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soichi | hi | 05:32 |
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njohnston | ahoy | 05:32 |
kaz | hi | 05:33 |
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soichi | i'd like to wait several minutes. i hope reedip, yamamoto, and vynay is avaibale. | 05:34 |
reedip | 0/ | 05:34 |
soichi | reedip: hi | 05:34 |
reedip | hi soichi , glad to see u kaz and njohnston :) | 05:34 |
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soichi | #startmeeting taas | 05:35 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 05:35:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:35 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:35 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:35 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:35 |
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yamamoto | hi | 05:35 |
soichi | yamamoto: hi | 05:35 |
soichi | #topic: Loop detection of tap flows (cont.) | 05:35 |
*** openstack changes topic to ": Loop detection of tap flows (cont.) (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:35 | |
soichi | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 05:36 |
reedip | we should reduce the documentation on this page ! | 05:36 |
reedip | its getting out of hand :) | 05:37 |
soichi | reedip: do you have any good idea? | 05:37 |
reedip | soichi : to reduce the documentation on the wiki page ? | 05:37 |
soichi | yes | 05:38 |
reedip | soichi : yes, we do not need to keep the old agendas, as they would be covered in the meeting logs already | 05:38 |
reedip | If you still want to keep it, you can save it as a PDF and attach it here | 05:38 |
reedip | but it wont be too helpful as we are already discussing everything here | 05:38 |
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soichi | okay, i agree | 05:39 |
reedip | soichi : sorry, I didnt get time for the Loop detection study. I think in the last meeting, we decided that ideally we should block this feature ( creating a Tap Flow, whose source port is a Tap-Service) | 05:39 |
yamamoto | please create a separate wiki page and move the contents if you want to save old ones. not pdf. | 05:40 |
reedip | yamamoto : ok, and hi :) | 05:40 |
soichi | yamamoto: +1 | 05:40 |
kaz | +1 | 05:40 |
soichi | reedip: yes, we discussed how to gurad loop | 05:41 |
soichi | But, kaz syas loop can not be created | 05:41 |
soichi | #link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/attachments/20170118/eea51ee0/attachment-0001.pdf | 05:41 |
kaz | In the current implementation, I guess tap of tap mirrors just own traffic but not mirroed traffic. | 05:42 |
soichi | kaz: could you explain about the slide 1? | 05:43 |
kaz | In the current implementation, flow entry of tap-flow "IN" matches with the destination MAC address. | 05:43 |
reedip | kaz : are we considering bidirectional tap flows or only ingress ( input to VM) tap flows | 05:43 |
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kaz | reedip: yes | 05:44 |
reedip | kaz : yes for bidirectional or yes for ingress only | 05:44 |
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yamamoto | kaz: how about non unicast packets? | 05:44 |
kaz | reedip: bidirection :) | 05:44 |
reedip | ok | 05:45 |
kaz | yamamoto: non unicast packets also not match the rule. | 05:46 |
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yamamoto | kaz: it doesn't match the rule, sure. but i think there are separate rules for those packets. | 05:48 |
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reedip | kaz : still a bit unclear bcz of the use of DESTINATION keyword , because what u r stating in the slide is that the desitnation MAC which arrive at VM1 has VM1's MAC | 05:49 |
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yamamoto | anyway, our current concern is the api semantics, not the reference impl, right? | 05:50 |
kaz | yamamoto: yes | 05:50 |
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soichi | i agree to gurad createting tap-flow on the port which has a tap-service, as the api semantics | 05:51 |
soichi | actually, we had the gurad on the GUI (Horizon) that we have implemented | 05:52 |
reedip | soichi : we can also gaurd it on the CLI but it would be better if we put a single gaurd on the API than to put it on different front ends | 05:53 |
soichi | reedip: agree | 05:53 |
reedip | njohnston, yamamoto : can we define a device id or device owner for taps? | 05:55 |
reedip | # link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/a0e0e8b6686b847a4963a6aa6a3224b5768544e6/neutron/api/v2/attributes.py#L120 | 05:55 |
reedip | #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/a0e0e8b6686b847a4963a6aa6a3224b5768544e6/neutron/api/v2/attributes.py#L125 | 05:55 |
yamamoto | reedip: we can define anything. but why? | 05:56 |
njohnston | +1 to that | 05:56 |
reedip | yamamoto : that would be easier to check , isnt it ? | 05:56 |
yamamoto | reedip: for what? | 05:56 |
reedip | yamamoto : or do u want to check it with the db ? | 05:56 |
reedip | yamamoto: if we have the port object, then we can simply reference the device_owner/device_id for the port to identify if it is a tap_flow or not | 05:57 |
yamamoto | ah, i see. | 05:57 |
yamamoto | i don't think it's possible. | 05:57 |
yamamoto | because usually such a port belongs to compute and those fields are taken for that. | 05:58 |
reedip | yamamoto: when we create a port during creation of tap_service | 05:58 |
reedip | what would we put it in its device_id | 05:58 |
yamamoto | i don't see what's the benefit. | 05:59 |
reedip | currently we are specifying the network during creation of tap-service, and we create a tap_service_port ourselves | 05:59 |
yamamoto | currently? | 05:59 |
reedip | yamamoto : we can always refer the DB to see if the port id which is coming in as a source_port for tap_flow is already a tap_service | 05:59 |
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reedip | if you want that logic, then it will also work | 06:00 |
yamamoto | i thought we removed network_id from tap_service | 06:00 |
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reedip | yamamoto : u r right , sorry . I was referring the previous API | 06:01 |
yamamoto | i guess looking at ports table is no easier than looking at our tables | 06:01 |
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soichi | i think we need to consider this topic a little bit more. Let's continue to the next week. | 06:04 |
soichi | #topic: Open Discussion | 06:05 |
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soichi | Do you have any topic? | 06:06 |
yamamoto | anyone here is going to submit boston presentation? | 06:07 |
yamamoto | iirc dealine is around Feb 6 | 06:07 |
soichi | wow! | 06:08 |
soichi | currently, i have no idea for presentation | 06:08 |
reedip | yamamoto : I think we can put up a presentation for Tacker with TaaS | 06:09 |
reedip | but I am still trying to think the basics of it | 06:09 |
yamamoto | tacker? i have no idea how it's related with taas. | 06:09 |
reedip | tacker provides NFV solution to Openstack | 06:10 |
reedip | I was just thinking if we can do something with it | 06:10 |
yamamoto | it might or might not be a good idea. i don't have enough knowledge to comment right now. :-) | 06:12 |
reedip | umm , okay, let me see if it can be done | 06:12 |
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yamamoto | anyway thank you for showing the idea. | 06:13 |
reedip | yamamoto : sure, I will try and put up something related oto it | 06:14 |
reedip | njohnston : did ur taas devstack work ? | 06:14 |
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njohnston | it did! I was able to get it going once I made the taas stable/neutron same as the devstack branches. oversight on my part. thanks for all the help! | 06:15 |
yamamoto | good to hear | 06:15 |
reedip | :) | 06:16 |
reedip | nothing else from my side . BTW anyone coming to PTG ? | 06:16 |
yamamoto | i will be there | 06:16 |
soichi | i'm planning to attend PTG | 06:17 |
soichi | reedip: do we need to discuss how to put our presenation slides in the past summits as references? | 06:19 |
