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| lhx_ | sileht, hi, sorry for my weak network | 12:13 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 15:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | welcome back john-davidge. how was sthe skiing? | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: hi | 15:01 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Very hot! Probably got the last week of the snow season | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Pike-1 is fast approaching: Apr 10 - 14 | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Also, the Boston Summit is a little more than a month away | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/ | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | May 8 - 11 | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | I am scheduled to be there the entire week | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | I know haleyb will be there | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Hoping to see john-davidge as well | 15:05 |
| haleyb | yes, i'll be there | 15:05 |
| john-davidge | I'm still unsure, remaining hopeful | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Cool! | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Any other announcements? | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | First up today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | I have been discussing this one with kevinbenton. The next step is that I am going to change IPAllocations are added to the port | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | To cover that work I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1676235 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1676235 in neutron "IPAM inserts a port's IP allocations directly in the database, instead of appending them to the fixed_ips relationship of the port" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | In a nutshell I am going to add the IPAllocations to the port through the fixed_ips relationship | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | That will help with the enginefacade implementation and should also have an effect on the FlushError | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Any comments or recommendations? | 15:10 |
| john-davidge | sounds good, will keep an eye on the patch | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton commented on the proposed fix. He didn't see it really addressing the bug and recommended that, if a much better solution is not proposed, remove the rollback mechanism from the IPAM API | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | any opinions about it? | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | ok, cool | 15:15 |
| haleyb | just wondering if anyone from infoblox is around to comment | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | No, I don't see john-belamaric. I will ping him and seek his opinion | 15:16 |
| haleyb | i don't see jon around either, so guess now | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | #action mlavalle to seek john-belamaric opinion on next step for bug 1610483 | 15:17 |
| openstack | bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1610483 - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | does that make sense? | 15:17 |
| haleyb | yup | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | at the very least I will try to brainstorm how a real rollback mechanism should behave :-) | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to James Anziano (janzian) | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | Janzian and I have spent some time with his one lately | 15:20 |
| janzian | We had been suspecting it might be fixed in current master, but some occurrences popped up yesterday that somewhat dashed those hopes :( | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | Well | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | we discovered many of the hits were produced by project openstack/puppet-openstack-integration | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | which seems to be using the latest stable version to execute its tests | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | The other hits are produced by project openstack-dev/devstack | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | and spent some time this morning checking the failures in this project | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | They seem to be all related to non voting jobs in that project | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I will dig deeper and update the bug with findings | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | BTW, no hist triggered by Neutron project | 15:25 |
| janzian | Cool, I hadn't realized the devstack failures were non-voting | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | I didn't have time to go through all the hist, but I saw at least 4. so this is still tentative | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509004 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to James Anziano (janzian) | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | I see 2 hits over the past 7 days | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | But it's been really quiet over the past 2 weeks | 15:28 |
| janzian | The first hit is a different test case producing the same error. I hadn't seen the second hit before now though | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | It's been quiet over the past 2 weeks | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | Let's dig into those 2 failures, see if they are legit | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1672701 | 15:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672701 in neutron "DetachedInstanceError on subnet delete" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | I think the fixes to the stable branches were realesed | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | and it doesn't affect master | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | I just wanted to confirm with haleyb it is closed | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | since he was involved in merging the fix | 15:31 |
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| * haleyb looks | 15:32 | |
| haleyb | yes, it's in stable ocata and newton | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: ok, I'll close it, so it doesn't pop up in our Launchpad queries | 15:33 |
