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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 27 15:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #chair haleyb | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: haleyb mlavalle | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
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| mlavalle | The Pike 2 milestone is next | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Scheduled for June 5 - 9 | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | Boston Summit is a little more that a week away | 15:04 |
| john-dav_ | o/ | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | May 8 - 11 | 15:04 |
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| * mlavalle looking forward to sharing some frosty beverages with haleyb and sending the bill to john-davidge | 15:05 | |
| haleyb | that joke will never get old :) | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | lol | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Any other announcements? | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:07 | |
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| mlavalle | First one up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | We don't have any hits for this bug producing any build failures over the past 7 days | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | removing the "with build failures" requirement, I can see 7 hits over the past 7 days | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | 5 of them are with branches ocata or newton, which don't have this fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452501/ | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | The other 2 were in Tempest, which doesn't run Neutron master for the failed tests | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | So, I closed this bug a few minutes ago | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | It took some effort but we squashed this sucker \o/ | 15:11 |
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| haleyb | yeah! | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | I don't think that final patchset was the entire solution. It was just the final nail in the coffin of this bug | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | The re-factoring of the delete_network and delete_subnet methods in the ML2 and DB plugins by kevinbenton had a lot to do with it | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683227 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683227 in neutron "test_connection_from_same_address_scope failed with: Cannot find device "qg-74372988-7f"" [High,Confirmed] | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | I didn't have time to spend with this one | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | Since the Flusherror is gone, I'll give this one some TLC soon | 15:16 |
| haleyb | we should add a logstash query to the bug to make sure it wasn't a one-time thing | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: yeah, that is my very next step | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | I don't want to be chasing any ghosts | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | Those are all the bugs we have today | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs from the team? | 15:19 |
| haleyb | not from me | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | cool, moving on | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | #topic DNS | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DNS (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:20 | |
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| mlavalle | I have been adding patchsets to add the dns_domain attribute to ports | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I have 3 patchsets under review and a fourth one on its way | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | I will put all of them under the same gerrit topic so they are easy to find | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Routed Networks (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:23 | |
| haleyb | mlavalle: can you put info on the DNS reviews on the etherpad? i didn't see alink there | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: I will do that | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | on the Routed networks stuff, I will start working on a spec to add floating ips support | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | As soon as I push the first version, I will post it in the etherpad | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:27 | |
| mlavalle | I will submit a patchset to infra to add haleyb to the chairs of this meeting | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | Any toher topics? | 15:28 |
| haleyb | not from me | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | Cool, we are done for today | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | Enjoy the rest of the week | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 27 15:29:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-04-27-15.00.html | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-04-27-15.00.txt | 15:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-04-27-15.00.log.html | 15:29 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 27 16:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chair edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| cdent | anyone else joining us today? | 16:00 |
