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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 17:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| mjturek | \o | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | hey y'all | 17:00 |
| mariojv | o/ | 17:00 |
| Michael-zte2 | o/ | 17:00 |
| zhenguo | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | as always, agenda is here: | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
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| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
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| jroll | #info non-client library freeze is this week | 17:01 |
| jroll | #info client library freeze is next week | 17:01 |
| jroll | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 17:01 |
| jroll | ^ is ocata schedule | 17:01 |
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| jroll | anything else here? | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:02 |
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| mgould | o/ | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | are we done with ironic-lib? | 17:02 |
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| rloo | jroll: nova 'feature' freeze is ... | 17:03 |
| jroll | there's nothing ready to go in the queue | 17:03 |
| galyna | o/ | 17:03 |
| jroll | and I don't think we have anything planned | 17:03 |
| rloo | jroll: next week? | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | so we are, cool :) | 17:03 |
| jroll | rloo: yes, next week | 17:03 |
| jroll | sorry, forgot to mention that | 17:03 |
| galyna | Sorry. just one question. How about etag spec? :) | 17:03 |
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| jroll | that means anything that needs nova patches needs to get in asap | 17:04 |
| milan | o/ | 17:04 |
| jroll | galyna: please wait for open discussion :) | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | what pressing features do we need landed in nova? do we have a list? | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | we can at least provide our reviews/+1s | 17:04 |
| rloo | jroll: sorry, one more reminded. when are we targetting ocata release, Jan 30 week? | 17:04 |
| jroll | dtantsur: attach/detach, portgroups, soft poweroff/reboot | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | k | 17:04 |
| galyna | jroll: sorry) | 17:05 |
| jroll | rloo: I'm not sure yet, feb13 week is deadline | 17:05 |
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| * rloo prefers week of feb 13 :) | 17:05 | |
| dtantsur | we have one outstanding review against ironic-inspector-client, which has to go in before next week. <-- bfournie FYI | 17:05 |
| rloo | ugh, which is week before ptg... | 17:05 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: https://review.openstack.org/364413 https://review.openstack.org/388756 and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/soft-reboot-poweroff | 17:05 |
| jroll | rloo: indeed :) | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | vdrok, thanks | 17:06 |
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| * rloo was hoping for a break... | 17:06 | |
| jroll | any other announcements/reminders? | 17:06 |
| jroll | rloo: feb27 week :P | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | jroll, do we plan on another ironicclient release? | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | otherwise we can't land Nova bits of sort power on/off | 17:06 |
| jroll | dtantsur: if we have code to release, yes | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yup, if we can get power on/off | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: lets discuss that in subteams/priorities of the week | 17:07 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:07 | |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:08 |
| jroll | starts at line 101 | 17:08 |
| jroll | got lots done last week, it seems \o/ | 17:08 |
| rloo | sambetts, vdrok: wrt portgroups, there isn't any client release needed still? | 17:08 |
| vdrok | rloo: it was done, the attach/detach addition | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | line 134 still says it's needed | 17:09 |
| rloo | vdrok: that's what i thought. will update... | 17:09 |
| vdrok | as it was a prerequisite for portgroups metadata stuff | 17:09 |
| jroll | I don't think our priorities change much - wondering if I'm missing anything obvious there | 17:10 |
| jroll | would be nice to get rescue stuff done too, on the ironic side, but lots of code | 17:10 |
| rloo | TheJulia: wrt boot from volume. if we don't get the client side done in ocata, do we still want to get the REST api done? | 17:11 |
| TheJulia | I think we ought to, but I think we can take our time, i.e. not a super high priority at the moment. Ideally we should want to be ready to merge at the beginning of pike | 17:12 |
| rloo | dtantsur, jroll: wrt driver composition. is that updated? it has 'next steps... as of 9 Jan..' | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | rloo, the same status, just more patches on review | 17:12 |
| jroll | ^ | 17:12 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok, so status as of today | 17:12 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx :) | 17:12 |
| * dtantsur cleaned up it a bit | 17:12 | |
| rloo | unless we get a lot more folks reviewing, i don't see how we can get rescue + composition + upgrades + ... done in Ocata :-( | 17:13 |
| * vdrok added a link to nova patches in soft power states section | 17:13 | |
| rloo | who's the 'lead' for ironic-ui? | 17:14 |
| jroll | rloo: right, I'm fine with rescue dropping off, I think we can finish driver composition and upgrades if we go hard on it | 17:14 |
| TheJulia | rloo: technically betherly, although she has been focusing on other things as of recent so ppiela has been largely contirbuting | 17:14 |