| haleyb | i just did | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | thanks :-) | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1675187 | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1675187 in neutron "Floating IPs not removed on rfp interface in qrouter" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | Again, it showed up in the query to Launchpad | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: do you want to discuss it here or keep it with the DVR team? | 15:35 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/451859 was just proposed by me 20 minutes ago :) | 15:35 |
| haleyb | i can keep it on dvr list since it's dvr-specific | 15:36 |
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| mlavalle | ok, I won't include it in this meeting | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs from the team? | 15:37 |
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| mlavalle | cool | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | I just wanted to mention that last week the drivers meeting was cancelled, due to scheduling problems | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | it is scheduler for today and the floating ip spec is up for discussion | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | any comments john-davidge? | 15:40 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Is it still scheduled at the earlier time slot? | 15:40 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: I didn;t see the revert merge yet | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: no, armax didn't like the new time, so at least for this week, it will take place at the old time | 15:40 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Ah, ok. Will you be attending? It's too late for me | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | yes I will | 15:41 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Ok, excellent | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:42 |
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| mlavalle | Any other topics we should discuss today? | 15:42 |
| haleyb | i have one | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | the floor is yours haleyb | 15:42 |
| haleyb | forgot to add to etherpad, so will have to type it out | 15:42 |
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| haleyb | a change to deprecate an old dns setting, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406243 merged recently | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | ah yeah | 15:43 |
| haleyb | backports were proposed but not appropriate | 15:43 |
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| haleyb | armax had a question about that value being in neutron.conf versus the agent file in #neutron the other day, we wanted to get your opinion we didn't miss something | 15:44 |
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| haleyb | the other question he had was about the deprecation not having a relationship to the new value - i.e. the original one could have had something | 15:45 |
| * haleyb doesn't know how to describe it, but basically the old conf value could have pointed at the new to ease transisiton | 15:46 | |
| haleyb | mlavalle: so what are your thoughts? | 15:46 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Is the question whether it should be moved back into dhcp_agent.ini and removed from neutron.conf? | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | when I proposed to deprecate dhcp_domain from the agent file | 15:47 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yes, that seemed to be part of it | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | my thinking was just to stop parameter proliferation, especially with parameters that are doing essentially the same thing | 15:47 |
| haleyb | my time machine is broken though | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | Before DNS instegration, the decision of what to put in the the dnsmasq files was up to the agent | 15:49 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: i don't think so, part was that the contents of neutron.conf could differ on nodes, which seemed almost a config bug, armax might be able to explain better, but don't see him | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | When we added DNS integration, that decision moved to the server | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | if the DNS integration extension is configured | 15:50 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Right, ok | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | so that is why we added dns_domain to neutron.conf | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | when dns integration is present, the agent will take the hostname from the port data it retrives from the server | 15:51 |
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| mlavalle | are you with me? | 15:51 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: right. and the dhcp agent is typically running on a controller, so i was a little confused by his questions | 15:52 |
| haleyb | ok, so hostname from port data, then domain from server data? | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | correct | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | but what if the deployment oesn't configure the dns extension | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | the port data won't have dns_assignment attribute | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | so we revert to taking the decision locally in the agent | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | makes sense? | 15:54 |
| haleyb | that seems ok, but you're the expert :) | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | now, I may be making one conceptual error | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | do we assume that the agent can read neutron.conf? | 15:55 |
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| haleyb | i would hope so, at least on devstack it's started with both neutron.conf and it's ini | 15:56 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: we might just need to find armax later to discuss | 15:57 |
| mlavalle | being that the case, when I marked dhcp_domain for deprecation, I was just trying to avoid parameter proliferation | 15:57 |
| haleyb | then i went a really removed it since it was like two releases old | 15:58 |
| mlavalle | exactly | 15:58 |
| haleyb | we're about out of time... | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | I can ping armax later and when I find him, I'll ping you | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending ! | 15:59 |