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| cdent | ah, there we go | 16:01 |
| * mordred waves at the nice people | 16:01 | |
| * edleafe is sad that mordred didn't wave at him, too | 16:01 | |
| cdent | #topoic previous meeting actions | 16:01 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:01 |
| cdent | oops | 16:01 |
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| cdent | #topic previous meeting actions | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting actions (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:01 | |
| edleafe | you misspelled 'tapioca' | 16:01 |
| cdent | elmiko and I are supposed to be preparing for the forum | 16:01 |
| * cdent looks at elmiko sheepishly | 16:01 | |
| * elmiko is preparing furiously | 16:02 | |
| cdent | well done | 16:02 |
| cdent | edleafe was to ping liaisons | 16:02 |
| cdent | there was email, anything after that edleafe ? | 16:02 |
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| edleafe | I got a few responses, but not much | 16:02 |
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| edleafe | Heat will have to find a new liaison | 16:03 |
| edleafe | Manilla too | 16:03 |
| cdent | the usual rule for cross project liaisons is that it is the PTL in the absence of them designating someone else | 16:03 |
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| cdent | so one option would be to set missing people or projects to the ptl? | 16:04 |
| edleafe | I also asked for email addresses so that we can reach them outside of Gerrit reviews | 16:04 |
| edleafe | We could set to PTL, but we don't know how many of the liaisons are no longer able to do the role, or how many didn't respond | 16:05 |
| * edleafe thinks that's sort of the same thing :) | 16:05 | |
| cdent | i just meant set to ptl for the missing projects and the people we know are missing | 16:05 |
| elmiko | i like adding the ptls then making ridiculous demands | 16:05 |
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| cdent | and leave the rest to rust | 16:05 |
| edleafe | Sure, but that does nothing to address our concern about "silence is consent" | 16:06 |
| cdent | yes | 16:06 |
| cdent | but it may be better than the current situation | 16:06 |
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| * cdent doesn't have any ideas | 16:07 | |
| cdent | maybe silence is just gonna mean approval and that's the way it goes | 16:07 |
| elmiko | it seemed like we were using our best idea | 16:07 |
| cdent | elmiko I guess you and I can farm people at the BOF for ideas, but usual the attendees are not PTLs and CPLs | 16:09 |
| elmiko | right | 16:09 |
| cdent | so besides that, that leaves wait and see. edleafe ? | 16:09 |
| mordred | I like silence is assent until it becomes a problem | 16:09 |
| elmiko | given the nature of the openstack community, i'm not sure there is anything more substantial we can do | 16:09 |
| mordred | I mean, I don't "like" it - but I don't see a better choice atm | 16:09 |
| edleafe | I'm out of ideas. If there isn't that much interest... | 16:09 |
| cdent | mordred: you like that because you've written a lot of things that you want people to assent to ;) | 16:10 |
| mordred | cdent: yup | 16:10 |
| elmiko | edleafe: right, we can't "force" pppl to participate | 16:10 |
| * edleafe posts a review that obligates CPLs to pay me $100 | 16:10 | |
| mordred | cdent: but seriously, we easily get hamstrung in openstack waiting for active consensus from people who have decided to not respond | 16:10 |
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| mordred | and that's not great either | 16:10 |
| elmiko | edleafe: +1 | 16:10 |
| cdent | mordred: true | 16:10 |
| cdent | it's just...a bummer | 16:10 |
| elmiko | cdent: too true | 16:11 |
| cdent | we've made an effort, so I guess we move on | 16:11 |
| mordred | eventually something will happen that will piss someone off and they'll start paying attention | 16:11 |
| edleafe | mordred: that's "as good as it's gonna get" :) | 16:11 |
| mordred | edleafe: ++ | 16:11 |
| cdent | alright, move on to next topic? | 16:11 |
| elmiko | i like the idea that we are as transparent as possible, give folks ample time to raise issues, and then make the guidelines published | 16:11 |
| elmiko | if it becomes an issue, then yeah, folks will complain and, ideally,they will get more involved | 16:12 |
| cdent | yup | 16:12 |
| mordred | yah - and making a best-effort to ping any peope we can happen to know are specifically impacted when reasonable | 16:12 |
| elmiko | not like we are hiding | 16:12 |
| cdent | the agenda is a bit out of date, we've just covered what's listed as the one new biz | 16:12 |
| elmiko | mordred: absolutely | 16:12 |
| cdent | #topic new biz | 16:12 |
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| cdent | but edleafe pointed out a good point in his last comment on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ | 16:13 |
