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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 14:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
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| zemuvier | o/ | 14:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:01 |
| shuyingya | hi o/ | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | o/ | 14:02 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| tosky | fire! The gates for sahara-image-elements are now unlocked (I have few reviews there, you can guess what I'm testing) | 14:03 |
| tosky | the gates for sahara.git are still broken, it's an eventlet change which removed a method and it probably requires a change in the way the monkey patching is done | 14:03 |
| tosky | if I understood it correctly | 14:03 |
| zemuvier | esikachev and I are trying to return sahara-ci to live again | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | nothing new to me; I have ready version of sahara with Apache + testing multinode sahara | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443568/ | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | SotK, first I will start with the summit updates, zemuvier I talked with TSP people and I don't have any influence on who gets it, so it is totally up to the tsp | 14:04 |
| shuyingya | nothing from my side, working on internal stuff. | 14:05 |
| zemuvier | tellesnobrega: so we well get the results in the end of march, am I right? | 14:05 |
| zemuvier | will* | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | i think so | 14:05 |
| zemuvier | so we should only wait | 14:05 |
| zemuvier | let's hope on the best | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | on more technical update, I'm working on image gen and got a couple patches yesterday but they still need work, cdh is close to being ready | 14:05 |
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| tellesnobrega | ambari needs a lot of work | 14:06 |
| zemuvier | btw, I think it's ready https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443554/ | 14:06 |
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| tellesnobrega | other than that, I'm starting to look into micro versions for api v2, I talked with tosky and raissa yesterday about it and there are some definitions that need detailing so I will be sending a patch upstream so we all can pitch in | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | zemuvier, great | 14:07 |
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| tellesnobrega | about the boston summit, you all probably saw that there was a request for forum topics for discussion in more of a horizontal way | 14:09 |
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| tellesnobrega | I didn't start a brainstorm for sahara because I don't believe we will have people there to do a lot of discussing, if anyone has any topic that strongly believe I should bring it up there please let me know and I will try to do so, otherwise I won't propose topics for sahara | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | and will work on the onboarding and speed mentoring | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | About outreachy, I was contacted by around 4 or 5 people interested in working on sahara, I can only work with one, and if anyone of you would like to propose a project for the outreachy and try to score someone else to work on it let me know and I will try to see if it is still possible | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | mariannelm is not around today, but she asked me to ask people to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427480/ | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | this is part of the pluggability work and we should try to get it ready asap | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | anyone else has news or updates? | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Specs / features status | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs / features status (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:15 | |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, are you still working on api v2 right? | 14:15 |
| tellesnobrega | as I said, I'm working on microversions, but I will send an email on it before I can move on it | 14:16 |
| shuyingya | yep, I have nearly finished the job-binary-internal but mariannelm posted yet. and I am little busy with internal stuff recently | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | I ask of everyone here to take some time to review shuyingya's patches on api v2, so we can continue moving on with it | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, you can sync with her so she won't redo stuff you already have done, and you can merge it | 14:17 |
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| shuyingya | so I think we should mark our state on wiki before working on it. | 14:18 |
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| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, yes, this would be the best approach for sure | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | I mean about the work you already have done, you can increment her patch or send her tips on how to get it better | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | I trust your judgment there | 14:19 |
| shuyingya | yep. I will | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:19 |
| shuyingya | np | 14:19 |
| shuyingya | ^^ | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | also we need review on esikachev's spec | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | is anyone working on plugin updates? | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443554/ | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | to review ^ | 14:20 |
| shuyingya | I will review these patches after meeting. | 14:20 |
| tosky | we had few new plugin versions in Ocata, but probably we need more testing | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, great | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, true | 14:21 |
| shuyingya | I think jiasen can work on CDH 5.10, but he is preparing on his paper in school | 14:21 |
| tosky | for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1672218 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672218 in Sahara "Using ambari 2.4 with 2.4.0.1 image - inconsistent server/agent version" [Undecided,New] | 14:21 |
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| tellesnobrega | I believe we agreed to bring new versions of CDH to 5.10 and Spark to 2.1.0 and Storm to its newest version | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | I think I can work on spark and storm | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | this is prio, so we need to get started on that | 14:24 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, seems like hadoop 2.8.x release timeframe was finally announced last week: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP/Hadoop+2.8+Release | 14:24 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, interesting, lets take a look and add it to our list to update it as well | 14:25 |
