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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 10 14:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims,dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero,haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot,crushil, rloo,rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar,therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 14:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 14:00 |
| crushil | \o | 14:00 |
| therve | Hi | 14:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 14:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| gcb | \o/ | 14:00 |
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| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:01 | |
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| amrith | nothing to report for trove | 14:01 |
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| jungleboyj | No red flags from Cinder. | 14:02 |
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| gcb | jungleboyj, I have a patch to fix periodic task for Cinder https://review.openstack.org/455152 , we recently merged https://review.openstack.org/328692 | 14:02 |
| gcb | thanks amrith | 14:03 |
| gcb | jungleboyj, hope we can merge it before we release new version of oslo.config | 14:03 |
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| jungleboyj | gcb: Ok, Thank you for the update. Let me take a look. | 14:04 |
| gcb | thanks jungleboyj | 14:04 |
| jungleboyj | gcb: Was that a red flag I missed? ;-) | 14:04 |
| gcb | jungleboyj, check http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-cinder-py27-with-oslo-master | 14:05 |
| shuyingya | o/ | 14:06 |
| * jungleboyj makes a note to start checking that page. :-) | 14:06 | |
| gcb | https://review.openstack.org/328692 will break Cinder once we release new version of oslo.config. It doesn't break Cinder now | 14:06 |
| gcb | shuyingya, welcome | 14:06 |
| gcb | I didn't find other failure in our periodic jobs | 14:06 |
| gcb | let's move on | 14:07 |
| gcb | #topic Releases for Pike | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Pike (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:07 | |
| gcb | #link https://review.openstack.org/455318 actually I would like to hold on until tomorrow | 14:08 |
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| gcb | we just merged some commits after today's periodic jobs, so let them pass tomorrow's periodic jobs and release | 14:09 |
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| gcb | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:09 | |
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| gcb | I have one to fix oslo.middleware gate failure in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453712/ | 14:10 |
| gcb | please help review when you're free | 14:11 |
| gcb | Does anyone have other stuck reivews ? :-) | 14:11 |
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| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:12 | |
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| gcb | so please raise if you have anything to talk | 14:13 |
| lhx_ | haha, I have just one | 14:13 |
| lhx_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454244/ | 14:13 |
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| lhx_ | thanks in advance for reviewing | 14:13 |
| gcb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454244/ should be reviewed by release management team , not oslo team lol | 14:14 |
| gcb | though Doug is in both of these two teams | 14:14 |
| gcb | lhx_ ^^ | 14:15 |
| lhx_ | right, lol | 14:15 |
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| lhx_ | someone in both sides can help | 14:15 |
| kgiusti | fyi - the boston forum schedule was posted | 14:16 |
| kgiusti | oslo dev/op feedback is on Weds 9am | 14:16 |
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| gcb | kgiusti, thanks, I didn't check that before | 14:16 |
| kgiusti | gcb: just hit my inbox :) | 14:17 |
| gcb | kgiusti, yeah, will check the details later, so please bring your new ideas, paint points there | 14:18 |
| lhx_ | gcb, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115174.html | 14:18 |
| gcb | I mean everyone, not just kgiusti lol | 14:18 |
| kgiusti | thanks lhx_! | 14:19 |
| gcb | lhx_, cool | 14:19 |
| lhx_ | kgiusti, gcb, with little effort, lol | 14:20 |
| gcb | s/paint/pain | 14:20 |
| gcb | any other ? | 14:21 |
| gcb | It seems a short meeting today | 14:22 |
| gcb | okay, thanks everyone | 14:23 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:24 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 10 14:24:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-04-10-14.00.html | 14:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-04-10-14.00.txt | 14:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-04-10-14.00.log.html | 14:24 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you. | 14:24 |
| lhx_ | Thanks :) | 14:24 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 10 15:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:00 |
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| d0ugal | hey! | 15:00 |
| toure | hello | 15:01 |
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| rakhmerov | hey | 15:01 |
| rbrady | hi | 15:01 |
| sharatss | Hi | 15:01 |
| rakhmerov | 1 sec.. | 15:01 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: hi | 15:01 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: I looked at the new BP you created, I think we'll need to split it into several smaller BPs | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | ok, mgershen won't join today, she's on holidays | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | let's start | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 15:03 | |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, ok. I will change it tomorrow | 15:03 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: leave it to me pls | 15:03 |
| rakhmerov | instead, try to get your patches merged this week | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | 1. d0ugal to check for doc liaison tasks | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:04 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, sure :) | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: is there any update on that? | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | it's not that important but anyway.. | 15:04 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: yeah, so they want us to add Mistral to the installer docs | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | most or all other projects are included in it - we are not yet :) | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, do you know details/guidelines on how to it? | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | Not yet, I just know it is something we should look into doing | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | ..how to do it.. | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | I wasn't sure where to track this work. | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/ocata/ | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok, then pls try to find out more | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | That is where we want to be included I think | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | Should I open a Mistral bug/blueprint for this? | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | yes, please | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | 2. mgershen: create a BP about "on-error" semantics | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | not done yet AFAIK | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | #action mgershen: create a BP about "on-error" semantics | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status (by team members) | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current Status (by team members) (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 15:07 | |
| rakhmerov | let's quickly share our updates | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-os-install-docs | 15:08 |
| rakhmerov | my status: last week I worked mostly on Java Mistral client for OpenStack4J (driven by internal tasks mostly) and advanced publishing (global, branch, atomic) | 15:08 |
| rakhmerov | the latter is mostly done, will try to finish this week | 15:08 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: thanks | 15:08 |
| d0ugal | I made a few documentation improvements - they need a second +2: https://review.openstack.org/453542 https://review.openstack.org/454058 https://review.openstack.org/454057 https://review.openstack.org/453543 | 15:09 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I tentatively assigned it to P-2 but we'll decide when to do it exactly later during planning | 15:09 |
| d0ugal | Otherwise I have been working on making an rpm package for mistral-lib and I am working on mistral-extra, but I've not done much of that yet. | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, Michal is on holidays this week so please try to ping other cores (kong, ddeja etc.) | 15:10 |
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| rakhmerov | you've created a good spec though, this is a good progress IMO | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady, toure, sharatss: what about you guys? | 15:11 |
| rbrady | I've done some reviews since last time, but have been otherwise engaged with work for other projects. | 15:11 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: so you started moving OpenStack actions into mistral-extra? | 15:11 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: ok | 15:11 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, i have been trying to fix all the dashboard bugs which were pending from long time | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: any progress on your brewery idea? :) | 15:12 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: yeah, I am trying to - that is why I asked for the mistral-lib release, without those parts it is hard :) | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: yeah, I saw, we'll try to merge them this week | 15:12 |
