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| mariojv | o/ | 16:59 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 9 17:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| aslezil | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | ohai! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| zhenguo | o/ | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
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| joanna | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| ricardoas | o/ | 17:00 |
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| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| baha | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | as always, we have an agenda: | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
| mjturek | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| jroll | first meeting of 2017, happy new year everyone :) | 17:01 |
| mjturek | happy new year! | 17:01 |
| jroll | couple things: | 17:01 |
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| jroll | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 17:01 |
| jroll | lots of deadlines coming up | 17:01 |
| jroll | client release freeze next week | 17:01 |
| jroll | er, library freeze | 17:02 |
| rloo | jroll: isn't it the week after next? | 17:02 |
| jroll | feature freeze the week after (and requirements freeze, client freeze etc) | 17:02 |
| rloo | jroll: :) | 17:02 |
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| milan | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | we still tend to merge features post-feature-freeze, but need to keep it in mind for things that affect nova and such | 17:02 |
| bfournie | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | our final release deadline for ironic and inspector is R-1 (feb 13-17) | 17:03 |
| jroll | and PTG is feb 20-24, hope everyone will be there | 17:03 |
| rloo | jroll: for any ironic-nova feature changes, nova will only accept them til week of Jan 23, right? | 17:03 |
| jroll | on that note, we've started planning topics for the PTG: | 17:03 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:03 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-pike-ptg | 17:03 |
| jroll | rloo: correct | 17:03 |
| jroll | preferably earlier | 17:03 |
| rloo | jroll: ++ | 17:03 |
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| jroll | and I think my last announcement, if you haven't read the ML, is that I won't be running for PTL next cycle | 17:04 |
| jroll | so please step up and run if that's a thing you'd like to do, I'm happy to help anyone running and will certainly help whoever gets the position | 17:05 |
| jroll | :) | 17:05 |
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| jroll | anyone have other announcements? | 17:06 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | I'll say it several times before end of Ocata, but as you mentioned it: you're an awesome PTL jroll, thanks :) | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Python 3 experimental job added :) | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Thanks to jroll | 17:06 |
| jroll | dtantsur: thank you :) | 17:06 |
| jroll | jlvillal: ++ | 17:06 |
| jroll | I hope to get that to non-voting soon but I think swift may have some problems, per the ML | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | +1 on what dtantsur said! | 17:07 |
| jroll | :) | 17:07 |
| jroll | ok if nothing else, I'll move on | 17:07 |
| * jroll waits for a few | 17:07 | |
| jlvillal | Yeah the Swift phase it where it died | 17:08 |
| jroll | right on | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | s/it where/is where/ | 17:08 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:08 | |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:09 |
| jroll | starts around line 101 | 17:09 |
| * jroll gives folks a few minutes to review | 17:09 | |
| jroll | I think our top priority right now will be attach/detach, since we have some nova stuff hanging on that | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | Oh, I think our gate is working again. Not sure if any known issues at this moment. I believe stable/newton is working and testing now. | 17:09 |
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| jroll | +1, thanks jlvillal | 17:10 |
| rloo | JayF: can you update the rescue mode status? | 17:12 |
| * JayF on it | 17:12 | |
| * jroll is proposing priorities | 17:13 | |
| jroll | looks like things are moving along nicely | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Should there be a Python 3 section? | 17:13 |
| rloo | yay, notifications are DONE! | 17:13 |
| mariojv | \o/ | 17:13 |
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| jroll | I had to report up status on a bunch of our cycle priorities last week and I was very pleased :) | 17:13 |
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| dtantsur | notifications \o/ | 17:14 |
| jroll | jlvillal: nah, not a priority, just trying to get the ball rolling. next cycle it will likely be a cross-project goal and we'll add it then | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Ah okay. I'm glad we are ahead of the curve then :) | 17:14 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: or just finding out how behind the curve we are :D | 17:14 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt ironic-neuton interactions, now that the weekly meetings are no more, do you want to add a subteam for that? | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | Inconceivable! | 17:15 |
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| lucasagomes | heh glass half empty or half full :-) | 17:15 |
| jroll | rloo: porgroups and attach/detach should cover it | 17:15 |