| shuyingya | jeremyfreudberg \o/ | 14:25 |
| tosky | oh, is it me or theis releases took more time than 2.6->2.7? | 14:25 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, this release took very long time... | 14:26 |
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| tosky | 3.0.0 GA2017-08-15 uh | 14:26 |
| tosky | that overlaps with Pike | 14:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, I think Pike release *is* August, so I think 3.x will be for us Q release? | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, yes, looks like this will be a work for queen | 14:26 |
| tosky | and it could easily sleep | 14:27 |
| tellesnobrega | what do you mean? | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | does it make sense to update to 2.8.0 now and to 3.0 in queen? | 14:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, I think 3.0 is more important. 2.8 only if we have the extra resources/time | 14:29 |
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| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, tosky ^ | 14:30 |
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| tosky | I mean that the release dates usually are delayed, seldom happens earlier than planned | 14:31 |
| tosky | so if they say GA for August, even if there is a rc for July, it's not something too reliable with our schedule | 14:32 |
| tosky | especially as they plan 2.8 (now), 2.8.1 (ok) and 2.9 | 14:32 |
| tellesnobrega | 3.0 in unreasonable for pike | 14:33 |
| tellesnobrega | queen for sure if the maintain the schedule | 14:33 |
| tellesnobrega | about 2.8 makes sense to have people working on it for pike? | 14:33 |
| tosky | vanilla it's the baseline, it would be nice (but I can't personally commit on it) | 14:34 |
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| tellesnobrega | I think so too | 14:35 |
| vgridnev | I don't have strict opinion on what we should support first. Actually support of 2.8 should be really easy. | 14:35 |
| jeremyfreudberg | I think 2.8 would be nice. But not as high priority as refactor CDH, Spark 2.x | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, true, let's see, if someone steps up and can work on it great. I will have this added to our schedule and figure out who can do it or even do it myself | 14:36 |
| tellesnobrega | SotK, lets move on | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:37 |
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| tellesnobrega | anyone has anything that want to discuss at this point? | 14:38 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega - just want to remind you about investigating the pig-oozie thing | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, right, can you remind me what am I investigating, can't remember now | 14:38 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, lol, sure, basically the issue is pig libs are only installed when oozie is also installed. also those pig libs live in HDFS (oozie sharelib) so regular user can't even access them without oozie workflow | 14:40 |
| jeremyfreudberg | so this is explaining why Pig works on EDP but not "manually" for regular user | 14:40 |
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| tellesnobrega | ok, we want to decouple this right? you want to know if its possible right? | 14:41 |
| jeremyfreudberg | well it's definitely possible to divorce pig and oozie. we just want to know first why it was done like that. and then figure out a way to do it cleanly | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, awesome. I will write it down so I won't forget it again | 14:42 |
| jeremyfreudberg | cool, thanks (I need to go afk now) | 14:43 |
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| tellesnobrega | anyone else? I will leave the microversion discussion for ML so we can have an easier register and input from people that have done it already | 14:44 |
| tellesnobrega | if not, we can have 15 minutes back | 14:44 |
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| tellesnobrega | ok guys, thanks for coming | 14:45 |
| tellesnobrega | lets keep up the good work :) | 14:46 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 14:46:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-03-23-14.00.html | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-03-23-14.00.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-03-23-14.00.log.html | 14:46 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 15:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | janzian: you around? | 15:03 |
| janzian | mlavalle: o/ | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's start | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | maybe haleyb will join later | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | Pike-1 milestone is approaching fast, Apr 10 - 14 | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Also the Openstack Summit in Boston is a little more tan a month away | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | May 8th to 12th | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:08 | |
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| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | I brought this one up during the Neutron meeting this past Monday | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | Discussed it with kevinbenton. He suggested to change the way IPAllocations are created by the DB plugin | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | instead of directly creating IPAllocations in the DB, we should pass a port_db object to IPAM, and the IPAllocations should be added to the fixed ips of that port | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | I think this may fix the Flusherror problem we are having | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | For this one, kevinbenton suggested in the proposed fix to remove the rollback mechanism from the IPAM API | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | I'll explore this possibility over the next few days | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to James Anziano (janzian) | 15:16 |
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| janzian | Kibana is showing only three occurrences of this bug over the last month | 15:17 |
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| janzian | All in puppet-nova project | 15:17 |
| janzian | Looking through the logs, it appears that they're using a release version of neutron, not master branch, so we suspect this bug might be fixed | 15:18 |
| janzian | I'll keep monitoring Kibana over the next few days and see if anything new crops up that could prove otherwise | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | janzian: Thanks for the update | 15:19 |
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| janzian | mlavalle: Thanks for your help with the bug :) | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | if we don't see it popping again outside puppet-nova over the next few days, let's close it | 15:20 |
| janzian | Will do | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509004 | 15:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | This one doesn't have an owner. Since you are winding down the other one, would you like to tackle this one janzian? | 15:21 |