| thrash|bbl | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450853/ Looks like all comments have been addressed. | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | I'll ask people to review them | 15:13 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: I started rebuilding the main controller this weekend | 15:13 |
| thrash|bbl | Still working on using mod_wsgi in devstack. | 15:13 |
| toure | status: completed some reviews, working on the last bits of mistral engine changes for error analysis. | 15:13 |
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| rakhmerov | thrash|bbl: ok, I'll review it again tomorrow morning (your today's evening) | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: cool :) | 15:14 |
| toure | rakhmerov I took your suggestion and created a method to make calls into workflow_exec and task_exec inside db_api | 15:14 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 15:14 |
| toure | testing changes :) | 15:14 |
| rakhmerov | toure: is there anything from that's pending review now? | 15:14 |
| rakhmerov | ok, awesome :) | 15:14 |
| rakhmerov | ..from you.. | 15:15 |
| toure | once it doesn't blow up :) | 15:15 |
| toure | I have the client side up | 15:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:15 |
| * toure grabs review | 15:15 | |
| toure | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452901/ | 15:15 |
| rakhmerov | I mean please let us know once you post something new and we need to review it | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:16 |
| toure | will do | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | I'll look into this tomorrow morning too | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks for updates | 15:16 |
| toure | np | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | any roadblocks that you guys hit and need help maybe? | 15:17 |
| rakhmerov | thrash|bbl: how's that apache wsgi thing going? | 15:17 |
| rakhmerov | and could you pls tell a little bit what exactly you're planning to achieve | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | ? | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | ok, maybe later | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | let's move to the next topic | 15:19 |
| d0ugal | :) | 15:19 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Pike-1 progress | 15:19 |
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| d0ugal | I think the goal is to have a new gate that tests Mistal in a wsgi setup | 15:19 |
| rakhmerov | yes, but what tests are we supposed to run there, what DB etc. | 15:19 |
| rakhmerov | I kind of see the idea but would like to have more details | 15:20 |
| d0ugal | ah, I see | 15:20 |
| d0ugal | There is a patch for it, rbrady had the link earlier. | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | np, we can discuss that later | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | so, the page for P-1: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/pike-1 | 15:20 |
| rbrady | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454710/ | 15:20 |
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| d0ugal | rbrady: thanks. | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | I've gone through the list of tickets today and updated some of them but I'd like you to look at it too and make sure your tasks are updated | 15:21 |
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| rakhmerov | for example, rbrady, d0ugal: do you think we can close https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-actions-api-main-entities ? | 15:21 |
| rakhmerov | to me it seems like yes but I'd like to run with you | 15:22 |
| thrash | rakhmerov: The only coverage on apache wsgi is via the puppet jobs. I think it would be prudent to have both apache and non-apache devstack jobs. Once the initial part is done (which is the enabling of apache in the plugin) we can talk about how else to vary the jobs. | 15:22 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I would like to see the mistral-lib release happen first, but I don't mind if we close it first. | 15:22 |
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| rakhmerov | thrash: makes sense, I agree. I thought may be you already have a comprehensive plan (naive me) | 15:23 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: the work items in the BP suggest ensuring the mistral is using mistral-lib, but I don't have any objections to closing either | 15:23 |
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| thrash | rakhmerov: no comprehensive plan. Really just a means to an end ATM (running tempest on devstack with apache wsgi enabled) | 15:24 |
| rakhmerov | wait a sec, not sure that mistral-lib should be used | 15:24 |
| rakhmerov | it's just main entities in mistral-lib itself as far as I can tell | 15:24 |
| rakhmerov | thrash: ok | 15:24 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: what do you mean by "not sure that mistral-lib should be used"? | 15:24 |
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| rakhmerov | I mean IMO refactoring other components to use mistral-lib is out of this ticket scope | 15:26 |
| rakhmerov | I wasn't clear enough | 15:26 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: okay, fine with me | 15:26 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, so it's the first step towards getting the task fully implemented | 15:26 |
| rakhmerov | let's close it | 15:26 |
| rakhmerov | of course, we'll be making tons of changes moving forward anyway | 15:27 |
| d0ugal | yeah | 15:27 |
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| rakhmerov | on other things, d0ugal and toure: I know it might not be fair but how about creating separate BPs for specs related to your tasks (mistral-extra and workflow analysis) and moving existing BPs to P-2? | 15:28 |
| rakhmerov | I'm just thinking how to track this work better | 15:29 |
| rakhmerov | we've done work on these tasks but if we just move these BPs to the next milestone we'll not see a trace in LP | 15:29 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, toure: what do you think? | 15:29 |
| rakhmerov | I don't know, on the other hand it's kind of weird to create BPs for writing specs | 15:30 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:30 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I have done very little work other than the spec itself - so I don't think there is anything worth tracking for P-1. Moving the blueprint to P-2 seems easiest. | 15:30 |
| rakhmerov | then ok, let's do it | 15:30 |
| d0ugal | Indeed, I see a one to one relationship between blueprints and specs | 15:30 |
| rakhmerov | unless you make sure to finish it in P-1 | 15:30 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:30 |
| toure | rakhmerov sounds good to me | 15:31 |
| d0ugal | (there could be other dependant blueprints, but one main blueprint) | 15:31 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:31 |
| d0ugal | hah, I wont be finished for P-1! | 15:31 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, d0ugal, I now remember that this was our plan | 15:31 |
| rakhmerov | just to move it to the next milestone | 15:31 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:31 |
| toure | by sounds good, I mean moving it to p2 :) | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | got it | 15:32 |
| toure | s/mean/meant | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: did you happen to send another patchset for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-engine-commands-docs today? | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | as we talked | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | this one is a good candidate to be closed soon | 15:33 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: not yet, today has been a bit crazy for me. I'll do it soon. | 15:33 |
| d0ugal | Maybe right after this meeting :) | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | ok, np | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so, again: please try to finish hanging patches this week | 15:34 |
| rakhmerov | especially d0ugal and sharatss, you have a bunch of them ) | 15:34 |
| rakhmerov | I guess we just need to ask people for more reviews | 15:34 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 15:35 |
| d0ugal | We need more core reviewers :) | 15:35 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, we do need them | 15:35 |
| rakhmerov | it's a different topic though | 15:35 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 15:36 |
| rakhmerov | there's one more thing I'd like to discuss with you quickly | 15:36 |
| rakhmerov | I mentioned it last week briefly | 15:36 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Mistral Goals 2017 | 15:36 |
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| rakhmerov | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-goals-2017 | 15:37 |
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| rakhmerov | I created this etherpad based on our internal discussions on how we see project goals for Mistral that we want to achieve in 2017 | 15:37 |
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| rakhmerov | so, I spent time thinking about 3-4 goals that would make a difference for the project in general if we focus on them with the resources we have now | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | and here's what I came up with | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | you can omit "Definition of done" for now and just read quickly titles and descriptions | 15:39 |
| * d0ugal reads | 15:39 | |
| rakhmerov | basically, I think these goals reflect my vision of what's really missing now in Mistral | 15:40 |
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| rakhmerov | so IMO if we achieve them we'll be able to 1) attract more users 2) attract more contributors 3) extend use cases where Mistral can be used | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | and I'd add even one more: GUI | 15:41 |
| rakhmerov | but I believe it'll go to the next year :) | 15:41 |
| rakhmerov | especially, I'd say the two most important ones: Custom Actions API and Documentation | 15:41 |
| rakhmerov | these two IMO should make Mistral more like a good product | 15:42 |
| * toure reads | 15:42 | |
