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| yamamoto | hi | 05:32 |
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| kaz | hi | 05:32 |
| yamamoto | reedip can't attend today | 05:32 |
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| kaz | yamamoto: i see | 05:34 |
| yamamoto | let's start | 05:34 |
| yamamoto | #startmeeting taas | 05:35 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 05:35:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:35 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:35 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:35 |
| yamamoto | #topic Agenda | 05:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:35 | |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 05:35 |
| yamamoto | #topic Open Discussion | 05:35 |
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| yamamoto | let me copy-and-paste an update from reedip | 05:36 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 05:36 |
| yamamoto | I am working on the Neutronclient part of TaaS so that I can again push for the governance inclusion patch | 05:36 |
| kaz | hi ani_rao | 05:36 |
| yamamoto | Will push the Neuitronclient patch today for review | 05:37 |
| yamamoto | end of copy-and-paste | 05:37 |
| yamamoto | anil_rao: hi. long time no see | 05:37 |
| anil_rao | Sorry for being absent for a long time. Was not well and then got busy with other stuff in the office. | 05:37 |
| yamamoto | you got well? | 05:38 |
| anil_rao | Well, feeing better. | 05:38 |
| kaz | anil_rao: welcome back! | 05:38 |
| anil_rao | kaz: Thanks. | 05:38 |
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| anil_rao | yamamoto: I'll review your patch when you submit it. | 05:40 |
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| yamamoto | anil_rao: it was a copy-and-paste of reedip's message. so his patch. | 05:41 |
| anil_rao | OK :-) | 05:41 |
| anil_rao | I will be submitting some patches from next week containing error handling logic in the TaaS agent/driver | 05:41 |
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| yamamoto | great | 05:44 |
| anil_rao | I have noticed one problem with the TaaS logic that I would like to discuss | 05:45 |
| yamamoto | the agent side of it likely overlaps with l2 agent extension stuff, right? | 05:45 |
| anil_rao | That would be right. | 05:46 |
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| anil_rao | Here is a description of the issue: | 05:47 |
| anil_rao | Since we add flows in br-int to capture ingress and egress traffic if there are two VMs (ports) communicating with each other | 05:47 |
| anil_rao | on the same host, then we only catch it using the flow that matches first. | 05:48 |
| anil_rao | However, if the two VMs (ports) were on different hosts, we catch both the packet(s) leaving a port andentering the other port. | 05:48 |
| anil_rao | Or, in other words we capture the duplicates if the ports are on separate hosts but not on the same host. | 05:49 |
| anil_rao | I somehow don't like this differering behavior. | 05:49 |
| anil_rao | However, I can't think of any way to resolve it using our existing logic. | 05:49 |
| anil_rao | Thoughts? | 05:50 |
| yamamoto | i guess the behaviour with the same host case should be somehow fixed. | 05:52 |
| anil_rao | Agree. | 05:52 |
| anil_rao | I think the (new) OVS flow mgmt project for various extenstions should make it easy to solve. | 05:53 |
| yamamoto | i agree | 05:53 |
| anil_rao | Any idea what is going on with that project. When trying to catch up I found that that project was almost abandoned. | 05:53 |
| yamamoto | it's taken over by someone else | 05:55 |
| yamamoto | see last comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439/ | 05:55 |
| anil_rao | Oh | 05:55 |
| anil_rao | Looks like it is moving forward after all. :-) | 05:56 |
| yamamoto | yes | 05:56 |
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| anil_rao | I'll keep a close eye on it. We should redo our flows based on this design. | 05:57 |
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| yamamoto | #action keep a close eye on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439/ | 05:58 |
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| yamamoto | reminder: Call for Presentations for OpenStack Summit Sydney: Submission deadline: 14th July 2017 | 06:02 |
| yamamoto | reminder: Denver, CO, USA (Sep., 11-15, 2017) | 06:02 |
| yamamoto | Project Teams Gathering | 06:02 |
| yamamoto | any other topics? | 06:02 |
| anil_rao | Thanks for the reminders | 06:02 |
| anil_rao | I send out some ideas for a possible next presentation on TaaS. | 06:03 |
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| yamamoto | great | 06:04 |
| kaz | +1 | 06:04 |
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| anil_rao | One other thing that I think we need to spend time discussing are the limits on tap-services and tap-flows. | 06:06 |
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| yamamoto | you mean quota? | 06:09 |
| anil_rao | Quota -- yes, but the numbers need to be large enough otherwise TaaS won't be very useful for a tenant. | 06:09 |
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| anil_rao | However, if we have a large number of tap-services we will burn a lot of VLAN ids. | 06:10 |
| yamamoto | i think reedip was working on quota while ago | 06:11 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373929/ | 06:11 |
