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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 14:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | o/ | 14:00 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:00 |
| shuyingya | o/ | 14:00 |
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| tellesnobrega | lets wait a couple minutes for more people to join | 14:01 |
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| tosky | o/ | 14:02 |
| zemuvier | hi | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:03 | |
| vgridnev | Basically I've been concentrated on the internal stuff and also I spent some time to request experimental multinode job for sahara test needs; + draft change to enable sahara with Apache + mod_wsgi. I hope that soon I'll be able to prepare a separate job to test that | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm working on images generations and coordinating the api v2 effort. Special thanks to shuyingya for taking a lot of that work | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442382/ | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443568/ | 14:04 |
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| zemuvier | i am working on adding new cli tests to tempest plugin | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | also, I'm trying to read all info I have to read on being ptl (it is a lot) but I'm catching up to it | 14:04 |
| esikachev | hi. i am working on spec for sahara-scenario api | 14:04 |
| esikachev | and sahara-ci stability | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | I have a question for vgridnev, there is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1669264 do you know what is the approach for fixing it? | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1669264 in openstack-manuals "Update Data Processing service options in Configuration Reference for Ocata" [High,Confirmed] | 14:05 |
| shuyingya | I am working on APIv2 recently | 14:05 |
| tosky | I was investigating an issue which is visible when you need to pass parameters for data-processing in tempest.conf, there are some bugs in the way plugins are implemented | 14:05 |
| tosky | QA team was really helpful | 14:06 |
| tosky | also, still planning a release of sahara-tests 0.4.1 "really soon" | 14:06 |
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| tellesnobrega | tosky, is that related to the patch the andrea upload just now? | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, to be honest, no | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, no problem, I'll ask around | 14:07 |
| tosky | tellesnobrega: yes, even if that patch is not really required to fix the issue; it is a cleanup to not hide possible future issues, there are two other fixes in tempest which are relevant | 14:07 |
| kk_ | o/ | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | we need to check what options added or removed in ocata, I don't think that there is so much of such stuff | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, great | 14:08 |
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| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, I don't think so too | 14:08 |
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| tellesnobrega | any more news? | 14:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | not so much sahara news but I had a talk accepted to the summit | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, nice | 14:10 |
| shuyingya | kk_ is working on refactoring CDH plugin | 14:10 |
| vgridnev | can you post a link, jeremyfreudberg ? | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, will you be able to attend it? | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | vgridnev, they don't have a finalized schedule yet. so no link yet | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | kk_, hi, I believe we haven't met? it appears you work with shuyingya let me know if you need anything from me | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Specs / features status | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs / features status (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:12 | |
| kk_ | I'm linjiasen , kk is my nickname. hi tellesnobrega. | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | Image gen status we are moving forward, not as fast as I expected but we are moving, hopefully we will have something up for review soon | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | jeremyfreudberg, https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/vote-for-speakers/#/18278 ? | 14:13 |
| kk_ | I recently think about how to refactor CDH plugin | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | APIv2 finally got some momentum and we already have some patches merged and some on the way to be merged, this is exciting and faster than I expected | 14:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | vgridnev, yes that is my accepted talk | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks to all involved | 14:14 |
| zemuvier | jeremyfreudberg: how did you know that your talk is accepted? | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | zemuvier, go to https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ and one of my talks says "Accepted" instead of "Received" | 14:15 |
| shuyingya | congratulations jeremyfreudberg~ | 14:15 |
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| zemuvier | i have only 'received' one :( | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | zemuvier I think they are still deciding | 14:16 |
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| zemuvier | as far as I know the final decision will be on the end of march | 14:17 |
| zemuvier | so we are still waiting for acceptance | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | anyone else on spec and features status? | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | we are also expecting results on a talk | 14:17 |
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| shuyingya | tellesnobrega, vgridnev what should I do to change the field in database as you commented in my patch | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | nothing from me | 14:18 |
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| shuyingya | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443155/ | 14:18 |
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| tellesnobrega | I don't think anyone started plugin updates, that is our highest prio, we should get that started asap | 14:18 |
| armstrong | I show concern last time to contribute on code review and testing but still waiting | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | what field in the database? | 14:18 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, are we planning to just do copy-paste for CDH 5.10 or do we want to try refactor | 14:19 |
| shuyingya | I think we should rename the field job_id -> job_templates_id, but that may lead to saharaclient error | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, it would be best to refactor cdh first | 14:19 |
| tosky | shuyingya: does saharaclient access the database directly, or do you talk about a parameter in the API? | 14:19 |
| shuyingya | jon_id -> job_templates_id in job_executions | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, would this break compatibility? | 14:19 |
| shuyingya | yes | 14:19 |
| shuyingya | I think so | 14:20 |
| kk_ | tellesnobrega, vgridnev . could you please give some advice about refactoring CDH ? ^^ | 14:20 |
| vgridnev | Just do it | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | kk_, you have to think on what is common code and should be in the same place | 14:21 |
| shuyingya | https://github.com/openstack/python-saharaclient/blob/master/saharaclient/osc/v1/jobs.py#L234-L249 | 14:21 |
| vgridnev | Ok, not so much, actually, we need to remove deprecated versions first | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | this will avoid copy and paste | 14:21 |
| vgridnev | armstrong, what concern? | 14:21 |
| tosky | shuyingya: but we should not break compatibility | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | i guess this will be first step, then you can think of ways to avoid future situations like this | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, breaking compatibility is not good at all. If this is the case you should leave as it is and we update when we move to apiv2 for good | 14:22 |
