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| TheJulia | #startmeeting ironic_ui | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 14 18:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TheJulia. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_ui)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_ui' | 18:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 18:00 |
| jroll | \o | 18:00 |
| ppiela | hello | 18:01 |
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| TheJulia | Our agenda for this week: | 18:01 |
| TheJulia | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-ui#Agenda | 18:01 |
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| TheJulia | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 18:02 |
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| dtantsur | o/ | 18:03 |
| TheJulia | #info Per a discussion with robcresswell, we should not expect guidance on improving testing from the horizon team until the end of Pike-1 | 18:03 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 18:03 |
| TheJulia | Does anyone else have anything announcement worthy? | 18:03 |
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| ppiela | Not me | 18:03 |
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| crushil | \o | 18:04 |
| TheJulia | Then moving on | 18:04 |
| TheJulia | #topic Current Status | 18:04 |
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| TheJulia | #info TheJulia updated launchpad bugs earlier today, so it should be considered the source of truth moving forward. | 18:05 |
| TheJulia | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-ui | 18:05 |
| TheJulia | #info ppiela sent a note to the Operators mailing list soliciting feedback. No replies as of yet. | 18:06 |
| * dtantsur wonders what can be done to grab more attention to the project | 18:07 | |
| TheJulia | If anyone has feedback from with-in their organizations regarding the ironic-ui, it would be helpful to direct that feedback to ppiela. | 18:07 |
| dtantsur | we did not get to properly testing it so far.. | 18:07 |
| dtantsur | btw I'd give https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-ui/+bug/1663840 high or critical priority, if you ask me | 18:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663840 in Ironic UI "add devstack plugin" [Undecided,New] | 18:08 |
| TheJulia | Sounds like we're already moving on :) | 18:09 |
| TheJulia | Does anyone have any other status information to convey? | 18:09 |
| dtantsur | ooops, sorry :D | 18:09 |
| TheJulia | No worries :) | 18:09 |
| * TheJulia hears crickets | 18:09 | |
| TheJulia | #topic Planning/Priorities | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning/Priorities (Meeting topic: ironic_ui)" | 18:10 | |
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| TheJulia | We have several new bugs that could use input from the community regarding prioritization, so I figured it would just be easiest to go through them quickly. | 18:10 |
| TheJulia | #info 3 outstanding/new bugs need priority set. | 18:11 |
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| TheJulia | Starting with the first one... | 18:11 |
| TheJulia | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-ui/+bug/1671567 | 18:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1671567 in Ironic UI "UI has no way to get/set a node's current boot device" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Miles Gould (mgould) | 18:11 |
| * dtantsur votes low/wishlist | 18:12 | |
| jroll | ditto | 18:12 |
| dtantsur | users don't need to actually do that too often, if ever, right? | 18:12 |
| TheJulia | I think this should also be low or wishlist | 18:12 |
| jroll | dtantsur: that's my thought | 18:12 |
| TheJulia | If there are no objections, low? | 18:12 |
| TheJulia | With some semblance of console support, I could see it being a logical troubleshooting aid in a sense. | 18:13 |
| TheJulia | ppiela: any thoughts? | 18:14 |
| * TheJulia wonders if ppiela has gone afk | 18:15 | |
| TheJulia | Anyway, We can always change it later if we decide otherwise. | 18:15 |
| dtantsur | yep, it's not too hard | 18:15 |
| TheJulia | #agreed bug 1671567 to low | 18:15 |
| openstack | bug 1671567 in Ironic UI "UI has no way to get/set a node's current boot device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1671567 - Assigned to Miles Gould (mgould) | 18:15 |
| TheJulia | #undo | 18:16 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #agreed bug 1671567 to low | 18:16 |
| ppiela | sorry, on another call with my boss | 18:16 |
| TheJulia | #agreed bug 1671567 to low priority | 18:16 |
| dtantsur | or to put it different: asking for forgiveness is easier than for permission :D | 18:16 |
| TheJulia | ppiela: eek, sorry for the interruption then :) | 18:16 |
| TheJulia | Next up | 18:16 |
| TheJulia | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-ui/+bug/1663840 | 18:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663840 in Ironic UI "add devstack plugin" [Undecided,New] | 18:17 |