| anil_rao | Quotas will place the cap we seek. However, I don't think the VLAN id space we have for TaaS is sufficient on a real OS cloud. | 06:12 |
| yamamoto | when you say a real OS cloud, how big it is? | 06:13 |
| anil_rao | Here is an example. | 06:13 |
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| anil_rao | Assume a tenant has a few hundred VMs and they are all passing a decent amount of traffic. If we want to monitor all of them, we will need a large number of tap-services. | 06:14 |
| anil_rao | This is because we cannot have too many tap-flows associated with a tap-service, otherwise the monitoring VM (on the destination port) won't be able to handle the mirrored traffic. | 06:15 |
| anil_rao | If now there are lots of such tenants we suddenly have an explosion of tap-services and consequently VLAN ids get used up very fast. | 06:15 |
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| kaz | i see. | 06:17 |
| anil_rao | Pre-capture filtering can help increase the tap-flow : tap-service ratio. Without it, this ratio will be quite small. | 06:19 |
| anil_rao | When we did the original TaaS implementation we borrowed Neutron's style of using VLAN Ids to separate tenant networks for keeping the mirrored | 06:23 |
| anil_rao | traffic of a tap-service isolated from other tap-services and production traffic. | 06:23 |
| anil_rao | However, I am now realizing that we may need a lot more tap-services than virtual networks. | 06:24 |
| anil_rao | Let's think about this issue some more and discuss again at a later time. | 06:25 |
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| kaz | sure | 06:25 |
| anil_rao | I don't have any more topics for today. | 06:26 |
| kaz | i checked the L2 agen extension patch witten by Reedip. | 06:27 |
| kaz | I think I can take over it. | 06:27 |
| anil_rao | Great | 06:27 |
| kaz | I would like tol submit this patch. | 06:28 |
| anil_rao | That would be nice. I can review it when you do. | 06:28 |
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| kaz | thanks. | 06:29 |
| anil_rao | We have run out of time. | 06:30 |
| kaz | yes | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | Talk to you all next time. Bye. | 06:30 |
| kaz | bye, thanks | 06:30 |
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| anil_rao | #endmeeting | 06:31 |
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| tobberydberg | Good afternoon everyone! | 14:00 |
| adriant | Evening (morning) :) | 14:00 |
| tobberydberg | Time for PublicCloud WG meeting! | 14:00 |
| tobberydberg | hehehe | 14:00 |
| tobberydberg | aren't we all in my timezone?? ;-) | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud-wg | 14:01 |
| openstack | tobberydberg: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 14:01 |
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| zhipeng | taas is not ended ? | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | hmmm | 14:02 |
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| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 14:02:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-06-21-05.35.html | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-06-21-05.35.txt | 14:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-06-21-05.35.log.html | 14:02 |
| seanhandley | Hey guys o/ | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud-wg | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 14:02:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:02 | |
| pilgrimstack | o/ | 14:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | Ah, now it worked | 14:02 |
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| tobberydberg | Hi | 14:02 |
| zhipeng | o/ | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:03 |
| tobberydberg | Please put your name in there | 14:03 |
| tobberydberg | Nice to see that we are a few here today! | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | #topic Review last meetings APs | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review last meetings APs (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:04 | |
| tobberydberg | Not that many APs | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | zhipeng: "Definitions to the missing features document" | 14:04 |
| zhipeng | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mf8OAyTzZxCKzYHMgBl-QK_2-XSycSkOjqCyMTIedkA/edit?usp=sharing) | 14:05 |
| zhipeng | so from my side | 14:05 |
| zhipeng | I added a tab named legend | 14:05 |
| zhipeng | to provide the definitions | 14:05 |
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| zhipeng | and I've also added couple more features gaps that identified by our team | 14:06 |
| zhipeng | from row 21 to row 24 | 14:06 |
| tobberydberg | Cool! | 14:06 |
| zhipeng | also another tab for the Interop Guideline work that related to public cloud | 14:07 |
| adriant | it's so weird, for some reason that spreadsheet doesn't render for me in Chrome... but it works in firefox | 14:07 |
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| tobberydberg | render well for me in chrome | 14:08 |
| zhipeng | adriant works fine on my chrome | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | good job zhipeng | 14:08 |
| zhipeng | no problem | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | So, to use the time we have well here...to all of you...just feel free to update the document whenever, comment etc etc | 14:10 |
