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| mattjarvis | hello all | 14:00 |
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| seanhandley | hi matt | 14:00 |
| mattjarvis | hey seanhandley ! | 14:00 |
| seanhandley | Sorry for missing the last one | 14:01 |
| seanhandley | and happy new year! | 14:01 |
| mattjarvis | same to you :) | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | Hi! | 14:01 |
| serverascode | hi | 14:01 |
| mattjarvis | hi serverascode hi tobberydberg | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | A few more this time =) | 14:01 |
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| mattjarvis | yup, let's give it a couple of minutes before we start | 14:01 |
| mattjarvis | to give others a chance | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | absolutely | 14:02 |
| rmart04 | Afternoon chaps | 14:03 |
| rmart04 | (& and ladies!) | 14:03 |
| mattjarvis | ok, lets get started then | 14:03 |
| mattjarvis | #startmeeting Public Cloud WG | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 14:03:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattjarvis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Public Cloud WG)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'public_cloud_wg' | 14:03 |
| mattjarvis | firstly could everyone add their names to the ether pad attendees https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:04 |
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| zhipengh | hello | 14:05 |
| mattjarvis | still quite a few down on the first meeting - hope others will join later | 14:05 |
| mattjarvis | hi zhipengh | 14:05 |
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| zhipengh | happy new year :) | 14:05 |
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| mattjarvis | same to you :) | 14:06 |
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| yankcrime | o/ | 14:06 |
| mattjarvis | hello nick | 14:06 |
| * yankcrime really should put this in his diary | 14:06 | |
| mattjarvis | #topic Time length for chair voting | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Time length for chair voting (Meeting topic: Public Cloud WG)" | 14:07 | |
| mattjarvis | just a quick note, it's the participants section at the top of the ether pad, some folks are using the one from the last meeting | 14:07 |
| mattjarvis | so, on to voting for chairs | 14:07 |
| mattjarvis | the Doodle poll has now been open for 15 days | 14:08 |
| mattjarvis | and we have 21 participants | 14:08 |
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| mattjarvis | are we happy to close the poll now, or does anyone want to run longer ? | 14:08 |
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| mattjarvis | any thoughts either way ? | 14:09 |
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| tobberydberg | Fine to close for me | 14:10 |
| zhipengh | i think we could close the polls now or by the end of this week | 14:10 |
| mattjarvis | ok, let's put it to a vote then ( if I can remember the IRC fu ) | 14:10 |
| zhipengh | i think we could close the polls now or by the end of this week | 14:10 |
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| rmart04 | Have you got a link for that poll, didn’t see it on the etherpad | 14:10 |
| rmart04 | can flick through the mailing list | 14:11 |
| tobberydberg | http://doodle.com/poll/s63r5s4ghyucmnqu | 14:11 |
| yankcrime | i reckon a couple of weeks would usually have been sufficient, but given it's been holiday season leaving it to run until the end of the week seems reasonable to me | 14:11 |
| mattjarvis | http://beta.doodle.com/poll/s63r5s4ghyucmnqu#table | 14:11 |
| rmart04 | thanks | 14:11 |
| mattjarvis | yankcrime, that seems reasonable | 14:11 |
| mattjarvis | so lets vote for the end of the week | 14:12 |
| zhipengh | agree yankcrime | 14:12 |
| mattjarvis | #vote | 14:12 |
| mattjarvis | #startvote close the chair poll on Friday 4th Jan ? Yes, No | 14:12 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: close the chair poll on Friday 4th Jan ? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:12 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:12 |
| mattjarvis | #vote Yes | 14:12 |
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| yankcrime | #vote yes | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | #vote Yes | 14:13 |
| zhipengh | #vote yes | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | ...even though Friday is the 6th ;-) | 14:13 |
| mattjarvis | sorry my bad :( | 14:13 |
| mattjarvis | correction for the logs - Friday is the 6th Jan | 14:14 |
| seanhandley | #vote yes | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | Hehe, np | 14:14 |
| zhipengh | we don't need a recount :P | 14:14 |
| mattjarvis | #endvote | 14:14 |
| openstack | Voted on "close the chair poll on Friday 4th Jan ?" Results are | 14:14 |
| openstack | Yes (5): zhipengh, yankcrime, mattjarvis, seanhandley, tobberydberg | 14:14 |
| mattjarvis | ok, carried :) | 14:14 |
| mattjarvis | I will close on Friday | 14:14 |
| mattjarvis | #topic Work output to create definitions and consituency on wiki page | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Work output to create definitions and consituency on wiki page (Meeting topic: Public Cloud WG)" | 14:15 | |
| mattjarvis | it would be good to get this put to bed now, we have some content added to the etherpad | 14:15 |
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| mattjarvis | is everyone happy with the definitions section ? ( under Who is our Constituency ) | 14:17 |
| mattjarvis | and I think we all agreed that we wouldn't necessarily be bound by the Marketplace | 14:17 |
| mattjarvis | one issue with not having the MP as part of the definition is that we now include operators who don't have the Powered by OpenStack certification | 14:18 |
| yankcrime | i like the NIST definition tbh | 14:18 |
| mattjarvis | +1 | 14:19 |
| yankcrime | not sure i agree with the 'full api access' statement though | 14:19 |
| zhipengh | I agree that we should not be bound with MP | 14:19 |
| mattjarvis | yankcrime, can you explain a bit more ? | 14:19 |
| yankcrime | could be public operators that can't provide 'full api access' for one reason or another, but those reasons could be of wider value | 14:20 |
| zhipengh | full api access meaning full OpenStack API access ? | 14:20 |
| serverascode | full api might not be the right phrase, publicly accessible api is what is meant? | 14:21 |
| mattjarvis | I think the intention of that statement was about OpenStack API's as opposed to proprietary wrappers | 14:21 |
| yankcrime | in which case you'd be excluding rackspace surely | 14:21 |
| mattjarvis | serverascode, yes I think so | 14:21 |
| zhipengh | some of the apis will not be publicly accessable in nature (for public clouds) | 14:22 |
| yankcrime | serverascode: that'd be ok | 14:22 |
| tobberydberg | Public accessible native OpenStack APIs | 14:22 |
| mattjarvis | tobberydberg, +1 | 14:22 |
| mattjarvis | would you mind updating the ether pad with that suggestion ? | 14:23 |
| zhipengh | +1 | 14:23 |
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| tobberydberg | Sure! | 14:23 |
| rmart04 | Happy wih the definition, aggree with YC. | 14:23 |
| zhipengh | just don't restrict it to only native APIs | 14:23 |