| haleyb | sounds good | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 15:59:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-30-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-30-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-30-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting api_wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 16:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api_wg)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: cdent | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| edleafe | Who's here? | 16:00 |
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| * edleafe is feeling lonely... | 16:01 | |
| edleafe | Well, I'll go through the motions, at least :) | 16:03 |
| edleafe | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:03 |
| edleafe | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api_wg)" | 16:03 | |
| edleafe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/ | 16:03 |
| edleafe | First: | 16:03 |
| edleafe | elmiko to make an agenda item to think about what we do | 16:03 |
| edleafe | (referring to the mission statement part of http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/process.html) | 16:03 |
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| edleafe | Since no elmiko here, I'll defer to next week | 16:03 |
| edleafe | #action elmiko to make an agenda item to think about what we do | 16:04 |
| edleafe | Also: | 16:04 |
| edleafe | edleafe to explore the apocryphal option 5 on the stability guideline | 16:04 |
| edleafe | that is, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ | 16:04 |
| edleafe | I'm not clear exactly where we are, but I have tried to spur discussion in the review. | 16:04 |
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| edleafe | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic and new biz (Meeting topic: api_wg)" | 16:04 | |
| edleafe | Don't really fancy hearing myself talk (or type) so... | 16:05 |
| edleafe | #topic guidelines | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api_wg)" | 16:05 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:05 |
| edleafe | I think that this is ready for freeze: | 16:05 |
| edleafe | #link pagination guideline https://review.openstack.org/446716 | 16:05 |
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| edleafe | This is trivial, but I wanted at least one more OK before merging: | 16:05 |
| edleafe | # link clarify meaning of BODY https://review.openstack.org/451568 | 16:05 |
| edleafe | #topic bug review | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api_wg)" | 16:06 | |
| edleafe | nothing exciting here | 16:06 |
| edleafe | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api_wg)" | 16:06 | |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:06 |
| edleafe | Guess I'll take that one :) | 16:06 |
| edleafe | So I'm done. I'll keep the meeting open for a bit in case there are stragglers who arrive late. | 16:07 |
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| stevelle | I just watched because not much to say | 16:07 |
| stevelle | guessing we don't have bagels this week since it wasn't your turn to bring them | 16:08 |
| * edleafe is relieved that he isn't the only one appearing in the logs :) | 16:08 | |
| edleafe | I can offer you some lukewarm coffee | 16:08 |
| stevelle | I got a cup of that already | 16:08 |
| edleafe | heh | 16:09 |
| stevelle | so on the stability guideline. I lost track of what option 5 really means | 16:09 |
| edleafe | me too | 16:09 |
| edleafe | IIRC, it was the option of assuming "robust" clients who could handle addtions | 16:10 |
| stevelle | phew. | 16:10 |
| edleafe | Like new URLs and extra properties in a response | 16:10 |
| edleafe | IOW, the anti-Monty proposal | 16:10 |
| edleafe | It might also be the non-microversion one, too | 16:10 |
| edleafe | like going with a more semver-like approach | 16:11 |
| stevelle | so do we need someone to take that assumption and roll through the proposal shouting 'bin it' everywhere to reduce the scope? | 16:11 |
| edleafe | yeah, I dunno | 16:11 |
| stevelle | that way we can rehash every argument? | 16:11 |
| edleafe | this is the sort of thing that is best done in person, like at the PTG | 16:11 |
| stevelle | agreed | 16:12 |
| edleafe | The only problem is we had one side in the morning, and the response in the afternoon | 16:12 |
| edleafe | No back-and-forth between the two | 16:12 |
| edleafe | The latest version is based on those discussions. | 16:12 |
| stevelle | without a time schedule it was really tough to predice. collectively we'll learn | 16:12 |
| edleafe | So it seems odd to go back to before they happened | 16:13 |
| edleafe | This seems like something that would be hard to iterate on | 16:13 |
| edleafe | We have to get pretty freakin' close on the first shot | 16:13 |
| stevelle | so extra properties or not, the functionality of a robust client would seem to be the LCD of a feature set | 16:13 |
| stevelle | trying to exceed the LCD requires something like a 'smart' client instead of 'robust' | 16:14 |
| stevelle | so I think we have a natural ceiling to how much that helps | 16:14 |
| edleafe | and that's not compatible with the Monty scenario of strict cross-cloud compatibility | 16:15 |
| stevelle | also true | 16:15 |
| edleafe | hey, wait | 16:15 |
| edleafe | mordred | 16:15 |
| edleafe | mordred | 16:15 |
| edleafe | OA | 16:15 |
| edleafe | ugh | 16:15 |
| edleafe | mordred | 16:15 |
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| edleafe | maybe if I say his nick 3 times he'll magically appear | 16:15 |
| stevelle | have to stand in front of a mirror with the lights off? | 16:16 |
| edleafe | i do have my garlic necklace on | 16:17 |
| edleafe | Well, I hope that we can discuss this in person again, although neither cdent nor I will be at the Forum in Boston | 16:17 |
| stevelle | same same | 16:18 |
| edleafe | Maybe we need two tags: API stability, and cloud interop compatibility | 16:18 |
| edleafe | The former is the "robust client" standard, and the latter is the Monty standard | 16:18 |
| stevelle | I think that is a solid idea | 16:18 |
| stevelle | much more versatile | 16:19 |
| edleafe | The only problem is that most projects will never bother with the latter | 16:19 |
| edleafe | too difficult | 16:19 |
| edleafe | for too little (or no) benefit to themselves | 16:19 |
| edleafe | Hmmm, maybe I should write a blog post on this | 16:19 |