soichi | e.g. upload to SlideShare and put the link on the wiki | 06:19 |
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* njohnston will be at the PTG, see you there! | 06:20 | |
yamamoto | i guess anywhere convenient is fine as far as it's publicly accessible | 06:21 |
soichi | yamamoto: okay, thank you for your comment | 06:22 |
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soichi | no more topics from me | 06:24 |
yamamoto | me neither | 06:25 |
kaz | me too | 06:25 |
soichi | okay, thank you for today's discussions | 06:27 |
soichi | #endmeeting | 06:27 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 06:27:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:27 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-01-18-05.35.html | 06:27 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-01-18-05.35.txt | 06:27 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-01-18-05.35.log.html | 06:27 |
soichi | bye | 06:27 |
kaz | bye | 06:27 |
yamamoto | bye | 06:27 |
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claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 13:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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claudiub | hello hello | 13:00 |
claudiub | anyone here? | 13:00 |
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claudiub | soo, it seems there's no one else today. | 13:06 |
claudiub | just going to make a few quick notes and then end the meeting | 13:06 |
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claudiub | so. the Hyper-V OVS VIF driver finally merged in nova: https://review.openstack.org/140045 | 13:08 |
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claudiub | so did the Hyper-V vNUMA instances: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282407/ | 13:08 |
claudiub | pending patches would be the nested virtualization patch (https://review.openstack.org/398509) and the pci passthrough patch (https://review.openstack.org/420614) | 13:09 |
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claudiub | hopefully they still have a chance to merge, keeping in mind that the feature freeze is in 2 days | 13:10 |
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claudiub | other than that, the QoS utils necessary for networking-hyperv merged in os-win | 13:11 |
claudiub | and pci passthrough utils will merge in os-win soon as well. | 13:11 |
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claudiub | after that, we'll have to make a new os-win release | 13:11 |
claudiub | after that, we'll be able to merge the QoS support in networking-hyperv | 13:11 |
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claudiub | we'll also have to cut the stable/ocata branches as well. | 13:12 |
claudiub | and I'll have to update plenty of doc pages, as needed by all the commits above. | 13:12 |
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claudiub | that's pretty much the important stuff. | 13:13 |
claudiub | #endmeeting | 13:13 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 13:13:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:13 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-01-18-13.00.html | 13:13 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-01-18-13.00.txt | 13:13 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-01-18-13.00.log.html | 13:13 |
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sagar_nikam | Hi | 13:18 |
sagar_nikam | any one there | 13:18 |
claudiub | heya :) | 13:18 |
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sagar_nikam | sorry... i went to the wrong room and was waiting there | 13:19 |
claudiub | no problem. :) | 13:19 |
sagar_nikam | i went to openstack-dev by mistake | 13:19 |
claudiub | as i didn't see anyone, i've closed the meeting already. :) But i've posted a few notes | 13:19 |
sagar_nikam | i was thinking why the meeting has not started and then found i am in wrong room | 13:20 |
sagar_nikam | no problem | 13:20 |
sagar_nikam | ok will check | 13:20 |
sagar_nikam | we will meet next week | 13:20 |
claudiub | see here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-01-18-13.00.log.html | 13:20 |
claudiub | if you have any questions.. | 13:21 |
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mattjarvis | hello all | 14:02 |
tobberydberg | Hi Matt! | 14:02 |
zhipengh | hey | 14:02 |
tobberydberg | And everyone else as well 😊 | 14:02 |
yankcrime | hi | 14:02 |
mattjarvis | hey yankcrime | 14:03 |
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mattjarvis | #startmeeting publiccloud_wg | 14:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 14:03:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattjarvis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:03 |
mattjarvis | so I have to apologise, I have not had a chance to create an agenda for todays meeting | 14:03 |
mattjarvis | so it's a bit free form | 14:04 |
zhipengh | :) | 14:04 |
mattjarvis | also, it looks like for the next few weeks I'm going to be very busy, so it would be great if one of the new co-chairs could run this meeting for the next couple of times ? | 14:04 |
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yankcrime | on the subject of apologies, i've not yet completed my action from the last meeting to update the wiki and write up definition / constituency | 14:04 |
tobberydberg | No problem! | 14:04 |
mattjarvis | I have a new job, and it's taking up slightly more of my time than I thought it would :) | 14:04 |
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zhipengh | no problem | 14:05 |
zhipengh | we could rotate | 14:05 |
yankcrime | i'll get a draft sorted over the weekend, it's been a hectic couple of weeks since the new year | 14:05 |
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tobberydberg_ | I can take lead next meeting if that is ok | 14:05 |
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mattjarvis | thank you tobberydberg | 14:06 |
mattjarvis | so I have just created a brief agenda on the etherpad | 14:06 |
zhipengh | thx tobberydberg | 14:06 |
mattjarvis | could everyone add their names to the attendee list pls | 14:06 |
tobberydberg_ | Np | 14:06 |
seanhandley | Someone remind me of the Etherpad URL please :-) | 14:06 |
mattjarvis | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:06 |
seanhandley | ta mattjarvis | 14:07 |
mattjarvis | no problemo seanhandley | 14:07 |
seanhandley | Is this meeting every two weeks? | 14:07 |
mattjarvis | it is at the minute | 14:08 |
seanhandley | ok, I'll adjust my calendar | 14:08 |
mattjarvis | #topic review last meeting action items | 14:08 |
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mattjarvis | for some reason I couldn't find the meeting logs on eavesdrop | 14:08 |
mattjarvis | but I think we had two actions IIRC | 14:08 |
yankcrime | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/public_cloud_wg/2017/public_cloud_wg.2017-01-04-14.03.log.html | 14:08 |
mattjarvis | aha | 14:09 |
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mattjarvis | that link doesn't work from the eavesdrop meeting definition though | 14:09 |
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mattjarvis | I think maybe I did startmeeting wrong | 14:09 |
mattjarvis | its defined in eavesdrop as publiccloud_wg | 14:09 |
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mattjarvis | so first action was on me, to close the Doodle poll and announce the results | 14:10 |
mattjarvis | which hopefully everyone saw | 14:10 |
tobberydberg_ | Yes | 14:10 |
mattjarvis | given the number of votes, both tobberydberg_ and zhipengh are now co-chairs for this group | 14:10 |
mattjarvis | welcome ! | 14:10 |
mattjarvis | and thank you for volunteering | 14:11 |
tobberydberg_ | Thank you 😊 | 14:11 |
zhipengh | thx matt :) | 14:11 |
mattjarvis | second action was on yankcrime - to create a consituency/definitions section on the wiki based on the content in the etherpad | 14:11 |
mattjarvis | so that one can roll over | 14:11 |
mattjarvis | #action yank crime to create a consituency/definitions section on the wiki based on the content in the etherpad | 14:11 |
yankcrime | ta | 14:11 |