| * jlvillal realizes that probably makes no sense to people who haven't watched "The Princess Bride" | 17:15 | |
| rloo | jroll: ok, that works for me | 17:15 |
| JayF | rloo: updated, that was very out of date | 17:16 |
| rloo | jlvillal: true, but inconceivable | 17:16 |
| JayF | rloo: my apologies | 17:16 |
| rloo | JayF: no worries, thx for updating! | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | :) | 17:17 |
| jroll | ok, I've got review priorities proposed, any questions/comments on those or do they look ok? | 17:17 |
| rloo | jroll: are we hoping to get nova attach/detach only, and/or nova portgroups done too? | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | How many more driver composition patches are likely left? /me curious | 17:17 |
| rloo | jlvillal: gazillion :) | 17:18 |
| jroll | rloo: both, they're fairly simple | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, I have rough estimate in the white board | 17:18 |
| * jlvillal was afraid of that... :) | 17:18 | |
| jroll | jlvillal: >1 | 17:18 |
| jroll | :) | 17:18 |
| rloo | jroll: ok, would be good to mention the portgroups stuff as eg 2 in priority? | 17:18 |
| jroll | rloo: not opposed to that | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: I must be blind but I didn't see an overall estimate. Unless that is listing all of them and there are like 3 more? | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, items under "next steps" are my estimates for big bits for Ocata | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Oh cool, so three big things left. Thanks :) | 17:20 |
| rloo | the code freeze for libraries (ironic-lib) is next week; are there any patches that we need to look at? | 17:20 |
| JayF | There is a bugfix in review right now | 17:20 |
| JayF | that's pretty worth looking at | 17:20 |
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| dtantsur | last time I looked there were 3 patches there open | 17:20 |
| jroll | JayF: which one? | 17:21 |
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| dtantsur | all probably need rechecking, one has (procedural?) -2 | 17:21 |
| jroll | yeah, I see 4, one is old | 17:21 |
| rloo | if any of those are priorities maybe we should mention | 17:21 |
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| JayF | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417022/ | 17:21 |
| jroll | they don't look like priorities to me | 17:21 |
| jroll | bug fixes are great to get in though | 17:21 |
| JayF | this one isn't a feature priority, but a regression bug we introduced this cycle in IPA | 17:21 |
| jroll | that one is pretty hairy :D | 17:21 |
| jroll | is it a regression? | 17:22 |
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| jroll | I don't recall yolanda mentioning it worked in the past | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | configdrive + whole disk images is relatively new | 17:22 |
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| JayF | We moved IPA to do configdrive writing via ironic-lib | 17:23 |
| JayF | and I know it worked before we did that | 17:23 |
| JayF | that move was in this cycle, so I presumed it was a relatively recent regression | 17:23 |
| JayF | I haven't bisected it or anything crazy like that | 17:23 |
| jroll | oh, could be | 17:23 |
| jroll | I know this is iscsi driver | 17:23 |
| jroll | so a bit unclear still, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 17:23 |
| JayF | I mean, the code is the same for both methods now | 17:23 |
| JayF | I believe | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | yeah I not sure if it's a regression | 17:23 |
| jroll | a couple folks have been working with yolanda | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | the thing is, yolanda wants to pre-create the configdrive partition | 17:24 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: yeah, we used this code downstream | 17:24 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: to be able to have a precreated configdrive partition | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | probably we just tested having IPA creating the partition for us at the end of the disk ? | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, oh right | 17:24 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: because of that I'm 1000% sure it used to work | 17:24 |
| jroll | lol | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, hah ok so yeah seems like a regression | 17:24 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: and the only time that code has changed in recent memory is the change to do configdrive writing via ironic-lib | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | it could be related to the version of blkid tool as well ? Cause I tested on xenial and I can confirm that the command didn't work | 17:25 |
| jroll | let's continue this in channel or open discussion | 17:25 |
| jroll | please :) | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | right on | 17:25 |
| jroll | anything else on subteam reports? | 17:25 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: very possible, but yeah, I see it as an important bug to fix before freeze :) | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, ++ | 17:25 |
| * jroll added ironic-lib patch queue to priorities | 17:25 | |
| jroll | okay, one discussion topic today | 17:26 |
| jroll | #topic Policy for deprecating metric names | 17:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Policy for deprecating metric names (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:26 | |
| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109580.html | 17:26 |
| mariojv | hi - that was one i suggested | 17:26 |
| * jroll hands mic to mariojv | 17:26 | |