| yankcrime | i think "publicly accessible apis" is sufficient | 14:23 |
| mattjarvis | ok, I think there is enough there to create a definition and constituency section on the wiki | 14:24 |
| mattjarvis | would anyone like to take an action to take that and create something on our wiki page ? | 14:24 |
| mattjarvis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PublicCloudWorkingGroup | 14:25 |
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| mattjarvis | lol, ok I will take that as an action | 14:25 |
| yankcrime | i'm happy to write something up | 14:25 |
| mattjarvis | sold | 14:25 |
| yankcrime | lol | 14:25 |
| mattjarvis | #action yank crime to create a consituency/definitions section on the wiki based on the content in the etherpad | 14:26 |
| zhipengh | we need to agree the content in the etherpad, right ? | 14:26 |
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| mattjarvis | sorry, yes let's make sure we are in agreement on that | 14:27 |
| mattjarvis | we are just talking about the Who is our Consituency section | 14:27 |
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| mattjarvis | #startvote are we happy with the content in the constituency section being used to seed the wiki ? Yes, No | 14:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: are we happy with the content in the constituency section being used to seed the wiki ? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:28 |
| mattjarvis | #vote yes | 14:28 |
| mattjarvis | #vote Yes | 14:28 |
| rmart04 | #vote Yes | 14:28 |
| yankcrime | #vote yes | 14:29 |
| zhipengh | #vote yes | 14:29 |
| tobberydberg | #vote Yes | 14:29 |
| serverascode | #vote yes | 14:29 |
| mattjarvis | any more ? | 14:29 |
| mattjarvis | #endvote | 14:29 |
| openstack | Voted on "are we happy with the content in the constituency section being used to seed the wiki ?" Results are | 14:29 |
| openstack | Yes (6): rmart04, yankcrime, mattjarvis, tobberydberg, zhipengh, serverascode | 14:29 |
| seanhandley | #vote yes | 14:30 |
| mattjarvis | #topic Discuss purpose and goals | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss purpose and goals (Meeting topic: Public Cloud WG)" | 14:30 | |
| seanhandley | Damn. Need to be quicker on the draw. | 14:30 |
| mattjarvis | sorry :( | 14:30 |
| seanhandley | resounding yes anyway :) | 14:30 |
| seanhandley | my bad - I'll be quicker | 14:30 |
| mattjarvis | so I think we have a pretty good definition of purpose in the section titled "Splitted concept of representation" | 14:31 |
| mattjarvis | which Mariano from Enter provided I think | 14:31 |
| mattjarvis | and there is also some concepts under " Purpose of the publiccloud-wg" at the bottom | 14:31 |
| mattjarvis | could I ask that we all review both of those sections, add any new thoughts, and then we'll vote on adding that to the wiki also ? | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | Agree that "Splitted concept of representation" looks good! | 14:32 |
| mattjarvis | I'll give everyone a couple of minutes to look at those sections | 14:32 |
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| mattjarvis | I think they probably need merging together and a bit of editing, but I agree | 14:33 |
| zhipengh | true that | 14:34 |
| yankcrime | lgtm | 14:34 |
| mattjarvis | ok, so lets vote on moving that section forward | 14:36 |
| mattjarvis | #startvote are we happy with the content we currently have to describe the purpose of the WG ? Yes, No | 14:36 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: are we happy with the content we currently have to describe the purpose of the WG ? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:36 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:36 |
| mattjarvis | #vote Yes | 14:36 |
| yankcrime | #yes | 14:36 |
| yankcrime | #vote yes | 14:36 |
| zhipengh | #vote yes | 14:37 |
| seanhandley | #vote yes | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | #vote Yes | 14:37 |
| serverascode | #vote yes | 14:37 |
| mattjarvis | any more ? | 14:38 |
| mattjarvis | #endvote | 14:38 |
| openstack | Voted on "are we happy with the content we currently have to describe the purpose of the WG ?" Results are | 14:38 |
| openstack | Yes (6): seanhandley, yankcrime, mattjarvis, tobberydberg, zhipengh, serverascode | 14:38 |
| mattjarvis | would anyone else like to take an action to distill those sections down into a Purpose section on the wiki ? | 14:38 |
| mattjarvis | I am happy to do so | 14:39 |
| zhipengh | I could help | 14:39 |
| mattjarvis | please feel free zhipengh | 14:39 |
| mattjarvis | how about you take a first pass, and we can collaborate if needed afterwards ? | 14:39 |
| zhipengh | no problem | 14:40 |
| mattjarvis | #action zhipengh to distill Purpose sections down into a section on the wiki | 14:40 |
| mattjarvis | tx :) | 14:40 |
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| mattjarvis | so the last thing I wanted us to talk about today was about goals | 14:40 |
| mattjarvis | there are obviously the overarching things which we have outlined under purpose | 14:41 |
| mattjarvis | but taking input from others, the most successful working groups have set themselves achievable sets of goals within the release cycle timeframe | 14:41 |
| mattjarvis | here is what David Flanders sent to me this week regarding this : | 14:42 |
| mattjarvis | æFirst task is really to get two dedicated co-chairs who are going to be committed to bringing the group together via the regular drum-beat of IRC meetings. Second is having a good scoping document 9slides) to announce at the forum(summit) along with 1-3 small activities. That is about as much as you can hope for, a good start with some clear trajectories." | 14:42 |
| mattjarvis | this sounds like a reasonable set of milestones to work towards initially | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | agree | 14:43 |
| zhipengh | agree | 14:43 |
| mattjarvis | we obviously have the first underway, the second is tied up with some of the work we've just done on creating wiki content and defining things | 14:43 |
| mattjarvis | does anyone have any further thoughts on the third ? | 14:44 |
| mattjarvis | it's worth reading the "Things which public cloud have achieved this year" section on the etherpad | 14:44 |
| mattjarvis | which does focus a lot on the app dev stuff, but still valid points | 14:45 |
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| mattjarvis | personally I'd be looking for SMART goals | 14:45 |
| mattjarvis | and fairly small scope for the first iteration | 14:46 |
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| mattjarvis | one thing that did seem achievable and fairly self contained was to produce some case studies | 14:47 |
| mattjarvis | which could then become part of a larger white paper | 14:47 |
| zhipengh | how should we categorize the cases ? | 14:48 |
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| mattjarvis | I was thinking that if we could provide 3-4 case studies for large customers who use public cloud openstack and why they use it - along with any challenges that customer creates for the provider ? | 14:49 |
| mattjarvis | I can definitely think of 2 customers from DataCentred who would be interesting | 14:49 |