| TheJulia | rloo: I updated the whiteboard for them since co-ordinating seems difficult :) | 17:14 |
| rloo | TheJulia: so should we/I put ppiela down? or you? | 17:15 |
| TheJulia | rloo: both most likely | 17:15 |
| rloo | TheJulia: ok | 17:15 |
| rloo | so wrt priorities (not that we're going to get there, I'd say rolling upgrades is higher priority than boot from volume | 17:16 |
| rloo | otherwise, the priorities look good to me. | 17:16 |
| jroll | mmm, good point | 17:16 |
| vdrok | most of the patches on composition don't look that complex (have not started with api patches yet tho) | 17:16 |
| TheJulia | rloo: agreed | 17:16 |
| jroll | vdrok: that was my goal :) | 17:16 |
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| jroll | it's complex to figure out but I tried to make the patches easy to review | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | ++ for "complex to figure out" | 17:17 |
| * TheJulia wonder how to convert ++ into a very large number | 17:17 | |
| * milan suggests inf++ :D | 17:18 | |
| jroll | '++'*math.inf | 17:18 |
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| jroll | ok any other questions/comments here? | 17:18 |
| mat128 | o/ | 17:18 |
| jroll | welcome mat128 :) | 17:19 |
| mat128 | (missed it last week, late this week, next week should be on time :) | 17:19 |
| jroll | heh | 17:19 |
| jroll | no other topics, so.... | 17:19 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:19 |
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| jroll | galyna has a thing | 17:19 |
| jroll | anyone else have a thing? | 17:20 |
| TheJulia | I have a thing to inquire about | 17:20 |
| galyna | Thank, jroll :) I would like to discuss some thing in the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381991/ | 17:20 |
| Michael-zte2 | Is there a way to specify a conductor? | 17:20 |
| jroll | galyna: what would you like to discuss? | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | Michael-zte2, what you mean ? | 17:20 |
| vdrok | Michael-zte2: like, place this node on this conductor? No | 17:21 |
| galyna | The main question is abpout etag storing on ironiclient. sould it be sth like a filecache? There are several ideas | 17:21 |
| Michael-zte2 | <lucasagomes> : When there are many conductor, can I specify which conductor to use? | 17:21 |
| rloo | galyna: remind me, why do we want to store etags in client? | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | Michael-zte2, so Ironic does assign nodes to conductors dynamically using the hash ring, so there's no way to actually force it | 17:22 |
| jroll | tis a great question, I've always wondered if this would be useful in a CLI (rather than just in the api) | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | Michael-zte2, unfortunately no | 17:22 |
| TheJulia | galyna: in memory perhaps for api client users, but for CLI maybe not? | 17:22 |
| galyna | The thing is when a user does update, he needs to have some etag. This was in the first version of Devananda spec, that there should be some cache | 17:22 |
| Michael-zte2 | <lucasagomes> :what a pity | 17:22 |
| galyna | Another choice is to send GET before update. | 17:22 |
| jroll | Michael-zte2: what's the use case? | 17:23 |
| jroll | galyna: I don't like that, the eatg we send for an update should be based on what the user saw | 17:23 |
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| galyna | but this is the thing which I am not sure in. Is it reliable? | 17:23 |
| galyna | Or how to pass etag string to pass validation? | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | Michael-zte2, maybe it can be proposed somehow by a spec... but so far, this is part of the "ha model" for conductors to allow nodes to join/leave the cluster dynamically | 17:23 |
| vdrok | jroll: if it's client side cache, and etag is in cache, we can assume the user saw that | 17:24 |
| galyna | Yes. He should. So a user need to send etag manyally? | 17:24 |
| galyna | *manually | 17:24 |
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| TheJulia | Michael-zte2: or perhaps a geographic awareness model of some sort. | 17:24 |
| jroll | vdrok: I mean the GET before update option | 17:24 |
| Michael-zte2 | <jroll> : We try to specify a specific conductor, to partially solve the problem of different vlan | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | TheJulia, ++ this is actually something that I've seem users wanting in the past (specially for use cases like hadoop) | 17:25 |
| vdrok | ah, right | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | Michael-zte2: Perhaps you should detail that out in a specification so we can better understand what your use case is and how your using ironic. | 17:25 |
| jroll | Michael-zte2: oh, so you have different management VLANs for different groups of servers, yes? | 17:25 |
| jroll | TheJulia: ++ | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | lucasagomes: we've only ben discussing it sporadically for a long time. | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | true | 17:25 |
| jroll | galyna: I'm not sure I have a good option for you, I don't know how to make that a good UI | 17:25 |
| * milan wonders isn't a GET before UPDATE just a sloppy cache? ;) | 17:26 | |
| galyna | jroll: Thanks anyway) | 17:26 |
| TheJulia | milan: well, you need to know the starting state.... | 17:26 |
| jroll | ^ if anyone does, please comment on the etags spec | 17:26 |
| Michael-zte2 | <vdrok> : I read the code, as if the code does not provide a way to specify | 17:26 |
| jroll | TheJulia: what was your thing? | 17:26 |
| Michael-zte2 | <jroll> : yes | 17:27 |
| galyna | I just want to ensure that I am going in right ways. I will have several choices then. | 17:27 |