| tobberydberg | questions to zhipeng on this, or can we move on to next topic? | 14:10 |
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| seanhandley | I have a related matter to raise tobberydberg | 14:11 |
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| seanhandley | Regarding the missing features list | 14:11 |
| tobberydberg | shoot | 14:11 |
| seanhandley | I've been pursuing a potential way for several public clouds to pool their resources and pay for upstream development work. | 14:12 |
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| seanhandley | I'm happy to work on upstream dev as part of my job | 14:12 |
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| seanhandley | but it was expressed in Boston that companies could each pay a % of a full time upstream dev's salary | 14:12 |
| seanhandley | A company here in Manchester with a good history of working with OpenStack is proposing to put forward a developer | 14:13 |
| yamamoto | oops, sorry for leaving the taas meeting open. | 14:13 |
| seanhandley | Right now I'm just seeing who's potentially prepared to get involved in this and then we'll get them to create a full costed proposal | 14:14 |
| seanhandley | So if anyone here likes this then please tell other people and also tell me :-) | 14:15 |
| seanhandley | And I'll make connections happen etc | 14:15 |
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| tobberydberg | As you know, I like the idea and we are willing to participate in this initiative | 14:16 |
| seanhandley | Any thoughts/questions zhipeng adriant pilgrimstack | 14:16 |
| seanhandley | ? | 14:16 |
| adriant | we likely will as well, and we already have devs working in upstream as much as we can between internal work :) | 14:16 |
| seanhandley | That's great adriant - who's the best person in Catalyst to CC on the relevant emails? | 14:17 |
| seanhandley | yourself? | 14:17 |
| zhipeng | i think we already have upstream devs in place | 14:17 |
| adriant | Myself, but probably Bruno for anything directly business related | 14:17 |
| adriant | I can pass on his details to you | 14:17 |
| seanhandley | Thanks adriant | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | Did you put this to the Goals-doc? | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 14:18 |
| seanhandley | Yes tobberydberg | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | I see it now | 14:18 |
| seanhandley | it'd be good to have some agreements in place by Sydney | 14:18 |
| seanhandley | and aim to deliver 6 and 12 months after Sydney | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | Exactly, thats probably a good time frame fot that | 14:19 |
| seanhandley | it gives scope for full specs/blueprints and engagement with the community | 14:19 |
| pilgrimstack | For us, we are hiring. So for now it's mostly best effort as we did until now. I hope this can change with new ressources. | 14:19 |
| seanhandley | and then the ongoing expectation is that members of the Public Cloud WG will help maintain the features with fixes/reviews etc as an ongoing responsibility | 14:20 |
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| seanhandley | that way the up-front costs are predictable and have a definite end | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 14:20 |
| seanhandley | It'd be cool to have OVH involved if possible pilgrimstack :-) | 14:20 |
| seanhandley | Anyway, more info to come soon | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks for that seanhandley! | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | Next topic | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | #topic Decide on goals for Sydney Summit | 14:21 |
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| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYDNEY_GOALS_publiccloud-wg | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | I did remind all readers to go in and vote/put comments etc in the summary email from last meeting | 14:22 |
| tobberydberg | Not sure how many that has been there =) | 14:22 |
| tobberydberg | So, we don't have that many votes to base a decision on =) | 14:23 |
| seanhandley | Keep it simple and achievable I guess | 14:24 |
| seanhandley | the major feature changes to existing projects is a bit of a long game | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | I believe that it's pretty important that we decide up on a few reasonable goals, update our wiki, and announce the group | 14:24 |
| seanhandley | I think focus on the coupons idea that Flanders had | 14:24 |
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| adriant | I'll most likely be doing a small presentation about Adjutant at a local OpenStack meetup fairly soon, and the plan is to record that, and use it also as basis for a potential further talk at the summit in Sydney. | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | I like that idea as well | 14:25 |
| adriant | So that kind of covers/falls under that first 'technical' aspect | 14:25 |
| seanhandley | That's great adriant | 14:25 |
| seanhandley | Adjutant ticks a lot of boxes for missing features | 14:25 |
| seanhandley | I'd like to spend some time using it/contributing over the next 6 months for sure | 14:25 |
| adriant | Plus document a lot of what actually is happening there as well, so the features/plans are aware | 14:25 |
| adriant | It needs work! But there is potential there | 14:26 |