| mariojv | the question about having a deprecation policy for metric names was brought up in response to this patch | 17:27 |
| mariojv | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412339 | 17:27 |
| mariojv | essentially, we don't have any consistent policy for metric names for users of the feature | 17:27 |
| mariojv | so if we have a decorator @METRICS.timer('my_module.MyClass.my_func') for a function named my_func, and we change that function's name to "foo" | 17:27 |
| mariojv | there's a question about whether we change the name to "my_module.MyClass.foo", or do something else | 17:27 |
| JayF | mariojv: I think simply a release note notifying the value has changed is sufficient. I am very much against the suggestion of doing multiple metrics as a transition period. | 17:27 |
| mariojv | JayF: +1 | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, I hardly can think of a way to have deprecation on changing method's name | 17:27 |
| mariojv | i think we should also start documenting individual metrics and what they're supposed to mean, and keep that up to date | 17:27 |
| JayF | mariojv: I think that's a slippery, and dangerous slope | 17:28 |
| mariojv | otherwise operators need to be familiar with the internals of the codebase for them to be useful | 17:28 |
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| mariojv | JayF: why? too many metrics? | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | perhaps keeping sending two notifications with the different names at the same time ? But, nothing that I can think of seems to solve the problem gracefully | 17:28 |
| JayF | mariojv: It's going to be borderline impossible to create that document, organize it in a sane way, and ensure it stays up to date | 17:28 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: very -1, that's a bad idea because of how much more storage it can cause on the metrics backend | 17:28 |
| mariojv | lucasagomes: the problem with that is the policy falls apart if a function is removed | 17:28 |
| rloo | mariojv: there are a lot of metrics to be documenting, if there was some way to generate that doc from the files, i'd be ok with that | 17:28 |
| mariojv | and the storage thing | 17:28 |
| rloo | mariojv: i wonder if we should have some xproject discussion about metrics | 17:28 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: it's a relatively trivial operational task to combine the old+new metric names if a deployer wishes | 17:28 |
| JayF | rloo: ++ agreed, I'm only onboard for it if it's generated | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | mariojv, right, but if it's removed we won't care about the metrics for it anymore right ? | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, right | 17:29 |
| mariojv | i think it could be generated - just the meanings of each metric would be the work | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, mariojv would be feseable to create the document for the metrics from code ? | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | like having a parser for the decorators which auto-generates it ? | 17:29 |
| mariojv | rloo: not sure about the xproject discussion, i don't think many other projects have metrics the way we do | 17:29 |
| mariojv | maybe swift | 17:29 |
| JayF | I think it's more effort than it's worth, to be honest | 17:29 |
| JayF | to document each one individually | 17:29 |
| mariojv | lucasagomes: yes, you could do that | 17:29 |
| JayF | there's a false impression that an operator will use these metrics to ask specific questions | 17:30 |
| JayF | ime, I much more often used these metrics, and similar ones, to track down unforseen issues | 17:30 |
| mariojv | maybe the effort ought to be scoped before dismissing it outright - tbh, i have not counted how many there are | 17:30 |
| JayF | i.e. "why is my api slow?" then look for metrics with large deltas indicating a performance change | 17:30 |
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| jroll | so there's a lot of good questions here, but let's focus on process for changing one | 17:31 |
| jroll | I think I'm fine with just a release note | 17:31 |
| rloo | so if metrics stuff doesn't fall under the whatever policy of deprecations, then let's just rename or whatever. | 17:31 |
| jroll | and maybe add to metrics docs that these may change with only a release note | 17:31 |
| JayF | I think to change one, you should simply need a release note under upgrade noting it's moved, the name has changed | 17:31 |
| mariojv | I'm fine with that too jroll | 17:31 |
| jroll | also add that to dev docs | 17:31 |
| JayF | +1 | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | yeah I'm good with it too | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | seems sane | 17:31 |
| rloo | ++ | 17:32 |
| lucasagomes | we can document that names for the metrics could change at any time to alert operators | 17:32 |
| * rloo senses a vote coming up. goodie. | 17:32 | |
| jroll | cool, any objections? | 17:32 |
| * jroll hates votes, let's just see if anyone hates it | 17:32 | |
| jroll | while we wait, who wants to write those docs? | 17:32 |
| mariojv | i'll do it | 17:33 |
| * rloo likes votes, it is so democratic :) | 17:33 | |
| jroll | perfect, thanks mariojv | 17:33 |
| * jroll reserves his thoughts on democracy | 17:33 | |
| lucasagomes | rloo, :-) seems we don't need to vote | 17:33 |
| jroll | ok if nobody objects let's just do it | 17:33 |
| rloo | ha ha. | 17:33 |
| jroll | any later objections can happen in gerrit | 17:33 |
| jroll | thanks for bringing it up, mariojv | 17:34 |
| rloo | mariojv: you didn't get any replies from the ML so this decision should be fine | 17:34 |
| mariojv | ty | 17:34 |
| mariojv | yeah | 17:34 |