| armstrong | vgridnev to start contributing, I am new to this working group and showed interest not concern sorry | 14:22 |
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| shuyingya | yep, I think so. So I want to confirm with you. ^^ | 14:23 |
| shuyingya | tellesnobrega | 14:23 |
| kk_ | ok , I see . Thank you! tellesnobrega , vgridnev. | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | kk_, no problem | 14:24 |
| shuyingya | kk_ \o/ | 14:25 |
| kk_ | ^^, hi , yingya. | 14:26 |
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| vgridnev | armstrong, I can't understand you. You don't have plans to contribute, right? If so, what's wrong and what we should fix? Just wondering | 14:27 |
| armstrong | vgridnev I want to contribute | 14:27 |
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| armstrong | and need a good starting place (point) | 14:27 |
| armstrong | how do I go about it? | 14:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | armstrong, have you used sahara before? | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | armstrong, you could take a look updating plugin version, it is a good way to get to know the code | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | spark and storm are easy ones to do so | 14:28 |
| armstrong | Yes I used it but not intensively | 14:29 |
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| armstrong | tellesnobrega OK I will take a look at that | 14:29 |
| armstrong | thanks | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | no problem | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | let me know how it goes and I will help you | 14:30 |
| vgridnev | armstrong, please keep us updated on this, if you have questions / problem, just ping me, or tellesnobrega | 14:30 |
| jeremyfreudberg | armstrong, easy task can also be adding some more unit tests, check out the sahara-coverage job on a recent patch | 14:30 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | good way to get familiar with code base | 14:30 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, true | 14:31 |
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| shuyingya | and tellesnobrega, what do you mean in the mail list about the cross project liaisons? If you need more hands, let me know. | 14:31 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:31 |
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| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, I was going to bring this up now | 14:32 |
| tellesnobrega | We need people to act as bridge between projects, I'm working with elise on documentation and I'm also release management liaison but I can't do it all | 14:32 |
| tellesnobrega | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 14:32 |
| tellesnobrega | please take a look on this list, and find something that you think you could help and let me know | 14:33 |
| armstrong | jeremyfreudberg I will do just that | 14:33 |
| armstrong | thanks | 14:33 |
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| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, you've been added to vulnerability management group for sahara project | 14:33 |
| vgridnev | https://launchpad.net/~sahara-coresec | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | I saw that, thanks | 14:34 |
| vgridnev | so, you will be able to see all security issues for sahara; but we don't have them now | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, great for both :) | 14:35 |
| vgridnev | so, we have some slots without assignee | 14:37 |
| vgridnev | Oslo, for example | 14:37 |
| vgridnev | Vulnerability Mg | 14:38 |
| shuyingya | I think I can be oslo project liaisons | 14:38 |
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| shuyingya | tellesnobrega | 14:39 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, awesome, I want to help with that, I will set us both | 14:39 |
| tellesnobrega | agreed? | 14:39 |
| shuyingya | of course. | 14:39 |
| shuyingya | my pleasure | 14:40 |
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| vgridnev | QA: tosky for sure : ) | 14:40 |
| tosky | thanks :) | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, you are free to say no, but please don't :) | 14:41 |
| tosky | :D | 14:41 |
| tosky | I will continue to nag the QA team :D | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks :) | 14:41 |
| vgridnev | about Vulnerabilities, I think that tellesnobrega should coordinate that job (no so large to work right there) | 14:42 |
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| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, I was thinking the same thing | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | I will assign myself | 14:42 |
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| vgridnev | Logging working group, that is a group to improve logging in the project, shuyingya do you work with that? | 14:43 |
| vgridnev | Quite similar to oslo stuff | 14:44 |
| shuyingya | that would be nice | 14:44 |
| shuyingya | ^^ | 14:44 |
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| tellesnobrega | great guys | 14:44 |
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| vgridnev | Product Working Gr & I18n & Cross project spec volunteers? | 14:46 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i could do i18n | 14:48 |
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| tellesnobrega | sorry guys internet dropped | 14:50 |
| tellesnobrega | are you still here? | 14:50 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes | 14:51 |
| kk_ | yes | 14:51 |
| tellesnobrega | I believe we closed the liaisons topic | 14:51 |
| tellesnobrega | do we have anything else for today? | 14:51 |
| vgridnev | we almost closed that, yep | 14:52 |
| vgridnev | Product Working Gr & Cross project spec are still without liaison | 14:52 |
| tellesnobrega | cross project spec I can do that, product working group anyone wants to handle it? | 14:52 |
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| tosky | that would be more for product managers and co iirc, is it still relevant? | 14:53 |
| tellesnobrega | not sure, we can leave it empty for now and they will ping me if they need anything | 14:53 |
| tosky | oh, yes, they have even goals for Ocata | 14:54 |
| vgridnev | have to leave, nothing else from me | 14:54 |
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| tellesnobrega | ok | 14:56 |
| tellesnobrega | thank you guys | 14:56 |
| tellesnobrega | I will update the liaisons and next week we talk more | 14:56 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 14:56:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-03-09-14.00.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-03-09-14.00.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-03-09-14.00.log.html | 14:56 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 15:00:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | Hi o/ | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | Agenda for today is here: | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| mlavalle | We have one month for Pike-1 milestone, Apr10 - Apr14: | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | Any other annoucements from the team? | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:05 | |
| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Yesterday, with the help of haleyb we merged the second fix we were expecting for this bug: | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428774 | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | The first one was merged just a few days ago: | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423584 | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | So I guess the next step is to keep an eye on Kibana and see if we made a dent in the number of hits for this bug | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | Hopefully we drove it to 0 | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | I will be monitoring Kibana over the next few days] | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | any questions or comments from the team? | 15:10 |
