}-\\d{2}" example "2017-01-24" now it will be something like "2017.01" | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | The date format was meant to match up the style we use. Is exact date important? I can go either way | 16:43 |
| eglute | i like yyyy.mm | 16:44 |
| kgarloff | %Y.%m is not necessarily an obvious date format ... | 16:44 |
| eglute | kgarloff but it matches our guideline naming | 16:45 |
| mguiney | makes sense. i had just been wondering if there is an immediate benefit to changing it | 16:45 |
| kgarloff | eglute: fair comment, but then the field is spurious, no? ;-) | 16:45 |
| eglute | kgarloff i think it depends on the perspective. | 16:46 |
| eglute | i am ok either way! | 16:46 |
| kgarloff | redundant would have been a better word -- but I think this detail is not really all that importnat | 16:46 |
| mguiney | i was mostly just wondering the context, thank you for addressing this | 16:47 |
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| kgarloff | my vote would be to not change it if there's no good reason to, but I'll leave it to folks more experienced ... | 16:47 |
| eglute | ok, so lets go back and address each question from the top: | 16:48 |
| eglute | "make required_since optional?" | 16:48 |
| eglute | +1 or -1 | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | -1 | 16:48 |
| eglute | -1 | 16:48 |
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| mguiney | -1 | 16:49 |
| hogepodge | I'm on cell phone and have some weird constraints, so my typing skills are very limited | 16:49 |
| eglute | hogepodge no problem | 16:49 |
| kgarloff | -1 | 16:49 |
| eglute | ok, "make required_since optional?" answer: no | 16:49 |
| eglute | "make idempotent_id optional?" yes or no | 16:49 |
| eglute | +1 -1 | 16:49 |
| kgarloff | -1 | 16:49 |
| luzC | -1 | 16:50 |
| mguiney | -1 | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | -1 | 16:50 |
| eglute | "make idempotent_id optional?" answer: no | 16:50 |
| eglute | "change date of approval to match more generic dates?" | 16:50 |
| eglute | +1 / -1 | 16:51 |
| luzC | +1 | 16:51 |
| kgarloff | -1 (no strong opinion though) | 16:51 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:51 |
| catherineD | -1 (for make idempotent_id optional) | 16:51 |
| Rockyg | -1 but not strong | 16:51 |
| mguiney | (generic = yyyy.mm?) | 16:51 |
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| eglute | mguiney correct | 16:51 |
| catherineD | -1 | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | If someone can leave a review summarizing the results of the vote that would be awesome | 16:51 |
| mguiney | +1 | 16:51 |
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| eglute | hogepodge will do after we cover all | 16:51 |
| eglute | catherineD why -1 on date change? | 16:52 |
| eglute | would this affect refstack? | 16:52 |
| catherineD | do not need change that is not absilutely necessay | 16:52 |
| eglute | catherineD ok, that is a good reason for me | 16:52 |
| Rockyg | That's true. | 16:52 |
| eglute | markvoelker what do you think? | 16:53 |
| catherineD | from developer perspective | 16:53 |
| mguiney | true... | 16:53 |
| Rockyg | And, if there is ever a need to *not* have it, we can add a qulifier | 16:53 |
| Rockyg | like -1 or something | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | +0, I"m not sure it's an important enough detail to argue much about. =) | 16:53 |
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| eglute | markvoelker cool! then we will say no to the date change | 16:54 |
| eglute | "change date of approval to match more generic dates?" answer: no | 16:54 |
| eglute | "components structured correctly? redundancy with designated sections?" | 16:54 |
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| eglute | any discussion on this? | 16:54 |
| eglute | i think it looked ok to me when i looked | 16:54 |
| luzC | can you elaborate on the question... | 16:54 |
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| eglute | i think hogepodge is referring to the structure of the schema, but i could be wrong | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | Just wanted to make sure I don't | 16:55 |
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| hogepodge | Didn't miss anything or do anything weird | 16:56 |
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| markvoelker | I kinda feel like we might be able to get away with collapsing components to simplify, but that's really just an optimization we could do in 2.1 later if it proves useful. Not worth bogging this down further IMHO. | 16:56 |
| eglute | i think once you start working on the new programs if we need to amend the schema we can. | 16:56 |
| hogepodge | Ok | 16:57 |
| eglute | also all changes go until we get approved by the board, and after just bump the number | 16:57 |
| eglute | "splitting platforms and extensions up into different fields for better granularity?" | 16:57 |
| eglute | this question is also more complex and required detailed review | 16:57 |
| hogepodge | Last question, two next schemas or one? | 16:57 |
| hogepodge | Should next be 2.0? | 16:58 |
| eglute | so if everyone please review the new schema with those questions in mind, that would help | 16:58 |
| eglute | hogepodge what do you mean | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | Next guidelines I mean | 16:58 |
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| markvoelker | Ditto here: I think what's here is sufficient and we can optimize later if necessary | 16:58 |
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| eglute | next.json should be in 2.0? | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | Yes | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | For the board approval | 16:58 |
| eglute | how about 2017.08? | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | IMHO leave 2018.08 in 1.x format since it's already what the community has been reviewing. | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | It's approved, so no | 16:59 |
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| eglute | cool | 16:59 |
| catherineD | RefStack can not render 2.0 yet | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | We can move to 2.0 later when refstack is ready and we have programs that can use it. | 16:59 |