| seanhandley | it'd be awesome to have some examples in the doc of third party integrations | 14:26 |
| zhipengh[m] | Sorry home network went down ... | 14:26 |
| seanhandley | then public cloud providers have an idea of what they need to do in order to integrate with their payment gateways, for instance | 14:26 |
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| seanhandley | that's going to be a really popular type of task | 14:26 |
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| pilgrimstack | it sounds great, I'll cj-heck it with my team | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | yes that is great | 14:27 |
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| tobberydberg | We have the "PublicCloud Meetup" that I think that we should do as well | 14:28 |
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| pilgrimstack | can you describe one or two use cases? | 14:28 |
| zhipengh[m] | We should set that as one of our goals :) | 14:29 |
| zhipengh[m] | I think since there are many opportunities, we could do the meetup as a serie | 14:29 |
| adriant | pilgrimstack: use cases for adjutant? | 14:30 |
| zhipengh[m] | So if any of us could attend one of the OpenStack Day in EU country | 14:30 |
| pilgrimstack | yep, real use case on your side | 14:30 |
| zhipengh[m] | We should try to arrange a public cloud wg meetup, nothing fancy, maybe just one or two talks | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | I added headline "Decided goals" to the document, think that is the simplest way to make that clear to just copy them in there | 14:31 |
| adriant | pilgrimstack: automatic sign-up was the original use case I started building it for, but also user management and invitation via emails, password resets, and other multi-system admin tasks that don't fit into keystone. | 14:31 |
| seanhandley | We're talking two parallel threads here guys - let's finish talking about Adjutant | 14:31 |
| seanhandley | and then move on to talking about the meetup | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | I think that can be the first decided goal (based on votes) | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | sure =) | 14:31 |
| pilgrimstack | adriant: ok, nice, thx | 14:32 |
| adriant | pilgrimstack: I | 14:32 |
| adriant | l'll try and find the email I sent out talking about it | 14:32 |
| adriant | it covers it better than I can quickly in irc :) | 14:32 |
| adriant | but yes, I do need a recorded video demo | 14:32 |
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| seanhandley | Let me know if I can help with anything you're working on with Adjutant adriant | 14:33 |
| tobberydberg | would be great =) | 14:33 |
| adriant | pilgrimstack: for later reading: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117603.html | 14:33 |
| seanhandley | Shall we move onto discussing the WG meetup(s) ? | 14:33 |
| adriant | yep :) | 14:34 |
| tobberydberg | Cool =) | 14:34 |
| tobberydberg | As I said, based on voting I believe we can decide that that is one of the goals | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYDNEY_GOALS_publiccloud-wg | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | location doesn't need to be decided now, but could be if you think we should | 14:35 |
| zhipengh[m] | Shall we specify as EU meetup ? | 14:36 |
| zhipengh[m] | NA meetup could be the next goal | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | Looking in the etherpad, both UK and Copenhagen are potential candidates where we will have a room | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | sure | 14:37 |
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| zhipengh[m] | Nice ! | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | Cupons/Passport ? | 14:37 |
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| zhipengh[m] | Could be in the goals as well | 14:39 |
| zhipengh[m] | Worth doing :) | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | Keep "Missing features list" up 2 date? | 14:39 |
| seanhandley | pilgrimstack: Is anyone from OVH attending OpenStack Days Nordic or OpenStack Days UK? | 14:39 |
| pilgrimstack | I dont think so | 14:39 |
| zhipengh[m] | Agree tobberydberg (IRC) | 14:40 |
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| tobberydberg | Thought? Suggestion of prioritised goals? | 14:40 |
| pilgrimstack | Goals for the EU meetup ? | 14:41 |
| tobberydberg | No, for this cycle until the Sydney Summit | 14:42 |
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| pilgrimstack | Ok, I was here mainly because I heard about global cupons :) | 14:42 |
| pilgrimstack | can you tell me more about it ? | 14:42 |
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| tobberydberg | yes | 14:43 |
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| adriant | I'm assuming like a partnership between multiple openstack public cloud providers to give new users shared starting credit across all partner clouds? | 14:44 |
| seanhandley | Basically yes adriant | 14:44 |
| seanhandley | David Flanders (flanders@openstack.org) is driving this afaik | 14:45 |
| adriant | ^ Interests me because I'm in the middle of a refactor/redo of our own credit/trial processes | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | yes, that is the suggestion of the coupon thing | 14:45 |
| pilgrimstack | so it's juste about dealing vouchers from one central point? | 14:45 |