mattjarvis | final action was on zhipengh to distill Purpose sections down into a section on the wiki | 14:12 |
zhipengh | I think I move part of that to the wiki | 14:12 |
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tobberydberg_ | Only 5 people today? | 14:18 |
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mattjarvis | sorry guys, had to deal with a phone call | 14:21 |
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Miouge | tobberydberg_: 6 :) | 14:21 |
tobberydberg_ | Hehe....good 😊 | 14:22 |
mattjarvis | #topic Discuss goals | 14:23 |
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mattjarvis | so we started this discussion last time | 14:23 |
mattjarvis | and had some suggestions on the ether pad already | 14:23 |
mattjarvis | the first one was to generate some case studies which could be put into a white paper | 14:24 |
mattjarvis | shall we discuss that a bit further ? | 14:24 |
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mattjarvis | ideally I think we would come to an agreement of what the goals of this team are between now and the Boston summit | 14:25 |
zhipengh | should we first draft a skeleton for the white paper, and then people could fill in the blank | 14:25 |
mattjarvis | zhipengh, are you thinking a set of questions which we use for all the case studies ? | 14:26 |
zhipengh | yes we could have a set of questions for the case studies section, and I was thinking of a skeleton for the white paper as a whole, for example we might have Overview, Case Study, Findings | 14:27 |
zhipengh | and we could have more specific layouts for each section | 14:28 |
zhipengh | I think we could target Boston for a read out or something like that | 14:28 |
zhipengh | for the whitepaper | 14:28 |
tobberydberg_ | Sounds good regading white papers i think | 14:31 |
tobberydberg_ | So we get the same format of them all | 14:31 |
tobberydberg_ | I guess we could come to an agreement of the goals until Boston | 14:33 |
zhipengh | btw should we have short meetings at PTG ? | 14:33 |
mattjarvis | so would someone be willing to take an action to come up with a template for discussion ? | 14:34 |
zhipengh | I could come up with a template | 14:34 |
zhipengh | do we have a repo ? | 14:34 |
mattjarvis | #action zhipengh to come up with a template for case studies | 14:35 |
mattjarvis | so it sounds like we are agreeing that a set of case studies would be one of our milestones ? | 14:37 |
mattjarvis | how many cloud providers are represented in this group today ? | 14:38 |
tobberydberg_ | Not what I know of...regarding repo | 14:38 |
mattjarvis | i.e. how many case studies would be have if each brought one ? | 14:38 |
mattjarvis | we do not have a repo at the minute | 14:38 |
zhipengh | i think 2 -3 case studies should be enough | 14:39 |
seanhandley | DataCentred's happy to put forward a case study | 14:39 |
zhipengh | if we have more than that then we crunch them into 2 or 3 categories ? | 14:39 |
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tobberydberg_ | I'm representing one | 14:39 |
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mattjarvis | ok | 14:39 |
zhipengh | Huawei also will provide one :) | 14:39 |
mattjarvis | so we have at least 3 | 14:39 |
mattjarvis | sounds good | 14:39 |
tobberydberg_ | I can come up with one without peoplems | 14:40 |
zhipengh | phew job half done :P | 14:40 |
tobberydberg_ | Hehe | 14:40 |
mattjarvis | so do we think that is enough to aim for before Boston ? | 14:40 |
mattjarvis | we also had a suggestion to produce a document showing the common problem spaces for public cloud operators | 14:40 |
mattjarvis | ie. what's missing upstream | 14:40 |
zhipengh | that could be part of the white paper | 14:41 |
seanhandley | I've got plenty of thoughts there | 14:41 |
mattjarvis | there was some interesting discussion on the ops list re people's ideal features for Pike | 14:41 |
mattjarvis | and many of the things I could think of from a public cloud context were in there | 14:41 |
tobberydberg_ | I have some thoughts as well 😊 | 14:41 |
mattjarvis | i.e. everything we probably all implemented in our own management systems outside of OpenStack | 14:41 |
mattjarvis | so why don't we also take an action to collate those things | 14:42 |
mattjarvis | just as a list for now | 14:42 |
seanhandley | +1 | 14:42 |
tobberydberg_ | Agree | 14:42 |
mattjarvis | tobberydberg_, would you take this action ie. to collate from the rest of the group ? | 14:42 |
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mattjarvis | I know seanhandley also has a lot to add there | 14:43 |
tobberydberg_ | Absolutly! | 14:43 |
mattjarvis | #action tobberydberg_ collate list of problem areas of functionality from the group | 14:43 |
mattjarvis | seanhandley, tobberydberg_ - have a look at the thread entitled What would you like in Pike? on openstack-operators | 14:44 |
mattjarvis | there are also a bunch of stuff in there I know we implemented at DataCentred | 14:44 |
tobberydberg_ | I just call seanhandley and I'm all set 😉 | 14:44 |
mattjarvis | ok, so shall we vote that those two areas are what we will focus on until Boston ? | 14:45 |
tobberydberg_ | Yups, Will do that! | 14:45 |
tobberydberg_ | Sure | 14:45 |
seanhandley | tobberydberg_: Sounds good | 14:45 |
seanhandley | Seems well achievable in the time frame | 14:45 |
mattjarvis | #startvote agree milestones for Boston - produce 3 case studies of public cloud usage, identify common missing features for public cloud ? Yes, No | 14:45 |
openstack | Begin voting on: agree milestones for Boston - produce 3 case studies of public cloud usage, identify common missing features for public cloud ? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:45 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:45 |
mattjarvis | #vote Yes | 14:45 |
seanhandley | #vote Yes | 14:46 |
zhipengh | #vote yes | 14:46 |
tobberydberg_ | #vote Yes | 14:46 |
mattjarvis | any more votes ? | 14:46 |
mattjarvis | #endvote | 14:46 |
openstack | Voted on "agree milestones for Boston - produce 3 case studies of public cloud usage, identify common missing features for public cloud ?" Results are | 14:46 |
openstack | Yes (4): tobberydberg_, zhipengh, mattjarvis, seanhandley | 14:46 |
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mattjarvis | I will take an action to update the wiki | 14:47 |
mattjarvis | #action mattjarvis to update wiki with agreed milestones for Boston | 14:47 |
tobberydberg_ | Good! Thanks! | 14:47 |
mattjarvis | I think we are all set then ! | 14:47 |
mattjarvis | I am going to have to drop off this meeting a little early as I have another call | 14:48 |
mattjarvis | is there anything else anyone wants to bring up at this stage ? | 14:48 |
zhipengh | PTG meetngs ? | 14:48 |
zhipengh | i might missed the response on that question... | 14:48 |
mattjarvis | zhipengh, I can't add anything to that, as not attending PTG | 14:49 |
zhipengh | okey :) | 14:49 |
mattjarvis | anyone else have thoughts on that ? | 14:49 |
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zhipengh | no problem,just checking | 14:49 |
mattjarvis | :) | 14:50 |
seanhandley | Good stuff | 14:50 |
mattjarvis | great, then I will close the meeting | 14:50 |
seanhandley | Catch up in 2 weeks | 14:50 |
mattjarvis | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 14:50:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-01-18-14.03.html | 14:50 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-01-18-14.03.txt | 14:50 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-01-18-14.03.log.html | 14:50 |
mattjarvis | thanks all ! | 14:50 |
zhipengh | see yall | 14:50 |
seanhandley | tobberydberg_: Give me a shout when you want to chat over those requirements | 14:50 |
seanhandley | Bye folks o/ | 14:51 |
mattjarvis | and tobberydberg_ will chair next meeting | 14:51 |
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tobberydberg_ | Will do seanhandley | 14:51 |
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tobberydberg_ | See you all in 2 weeks! | 14:52 |
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rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 15:01:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:01 |
rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
kamil_ | o/ | 15:01 |
hosanai | o/ | 15:01 |
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bklei | o/ | 15:01 |
witek | oo | 15:01 |
jgrassler | o/ | 15:01 |
rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday January 18 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:02 |
rhochmuth | 1.Reviews: | 15:02 |
rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420579/ | 15:02 |
rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418509/ | 15:02 |
rhochmuth | Short agenda for today | 15:02 |
rhochmuth | let's get started | 15:02 |
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rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420579/ | 15:02 |
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dhague | o/ | 15:02 |
rhochmuth | Removes the monasca libs since they are not compatible with the new | 15:02 |
rhochmuth | kafka. | 15:02 |
rhochmuth | is anyone here to talk about this | 15:03 |
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bklei | i guess i don't know what that affects? | 15:03 |
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jgrassler | I guess that's me | 15:03 |
rhochmuth | i tried to track down joe prior to the meeting, but couldn't reach him | 15:03 |
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bklei | will that break rally/tempest tests? | 15:03 |
jgrassler | (dirk added it to the agenda but looks like he isn't here) | 15:03 |
rhochmuth | do we still want to try and cover today | 15:04 |
rhochmuth | without joe, we won't have the best representation from monasca | 15:04 |
dirk | o/ | 15:04 |
rhochmuth | as he know all the details and is familiar with the topic more so than me | 15:04 |
rhochmuth | but i can do my best | 15:04 |
bklei | it seems scary not knowing what it will break | 15:05 |
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rhochmuth | i guess there is a request for us to remove our libraries so that oslo can move to the latest python-kafka libraries, which has significant issues | 15:06 |
rhochmuth | hasn't joe sent out email on this topic | 15:06 |
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rhochmuth | i just discussed this again last week | 15:06 |
rhochmuth | the lates python-kafka libraries have got problems | 15:06 |
jgrassler | There was a fair amount of discussion on openstack-dev, yes. | 15:06 |
rhochmuth | additionally, they have moved to an async only model | 15:07 |
jgrassler | Performance issues with the latest python-kafka libraries. | 15:07 |
rhochmuth | which we can't use right now | 15:07 |
witek | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110357.html | 15:08 |
rhochmuth | it looks like the monasca team is doing all the analysis here | 15:08 |
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jgrassler | So the problem with Monasca's libraries being dropped from global-requirements is that they will be disregarded entirely from that point on, i.e. nobody will pay attention to whether the libraries the rest of OpenStack are compatible with Monasca. | 15:10 |
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jgrassler | It's halfway to dropping out of OpenStack entirely, really... | 15:11 |
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witek | jgrassler: agree | 15:11 |
jgrassler | Now most of Monasca doesn't share machines with other OpenStack services (barring the agent), but it's still not a good thing... | 15:11 |
rhochmuth | well, i just added a -1, but i'm confused why our libraries would be dropped | 15:12 |
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jgrassler | Halfway, not all the way. | 15:12 |
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jgrassler | Ok. So that's ruled out then. | 15:20 |
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jgrassler | And the problems with python-kafka in its current version are unsurmountable? | 15:21 |
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rhochmuth | well, i wouldn't call them unsurmountable | 15:21 |
rhochmuth | we would have to move to async | 15:21 |
rhochmuth | we are also very interested in the confluent kafka library | 15:22 |
rhochmuth | as it is reported to be faster and better supported | 15:22 |
rhochmuth | https://github.com/confluentinc/confluent-kafka-python | 15:22 |
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jgrassler | Ok | 15:22 |
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rhochmuth | but, the same issue about moving to async still need to be addressed | 15:23 |
rhochmuth | the main problem with async is the possiblty for message loss | 15:23 |
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rhochmuth | messages are buffered in memory and then sent as a batch asynchronousely | 15:23 |
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rhochmuth | if the api went down while the messages were still sitting in memory, then there is message loss | 15:24 |
rhochmuth | unfortunately, the http framework doesn't support response handlers or callbacks | 15:25 |
rhochmuth | we are looking at layering a sync api ontop of the async api | 15:25 |
rhochmuth | but it is more involved | 15:26 |
jgrassler | Yeah. That _is_ ugly. | 15:26 |
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rhochmuth | if we figured out the async issue, then we would gladly move | 15:26 |
jgrassler | Might be an idea to put that reasoning on that review as well (at a guess the oslo folks are only aware of the problems this situation creates for them) | 15:26 |
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rhochmuth | sure, we'll add comments to the review, but i thought the discussion in openstack-dev was sufficient | 15:28 |
jkeen | I explained the problems on the review and on the dev mailing list a couple times. Do you think what is on there now is sufficient? | 15:28 |
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jgrassler | I think there's just too much noise on the list :-/ | 15:28 |
rhochmuth | hi joe | 15:28 |
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rhochmuth | sounds like we should update the reviews with your findings/reasoning | 15:28 |
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jkeen | I did put an update on there about our reasons for avoiding async last night. | 15:29 |
rhochmuth | thx jkeen | 15:29 |
rhochmuth | so, unless there is more to discuss on this topic, maybe we should move on | 15:30 |
rhochmuth | i realize this is a touchy subject | 15:30 |
rhochmuth | and oslo really want to move | 15:30 |
jgrassler | Yeah | 15:31 |
jgrassler | One more thing: | 15:31 |
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jgrassler | I just had a quick chat with dirk (he's having connection trouble) | 15:31 |
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jgrassler | He said that Monasca geting dropped is unlikely to break stuff as long as coexistence of Monasca and other OpenStack services on the same machine is not required. | 15:32 |
jgrassler | (Also, python-monasca is still in there) | 15:32 |
witek | monasca-agent has dependency on monasca-statsd | 15:32 |
rhochmuth | well, we want coexistence | 15:32 |
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jgrassler | It puts us as distributor into a bit of a pickle, though because we cannot ship multiple versions of python-kafka in the same repository :-( | 15:33 |
rhochmuth | if the monasca libraires are removed, then the version of python-kafka used by monasca will be different than the one used by oslo | 15:33 |
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rhochmuth | that isn't acceptable | 15:33 |
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rhochmuth | it would have been nice if everything was in it's own virtualenv, but that isn't how openstack was structured | 15:35 |
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jgrassler | No, not really. | 15:36 |
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jgrassler | Maybe the oslo folks can be convinced to leave the old python-kafka in there for a bit longer. | 15:37 |
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jgrassler | As far as I recall they were upgrading because they didn't want to ship a deprecated python-kafka version the second time in a row. | 15:37 |