| rakhmerov | on docs, we see lots of people coming to IRC and asking questions that they could read in docs but what they are looking for is not there pretty often | 15:42 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: so you want to make workflows 50% faster? | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | also, even when it becomes comprehensive it's not structured well and there are not many examples and tutorials (almost none) | 15:43 |
| d0ugal | is that the goal for number 3? | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes | 15:43 |
| d0ugal | k, just checking I read it correctly | 15:43 |
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| d0ugal | Sounds good. | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: believe it or not the current Mistral performance is not really OK still for our internal purposes | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | and not only ours | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, 50% seems achievable | 15:44 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: oh, I believe it :) I've noticed it being quite slow at some things, but my main use-case it IO bound anyway, so speed isn't a huge issue for us. | 15:44 |
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| rakhmerov | and I know where to gain that extra performance | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I know | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | for you maybe, but for us and some other folks it's an issue | 15:45 |
| d0ugal | Those goals sound good to me. | 15:45 |
| rakhmerov | although it got much much better last year | 15:45 |
| rakhmerov | ~50-70 times | 15:45 |
| d0ugal | I would really like to improve the "on-boarding" expierence for new users - I think documentation improvements and the new custom actions API will make a huge difference here | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, Custom Actions API, in my opinion, will give a clear way to extend Mistral actions | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | which is missing now too | 15:46 |
| d0ugal | but that is my personal goal, so I am particularly interested in #2 and #4 :) | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: exactly, that's what I have in mind | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | you got it | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | it's my personal goal too | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | I think we as a project are suffering a lot from this | 15:47 |
| rbrady | is there a priority to these goals? | 15:47 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, d0ugal, what you've been doing in your blog could be a part of this work I believe | 15:47 |
| rakhmerov | in fact, it already is | 15:47 |
| toure | +Docs :) | 15:47 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: hm.. good question | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | I think Documentation and Actions API | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | top 2 | 15:48 |
| d0ugal | The funny thing is, I am really bad at writing, but I'll try and do more (and slowly improve) :) | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | that's ok | 15:48 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, seems like Nokia is ready to give tech writers for this purpose | 15:49 |
| d0ugal | Great | 15:49 |
| rakhmerov | but I'm not sure yet | 15:49 |
| rakhmerov | anyway we'll need to help them with ideas/materials | 15:49 |
| rakhmerov | rough materials | 15:49 |
| d0ugal | I wonder if we have anyone that could help. I should ask. | 15:49 |
| rbrady | d0ugal: rain | 15:49 |
| rbrady | d0ugal: rleander I think | 15:49 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: what you said is actually even a simpler form of what I want to do: "Easy Mistral contributor and user onboarding" | 15:50 |
| rakhmerov | not it's not easy, we need to admit | 15:50 |
| d0ugal | rbrady: true, there are quite a few people. Maybe I should have said ... s/could help/has time to help/ :) | 15:50 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as multi-node mode, there's a lot of things too but that's important for those who want high-availability and even greater performance | 15:51 |
| rakhmerov | like us | 15:51 |
| rakhmerov | and at least slowly we need to be moving in this direction | 15:52 |
| rakhmerov | so, that's what I suggest we accept as project goals for this year kind of semi-officially | 15:52 |
| rakhmerov | for our team | 15:52 |
| rakhmerov | and that could be our bacon in the darkness when we need to make decisions | 15:53 |
| rakhmerov | please take more time to review this list and leave your comments/suggestions, after that we can move these goals to WIKI (or somewhere else) so we could reference them if needed | 15:54 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: that needs to be an official mistral shirt: "bacon in the darkness" | 15:54 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, :)) | 15:54 |
| d0ugal | LOL | 15:54 |
| d0ugal | yum | 15:54 |
| rakhmerov | I like poetry ) | 15:54 |
| toure | :) | 15:54 |
| rakhmerov | If I get sick of programming (really possible ;) ) I'll be writing poems | 15:55 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I would put them somewhere more visible - Mistral readme or a special spec? | 15:55 |
| rakhmerov | I believe I even write code like poems sometimes.. :) | 15:55 |
| d0ugal | I would read more poetry if it was about bacon :) | 15:55 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, that's what I'm thinking too | 15:56 |
| toure | hehe | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | beacon!!!!! | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | gosh | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | just realized why it was so funny for you :) | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | haha | 15:56 |
| d0ugal | lol | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | but yeah, "bacon" would be phenomenal! | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | lol | 15:57 |
| toure | lol | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | :)))) | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | ok, d0ugal: do you think README? | 15:57 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: yeah, I think that would be good | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: let's think about it more | 15:57 |
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| d0ugal | I don't like the wiki :) | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, we almost don't use it now actually | 15:58 |
| toure | yeah wiki's tend to go stale | 15:58 |
| rakhmerov | we used to but not anymore | 15:58 |
| d0ugal | I always forget it exists | 15:58 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 15:58 |
| rakhmerov | ok, README probaly | 15:58 |
| rakhmerov | or mistral-specs somewhere maybe | 15:58 |
| rakhmerov | or/and | 15:58 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let me take care of that | 15:58 |
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| rakhmerov | so, time to finish | 15:59 |
| rakhmerov | thanks everyone for joining | 15:59 |
| rakhmerov | it was fun | 15:59 |
| d0ugal | thanks! | 15:59 |
| toure | thanks,have a great week... | 15:59 |
| rakhmerov | especially "bacon in the darkness" :) | 15:59 |
| thrash | thanks o/ | 15:59 |
| toure | :) | 15:59 |
| rakhmerov | bye! | 15:59 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 10 15:59:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-04-10-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| rbrady | bye | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-04-10-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-04-10-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| rakhmerov | have a good week | 15:59 |
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| dtantsur | anyone up for an ironic meeting? :) | 16:59 |
| xavierr | o/ | 16:59 |
| ricardoas | o/ | 16:59 |
| mariojv | o/ | 16:59 |
| thomasem | o/ | 16:59 |
| mrtenio | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| mjturek | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 10 17:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| lee4 | o/ | 17:00 |
| fellypefca | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
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| sauloaislan | o/ | 17:00 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| crushil | \o | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | Hi everyone! | 17:00 |
| rloo | howdy | 17:00 |
| milan | o/ | 17:00 |
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| dtantsur | our agenda (quite light) is as usual at: | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
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| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 17:01 |
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| alezil | I/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #info Boston Forum schedule was published | 17:02 |
| jroll | \o | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | (with some mistakes to be corrected, apparently) | 17:02 |
| sambetts | o/ o/ | 17:02 |
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| nicodemos | o/ | 17:02 |
| soliosg | o/ | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | I don't have other announcements. Anyone? | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | ah, hmm | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | #info dtantsur is on PTO starting from Fri, Apr 14. Back on Mon, Apr 24 | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | yes, again :) | 17:03 |
| jroll | woohoo | 17:03 |
| milan | :) | 17:03 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wow, lucky you! | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | I think a few more folks are going to be out the same week, right? TheJulia at least | 17:03 |
| jroll | I'll be out tues-thurs this week, btw | 17:04 |
| jroll | julia as well | 17:04 |
| jroll | (leadership training) | 17:04 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | thanks! let's keep it in mind when defining priorities for the coming weeks | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | #info a suggestion for a virtual meetup: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-virtual-meetup | 17:04 |