| janzian | Sure, I can give it a go | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | janzian: we can spend some time together later today working on this one :-) | 15:22 |
| janzian | mlavalle: Sounds good :) | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | Any other topics that should be discussed today? | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | ok, cool | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | Talk to you next week | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 15:25:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-23-15.00.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-23-15.00.txt | 15:25 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 16:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
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| cdent | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| cdent | Any elmiko today? Anyone else along for the api-wg? | 16:00 |
| cdent | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| cdent | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
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| stevelle | o/ | 16:01 |
| cdent | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-16-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| cdent | only action item was on edleafe to adopt the pagination guideline and he did it! | 16:02 |
| cdent | success | 16:02 |
| edleafe | woo hoo! | 16:02 |
| cdent | it was also agreed that I should go back to bed, which I did, and though my cold still lingers, I'm much less poorly | 16:02 |
| elmiko | o/ | 16:02 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:02 |
| cdent | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:03 |
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| cdent | * clarify api-wg is tc governed not uc governed | 16:03 |
| elmiko | uc? | 16:03 |
| cdent | there's been some confusion on whether we are "governed" by the tc or the uc (user committee) | 16:03 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:03 |
| elmiko | ahh | 16:03 |
| edleafe | confusion where? | 16:03 |
| stevelle | ML | 16:04 |
| cdent | the reason for some of the confusion is that the UC has us on some wiki pages and regularly contacts us about setting up time at summits and such | 16:04 |
| cdent | and in some presentations to the board the api-wg was "claimed" by the UC | 16:04 |
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| cdent | so this inspired some asking around about what the truth was | 16:04 |
| cdent | and the truth is that api-wg is under the guidance of the tc and we need to make sure we're on the right wiki pages etc and off the wrong ones | 16:04 |
| elmiko | interesting | 16:05 |
| edleafe | You can't handle the truth!! | 16:05 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:05 |
| cdent | the basic dealio is is whether we meet at the ptg or ops meetups | 16:05 |
| elmiko | you need me on this firewall! | 16:05 |
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| cdent | since it is the ptg for us, that makes us tc | 16:05 |
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| elmiko | ptg seems more appropriate though | 16:05 |
| elmiko | sorry, i'll stop interrupting now | 16:05 |
| cdent | i haven't yet located the who and what we need to clean up | 16:05 |
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| edleafe | ptg++ | 16:06 |
| cdent | so if people know or find stuff, feel free to take it upon yourself to tidy | 16:06 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:06 |
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| cdent | and presumably when emails start going round about UC stuff to the api-wg cores, we should let them know what's up | 16:07 |
| cdent | I've got a couple other new biz things that I only thought of today so are not on agenda, but before I monopolize, anyone else got something? stevelle? | 16:07 |
| stevelle | I'm just here for the bagels | 16:08 |
| cdent | bagels!?!? | 16:08 |
| stevelle | I was promised bagels and cream cheese | 16:08 |
| cdent | edleafe: did you eat all the bagels before giving me one? | 16:08 |
| edleafe | Nope. I refuse to eat bagels that aren't from the NYC area | 16:08 |
| elmiko | ooh, now i'm hungry... thanks stevelle ! | 16:09 |
| * edleafe is a bagel and pizza snob | 16:09 | |
| * cdent is not shocked | 16:09 | |
| elmiko | edleafe hahaha | 16:09 |
| * stevelle is a helper | 16:09 | |
| cdent | okay, then I'll take back the floor: | 16:09 |
| cdent | in conversation today about "what the api-wg does" there was an assertion that we produce guidelines, as in that's our job | 16:10 |
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| cdent | I demurred suggesting that was a byproduct of our job, which is to work towards creating consistency and correctness in openstack apis | 16:10 |
| cdent | thoughts? | 16:10 |
| edleafe | Those two do not seem orthogonal | 16:11 |
| cdent | indeed | 16:11 |
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| edleafe | IOW, the way to create consistency and correctness is via the guidelines | 16:11 |
| dstanek | cdent: besides the docs how else is that done? | 16:11 |
| cdent | the way or a way? | 16:12 |
| elmiko | i guess the question is how much "creating consistency and correctness" do we do beyond producing guidelines? | 16:12 |
| cdent | dstanek: by talking a lot and scrupulously encouraging input from lots of voices | 16:12 |
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| cdent | what I just said to dstanek is the crux of the biscuit | 16:12 |
| edleafe | ...so that we can create better guidelines! | 16:12 |
| elmiko | good point cdent, we also help to facilitate the conversation | 16:12 |
| dstanek | cdent: sure, but the product is the docs - that's what most people will see | 16:12 |
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| elmiko | imo, i think it's good not to gloss over the social factors that we bring to bare | 16:13 |
| dstanek | the hard part of software engineering isn't the code, but unfortunately many see us as just 'coders' | 16:13 |
| dtroyer | dstanek: _one_ product is the docs, the primary product is better APIs | 16:13 |
| cdent | yeah, the reason this came up and the reason I'm bringing it up here is because of some disagreement over the extent to which I've made efforts to keep the conversations on the stability guideline ongoing | 16:13 |
| edleafe | dtroyer: no, that is the goal | 16:14 |
| dstanek | i like the 'the way' language as it shows a stonger opinion | 16:14 |
| edleafe | we don't produce any APIs | 16:14 |
| dstanek | dtroyer: i'm not disagreeing...i'm just saying why people think it's just docs | 16:14 |
| dtroyer | not directly, but that is one of the things that people should see | 16:14 |
| stevelle | the indirection between the better apis makes it difficult to do more than infer correlation | 16:14 |
| stevelle | between the better apis and the concrete products of the WG... | 16:15 |