| TheJulia | So I have a question regarding python-ironicclient. I noticed an RFE https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-ironicclient/+bug/1627445 to add i18n, but noticed no real traction. It feels like we should move forward on this, but I dunno. | 17:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627445 in python-ironicclient "[RFE] i18n support for ironic client" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to jiang wei (timjiang) | 17:27 |
| Michael-zte2 | <jroll> : We try to solve the problem of multi-vlan | 17:27 |
| jroll | Michael-zte2: so for now I would recommend that you connect your conductors to all management VLANs, but if you have ideas how to make that work a spec would be great :) | 17:28 |
| rloo | TheJulia: so it has been approved. what are you suggesting? | 17:28 |
| Michael-zte2 | <jroll> : Has not been successful | 17:28 |
| vdrok | Michael-zte2: yes, that's correct. Unless you are able to specify the node hosts in a way nodes get mapped to conductors as you want :) | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | I guess from my pov, I wouldn't want to block anything over lacking i18n in the client, but I've seen it on a few reviews now from contributors who are not native english speakers | 17:28 |
| jroll | TheJulia: I don't see why we shouldn't, maybe that should be a priority for pike of some sort | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | TheJulia, we should probably leave a comment in the RFE asking the assginee if he/she is working on it | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | rloo: we just go-ahead and spend a couple days and get it done at some point in the near future. | 17:28 |
| jroll | TheJulia: ++ | 17:29 |
| rloo | TheJulia: ah, ok. I think that is very doable, but I don't know that it is a high priority for ocata. Is it? | 17:29 |
| TheJulia | near future at this point likely being the next cycle :) | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, for ocata it doesn't seem feasible | 17:29 |
| rloo | there's the i18n'able, and then there's actual xlations... | 17:29 |
| * jroll reiterates, maybe that should be a priority for pike | 17:29 | |
| TheJulia | ++ | 17:29 |
| Michael-zte2 | <lucasagomes> : yes, thank you for your suggestion | 17:30 |
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| TheJulia | Okay, I think we seem to have a consensus, just not a now thing | 17:30 |
| rloo | agree as a priority for pike. do we have an etherpad for pike besides the ptg stuff? | 17:30 |
| jroll | not yet, no | 17:30 |
| vdrok | similar question on node tags, these have been up for a while | 17:30 |
| vdrok | maybe prioritize them at the end of cycle | 17:30 |
| rloo | vdrok: i had thought we could get node tags done in ocata. just too much other stuff to review so far :-( | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, maybe add it to the PTG etherpad ? So we can talk about prioritizing it there ? | 17:30 |
| TheJulia | I'll add it to the ptg etherpad | 17:31 |
| sambetts | Michael-zte2: one possiblity to make it work now, might be to have sparate ironics and nova-computes for your different management zones, but I've not tried it before | 17:31 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: ++ to ptg etherpad. at least for now so we don't lose it. i can do it after this meeting. | 17:31 |
| jroll | yeah, +1 | 17:31 |
| rloo | oh, just saw TheJulia volunteer, thx! | 17:31 |
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| vsaienk0 | Michael-zte2: what do you mean "We try to solve the problem of multi-vlan"? | 17:31 |
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| rloo | Seems like it would be good to have Michael-zte2 or someone write a spec with use case etc. Cuz how do we deal with ha and a conductor going down if you specify which conductor. it doesn't seem that simple. | 17:33 |
| TheJulia | I suspect there are several use cases that may be solved by the same spec | 17:33 |
| Michael-zte2 | <jroll> <vsaienk0>: We have a need to deploy BM in different Vlans. We are working on it these days. But we can not find a solution yet | 17:34 |
| rloo | TheJulia: even better! | 17:34 |
| sambetts | Michael-zte2: have you seem our multitenency support as of Newton? | 17:34 |
| sambetts | Michael-zte2: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/deploy/multitenancy.html | 17:34 |
| vsaienk0 | Michael-zte2: so you are looking for ability to specify deploy network per node? | 17:34 |
| TheJulia | Michael-zte2: or are your requirements dedicated conductors per vlan deployments? | 17:35 |
| * rloo wonders whether we should take this discussion outside this meeting | 17:36 | |
| jroll | I think we should | 17:36 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 17:36 |
| Michael-zte2 | <sambetts> : I'm following the ironic-neutron meeting | 17:36 |
| TheJulia | Michael-zte2: Lets discuss this in #openstack-ironic | 17:36 |
| vsaienk0 | rloo: yeah, we need a spec to understand particular use case | 17:36 |
| Michael-zte2 | <vsaienk0> : something like that | 17:36 |
| * jroll notes the ironic-neutron meeting is no longer being held | 17:36 | |
| jroll | ok, anything else for this meeting? | 17:37 |
| Michael-zte2 | <TheJulia> : ok | 17:37 |
| * jroll waits a moment | 17:37 | |
| TheJulia | I have nothing :) | 17:37 |
| vdrok | thanks everyone :) | 17:37 |
| rloo | crickets chirping... | 17:38 |
| Michael-zte2 | good Bye | 17:38 |
| jroll | cool, 20-odd minutes of extra reviewing | 17:38 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 17:38:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-01-16-17.00.html | 17:38 |
| jroll | thanks y'all | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-01-16-17.00.txt | 17:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-01-16-17.00.log.html | 17:38 |
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| galyna | thanks everyone :) | 17:38 |
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