| rloo | jroll: would you chair next Mon's meeting? | 17:04 |
| rloo | jroll: please :) | 17:05 |
| jroll | rloo: sure, why not | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | thanks jroll! | 17:05 |
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| * rloo going to see if there is any diff with jroll's leadership... | 17:05 | |
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| jroll | 3 cycles of history not enough? :P | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | hah, rloo is already preparing for the next elections :) | 17:06 |
| rloo | jroll: but the leadership course...!! | 17:06 |
| jroll | oh, that | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | ah, yeah. fair :) | 17:06 |
| jroll | I've been once already, I'm helping connect dots | 17:06 |
| rloo | :) | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | please have one in EU, and I'll attend. otherwise you'll have to live with my terrible leadership for some more time :-P | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | anyway, another request to take a look at the virtual meetup proposal: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-virtual-meetup | 17:07 |
| rloo | wrt virtual meetup. with dtantsur and TheJulia gone next week. Am wondering whether we should punt it another week. | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | rloo, it's proposed for week of Apr 24 | 17:07 |
| joanna | o/ | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | as it was suggested on the previous meeting | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: right, you and TheJulia will have just come back. will you be prepared to participate? | 17:07 |
| TheJulia | I will be | 17:07 |
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| dtantsur | always prepared :) I'm not going anywhere, just hanging out here in Brno | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | trying to reduce stress by examining the nearby bars | 17:08 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: That sounds like an awesome plan | 17:08 |
| milan | dtantsur, +2000 | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | we can get back to the meetup topic in the open discussion. any other announcements? | 17:08 |
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| * milan announces lack of sleep :P | 17:09 | |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:09 | |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | starting with line 75 | 17:10 |
| rloo | (oh, was it last week that we did an ironic release?) | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | yeah, probably | 17:10 |
| jroll | yes, april 5 | 17:10 |
| jroll | 8.0.0 specifically | 17:11 |
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| JayF | Only three more major releases and we'll be better than windows! /s | 17:11 |
| rloo | JayF: huh, aren't we better already? | 17:11 |
| JayF | rloo: Windows is 10, we're only 8! | 17:11 |
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| dtantsur | Firefox is 52.. | 17:12 |
| xavierr | lol | 17:12 |
| rloo | JayF: but we're better, regardless ;) | 17:12 |
| mrtenio | rloo, agreed | 17:12 |
| JayF | I was joking, obviously :) | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | "jroll promises to look at this week of march 27" I wonder if he did ;) | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | (line 154) | 17:12 |
| jroll | damn, no I did not | 17:12 |
| * jroll bumps on todo list, sorry | 17:13 | |
| dtantsur | rolling upgrades: "make a change to the grenade job to only upgrade conductor" (from the priority list) | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | was it done? | 17:14 |
| rloo | jroll: related to last week and these priorities. you were going to review the nova stuff to see if there is anything we need to do b4 nova's feature proposal freeze | 17:14 |
| jroll | rloo: yes, I instead did paperwork all week. I've got it docketed for today | 17:15 |
| * jroll hasn't had much time for upstream, sorry | 17:15 | |
| rloo | vdrok: ^^ do you know what the status is with multi-node grenade testing changes? | 17:15 |
| rloo | jroll: ok, i'll try to remember to ask next week :) | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | 2 more minutes to review the statuses | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | done reviewing? | 17:19 |
| rloo | yuppers | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:19 |
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| dtantsur | I'm inclined to leave it as it is now (with moving BFV to next patches) | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | what are your thoughts? | 17:20 |
| jroll | fine with me | 17:20 |
| rloo | +1 | 17:20 |
| joanna | + | 17:20 |
| JayF | ++ | 17:20 |
| mariojv | ++ | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | good | 17:21 |
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| dtantsur | before we move on. who was leading the bug triage previously and who wants to? | 17:21 |
| * dtantsur thinks we should also start fixing bugs, not only triaging.. | 17:21 | |
| * jroll looks back | 17:22 | |
| JayF | I don't know who was doing it before, but I can take it this week if there are no volutneers | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | awesome! thanks JayF | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | #info JayF to help with bug triaging this week | 17:22 |
| jroll | I think we missed it last week | 17:22 |
| jroll | was TheJulia and vdrok previously | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | yeah, my bad. was just out of PTO :) | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | #topic #Trello fate | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "#Trello fate (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:23 | |
| dtantsur | wut? | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | #undo | 17:23 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic #Trello fate | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | #topic Trello fate | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Trello fate (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:23 | |
| dtantsur | looks good now :) rloo, your turn | 17:23 |
| rloo | well, dtantsur brought it up at a previous meeting. we had been using trello. do we want to continue? | 17:24 |
| * jroll pulls out a knife | 17:24 | |
| * jroll waits for the kill word | 17:24 | |
| rloo | trello hasn't been updated so if no one will volunteer to use it, i think we should NOT | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | I'm very pleased with how we track things on the etherpad | 17:24 |
| rloo | i mean, volunteer to update it | 17:24 |
| rloo | so might be easiest to ask: does anyone want to continue using trello? | 17:24 |
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| jroll | we've been asking about it for weeks, nobody has stood up and said they want it, afaik | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | I think somebody wanted it on the previous meeting.. but I'm not sure | 17:25 |
| rloo | ok, let's get rid of it. fwiw, the etherpad doesn't cover stuff that used to be i trello. trello had links to nova patches and ironic patches. | 17:25 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i wanted it cuz i found it useful, but only if it is keep up to date. | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | rloo, 1-2 gerrit topics should cover it | 17:26 |
| jroll | any reason the etherpad doesn't? I feel like it should | 17:26 |
| rloo | no reason tht the etherpad cannot. i'm just not sure it does have that info. | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | let's just add all related topics to subteam items on the etherpad | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | anyone wants to? otherwise I can do it | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | #agreed abandon our Trello board in favor of the WhiteBoard | 17:27 |
| rloo | dtantsur: while you're at it, i'm not sure cuz it has been a while, but trello had some projects that weren't completed that I don't think are in our priorities. if taht's the case, would you please make sure there are bugs open for those? | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | rloo, sure | 17:28 |
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| rloo | thx dtantsur | 17:28 |
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| dtantsur | #action dtantsur to move all useful information from Trello to the WhiteBoard or Launchpad (for non-priorities) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | anything else here? | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | ok, before we jump into open discussions | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | #topic Virtual meetup | 17:29 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-virtual-meetup | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | if it does happen on the week of Apr 24, I need to organize it *this* week. or I need somebody to organize it the next week. | 17:30 |
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| jroll | what all needs to be organized? time/place/? | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | I suggest to start with a doodle for specific dates | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | then getting a conference number (or how was it called?) | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | actually, we can try using my bluejeans, they work with latest FF and Chrome without plugins | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | but I can't promise :) so we'd better have SIP as a backup | 17:31 |
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| dtantsur | and finally, to announce the details on the ML | 17:31 |
| rloo | i thought we used something that openstack provided. that stopped working during the meetup | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | ++ to SIP backup! | 17:31 |
| * jroll wonders if there's anyone that will refuse to / cannot use bluejeans | 17:32 | |