| clarkb | you can write an elastic recheck rule for the bug and have it track for you if you havent already | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | clarkb: ok | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton left a comment a couple of days ago in the proposed solution: | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390594/ | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | so it seems we are back to the drawing board with this one | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I will take a closer look later today and maybe ping kevinbenton for some more guidance | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | any comments? | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to James Anziano (janzian) | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | I did a bit of analysis on this one | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton left a useful log debug sentence in the dhcp agent when this bug happens: | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/agent/linux/dhcp.py#L1303 | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | this was pointed out to me by janzian | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | so digging in kibana for this log message, I found 3 hits over the past 7 days | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | here I show, for one of the hits, side by side what happens in the dhcp agent and the neutron server: | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/602078/ | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | You can see there that in the neutron server, the creation of the dhcp port starts normally and in the middle of it, the subnet is deleted | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | so it seems to be another race condition | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | janzian: let's spend time tomorrow after lunch analyzing other instances of this bug. Is that ok with you? | 15:21 |
| john-davidge | great find! | 15:21 |
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| janzian | mlavalle: Sounds good to me, thanks again for your help with this :) | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:22 |
| janzian | Nope, I've been looking through Kibana as well but you've summed up all I've found myself | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509004 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | This one came up during the Neutron CI meeting a couple of days ago with haleyb and ihrachys | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | it seems it is really making noise in the gate | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | so I committed to give it some TLC | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | and that's all I have to say for the time being | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1634330 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1634330 in neutron "[RFE] add verification when narrowing allocation pool" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to zhichao zhu (rtmdk) | 15:26 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Hey, so I added this to the agenda | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | yeah I know | 15:27 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: I know this was triaged back in october but I only saw it this week | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | and because you added it, I took a look yesterday at the proposed fix: | 15:27 |
| john-davidge | I wanted to discuss the validity of the bug. This seems like expected behavior to me | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440648 | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | the fix was abandoned yesterday | 15:27 |
| john-davidge | Yes, but another was pushed to replace it | 15:28 |
| john-davidge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443400/ | 15:28 |
| john-davidge | I think they misunderstood the merge conflict | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | ahhhh | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | I was surprised earlier today when I saw it | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: so any insights? | 15:29 |
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| john-davidge | So, this change would potentially break workflows if people are using allocation pool resizing as it is today | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | by changing the api behavior.... | 15:31 |
| john-davidge | If the user/admin really wants their vms to stay inside the allocation pool, they can just kill and re-add the port | 15:31 |
| john-davidge | or at least update the fixed ip | 15:31 |
| john-davidge | which is what they'll have to do anyway after this chnage | 15:31 |
| john-davidge | so I don't think it adds anything of value | 15:32 |
| john-davidge | Does anyone have an opposing view? | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: yeah, I've ran into situation before wehre modifying the behavior of the api, seen in isolation, might make sense | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | but given that we have users with workflows, it doesn't make sense anymore | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: I agree with you | 15:33 |
| haleyb | +1 | 15:34 |
| john-davidge | Great, in that case I'll mark the bug as invlaid with an explanation | 15:34 |
| john-davidge | thanks all | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: thanks for bringing this up | 15:34 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: no problem | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs from the team | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:35 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Prefix Delegation | 15:36 |
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| baoli | Hi All | 15:36 |
| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413137/ | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | baoli: you are on | 15:36 |
| baoli | Thanks Brian for his +2 | 15:36 |
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| haleyb | thanks for working on it | 15:37 |
| baoli | Would appreciate review from others | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | I nwill review it over the next few days. I added it to my backlog | 15:37 |
| baoli | malvalle: thanks! | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | It has some code and a lot uf unite tests, LOL | 15:38 |
| baoli | malvalle: I have to address some flaws/bugs in the unit test. Thanks haleyb to find a bug in the tests. | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | that's ok. it just caught my attention :-) | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #topic Creating subnets without an allocation pool | 15:42 |
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| mlavalle | I think this one was also added by john-davidge | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | and I took a look at the proposed WIP patchset | 15:43 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Ah yes, thank you for your comments on the patch after last week's meeting | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | the approach seems sensible to me | 15:43 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: I believe Sindhu will be following up soon with a new patch using one of your suggested approaches | 15:44 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: All the references you gace will be very helpful, thank you | 15:44 |
| john-davidge | *gave | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: great, I'm glad you and Sindhu found it useful | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:44 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: not from me, thanks | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:46 |
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| mlavalle | I added a pointer to the RFE in our etherpad | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | so we have it handy | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | it was marked as triaged by kevinbenton a week ago | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | so let's hope it is discussed soon during the drivers meeting | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | I am ready to help with a spec and the code | 15:48 |