| seanhandley | He's considering it as an "OpenStack Passport" | 14:45 |
| seanhandley | so yes, the Foundation would deal out vouchers | 14:45 |
| seanhandley | and then those would be valid on all participating public clouds | 14:45 |
| seanhandley | no proposed technical solutions yet afaik | 14:46 |
| pilgrimstack | ok, the cenrtal point should manage the "already consumed" state, right? | 14:46 |
| tobberydberg | I guess that will be the harder part, if we can't do different for each cloud | 14:46 |
| seanhandley | How about I set an action item to check in with Flanders about this and get more information of how the Foundation is thinking this will work? | 14:46 |
| seanhandley | Otherwise we're only guessing | 14:47 |
| pilgrimstack | it's $100 on each public cloud or $100 on one of the public cloud? | 14:47 |
| adriant | It's also a hard one to unify since most providers tend to handle their credit/trial a little differently, and the user would still need accounts in each cloud, since multi-cloud federation would be weird. | 14:47 |
| zhipeng | i think each cloud could have different offering | 14:47 |
| zhipeng | the foundation just design the coupon format | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | sounds good seanhandley | 14:48 |
| zhipeng | i would suggest we let each cloud provider keep their own way of offering | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | I guess we can put it as a goal anyway if we think it is a good thing in general | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | the details could be set later | 14:49 |
| seanhandley | Definitely - it has great appeal for clouds, the foundation, and users | 14:49 |
| zhipeng | yes agree | 14:49 |
| seanhandley | it's just answering how it would work technically | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | ok, but it up there | 14:49 |
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| seanhandley | I'll check in with Flanders - it may be that he puts the question back to us :) | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | cool | 14:49 |
| seanhandley | so feel free to give it some thought | 14:49 |
| pilgrimstack | we all agree I think :) | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | #action seanhandley to check with flanders about passport | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | more? | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | Äny tech? | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | Any | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | I really think: Pooling of resources to fund upstream feature development | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | That can be a really good thing | 14:51 |
| pilgrimstack | I think from the communication point of view, it should be something like: you want to try OpenStack? Let the foundation offer you $100 usable on any Public Cloud provider based on OpenStack" | 14:51 |
| zhipeng | i think funding would be one aspect | 14:51 |
| zhipeng | another direction is to utilize the upstream devs that are already there | 14:52 |
| seanhandley | that's true zhipeng | 14:52 |
| zhipeng | we could keep both option open | 14:52 |
| zhipeng | WG could be the source to drive both directions | 14:53 |
| seanhandley | absolutely - can you see what your upstream devs are working on? | 14:53 |
| seanhandley | maybe try to steer towards some public cloud features in future? | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | of course ... could we get them to prio our list of missing features? ;-) | 14:53 |
| adriant | I know at Catalyst we try and do everything we can upstream first, and I think having a goal like that for most providers helps. | 14:53 |
| adriant | Trying to promote people to do less in house and more as a community if possible :) | 14:54 |
| zhipeng | i think Matt who is the Nova PTL already left comments at the gap doc | 14:54 |
| zhipeng | we could start there :) | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | A really good approach, really like that | 14:54 |
| seanhandley | Agree tobberydberg adriant | 14:55 |
| seanhandley | for us it's a skill shortage | 14:55 |
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| seanhandley | we're not Python devs | 14:55 |
| seanhandley | though we're willing to learn :D | 14:55 |
| zhipeng | tobberydberg do you think we have enough information from today's meeting that we could kickoff the official establishment of WG in UC ? | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | we are not either,,,,but would like to do more... | 14:55 |
| adriant | seanhandley, yeah that doesn't help, and sometimes the openstack code bases are hard to get into | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | would like that we all review the list of decided and move more up to decided if we think that we should | 14:56 |
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| tobberydberg | we have 3 minutes =) | 14:57 |
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| seanhandley | Decided Goals tobberydberg ? | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 14:58 |
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| seanhandley | We need to commit to a location for the Public Cloud WG EU Meetup | 14:58 |
| seanhandley | There's OpenStack Days London in September and OpenStack Days Nordic (Copenhagen) | 14:59 |