| dtantsur | rloo, this is what I just call SIP | 17:32 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ah. | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | jroll, it probably involves non-free javascript, so there may be | 17:32 |
| jroll | dtantsur: right, also curious if it's reachable from china etc | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | I think I had meetings with folks from China, but the point is still valid | 17:32 |
| jroll | anyway, openstack SIP is always open, so that's an easy backup | 17:32 |
| JayF | I'll say that personally, I find it extremely difficult to understand what folks are saying without an accompanying video to lip read from | 17:32 |
| JayF | but I understand if folks freedom-concerns prevent that | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | JayF++ | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | fwiw I think you can call into bluejeans from a phone | 17:33 |
| rloo | well, i guess that's why we have PTG | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | which is of course completely free and open source ;) | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | (the phone, I mean) | 17:33 |
| jroll | hah | 17:33 |
| rloo | do we have an idea of how many days/hours? | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | jroll, should we reserve something in OpenStack SIP for specific days? | 17:34 |
| jroll | dtantsur: there's no reservation system, afaik | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | rloo, so, my idea was: two slots in one day to accommodate different timezones | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | similar to the midcycle | 17:34 |
| jroll | dtantsur: this would be the closest thing to reservations https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints | 17:34 |
| rloo | oh my, this was the previous midcycle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-midcycle | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | so, back to planning, ideally if I can create the doodle this week, the next week somebody makes it official | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | but I can rush everything in this week, if there are no volunteers | 17:35 |
| * jroll doesn't want to promise anything right now, hopes someone steps up to coordinate | 17:36 | |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints | 17:36 |
| rloo | do we really want a midcycle? i'm half joking. just looking at the previous one and what we have gotten accomplished since then... | 17:36 |
| mariojv | git clone https://git.openstack.org/openstack-dev/devstack.git devstack | 17:37 |
| mariojv | whoops, sorry | 17:37 |
| thomasem | lol | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | mariojv, access denied ;) | 17:37 |
| rloo | am wondering whether we should 'just' have days/times, regardless of what week, to *do* something | 17:37 |
| * jroll wonders if rloo is implying we haven't done much since, or have and so we don't need them | 17:37 | |
| dtantsur | rloo, I was thinking into breaking the midcycle into such smaller sprints. and I want to have the first happening before I can suggest do it regularly | 17:37 |
| rloo | i mean, just pick feature X, prepare, and meet at <whenever> and do it. | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | planning is hard though: timezones, other meeting, etc | 17:38 |
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| rloo | if sprints work for folks then that is fine. i was just wondering if it might work better if we just say, eg. rescue is there, we want to just sit down and go over it. or spec Foo is there, lets just meet and go over it... | 17:39 |
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| rloo | so eg, etags spec looks like it is almost there. let's just meet this week at .. and get it done. | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | this is a bit different think, I suspect | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | in your etags example, we only need cores and the author | 17:40 |
| joanna | rloo: something like regular spec review meeting with specific timeslot and list of specs? | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | this can indeed just happen one day this week | 17:40 |
| JayF | I like rloo's example, honestly | 17:40 |
| rloo | dtantsur: well, i was looking at your #2 in the meetup. what are we going to accomplish there? | 17:40 |
| JayF | and it mirrors some stuff we've done before with some features, i.e. a couple of weeks ago mario, annie, anup and I met and worked on rescue for a couple of hours | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | rloo, something close to what you suggest, I guess | 17:40 |
| jroll | I believe we had a similar conversation when dtantsur originally proposed this. and agreed we should do targeted meetups like rloo mentioned, *and* occassional syncups like dtantsur proposed. am I remembering this wrong/ | 17:41 |
| rloo | dtantsur: of those things listed in the meetup, i would be only interested in #3. | 17:41 |
| jroll | s/\//?/ | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | jroll, I thought the same | 17:42 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i think it'd be great if we could do 1, 2 in a diff way. | 17:42 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i was hoping that our weekly meetings could address 1 | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | rloo, my point is, such meetup can collect bigger audience (e.g. our QE got interested when I talked about my proposal last week) | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | for the benefit of people who don't attend every meeting we have | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | 3rdparty CI conversation will attract specific audience who is not necessary here | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | but dunno. I agree with jroll, we should have both | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | and I think targeted meetups do not have to be driven by the PTL ;) | 17:43 |
| jroll | ++ | 17:43 |
| jroll | if people aren't interested in the 'midcycle' topics, they don't need to join | 17:44 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i'm fine if others want to have this meetup and will get something from it. and i agree the 3rd party ci will be a useful meeting to have. | 17:44 |
| jroll | let's give it a shot | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | ok, so I'll start with a doodle | 17:44 |
| jroll | (or those people can add more topics, of course) :) | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | as I don't see volunteers for organizing it, the deadline for the doodle will be Friday | 17:45 |
| jroll | dtantsur: thanks for doing that | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | we'll use SIP, but we can also experiment with Bluejeans, if folks will feel like. co-ordination through our regular channel. any other thoughts? | 17:45 |
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| dtantsur | I'm ready to move on. And you? :) | 17:46 |
| * jroll is | 17:47 | |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:47 |
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| ricardoas | hey, I've got an issue to share regarding oneview drivers :) | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | sure | 17:48 |
| xavierr | hey ironic, we from oneview have a patch where we are discussing about non-persistent boot in our drivers we want your opinion if our idea for implement that is fair. suggestions are welcome! link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436469/ | 17:48 |
| ricardoas | we'd love to replace python-oneviewclient (and deprecated it) by hpOneView, it's been more actively maintained and supporting newer oneview api versions and we are already using it at oneview ml2 driver | 17:48 |
| rloo | want opinion on whether to show driver 'type' column in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419274/ | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | rloo, in driver-list or driver-show? | 17:48 |
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| ricardoas | but we need some advice on what to do with specific validations like the ones at https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/oneview/common.py#L150 | 17:49 |
| mariojv | rloo: oh, this is that microversion inconsistency topic? | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | ricardoas, what's the problem with that? | 17:49 |
| ricardoas | our best guess is to move it upstream, wdyt? | 17:49 |
| rloo | mariojv: yeah. | 17:49 |
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| dtantsur | ricardoas, "move it upstream" gets my support any day :) | 17:49 |
| soliosg | One item here. Wonder if we could bring forward 'move ironic tempest plugin to the new repository' task | 17:50 |
| ricardoas | dtantsur, i've talked with some of you during the week and it was suggested to raise it here... so just checking if it is ok to move this validations upstream | 17:50 |
| rloo | dtantsur: in driver_list | 17:50 |
| ricardoas | dtantsur: \o/ | 17:50 |
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| mariojv | rloo: i think it should be consistent with what driver show does | 17:50 |
| soliosg | I did some initial work, porting patches from ironic/ironic_tempest_plugin to the new repo | 17:50 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: in driver_show, it will show 'type' with no value, but it is in a row. in driver_list, 'type' will be a column with nothing in it. | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | rloo, hmm, in list. I suspect the answer is "no, because of microversions", right? | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | right | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I suggest we don't show it. I hope the day will come when all drivers are new-style. | 17:51 |
| mariojv | rloo: but if it's a huge refactor to get it hidden or something, i might be ok with the small inconsistency | 17:51 |
| soliosg | They're still waiting for review. I think cores could review & approve. The real review would be when making changes to project config and devstack-gate | 17:51 |