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| zhipengh | I could have some from OTC customers I think | 14:50 |
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| mattjarvis | if the selection could be cross-industry that would also be interesting I think | 14:50 |
| mattjarvis | so customers from different sectors | 14:50 |
| zhipengh | we should also decide on a template for the case study document | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | Like your suggestion Matt | 14:51 |
| zhipengh | what sections we should include in it for example | 14:51 |
| mattjarvis | zhipengh, I agree | 14:52 |
| mattjarvis | could you add that to the ether pad so we capture it | 14:52 |
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| yankcrime | deffo agree with case studies that speak to openstack's strengths for public cloud in general | 14:52 |
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| mattjarvis | coming back to Flanders suggestions - I think what we are talking about here is what he has under section e. | 14:53 |
| mattjarvis | I think we could also contribute to section d. - update, testing and screencasts of how various cloud app interfaces work atop openstack | 14:53 |
| mattjarvis | and to section c. | 14:53 |
| mattjarvis | participation at the summit OpenStack Academy* acting as mentors during the 'Training Games' and self-paced 'Cloud App Labs' lounge | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, participating and the OpenStack Academy with resources to execute sessions, labs or hackatons? | 14:55 |
| mattjarvis | tobberydberg, yes exactly | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, participating and provide the OpenStack Academy with resources to execute sessions, labs or hackatons? | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | ...some lost words... | 14:56 |
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| mattjarvis | and also that would play into doing some work on section d. so that we ensure things actually work reliably across clouds | 14:56 |
| mattjarvis | so we are coming up to the hour now | 14:57 |
| mattjarvis | does anyone have any final thoughts for this weeks meeting ? | 14:57 |
| mattjarvis | I suggest we add the case study discussion to the agenda for next meeting, as it seems we are all fairly in agreement | 14:58 |
| yankcrime | yeah, agreed | 14:58 |
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| seanhandley | sounds good mattjarvis | 14:58 |
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| tobberydberg | agree | 14:58 |
| zhipengh | agree | 14:58 |
| mattjarvis | thank you all for your input - I think we've made progress this meeting. By next time we should have some additional wiki content and some other chairs ! | 14:59 |
| yankcrime | thanks mattjarvis | 14:59 |
| mattjarvis | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 14:59:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/public_cloud_wg/2017/public_cloud_wg.2017-01-04-14.03.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/public_cloud_wg/2017/public_cloud_wg.2017-01-04-14.03.txt | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/public_cloud_wg/2017/public_cloud_wg.2017-01-04-14.03.log.html | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | Thank you! | 14:59 |
| zhipengh | thx everyone :) | 14:59 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 15:01:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
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| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
| qwebirc40067 | o/ | 15:01 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | Some folks might still be out for the holidays so toadya's session might be light | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Here is the agenda | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday January 4 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Storyboard Project for Monasca? | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Anyone going to PTG? https://www.openstack.org/ptg/Â | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 3.Release dates | 15:02 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | so, let's get started | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Storyboard Project for Monasca? | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | Who would like to discuss this? | 15:03 |
| stevejims | Hi, this was mine | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | stevejims: you have the floor | 15:04 |
| stevejims | Was looking to create a storing for logging API to Storyboard, but I think a Monasca project needs to be created | 15:04 |
| stevejims | wasn't sure who was the right person to ask | 15:04 |
| stevejims | *story | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | ahhh, this is coming back | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | you were going to work on a query api | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | and we sent you off to look at storyboard without knowing what that involved | 15:05 |
| stevejims | Yeah, we decided to try using Storyboard instead of a blueprint | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | unfortunately, i don't know what is involved either | 15:05 |
| stevejims | ha, yeah, all is forgiven | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | doeas anyone else have any thoughts | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | i don't want to hold up the process | 15:06 |
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| stevejims | Looks fairly straightforward to create stories and such, but need a project to attach stories to by the looks of it | 15:06 |
| bklei | i like the idea, just took a brief tour of it -- no objections | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | i started to look at storyboard before the holidays and tried to track down what to do next | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | unfortunately, i didn't find the details i was looking for | 15:07 |
| witek | I don't see the place where the project could be created | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/storyboard/ | 15:08 |
| stevejims | Yeah witek, I couldn't either | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/storyboard/webapi/v1.html | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | those are the links i saw | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | but nothing on how to get started with a new project | 15:08 |
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| stevejims | The API indicates only "admin" users can create projects, guess we have to find one of those | 15:09 |
| witek | they have a meeting at #openstack-meeting just now, I reckon | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth1 | i can follow-up in irc or someone else can | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth1 | There is this link too, https://github.com/openstack-infra/storyboard | 15:12 |
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| witek | and #storyboard | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | i think the only other idea is to ask in the irc room | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | for some pointers | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | if that doesn't go well, then probably should just go back to using launchpad | 15:13 |