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| seanhandley | I propose we do something for both, and see who shows up. Even if that means repeating the sessions. | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | lets put votes in the docs and discuss in #openstack-publiccloud | 14:59 |
| zhipeng | i agree with sean | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | time is up....always feel like to little time.... | 15:00 |
| seanhandley | We already have people in the WG organising both OpenStack Days :) | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | Thank you all for today...please check in to the goals document | 15:00 |
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| seanhandley | Cheers guys o/ | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 15:00:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-06-21-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-06-21-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-06-21-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
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| pilgrimstack | ok guyes, thx, bye | 15:08 |
| pilgrimstack | guys | 15:08 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute_s | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 16:01:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute_s. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:01 |
| eglute_s | Hello Everyone! if you are here for interopwg, raise your hand! | 16:01 |
| eglute_s | #link agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.5 | 16:01 |
| eglute_s | please update agenda as needed! | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:02 |
| eglute_s | #chair hogepodge | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute_s hogepodge | 16:02 |
| eglute_s | Mark is not able to attend today | 16:02 |
| eglute_s | anyone else besides hogepodge and mrhillsman here for interop? | 16:03 |
| mguiney | o/ | 16:03 |
| * eglute_s waves | 16:03 | |
| luzC | o/ | 16:03 |
| eglute_s | Hello Everyone! Once again, agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.5 | 16:04 |
| eglute_s | #topic Denver PTG | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver PTG (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:04 | |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:04 |
| eglute_s | Thanks hogepodge for confirming us for Monday/Tuesday! | 16:04 |
| eglute_s | everyone, please book your travel to PTG. Hope to see you all there! | 16:05 |
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| eglute_s | we will start the agenda etherpad for PTG when it gets a little closer i think | 16:05 |
| eglute_s | #topic 2017.08 Guideline | 16:05 |
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| eglute_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472848/ | 16:06 |
| eglute_s | everyone, please review the 2017.08 guideline | 16:06 |
| eglute_s | #action everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472848/ | 16:06 |
| eglute_s | we still have one outstanding patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467528/ | 16:06 |
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| eglute_s | mguiney i guess it is failing on Jenkins? | 16:07 |
| mguiney | yeah, i have a fix that i think will remedy that, i just have to finish testing it | 16:07 |
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| eglute_s | cool, thank you so much! | 16:07 |
| eglute_s | so if this test gets added, are we still ok to add the test to the 2017.08? | 16:08 |
| eglute_s | what do you think hogepodge | 16:09 |
| eglute_s | and everyone else? | 16:09 |
| hogepodge | I think so, yeah | 16:09 |
| luzC | me too, | 16:10 |
| mguiney | cool | 16:10 |
| eglute_s | cool... thank you mguiney for working on this | 16:10 |
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| eglute_s | anything else regarding 2017.08 guideline? | 16:10 |
| eglute_s | #topic | 16:11 |
| eglute_s | Add tokens validate capability as 2017.08 advisory | 16:11 |
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| eglute_s | #topic Add tokens validate capability as 2017.08 advisory | 16:11 |
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| eglute_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475906/ | 16:11 |
| eglute_s | thank you luzC for submitting the patch | 16:11 |
| eglute_s | I think it is missing actual patch to 2017.08? | 16:12 |
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| eglute_s | luzC? | 16:13 |
| luzC | ah since Mark's patch is not merged yet I only modified next.json | 16:13 |
| eglute_s | ah ok | 16:13 |
| eglute_s | yeah that complicates things | 16:13 |
| eglute_s | could you modify Mark's patch? | 16:13 |
| eglute_s | i guess can be done after this one is merged | 16:13 |
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| eglute_s | thank you so much! | 16:13 |
| eglute_s | #action everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475906/ | 16:14 |
| luzC | and yes I can modify Marks's patch :) | 16:14 |
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| eglute_s | thanks! | 16:15 |
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| eglute_s | i will do proper review after the meeting, but there is a 2015.05 required date | 16:16 |
| eglute_s | i think that needs updating | 16:16 |
| eglute_s | anything else on this? | 16:16 |
| eglute_s | #topic Fix html_last_updated_fmt for Python3 | 16:16 |