| cdent | i accidently implicitly approved a not yet approved guideline | 16:13 |
| elmiko | hmm | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | seems like we need to get the dependent one merged to then | 16:14 |
| cdent | or leave out that bit | 16:14 |
| elmiko | man, i never imagined we'd need a dep graph for guidelines lol | 16:14 |
| cdent | or not care and assume the other wil merge | 16:14 |
| edleafe | Since jroll is not in a position to continue on the signaling patch, I can pick it up | 16:15 |
| cdent | edleafe: I had the same thing, but if you want it, have at | 16:15 |
| cdent | s/had/had said/ | 16:15 |
| jroll | edleafe: thanks for that | 16:15 |
| edleafe | We can hold off on the stability guideline until that is merged. If it is killed, then we can update the stability patch | 16:15 |
| mordred | cdent: I think maybe just leaving that bit out, then putting in a patch that depends on the next_min_version patch that updates the api_interop doc with the next_min_version stuff? | 16:15 |
| jroll | I still consider it done, just need to get people to agree | 16:15 |
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| edleafe | jroll: zactly | 16:16 |
| edleafe | that's why I figure let's not muck with the stability patch | 16:16 |
| elmiko | yeah, i kinda agree with mordred here. maybe best to leave out the dependent bit and then update when the other merges | 16:16 |
| cdent | edleafe: there's some desire to get the stability thing merged so the tc proposal that wants it can move | 16:16 |
| mordred | or maybe even add the next_min_version bits to jroll's patch so that it can be seen in the context of how it changes the api_interop doc? | 16:16 |
| edleafe | just hold off merging for now | 16:16 |
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| edleafe | The one contentious part left is the time aspect | 16:17 |
| edleafe | IOW, the guarantee that it won't change before $date | 16:18 |
| cdent | #link next_min_version: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446138/ | 16:18 |
| edleafe | But thinking about that now, that could take a while to resolve | 16:18 |
| * cdent nods | 16:19 | |
| edleafe | So maybe just drop the wording from stability, re-freeze, and merge it next week? | 16:19 |
| elmiko | yeah, that seems like it will need some time in the oven | 16:19 |
| cdent | works for me | 16:19 |
| mordred | edleafe: ++ | 16:19 |
| elmiko | i'm +1 for rewording | 16:19 |
| cdent | i've push a new version which s/,.*/\./ | 16:21 |
| cdent | i figured simple was best | 16:21 |
| cdent | elmiko, edleafe can one of you glance and refreeze if it is sufficient? | 16:21 |
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| elmiko | ack | 16:22 |
| cdent | I'd be somewhat inclined to think that was a small enough change to be a typo | 16:22 |
| cdent | and thus we can just merge it | 16:22 |
| cdent | but I'm probably violating protocol somehow | 16:22 |
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| elmiko | you, violate a protocol, i'm shocked i tell you, shocked! | 16:22 |
| * cdent has infectious PTSD from mordred | 16:23 | |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:23 |
| mordred | \o/ | 16:23 |
| edleafe | Re-frozen | 16:23 |
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| elmiko | yeah, that change lgtm | 16:24 |
| * edleafe is super-conservative, as everyone who knows me will attest to | 16:24 | |
| * cdent guffaws | 16:24 | |
| * elmiko sarcasm meter goes off | 16:24 | |
| cdent | Anyone else have any other new business? mordred did you want to chat about your novels? | 16:25 |
| elmiko | omg, remember a few weeks ago we joked about sarcasm aaS? | 16:25 |
| mordred | soo.... | 16:25 |
| elmiko | my group dug up all these machine learning articles about sarcasm detection | 16:25 |
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| mordred | I mean, I have written several very large and mind-hurting new documents | 16:25 |
| elmiko | uh oh | 16:25 |
| mordred | I will apologize in advance for the one on consuming discovery - it definitely hurts | 16:26 |
| cdent | #link discovery-related proposed guidelines: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459405/ | 16:26 |
| cdent | yeah don't let that one put you off. the rest of them pay out | 16:26 |
| edleafe | No exaggeration - it took me almost 3 hours to digest the first one | 16:26 |
| mordred | it might be worth a couple of seconds of background of how we even got here real quick ... | 16:26 |
| elmiko | wow | 16:26 |
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| edleafe | elmiko: the later versions had better examples that made things a bit clearer | 16:27 |
| cdent | background++ | 16:27 |
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| elmiko | ahh, gotcha | 16:27 |
| edleafe | mordred: go for it! | 16:27 |
| elmiko | and yeah, background++ | 16:27 |
| mordred | over in shade-land we're currently working on swiching from client libs to direct REST - which has been quite pleasant overall | 16:27 |
| mordred | but we got to the point where we needed to do version discovery for the third time, and it seemed like we should maybe write a general function | 16:27 |