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| bklei | agree | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth1 | stevejims: Do you want to follow-up in irc, or would you prefer that i do that | 15:13 |
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| stevejims | Happy to enquire sure | 15:14 |
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| rhochmuth1 | thx | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth1 | if you need me to do anything please let me know | 15:15 |
| stevejims | OK will do - how is best to get in touch? | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth1 | for example, there might be a project that i need to submit a review to to addmonasca to storyboard | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth1 | i'm also wondering what their recommendations are at this time | 15:16 |
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| witek | you mean, what should be tracked with storyboard and what not? | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth1 | correct | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth1 | like how to use the tool | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth1 | tutorial | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth1 | guidelines | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth1 | ... | 15:17 |
| witek | yes, would be useful | 15:17 |
| stevejims | witek - we were going to collaborate on some ideas for logging API - until we get the storyboard setup, how best would it be to coordinate - blueprint/email? | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth1 | stevejims: rhochmuth in irc, or roland dot hochmuth at hpe dot com | 15:18 |
| witek | the same for me | 15:18 |
| stevejims | IRC, yes? | 15:19 |
| witek | and email | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth1 | moving onto next topi | 15:20 |
| stevejims | OK will do - thanks guys | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth1 | thanks | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth1 | #topic Anyone going to PTG? https://www.openstack.org/ptg/Â | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth1 | yes, there are some folks going | 15:21 |
| bklei | rbak and myself are planning on going | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth1 | who asked the question? | 15:21 |
| bklei | wondering if it'll just be us staring at each other | 15:21 |
| bklei | me | 15:21 |
| witek | I won't be going, as of now | 15:22 |
| bklei | anyone else besides charter? | 15:22 |
| shinya_kwbt | I probably can't go this time. | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth1 | i believe joachime from SAP might be going | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth1 | sorry, joachim | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth1 | that is all i know about | 15:23 |
| bklei | any hpe? | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth1 | i'm not exactly sure | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth1 | most of the team involved in openstack is about to be transferred to SUSE | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth1 | I would expect involvement from SUSE | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth1 | but, i don't know | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth1 | i'll try and track down if there are any folks from the SUSE side that will be attending | 15:25 |
| bklei | cool | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth1 | right now i don't have plans to attend either | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth1 | but, i think we should look into a mid-cycle | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth1 | a remote mid-cycle | 15:26 |
| bklei | agree | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth1 | i was wondering about projects instrumenting themselves | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth1 | possibly using the Prometheus Python client library | 15:28 |
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| rhochmuth1 | or by developing a wrapper, possibly an oslo wrapper, that could be used to plugin Prometheus, Statsd or something else | 15:28 |
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| rhochmuth1 | i'm also wondering about involvement with other projects such as congress, watcher, vitrage, openstack ansible, … | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth1 | #topic Release dates | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth1 | witek: Did you add this? | 15:30 |
| witek | yes | 15:30 |
| witek | we are approaching the next dates in Ocata release | 15:31 |
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| witek | The deadline for non-client library releases is R-5 (19 Jan) | 15:31 |
| witek | it is especially relevant for monasca-statsd, I think | 15:31 |
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| witek | as it has cross-dependencies | 15:32 |
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| witek | if I understand it correctly, we should have the final version of monasca-statsd for Ocata on 19 Jan | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/monasca-statsd+status:open | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth1 | Looks like mostly small items to possibly get in | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth1 | if possible | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth1 | this review looks like a good one to merge, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407879/ | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth1 | this review is ready, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356434/ | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth1 | The bot wants to remove the datadog copyright, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394575/5/setup.py | 15:37 |
| dirk | rhochmuth1: yeah, I was wondering about that one, why -2'ing that? | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth1 | i -2'd that review, because of the issues we ran into earlier | 15:38 |
| dirk | it certainly doesn't look like datadog did any copyrightable changes to that file | 15:38 |
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| rhochmuth1 | well, technically, i think we could remove the copyright | 15:38 |
| dirk | right, since its coming from glocal requirements | 15:39 |
| dirk | global | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth1 | i was just being cautious | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth1 | since the agent and statsd was forked from datadog | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth1 | and we recently had to address some issues aroudn this | 15:40 |
| dirk | right, but this file was not forked from them | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth1 | i just changed to a +1 | 15:41 |
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| dirk | btw, is there a specific reason this still uses nosetests? | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth1 | no reason, just technical debt | 15:41 |