| hogepodge | Excellent point | 16:59 |
| eglute | so 2017.08 in 1.x format | 16:59 |
| Rockyg | so, lots of reasons to keep it | 16:59 |
| catherineD | so if next.json with 2.0 is merge then RefStack will break with next | 16:59 |
| eglute | thanks everyone. we didnt get to cover vertical programs topic, so will move that to next week | 16:59 |
| eglute | we are out of time, i will be around in the interop irc | 17:00 |
| luzC | thank you, bye | 17:00 |
| eglute | thank you!! | 17:00 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 17:00:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-07-12-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-07-12-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| Rockyg | thanks! | 17:00 |
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| mguiney | have a good day, y'all! | 17:01 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 20:12:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:12 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:12 |
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| robcresswell | Hi all, sorry I'm late, anyone about? | 20:13 |
| jeremy_moffitt | o/ | 20:13 |
| ying_zuo | o/ | 20:13 |
| gary-smith | o/ | 20:13 |
| gugl | o/ | 20:13 |
| jgravel | o/ | 20:13 |
| e0ne | hi | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | Awesome; hi everyone | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | We've nothing on the agenda | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | It's an open agenda btw, anyone can add items: | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | The only announcement is a quick reminder about Pike-3 in 2 weeks time | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:15 | |
| robcresswell | So, open floor! Questions, bugs, blueprints, patches... anything goes. Ask away :) | 20:16 |
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| ying_zuo | :) | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | Alright, I think we can end the meeting :) | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | Oh, a couple of big patches I'd like to mention: | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482561/ | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482437/ | 20:20 |
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| robcresswell | The first adds django openstack auth to horizon, and the second rewrites all our settings documentation. Would love some feedback on those | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | Anyway, now I will give you some time back. Thanks everyone | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 20:21:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-07-12-20.12.html | 20:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-07-12-20.12.txt | 20:21 |
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| e0ne | really quick meeting. cool! | 20:22 |
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| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 21:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o. | 21:00 |
| dansmith | begin meetito checkin | 21:00 |
| dansmith | #topic boogs | 21:00 |
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| melwitt | D9: what happened to mriedem's arm | 21:00 |
| mriedem | combine | 21:00 |
| melwitt | ow | 21:00 |
| mriedem | do people know what a combine is outside the mid states? | 21:00 |
| dansmith | he's from ND so I'm guessing: wood chipper | 21:01 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yes | 21:01 |
| mriedem | SD dick | 21:01 |
| dtp | at first i thought you were giving a transformers order | 21:01 |
| melwitt | it took me a few seconds but I knew what it is! | 21:01 |
| dtp | but then i remembered my midwest roots | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | melwitt: one of the dakotas is all that matters | 21:01 |
| * melwitt nods | 21:01 | |
| dansmith | so I'm guessing no pressing bugs then? | 21:01 |
| mriedem | the only bug that came up last week, | 21:01 |
| melwitt | we're just that good | 21:01 |
| mriedem | was the external events thing that is fixed by mdbooth's change | 21:02 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: yeah I wanted to bring that up | 21:02 |
| dansmith | hoping for reviews | 21:02 |
| dansmith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445142/ | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | yeah it's in the pile of 400 | 21:03 |
| mriedem | somewhere | 21:03 |
| dansmith | okay, so no other bugs? | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | not that i know of | 21:03 |
| dansmith | #topic open reviews | 21:03 |
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| dansmith | other than the above one about external events, | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | obviously melwitt's quotas stuff is important | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | mriedem had review diarrhea on it yesterday so I assume we'll see an update to that before too long and we can go forward | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i wanted to ask about that too, | 21:04 |
| mriedem | since i didn't even get through the compute api - still had the resize stuff to review yet, plus everythign else after that | 21:04 |
| melwitt | thanks for the reviews so far. I was thinking I shan't update it until you both look at the resize part so as not to confuse things | 21:05 |
| mriedem | melwitt: were you addressing comments so i should hold off for round 2, or just go back into it now? | 21:05 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:05 |
| dansmith | oh okay I was waiting for the update before going at it | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i can get the rest done today/tonight | 21:05 |
| melwitt | oh, it's up to what you think. I didn't want to make it more confusing. if it would help if I update it right away, I shall | 21:05 |
| melwitt | I wasn't sure if updating it out from under you was going to be a possibility | 21:06 |
| mriedem | i'd prefer to complete my review on it before it's updated, because then i have to review the old stuff i didn't get to and the changes | 21:06 |