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| dtroyer | so maybe it is better said in the form cdent used, producing those conversations that lead to better APIs? | 16:15 |
| edleafe | We do arbitrate to some degree when there are disagreements | 16:15 |
| dstanek | stevelle: ++ | 16:15 |
| edleafe | But we don't produce APIs | 16:16 |
| dstanek | i see this group as 'architects' in a more traditional architecture role | 16:16 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: +1 | 16:16 |
| cdent | huh, apparently it is a good thing I brought this up, as it has revealed yet more (mild) disconnects. That's good. | 16:17 |
| edleafe | stevelle: precisely. Our existence will help reduce the number of "this is my preference" decisions that can go different ways depending on the developer | 16:17 |
| cdent | I'm not sure there is a particular action we can take from this, other than to consider it as a question for a while "What is that we do?" | 16:18 |
| edleafe | eat bagels? | 16:18 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:18 |
| dstanek | i mention the agi-wg quite a bit when we are designing features (like tages and other apis) - sometimes i get asked when it is | 16:18 |
| dstanek | it would be nice to have a clear, cohesive statement if one doesn't exist | 16:19 |
| dstanek | mission statement of whatever | 16:19 |
| cdent | there is a mission statement | 16:19 |
| * jroll walks in late | 16:19 | |
| cdent | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/ | 16:19 |
| cdent | but I'm not sure if it gets what we've actually done over the past couple of years | 16:19 |
| elmiko | maybe time for a refresh? | 16:20 |
| cdent | I dunno. That's definitely _not_ what I was thinking of when I raised the topic. But if other people think so. | 16:20 |
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| edleafe | elmiko: thanks for volunteering! :) | 16:21 |
| elmiko | XD | 16:21 |
| dstanek | that sounds after the fact. i usually say that this group looks and what we have, best practices and helps us architect better apis | 16:21 |
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| elmiko | here's another angle | 16:22 |
| elmiko | in the past we have made serious effort to document what is happening in the openstack world through our "current design" wiki | 16:22 |
| elmiko | that is definitely another thing we produce | 16:22 |
| elmiko | granted, it's more r&d, but still | 16:23 |
| cdent | So it seems there more to think about then I originally assumed. Should we articulate an agenda item for next week to think about in the interim (so that we can move on now)? | 16:23 |
| elmiko | could we hold till the week after? (i'm out for kubecon next week) | 16:24 |
| cdent | sure | 16:24 |
| elmiko | thanks | 16:25 |
| cdent | as long as you pay the forfeit of creating the agenda item | 16:25 |
| elmiko | definitely | 16:25 |
| cdent | #action elmiko to make an agenda item to think about what we do | 16:25 |
| elmiko | haha, beat me to it | 16:25 |
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| cdent | next thing is the concrete incident of "keeping the conversation open". We need to bring the stability guideline to a close and the alternatives section is causing some stress. I've put some options in my last comment. we should figure it out and get on with things[1] | 16:26 |
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| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ | 16:26 |
| cdent | [1] which is not to say we'll be done, we haven't even made it to freeze on this thing yet, so there may be yet more rounds of debate | 16:27 |
| elmiko | LOL i *love* option 4 | 16:27 |
| elmiko | but, i think i'd vote for option 2 | 16:27 |
| edleafe | I was about to add to the review, but if this is a guideline that will be used as the basis for a particular TC tag, we should only have one recommendation | 16:28 |
| elmiko | ooh, good point edleafe | 16:28 |
| elmiko | i could definitely get on board with that line of thinking | 16:28 |
| jroll | isn't the alternative to every api-wg spec, to ignore the spec? which is a valid option, as the api wg isn't a mandate but a recommendation? | 16:28 |
| jroll | edleafe: ++ | 16:29 |
| edleafe | I don't think we'll ever get agreement from everyone | 16:29 |
| elmiko | jroll: right | 16:29 |
| elmiko | probably no need to tell folks that explicitly | 16:29 |
| edleafe | So we need to record the overall consensus | 16:29 |
| cdent | I'd like to avoid the situation where the guideline doesn't have enough info in it to avoid the common questions of "why aren't you doing _____ instead" | 16:29 |
| dtantsur | cdent++ | 16:30 |
| jroll | that's fair | 16:30 |
| cdent | if we can rely on people reviewing the gerrit record then no problem | 16:30 |
| edleafe | cdent: that's different than providing alternatives | 16:30 |
| cdent | but if we can't then we need something | 16:30 |
| cdent | edleafe: yes, thus one of the options being "rename the section" | 16:30 |
| jroll | we often treat the 'alternatives' section in ironic like that - "how else could this be done, and why aren't we doing that?" | 16:31 |
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| elmiko | if we leave it in, i agree we need to change the language | 16:31 |
| edleafe | cdent: Or integrate those ideas into the rest of the document | 16:31 |
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| cdent | that's a reasonable 5th option yes | 16:31 |
| edleafe | IOW, we reccommend X. We considered Y, but because of Z we rejected it | 16:31 |
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| edleafe | jroll: but a spec and a guideline are two different beasts | 16:32 |
| cdent | edleafe: does it make sense for you to write a new patch fulfilling that option? | 16:32 |
| cdent | (the option 5) | 16:32 |
| jroll | edleafe: sure, just thought that data point might be useful | 16:33 |
| cdent | *crickets* | 16:34 |
| edleafe | The main problem is that there are people who simply do not like microversions | 16:35 |
| edleafe | Some of it is based on misunderstanding how they work | 16:35 |
| edleafe | Some is based on fears of misapplication | 16:35 |
| elmiko | some is technical ;) | 16:35 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 16:36 |
| rosmaita | some of it is fear of overhead and instability (of the implementation, not the api) | 16:36 |
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| edleafe | "Microversions are the worst system for API stability, except for all the others" | 16:36 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:36 |
| cdent | the walls have ears! | 16:36 |
| elmiko | cdent: i was just thinking the same, mention "microversions" and the channel really perks up | 16:37 |
| cdent | in some sense microversions are not germane | 16:37 |
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| stevelle | I have been tumbling around the ideas of alternatives to microversions and all I have right now is the opportunity to talk about an API maturity model | 16:37 |
| edleafe | elmiko: I thought if mentioning free bagels didn't attract a crowd, nothing would :) | 16:37 |
| stevelle | similar to Graham's comments | 16:37 |