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| witek | the next upcoming date is 26 Jan | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth1 | witek: laszlo has this review up at, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356469/ | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth1 | and this one too, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356507/ | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth1 | so, those would be nice to get merged | 15:44 |
| witek | I could have a look next week | 15:44 |
| witek | actually still in vacation now | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth1 | ok, no problem, thanks for connecting in | 15:45 |
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| witek | but I'll ping Tomasz and Artur | 15:45 |
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| rhochmuth1 | thx | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth1 | i guess that is the end of the agenda | 15:46 |
| witek | Ocata 3 Milestone, with Feature and Requirements Freezes: 26 Jan | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth1 | sorry | 15:46 |
| witek | :) | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth1 | you had other dates | 15:46 |
| witek | that was the last one | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth1 | January 26th, already | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth1 | So, is that meant to be a functional complete date for new features? | 15:47 |
| witek | No featureful patch should be landed after this point. | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth1 | so, that leaves 3 weeks of development | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth1 | that is not very much time | 15:49 |
| witek | I think we can be more flexible with most of the projects, as we don't have many cross-dependencies | 15:50 |
| witek | but e.g. python-monascaclient has | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth1 | thx witek | 15:52 |
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| rhochmuth1 | any other updates or topics to discuss | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth1 | i guess we can end the meeting early then | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth1 | thanks everyone | 15:54 |
| witek | thank you | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth1 | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| bklei | thx | 15:55 |
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| shinya_kwbt | why there is no minutes? | 15:55 |
| shinya_kwbt | I got it rhochmuth1 name was changed. | 15:56 |
| dirk | because rhochmuth needs to end the meeting | 15:56 |
| dirk | rhochmuth1: can you rename yourself and end it ? :) | 15:56 |
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| markvoelker | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:00 |
| openstack | markvoelker: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | Uh-oh? | 16:00 |
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| markvoelker | ah, seems rhochmuth1 left the previous meeting open | 16:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | previous meeting was ended. Could you end meeting? | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | I don't have the necessary superpowers, but let me ping infra and see if someone there does | 16:02 |
| shinya_kwbt | thx. | 16:02 |
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| pabelanger | #endmeeting | 16:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 16:06:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-01-04-15.01.html | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-01-04-15.01.txt | 16:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-01-04-15.01.log.html | 16:06 |
| eglute | thanks pabelanger! | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | Thanks pabelanger! | 16:06 |
| pabelanger | sure, np | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 16:06:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | #chair eglute hogepodge | 16:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:06 |
| eglute | o/ | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | Happy New Year folks! | 16:06 |
| shamail | HNY | 16:06 |
| catherineD_ | o/ | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.7 Today's agenda | 16:07 |
| eglute | Happy New Year everyone!! | 16:07 |
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| markvoelker | We have a fairly short agenda today, so I'd like to take some time to hammer out the final changes for 2017.01. | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | But first... | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | #topic User Survey | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Survey (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:07 | |
| markvoelker | Apparently we have a window (which closes in five days) to submit a question to the user survey | 16:08 |
| eglute | we have opportunity to add one question! | 16:08 |
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| eglute | any suggestions on what we want to ask? | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | So we need to brainstorm fairly quickly on account of everyone being away for the holiday | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | (s) | 16:08 |
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| markvoelker | Let's use the etherpad for this | 16:09 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: do we know if there's a particular format or formats we have to adhere to? | 16:09 |
| eglute | markvoelker good idea | 16:09 |
| markvoelker | E.g. can we have open-ended, multiple choice, etc? | 16:09 |
| eglute | we can determine format | 16:09 |
| * shamail is in etherpad now | 16:10 | |
| shamail | Usually the format can be multiple choice or a text box | 16:10 |
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| eglute | right, different forms of multiple choice or text. | 16:13 |
| eglute | catherineD_ were you asked to provide a question to user survey as well? | 16:16 |
| shamail | catherineD_: Does RefStack also get to choice a question? | 16:16 |
| eglute | for refstack? | 16:16 |
| shamail | jinx! | 16:16 |
| eglute | shamail heheh | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | we have a question to request test resukts | 16:17 |
| shamail | Do you recall how it’s phrased? Will it help us identify why people may not be submitting as well? | 16:17 |
| * catherineD_ on the bus to work .. connection is not good ..sorry | 16:19 | |
| eglute | catherineD_ no worries | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | Ok, looks like the pad is getting quieter and we have 5 or so suggestions. | 16:19 |
| shamail | +1 | 16:19 |
| eglute | right, lets narrow down | 16:19 |
| hogepodge | I don't | 16:19 |
| eglute | we can ask only 1 question. so what is most important? | 16:20 |
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| eglute | I like this one: What barriers to interoperability are important to you? | 16:20 |
| eglute | but we would need good answers to present | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | eglute: we could probably take some of those from the issues report | 16:20 |
| eglute | markvoelker agreed | 16:21 |
| eglute | was just thinking that | 16:21 |
| eglute | "can offer up to six answer options. Use "other" as one of your answer options if you would like to offer an "other" text box." | 16:21 |