| jroll | oh yeah, we should post back to the ML what we decided | 17:34 |
| jroll | alright, moving on | 17:34 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:34 | |
| jroll | mriedem left me some announcements here | 17:34 |
| * jlvillal is slightly disappointed that #undo wasn't used in this meeting to show off his changes to meetbot :) | 17:34 | |
| jroll | (mriedem): Status of Ironic driver changes for Nova are in here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ocata-feature-freeze - some of those are close, some are probably not going to make Ocata due to dependencies or inactivity. Here are the changes which look close but need a push on the Ironic side: | 17:34 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364413/ Support Ironic interface attach/detach in nova virt | 17:35 |
| jroll | Depends on an Ironic API and client change, but would also unblock the portgroups change(s) on the Nova side. | 17:35 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407977/ ironic: Add soft power off support to ironic driver | 17:35 |
| jroll | Depends on an Ironic client change, the Ironic API change is already merged (v1.27) | 17:35 |
| jlvillal | Not sure if that #link worked. With the leading spaces? | 17:35 |
| jroll | attach/detach we know about | 17:35 |
| jroll | probably not | 17:35 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364413/ | 17:35 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407977/ | 17:35 |
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| jroll | so I guess we should prioritize this one as well: | 17:36 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357627/ | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | the base patch is already merged in Ironic AFAICT | 17:36 |
| * jroll added to priorities | 17:36 | |
| jroll | yep | 17:36 |
| jroll | just need the client patch, that would be a great feature to get in nova this cycle | 17:37 |
| jroll | anything else for open discussion?[ | 17:37 |
| rloo | well, need client patch and folks to review the nova-related patch :) | 17:37 |
| jlvillal | Still seeing that timeout issue on Grenade at times | 17:37 |
| rloo | jlvillal: :( | 17:37 |
| jroll | jlvillal: yeah, someone put up a patch for that iirc | 17:38 |
| JayF | If anyone is in Seattle area and wants to say hello, I'll be giving a talk on systemd at the SASAG meeting on Thursday night. | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | Strange I thought it got bumped to 45 seconds | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | But I see 30 | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | http://logs.openstack.org/23/415523/2/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-ironic-ubuntu-xenial/29bdff9/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2017-01-09_16_24_24_824 | 17:38 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: not yet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417406/ | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | Oh, yeah. We have to go ask for reviews | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | heh | 17:39 |
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| jlvillal | I did some begging over on #openstack-qa for that grenade patch | 17:40 |
| jroll | cool | 17:40 |
| jroll | anything else? | 17:40 |
| phuongnh | Hi, for Additional capabilities discovery for iRMC driver feature, I have uploaded a spec here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409044/ | 17:41 |
| phuongnh | folks, if you have few minutes mind taking a look at it, thanks | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | phuongnh, I think Nisha_Agarwal just pointed me earlier on to a similar spec ? | 17:41 |
| jroll | phuongnh: I'd love for you to work with Nisha_Agarwal and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338138/ | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338138 | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:42 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:42 |
| phuongnh | thanks, I will do that | 17:42 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | lucasagomes, jroll Thank you :) | 17:42 |
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| lucasagomes | we should try to make it as generic as possible | 17:42 |
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| Nisha_Agarwal | :) yes sure | 17:43 |
| jroll | yep | 17:43 |
| jroll | and nisha already covered some of these | 17:43 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | jroll, now the spec is generic. I would love to see the comments from reviewers | 17:43 |
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| jroll | Nisha_Agarwal: agree, I meant to bring it up here actually | 17:44 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | :) | 17:44 |
| jroll | I think it's probably ready, I haven't reviewed in full though | 17:44 |
| * dtantsur was out of internet for a while | 17:44 | |
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| * Nisha_Agarwal also thinks the same :) | 17:44 | |
| jroll | dtantsur: do you have anything for open discussion? | 17:45 |
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| dtantsur | nope | 17:45 |
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| jroll | cool | 17:45 |
| jroll | thanks y'all | 17:46 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
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| JayF | o/ | 17:46 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 9 17:46:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-01-09-17.00.html | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-01-09-17.00.txt | 17:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-01-09-17.00.log.html | 17:46 |
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