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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 14:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | o/ | 14:00 |
| zemuvier | hi | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:00 |
| esikachev | hi | 14:01 |
| shuyingya | o/ | 14:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:01 |
| esikachev | o/(it will be better) | 14:02 |
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| raissa | o/ | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | anyone else is going to join? | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | egafford, maybe? | 14:04 |
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| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 14:05 |
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| esikachev | working on python3 jobs | 14:05 |
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| vgridnev | okay, what is new folks? seems like we finished transitioning of jobs on xenial, right? | 14:06 |
| zemuvier | continue working on negative tests for cli | 14:06 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: yep | 14:06 |
| shuyingya | working on cleaning up before and after | 14:06 |
| tosky | the transition seems complete, yes; there is an issue maybe related with it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405394/ | 14:07 |
| tosky | but let's talk about it later | 14:07 |
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| tosky | on my side, still more on internal work, but I'm keeping more than one eye on reviews and code (like the issue on the stable branches spotted few days ago) | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | I was actually working on squashing several bugs in sahara, helping people to get right direction with working sahara; + was involved a little bit in python3 activities | 14:08 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, what issue in stable? | 14:08 |
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| egafford | o/ | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | \o/ | 14:09 |
| egafford | :) | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | egafford, we've just started, sharing updates | 14:09 |
| tosky | vgridnev: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/ca7d2ea213ffb4031f43b95b42275eb03b76c206,n,z , and the changes to force Ubuntu Trusty for older versions on s-i-e for few images | 14:09 |
| egafford | Status: Downstream release secure; back upstream like the 6-month-cycle salmon I am. :) | 14:10 |
| vgridnev | tosky, uh, remember that | 14:10 |
| vgridnev | egafford, any progress with publishing first templates for image gen? I remember from summit that Ambari was almost ready | 14:11 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Yup; it's a few patches; need to separate them out to push over the next few days. | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, any updates to share? | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ sorry I`m late | 14:13 |
| egafford | o/ tellesnobrega. On status now. | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | egafford, cool! | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | not much, I wrote the patch on the name check, but will try to get working with regex_search as suggested | 14:13 |
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| tellesnobrega | on the storm integration I'm still fight maven build, probably going to take a step back, start a pseud-distributed hadoop and see if works, and move on to a real sahara cluster | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | nothing else from me on this front | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | uh, forgot. there is a spec on review from me, looks like a pretty straightforward agreement on discussions we did at summit | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397242/ | 14:16 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Reviewing right now. :) | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | I wasn't at the summit, but it does make sense | 14:17 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:18 |
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| tosky | as mentioned before, this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405394/ if passes, should fix the gates (pending investigation why cinder gets crazy) | 14:19 |
| tosky | and also please review the backports for the stable branches; maybe we should release new versions of s-i-e for those versions afterwards | 14:20 |
| vgridnev | so, if someone willing to apply for travel support on PTG, you still have around 1 week to do so. | 14:20 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, ok, I'll take a look stable reviews, about 405394, do we need to back port that as well? | 14:21 |
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| vgridnev | I guess at least for newton, if it's related to xenial | 14:22 |
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| tosky | vgridnev: yeah, but I think we would notice it for newton reviews | 14:23 |
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| tosky | let's see if it works | 14:23 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, it fails scenario tests, right? | 14:23 |
| vgridnev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398951/1 | 14:24 |
| tosky | yes, it fails when volumes are accessed | 14:24 |
| vgridnev | passed 3 hours ago | 14:24 |
| tosky | http://logs.openstack.org/28/397128/15/check/gate-sahara-tests-dsvm-scenario-neutron-ubuntu-xenial/b128666/logs/screen-c-vol.txt.gz#_2016-12-01_12_52_33_001 | 14:24 |
| tosky | uhm | 14:24 |
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| vgridnev | so, probably there is some change in cinder... that breaks stuff | 14:25 |
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| tosky | I don't see changes in cinder that could affect that | 14:27 |
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| vgridnev | let's welcome shuyingya one more time. shuyingya interested in contributing to sahara and I recommended to participate in our meetings. Let's help to get involved in our project! | 14:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | shuyingya, welcome | 14:30 |