| elmiko | edleafe++ haha | 16:37 |
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| edleafe | stevelle: I'd love to see that | 16:38 |
| cdent | the document goes out of its way to say "microversion are the available tool, but even they weren't, we've still got all these issues witt changes that impact stability" | 16:38 |
| edleafe | because I'm having a hard time figuring out how Graham's approach would work in the actual OpenStack world | 16:38 |
| stevelle | edleafe: great, we can hold that for thinking later | 16:38 |
| mugsie | edleafe: well, designate did it pretty successfuly | 16:39 |
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| dtantsur | my personal problem with microversions is not microversions themselves. it just look to me like a solution seeking for problems. hence my nitpicks on "why" and use cases. | 16:40 |
| cdent | let's roll back a bit | 16:40 |
| mugsie | my problem with microversions is that I do not think 90% of users will use them as they are so complex | 16:40 |
| edleafe | mugsie: I didn't follow designate's development history, so I'd have to read more on their problems and solutions | 16:41 |
| dtantsur | mugsie, no worries, we force them into using microversions (usually in a wrong way) by hiding features in old versions :/ | 16:41 |
| cdent | edleafe: are you willing to write up a modification of the document in the way described by your option 5? | 16:41 |
| edleafe | mugsie: interesting. The main point of microversions is that 90% of people will never have to know anything about them :) | 16:41 |
| edleafe | cdent: perhaps next week, as I'm on 50% PTO this week | 16:42 |
| mugsie | apart from the pewople who write tooling, or apps that talk to apis, or libraries | 16:42 |
| dtantsur | edleafe, this never worked like that (mostly due to bad implementations, not bad idea) | 16:42 |
| cdent | does anyone object to the option 5 idea which is to talk about the alternative in the body of document, rather than its own section | 16:42 |
| * jroll doesn't | 16:43 | |
| mugsie | cdent: depends on how it is proposed - it if is "this other way is wrong", I do | 16:43 |
| edleafe | In the Nova case, the 2.1 behavior is exactly the same. No new tooling or clients have needed to change to get a stable response | 16:43 |
| elmiko | cdent: no objection here | 16:44 |
| edleafe | mugsie: would you be willing to propose your alternative? | 16:44 |
| edleafe | IOW, have two proposals that people can compare? | 16:44 |
| cdent | #action edleafe to explore the apocryphal option 5 on the stability guideline | 16:44 |
| mugsie | edleafe: yes, but not for a few days | 16:45 |
| edleafe | mugsie: that's cool, since it doesn't seem like this thing is going to be solved in the immediate future | 16:45 |
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| mugsie | edleafe: ++ | 16:46 |
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| edleafe | cdent: I'd prefer to wait until I can read mugsie's proposal to write up a new version | 16:46 |
| edleafe | cdent: it seems like there is a lack of clear understanding on both sides as to what the other is talking about | 16:46 |
| cdent | that's okay with me, but there's some (minor) time pressure because of the tag stuff, but I don't think it matters that much | 16:46 |
| dtantsur | cdent, I think it's important to define a tag that people will want to get | 16:47 |
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| cdent | from my standpoint I just need to pass this particular ball to good hands | 16:47 |
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| cdent | dtantsur: good point | 16:47 |
| dtantsur | as it's written now, I don't quite care about this tag for ironic, even though we probably comply with the guideline | 16:47 |
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| cdent | k, let's move on? | 16:47 |
| cdent | # topic guidelines | 16:48 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:48 |
| cdent | jroll made a new one, which has had some interesting debate that probably needs to be resolved | 16:48 |
| cdent | #link add next_min_version https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446138/ | 16:48 |
| dtantsur | cdent, your #topic did not work btw | 16:48 |
| cdent | dtantsur: thanks whoos | 16:48 |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:48 |
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| jroll | yeah, there's just oen wedge in mine | 16:49 |
| cdent | and I think maybe perhaps pagination might be close? | 16:49 |
| cdent | #link pagination https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446716/ | 16:49 |
| cdent | and max length is a bit confused | 16:50 |
| cdent | #link max length tags: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447344/ | 16:50 |
| edleafe | The pagination started to descend into wanting implementation details | 16:50 |
| elmiko | yeah, that whole pagination ordering thing seems out of scope for the api guideline | 16:50 |
| elmiko | but maybe i'm just being myopic on this one | 16:50 |
| edleafe | elmiko: yeah | 16:51 |
| cdent | we should but more of our eyes on that, and it should be ready to freeze for next week (it has no current reviews) | 16:51 |
| elmiko | that just smells like a per-project issue depending on how they handle resources | 16:51 |
| cdent | s/but/put/ | 16:51 |
| edleafe | more like per query/resource | 16:51 |
| elmiko | the point that Qiming made about 404, _may_ be valid. not sure | 16:51 |
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| cdent | the 404 thing is weird | 16:51 |
| cdent | 404 is always weird with collection resources | 16:52 |
| elmiko | yeah | 16:52 |
| elmiko | this is like the issue we had awhile ago about returning 404 if a referenced resource in the body json is not there | 16:52 |
| edleafe | I thought of 410 instead | 16:52 |
| edleafe | Gone | 16:53 |
| * elmiko looks up 410 | 16:53 | |
| elmiko | ahh, yeah | 16:53 |
| cdent | 410 is for signifying very permanent goneness | 16:53 |
| cdent | and could apply to the url without parameters | 16:53 |
| edleafe | BUt yeah, applying a single resource construct to a collection is weird | 16:53 |
| cdent | that's the issue here | 16:53 |
| edleafe | A 'next' request is saying "give me some more resources, starting with this one" | 16:54 |
| cdent | s/with/after/ ? | 16:54 |
| edleafe | When "this one" is gone, how do we react? | 16:54 |
| cdent | (5 minutes) | 16:55 |
| edleafe | cdent: well, yea | 16:55 |
| edleafe | yeah | 16:55 |
| edleafe | same idea, thoguh | 16:55 |
| edleafe | jeez | 16:55 |
| dtantsur | I still feel like it's 404, dunno... | 16:55 |
| edleafe | though | 16:55 |
| edleafe | It's definitely an edge of an edge case | 16:56 |
| cdent | edleafe: you've been spending too much time with my typing | 16:56 |
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| cdent | #topic bugs | 16:57 |
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| cdent | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 | 16:57 |
| cdent | there's one new one, which is about tag lengths, mentioned above | 16:57 |
| cdent | so it is in progress, but some indecision on need to have it or not | 16:57 |