rhochmuth | sorry, why do we have to convince the oslo folks to use the library longer? | 15:37 |
dirk | because sticking to old versions should be exception not the rule | 15:38 |
jgrassler | If the old library remains in there, there's no reason to remove Monasca from global-requirements | 15:38 |
rhochmuth | moving to new incompatible libraries with lot's of issues that break existing projects should also be a consideration | 15:38 |
jgrassler | And maybe "We can adapt but it will take time" will get them to give you time. | 15:38 |
rhochmuth | the old library is deprecated, but at least it worked | 15:39 |
jgrassler | Well, as you said, Monasca originally got python-kafka in there. I don't think it's used a lot in the rest of Openstack. | 15:39 |
jkeen | It might be worth pointing out that this is also the first version of the 1.x series that even works. Up until 1.3 performance and stability was really bad. | 15:40 |
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witek | jkeen: do you mean the new Producer or SimpleProducer? | 15:41 |
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rhochmuth | jkeen had to leave the meeting | 15:42 |
rhochmuth | i think he is referring to Producer | 15:42 |
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witek | thanks | 15:43 |
dirk | what are the options? can you talk to the oslo.messaging team once more? | 15:43 |
witek | I think we should prioritize migration to the new library (kafka-python or confluent-kafka) | 15:43 |
witek | but not in short-term | 15:43 |
jgrassler | Yeah, short-term didn't sound viable. | 15:44 |
rhochmuth | i'll discuss more with jkeen, but i didn't get the sense that it was going to be easy | 15:44 |
jgrassler | But in that case it's even more important to talk to the oslo.messaging folks (and hopefully get them convinced to give you enough time). | 15:44 |
rhochmuth | jgrassler: ok, we will follow-up | 15:45 |
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rhochmuth | moving to next topic | 15:46 |
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rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418509/ | 15:46 |
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rbak | That's mine | 15:46 |
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rbak | I just wanted to get some eyes on this. Either get it merged or get some more feedback. | 15:47 |
rhochmuth | ok, i'll take a look | 15:47 |
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rbak | Thanks | 15:47 |
rhochmuth | seems like the biggest issues are around documentation and monasca-setup | 15:47 |
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rhochmuth | code is fine, except for resolving what to do about that | 15:48 |
rbak | Yeah, just some confusion over whether we have common standards for the documentation or monasca-setup | 15:48 |
rbak | I think we resolved the docs question, but whether this needs a monasca-setup flag is still up for debate. | 15:48 |
bklei | it's a good question -- do all config options belong in monasca-setup? if not, what's the criteria? | 15:49 |
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rhochmuth | i'm not sure there is a criteria | 15:50 |
rhochmuth | :-) | 15:50 |
rbak | I didn't look like all config options were in monasca-setup when I looked, but I'm not sure how we judge what belongs. | 15:50 |
rhochmuth | in general, i think we were trying to get everythingn in monasca-setup | 15:50 |
rhochmuth | but, i haven't looked at that yet | 15:51 |
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bklei | if that's the case, that's easy. add new stuff, add to monasca-setup, try to backfill as we refactor? | 15:51 |
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rhochmuth | i'll check with some of the folks here and try and get an answer or update to the review | 15:51 |
rbak | Sounds good. | 15:52 |
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rhochmuth | i guess we have a few minutes | 15:53 |
rhochmuth | any other topics | 15:53 |
rhochmuth | in closing | 15:53 |
bklei | not from me | 15:54 |
rhochmuth | ok, i'll see you all next week | 15:55 |
rhochmuth | bye | 15:55 |
JamesGu | @rhochmuth... just an fyi.... we are starting to look into port monasca devstack to Suse OS | 15:55 |
kamil_ | bye | 15:55 |
bklei | thx roland | 15:55 |
rhochmuth | thanks JamesGu. Nice to know. | 15:55 |
rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 15:55:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-01-18-15.01.html | 15:55 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-01-18-15.01.txt | 15:55 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-01-18-15.01.log.html | 15:55 |
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markvoelker | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 16:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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hogepodge | o/ | 16:00 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:00 |
markvoelker | #chair eglute hogepodge | 16:00 |
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openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:00 |
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eglute | o/ | 16:00 |
catherineD | o/ | 16:00 |
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markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.9 Today's Agenda | 16:01 |
markvoelker | Hopefully a quick meeting today. =) | 16:01 |
markvoelker | Thanks to folks who worked on the last handful of substantive patches for Cinder, Nova, and Swift...those have all landed now | 16:02 |
markvoelker | That means we're ready to cut the new 2017.01.json document | 16:02 |
eglute | yes, thanks everyone!!! | 16:02 |
markvoelker | Before we can do that, we need to correct a couple of small problems uncovered by our scripts | 16:02 |
markvoelker | Please take a quick look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422029/ | 16:02 |
markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422029/ Correct minor issues with next.json | 16:02 |
markvoelker | Nothing very controversial there, so hopefully we can merge that...now, ish. =) | 16:03 |
markvoelker | While you're in gerrit, please also take a look at: | 16:03 |
markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420877/ Fix project name of images-v2-index | 16:04 |
markvoelker | That one makes corrections to existing approved guidelines too...but it's just the project name for a particular capability | 16:04 |
markvoelker | (it was listed as Nova, should have been Glance) | 16:04 |
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luzC | o/ | 16:05 |
markvoelker | I think that falls under the Board's guidance that we can make nonsubstantive changes without requesting re-approval (though we will note the change for them) | 16:05 |
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hogepodge | lgtm, I'll let Egle workflow that one | 16:05 |
markvoelker | Thanks hogepodge | 16:05 |
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markvoelker | eglute if you're ok with that one I'll let it land before proceeding with cutting 2017.01 | 16:07 |
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eglute | yes, just waiting on jenkins right | 16:07 |
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eglute | Next topic I think! | 16:09 |
eglute | #topic ptg | 16:09 |
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eglute | hogepodge any changes to the space? | 16:10 |
hogepodge | There is extra space, so if we need it we just have to ask for it. | 16:10 |
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eglute | Lets ask for it! | 16:10 |
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hogepodge | It's only available on MT though, and do we need it if we're splitting folks between InteropWG and Interop Challenge and RefStack? | 16:11 |
catherineD | eglute: hogepodge: For RefStack, I plan to only involve topic that need Tnterop WG 's input at the PTG | 16:11 |
gema | so you need us on the meeting as well | 16:12 |
catherineD | it would be just like what we did in the past where the RefStack will take about 2 - 3 hours | 16:12 |