| tellesnobrega | hi shuyingya, welcome | 14:30 |
| tellesnobrega | if you need any help, let us know | 14:30 |
| shuyingya | thanks all | 14:31 |
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| shuyingya | I am not sure what I can do for sahara, If there are some tasks I can take, that would be great. | 14:32 |
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| shuyingya | But the domain knowledge about openstack is limited I think. | 14:33 |
| tosky | oh, shuyingya! | 14:33 |
| vgridnev | shuyingya, if you are interested in some task to complete in sahara, you always can pick up bug without assignee; saying about features, I guess that we can find ongoing activity | 14:33 |
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| vgridnev | for example, I saw, that you was working with cdh plugin, you may probably can help us to support CDH 5.9 which was already released. | 14:34 |
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| tellesnobrega | I got matched to mentor someone on the sahara project. Her name is Shaifali Agrawal, and I just got an email confirming that she will be able to participate, so we will probably get more hands to work on Sahara now | 14:34 |
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| vgridnev | that would be a great contribution | 14:34 |
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| vgridnev | egafford has intern as well, right? | 14:35 |
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| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:36 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Yup, Marianne is starting in on the task. | 14:36 |
| tellesnobrega | marianne, but she isn't here right now | 14:36 |
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| tellesnobrega | probably good to let her know of our meeting schedules, so she be a part of it as well | 14:36 |
| shuyingya | nice, I will try to support this issue ^^ | 14:36 |
| egafford | tellesnobrega: I have, but I'll ping her again about them. | 14:37 |
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| tellesnobrega | egafford, cool :) i know you would've already done that | 14:37 |
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| egafford | Eh, I sometimes don't do things. See image generation still needing posting. :) | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | lol | 14:38 |
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| vgridnev | shuyingya, so, if you are willing to contribute cdh 5.9, let me know. Also, it would be helpful if file blueprint to sahara | 14:40 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara | 14:41 |
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| vgridnev | that will help us to track progress of implementation | 14:42 |
| vgridnev | anything else we can cover today on meeting? | 14:42 |
| shuyingya | Yes, vgridnev. I want to do this. And I will settle down to do it tomorrow^^ | 14:43 |
| vgridnev | cool | 14:43 |
| vgridnev | ok, seems like we've done. thanks everyone! | 14:45 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 14:45:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-12-01-14.00.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-12-01-14.00.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-12-01-14.00.log.html | 14:45 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks all | 14:45 |
| shuyingya | thanks | 14:45 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 15:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | Good morning? | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | who is here for the L3 sub-team meeting? | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Good morning :) | 15:01 |
| * tidwellr raises his hand | 15:01 | |
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| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | First of, Ocata-2 is about 2 weeks away | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Please note that this cycle is shorter than usual | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | So Ocata-3 will take place on January 23-27 | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | Please take this into consideration for your planned deliverables | 15:04 |
| john-davidge | These cycles just get shorter and shorter... | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Well, we are adjusting to the new community gatherings format.... | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | so the next annoucement is to remind the team about the Atlanta PTG: | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | February 20 - 24 | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | I understand there is a limit of 500 people for this event | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | As of last Monday, it was mentioned there was a litle more tan 300 spaces available | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | And everybody pays $100 to register | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | 336 reamining as of 30 seconds ago :-) | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | Any other annoucements from the team? | 15:08 |
| * john-davidge wonders how many people will recieve PTG tickets for Christmas | 15:08 | |
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| mlavalle | All I want for Christmas is a PTG ticket.... | 15:09 |
| haleyb | I will not be attending, had already planned a vacation the same week, but will help with planning | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | ;-( | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1540983 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540983 in OpenStack-Gate "Gate failures for neutron in test_dualnet_multi_prefix_slaac" [Undecided,Expired] | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | I sepent a good amount of time with this one yesterday | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | spent^^^ | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | There were 24 hits over the past 7 days | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | I went through them. All of them were patches that were failing a lot of other tests, or.... | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | were failing gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial with another 27 tests | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I have noticed that this job has been problematic over the past few days | 15:13 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: probably due to the devstack issue, think it should be fixed but i also saw it fail today | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | In fact I see that haleyb has been wrestling with it over with this patchset: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398016 | 15:14 |