| john-davidge | Yes, last week's drivers meeting was cancelled, but hopefully it will be discussed today | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | cool | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | let's move on | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:50 | |
| mlavalle | any other topic folks want to bring up to the team's attention? | 15:50 |
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| john-davidge | Oh I have one | 15:51 |
| john-davidge | I commented on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432506/ this week with a concern, but I've been unable to test it | 15:52 |
| john-davidge | Is anybody able to verify if that's a real issue? | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | john-davidge: I'll try to play with it | 15:53 |
| haleyb | i think the problem is the refresh is expensive, did you need someone to test it? | 15:54 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Thanks :) | 15:54 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: So that patch is kind of doing two things at once | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: go ahead and test it also | 15:55 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: The refresh cost is the main thing it's fixing, but in the process it's getting rid of source-specific filtering for RA traffic | 15:55 |
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| haleyb | john-davidge: right, but only those ports should be sending | 15:56 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: My concern is that could lead to VMs picking up prefixes for other subnets, particularly in networks using service subnets | 15:56 |
| john-davidge | I could of course be completely wrong, but my dev environment has been all jacked up this week | 15:57 |
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| haleyb | no, i hadn't thought of that, was always thinking they saw all RAs for subnets on the network | 15:58 |
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| mlavalle | ok, I think we ran out of time, we can continue this in channel | 15:59 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Right now they'll only get RAs for their own subnet due to the SG rule. | 15:59 |
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| haleyb | i will test and look at review again | 15:59 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Thanks :) | 16:00 |
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| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 16:00:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-09-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-09-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-09-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 16:00:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| * mlavalle traditionally waves back at cdent :-) | 16:00 | |
| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chair elmiko edleafe | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | who we have today beside elmiko and edleafe ? | 16:00 |
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| cdent | #topic last meeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last meeting (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:01 | |
| cdent | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-02-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| cdent | there were no action items from the last meeting | 16:01 |
| cdent | #topic | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:01 | |
| cdent | #undo | 16:02 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic | 16:02 |
| cdent | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic and new biz (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:02 | |
| edleafe | thought you were getting zen on us | 16:02 |
| cdent | agenda, for referene is: | 16:02 |
| cdent | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
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| * cdent is always a bit zen | 16:02 | |
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| cdent | Our first order of business is to honor etoews who has had to step down from his api-wg duties. | 16:03 |
| * cdent passes out virtual beer | 16:03 | |
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| * edleafe raises virtual glass | 16:03 | |
| cdent | to etoews | 16:03 |
| * elmiko raises virtual glass | 16:03 | |
| knikolla | o/ hi | 16:03 |
| * cdent drinks | 16:04 | |
| * elmiko drinks | 16:04 | |
| * edleafe sips delicately | 16:04 | |
| * elmiko pours some out for biggie | 16:04 | |
| * cdent gives a beer to knikolla | 16:04 | |
| cdent | Okay, with that sad business done we can move on: | 16:04 |
| * knikolla thanks and drinks | 16:04 | |
| cdent | #topic finalizing stability guidelines | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "finalizing stability guidelines (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:04 | |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ | 16:05 |
| cdent | this is getting close | 16:05 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:05 |
| cdent | mtreinish said he had some small comments but was too busy yesterday with TC to get them down | 16:05 |
| cdent | and I've been too busy this week to incorporate other comentary | 16:05 |
| cdent | but what's there is light, so we're nearly there | 16:05 |
| edleafe | I still wish you had put the Monty reference in :) | 16:06 |
| cdent | the only caveat is that there's ongoing discussion that has not been reflected in the review, see: | 16:06 |
| cdent | #link http://p.anticdent.org/rsQ | 16:06 |
| cdent | I think there's plenty of monty in there, yeah? | 16:06 |
| cdent | if we see him everywhere, we don't need to use his name | 16:06 |
| * cdent needs to fix navigation in those logs | 16:08 | |
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| cdent | anyway, I'm not sure what else to say about this other than I think it might be important to have a very small section with reiterates that "these are the guidelines you should follow for interop, but if you're not following them, it's okay" | 16:09 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:09 |
| edleafe | What do you mean by "it's ok"? | 16:09 |
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| elmiko | the api police won't show up at your repo, i think | 16:10 |
| cdent | that | 16:10 |
| * elmiko still waiting for his api police badge | 16:10 | |
| edleafe | but will you be able to qualify for the stability tag? | 16:10 |
| cdent | there's quite a lot of concern, especially since the glance-related chaos with QA, that these guidelines will be wielded to prevent code from merging | 16:11 |
| cdent | edleafe: no! | 16:11 |
| elmiko | edleafe: i wuold think not | 16:11 |
| edleafe | then I guess the "don't worry, it's fine" has to be clear on that | 16:11 |
| cdent | but people have demonstrated that they will wield the guidelines in situations where people are not asserting they follow them | 16:11 |
| cdent | yes, of course, the quote above is a stub | 16:11 |
| elmiko | yeah, i have mixed feelings on the tags. i like them when they aren't used as cudgels to beat project with. | 16:12 |
| cdent | if either of you have ideas on how best to unstub, please put it on the review | 16:12 |
| edleafe | when have the guidelines been used in such a club-like fashion? | 16:12 |
| elmiko | i don't think i've witnessed them being used that way, but i've heard folks talk about them like that | 16:12 |
| edleafe | People seem to follow them as, well, guides | 16:12 |
| cdent | when glance was trying to fix those two things | 16:12 |
| elmiko | i'd hate to see it go that way | 16:12 |
| cdent | QA said "this doesn't follow (the existing) guidelines" | 16:13 |
| edleafe | cdent: I felt like it was more of the Tempest POV than the guidelines | 16:13 |
| cdent | there was both | 16:13 |
| elmiko | cdent: but is that different than saying "you don't follow tag X, get in line!" | 16:13 |
| elmiko | i think it is | 16:13 |
| edleafe | But they cited the guidelines to buttress their case | 16:13 |
| edleafe | and that is the appropriate thing to do | 16:13 |
| edleafe | they were using tempest failures as the club | 16:14 |
| elmiko | edleafe: yeah, that makes sense to me | 16:14 |
| elmiko | using it as evidence to support change is good | 16:14 |
| cdent | there's a lot of concern about this stuff (if you read the full hour or so of linked irc above you'll see it) being wielded in ways that people don't like | 16:15 |