| rloo | so the right way, is not to show info that isn't avail in a microversion but we didn't do that for information. to date, that info is usually some field, so it shows up as a row in eg <resource>-show. | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | soliosg, thanks! this is one thing I constantly forget about. We have to freeze our tempest plugin and start merging the patches. | 17:51 |
| rloo | this list one is the first time (I think) the info is a column. | 17:52 |
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| mariojv | also here are some links illustrating the issue in case anyone has trouble visualizing this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/603982/ vs http://paste.openstack.org/show/603983/ | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | soliosg, with project-config and devstack-gate, I think you can rely on help of #openstack-qa and mtreinish personally :) they are very keen on projects moving to branchless plugins. | 17:52 |
| ricardoas | regarding this patch that xavierr pasted... i think we should just store something at the node internal info to warn the boot change function that the next operation will be non persistent. Any better idea, folks? :D | 17:52 |
| soliosg | dtantsur: yes, also jlvillal_pto has provided great support! | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | rloo, why do we need to show this column at all? | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | dstanek: heh, actually both project-config and devstack-gate are the domain of -infra. I'll gladly look and review patches, but I don't have the big rubber stamp on either :) | 17:53 |
| rloo | dtantsur: well, that is a good question. it isn't a need. do we want to or not? | 17:53 |
| mariojv | dtantsur: i suppose we don't, but then we'd be not exposing something potentially useful returned by the api | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | mtreinish, yeah, I specifically mean "look and review" part | 17:53 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: with the driver stuff, i think it is in the spec that driver-list shows the type. | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | rloo, mariojv, I hope one day all drivers are new-style, and this "Type" column will be always-true | 17:54 |
| mariojv | oh, i see your point | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | even worse, if we remove it in one microversion, then this column will have to go away too.. | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | rloo, how many times have we amended this spec already? one more won't hurt :) | 17:55 |
| rloo | dtantsur: I'm fine with amending the spec. we just need to decide. (and i wanted a decision before i reviewed more). | 17:55 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: keep in mind, the API is returning 'type' . | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | yeah, but we don't have to expose everything in a list CLI call | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | especially when we have reasons to believe that it will become redundant one day | 17:56 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: that is true. i'm fine with that. so no type in CLI except in show or if we add 'filter'ing on driver-list... | 17:56 |
| ricardoas | dtantsur: if there is some time left, i'd like to talk about this patch too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408298/ | 17:56 |
| mariojv | i think that's reasonable for now | 17:57 |
| rloo | dtantsur: or if driver-list --detail is specified. i think we have --detail... | 17:57 |
| ricardoas | (and everyone else...) | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | rloo, ++ | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | *Two (2) minutes to go* | 17:57 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok, no one is in disagreement, so i'll convey the news to the author of the patch :) | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | rloo, thanks! good point to raise indeed, the author of the driver composition spec clearly did not think about it ;) | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | I suggest we move the discussion of the specific patches to the channel, if you don't mind | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | ricardoas, ^^^ | 17:59 |
| rloo | dtantsur: can't expect the author of the spec to think about everything. but we're close to the finish line now :) | 17:59 |
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| ricardoas | ok :) | 17:59 |
| ricardoas | no problem | 17:59 |
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| dtantsur | #agreed Do not expose "Type" column in the output of driver-list without --detail | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
| mariojv | ty | 18:00 |
| joanna | thanks :) | 18:00 |
| soliosg | thanks all | 18:00 |
| milan | o/ | 18:00 |
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| ricardoas | thanks! | 18:00 |
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| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 10 18:00:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-04-10-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-04-10-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-04-10-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| aNuposic | thanks :) | 18:00 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 10 20:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 20:00 |
| mrmartin | o/ | 20:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 20:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 20:00 |
| ildikov | ping bauzas, jaypipes | 20:00 |
| skelso | o/ | 20:00 |
| blancos | o/ | 20:01 |
| kmARC | o/ | 20:01 |
| ildikov | hi all :) | 20:01 |
| ildikov | thanks to diablo_rojo we have a pretty good agenda for today | 20:02 |
| ildikov | so let's dive into it! :) | 20:02 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, ha ha thanks :) | 20:02 |
| ildikov | #topic Announcements | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:02 | |
| diablo_rojo | I do love organization.. | 20:02 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: :) | 20:02 |
| ildikov | so it's only 4 weeks until the next training!!! | 20:03 |
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| ildikov | which means that we would like to further encourage all of you to look into the material and help us update and improve it | 20:03 |
| ildikov | #info We have 39 registered students so far | 20:04 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 20:04 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: So I spent time going through the slides today and had ideas. Do you want me to just start pushing up reivews? | 20:04 |
| ildikov | we will look into their areas of interest and will reach out to people in the project teams if we don't have the coverage yet | 20:04 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, yes please :) | 20:05 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok. Will do. | 20:05 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: yep, that would be great :) | 20:05 |
| mlavalle | ildikov: do we know already what projects are they interested on? I'm trying to get a feel as to how many of them I can expect in the Neutron on-boarding room | 20:05 |
| spotz | Hey all | 20:05 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, once we get access to the rsvp data we will know what projects to get reps from | 20:05 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: we have only the numbers for today and as diablo_rojo said we will pull the data too and let you know | 20:06 |
| jungleboyj | I did just push up changes to official-projects slides. Let me know what you all think. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455436/1/doc/upstream-training/source/slides/howitsmade-official-projects.rst | 20:06 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: we asked for their interest, so we should know shortly | 20:06 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: cool, tnx | 20:06 |
| mlavalle | diablo_rojo:, ildikov: ok, I've been working on the presentation / practices for the Neutron on-boarding room. I hope it is not wasted effort | 20:07 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, shouldn't be :) | 20:07 |
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| ildikov | mlavalle: the on boarding room is open for anyone to participate, so the training attendees just a subset | 20:07 |
| mlavalle | ildikov: ahh, that's good | 20:08 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: and having that information collected and organized into a presentation is never a wasted effort! :) | 20:08 |
| diablo_rojo | We should make sure to mention the onboarding rooms towards the end of the training as next steps for students | 20:08 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:08 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:08 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: do we have anything else to announce today? | 20:09 |
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| mlavalle | ildikov, diablo_rojo: also, even though I cannot not be there for the whole training, I will arrive at Boston at noon, Sunday. So I'll do my best to join you guys in the afternoon | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, nope, that's it I think | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, We will take whatever help we can get :) | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, did you note that in the wiki? | 20:10 |
| mlavalle | diablo_rojo: about to do it right now :-) | 20:10 |
| mlavalle | diablo_rojo: you read my mind | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, much appreciated | 20:10 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: thanks for letting us know and thanks for joining even for that short time | 20:10 |
| ildikov | ok, let's move on | 20:11 |
| ildikov | #topic Open Reviews | 20:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Reviews (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:11 | |
| ildikov | business as usual you can find the open reviews here: | 20:12 |
| ildikov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides | 20:12 |
| diablo_rojo | We have two right now. Mine and Jay's. | 20:12 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:12 |