catherineD | gema: yes | 16:12 |
gema | ok | 16:12 |
eglute | catherineD that works for me | 16:12 |
catherineD | igordcard: see your email and thinking we can discuss the schedule here | 16:13 |
gema | sounds good | 16:13 |
eglute | and i guess if it is the same people for interop challenge, then we cant split it, not on same days :) | 16:13 |
hogepodge | yeah, I don't want to ask for space then have us not use it because we conflict with ourselves | 16:13 |
gema | yep | 16:13 |
luzC | hogepodge +1 | 16:14 |
hogepodge | markvoelker lost his internet, so eagle and I need to run the remainder of the meeting | 16:14 |
gema | it may make sense to work the 3 agendas into 1 | 16:14 |
catherineD | hogepodge: I think it really a conflict among Interop WG, RefStack and QA | 16:14 |
gema | eagle, I like it :D | 16:14 |
* eglute doesn't like it | 16:14 | |
gema | eglute: sorry :) | 16:14 |
eglute | :D | 16:14 |
catherineD | so if it is OK I will add RefStack topic to the Interop WG etherpad just like the mid-cycle in the past | 16:15 |
eglute | in this case, please add more topics to agenda if you havent yet: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG | 16:15 |
eglute | catherineD yes please | 16:15 |
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hogepodge | eglute: so I think I'm going to wave off on the space. are we ok with that? | 16:16 |
eglute | hogepodge I think we are! | 16:16 |
catherineD | so with that I think RefStack can take about 2 - 3 hour on Monday afternoon and let the Interop Challenge group to have half day on Tuesday | 16:16 |
eglute | it will be interesting to see how PTG will go, i am sure next time we will know better what works | 16:17 |
eglute | catherineD i think that would work | 16:17 |
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hogepodge | catherineD: can you create a master PTG schedule so we can coordinate with Interop Challenge? | 16:18 |
hogepodge | catherineD: or should we just use Interop WG schedule and have challenge fill in there? | 16:18 |
catherineD | eglute: I really like to attend QA session but that is alos on MT so I think PTG just does not work well for RefStack where we want t work on improving testing topic | 16:18 |
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eglute | hogepodge catherineD lets use this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG | 16:18 |
hogepodge | catherineD: you're the owner of the space there, so it's your call | 16:18 |
gema | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2017-01-11 | 16:18 |
gema | this is the agenda for challenge for the PTG | 16:19 |
catherineD | hogepodge: I think we an start with the interop wg one | 16:19 |
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eglute | catherineD i agree, i think we would have been better off on different days, but probably too late to change the travel plans for some | 16:19 |
catherineD | and rename it to RefStack/.Interop WG just like what is being shown on the schedule | 16:19 |
catherineD | is that OK? | 16:19 |
hogepodge | catherineD: +1 | 16:20 |
catherineD | eglute: yea at the summit we only have confilice in hours ... now with PTG we have conflict in days | 16:20 |
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hogepodge | we'll make it work, we just have to be focused and efficient with our time | 16:21 |
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eglute | hogepodge agree | 16:21 |
gema | +1 | 16:21 |
eglute | we could have some informal work sessions on W/Th if people are still in atlanta as well | 16:22 |
gema | sounds good | 16:22 |
gema | to summarize conversations with other teams | 16:22 |
hogepodge | I'll be in Atlanta until Friday noon | 16:22 |
gema | me too | 16:22 |
hogepodge | Anything else on the PTG at this point? | 16:23 |
catherineD | so let's finalize do we use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG ? or have a new eitherpad like https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG | 16:23 |
eglute | I will send out doodle to see who will be in Atlanta what days if we need to have extra sessions | 16:23 |
catherineD | I do not mind either one? | 16:23 |
hogepodge | catherineD: let's use the first link | 16:23 |
eglute | +1 first | 16:23 |
catherineD | ok | 16:23 |
catherineD | then I will add RefStack topics to the eitherpad | 16:24 |
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eglute | thank you catherineD | 16:24 |
eglute | next topic? | 16:25 |
eglute | #topic Schema v2.0 | 16:25 |
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eglute | hogepodge did you add this? | 16:25 |
catherineD | do we let inteop challenge to use Tuesday morning? | 16:25 |
hogepodge | yeah, I'm mainly surfacing it to bring it back to the top of my agenda | 16:25 |
hogepodge | nothing really to add yet | 16:25 |
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hogepodge | I'll try to have a new patch up by next week | 16:26 |
eglute | thank you hogepodge | 16:26 |
catherineD | folk sorry can we talk a bit about the etherpad name | 16:26 |
eglute | catherineD I think we need to coordinate that... | 16:26 |
eglute | catherineD yes | 16:27 |
eglute | #topic ptg | 16:27 |
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catherineD | soooryy .. | 16:27 |
eglute | :) | 16:27 |
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catherineD | on second thought I think if the etherpad will be post some where official (I don't know it will do) I think the link should have RefStack on it since RefStack is the room requester ... | 16:28 |
catherineD | so with that can I suggest that we use the second link above and copy the content from the first to the second ? | 16:28 |
eglute | i am not attached to the name, so we can do that | 16:28 |
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catherineD | eglute: thx | 16:29 |
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eglute | hogepodge you ok with this | 16:29 |
eglute | ? | 16:29 |
hogepodge | yes, +1 | 16:29 |
eglute | Ok, new ehterpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG | 16:30 |
eglute | catherineD is this what you wanted? | 16:30 |
catherineD | THANK YOU! | 16:30 |
catherineD | eglute: yup that was supoer QUICK!! | 16:31 |
eglute | copy paste is my favorite activity :D | 16:31 |
eglute | so regarding the timing for the interop challenge | 16:32 |
eglute | hogepodge would Wed. also be available if we needed extra time? | 16:33 |
hogepodge | We're only allocated space for MT. We could hallway or coffee shop if Wed is needed | 16:34 |
eglute | hogepodge cool thanks | 16:34 |
eglute | so extra space is not available on other days? | 16:34 |
hogepodge | no | 16:34 |
eglute | ok! | 16:34 |
eglute | then we will need to work on the schedule | 16:34 |
catherineD | do everyone plan to be at PTG M - F? | 16:35 |
hogepodge | Can we list our availability in the planning ether pad? | 16:35 |
eglute | catherineD I will be sending out doodle to our mailing list to figure out who will be available when | 16:35 |
eglute | would that help? | 16:35 |
eglute | or just listing in ehterpad would also work | 16:35 |
catherineD | yup.. that would help to book ticket | 16:36 |
catherineD | air ticket | 16:36 |
hogepodge | Are we ready to move on? Anything else? | 16:37 |
catherineD | I am good sorry for the detour | 16:37 |
hogepodge | catherineD: no problem, it's important to work out | 16:37 |
eglute | there is an email that Mark sent out regarding scheduling to topol, so we will work out scheduling | 16:37 |
eglute | via email i think | 16:37 |
hogepodge | #topic Office Hours | 16:38 |
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eglute | Rocky sent out email suggesting office hours | 16:38 |
eglute | I guess we are usually pretty responsive to the IRC chat, do you think we should have formal hours? | 16:39 |
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hogepodge | I'm personally not a fan of office hours, having worked in environments where they were required before. It ties someone to a place without an agenda, and the attendance is low. | 16:39 |