| mordred | that's when we learned that keystoneauth already has a general function to do version discovery | 16:27 |
| mordred | (yay!) | 16:28 |
| mordred | but it didn't quite do all the things we needed | 16:28 |
| mordred | next step - add them! | 16:28 |
| mordred | but ... ksa has some nice logic, and we wanted ot add some new cases - and it quickly became clear that there was not a general understanding of what the 'right' thing to do was | 16:28 |
| mordred | other than just waht the existing libs happened to have already been doing | 16:28 |
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| mordred | so I have _no_idea_ how people in non-python land could hope to navigate that, if it's even hard for those of us with the libs | 16:29 |
| mordred | anywho - I wrote up what I have come to understand as the complete process that covers all of the edge cases and is forwards compatible with how we'd LIKE it to work in the future | 16:30 |
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| mordred | that, then,led to writing down what we'd like it to be the in future ) | 16:30 |
| mordred | :) | 16:30 |
| elmiko | does this tie in at all to the early proposals we had for adding api discoverability to the guidelines? | 16:30 |
| elmiko | i think we have some json-home stuff in there | 16:31 |
| edleafe | The biggest problem with reviewing is that (aside from grammar and the like) none of us have the domain knowledge that mordred does | 16:31 |
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| mordred | I've been pulling catalogs and version discovery docs from various clouds and just walking through them by hand - which isn't super pleasant - but yah, we need to come up with a better way to vett the actual logic itself | 16:32 |
| elmiko | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/discoverability.html | 16:33 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Version_Responses | 16:33 |
| mordred | elmiko: the version discovery stuff doesn't change much realted to api-discoverability as much as just capture current state and what folks have been generally saying at summits and ptgs | 16:33 |
| elmiko | mordred: ah, gotcha. i hesitate to ask, but does this approach the HATEOS kinda stuff? | 16:33 |
| mordred | elmiko: it's definitely based around the version document that's in the microversions document being the "right" way for those to look- but it should hande all of the versoin documents you just linked | 16:34 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:34 |
| mordred | elmiko: not that I'm aware of | 16:34 |
| cdent | elmiko: your question reminds me of something that came up while I was reading mordred's stuff: we need, fairly regularly, to read the guidelines as a body of work and make sure we rationalize it for modern times and added docs and the like | 16:34 |
| elmiko | cdent: +1 i like that intention | 16:34 |
| mordred | ++ | 16:35 |
| edleafe | cdent: oh, so you're handing out homework now? :) | 16:35 |
| elmiko | well, i'll need to read up on morded's proposals before i could comment (semi-)intelligently ;) | 16:35 |
| elmiko | it seems like a great direction to go though | 16:35 |
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| mordred | elmiko: the most contentious one is likely to be the third one in the stack, where I propose a completely new thing for clouds to deploy :) | 16:36 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:36 |
| elmiko | because that *always* goes over well | 16:37 |
| mordred | the first two should be fairly uncontroversial pending validation of their correctness | 16:37 |
| elmiko | ack, are the other 2 linked from the first? | 16:37 |
| mordred | yah | 16:37 |
| mordred | it's a stack | 16:37 |
| elmiko | cool, i will read it before the forum | 16:37 |
| cdent | of 5! | 16:37 |
| mordred | oh - actually, api-wg owns service-types-authority too, right? | 16:37 |
| elmiko | i'll have plenty of airplane time and conference time next week ;) | 16:38 |
| cdent | edleafe: yes, I'm handing out homework for all of us, because clearly none of us have enough to do | 16:38 |
| cdent | mordred: sort of | 16:38 |
| cdent | there's overlap | 16:38 |
| cdent | but not concurrency | 16:38 |
| mordred | cause this morning, based on a question from dtroyer, I added: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460539/ | 16:38 |
| mordred | (which cdent asked some excellent questions on) | 16:38 |
| cdent | they can probably be translated as "what was dtroyer's question?" | 16:39 |
| mordred | "how do we describe to people what to do about volumev2" | 16:39 |
| elmiko | huh, apparently i'm still core reviewer on service-types-authority | 16:39 |
| cdent | KILL IT WITH FIRE | 16:39 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:39 |
| * cdent apologizes for his outburst | 16:39 | |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460654/ is the consuming-version-discovery-process impact of that change | 16:39 |
| mordred | cdent: yah. so much agreement | 16:40 |
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| mordred | but it's again a thing that we have encoded in a few libraries, which makes it tribal-knowledge | 16:40 |