| eglute | I like the interop cases question as well | 16:22 |
| eglute | i think we could use our own section in the user survey :) | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | Yeah, I'm wondering if we can sort of already have some clues about that one though | 16:22 |
| shamail | I like the barriers to interop question… it lends itself well to this type of format | 16:23 |
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| markvoelker | The survey already asks some questions about why people are choosing OpenStack, and that question had a lot of those options IIRC | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | E.g. avoiding vendor lock-in, etc | 16:23 |
| eglute | markvoelker good point | 16:23 |
| eglute | need to look at all the other questions | 16:23 |
| shamail | I also think the question about whether “certification results” are used by customers is important info (e.g. is the Carrot/Stick working beyond vendors) but it is less crucial than the barriers one. | 16:24 |
| * markvoelker notes that even though he wrote it, he does not like the phrasing of the barriers question and will want to work on that a bit | 16:24 | |
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| eglute | how about we continue thinking about the questions, and then send some options to the mailing list, since we still have a few other things to cover in this meeting? | 16:25 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: I was about to suggest the same. =) Let me record a couple of AI's. | 16:25 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker to finalize wording of options and send doodle/email-asking-folks-to-vote-on-pad/etc this evening | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker to close poll and finalize results by...Friday? | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | This seems like it should be a quick and easy thing for folks to vote on by the end of the week...any objections? | 16:27 |
| * markvoelker hears none | 16:27 | |
| eglute | nope | 16:27 |
| eglute | sounds good to me | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | Ok then, let's move on and you can look for an email from me tonight. | 16:28 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | #topic Finishing Up 2017.01 | 16:28 |
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| markvoelker | We're a bit tardy finalizing a few things, so we need to hammer out the last couple of changes in the queue and create the doc for the BoD to review | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | The BoD meeting is January 24. | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | eglute: can you confirm if we're on the agenda? Or has that been set yet? | 16:29 |
| eglute | not set yet, but i will make sure we are! | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | ok, thanks | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | So, I think we just have a few changes left to land... | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408427/ Cinder change | 16:30 |
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| markvoelker | My only real question on this one was whether or not should include the list-api-versions capability as advisory since there's no test for it | 16:31 |
| shamail | I made the changes to the notes in scoring.txt and also added a note about transition in the description for each capability | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | If we knew that was being worked on (or even if there was a bug filed/assigned?) I'd be a bit more comfortable... | 16:31 |
| eglute | i agree | 16:31 |
| shamail | It’s another one of those markvoelker that highlight the transiition nature | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | Well, listing api versions should work regardless of whether you're on v2 or v3 (or support both), right? | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | So, it's not really dependent on the major version transition, it's just that there's no test? | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | Those tests are generally pretty easy to write (having written at least two of them myself)... | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | I'd rather qualify the advisory as versionless, as tests should work for both v2 and v3 | 16:35 |
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| hogepodge | I see no reason to ever drop v2 support, and the distinction is as confusing as everything else about microversions is | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: right, the intent here as I interpret it is basically testing GET / | 16:35 |
| hogepodge | This is kind of a side issue, in the addition of cinder-v3-* tests as advisory. I'd like to drop the v2 name (I can leave a comment in the review) | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | drop the v3 name that is | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | so cinder-* | 16:36 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | The last few times we'd discussed this we'd decided to duplicate the names to be clear that we require v3 going forward (see note on line 231 of scoring.txt) | 16:38 |
| shamail | eglute: +1 | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | E.g. we require microversion support going forward | 16:38 |
| eglute | markvoelker good point | 16:38 |
| hogepodge | that's exactly what I don't want to do, though. If v2 and v3 are interoperable, we should capture that and not penalize or confuse anyone who's on v2 | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | They're separate endpoints though | 16:39 |
| garloff | hogepodge: +1 | 16:39 |
| hogepodge | then we'll have an inflection point where we drop a bunch of interoperable products because they haven't updated fast enough, but not because they're not interoperable | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | because the v2/v3 is the only difference, and is highly discoverable | 16:40 |
| garloff | At some point the API will start to evolve -- then this is the right time to mandate v3, no? | 16:40 |
| * markvoelker notes that they'd be more discoverable if we had a test for listing api versions per above, but yes | 16:41 | |
| hogepodge | only if we require capabilities from later microversions | 16:41 |
| garloff | sure | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | which will certainly run into loads of scoring issues | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | yeah, I think that was part of the reason we'd decided to duplicate the names. At some point we may actually want to drop v2 from being required. | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | If we list both explicitly, that's pretty easy to do | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | If we don't, we may develop some implicit dependencies on v32 | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | *v3 | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | I'm willing to be wrong on this, I just want to acknowledge that the strategy for cinder v2 -> v3 was carefully considered by that team to preserve interoperability, and I don't want to ignore the semantics of that effort because of syntax | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | We don't necessary have to drop v2 when we make v3 required, either...they can coexist as long as necessary | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | what does happen is we require vendors to provide both endpoints then | 16:43 |