| stevelle | though interop implies stability so we have a kind of tiered tag which was rejected in one form at PTG. this is different however in that this idea cuts functionally rather than on a measure of adherence. | 16:20 |
| stevelle | that makes it like the upgrade tags | 16:20 |
| stevelle | nova will get the interop tag at least, right? | 16:20 |
| edleafe | exactly, it's not like "stable" and "pretty stable" | 16:21 |
| stevelle | anyway, +1 for exploring stability and interop tags separate | 16:21 |
| edleafe | Well, nova, ironic, placement, and any other microversion-based project | 16:21 |
| stevelle | though as has been discussed, ironic has a bit of a challenge in their extensions | 16:22 |
| edleafe | I think that if cloud A runs ironic with the same extensions as cloud B, the responses at the same version should be the same, no? | 16:23 |
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| stevelle | what if they have different extensions? I'm not an expert on this | 16:24 |
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| stevelle | I felt like I remembered that there was message format differences w/ different extensions. That may have been worked out in terms of scope of the tag at ptg? | 16:25 |
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| edleafe | well, that sound like we're drifting back into the absolutist realm | 16:25 |
| edleafe | nova has adopted an absolutist postion: no extensions, period | 16:25 |
| edleafe | that won't work with other projects | 16:25 |
| stevelle | fair enough, and I think there are projects who then can do interop now. | 16:26 |
| edleafe | My understanding is that two clouds runnign the same extensions would return the same format | 16:26 |
| stevelle | just not many | 16:26 |
| edleafe | different extension, though, would probably differ | 16:26 |
| edleafe | and that's ok | 16:26 |
| stevelle | agreed. | 16:27 |
| stevelle | and if someone wants to propose an image service API that can claim interop, that seems like a win. | 16:27 |
| edleafe | well, thanks for showing up. I think I'll crank out the newsletter and then write up a blog post on this | 16:28 |
| stevelle | same for other services that might be on the fringe, heat et al | 16:28 |
| stevelle | yup, looking forward to reading it. | 16:28 |
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| edleafe | #endmeeting | 16:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 16:30:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-30-16.00.html | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-30-16.00.txt | 16:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-30-16.00.log.html | 16:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman annak igordcard: hi | 18:01 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:01 |
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| annak | hi! | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 18:01:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#March_30th.2C_23rd_2017 | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | since igordcard is around | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS patch | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "QoS patch (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/426436 | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks for fixing all the issues, great work | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: do you think your comments are addressed on this patch? | 18:03 |
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| rkukura | I think so - planning to re-review | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: as before, my apologies for dragging this patch for so long | 18:03 |
| rkukura | I wasn’t sure if we wanted to merge this right away, or hold off until the newton work settled out completely | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: we were battling some pretty nasty DB issues last week, and I preferred to not merge anything major which might have further complicated debugging the DB issues | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right, just saying that | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: we did solve one of the DB problems (which i will update a little later) | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we should be in a position to merge this as soon as a couple of the other issues settle down | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i dont anticipate that any of the fixes we make will have any impact on your patch | 18:06 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam, igordcard: Do we plan to back-port QoS to stable/newton and/or stable/mitaka? | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: at this point i am not inclined to backport to mitaka | 18:06 |
| rkukura | makes sense | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay moving on | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Use of upper constraints on master | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so basically the summary here is that regardless of what branch version we use in the tox.ini for the upper-constraints, the upstream openstack infra job looks at the branch name and basically uses the version of upper-constraints based on that | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this messes up things in our case where our master trails the rest of openstack | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so if we take the current snapshot, we are on newton but the py27 job is being run with library dependencies of pike | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | even if we specify explicit version numbers in requirements or test-requirements, if the dependency is present in upper-constraints, the version in upper-constraints takes precedence | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the best fix is to obviously catch up with openstack master, so that we are trailing | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but since we are not there yet, we have to work around this | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one of my recent commits fixed an issue related to this such that it worked in the CI, but it broke local tox py27 runs | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for catching that | 18:13 |
| rkukura | that was an easy one | 18:14 |
| annak | we can adjust the local runs.. | 18:14 |