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| haleyb | yes, i was surprised to see the failure, but it was keystone timeout in the logs | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | I have seen it with several other patches over the past few days | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | the same 28 tests failing | 15:15 |
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| haleyb | linuxbridge was definitely broken monday and tuesday | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | ok, in that case I am going to remove our bug | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: do you know if soeone filed a bug related to that job's failure? | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | someone^^^^ | 15:16 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yes, the change was reverted, armando had sent an email to the list | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: do you have it handy? | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on.... | 15:18 |
| haleyb | i'll look | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: I'll look for it, don't worry :-) | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | I asked just in case you had it handy | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | There is a fix proposed for this one: | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390594 | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | I also spent a good chunk of time yesterday reviewing this patchset | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | Pretty interesting. It uses sqlalchemy events to notify the ipan driver is the port creation failed | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | so ips don't get forgotten | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | Getting up to speed with sqlalchemy events. I intend to finish my review today or tomorrow | 15:21 |
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| tidwellr | I remember that approach being discussed... | 15:21 |
| tidwellr | I'll have a look as well | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr: I recommend reading through Carl's comments in the bug | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | He points to an irc conversation that is very enlightening | 15:22 |
| tidwellr | mlavalle: ack | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr: place special attention to the irc chat | 15:23 |
| tidwellr | will do | 15:23 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: archive pointer for linuxbridge breakage at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/108164.html | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: I appreciate it! | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | any other comments on this bug | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | ok, next one is: | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1570122 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570122 in neutron "ipv6 prefix delegated subnets are not accessable external of the router they are attached." [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: last meeting you asked to be poked about this one :-) | 15:25 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: I've cleared my calendar to work on this tomorrow and Monday. It *will* get my attention! | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: thanks! | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1636963 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1636963 in neutron "Service Subnets - DHCP port creation fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | I spent sometime on Tuesday pondering this one | 15:27 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Updated the patch with a release note as we discussed last time, no reviews since. | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: yeah I saw that. Thanks for posting the realese notes | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392183/ | 15:28 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: sorry, i need to look | 15:28 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: No worries, feedback either way appreciated | 15:28 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: A minus one is just as helpful as a +1 in this case, at least then I have a reason to change the approach | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: i'll take a look again today and leave my comments | 15:29 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: Thanks | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | To tell you the truth, at this point I don't see anything wrong with dhcp being an exception | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | The last 2 bugs today are the next in my list after I close the one we discussed at the beginning | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | If someone is interested in helping with those, please ping me | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,Confirmed] | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | and the other one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | I'll tackel them sequentially unless someone wants to help | 15:34 |
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| mlavalle | any other bugs from the team? | 15:35 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: there was a new one, let me find it | 15:36 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1645317 | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1645317 in neutron "FIP and router iptables are not updated when associated port ip address is changed" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:37 |