| ildikov | is there anything we should discuss about those two here? | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Please review? :) | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | That's all. | 20:13 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: +1 :) | 20:13 |
| ildikov | #topic Topics | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:13 | |
| jungleboyj | I hope my changes are ok. Just shortened it up and have exercises to find some more info. | 20:13 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: sounds good! | 20:13 |
| ildikov | ok, let's continue to go through what we have in the current material | 20:14 |
| ildikov | next one is Registration and Accounts | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | I had a question here. Is there a separate account that will be needed to storyboard? | 20:15 |
| ildikov | #link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/workflow-reg-and-accounts.html#1 | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, looks good so far. Got some small nits, but it looks like a big improvement to me. | 20:15 |
| jungleboyj | Or is that not something we want to introduce yet? | 20:16 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Thank you. :-) | 20:16 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, we will need to talk about storyboard- its on my todo list, but there arent any new accounts you need cause it uses openstackid | 20:16 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok cool. Yeah, I don't know that we need to make a long talk on storyboard yet but good to mention it is coming. | 20:17 |
| ildikov | so require Foundation registration now for signing up to the training | 20:17 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Did your presentation get accepted on that? | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, +1 | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | yes it did | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | :) | 20:17 |
| jungleboyj | Good. | 20:17 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Ok, so that is going to shorted up this slide deck quite a bit. | 20:18 |
| skelso | Foundation registration also drives the contributor agreement? I'd like to give folks a chance to review before arriving. | 20:18 |
| jungleboyj | *shorten | 20:18 |
| ildikov | in this sense we can remove the Foundation registration part maybe leave there a note that people need to be Foundation members and not community members there | 20:18 |
| skelso | Because sometimes they have to have a lawyer look at it before they can sign. | 20:19 |
| ildikov | skelso: that's different, you need to sign that one on Gerrit | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 | 20:19 |
| ildikov | skelso: but good point to give people a heads up before they come to the training | 20:19 |
| skelso | Ah, okay, thanks. | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I thought we were going to try to have people look at/sign the CLA before coming to the training? | 20:19 |
| spotz | skelso that's why we put up the pre-requisites for the Git and Gerrit session we ran into that in Tokyo where they couldn't sign | 20:19 |
| skelso | Cool. | 20:19 |
| ildikov | spotz: we ran into that in Barcelona too | 20:20 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Do we have any way to track/enforce people doing that work beforehand? | 20:20 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I'm sure we could, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort, or at least we didn't have that many in Barcelona who couldn't sign | 20:21 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: so I would think giving a heads up about it should be fine | 20:21 |
| skelso | Seems right to me. | 20:21 |
| spotz | We could ask people as they come in and help those who don't have logins as everyone settles in | 20:21 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Cool. | 20:22 |
| ildikov | spotz: we have a short slot dedicated | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | We can make sure the prereqs get stressed in the email we will send out shortly before the training to also confirm attendance | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, +1 | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | I wasn't so much concerned with the signing as with people doing the pre-reqs in general so we don't have a few people holding up the group. | 20:23 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: +2 | 20:23 |
| ildikov | spotz: we only need an exercise to the end that ensures they really did the steps as it always turns out at the part when they try to upload a patch that some of them still failed with some steps... | 20:23 |
| spotz | ildikov: True | 20:23 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, right, we can check some of the things, like if they have signed the CLA, but knowing if they have the vm image ready...that we can't do. | 20:24 |
| mlavalle | diablo_rojo, ildikov: since in the on-boarding room we may get people who didn't attend the training, could it be mentioned in the sesssion description to install the VM to be used in the training. I am assuming attendees will have the VM | 20:24 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: we started with that in Barcelona and it went pretty well | 20:24 |
| * mlavalle is not sure he was clear enough | 20:25 | |
| diablo_rojo | We can have the prereqes posted on the board while people are trickling in and people wandering around seeing if people have them done/need help. | 20:25 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that is good. | 20:25 |
| skelso | diablo_rojo +1 | 20:25 |
| ildikov | kmARC got them through that part pretty quickly as most of them was prepared already | 20:25 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:25 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 We definitely need to do that again- I will make note of that. | 20:25 |
| ildikov | we should have the short intro about the training and objectives and have them warmed up a little bit and then get the VM image running and jump on IRC | 20:26 |
| kmARC | mlavalle: any additional requirements what to install in the vm? | 20:26 |
| mlavalle | kmARC: I just want the people who will attend the Neutron on-boarding room to have the VM isntalled. That's all | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, yep, the intro slides reflect that as of my patch- I can add the part about booting things up. | 20:27 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: sounds good, tnx | 20:27 |
| mlavalle | kmARC: so I would like that to be mentioned in the on-boarding room description | 20:27 |
| kmARC | sure that's easy :-) | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, no problem | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | So, a lot we can cut out of the registration/accounts slide deck- who wants it? | 20:29 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: May have questions for clarity but I can | 20:29 |
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| diablo_rojo | spotz, no problem :) Throw a patch up and we will all take a look. | 20:29 |
| * mlavalle spent some time on Friday looking at kmARC github repo for the VM and thinks he kmARC has done a great job | 20:30 | |
| ildikov | mlavalle: +1 | 20:30 |
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| ildikov | is there anything else for the accounts section? | 20:31 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, don't think so | 20:31 |
| ildikov | ok, let's move on to Tracking then | 20:32 |
| ildikov | #link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/workflow-launchpad.html#1 | 20:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Looking at the tracking, I think there is a lot to be condensed and we need to add SB stuff. I can take this one., | 20:32 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: cool | 20:33 |
| diablo_rojo | I will try to add an exercise for SB too. | 20:33 |
| skelso | I wish we had a bug lifecycle picture, kind of like this one https://bugzilla.readthedocs.io/en/5.0/using/editing.html#life-cycle-of-a-bug | 20:33 |
| ildikov | I think we can throw a bunch of stuff out and get them start with an exercise of submitting a bug and analyze what they can set and what they think all those things mean, etc. | 20:33 |
| diablo_rojo | What repo did we have them make bugs against? | 20:33 |
| diablo_rojo | in BCN? | 20:33 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: sandbox | 20:34 |
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| diablo_rojo | Right right, okay cool. I will add that info to the exercise that is there | 20:34 |
| ildikov | skelso: yeah, that one looks good | 20:34 |
| diablo_rojo | skelso, I like that too. I will see if I can find a good place to include it. | 20:34 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I would move the exercise to the beginning and use the slides to ensure we clarify the info they really need | 20:35 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:35 |
| skelso | diablo_rojo: Cool | 20:35 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, Yeah I was gonna shuffle stuff a bunch | 20:35 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: coolio, tnx | 20:35 |
| ildikov | anything else for tracking? | 20:36 |
| diablo_rojo | If anyone has other exercise ideas please speak up :) | 20:36 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Why do we have a number of the slides repeated in here? | 20:36 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: repeated? | 20:37 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Like bug status twice . | 20:37 |
| jungleboyj | Same for importance. | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, might have been an issue with the sphinx rendering of the rst. I will clean all that up :) | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | noticed that too though. | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok. Cool. Thanks. | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | No problemo :) | 20:38 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Is there a way to have people do an exercise where they submit a fix against their bug ... for the section on commits and show how the associated is made? | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | *association | 20:38 |