| igordcard | thanks SumitNaiksatam, sorry was on another conversation | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and you were contemplating chaning the upper-constraints of our master to point to our master | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: no problem at all | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks for sticking around | 18:14 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: yes, two possible fixes | 18:14 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: [qos] backporting to newton should be alright | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am not in favor of changing the upper-constraints version for our master just yet | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: yes, that wouldnt be an issue | 18:15 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I agree - I’d rather catch issues while developing rather than while back-porting | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: exactly, you said it well | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so for now lets roll with your patch | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i just had some nit comments on it | 18:18 |
| rkukura | OK - just fixed the commit msg, and will add the REVISIT in a moment | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that said, we will continue to live on the edge for this reason! :-( | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great thanks | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think songole is not around | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | unfortunately we have not been able to make progress with the NFP patches for the same reason as for the QoS patch | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need newton to settle, before we can start merging any major changes | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: thanks for the patch on pep-8 changes, great contribution towards the betterment of the project! | 18:20 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: np | 18:21 |
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| rkukura | So are we seeing more deprecation warnings now that we should deal with? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: the merge failures on that patch were on account of the upper-constraints issue discussed earlier here, but for now we dodged a bullet and were able to get through | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i havent checked after annak’s latest merge, but i suspect yes | 18:22 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: yes, thanks | 18:22 |
| rkukura | I think its mostly stuff that’s moved to neutron_lib | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the ones that remain are probably bigger changes in terms of which APIs we are using | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: there might be some keystone/keystoneclient related too | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and most likely these are already deprecated in Ocata, so we will have to deal with these pretty soon | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | of course, as a standard operating procedure, we should not be waiting for a deprecation to happen :-) | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the other update i had was on the DB issue | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | last week i had reported this: #link https://www.pastiebin.com/58d16e63140f9 | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the DB reentrant issue | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it turned out that this was an issue in the “aim” code outside of GBP | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so it was happening only when configuring the aim_mapping GBP driver | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the issue was that a session was being switched with another during a transaction | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the switch was inadvertent, hence difficult to find, and had catastrophic results! | 18:28 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: good find! | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yes, thank amit! :-) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are still a couple of other DB issues we are looking at | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am still sitting on the “resource closed” error, not reproduced it yet, and rkukura is dealing with the stale data error (which is specific to aim driver) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but regarding the first issue, switching of session is very difficult to catch, so we needless to say, we have to be extra careful when we pass the session around | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was also thinking if we could instrument an automatic check if the session gets used outside the scope of the thread that created it | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: :-) | 18:31 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I like that idea | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the last thing i wanted to bring up is adding “retry” decorators for the GBP plugin, similar to the one that the neutron plugin has | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently we are seeing an issue, at least with the aim_mapping driver, where concurrent operations cause failure | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in such cases, a retry would help | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (the failure is because the concurrent operations lead to mutliple per-tenant resources) | 18:34 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: do you have the patch that fixes the session issue so i can get better idea about the problem? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: its outside of GBP but I can certainly point you to where it is | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: i will follow up with you offline | 18:35 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman: do you have any thoughts about adding the retry decorator? | 18:35 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: not sure I know of a reason against it? | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had actually added them in the newton sync patch, but eventually removed them before it got merged | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: and i dont recall why | 18:36 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: things like this already exist in neutron, I believe (e.g. port binding)? | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right, so we can follow that pattern | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, since there does not seem to be an objection, i wil try it out | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi, we were just about to wrap up | 18:38 |