| * mlavalle looking | 15:38 | |
| haleyb | i have not confirmed by testing yet | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: are you going to finish triaging it? | 15:38 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i was going to try, yes | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: thanks. If you confirm it, please tag with l3-ipam-dhcp so we can track it :-) | 15:39 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: alreay tagged :) | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | thanks :-) | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs? | 15:40 |
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| johnbelamaric | dropped in late, did you talk about hte IPAM one? | 15:40 |
| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: oh, i see it in the log | 15:40 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1645547 is new too, i'll make sure it's tagged | 15:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1645547 in neutron "The qrouter namespace can't be removed when l3-agent rebooting." [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to siyingchun (wintersi) | 15:40 |
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| johnbelamaric | yes, we have a proposed fix that's been out there for a while (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390594/) | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: yes, I am slowly reviewing it | 15:41 |
| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: ok, thanks. | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for posting it. It's just that we are a bit short of hands for now | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | and I had to get up to speed with the sqlalchemy events approach | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: tidwellr is also going to take a look at it | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: Thanks! | 15:43 |
| johnbelamaric | perfect, thanks. no problem, just wanted to make sure folks knew the review was up | 15:43 |
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| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: it show in Neutron global priorities: | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=%28project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dofagent+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dbgpvpn+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dovn+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dmidonet+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dbagpipe+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron%2Dlib+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dsfc+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fpython%2Dneutroncl | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | ient+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron%2Dspecs+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dodl+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron%2Dfwaas+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron%2Ddynamic%2Drouting%29+status%3Aopen+NOT+owner%3Aself+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+NOT+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D%2D2%2Cself+branch%3Amaster&title=Neutron+ocata%2D2+Review+Inbox&Approved+RFE+neutron=%2 | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | 8message%3A1457556+OR+message%3A1458890+OR+message%3A1463784+OR+message%3A1468366+OR+message%3A1492714+OR+message%3A1498987+OR+message%3A1504039+OR+message%3A1507499+OR+message%3A1512666+OR+message%3A1516195+OR+message%3A1520719+OR+message%3A1521291+OR+message%3A1522102+OR+message%3A1523219+OR+message%3A1525059+OR+message%3A1539717+OR+message%3A1541579+OR+message%3A1558812+OR+message%3A1560961+OR | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | +message%3A1561824+OR+message%3A1563967+OR+message%3A1566520+OR+message%3A1577488+OR+message%3A1578989+OR+message%3A1579068+OR+message%3A1580327+OR+message%3A1583184+OR+message%3A1585770+OR+message%3A1586056%29&High+Bugs+neutron=%28message%3A1365461+OR+message%3A1375625+OR+message%3A1403455+OR+message%3A1506567+OR+message%3A1552960+OR+message%3A1555356+OR+message%3A1599936+OR+message%3A1610483+OR | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | +message%3A1614866+OR+message%3A1626010+OR+message%3A1630748+OR+message%3A1634123+OR+message%3A1636963+OR+message%3A1641535+OR+message%3A1644415%29&Blueprints+neutron=%28topic%3Abp%2Fadopt%2Doslo%2Dversioned%2Dobjects%2Dfor%2Ddb+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fneutron%2Dlib+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fonline%2Dupgrades+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fpush%2Dnotifications+OR+topic%3Abp%2Frouted%2Dnetworks+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fenginefacade%2Dswit | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | ch+OR+topic%3Abp%2Ffwaas%2Dapi%2D2.0+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fl2%2Dapi%2Dextensions+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fneutron%2Din%2Dtree%2Dapi%2Dref+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fsecurity%2Dgroup%2Dlogging+OR+topic%3Abp%2Ftroubleshooting%29&Approved+RFE+python%2Dneutronclient=%28message%3A1457556%29&High+Bugs+python%2Dneutronclient=%28message%3A1549876+OR+message%3A1643849%29 | 15:44 |
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| mlavalle | mlavalle: oops sorrey about that | 15:44 |
| tidwellr | :) | 15:44 |
| johnbelamaric | whew :) | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: click on Neutron here and you will see this bug there, so it is definitely not lost: http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs? | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:46 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Prefix delegation | 15:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Prefix delegation (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:46 | |
| mlavalle | baoli: do you want to give a quick update? | 15:46 |
| baoli | mlavalle: I have a patch up and got some comments. Last week I got bogged down by something else, and hasn't been able to address the comments. But I'm I got some time working on it. | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | baoli: any help you need? | 15:48 |