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| eglute_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475220/ | 16:17 |
| eglute_s | Python 3 compliance patch. looks good to me, if no objections, i will merge it later today | 16:17 |
| eglute_s | so please take a quick look and let me know if there are any issues there | 16:17 |
| eglute_s | #topic Adding python35 support to jsontorst script | 16:18 |
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| eglute_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475031/ | 16:19 |
| eglute_s | another python 3 patch. thank you luzC! | 16:19 |
| eglute_s | everyone, please review. | 16:19 |
| mguiney | thank you! | 16:20 |
| mguiney | or rather, ca do! | 16:20 |
| eglute_s | great, thanks mguiney | 16:20 |
| mguiney | scrolled up too far, sorry | 16:20 |
| eglute_s | heheh | 16:20 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:21 |
| eglute_s | #topic 2.0 schema | 16:21 |
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| eglute_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/ | 16:21 |
| eglute_s | if you have not had a chance to review schema 2.0, please do so | 16:21 |
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| hogepodge | So, no reviews since last week. | 16:22 |
| eglute_s | I think it looks good, except for a few minor things | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | (well, not no, but just one from egle) | 16:22 |
| eglute_s | heheh | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | I'm going to get working on formalizing it. Please review asap so I can take your comments into account. | 16:22 |
| eglute_s | I actually tried to think of what might be missing, | 16:22 |
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| luzC | I'll | 16:23 |
| eglute_s | and came to the conclusion that we will find the missing things once we try to add the add-ons. | 16:23 |
| eglute_s | i do like how simple it makes having add-ons or standalone programs | 16:24 |
| eglute_s | any other comments on schema? | 16:24 |
| eglute_s | we presented this draft to the board yesterady | 16:24 |
| eglute_s | had good discussion, the board seems to be on board with this | 16:25 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 16:25 |
| eglute_s | thank you hogepodge for working on the schema | 16:25 |
| eglute_s | #Create rough draft of extension programs | 16:25 |
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| eglute_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472785/ | 16:26 |
| eglute_s | Same here. please review and let us know if you have any comments or issues | 16:26 |
| eglute_s | any comments on Mark's draft? | 16:27 |
| Rockyg | gotten through half of it. Will finish up after this meeting | 16:27 |
| eglute_s | thank you Rockyg | 16:27 |
| mrhillsman | same here | 16:27 |
| eglute_s | thanks mrhillsman | 16:28 |
| luzC | I think it looks really good, but since I'm familiar with all the context it makes sense... wondering about other teams in the community | 16:28 |
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| eglute_s | luzC good point | 16:28 |
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| eglute_s | i think it would be worth while to send it out to the community to review | 16:28 |
| Rockyg | getting some on the tc to review. we'gve got two so far | 16:29 |
| eglute_s | for me as well all of it makes sense, since we been talking a lot about it | 16:29 |
| eglute_s | i dont think we sent these yet to dev/ops lists yet for review | 16:30 |
| eglute_s | i can do that later today | 16:30 |
| eglute_s | oh actually we did | 16:30 |
| Rockyg | yup | 16:30 |
| luzC | yes, Mark sent an email | 16:31 |
| eglute_s | ok, then i will not be sending out again | 16:31 |
| eglute_s | #topic Mandatory submission of test results | 16:31 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Mandatory submission of test results (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:31 | |
| eglute_s | so last week hogepodge said he will work on draft of what that might look like | 16:32 |
| eglute_s | hogepodge any updates? | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | no, not on that | 16:32 |
| eglute_s | cool, | 16:32 |
| eglute_s | not super urgent in any case | 16:33 |
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| eglute_s | #topic Vertical Programs | 16:33 |
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| eglute_s | So Friday morning we are invited to join OPNFV meeting | 16:33 |
| eglute_s | if you can, please join. | 16:33 |
| eglute_s | if you are interested in NFV, or are knowledgeable about it, it would be very helpful | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | Can you send an invite with info? | 16:34 |
| eglute_s | yes, i can forward invite to the mailing list | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | Thanks. | 16:34 |
| luzC | eglute_s: are you sending meeting details? | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | I'll try to make it | 16:34 |
| mrhillsman | it is on the agenda as well | 16:34 |
| mrhillsman | but email does not hurt :) | 16:35 |
| eglute_s | #action eglute_s to forward the invite to OPNFV to the ML | 16:35 |
| luzC | mrhillsman: I see, thanks | 16:35 |
| eglute_s | yes, i will forward. it is very early | 16:35 |
| eglute_s | especially for those in PST time zone | 16:35 |