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| crushil | I feel it is critical or at least high | 18:17 |
| dtantsur | as I mentioned above, this may delay adoption, so high/critical | 18:17 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur earlier indicated he thought this was high/critical, I'm inclined to agree that it is also critical | 18:17 |
| jroll | +1 from me | 18:17 |
| TheJulia | Okay, seems like we are agreeing on critical | 18:18 |
| TheJulia | #agreed bug 1663840 to critical priority | 18:18 |
| openstack | bug 1663840 in Ironic UI "add devstack plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663840 | 18:18 |
| TheJulia | And third and final for the day | 18:19 |
| TheJulia | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-ui/+bug/1672729 | 18:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672729 in Ironic UI "UI is unaware of driver composition node *_interface fields." [Undecided,New] | 18:19 |
| jroll | I'd say it's high/critical by the end of this cycle | 18:19 |
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| crushil | +1 | 18:19 |
| TheJulia | I would also agree it is high | 18:20 |
| dtantsur | yeah, at least high | 18:20 |
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| ppiela | me too | 18:20 |
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| TheJulia | Awesome! | 18:20 |
| TheJulia | #agreed bug 1672729 to high priority | 18:20 |
| openstack | bug 1672729 in Ironic UI "UI is unaware of driver composition node *_interface fields." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672729 | 18:20 |
| TheJulia | Any other items that require prioritization or planning at this time? | 18:21 |
| * TheJulia guesses the answer is no, but wanted to raise the question anyway | 18:21 | |
| TheJulia | #topic Discussion | 18:22 |
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| TheJulia | ppiela raises the first discussion topic, which is should the ironic-ui be targeting more recent API versions. ppiela If your able to, I would kind of like you to elaborate a little more. | 18:23 |
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| dtantsur | I may misunderstand the question, but it may be not unfair for ironic-ui from Pike to target the latest Pike API.. | 18:24 |
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| jroll | right, I guess I'm curious why we wouldn't do that | 18:25 |
| TheJulia | The ui's client invocation does have a version lock pin, presently at 1.20, essentially it is chasing ironic in terms of features and functionality. | 18:25 |
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| dtantsur | well, we're still doing the versioning wrong.. | 18:26 |
| jroll | dtantsur: ? | 18:26 |
| dtantsur | what should happen is ironic-ui learning the version and adjusting user experience accordingly | 18:26 |
| dtantsur | we've never been good at that though :) | 18:27 |
| jroll | ah, fair | 18:27 |
| TheJulia | I agree, although we're definitely not there in terms of functionality :) | 18:27 |
| dtantsur | thinking aloud about how all this versioning started :) | 18:27 |
| dtantsur | I think while we're still getting there, chasing master is probably the best idea | 18:27 |
| TheJulia | The primary version for the pin was a behavior change originally with node creation/enrollment | 18:27 |
| TheJulia | At this point, that need has passed, and I'm wondering if the ui might be able to consume latest, although it might not know how to present some of the data. | 18:28 |
| dtantsur | a client (e.g. UI) can have a minimum supported version as well. but again, that's for the future. a wishlist item. | 18:28 |
| jroll | eh, I think pinning is best, so we can't break it by accident | 18:28 |
| jroll | (or on purpose) | 18:29 |
| TheJulia | So, I think the agreement may be, to continue with what the UI is doing, pinning as new feature/functionality is added since we are chasing master's functionality | 18:29 |
| dtantsur | versioning idea assumes that you have a range supported by the client (e.g. 1.10 - 1.20) and supported by the server (e.g. 1.1 - 1.18) | 18:29 |
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| dtantsur | of which you pick the maximum supported by both (1.18 in my example) | 18:29 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, yes, that's the best idea at this stage of the development | 18:30 |
| TheJulia | #agreed Continue with API client version pinning for the time being, and consider evolving to better support API versioning as time goes on. | 18:30 |
| TheJulia | So the next item, is presently there is no separate view of ports, they are bound to hosts and and that is essentially the whole interaction with the node in the UI. | 18:31 |
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| TheJulia | However portgroups is a further evolution and my curiosity is if we should consider it to be a separate view into the data. I.e. see ports separately from nodes. | 18:32 |