| cdent | I want to be sure we acknowledge that concern | 16:15 |
| cdent | we don't have to agree with the concern | 16:15 |
| cdent | but saying we know it is there seems pretty important (to me) | 16:15 |
| elmiko | i agree | 16:16 |
| edleafe | yeah, I read that yesterday | 16:16 |
| edleafe | "son" | 16:16 |
| edleafe | :) | 16:16 |
| cdent | i say son, i say i say | 16:17 |
| cdent | anyway, shall we move on, I think we can address the rest of it on the review? | 16:17 |
| edleafe | The "just make a major release and make everyone move" thing is crazy. Didn't anyone learn from Nova V3? | 16:17 |
| cdent | I think the assertion, if I'm interpreting correctly, is that we learned the wrong thing or the incomlete thing. | 16:18 |
| cdent | #topic membership drive / blowing the dust out | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "membership drive / blowing the dust out (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:18 | |
| cdent | This is to give us a few moments to brainstorm about how we might get some more active participants and participation | 16:19 |
| edleafe | Free candy? | 16:19 |
| cdent | scottda: you with us today? | 16:20 |
| elmiko | i can share some experience from the ossg on how they grew membership, but i'm not sure we'll be able to duplicate their effort | 16:20 |
| cdent | We got free beer today, that's bettery than candy isn't it? | 16:20 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:20 |
| edleafe | Yeah, but only because our membership -= 1 | 16:20 |
| elmiko | right | 16:20 |
| edleafe | not a sustainable pattern | 16:20 |
| edleafe | elmiko: share away | 16:21 |
| elmiko | ok | 16:21 |
| elmiko | so, a big thing they did was to create some specific messaging about joining the "team", mainly through a blog and handouts that they pasted around at openstack events | 16:21 |
| elmiko | they also started to do "road show" type presentations that were like lightning talks with a common slide deck | 16:22 |
| elmiko | these presentations were held at several regional openstack events | 16:22 |
| elmiko | user groups, etc | 16:22 |
| elmiko | i think the blog, and the shared slide deck made a big difference | 16:22 |
| elmiko | the downside for us, is that these efforts required bodies and the ossg had several more folks than us | 16:23 |
| cdent | sounds like it also required, to some degree, travel budget | 16:23 |
| elmiko | i don't think just emailing the -dev list is going to help, we probably need to wrangle folks in the door | 16:23 |
| elmiko | cdent: yeah, that didn't hurt | 16:23 |
| elmiko | and frankly, security is much more sexy than api stuff | 16:23 |
| * cdent looks around the room | 16:24 | |
| cdent | yeah | 16:24 |
| elmiko | and it's tough enough to get orgs to spend on security, i can't imagine getting them to spend on api | 16:24 |
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| edleafe | true dat | 16:24 |
| elmiko | anyways, they had some nice actions that really helped out | 16:24 |
| edleafe | speaking of spending, what are the odds of each of you going to Boston? | 16:24 |
| edleafe | For me there's only a 20% chance I'll be there | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i _might_ be able to get there for the kubernetes day stuff | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i could at least make a case for that | 16:25 |
| cdent | It's extremely unlikely for me unless the foundation wants to fund me for two events in a row or I very quickly get a new employer | 16:25 |
| elmiko | oof | 16:25 |
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| elmiko | is there any assistance we could call on from tc or similar. like, if they view the api-wg as useful project, how can we get some help? | 16:27 |
| elmiko | imo, just asking the community is not working | 16:27 |
| edleafe | We could raise it at the next TC meeting | 16:27 |
| edleafe | See if they have any ideas | 16:27 |
| elmiko | oh, just remembered, another thing the ossg did well was engaging the cpls by attending their meetings and dragging folks in | 16:27 |
| cdent | I don't think the api-wg is suffering anything that other groups are not, but yeah, might be worth pinging | 16:27 |
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| cdent | it may also be the case that we are a little bit of a victim of our own success an we need revisit our goals a bit | 16:28 |
| cdent | a _lot_ of guidelines have been written over the last 2 years or so | 16:28 |
| elmiko | good point | 16:28 |
| edleafe | cdent: what do you mean by "victim of our own success"? | 16:28 |
| elmiko | i guess, is there a path to "maintenance mode" then? | 16:29 |
| edleafe | like, we're mostly done? | 16:29 |
| cdent | people aren't contributing because there's not as much to contribute | 16:29 |
| cdent | or at least not as much _obvious_ | 16:29 |
| elmiko | this is kinda why i thought it would be cool to have some code project for the api-wg, easier to keep folks around | 16:30 |
| elmiko | but, maybe too far outside our stated purpose | 16:30 |
| cdent | we talked about a guideline tester as well as a reference framework | 16:30 |
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| elmiko | right | 16:30 |
| edleafe | elmiko: something like API Flake? | 16:30 |
| cdent | but both of those are quite a lot of work | 16:30 |
| elmiko | edleafe: yeah, that would be cool as well | 16:30 |
| elmiko | right | 16:31 |
| cdent | and money/time/etc | 16:31 |
| elmiko | yeah | 16:31 |
| elmiko | same old story | 16:31 |
| cdent | I think we're probably better off figuring out ways to make casual and small contribution more available and accessible | 16:31 |
| elmiko | agreed, that makes more sense | 16:31 |
| cdent | the current bugs are really topic holders for people in the know | 16:31 |
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| cdent | and those of us in the know only address them sometimes (edleafe had a very good run for a while) | 16:32 |
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| edleafe | So our major focus is a) writing the guidelines and b) mediating disputes on API design | 16:32 |
| edleafe | cdent: yeah, that was when I had like nothing to work on in Nova | 16:33 |
| elmiko | c) fix bugs | 16:33 |
| cdent | and we seem to be doing okay on that focus. it's not like we have a problem, now, it's more concern about the future | 16:33 |
| elmiko | once you're "in the know" | 16:33 |
| elmiko | yeah | 16:33 |
| cdent | so maybe we should just roll with it | 16:34 |
| elmiko | i guess | 16:34 |
| cdent | until one more of us is fully gone things are okay enough, but not ideal | 16:34 |
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| elmiko | yeah, i can keep attending meetings and devoting maybe like 1-2 hours extra a week to the group, but that's my limit currently. i do apologize, but it's what i've got :/ | 16:35 |
| cdent | that's a lot better than fully gone | 16:35 |
| elmiko | i just feel bad because i'm kinda out of touch with the openstack world | 16:35 |
| cdent | we're not going to solve this today, but we should carry on thinking about it in the background. I do think that talking to the tc about it is probably wise. | 16:35 |
| edleafe | can't give what ya ain't got | 16:35 |
| cdent | should we do that formally or casually? | 16:36 |
| elmiko | i vote formally | 16:36 |
| edleafe | I thought this was a better topic for the bar track at PTG | 16:36 |
| edleafe | Yeah, I can add an item to their agenda | 16:36 |
| elmiko | probably true edleafe | 16:36 |
| cdent | #action edleafe to make a tc agenda item | 16:36 |
| cdent | i was too tired most of the time to reach the bar | 16:37 |
| elmiko | only downside to bar tracking this topic is that it becomes really difficult to get an actual action item | 16:37 |
| cdent | let's move on? | 16:37 |
| edleafe | elmiko: dunno - seems pretty easy to get people to commit to drinking beer | 16:37 |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:37 | |
| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:37 |
| cdent | oops | 16:38 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:38 |
| elmiko | edleafe: LOL | 16:38 |
| elmiko | edleafe++ | 16:38 |
| cdent | nothing ready there | 16:38 |