| baoli | malvalle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399662/ | 15:48 |
| baoli | mlavalle: not right now. | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | thanks for the update | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BGP Dynamic Routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:49 | |
| mlavalle | welcome back tidwellr .... yaay! | 15:49 |
| tidwellr | good to be here | 15:49 |
| tidwellr | real quick, we could use some eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357722/ | 15:49 |
| tidwellr | as well as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372310/ | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr: will take a look. anything else? | 15:51 |
| tidwellr | that's it today, still re-orienting myself | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | ok, glad to see you here. Thanks! | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | #topic Service Subnets | 15:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Service Subnets (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:52 | |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Didn't we take this off the agenda last time? | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge, haleyb: no, we decided to keep it in the agenda for a missing doc | 15:52 |
| john-davidge | Ah, I see | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | do we want to discuss that. If you tell me it is not needed, I'm fine removing it from the agenda | 15:53 |
| * haleyb picks up rug, sweeps doc under it :) | 15:53 | |
| mlavalle | haleyb: LOL | 15:54 |
| john-davidge | I have nothing to add, if anybody else has something to discuss I'm happy to keep it | 15:54 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: :D | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:54 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: i can copy/paste the slide from the presentation, just need to find the doc | 15:54 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: yeah, that was the comment last time | 15:55 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: great | 15:55 |
| john-davidge | :) | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | and after that we close it | 15:55 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yes, i do tend to repeat myself | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: I didn't mean that. I was just glad that we have a clear next step :-) | 15:55 |
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| mlavalle | let's move one | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | #topic Conversion to Pluggable IPAM | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Conversion to Pluggable IPAM (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:56 | |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: we have a pending point about an update to the doc | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | do you still plan to do it? | 15:56 |
| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: there is a bug on that for me, right? let me look at it. | 15:57 |
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| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: thanks! | 15:58 |
| mlavalle | ok, we are at time | 15:58 |
| mlavalle | I am glad I got to review the loose ends | 15:59 |
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| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: I did make some updates to it but it needs another revision probably. I will take care of it or ask someone else here too if I don't have time | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: Thanks! | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | Have a nice rest of your day team | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 15:59:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-12-01-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-12-01-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-12-01-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 16:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | cdent: LOL, you beat me to it | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chair etoews elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
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| cdent | :) | 16:00 |
| etoews | o/ | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
| cdent | has elmiko returned from | 16:00 |
| cdent | well there ya go | 16:01 |
| elmiko | i has =) | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | hi o/ | 16:01 |
| cdent | edleafe: you about? | 16:01 |
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| cdent | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| edleafe | yup | 16:01 |
| cdent | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
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| cdent | #link previous meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-11-17-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| cdent | one agenda item was on edleafe, he did it, made it happen, guideline for nin now under review | 16:02 |
| cdent | s/agenda/action/ | 16:02 |
| cdent | #topic open mic | 16:02 |
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| cdent | there's one listed there, but before we get to that anyone have anything? | 16:02 |
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| edleafe | there are two | 16:03 |
| edleafe | I added one ~30 min ago | 16:03 |
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| cdent | ah, awesome | 16:03 |
| cdent | well let's do your then: | 16:03 |
| cdent | #topic Clarifying use of 400 vs. 404 | 16:04 |
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| cdent | #link review with conflicting 400 vs 404: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401941/ | 16:04 |
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| edleafe | ok, the guideline at https://github.com/openstack/api-wg/blob/master/guidelines/http.rst#id7 is what I'm concerned with | 16:04 |
| edleafe | It states that if a resource passed in the body of a request isn't found, to return 400, not 404, because 404 means just the URI | 16:05 |