| dtantsur | (full disclosure: I haven't seen ironic-ui in action) when I start with some UI, I kind of like having one entry point, from which I can develop everything else. | 18:32 |
| dtantsur | but probably separating is cleaner.. | 18:32 |
| jroll | yeah, I'm also unsure, idk how much it makes sense to interact with ports without interacting with nodes | 18:33 |
| TheJulia | I guess my question boils down to, how often does someone have to go look at just ports? | 18:33 |
| dtantsur | troubleshooting? | 18:33 |
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| jroll | every time I've used 'ironic port-*' it's been while troubleshooting a node | 18:33 |
| TheJulia | so perhaps the right thing to do is to more treat any full view of ports in the ui as troubleshooting enablement? | 18:34 |
| * TheJulia feels like we have consensus | 18:34 | |
| jroll | I'm not sure what troubleshooting begins with a port-list ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 18:35 |
| TheJulia | There is a case to have a stray port in the API, a separate view would help expose it, but if we fix the api such that doesn't happen, then it really wouldn't be needed | 18:36 |
| jroll | mmm, right | 18:36 |
| TheJulia | I guess further consideration and possibly making sure we have an open bug for that behavior | 18:37 |
| TheJulia | I'll take that as an action item to look into | 18:37 |
| jroll | that sounds reasonable to me | 18:38 |
| * dtantsur nods | 18:38 | |
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| TheJulia | #action TheJulia to look into the stray port creation case, and if we don't have a bug in ironic, open it as that is the main case for when a full port view would even really be needed. | 18:38 |
| TheJulia | Okay, two final discussion items! \o/ I guess ppiela's item from open discussion is worth raising now, since the last item is less important. | 18:39 |
| JayF | A little late; but one thing we could consider is when ironic-ui has a devstack plugin, to increase visibilty, add a note to ironic devstack guide on how to also enable ironic-ui | 18:39 |
| * JayF would probably build his devstack with UI by default in that case | 18:39 | |
| * dtantsur too | 18:40 | |
| TheJulia | ppiela inquires if the ui should be using node "reservation" value to limit submission of actions? | 18:40 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, not sure if I understand it.. like do nothing if this field is not empty? | 18:40 |
| dtantsur | s/do nothing/wait/ | 18:40 |
| jroll | JayF: +1 | 18:40 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: wait if the field is populated, I think. | 18:40 |
| JayF | TheJulia: I'd look at the CLI as an example: it has the same information, but still submits the request and lets the api complain | 18:40 |
| JayF | TheJulia: I think that's the best path forward | 18:40 |
| JayF | TheJulia: why add the complexity of what is allowed when, when the API is supposed to indicate that with response codes? | 18:41 |
| jroll | yeah, I agree with that | 18:41 |
| * dtantsur cannot make up his mind, but tends to trust JayF | 18:41 | |
| jroll | but beyond that, it might be useful to use the response code combined with whether reservation is null to give a more useful message :) | 18:41 |
| TheJulia | I kind of think it might not make sense, since what JayF points out regarding the api client as well as there is a delay between the information being seen by a user and then action being able to be taken | 18:41 |
| TheJulia | so even if the field is not empty, that field might clear moments later but the data returned the api client is then out of date | 18:42 |
| JayF | dtantsur: don't you put that evil on me ;) we're in big trouble if 'trust Jay' is proof :P | 18:42 |
| dtantsur | haha | 18:42 |
| TheJulia | JayF: lol | 18:42 |
| JayF | TheJulia: if we made etags required, I could see more value in waiting at that point | 18:42 |
| JayF | TheJulia: beacuse you're almost guaranteed the tag will change before you can update, if the node is reserved | 18:43 |
| JayF | TheJulia: but I'm arguing against making etags required in that spec soo..... :) | 18:43 |
| TheJulia | I tend to think of this as the reservation will typically be power state checks, which are transient, I kind of feel like nothing really needs to change, but that is just my perception. | 18:44 |
| dtantsur | we can make them required for UI without making them always required | 18:44 |
| TheJulia | I guess I'm more worried about UI interaction being blocked because a momentary transitory thing happening in the background | 18:44 |
| jroll | TheJulia: +1 | 18:45 |
| JayF | dtantsur: Yeah, someone in that spec wants to make them always-required, which I'm extremely -1 to :) | 18:45 |
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| JayF | TheJulia: I mean, I just think with a project that doesn't have a lot of contributors, the answer to any question is KISS | 18:45 |