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| cdent | dulko has said that he hasn't got time to continue on capabilities | 16:38 |
| elmiko | given that comment, we should change the name from api-wg to beer-wg, we'll have people beating down the door ;) | 16:38 |
| cdent | and pagination is also stalled | 16:38 |
| cdent | i'll do a new version on stability asap | 16:39 |
| edleafe | Pouring guidelines; ideal temperature; and the like | 16:39 |
| elmiko | cool, i'll make some time for reviews | 16:39 |
| elmiko | yeah, totally! | 16:39 |
| elmiko | and then we sneak in talk of api couched in the language of beer, it'll be awesome | 16:39 |
| * cdent can't wait for the debates on which cup or glass to use with which beer | 16:39 | |
| elmiko | oh man... holy wars already | 16:39 |
| cdent | fisticuffs! | 16:40 |
| edleafe | Or the americans insisting that all beer be ice-cold | 16:40 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:40 | |
| cdent | no new bugs | 16:40 |
| cdent | #topic back to opens | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "back to opens (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:40 | |
| elmiko | good, bugs in beer make it too crunchy | 16:40 |
| cdent | I forgot to ask if anyone had any new business that's not on the agenda? | 16:40 |
| elmiko | i have a general question | 16:41 |
| edleafe | elmiko: +1 | 16:41 |
| elmiko | what ever happened to the openapi/swagger effort in openstack world? | 16:41 |
| cdent | at least some people decided that swagger was great for new apis (as a design and doc tool) but not so great for existing apis | 16:41 |
| cdent | especially ones with microversions | 16:41 |
| elmiko | ah, right, microversions kinda bork the whole openapi schema | 16:42 |
| elmiko | oh well | 16:42 |
| cdent | so the docs with swagger idea got killed in favor of a sphinx extension | 16:42 |
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| cdent | effectively the hegemony of nova squelched it | 16:42 |
| elmiko | right, ok thanks for the memory jog. i do remember that | 16:42 |
| edleafe | Idea for a summit talk: "the hegemony of nova" | 16:43 |
| elmiko | nova, the 2000lb gorilla | 16:43 |
| elmiko | haha, yes edleafe ! | 16:43 |
| cdent | you'd need a big room | 16:43 |
| cdent | any other new business? | 16:44 |
| elmiko | would be fun though | 16:44 |
| cdent | knikolla: did you have some api-wg business or were you just after free beer (which is just fine, btw)? | 16:45 |
| knikolla | cdent: it's something i would like to be more involved with | 16:45 |
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| elmiko | \o/ | 16:45 |
| elmiko | we love to hear that =) | 16:45 |
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| knikolla | cdent: i maintain openstack/mixmatch which is an api proxy between openstack deployments to allow services between them to communicate with each other | 16:46 |
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| cdent | a) awesome b) ouch! | 16:46 |
| knikolla | like attaching a cinder volume in cloud2 from nova in cloud1 | 16:46 |
| elmiko | interesting | 16:46 |
| elmiko | i agree with cdent though, ouch! | 16:46 |
| knikolla | elmiko: the api part is easy. the backend part is tough | 16:47 |
| cdent | I imagine you must encounter inconsistencies (consistency sort being the reason the api-wg exists)? | 16:47 |
| knikolla | cdent: a lot of them, mostly when we were trying to do aggregation instead of only simple routing | 16:47 |
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| knikolla | but i'm removing that functionality | 16:48 |
| knikolla | since it's baked into horizon now with k2k support. | 16:48 |
| knikolla | so it constraints it to only be a router based on resource_id and type | 16:48 |
| knikolla | which works pretty well | 16:48 |
| knikolla | vbrownbag talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0euqskJJ_8 if anyone is interested :) | 16:49 |
| cdent | it's a shame how much cool stuff is going on that there's so little time to explore | 16:49 |
| elmiko | neat, gonna give that a watch later | 16:49 |
| elmiko | cdent: so true... so true | 16:49 |
| knikolla | cool | 16:49 |
| * cdent puts it in the queue | 16:49 | |
| knikolla | pagination was the most inconsistent issue | 16:50 |
| cdent | yeah | 16:50 |
| knikolla | then glance v1 with their headers which apache skips | 16:50 |
| cdent | we have a stalled guideline on trying to make it consistent: | 16:50 |
| knikolla | and also chunked transfer encoding | 16:50 |
| knikolla | since it's not really wsgi | 16:50 |
| cdent | #link pagination https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390973/ | 16:50 |
| cdent | knikolla: should that problem go away as part of the move to hosting the services as proper wsgi apps with proper wsgi servers? | 16:51 |
| knikolla | cdent: that will be a problem when moving to wsgi | 16:52 |
| knikolla | since wsgi doesn't have that mechanism as a standard as far as i know | 16:52 |
| knikolla | it only really works in apache embedded mode | 16:52 |
| cdent | right, but most servers that host wsgi apps will do it for you | 16:52 |
| cdent | (under the right conditions, I thought) | 16:53 |
| knikolla | uwsgi does a pretty good job | 16:53 |
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| * cdent wishes we could all just leap to uwsgi | 16:53 | |
| knikolla | that would be awesome | 16:54 |
| cdent | there's some interest in that happening, but it is considered a big leap | 16:54 |
| cdent | (5 minute warning) | 16:54 |
| knikolla | even moving away from eventlet is pretty big | 16:54 |
| cdent | Can someone else be the newsletter author this week? | 16:55 |
| knikolla | a little further doesn't hurt | 16:55 |
| edleafe | cdent: sure, I can take a crack at it | 16:55 |
| cdent | thanks edleafe | 16:55 |
| elmiko | edleafe++ | 16:55 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:55 |
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| knikolla | which irc channel can i usually find you? | 16:56 |
| cdent | knikolla: there's pretty strong talk of switching to nginx+uwsgi in devstack, which would have a pretty big impact | 16:56 |
| cdent | #openstack-sdks is where the api-wg hangs out when meetings aren't happening | 16:57 |
| elmiko | wow, that is a big change | 16:57 |
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| knikolla | yeah, wow | 16:57 |
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| cdent | elmiko: the driver on that is that is that apache's log handling is limited when you have multiple services under the same host | 16:58 |
| cdent | (which is another goal) | 16:58 |
| cdent | the current virtualhost by port thing is icky | 16:58 |
| cdent | but if you change to using a prefix (like placement tries to), the logs get lost | 16:58 |
| cdent | or integratd with the main longs | 16:58 |
| elmiko | interesting, i'm really curious about the server techs. i've been reading up on the different usage patterns. | 16:58 |
| cdent | s/longs/logs | 16:58 |
| elmiko | the whole nginx v. apache thing is fascinating to me | 16:59 |
| knikolla | there's a lot of differences once you dive deep. | 16:59 |
| knikolla | https://github.com/openstack/mixmatch/blob/master/mixmatch/session.py#L21 | 16:59 |
| knikolla | example | 16:59 |
| cdent | times up | 17:00 |
| cdent | thanks for coming and the interesting discussion | 17:00 |
| cdent | continues in #openstack-sdks | 17:00 |
| edleafe | yep! | 17:00 |
| elmiko | knikolla: thanks! | 17:00 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 17:00:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-09-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-09-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-09-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| elmiko | cdent thanks! | 17:00 |
| knikolla | :) | 17:01 |
| cdent | edleafe: ping me when you want/need a proof | 17:01 |
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| rkukura | who’s here for GBP? | 18:04 |
| * tbachman waves | 18:04 | |
| annak | hi | 18:04 |
| igordcard | * is | 18:04 |
| * igordcard is | 18:04 | |
| rkukura | hi tbachman, annak, igordcard | 18:04 |
| igordcard | hi rkukura tbachman annak | 18:04 |
| rkukura | we are looking for SumitNaiksatam | 18:04 |
| tbachman | rkukura: I think he’s coming | 18:05 |
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| tbachman | igordcard: hi! | 18:05 |