| annak | just a heads up - I'm planning to start posting the vmware plugin soon, it is still under heavy WIP so probably not worth looking at yet | 18:38 |
| songole | Sorry, I am late | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: np, feel free to post | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: most of our patches start that way :-) | 18:38 |
| annak | :) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: i actually prefer to post even at an early stage, if not for anything else, just to see how it fares in the upstream gate | 18:39 |
| rkukura | sorry - got interrupted | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: we could also consider adding a new gate job for that plugin | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: np | 18:40 |
| rkukura | I was also going to ask about adding retry decorators to the GBP API | 18:40 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: yes, definately. but too early for that as well | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so you feel we should add | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: sure | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: but be aware that the gate job that CI gives is just a hook (with devstack install) | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: you can decide what tests you want to run | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: so in the initial stage you can run something very basic | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i apologized earlier for not making progress with the NFP patches :-) | 18:42 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Whether we should need to rety decorators depends on the DB isolation level, I think | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: could you elaborate? | 18:43 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: np. We will not be merging until mid next week | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: one of the reason we are holding back a bit is because all the DB issues are not yet resolved with newton | 18:44 |
| songole | ok | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so we want to avoid complicating the problem (which we are anyway finding difficult to debug) with more changes on top | 18:45 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: Could me merge it for mitaka first in that case? | 18:45 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: As I understand it, neutron was originally written assuming a high isolation level, such as serializable, but I think this has been relaxed over time | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: most likely the NFP patches are not going to affect anything major in the framework, but we just want to be careful, since we had some issues now with outside repos breaking us | 18:45 |
| rkukura | There is also the version column thing, which maybe we should be using | 18:46 |
| rkukura | when ensures a commit fails if some other TX increments versions of rows that it modifies | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you mean object versioning (OVO)? | 18:46 |
| rkukura | no, its a column in the DB that keeps a version counter for each row | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:47 |
| rkukura | #link http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/versioning.html | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah thanks, i was thinking something totally different | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: have you observed this pattern being used in openstack? | 18:49 |
| rkukura | My very vague understanding of Neutron’s approach now is to allow a lower isolation level, such as read committed, and count on the DB throughing retry exceptions when attempting to commit something that has been concurrently modified | 18:49 |
| rkukura | s/throughing/throwing/ | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:50 |
| rkukura | neutron.db.standard_attr includes “version_id_col” | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the retry decorator should work for that case, right? | 18:52 |
| rkukura | so I think the retry decorators work together with the StaleDataError exceptions | 18:52 |
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| rkukura | right, the version_id_col declaration tells sqlalchemy to raise StaleDataError during commit if the version number isn’t what was expected. | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am hoping they will also work in the case, say, when a per-tenant resource is attempted to be created from two concurrent threads, one succeeds, the other one fails | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but the one which fails can be retried, and will now see the per-tenant resource already present and would not try recreating it the second time around | 18:55 |
| rkukura | So if we really are using read committed or repeatable reads isolation level, but aren’t suing version_id_col, then we might be exposed to all kinds of concurrency issues | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks :-) | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, thanks for bringing that up | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: will take up this discussion offline with you | 18:57 |
| rkukura | sure | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i am not sure front porting is a good model | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: lets see which patches you have in mind | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hopefully we can open up the master itself soon | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay if nothing else, we can wrap up for today | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining! | 18:59 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:59 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 18:59:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-30-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-30-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-30-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
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