| mordred | and if we cna put it somewhere in something akin to official guidance of how to consume some of these resources | 16:40 |
| elmiko | i'm curious, how come you're moving away from libs in favor of rest? | 16:41 |
| mordred | it might be reasonable to expect peopel outside of our bubble to havea chance of navigating it properly | 16:41 |
| mordred | elmiko: the libs provide negative value | 16:41 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:41 |
| cdent | tshirt | 16:41 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:41 |
| mordred | elmiko: basically, they are thin verneers over REST, and hide some of the nicenes from the REST | 16:41 |
| elmiko | cdent: i would so wear that | 16:42 |
| mordred | but they introduce a giant pile of dependency issues | 16:42 |
| elmiko | right, that makes sense. i was just curious | 16:42 |
| mordred | so it's a huge amount of pain for no benefit | 16:42 |
| mordred | elmiko: it's a great question! I have learned from the process that the openstack rest apis are actually much better than I thought they were | 16:42 |
| elmiko | mordred: that's very cool and encouraging | 16:42 |
| mordred | and the things I was frustrated with were actually their representation in our python libs | 16:42 |
| elmiko | wow, that's really interesting | 16:43 |
| mordred | yah. it's _way_ clearer to consume the thing the devs actually expose :) | 16:43 |
| elmiko | heh | 16:43 |
| * cdent has been saying that from the start... | 16:43 | |
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| elmiko | although this does make me wistful that openapi doesn't fit the openstack world | 16:43 |
| cdent | ~15 minute warning | 16:44 |
| cdent | I think this week it is mordred that is passing out the homework, not me | 16:44 |
| elmiko | too true | 16:44 |
| mordred | :) | 16:44 |
| edleafe | cdent: you're just piling on :) | 16:44 |
| elmiko | although, on the topic of re-reading the docs from time to time. it seems like a great activity to plan for the api-wg "bug week" | 16:45 |
| mordred | well - honestly, I REALLY appreciate people reading these- the responses so far have been super helpful and we've made several improvements in them already | 16:45 |
| mordred | I do apologize for how complex the first one it - but also, that's the current state of the wrld | 16:45 |
| mordred | so - yay! | 16:45 |
| elmiko | no worries, i'll definitely take a gander | 16:46 |
| cdent | I think it's great stuff to have | 16:46 |
| edleafe | mordred: they are a royal pain to read, so I wouldn't read them if they weren't also really important | 16:46 |
| edleafe | so thanks for putting them together | 16:46 |
| cdent | Is there any additional business before we move on to managing the guidelines? | 16:46 |
| edleafe | move ahead! | 16:47 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 16:47 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:47 |
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| cdent | one frozen thing was defrosted and then refrozen, so that will make us ill, so don't eat it | 16:47 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:47 |
| cdent | the other two frozen things are good to merge, so I will, now | 16:47 |
| cdent | edleafe wins at stackalytics | 16:48 |
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| edleafe | cdent gets paid by LOC | 16:48 |
| cdent | nothing is ready to be frozen | 16:48 |
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| cdent | I get paid? | 16:49 |
| elmiko | ouch | 16:49 |
| cdent | monty's new stuff is grand, and will be announced in the newsletter | 16:49 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:49 |
| cdent | jroll's thing will be taken over by edleafe | 16:49 |
| cdent | sdague's microversion architecture thing is a long term wip | 16:50 |
| cdent | capabilities needs a new owner, but also might make more sense to abandon because we kind of killed it at the PTG | 16:50 |
| edleafe | #action edleafe to adopt jroll's patch | 16:50 |
| cdent | thoughts on what to do about capabilities? | 16:50 |
| edleafe | cdent: +1 on abandoning capabilities | 16:51 |
| cdent | roger that | 16:51 |
| * cdent does it | 16:51 | |
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| cdent | anything else about guidelines? | 16:52 |
| cdent | (note that I've been sloppy about #links through here because the newsletter will cover all that) | 16:53 |
| edleafe | yay sloppy! | 16:53 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:53 |
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| cdent | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:53 |
| cdent | nothing new | 16:54 |
| cdent | but also no progress on the existing bug. we should probably have a bug squash like elmiko said above | 16:54 |
| cdent | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:55 | |
| edleafe | Most are TODOs, so we can probably each take one | 16:55 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:55 |
| cdent | yes, it's really just a matter of doing them, not any real complexity | 16:55 |
| cdent | I guess i is proabably about my turn for the newsletter? | 16:55 |
| edleafe | I have to run right after the meeting, so would you mind doing the newsletter, cdent? | 16:55 |