| edleafe | My concern is that 400 means that the request is malformed or otherwise has bad syntax | 16:05 |
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| cdent | 400 is also the "something is wrong and nothing else fits, but you might be able to fix it on your side" | 16:06 |
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| edleafe | I don't agree that a perfectly-formed request that references a resource that doesn't exist should be a 400 | 16:06 |
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| cdent | I think I probably wrote the bit you are objecting to (I can't remember for sure). Can you point to the part of the rfc that makes you think otherwise? | 16:07 |
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| edleafe | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-6.5.1 | 16:07 |
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| edleafe | the only thing that suggests being a catch-all is "perceived to be" | 16:08 |
| cdent | yeah, that's not the thing, the reason to use 404 is in 6.5.4: "that the origin server did not find a current representation for the target resource" | 16:08 |
| cdent | so 404 is wrong | 16:08 |
| cdent | 400 may also be wrong, but it definitely should not be 404 | 16:08 |
| elmiko | 409 stands out as a possible likely candidate with 400 | 16:09 |
| elmiko | although, also not perfect | 16:09 |
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| etoews | i don't think it's a 409 | 16:09 |
| cdent | no, 409 wouldn't be very good oeither | 16:09 |
| cdent | which is why we fall back to 400... | 16:10 |
| elmiko | right | 16:10 |
| edleafe | yeah, 409 seems as poor a fit as 400 | 16:10 |
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| edleafe | So are we stuck with 400, but with a honking good error message? | 16:11 |
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| etoews | i think 400 would be okay with a good error message | 16:11 |
| cdent | yeah, pretty much | 16:11 |
| edleafe | Dinesh_Bhor: how does that sound to you? | 16:11 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Agree | 16:11 |
| etoews | has cinder adopted the error message guideline? | 16:11 |
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| edleafe | ok, I'll re-review with an eye on the error messages | 16:12 |
| elmiko | i like honking good error messages, in general XD | 16:12 |
| etoews | beep beep | 16:12 |
| cdent | are honking and stonking the same? | 16:12 |
| elmiko | doesn't seem like it, at the least there are 3 character different | 16:12 |
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| * cdent thinks maybe we should send elmiko back | 16:12 | |
| edleafe | cdent: kindred spirits | 16:13 |
| elmiko | oh please do, i fell in love with al Andaluz | 16:13 |
| cdent | :) | 16:13 |
| cdent | So, is that resolved then? | 16:13 |
| edleafe | topol_: you and stevemar are one and the same?? | 16:14 |
| edleafe | :) | 16:14 |
| * cdent moves on | 16:14 | |
| edleafe | cdent: Yes, I don't see a better solution | 16:14 |
| cdent | #topic Let's discuss dropping APIImpact as a thing, not only do we not do it, but what it means in commit messages is not the same as how we intended to make use of it? | 16:14 |
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| edleafe | cdent: I'll propose some extra wording to the guideline to clarify | 16:14 |
| cdent | edleafe++ | 16:14 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Could someone please comment on the patch so that it will be easy for me to convience cinder community to accept it? | 16:15 |
| cdent | my reasoning on this is that having something we intend to do but never do and we have a more workable solution anyway just seems like bad form, so we may as well dump it, if we can | 16:15 |
| cdent | The "if we can" is wondering if we have some kind or charter or otherwise that requires it? | 16:15 |
| elmiko | cdent: that is sound reasoning | 16:15 |
| edleafe | Dinesh_Bhor: yes, I'll do that | 16:15 |
| elmiko | it's a great aspiration, but we have sadly fallen short | 16:16 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | edleafe: ok, thank you | 16:16 |
| etoews | cdent: do you mean dump it from our meeting or dump it from all of openstack everywhere? | 16:16 |
| cdent | most of the time human interaction seems to work the best (as today) | 16:16 |
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| cdent | etoews: I mean dump it from our meeting, our newsletter, and any other documents we have | 16:16 |
| edleafe | Dinesh_Bhor: the question is always "is it worth it", and that you'll have to work out amongst yourselves | 16:16 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | edleafe: yes, I will | 16:17 |
| cdent | as far as I can tell it operates as a signal within each project independent of whatever it means to us | 16:17 |
| edleafe | cdent: would there be a way for a patch submitter to indicate that they would like it reviewed by the API WG? | 16:17 |
| edleafe | cdent: or do they have to do that with this meeting, or the ML? | 16:17 |
| cdent | right now it seems the ML is the defacto way, with followups here, and that seems to be working? | 16:18 |
| etoews | afaik and as far as our docs are concerned, i think it's only in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group | 16:18 |
| cdent | the [api] tag is visible and meaningful | 16:18 |
| cdent | If we choose to make the change I can take the action to cleanup wiki and anything else | 16:19 |
| etoews | i agree that [api] on ml and bringing folks into this meeting seems to be working well enough | 16:19 |
| edleafe | etoews: that's the doc I had in mind | 16:20 |
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| cdent | should we poll the world or is it okay to decide unilaterally? | 16:20 |
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| etoews | i don't think we need to poll the world | 16:20 |
| cdent | (me neither) | 16:20 |
| * cdent looks at elmiko | 16:21 | |
| edleafe | but... what if we accidentally offend someone??? | 16:21 |
| * cdent gives edleafe a cookie | 16:21 | |
| etoews | i don't think we should tell people to stop using it though | 16:21 |