| TheJulia | JayF: +1 | 18:45 |
| JayF | the simpler it is the easier it will be to maintain with less [wo]manpower | 18:45 |
| dtantsur | ++ to that | 18:45 |
| TheJulia | So it essen like "lets just leave this as-is, and not worry" | 18:45 |
| TheJulia | err, it seems | 18:46 |
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| TheJulia | #agreed We should not use the reservation field to block UI behavior as there are transitory background actions. | 18:46 |
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| TheJulia | So the last discussion item, was simply a question to the community asking if there is anything we can do to improve testing velocity? | 18:48 |
| dtantsur | you mean, amount of people testing ironic-ui or...? | 18:48 |
| TheJulia | With a lack of guidance from horizon on improving plugin testing, perhaps some community members have ideas? | 18:49 |
| dtantsur | you can try chatting with tripleo-ui folks, in case they have ideas | 18:49 |
| jroll | selenium is the thing the frontend world tends to use, afaik | 18:49 |
| dtantsur | there is some overlap between the projects | 18:50 |
| dtantsur | also yeah, I've heard the word "selenium" as well :) | 18:50 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: Good idea | 18:50 |
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| TheJulia | jroll: That is kind of what I've been thinking, having used it in the past. :) | 18:50 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, jtomasek or akrivoka are people to grab, I guess | 18:50 |
| robcresswell | Selenium is still in the requirements for Horizon too. Tempest plugin is another possibility. | 18:50 |
| jroll | tempest plugin? O_o | 18:50 |
| * JayF has never known anyone who used Selenium and was happy about the decision | 18:51 | |
| TheJulia | JayF: heh | 18:51 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, we had so many problems with selenium that we dropped our integration tests. | 18:51 |
| JayF | I'm not an expert in the field, so IDK anything specific, but I know I've heard more rants from UI people about selenium than all other topics combined | 18:51 |
| JayF | lol | 18:51 |
| jroll | ah hrm | 18:51 |
| jroll | there's another thing, I forget what it is | 18:51 |
| * jroll googles around | 18:51 | |
| robcresswell | I mean it broke every other week and totally hosed the gate | 18:51 |
| JayF | cucumber? | 18:51 |
| JayF | I remember cucumber for some reason. | 18:51 |
| TheJulia | robcresswell: That is good background for us | 18:51 |
| jroll | cucumber is a ruby thing afaik | 18:52 |
| TheJulia | JayF: A lot of people use cucumber to drive selenium | 18:52 |
| * jroll asks friends | 18:52 | |
| JayF | aha, that makes sense then. I knew some of the frontend testers of a Rackspace control panel would use that | 18:52 |
| TheJulia | robcresswell: Mind if I chat you up a little this week and try to get a little more background regarding the selenium experience, as to what sorts of problems were being had? | 18:53 |
| TheJulia | #info It seems we need to do a little more research into testing possibilities for full blown integration testing of ironic-ui. A topic for a future meeting. | 18:54 |
| TheJulia | Since we only have 5 minutes left, if there are no screaming of "Noooo!", I'm moving us to Open Discussion | 18:55 |
| TheJulia | #topic Open Discussionf | 18:55 |
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| robcresswell | TheJulia: Sure | 18:55 |
| TheJulia | #undo | 18:55 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Open Discussionf | 18:55 |
| TheJulia | #topic Open Discussion | 18:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: ironic_ui)" | 18:55 | |
| TheJulia | Any one have any items for discussion that are not on the agenda? | 18:56 |
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| JayF | I'll just say in general, I don't intend on doing any real work towards ironic-ui, the leading reason of which is that I've never done frontend work before :) | 18:56 |
| JayF | but I do intend to keep up on what's going on, drop into meetings, etc | 18:56 |
| TheJulia | JayF: Awesome! | 18:56 |
| JayF | feel free to ping me if there's anything I can help with that is /not/ writing js or whatever :P | 18:56 |
| TheJulia | :) | 18:57 |
| dtantsur | JayF, ditto | 18:57 |
| TheJulia | Well, since I'm only otherwise hearing crickets, it seems like this meeting is about over. Thank you everyone! | 18:57 |
| crushil | \o | 18:57 |
| TheJulia | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 14 18:58:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_ui/2017/ironic_ui.2017-03-14-18.00.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_ui/2017/ironic_ui.2017-03-14-18.00.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_ui/2017/ironic_ui.2017-03-14-18.00.log.html | 18:58 |
| jroll | thanks TheJulia :) | 18:58 |
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