| cdent | jinxish | 16:56 |
| edleafe | not-quite-jinx | 16:56 |
| edleafe | jinx ** 2 | 16:56 |
| * cdent explodes | 16:56 | |
| cdent | elmiko: will you be around in a bit for proofing ping? | 16:56 |
| elmiko | yes | 16:57 |
| cdent | cool, will do so | 16:57 |
| elmiko | heads up, i'm out next week. i'll try to make the meeting, but i will be at a conference so... | 16:57 |
| cdent | thanks for coming mordred and thanks for huge contributions, you are this weeks golden cookie recipient | 16:57 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:58 |
| elmiko | thanks mordred ! | 16:58 |
| cdent | and with that | 16:58 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 27 16:58:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-04-27-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-04-27-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-04-27-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| elmiko | thanks cdent ! | 16:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman annak igordcard: hi there | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 27 18:01:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| annak | hi! | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | main agenda today is thomas’ dual stack spec | 18:01 |
| tbachman | :) | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic IP v4, v6 dual-stack support proposal | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IP v4, v6 dual-stack support proposal (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| tbachman | annak: rkukura: SumitNaiksatam; thanks for the comments! | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/458583 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: np, rkukura deserves the majority :-) | 18:02 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack! | 18:02 |
| tbachman | FWIW, I’ve posted an updated version, based on the feedback/reviews | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: so you had rightly brought up the external segment | 18:02 |
| rkukura | more on there way ;) | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: oh okay | 18:02 |
| tbachman | rkukura: lol | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i thought you were done, i mean... | 18:03 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: yeah — I wasn’t sure whether or not to address that in this spec | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i was thinking it shoud be a part of this | 18:03 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: okay. I’ll add that in then | 18:03 |
| rkukura | just a couple nits, and maybe one needing fixing (so far) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i dont mean to prolong this, but i think it goes with this | 18:03 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: agreed | 18:03 |
| tbachman | sounds like I’ll need another iteration in any case ;) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: just kidding :-) thanks for the thorough review | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: do you feel comfortable with this? | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean the current iteration | 18:04 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: sure, i was just giving a different perspective | 18:05 |
| tbachman | annak: your point was very valid | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: +1 | 18:05 |
| annak | perhaps we can keep it in mind for future | 18:05 |
| tbachman | annak: definitely | 18:05 |
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| rkukura | I have one open issue with the proposed spec that maybe we could get consensus on here | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: with the proposed changes, do you feel you will be able to incorporate them in your driver? | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay go ahead, you first | 18:07 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: I think so | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: nice | 18:07 |
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| rkukura | after annak | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: the point of this exercise is to make sure that all drivers can support this | 18:07 |
| annak | I'm done :) | 18:07 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: otherwise we need to rethink | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: go ahead | 18:08 |
| rkukura | So I’ve been arguiing that IPv4 subnets should always be allocated with the L3P’s subnet_prefix_length, even if that is different than the default_prefixlen of the IPv4 subnetpool from which it is being allocated. | 18:08 |
| rkukura | I think this is important to allow the subnetpool (particularly for public addresses) to be widely shared - not everyone needs the same size subnets | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, i know we had a bit of discussion on this | 18:10 |
| rkukura | So my thinking is that subnet_prefix_length should be used if it is between the subnetpool’s min_prefixlen and max_prefixlen. | 18:10 |