hogepodge | I'm fine with scheduling time to talk with someone on IRC (I did this last week with someone who was setting up refstack-client), or talking about issues in formal meetings, email, or mailing list | 16:40 |
eglute | hogepodge i like that idea | 16:41 |
gema | same here, nobody ever shows up and you still need to be there | 16:41 |
hogepodge | that's just my thoughts on it, though | 16:41 |
gema | I am fine with people pinging me directly, though | 16:41 |
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eglute | scheduling irc time for people that have questions would work better | 16:41 |
gema | yep | 16:41 |
eglute | especially in odd time zones | 16:41 |
luzC | totally agree | 16:42 |
gema | I am happy to cover europe TZ | 16:42 |
gema | if things are scheduled when needed | 16:42 |
eglute | we can formally put that on the wiki, that they can request some 1-1 time in IRC :) | 16:42 |
eglute | thank you gema! | 16:42 |
eglute | #action eglute update wiki with information on requesting scheduled IRC meetings to answer questions | 16:43 |
eglute | anything else on office hours? | 16:43 |
hogepodge | I want to be clear that I'm happy to be available to help, it's what I'm here for. | 16:44 |
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eglute | hogepodge clear to me :) but we will make it officially clear on wiki :) | 16:44 |
hogepodge | Is rocky around? It sounded like she's in China right now. | 16:44 |
hogepodge | eglute: do you want to respond to the mailing list on this topic? | 16:44 |
eglute | i think our IRC channel looks low traffic, but i think people are always there available to chat | 16:44 |
eglute | hogepodge yes, i will respond | 16:45 |
catherineD | eglute: how would people request 1-1 schedile? | 16:45 |
eglute | #action eglute respond to Rocky's email on office hours | 16:45 |
gema | problem may be they don't know who to address the question to | 16:45 |
eglute | catherineD by email/irc :) | 16:45 |
gema | should we have a keyword that we all have as a highlighter in our clients? | 16:45 |
gema | that way whoever sees it first can reply | 16:46 |
eglute | i have a bouncer setup, so even when not around people should be able to leave messages for me. i think same is true with hogepodge | 16:46 |
gema | yeah, I also have bouncer, but I may not reply to a message unless it blinks on my client | 16:46 |
hogepodge | catherineD: if someone reaches out to me I'll respond. We can work out something formal, like a volunteer on-call list. I presume that the chairs and secretary would be available, and anyone else who wants to pitch in can add their name to the list. | 16:46 |
eglute | gema i usually keep an eye on our channel, and the last couple times mark and hogepodge got to it before me | 16:47 |
hogepodge | eglute: as of last week my bouncer service is much more reliable and will send me notifications when I'm offline | 16:47 |
eglute | hogepodge that sounds great | 16:47 |
gema | eglute: hehe, not needed then, I confess I am bad for that | 16:47 |
catherineD | I have some one kept pinging me on personal IRC in a different TZ ... but when I response that person is no longer online .. and I do not have email to response | 16:47 |
catherineD | that happens many time with the same person for RefStack question ... and I do not know how to solve that | 16:48 |
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eglute | catherineD hm, do you know if they get offline messages? tell them to email you? | 16:48 |
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catherineD | the person does not leave message on #refstack channel just ping me directly .. | 16:49 |
catherineD | no the perkson seems to be offline with no way for me to leave message ... | 16:49 |
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catherineD | that sounds like I am not responsive but I really can not be on line at 4:00 am :-( | 16:50 |
eglute | catherineD that is challenging! I will update our wiki to make sure people email the list in this case, even if it is just an email to request time to talk in off-hours | 16:50 |
eglute | catherineD that sounds like they are not very considerate to time zone differences | 16:50 |
hogepodge | eglute: also update to have them send mail to interop@openstack.org | 16:50 |
gema | catherineD: leave an away message saying: please leave your contact details, I am not online atm | 16:51 |
eglute | hogepodge will do | 16:51 |
hogepodge | that's my official support channel for the foundation | 16:51 |
catherineD | eglute: yea that is the porlbem I try to solve for RefStack too | 16:51 |
catherineD | gema: good idea ... I have away message but did not ask for leaving message ... will do that | 16:52 |
eglute | anything else on office hours? | 16:52 |
eglute | #topic name change | 16:53 |
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eglute | since Mark is still away, we will save this for next time | 16:53 |
eglute | unless anyone has anything else to add? | 16:53 |
eglute | #topic open discussion | 16:53 |
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eglute | anything else today? | 16:54 |
hogepodge | Issue was raised on the mailing list about 2016.08 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/interop-wg/2017-January/000019.html | 16:54 |
eglute | oh yes thanks hogepodge | 16:54 |
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hogepodge | the public information is light, but they've mentioned to me that required security group settings on their cloud are tripping up the tests | 16:55 |
hogepodge | on networks-l2-CRUD | 16:55 |
hogepodge | I'm going to ask them to raise the issue more publicly, since I can't say personally one way or another if their issue is reasonable to flag a test on. | 16:56 |
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catherineD | hogepodge: ++ | 16:56 |
eglute | +1 | 16:56 |
hogepodge | I want to encourage items like this to be brought up in the mailing list and meetings, because it's the only way we can tell how features are being deployed. | 16:56 |
* eglute agrees | 16:57 | |
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eglute | anything else? | 16:57 |
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hogepodge | nothing for me | 16:58 |
gema | nope | 16:58 |
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luzC | no | 16:58 |
catherineD | I am good | 16:58 |
eglute | in that case, we will end 1 minute early!!! | 16:58 |
eglute | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 16:58:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-01-18-16.00.html | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-01-18-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-01-18-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
gema | thanks for hosting eglute, hogepodge ! | 16:58 |
catherineD | bye | 16:58 |
eglute | thank you all! | 16:58 |
hogepodge | thanks everyone. Reminder that board meeting is next week | 16:58 |
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robcresswell | Anyone about? | 20:02 |
bailing-wire | O_o | 20:02 |
r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:02 |
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ediardo | o/ | 20:03 |
jlopezgu | o/ | 20:03 |
robcresswell | Huzzah! | 20:03 |
lcastell | o/ | 20:03 |
r1chardj0n3s | #startmeeting horizon | 20:03 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:03 |
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rdopiera | o/ | 20:03 |
ediardo | \o/ | 20:03 |
r1chardj0n3s | hello! | 20:03 |
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r1chardj0n3s | not a lot on the agenda today except it's Feature Freeze time | 20:04 |
r1chardj0n3s | #link #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 20:04 |
r1chardj0n3s | oops | 20:04 |
r1chardj0n3s | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 20:04 |
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david-lyle | we need to patch and release d-o-a | 20:05 |
david-lyle | tomorrow is the deadline | 20:05 |
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david-lyle | K2K is still outstanding | 20:05 |
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jlopezgu | I'll push my patch today | 20:05 |
david-lyle | as is the federation fix, but I think that stalled | 20:05 |