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| eglute_s | most participants are in europe i think, hence the early meetings | 16:36 |
| Rockyg | dang. | 16:36 |
| eglute_s | 6:00 AM PST | 16:36 |
| eglute_s | any other comments on this? | 16:36 |
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| mrhillsman | coocoo clock :) | 16:36 |
| eglute_s | heheh | 16:36 |
| eglute_s | #topic Implementing "Defcore additional properties waiver" at RefStack | 16:37 |
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| eglute_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370534/ | 16:37 |
| Rockyg | I think I'll work from home that day =P | 16:37 |
| eglute_s | luzC added this, | 16:37 |
| eglute_s | everyone, please review | 16:38 |
| luzC | yes, so the patch is not working right now ant I might take a while to fix it, since waiver time is almost gone | 16:38 |
| eglute_s | luzC any additional comments on this patch? | 16:38 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. What was the end of the waiver period? | 16:38 |
| Rockyg | I think it will be gone by 2017.08? | 16:39 |
| luzC | we were wondering if we should still pursue adding this into refstack or are we ok to drop the effort? | 16:39 |
| eglute_s | is the waiver period already over? | 16:39 |
| eglute_s | i imagine in the future there might be other waivers | 16:39 |
| Rockyg | That's the 64k question! | 16:39 |
| eglute_s | so might be useful | 16:39 |
| hogepodge | I don't know who will be using it any more. eglute_s and Rockyg probably have the best insights as consumers of the waiver | 16:39 |
| mrhillsman | what is "the waiver"? | 16:40 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge, wich guideline did it get put on? | 16:40 |
| eglute_s | if it is only 2 companies that asked for the waiver, then might not be worth the coding effort | 16:40 |
| Rockyg | I know that latest releases for Huawei are passing, I *think* without waivers | 16:40 |
| luzC | mrhillsman: Defcore committee approved a waiver that allows vendors who are using the Nova 2.0 API with additional properties to disable strict response checking when testing products for the OpenStack Powered program in 2016. | 16:41 |
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| mrhillsman | thx | 16:41 |
| eglute_s | i think if the code is there, should probably be merged | 16:42 |
| Rockyg | When 2017.08 hits, then, the waivers should be over. Last two rule | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: I don't remember exactly, one of the older versions of Fusion Sphere I think | 16:42 |
| eglute_s | unless someone asks for the same extension of the waiver? | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | maybe the DT cloud? I'd have to consult my notes. | 16:43 |
| mrhillsman | i do not know much about this but i guess i would ask could waivers exist in the future for other cases? | 16:43 |
| Rockyg | Yup. That was a Juno version. I think the new one is ok. Did you see the waiver used on the latest cert? | 16:43 |
| Rockyg | No, DT will qualify against 2017.01 next cert. | 16:44 |
| hogepodge | we gave a year so that products could move off of it. | 16:44 |
| eglute_s | a year starting when? do you remember hogepodge | 16:45 |
| Rockyg | I suspect that if you used the waiver, it happened against a 2016, so recert would be no waiver. | 16:46 |
| Rockyg | But maybe someone certified against current guideline with the waiver? | 16:46 |
| luzC | https://github.com/openstack/interop/blob/master/working_materials/additional_properties_waiver.rst | 16:46 |
| eglute_s | thank you luzC | 16:47 |
| hogepodge | 2016.08 was supposed to be the last available guideline, so waiver will end in 2017.08 | 16:47 |
| Rockyg | thanks, luzC The waiver period is over | 16:47 |
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| Rockyg | once .08 is out ;-) | 16:47 |
| hogepodge | because 2017.01 and 2016.08 are the current guidelines | 16:48 |
| eglute_s | I think it is up to refstack team if they want to keep the code for wavers | 16:48 |
| eglute_s | i am ok with the refstack supporting them | 16:48 |
| Rockyg | so, someone could still get waiver if they submit with 2016.08 before the new release | 16:48 |
| eglute_s | correct | 16:49 |
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| luzC | the implementation was very specific to this waiver not having generic waivers... | 16:49 |
| eglute_s | ah ok | 16:49 |
| luzC | but let me go back to refstack to see what is the consensus | 16:49 |
| eglute_s | thank you luzC | 16:50 |
| eglute_s | anything else on this? | 16:50 |
| eglute_s | #topic open discussion | 16:51 |
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| eglute_s | anything else today? | 16:51 |
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| eglute_s | if not, we can end a few minutes early | 16:52 |
| eglute_s | thank you everyone! | 16:52 |
| eglute_s | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 16:52:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-06-21-16.01.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-06-21-16.01.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-06-21-16.01.log.html | 16:52 |
| Rockyg | thanks all! | 16:52 |
| mguiney | have a good day, all! | 16:52 |
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| mrhillsman | ttyl | 16:56 |
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| dtp | ok thanks! | 17:00 |
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