| rkukura | It doesn’t seem this has been incorporated into the current draft, and some of the places where it says “subnet_prefix_length is ignored” would need updating. | 18:11 |
| tbachman | rkukura: what did you think of my change for the L3P’s subnet_prefix_length is None? | 18:11 |
| rkukura | Is that in the current draft tbachman ? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i do still maintain that that model is but complicated for the user to understand | 18:11 |
| * tbachman thinks | 18:11 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: however, if you thnk that it satisfies a use case which we cannot otherwise support, we can go with that | 18:12 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’m not trying to add complexity, and it might even make the model a bit more consistent | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, how so? | 18:12 |
| rkukura | Especially with the resource_mapping driver, tuning the subnet size may be important | 18:13 |
| tbachman | rkukura: looks like I left my addition out :( | 18:14 |
| tbachman | I’ll have to add that in | 18:14 |
| rkukura | It can be argued it would be more consistent if subnet_prefix_length is always used (if not None) when allocating IPv4 subnets is more consistent than sometimes using it during L3P creation, and sometimes completely ignoring it for IPv4 | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:15 |
| rkukura | I do like the idea of None meaning “ignore it” | 18:15 |
| tbachman | should there instead be an exception if the user’s provided a length that is outside the min/max ? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and why is it more important for the resource_mapping driver? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yes | 18:15 |
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| rkukura | I’m OK with either an exception when creating the L3P, or simply constraining the length by the subnetpool’s min and max when allocating from that pool. I think these subnetpool attributes are mutable. | 18:16 |
| annak | rkukura: could you perhaps give some concrete example of the use case where this is important? with examples of subnets | 18:17 |
| tbachman | rkukura: ack. That’s where it gets a bit trickier | 18:17 |
| rkukura | So even if it looks OK when creating the L3P, the subnet_prefix_length could be outside the range when the subnetpool is actually used. | 18:17 |
| rkukura | One option would be to ignore that subnetpool (allocation would fail I think) and move onto the next (if available) | 18:18 |
| rkukura | Do others agree that when a subnetpool (implicit or not) is widely shared between different L3Ps and non-GBP neutron code, tuning the subnet size at the L3P granularity is important? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so this is a case where multiple L3Ps map to the same/shared address-scope and subnetpool? | 18:20 |
| tbachman | rkukura: here you’re referring to the possibility of there being multiple subnets in the pool? | 18:20 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:20 |
| rkukura | tbachman: I was referring above to the case where the L3P has multiple subnetpools, if that’s what you mean. A subnetpool generally can allocate many subnets (even of different sizes) | 18:21 |
| tbachman | rkukura: right. We’re on the same page then | 18:21 |
| tbachman | My understanding was this was a possible use case where multiple projects supply their own pools | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: what you say makes sense in theory, but i am not familiar with a strong usecase requiring that (parding my ignorance here) | 18:22 |
| tbachman | (sorry — own subnets to the pool, not own pools) | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: of course, what you propose, is more flexible/granular | 18:22 |
| rkukura | The problem with lots of subnetpools is that public address space is a very scarce resource, so splitting into many pools, each only partially used, is very wasteful | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:23 |
| tbachman | rkukura: agreed with public. Not so much with private. | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: good point | 18:23 |
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| rkukura | I think its a better practice to widely share a single subnetpool (for public space at least) and allocate what’s needed, of the size needed, from it | 18:23 |
| tbachman | rkukura: that sounds like a good practice. I’m not familiar enough with use cases to know whether or not that’s the way this works with cloud providers | 18:24 |
| tbachman | (for private address space) | 18:24 |
| tbachman | I can see there being a need for the flexibility of the customer providing their addressing needs | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: it would have been ideal if the allocation was a little more predictable (for the user) | 18:25 |
| tbachman | (where “customer” would be a tenant) | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thats my recurring concern (but perhaps is trumped by the use requirement to provide the flexibility) | 18:26 |