| cdent | well done | 16:21 |
| cdent | oh yeah, I wasn't suggesting that | 16:21 |
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| etoews | kk | 16:21 |
| elmiko | hmm | 16:21 |
| edleafe | etoews: we should tell them that it is no longer a bat signal | 16:21 |
| elmiko | maybe follow our normal proceedure, and signal that we will deprecate APIImpact and see if there is a huge backlash? | 16:22 |
| edleafe | IOW, that we are largely ignoring it | 16:22 |
| cdent | that's already obvious from several months of saying that in the newsletter (every single time) | 16:22 |
| edleafe | APIImpact has other uses | 16:22 |
| cdent | yes, which is why we're not telling people not to use it, just that it won't mean anything to the api-wg | 16:23 |
| edleafe | we use it in Nova for indicating a need for microversions, release notes, etc. | 16:23 |
| edleafe | cdent: exactly. Not the API WG bat signal | 16:23 |
| * cdent nods | 16:23 | |
| elmiko | cdent: +1 | 16:24 |
| cdent | cool, whoever gets the newsletter can say something about that, and also remove that chunk from the newsletter etherpad, I'll do the wiki etc | 16:24 |
| cdent | #action cdent to clean up persistent docs to indicate that APIImpact is no longer an api-wg bat signal, [api] ml tag and agenda are. | 16:25 |
| cdent | #agreed APIImpact is no longer the api-wg bat signal | 16:26 |
| cdent | any other opens? | 16:26 |
| etoews | i don't think we want to say "deprecate APIImpact" | 16:26 |
| etoews | that will give the impression that people should stop using it | 16:26 |
| cdent | yeah, good point etoews | 16:26 |
| elmiko | fair | 16:27 |
| cdent | I think "bat signal" is about right, but is too colloquial? | 16:27 |
| etoews | simply say that we're not actively reviewing apiimpact anymore and to hit us up on the ml with [api] | 16:27 |
| elmiko | should we change the language in the newsletter to direct folks towards making an email with [api]? | 16:27 |
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| * cdent buys the jinxers a coke | 16:27 | |
| elmiko | lol | 16:27 |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:29 |
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| cdent | #link pending guidelines https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:29 |
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| cdent | nin is freezable? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399131/ | 16:29 |
| cdent | (other two not) | 16:30 |
| edleafe | not a lot of controversy, eh? | 16:30 |
| elmiko | seems like it is | 16:30 |
| cdent | edleafe: politics fatigue :) | 16:30 |
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| cdent | "wanna fight about it?" "nah" | 16:31 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:31 |
| cdent | etoews: you wanna freeze that one? | 16:32 |
| edleafe | big whoop | 16:32 |
| etoews | cdent: sure | 16:32 |
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| cdent | nothing is ready to merge | 16:34 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:34 |
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| cdent | there are no new bugs | 16:34 |
| cdent | since elmiko has been away for a while that means he has to do 20 penalty bugs | 16:35 |
| elmiko | wow | 16:35 |
| elmiko | so harsh | 16:35 |
| elmiko | =) | 16:36 |
| edleafe | elmiko: yeah, cdent doesn't mess around | 16:36 |
| elmiko | seriously | 16:36 |
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| cdent | Yeah, I'm all about amassing and abusing power. | 16:37 |
| elmiko | hahaha | 16:37 |
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| edleafe | "You will all bow down before me!!!" | 16:38 |
| cdent | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:38 |
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| cdent | is anyone aching to be the newletter editor this week? or shall we work on it together in the next 20 mins? | 16:38 |
| cdent | #link newsletter etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:39 |
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| elmiko | i'm all for collaboration | 16:39 |
| cdent | sweet, i mean suite | 16:40 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:40 |
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| edleafe | Pushed the change for the 400v404 thing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405515/ | 16:47 |
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| cdent | how's the etherpad seem? | 16:56 |
| elmiko | looking tight on my end | 16:56 |
| etoews | +1 | 16:56 |
| cdent | I'm having a spelling and grammar brainfart. Is this correct: " led to a proposed" ? | 16:58 |
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| elmiko | that seems correct to me | 16:58 |
| etoews | sound fine | 16:58 |
| cdent | etoews: did you do the cpl thingie on the frozen guideline? | 16:59 |
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| etoews | yep. | 16:59 |
| cdent | \o/ | 16:59 |
| cdent | perfect timing | 16:59 |
| cdent | thanks everyone | 16:59 |
| etoews | before freezing so they see the frozen comment | 16:59 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 17:00:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-12-01-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-12-01-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-12-01-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | thanks all! | 17:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
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| rkukura | hi - sorry I’m late | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: np, not started yet :-) | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 18:02:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Remove expunge_all calls | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399772/ | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as discussed before, tbachman had been working on this | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks tbachman! | 18:03 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: np! | 18:03 |