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| cdent | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:57 | |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:57 |
| cdent | I guess I'll do it this week and ping people in for a proof | 16:58 |
| cdent | any last words? | 16:58 |
| elmiko | muchas gracias | 16:58 |
| edleafe | "Either these curtains go..." | 16:58 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:58 |
| jroll | thanks cdent | 16:58 |
| cdent | despite our assertions last week that we were a bit quiet lately, seems there are actually many things to talk about | 16:59 |
| cdent | I guess that's good | 16:59 |
| elmiko | yeah, totally! | 16:59 |
| dtantsur | :) | 16:59 |
| elmiko | good attendence today, thanks all =) | 16:59 |
| cdent | thanks everyone for coming and helping make it interesting | 16:59 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 16:59 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 17:00:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-23-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-23-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-23-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: tbachman annak: hi | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
| annak | hi! | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 18:01:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| igordcard | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:01 |
| igordcard | hi all | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#March_23rd_2017 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so most of the newton sync patches merged over the past few days | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for the work and the reviews | 18:02 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: congrats! | 18:02 |
| * igordcard claps | 18:02 | |
| * tbachman knows that was no small effort | 18:02 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: but still facing some niggling issues :-) | 18:02 |
| tbachman | :) | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: have to apologize to you since it created more work for you | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets go to QoS first | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS via NSP patch | 18:03 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: it's ok I invested on the wrong week to do it :p | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "QoS via NSP patch (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:03 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426436 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: :-( | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: so per your latest comment, this is in good shape now? | 18:03 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: it looks like it is, at least by comparing the latest nfp gate failures with the nfp gate failures of one of the last merged patch | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: nice | 18:04 |
| igordcard | I am disabling QoS entirely on the aim gate, is this ok? | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i was planning to look at it before the meeting, but got distracted with something else | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: oh | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: does it break if you dont? | 18:04 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: yeah and the errors weren't very explicit | 18:05 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: I believe it was mentioned back in the time that aim didn't have to support qos? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: yes, aim doesnt have to support | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: but i would be curious to know why it failed | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: so when you say you disabled qos, you mean which configuration? | 18:06 |
| igordcard | #link http://logs.openstack.org/36/426436/20/check/gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-aim-ubuntu-xenial-nv/fd4ebeb/console.html#_2017-03-21_22_10_08_099496 | 18:06 |
| rkukura | I’m part way through reviewing that patch, and thought the devstack config looked reasonable | 18:07 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426436/22/devstack/override-defaults | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay got it | 18:07 |
| rkukura | It does not add the QoS extension driver for AIM, but does otherwise | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: that looks fine to me | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, that is fine for now | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so great, rkukura i was going to request you to review, but looks like you are already on it | 18:08 |
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| rkukura | yes | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if nothing major, lets try to merge it before it diverges more | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: we would have to backport to stable/newton | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and then the question is if we should backport it to stable/mitaka as well | 18:09 |
| rkukura | only comment so far other than ripping out the clean_session stuff had to do with the exception text | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i ah | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *ah | 18:09 |
| rkukura | I’m not sure I understand the original text either | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so looks like it will need another rebase :-( | 18:10 |
| * rkukura will be back in about 2 minutes | 18:10 | |
| igordcard | great, feel free to leave all the comments there and I'll fix and rebase on the next patchset | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic NFP patches | 18:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NFP patches (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:11 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | the other big thing I had were the NFP patches | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | oh and there is songole right on cue :-) | 18:12 |
| songole | Hi | 18:12 |
| songole | Wrong timing :) | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: lol | 18:12 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:13 |
| * igordcard thanks all and gracefully leaves to get home | 18:13 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so you and hemanth are mostly shepherding the NFP patches | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks a bunch for taking the time to join! | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: good night! | 18:13 |
| igordcard | :) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: a disruptive patch just merged | 18:13 |
| songole | What is it? Qos? | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | disruptive in the sense that it requires a rebase for other patches | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: no, QoS not merged yet | 18:14 |