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| tbachman | rkukura: I think you have a good point on being explicit of the behaviors here. I don’t believe my changes cover that well | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am wondering if there is a way we annotate which attribute was used to make the allocation? | 18:28 |
| rkukura | Should we let tbachman try to include this in the updated spec, and see if we think it is usable enough? | 18:28 |
| rkukura | If subnet_prefix_length is None, that means not to use it, and use the IPv4 subnetpool’s default_subnetlen instead. | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in my iteration of the spec i was achieving this by setting certain attributes to None | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah just saying that :-) | 18:29 |
| rkukura | So setting it None “annotates” that the user does not want it used ;) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right, yeah so if we can remove/reduce any ambiguity that way, it makes it a lot easier to consume | 18:30 |
| rkukura | I think we just need the first part of the spec to focus on how the subnetpools and address scopes get created and/or associated with the L3P. Then the next part describes he subnets are allocated. | 18:31 |
| rkukura | Not much change is needed - I have comments almost ready to post with most of them | 18:32 |
| tbachman | rkukura: SumitNaiksatam: I’ll wait for the review comments, then update the spec accordingly | 18:32 |
| tbachman | (along with what we’ve discussed here) | 18:32 |
| rkukura | sounds good | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay sure | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and tbachman thanks as well for shepherding this, it is pretty hairy | 18:34 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: np! Had a lot of help from the work you did, as well as the reviews and comments by rkukura, annak, and yourself! | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: rkukura: anything else you want to discuss on this? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:35 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: I think I’m good | 18:35 |
| rkukura | nothing else on the spec | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | want to highlight the work annak is doing in terms of bringing the project up to speed with neutron-lib | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: thanks | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | here is another one: | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:neutron_lib_db | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have anything else for today | 18:36 |
| rkukura | one quick question for annak on those patches | 18:37 |
| annak | rkukura: sure | 18:37 |
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| rkukura | for code that we plan to backport to stable/mitaka, will we need to edit the back-ports, or did these deprecations start in mitaka (or earlier)? | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: these are mostly newton and beyond | 18:38 |
| rkukura | I admit I haven’t looked yet | 18:38 |
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| rkukura | so we will need different code for mitaka vs. newer branches, OK | 18:39 |
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| rkukura | just wanted know what to expect | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: at this point i am not expecting mitaka backports for these | 18:39 |
| annak | I'm not sure, I think I started seeing deprecations in newton | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i mean most of them are not relevant for mitaka | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: right | 18:40 |
| rkukura | My point is simply that new code being written (for stable/newton compatibility) that avoids the deprecations may need modification when back-ported to stable/mitaka, if the new APIs were not in mitaka | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah backports to mitaka are becoming messy | 18:41 |
| annak | most of the changes are in imports, so its not that bad | 18:41 |
| annak | but not all | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: for instance, i am not backporting any of the notifications’ latest changes to mitaka | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: because not all of it is applicable | 18:41 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Sure, but I believe the IPv6 work tbachman and I are doing will need to be back-ported to mitaka | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, i hope its not messy! | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, lets wrap it up for today then! | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 18:43 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:43 |
| annak | thanks! bye | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 27 18:44:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-04-27-18.01.html | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-04-27-18.01.txt | 18:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-04-27-18.01.log.html | 18:44 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:44 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:44 |
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