| shamail | hogepodge: +1 | 16:43 |
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| eglute | if the cinder team worked hard to preserve interop, then we should drop v2/v3 at some point | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: ack. Is that not desirable? E.g. are tools not told "here's an endpoint, go interact with it"? | 16:44 |
| hogepodge | I don't want v3 to exclude v2 unnecessarily, that's my main point | 16:44 |
| eglute | until we need to introduce verstions again | 16:44 |
| eglute | +1 hogepodge | 16:44 |
| * markvoelker also notes that the Cinder PTL +1'd this plan on line 233 of scoring.txt | 16:45 | |
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| hogepodge | so we don't start telling a bunch of clouds that they're no longer openstack overnight because they're running a perfectly fine endpoint they haven't upgraded yet because business reasons | 16:45 |
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| markvoelker | Would that really happen considering the Powered program allows for older versions? v3 couldn't even become required until it's in 3 releases. | 16:46 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: what is the different if they are not upgrade but still have to support v3 if we require both v2/v3 | 16:46 |
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| hogepodge | if it's the same tests, I guess it doesn't matter as long as version isn't explicitly tested | 16:48 |
| eglute | is the version being tested anywhere? | 16:48 |
| hogepodge | for the time being, I would strongly -1 any endpoint version tests that didn't allow both v2 and v3, because they're compatible with one another | 16:48 |
| catherineD | In tempest config user have the options to enable both v2 and v3 | 16:49 |
| eglute | right now looks like same tests | 16:49 |
| catherineD | or either v2 or v3 | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | They are the same tests. If you use a v2 endpoint, you don't get microversion headers (which the current tests don't rely on). | 16:50 |
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| catherineD | test may be the same but path (FQN) maybe different | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | At some point it seems like we're going to want clouds to support the headers though | 16:50 |
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| catherineD | and the guideline is based on FQN so they are treated as different tests | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | Because tools will be written to use them/change their behavior based on what versions are supported | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | v2 is certainly not going to be "future direction" forever (though it may be supported for a long time) | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | So I've no problem at all with the same tests being used or requiring v2 and v3 for some amount of time | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | require v2 or v3 | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | If the day comes when we no longer require v2 though, I'd like that to be explicit to users | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | the and vs or is a big difference, and I want a long lead time to let the transition happen in a reasonable way | 16:52 |
| eglute | since the tests are the same for now, how about we keep both versions? | 16:52 |
| hogepodge | cutting off all v2 because they don't have v3, or cutting off all v3 because they don't run v2, is counter to the goal of guaranteeing interoperability between clouds. | 16:52 |
| hogepodge | I agree it can't last forever, and v2 should be dropped at some point, but I want that point pushed out as long as the two work together, or the v2 endpoint is removed from service in covered releases | 16:53 |
| garloff | +1 | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: point taken. What are cinder's plans for removing v2? | 16:54 |
| hogepodge | v2 is listed as supported, I can check with thingee and sean about the team plans | 16:56 |
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| eglute | we are almost out of time. | 16:57 |
| eglute | so for now we agree to remove versions for cinder? | 16:58 |
| eglute | or did i misread that | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | I don't think there's agreement. :-D | 16:58 |
| eglute | ok... so there is still nova and swift left. everyone, please review those | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | I think we still want to make it clear that v3 is the way forward, we just need to figure out how to do it...can folks continue on #openstack-interop? I've got a couple ideas... | 16:58 |
| shamail | I think keeping both for now (v2/v3) is important to highlight transition | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | I'm just arguing strongly, but this is a group decision lead by eglute and markvoelker | 16:58 |
| eglute | and we can carry cinder discussion to our interop channel | 16:59 |
| eglute | hogepodge and markvoelker have both valid points | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | Ok, let's take the discussion there then (I can hang around for a bit) | 16:59 |
| eglute | me too | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | #action everyone finish reviews of the outstanding 2017.01 patches | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | And with that we'll have to close | 16:59 |
| eglute | thanks! | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| shamail | thx | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 17:00:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-01-04-16.06.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-01-04-16.06.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-01-04-16.06.log.html | 17:00 |
| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 17:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
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| mriedem | o/ | 17:00 |
| dansmith | ohai | 17:00 |
| dtp | here | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
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| dansmith | cool | 17:01 |
| dansmith | #topic testing/bugs | 17:01 |
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| mriedem | so, | 17:01 |
| dansmith | anything here? I've been disconnected for >2 weeks, so I wouldn't know if we have any fires burning, | 17:01 |
| mriedem | there aren't fires | 17:02 |
| mriedem | just a general nod that i need to get the nova-status upgrade check stuff into our ci system, | 17:02 |
| mriedem | i haven't yet dug into where to place that in the flow, | 17:02 |
| dansmith | okay | 17:02 |
| mriedem | i think it could be in grenade and/or devstack, because it also works for base installs | 17:02 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure at what point grenade has the ocata code pip installed but not started - i think that's devstack | 17:03 |
| mriedem | unless there is a post-install / pre-start hook | 17:03 |