| tbachman | Hi SumitNaiksatam! | 18:05 |
| rkukura | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: igordcard rkukura annak: hi | 18:05 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: now the autocomplete works :) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: :-) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | had to restart colloquy | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 18:06:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since igordcard is here, may be we can discuss the QoS patch first | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link QoS via NSPs patch | 18:06 |
| igordcard | alright | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS via NSPs patch | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "QoS via NSPs patch (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:07 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426436 | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: so you mentioned that the NFP tests are failing for an expected reason? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am seeing some DB errors in the logs | 18:08 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: I think there's still something wrong with the NFP job | 18:08 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431350/ | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | presumably from accessing DB objects outside of transactions | 18:08 |
| igordcard | that was merged with NFP problems | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay, possible | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: if you can confirm that the failures dont have anything to do with your patch, i would be inclined to merge your patch | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is songole here? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: we knew there were going to be transient failures with the NFP job even when we merged the “fix” | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: if its the same issue, then we are good to go ahead with your patch | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:11 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: the nfp failures included db issues in the link I linked above | 18:11 |
| songole | hello | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: sorry, linked above as in lined to what? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *linked | 18:11 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431350/ | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay | 18:12 |
| igordcard | iirc the GET for the PT is inside a transaction, but I have to look at the code again | 18:12 |
| igordcard | I will look again and give more info | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: songole: let me start and offline thread with you, and ash, to get a go ahead from him | 18:12 |
| songole | ok | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: as mentioned earlier, we need to cut the stable/newton sometime soon, and we want to ideally get this patch in before that | 18:13 |
| igordcard | but with the db sync issues in the merged patch above, it might happen that the qos patch is showing a negative consequence of such db sync issues | 18:13 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: yep | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hmmm | 18:13 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: send me the email and I'll follow through | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay thanks, ideally i would like to close this by monday | 18:14 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: unfortunately I really need to go now, this is trip time for me :( | 18:14 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: okay | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: oh sure, thanks for joining | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: enjoy! :-) | 18:14 |
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| igordcard | :) cya all | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Newton sync patches | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton sync patches (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:15 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:newton-sync | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | I was hoping to come into this meeting saying that we are ready | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bad news is that we are not yet, semi good news is that i am down to, what i think, is one remaining issue | 18:15 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: nice! | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you see this patch form annak: #link https://review.openstack.org/439247 | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you will see all the integration tests pass | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | note that the NFP integration tests are a pass through | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is work which needs to be done with the NFP modules before we can get that job to pass, but we are not gating on that for creating the stable/newton branch | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the CLI patch (from annak) and heat and UI patches (from me) are also ready | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and are being used in the above integration jobs | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are three failures in the py27 job, and they are all related to one issue | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am hoping this is mostly changing the expected values (since the nature and order of notifications has changed, and which is what is being tested) | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i promised last week that i would be adding a detailed commit messsage to facilitate the review, unfortunately i couldnt get to it | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yet | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but once i fix this py27 issue, i will have it in place, and then hopefully i can get some review love from the team | 18:19 |
| * tbachman nods | 18:20 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: i think your db patch and the CLI patches are ready, and can be removed from WIP | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks | 18:20 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: sure, I'll do that | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the first patch that will have to be merged obviously is this patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/426437 (once it passes the py27) | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: thanks | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please note that the integration tests will not pass on in my patch #link https://review.openstack.org/426437 | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | they will only pass on anna’s DB patch since it turns out that those changes are necessary in an installation (though not for the UTs to pass) | 18:21 |
| * tbachman realizes that there are some changes to the APIC and GBP L3 plugins that we probably want to port from upstream neutron | 18:22 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay, lets discuss | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: you mean follow up patches? | 18:22 |
| tbachman | yeah — there’s a patch in upstream neutron | 18:22 |
| tbachman | let me pull it up | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay | 18:23 |
| tbachman | this is a revert of a revert: | 18:23 |
| tbachman | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/9e7137f7f6c54e19821adf4aad7c3d1fd1e5ad6e#diff-e6ae0f3896f9c7fd927f93cb8bb52174 | 18:23 |
| tbachman | basically, if you restarted neutron-server, you could get warnings about processes forking after threading | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay | 18:23 |
| tbachman | they put infra in upstream nuetron to address this | 18:24 |
| tbachman | but there are some minor changes to the L3 plugin we should make | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: ah that opens another topic, glad you brought this up | 18:24 |
| tbachman | not a biggie, but just something I realized | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay | 18:24 |