| songole | Ah. | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh, I should have mentioned this in the bigger context - we are completely eliminating all the “clean_session” stuff | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448885/ | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so this eliminates the use of the clean_session flag | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but it causes merge conflicting with the existing patches | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you see conflicts thats the first thing you need to take care of | 18:16 |
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| songole | ok | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: other than that, how are we doing on the NFP patches? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: there were some patches which tried to fix the NFP gate job, and which we merged, but the gate job is still broken | 18:18 |
| songole | we are facing a few issues with lbaasv2 | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ah okay | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: do we need to discuss here? | 18:18 |
| songole | in the base mode where we used to use the namespace lb implementation | 18:19 |
| songole | without having to launch a VM for lb | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ah, but you can do that any more? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *cant | 18:19 |
| songole | looks like it. default is octavia | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bummer!!! | 18:20 |
| songole | which spins up a vm | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hmmm | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay i see the difficulty now | 18:20 |
| tbachman | LBaa(!OS)S | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: :-) :-( | 18:20 |
| songole | lol | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mixed feelings | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so there is no way to adapt the old driver to v2? | 18:21 |
| songole | so, it may take sometime to get the tests running | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just to validate the gate | 18:21 |
| tbachman | I think you can still use LBaaSv2, but it’s deprecated | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i think you mean v1 | 18:22 |
| * rkukura finally back | 18:22 | |
| tbachman | ah | 18:22 |
| tbachman | k | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and v1 is totally out of newton | 18:22 |
| tbachman | it will finally hit us at some point | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence the issue | 18:22 |
| songole | ash said there might be a way to use namespace in v2 | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: that said should the tests work on mitaka? | 18:23 |
| * tbachman was confused | 18:23 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: np, i know what you meant | 18:23 |
| songole | mitaka should be good | 18:23 |
| songole | the issue is only with newton | 18:23 |
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| songole | but nfp tests are failing on mitaka for a different reason.. | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so what i am suggesting is that to some small extent we can at least retroactively validate against stable/mitaka (but this will be after the backport, so master is already merged by then) | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ah okay | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: what happens if you dont launch the service instance in newton? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: can we fake the responses? | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: just so that we can dervie benefit from all the other things in that gate test | 18:25 |
| songole | Will explore the idea | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: right now since the whole job fails we cant tell what is broken | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay thanks | 18:26 |
| songole | got it | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: anyting else you want to bring up on the NFP patches today? | 18:27 |
| songole | nothing more.. | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay things | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we are seeing some DB perplexing DB issues when running newton (with aim_mapping driver) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which are not noticed in the gate | 18:28 |
| * tbachman listens in | 18:28 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you hit any wierdness, get in touch with me, might save you some time | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: we think that the session is somehow leaking across threads | 18:29 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: sounds familiar ;) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: again :-) :-( | 18:29 |
| tbachman | I was always a little nervous when we backed out the expunge_all | 18:29 |
| tbachman | b/c I wasn’t convinced we no longer had a root cause | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i think the expunge all would have created even more problems | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: but thanks for bringing that up | 18:30 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack. but it was something that let us know that there might be a problem there | 18:30 |
| tbachman | (i.e. that it was a possibility) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i had lost track of the fact that neutron does some expunging in newton | 18:30 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: do you have any logs of the more recent failures? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: initially i had patched that but then i let it be there | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: these are in the deployment, i think jishnu refreshed the fab | 18:31 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: will send you once we are able to reproduce them again | 18:32 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thx! | 18:32 |
| * rkukura back in moment | 18:32 | |
| * tbachman may be working on the same problem with Jishnu in parallel | 18:32 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i also ran into a very wierd issue in stable/mitaka | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: ah right | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the issue is complicated to explain | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but basically I was seeing this exception - “ResourceClosedError: This transaction is closed" | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know exactly where it is happening | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but not why! | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have a workaround | 18:33 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: are you able to bring up a working devstack on newton consistently? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but need to get the root cause | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: the devstack installation is happening in every gate job run | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so yes | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i tried last week on my system | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not this well | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *week | 18:34 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: this is only on Mitaka? | 18:34 |