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| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, yeah we should be able to do that | 20:39 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I'm not sure that works for sandbox, we need to check | 20:39 |
| jungleboyj | That would be kind-of cool. | 20:39 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, just a thought. :-) | 20:39 |
| spotz | ildikov: I'm pretty sure we do it, I'd have to double check | 20:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed. I think the bug numbers/ links should work whether they are in the sandbox enviros or not | 20:40 |
| spotz | ildikov: We may be doing it live with a dummy project thought | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | something to test | 20:40 |
| ildikov | I remember there was something not working with this, but I might be wrong | 20:40 |
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| ildikov | anyway, if anyone can get there to test that would be great | 20:41 |
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| diablo_rojo | 20 min warning | 20:41 |
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| ildikov | ok, let's move on to Gerrit | 20:42 |
| ildikov | #link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/workflow-gerrit.html#1 | 20:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Desperately needs exercises | 20:42 |
| ildikov | yep | 20:42 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, the content looks pretty good. | 20:43 |
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| skelso | Right. In BCN, this deck was where we went from crawl to run. | 20:43 |
| ildikov | we could prepare one or two patches that have history, etc. to show them | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | I would like to add a note as to how you actually make comments as, believe it or not, people have trouble figuring that out. | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, good idea. The newer gerrit ui isnt the most intuitive | 20:44 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: there's a whole reviewing section that covers that right now | 20:44 |
| blancos | Could we roll this into bug exercise perhaps? Like, find a commit in the sandbox and leave a comment | 20:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Could we combine the two sections? | 20:44 |
| diablo_rojo | combine gerrit and reviewing? | 20:44 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:45 |
| ildikov | I think we can do that | 20:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Since gerrit is small and goes with reviewing anyway | 20:45 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: diablo_rojo That would make sense. | 20:45 |
| ildikov | we should avoid having long lecture parts in it still | 20:46 |
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| ildikov | so we could try to insert some exercises so people remain involved | 20:46 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, agreed. Should come up with an exercise for the gerrit intro- adding an ssh key and reviewers to your patch or something | 20:46 |
| diablo_rojo | and then go into reviewing | 20:46 |
| skelso | Slide 3 rocks (I guess I like diagrams) but its density means covering at same speed overwhelms learners. I was thinking to lecture a little more there. | 20:46 |
| ildikov | skelso: :) | 20:47 |
| ildikov | skelso: diagrams are good, I agree | 20:47 |
| diablo_rojo | skelso, if we break it up with more exercises it might make people process the info more so that people dont get overwhealmed by a lot of into being talked at them | 20:47 |
| skelso | Maybe follow with exercises interleaved with lectures covering groups or 2-3 blocks. | 20:47 |
| skelso | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:47 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that would be good. | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | So, the plan is to combine gerrit and reviewing and add at least one more if not two more exercises into that deck | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | ? | 20:48 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:48 |
| ildikov | anyone would like to take this one? | 20:48 |
| spotz | ildikov: If no one else takes it I can, I've got all of this for the lunch and learn | 20:49 |
| spotz | We do it a little different though, we have them make a bug, commit to it, review each other, etc | 20:50 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: That actually was kind of what I was getting at earlier. | 20:50 |
| spotz | jungleboyj: Wed during lunch:) | 20:50 |
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| ildikov | spotz: sounds good | 20:50 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, we can do a lot of that. I will have them make a bug and a task in lp and sb so that when we get here we can do some of that. | 20:50 |
| jungleboyj | It would be nice if we could combine all of this into introduction, exercise, follow on info, exercise. | 20:50 |
| ildikov | spotz: would be great if you can take this, especially as you deal with the topic already :) | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Have them make a patch and reference the bug or sb task and push it and add reviewers and then review someone elses | 20:51 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 20:51 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:52 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: exactly | 20:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Totally do able. | 20:52 |
| spotz | Ok I'll take this and accounts, no more volunteering untiL get these done though:) | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | Much more engaging. | 20:52 |
| ildikov | spotz: thanks much! | 20:52 |
| diablo_rojo | We just need to get all these patches out ASAP. I can work on the tracking one and get it out tonight. I'll add you as a reviewer spotz ;) | 20:52 |
| ildikov | ok, let's try to cover commit messages too today | 20:52 |
| ildikov | #link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/workflow-commit-message.html#1 | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | 7 min left | 20:53 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: sounds good:) | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | I have some ideas for exercises for this I can add | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | this as in the commit messages section | 20:53 |
| ildikov | sounds good | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | not sure if there is much we can cut out? | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | opinions there? | 20:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | I can try to make something a little more succint | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | *succinct | 20:53 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: we can balance with how much we are talking about it | 20:53 |
| jungleboyj | I don't like carrot and stick stuff in here. | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, like the bad and good examples? | 20:54 |
| skelso | Does carrot and stick translate WW? | 20:54 |
| jungleboyj | skelso: Probably not. | 20:54 |
| spotz | oh and formating:) | 20:54 |
| jungleboyj | The first page needs to better explain the importance here. | 20:54 |
| diablo_rojo | The formatting is a bit painful too. | 20:54 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Will it conflict with you if I try to push up a patch that words that better? | 20:55 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah I think it would be better to do the importance and then go into the parts of a commit and have an exercise for writing each part. | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | I also don't like the fact that the examples on page 5 are just summary lines. Not really good examples. | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | Ah, yes, get the parts explained first. Then an example(s) and exercise. | 20:56 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, no you can do that if you want. Or I can get it started and you can push up a patchset in the same patch tweaking things after me if I havent done it well enough? | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: :-p | 20:57 |
| diablo_rojo | I want to rework this whole section now that I think about it lol | 20:57 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ I don't like it. | 20:57 |
| skelso | What about slides 3-4? Are they really about how to structure or partition patches, or just about writing about them? | 20:58 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: jungleboyj: you can sync up on the channel and might get others looking into this too | 20:58 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, not poking at you I promise :) | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Ok. Sounds good. | 20:58 |
| diablo_rojo | If you want to go first I can make mine dependent on yours. | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | Uh huh. ;-) | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | No go ahead and then I can make comments/changes. | 20:59 |
| diablo_rojo | With only four weeks there's no time to poke :) | 20:59 |
| ildikov | we're out of time, but I think we made great progress today | 20:59 |
| spotz | Thanks all! | 20:59 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 Way more productive than last week! | 20:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 20:59 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed. Thanks! | 20:59 |
| ildikov | thanks for everyone volunteering and looking into the material! | 20:59 |
| skelso | Bye! | 20:59 |
| kmARC | goodnight :-) | 20:59 |
| ildikov | keep in touch on Gerrit and IRC | 21:00 |
| mrmartin | goodnight | 21:00 |
| ildikov | see you next week here :) | 21:00 |
| ildikov | good rest of the day everyone! :) | 21:00 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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