| * tbachman can create said patch | 18:24 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so in general, there are things that i have addressed in this patch, and there are things which still need to be addressed | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most notably, expect to see a lot of deprecation warnings | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had to also disable some hacking checks | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so once we cut the branch, we would need to make these changes as well | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and of course, we can work on this parallel, so if anyone wants to jump in and take up some items, please feel free to do so :-) | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will outline, what is missing, in the commit message | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks in advance for volunteerint :-P | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *volunteering | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any thoughts on what you have seen so far? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: and rkukura and I have been having offline discussions | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | had some discussions with annak over emails as well | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and some with songole :-) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but here we can all discuss together if we see any issues with how we are moving forward with this | 18:28 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: you mean moving forward with addressing things like the deprecation warnings, etc.? | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: actually i meant what we have so far | 18:29 |
| tbachman | ah | 18:29 |
| rkukura | I agree on merging the current patches once they are working, and followuping up on other items afterwards | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know that the patches are in WIP | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, thanks | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so things were in a flux and not many people would have reviewed | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if nothing else on this, we can move on to NFP | 18:30 |
| songole | sorry, i need to leave now. | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: oh, okay | 18:30 |
| songole | I am at a conf | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i wanted to discuss the NFP patches with you :-) | 18:30 |
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| rkukura | We’ll need to decide what kinds of things we continue to backport to mitaka | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at this point i would imagine only bug fixes | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you propose being more restrictive even with the bugs? | 18:32 |
| rkukura | back-porting actual bug fixes is a given, I think | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:32 |
| rkukura | I’m think of ongoing improvements/features/etc., parficularly the APIC AIM stuff and NFP | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i agree that we should try to a model, where stable, means actually stable | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *try to move to | 18:33 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Did you say that we will be a cutting a stable/newton branch right away? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so far we have been driven by user requirements, and unfortunately they have been all over the place in terms of releases | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: after the sync patches merge | 18:34 |
| rkukura | Thought so, and newton is considered a long-term release, right? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that is right, at least from a RHEL distro perspective | 18:35 |
| rkukura | So anything being delivered to customers in the next few months will most likely need to be on master and stable/newton | 18:35 |
| rkukura | But maybe not on stable/mitaka | 18:35 |
| annak | any plans about ocata sync? | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i dont know about not being on the stable/mitaka, but i would hope not | 18:36 |
| tbachman | annak: kicking SumitNaiksatam while he’s barely off the ground ;) | 18:36 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:36 |
| annak | :)) just curious :) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was hoping no one would bring that up | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just kidding | 18:37 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:37 |
| rkukura | do we have any idea how much additional work would be involved in supporting ocata? | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: unfortunately i dont, and given the current experience i dont want to make any guesses :-( | 18:38 |
| rkukura | hopefullly less that ocata was a shorter cycle | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: we can start ocata sync immediately after we cut stable/newton | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: finger crossed | 18:38 |
| annak | ok | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: to give you a historical perspective, we cut stable/mitaka which neutron newton was still worked on | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: and my hope at that time was to immediately get GBP to sync with newton even before neutron stable/newton was cut | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and then fast forward to today :-) | 18:39 |
| * tbachman thanks SumitNaiksatam for taking on all the pain that is syncing with upstream | 18:40 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks, but it was team effort | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | during that time we focussed on NFP, and the drivers (mostly AIM) | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, we will skip the NFP discussion since songole is not here | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are a bunch of pending patches | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else for today? | 18:41 |
| annak | :) its a huge project and very few people.. | 18:41 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: it appears a bunch have just merged | 18:41 |
| tbachman | annak: we just picked up one more :) | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: you are already making a big contribution :-) | 18:41 |
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| annak | hopefully I'll be able to continue | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: definitely looking forward to it | 18:42 |
| annak | thanks :) me too | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty if nothing else, we can wrap up, and get back to doing real work :-) | 18:42 |
| rkukura | not sure of the timing on this, but are there any potential GBP-related sessions at the Boston summit? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good point | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think there was some talk about doing something on NFP, would need to check | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but, in general yeah, good time to plan | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: you can consider a presentation as well | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | based on the work you have done | 18:44 |
| annak | still not sure I'll make it there.. | 18:44 |
| rkukura | or a a joint presentation | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: okay, we can discuss offline | 18:45 |
| annak | ok | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alirghty, thanks all for joining | 18:45 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | see you next week, bye! | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:45 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 18:45:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-09-18.06.html | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-09-18.06.txt | 18:45 |
| annak | bye! | 18:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-09-18.06.log.html | 18:45 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:45 |
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