| dansmith | it would help me, but if mriedem wants to finish then that's fine | 21:06 |
| dansmith | ack, that's cool | 21:06 |
| melwitt | k | 21:06 |
| dansmith | well, none of this is cool, but.. | 21:06 |
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| melwitt | true. | 21:07 |
| dansmith | okay, and the other one is the uuids set, | 21:07 |
| mriedem | it's totally rad \.../ | 21:07 |
| dansmith | which is waiting for an update and a few comments to be addressed I think | 21:07 |
| mriedem | yeah the uuids set is going to set for a bit | 21:07 |
| melwitt | I also have console patches up, finally got them passing tempest. what I want to do next is depends-on'ing it on top of the fleetify patch and see if I can run websocketproxy on the subnode and see if that works | 21:07 |
| mriedem | because i have to rebase and then i'll just have to rebase again, | 21:07 |
| mriedem | so i'm waiting for microversions to settle a bit | 21:07 |
| dansmith | melwitt: okay if they're ready to review I'll try to also hit those | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I've not had the appetite or attention for long reviews lately, but those are a bit more bite-sized | 21:08 |
| melwitt | bottom patch is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334614/ | 21:08 |
| * melwitt nods | 21:08 | |
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| mriedem | heh | 21:09 |
| mriedem | my uuids ones are pretty small... | 21:09 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah, and sitting there with my +2 on them, so.. | 21:09 |
| mriedem | blame aelx | 21:09 |
| mriedem | *alex | 21:09 |
| dansmith | my +2s have poo all over them, but.. they're there | 21:09 |
| melwitt | lol | 21:10 |
| mriedem | i know, next week | 21:10 |
| dansmith | okay anything else here? | 21:10 |
| mriedem | nope | 21:10 |
| melwitt | nay | 21:10 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | i wanted to discuss the fact i wake up from 2-4am every night thinking about openstack and how much shit there is to do | 21:11 |
| mriedem | and it sucks | 21:11 |
| dansmith | the ironic people say things are good now with ironic and the fleetify patch, | 21:11 |
| dansmith | so once we get quotas in I think we're good for round 2 | 21:11 |
| dansmith | mriedem: heh | 21:11 |
| dtp | i'm probably ready for a new task | 21:11 |
| melwitt | mriedem: :( | 21:12 |
| mriedem | dtp: i know we need to get our story straight about some docs updates for pike, | 21:12 |
| mriedem | but i don't have a list right now | 21:12 |
| dansmith | mriedem: you could offload that nova-status thing on him maybe? | 21:12 |
| mriedem | which thing was that/ | 21:12 |
| mriedem | ? | 21:12 |
| dansmith | docs made me think of that | 21:12 |
| mriedem | min compute? | 21:13 |
| dansmith | this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442787/ | 21:13 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:13 |
| mriedem | sure | 21:13 |
| mriedem | might be kind of hard sorting out the comments | 21:13 |
| dansmith | dtp: mom and dad don't agree on how to do this, so dad told mom to do it herself | 21:13 |
| dtp | ok, i'll give it a read | 21:14 |
| mriedem | at some point, | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i think i/we/someone just needs to start going through release notes and finding things that are going to need more thorough explanation in the actual devref | 21:15 |
| mriedem | than a 1-2 sentence blurb in the releasenotes | 21:15 |
| dansmith | yeah, that would be useful too, although not very glamorous of course | 21:15 |
| mriedem | like, | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | the topology that the fleetify patch creates, | 21:15 |
| mriedem | and the configs for like api using cell0, | 21:16 |
| mriedem | and the services in the controller node goign into cell0, | 21:16 |
| mriedem | that kind of stuff should be doc'ed | 21:16 |
| dansmith | yeah, well, if we don't get the instance listing sorted for this cycle, you won't want to be doing much of that outside of test environments I think | 21:16 |
| mriedem | much of what? multi cell? | 21:17 |
| dansmith | but doc'ing what a full cells deploy will eventually look like would be good I guess | 21:17 |
| melwitt | gonna need to doc the need to run websocketproxy per cell somewhere too. I'm wondering if we can make or use a diagram from dansmith's talk to put up in the docs to show what the deployment is supposed to look like, where each service goes and whatnot | 21:17 |
| dansmith | the instance list stuff mdbooth was going to do | 21:17 |
| mriedem | melwitt: tha'ts what i'm asking for | 21:17 |
| dansmith | melwitt: yeah something like that | 21:17 |
| melwitt | ++ | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i think, | 21:18 |
| mriedem | remember i was trying to remember something we said to doc at some point but i couldn't remmeber it? | 21:18 |
| mriedem | remember?! | 21:18 |
| mriedem | i think it was the neutron metadata api proxy being global | 21:18 |
| melwitt | o.O | 21:18 |
| mriedem | there were some assumptions that was per cell | 21:18 |
| mriedem | b/c we had some bugs that metadata api couldn't get the instance since it didn't have the cell context for the db lookup | 21:19 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:19 |
| dansmith | mriedem: maybe just start throwing things into a list so we can circle back and do them | 21:20 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:20 |
| dansmith | this meetito is getting a little fat in the middle | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i'll start an etherpad | 21:20 |
| mriedem | hey | 21:20 |
| dansmith | anything else? | 21:20 |
| mriedem | no kill me | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i mean it | 21:21 |
| dansmith | eh? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | the meeting | 21:21 |
| dansmith | oh heh | 21:21 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 21:21:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-07-12-21.00.html | 21:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-07-12-21.00.txt | 21:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-07-12-21.00.log.html | 21:21 |
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