| mriedem | if not, i might have to use a venv? | 17:03 |
| dansmith | hmm | 17:03 |
| dansmith | can't imagine people being super excited about that.. I was thinking it would be in the pre-upgrade stuff in grenade where we have installed, but not started things yet | 17:03 |
| dansmith | and if that isn't actually a phase, then we probably need it to be | 17:04 |
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| mriedem | heh yeah i'm not sure if that exists | 17:04 |
| mriedem | but i haven't dug into it yet either | 17:04 |
| dansmith | okay | 17:04 |
| mriedem | i can, and if i get stuck i'll bug sdague | 17:04 |
| dansmith | okay | 17:04 |
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| dansmith | anything else here? | 17:05 |
| dansmith | #topic open reviews | 17:05 |
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| dansmith | so, my mega series is becoming less mega, which is cool: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/cells-scheduling-interaction | 17:06 |
| dansmith | merged another thing yesterday | 17:06 |
| dansmith | the bottom patch is bumping up against the cellsv1 job not having cellsv2 mappings setu | 17:06 |
| mriedem | yeah.... | 17:06 |
| dansmith | I've got a WIP against devstack to do that and see how it goes | 17:06 |
| mriedem | cool | 17:06 |
| dansmith | I *think* we left that unconverted just to have one job that wasn't or something | 17:07 |
| dansmith | hoping there's not something more complicated needed, but we'll see | 17:07 |
| mriedem | i don't think we put that much thought into it | 17:07 |
| mriedem | unless laski did | 17:07 |
| mriedem | i think we just did it because 'this probably blows up with cells v1 so let's not anger that troll yet' | 17:07 |
| dansmith | yeah, maybe | 17:07 |
| melwitt | heh | 17:07 |
| dansmith | so, that's all from me.. who else has stuff up that needs calling out? | 17:08 |
| dtp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415922/ | 17:08 |
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| dansmith | sweet | 17:08 |
| melwitt | I put up a first draft of the quota resource counting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416521/ this morning | 17:08 |
| dansmith | dtp: I'll take a look at that later today.. hopefully melwitt will as well | 17:09 |
| dtp | thanks | 17:09 |
| melwitt | yeah, will do | 17:09 |
| mriedem | dtp: you need to fix the commit message :) | 17:09 |
| mriedem | that's my review contribution | 17:09 |
| dtp | can i edit this UI to word wrap? :P | 17:09 |
| mriedem | dtp: i'd do it locally | 17:09 |
| dtp | will do | 17:10 |
| dtp | is that 80 chars too? | 17:10 |
| dansmith | okay, got both of those things on the priorities tracking etherpad | 17:10 |
| mriedem | dtp: whatever this says https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 17:10 |
| mriedem | wrap at 79 | 17:10 |
| melwitt | I think it's more like 72 I think but I don't think anything checks | 17:10 |
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| mriedem | yeah ^ says 72 | 17:11 |
| dtp | okey dokey, thanks | 17:11 |
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| mriedem | melwitt: you had some WIP patches for moving quotas to the API DB | 17:11 |
| mriedem | i think lacking tests, was that all that was making them WIPs? | 17:11 |
| melwitt | mriedem: yeah, still do. need to add a bunch o tests, and I think trim down the quota class migration to be only the default class maybe | 17:12 |
| mriedem | i guess we never settled on that | 17:12 |
| mriedem | but since custom quota classes aren't used anyway, i think that's fine | 17:13 |
| melwitt | I also have this patch for adding message queue switching back to target_cell https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411543/ | 17:13 |
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| mriedem | but i assume the migration code is rather generic anyway so i'm not sure how much it matters | 17:13 |
| melwitt | yeah, the way I have it right now it'll migrate all quota classes the user has, which is maybe better anyway | 17:14 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: another thing i thought about last night | 17:16 |
| mriedem | on your bottom patch for listing instances across cells, | 17:16 |
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| mriedem | we talked about a dumb merge sort, is that later in the series? | 17:16 |
| dansmith | mriedem: not yet | 17:17 |
| mriedem | ok. it also got me thinking, | 17:17 |
| dansmith | mriedem: figured we'd add that before we add a release note saying that multiple cells is technically supported | 17:17 |
| mriedem | since we stack build requests then cell0 then cells instances, | 17:17 |
| mriedem | any sort order thing is out of whack today anyway | 17:17 |
| mriedem | so i guess it could just be considered a bug | 17:18 |
| mriedem | idk, my point is i'm not terribly concerned about it right now | 17:18 |
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| dansmith | so today you'll get the barber pole results across all cells, which I think is what you're getting at | 17:18 |
| mriedem | right | 17:18 |
| dansmith | presumably some people will want to just disable the dumb sorting thing anyway | 17:18 |
| mriedem | but even with a single cell, | 17:18 |
| dansmith | right, I know | 17:18 |
| mriedem | ok | 17:19 |
| mriedem | yeah my point being it's already 'busted' | 17:19 |
| dansmith | yeah | 17:19 |
| mriedem | since newton | 17:19 |
| mriedem | ok | 17:19 |
| mriedem | lucky for us everyone is still on <=mitaka | 17:19 |
| dansmith | heh | 17:19 |
| mriedem | ok i don't have anything else | 17:19 |
| melwitt | "lucky" :) | 17:19 |
| dansmith | okay any other reviews up that need visibility? | 17:20 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 17:20 |
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| dansmith | anything else about anything? | 17:20 |
| mriedem | nope | 17:22 |
| dtp | not me | 17:22 |
| dansmith | alrighty then | 17:22 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 17:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 17:22:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-01-04-17.00.html | 17:22 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-01-04-17.00.txt | 17:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-01-04-17.00.log.html | 17:22 |
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| betherly | Hi sorry I'm late! | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | Hi betherly, I think per the ML, no meeting today | 20:04 |
| rdopiera | I'm not sure there is a meeting | 20:04 |
| rdopiera | david-lyle: I didn't see any cancelling e-mail | 20:05 |
| betherly | Ah ok! Sorry I missed that :) thanks for the heads up david-lyle and rdopiera | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | was sent some time ago | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109461.html | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | we can ad hoc if there's a need | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | or just talk in #openstack-horizon | 20:07 |
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| rdopiera | I don't have anything urgent | 20:11 |
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