| songole | right. | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: and yes, this later issue on mitaka | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: the session sharing issue on newton | 18:35 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: so this isn’t related to the problem you were seeing with the newton sync | 18:36 |
| tbachman | (b/c it’s mitaka) | 18:36 |
| tbachman | (i.e. caused by the addition of the context manager) | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: no | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yes, mitaka issue has probably been around | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: its just that we didnt catch it | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: the issue is that all the DB operations are committed | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | however, when the outer most transaction context exits, the exception is thrown | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (i am referring to the resource closed) | 18:38 |
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| * tbachman wishes he had slayed that dragon when he first encountered it :( | 18:39 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is the trace from that: #link https://www.pastiebin.com/58cd90f6bce04 | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i dont know if its just one dragon | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and for the newton issue, this is the trace: #link https://www.pastiebin.com/58d16e63140f9 | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we dont have a lead on the newton issue | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the mitaka issue, like i said, i have a workaround, but its not committed in code | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the newton issue gets triggered only when we use a heat template to exercise the system | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and you are looking at this, #link https://www.pastiebin.com/58d01638c9db3 | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so three DB issues, when the aim drivers are used | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just want to make sure everyone is aware in case you hit them | 18:42 |
| rkukura | I’ve looked at the log, but that’s about as far as I’ve got. Seems it retries and succeeds. | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah there is no functional issue there | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think this might be on account of the expunge that neutron is doing | 18:43 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Where is that expunge? | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so i recall that before the extension attributes get processed, the expunge gets call | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *called | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am really not comfortable with that expunge but i did not patch it since it was not breaking things in the gate tests | 18:45 |
| rkukura | right - I’ll look and see if that could be related | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: just do a grep and you will see it | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think its in a couple of places | 18:45 |
| tbachman | it’s weird — how come we don’t see the parent class implementation in delete_policy_target? | 18:46 |
| tbachman | (in the trace) | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is the neutron code that i am referring to, not GBP | 18:46 |
| tbachman | (the one for stable/mitaka) | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: its difficult to read that trace in the way things get called on account of the decorators involved | 18:46 |
| tbachman | yeah | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: you will flip even more if i tell you how the workaround works | 18:47 |
| tbachman | :) | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, not a very happy place right now! | 18:48 |
| tbachman | :( | 18:48 |
| * tbachman hands SumitNaiksatam a snickers | 18:48 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: :-) | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: so if you are running tempest tests, be warned | 18:48 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thx | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not that its very helpful just saying that :-) | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we might have to pool our collective wisdom at some point to get past these DB issues | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, if not else for today, we can stop here | 18:50 |
| annak | i wanted to suggest something small | 18:50 |
| annak | on a much smaller scale :) | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: yes please, and thanks for all the newton patches! | 18:50 |
| annak | to move to neutron_lib pep8 factory | 18:51 |
| annak | instead of neutron | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: okay | 18:51 |
| annak | i think that's what we're supposed to do. | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: sure then we should | 18:51 |
| annak | ok :) i'll do that | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: i havent explored that | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: great, thanks! | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: did you see any issues using newton with the vmw backend? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean GBP newton | 18:52 |
| annak | the vmw plugin is still very minimal, and no, no GBP-specific issues | 18:53 |
| annak | lots of backend-specific issues :) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: hmmm, okay | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: we are seeing these issues when we have concurrent operations | 18:53 |
| annak | I am still far from testing anything under load, but thanks, i'll keep that in mind | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: so may be if you have a test suite which exercises things in parallel, perhaps you can report back your experience | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: yeah | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, thanks all for joining | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:55 |
| annak | bye! | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:55 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 18:55:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-23-18.01.html | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-23-18.01.txt | 18:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-23-18.01.log.html | 18:55 |
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