* david-lyle needs to check on the latter | 20:05 | |
r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: those are the patches in the priority list? | 20:06 |
david-lyle | the k2k is | 20:06 |
r1chardj0n3s | ok | 20:06 |
david-lyle | this needs to go in too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399792/ | 20:06 |
david-lyle | it fixes a policy bug | 20:06 |
david-lyle | a sizeable one | 20:07 |
r1chardj0n3s | ok | 20:07 |
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robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Need me to do any release stuff? | 20:08 |
david-lyle | I will finish reviewing the k2k patch today | 20:08 |
r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: no, thanks. we'll try to get those DOA patches in and tag that, but I should be able to tag Horizon next week OK | 20:09 |
r1chardj0n3s | I'm on vacation next week, but it's not a lot to do the release | 20:10 |
david-lyle | yeah it's just the non-client library deadline I'm worried about right now | 20:10 |
r1chardj0n3s | yeah | 20:10 |
robcresswell | Cool, sounds good | 20:10 |
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r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408450/ is the only k2k patch in the priority list | 20:11 |
david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408435/3 | 20:11 |
david-lyle | that's the horizon side once the rest is in | 20:11 |
r1chardj0n3s | dammit, chrome just crashed | 20:12 |
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david-lyle | elvin provided tools for testing https://gist.github.com/edtubillara/174acc14c87edfbce35096a29aff308c | 20:12 |
david-lyle | s/elvin/edtubill/ | 20:13 |
r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: ah, yep, that horizon-side patch is starred, we can give it a little extra breathing room if we need to | 20:13 |
david-lyle | right | 20:13 |
david-lyle | that could be a FFE | 20:13 |
david-lyle | if need be with little outside risk | 20:14 |
r1chardj0n3s | yep | 20:14 |
r1chardj0n3s | that setup script from edtubill will really help, too bad I didn't know about it a week ago | 20:15 |
david-lyle | it's new | 20:15 |
r1chardj0n3s | yep | 20:15 |
robcresswell | Oh I got a working branding patch up too | 20:16 |
robcresswell | Fix dem logos | 20:16 |
david-lyle | ediardo: will be the judge of that ! | 20:16 |
ediardo | looks good | 20:16 |
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robcresswell | Ended up just creating the SVGs and stuff myself, foundation are fail | 20:16 |
r1chardj0n3s | lol | 20:17 |
ediardo | they just wouldn't send the logos... | 20:17 |
david-lyle | we had a question about doc logo | 20:17 |
david-lyle | I don't know where the template is stored | 20:17 |
robcresswell | You guys and your questions | 20:17 |
ediardo | lol | 20:17 |
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ediardo | yeah is about the docs | 20:17 |
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david-lyle | lower priority, but a question | 20:17 |
ediardo | the template we are using under docs/ is using the old logo | 20:18 |
david-lyle | I fear if we update that, we will be the only project | 20:18 |
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david-lyle | I think that should wait until next cycle and someone should try to update all of the projects | 20:18 |
robcresswell | I'll have a look | 20:18 |
david-lyle | because if we go to docs.openstack.org with a different logo it will stand out | 20:18 |
robcresswell | Also if anyone bumps into ducttape_ please slap him for holding up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416694/ | 20:19 |
robcresswell | Oh, true I suppose | 20:19 |
robcresswell | Maybe we should stand out | 20:19 |
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robcresswell | Our time to shine | 20:19 |
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david-lyle | I will see if he will remind rechecking | 20:19 |
david-lyle | :) | 20:20 |
r1chardj0n3s | I could chat to the docs PTL about where the docs logo is at | 20:20 |
robcresswell | I kinda wanted to get that access and security stuff done, but I guess that'll miss the deadline now | 20:20 |
david-lyle | well all store our own template, but I don't know how that works with docs.o.o | 20:20 |
david-lyle | robcresswell: we have a week | 20:21 |
david-lyle | plenty of time | 20:21 |
david-lyle | what's the rush? | 20:21 |
robcresswell | Isn't it tomorrow? | 20:21 |
david-lyle | just non-client libraries | 20:21 |
r1chardj0n3s | which access and security stuff? | 20:21 |
david-lyle | o-3 is end of next week | 20:21 |
robcresswell | Horizon has an early ff | 20:21 |
david-lyle | that's silly | 20:21 |
robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408247/5 | 20:22 |
robcresswell | I started splitting them up since people have been requesting it for years | 20:22 |
robcresswell | But its held up behind other changes :( | 20:22 |
r1chardj0n3s | right, yeah, that's gonna have a -2 in an hour or so | 20:22 |
robcresswell | Heh | 20:22 |
david-lyle | I request a FFE for that then | 20:22 |
r1chardj0n3s | shot yourself in the foot there robcresswell ;-) | 20:23 |
r1chardj0n3s | and I was about to say it's a low-risk patch for FFe | 20:23 |
david-lyle | it's a usability issue that is very unlikely to effect plugins | 20:23 |
r1chardj0n3s | that's what I was thinking | 20:23 |
david-lyle | although the common table thing is more likely too | 20:23 |
david-lyle | but only one line of it | 20:24 |
robcresswell | All it does is add a default; if plugins have defined a template already (which they will have) nothing should change | 20:25 |
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david-lyle | just saying it's the only line that might | 20:26 |
david-lyle | I'll try it out after this | 20:26 |
david-lyle | and get the train moving | 20:26 |
r1chardj0n3s | ok, so the only other thing I had to talk about this morning is the Pike PTG planning | 20:26 |
david-lyle | should it pass my rigorous review | 20:26 |
r1chardj0n3s | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ptg-pike | 20:27 |
r1chardj0n3s | not a lot of action on the etherpad | 20:27 |
robcresswell | Thanks david-lyle | 20:27 |
david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: do you have approval yet? | 20:27 |
r1chardj0n3s | if you have a topic you'd like to promote for the PTG, please add it to the etherpad | 20:27 |
r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: no, I don't | 20:27 |
david-lyle | no rush | 20:27 |
r1chardj0n3s | apparently | 20:27 |
david-lyle | they will let you know in march | 20:27 |
r1chardj0n3s | yep | 20:28 |
david-lyle | you were approved | 20:28 |
r1chardj0n3s | so, open discussion, any other business? | 20:28 |
david-lyle | I jumped in early with mine, so I'm good | 20:28 |
rdopiera | I have a nice talk to recommend, from last year's Europython | 20:29 |
rdopiera | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIwl01Nazdg | 20:29 |
robcresswell | I can't even load it, but I'll add some stuff when I am gifted with internet by the internet gods | 20:29 |
david-lyle | rdopiera: what are you implying ;-) | 20:29 |
rdopiera | david-lyle: will you have a moment after the meeting? I need to interrogate you about the domains tab | 20:29 |
david-lyle | sure | 20:30 |
david-lyle | interrogate sounds bad though | 20:30 |
david-lyle | I'm an innocent man | 20:30 |
r1chardj0n3s | lol | 20:30 |
rdopiera | inquire | 20:30 |
r1chardj0n3s | I think we're done, thanks everyone for your time :-) | 20:31 |
ediardo | thanks | 20:31 |
rdopiera | there are no innocent men, there are only incompetent interrogators | 20:31 |
r1chardj0n3s | #endmeeting | 20:31 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 20:31:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:31 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-01-18-20.03.html | 20:31 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-01-18-20.03.txt | 20:31 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-01-18-20.03.log.html | 20:31 |
r1chardj0n3s | nice way to end the meeting rdopiera :-D | 20:31 |
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