| tbachman | just wish I’d had a bit more time on it | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we noticed consistent gate failures in the integration tests | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | these were in the nfp-nv job | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we have been trying to see if the failures are on account of the changes in this patch or if they are not related | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we had reached out to osm and his team | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to get their take on this | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | osm -> songole | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i just pinged him in case he can join | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am just trying to pull the email which had their analysis on this | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | they have pointed to this particular log: #link http://logs.openstack.org/72/399772/2/check/gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-nfp-nv/f3cb8b0/logs/q-svc.txt.gz?level=ERROR | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the above log is slightly different from the ones that we were observing earlier | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | slightly -> the error is completely different | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi, thanks for joining | 18:08 |
| songole | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks to you and your team for investigating the issue with the “removal of expunge_all” patch | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are just discussing how we should process from where we are at | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: this error which KCS pointed to: #link http://logs.openstack.org/72/399772/2/check/gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-nfp-nv/f3cb8b0/logs/q-svc.txt.gz?level=ERROR | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | are you seeing it only in the “expunge_all” patch or are you seeing it anywhere else? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | even if sporadic | 18:10 |
| songole | we are not seeing it anywhere else | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ah bummer | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we all agree that we should get rid of the “expunge_all” calls (let me know if anyone disagrees) | 18:11 |
| * tbachman wonders if ivar_lazarro is around | 18:11 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | however we have not had a single clean run in the jobs after removing the calls | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i would like check in the team if anyone has ideas on how we can make progress here | 18:12 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: it feels to me like there is more than one context (thread kind of context) using the same session | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at this point its the nfp-nv gate job which is consistently failing | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not others | 18:12 |
| songole | nfp tests are failing. but they are failing in resource-mapping driver. is that right? | 18:12 |
| tbachman | which I don’t think is how the sessions are meant to be used | 18:12 |
| tbachman | (i.e. they are supposed to be used as a session per thread) | 18:13 |
| tbachman | I unfortunately haven’t managed to find the time to look into this more of late | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: yes, but my observation has been that has been more than one error that has been noticed | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thats my understanding too | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: since you mention that, there is some new thread creation in the nfp code | 18:14 |
| songole | tbachman: nfp uses multiple threads and processes. | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | wonder if that has something to do with this, and was not getting triggered earlier since we were doing this expunge_all | 18:14 |
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| tbachman | songole: as long as they don’t reuse session objects between threads, they should be okay | 18:14 |
| songole | tbachman: I will check how it is being used. | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i dont think that is being intentionally done, but... | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean its difficult to figure out | 18:15 |
| tbachman | Just some background on this | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | where a session might be getting leaked in that way | 18:15 |
| rkukura | tbachman: passing DB model objects between threads would also be sharing the session they came from, right? | 18:15 |
| tbachman | During our integration with a different L3 plugin, we started seeing some failures | 18:15 |
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| tbachman | rkukura: I’d have to check how SQLAlchemy ties DB objects to sessions | 18:16 |
| tbachman | but very possibly yes | 18:16 |
| tbachman | continuing the explanation of the failures — we started seeing DetatchedInstanceError exceptions | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hmmm, i think you would have to explicitly get a reference to the session from those objects | 18:17 |
| tbachman | due to DB objects used outside of sessions accessing backrefs to other objects in the DB | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and i am not sure that is being done | 18:17 |
| tbachman | The weird thing was that we didn’t see these errors before | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right | 18:17 |
| tbachman | Implying that something changed | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: and it being used in many places in neutron | 18:17 |
| tbachman | And the thought is that change was in some transitive dependency | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and it doesnt seem to fail anywhere else | 18:18 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe we are the only ones doing these expunge_all calls, and hence its likely to break that neutron usage pattern even in the future | 18:18 |
| tbachman | During the process of debugging this failure, I found that the exceptions went away if I removed the cll to expunge | 18:19 |
| * tbachman nods | 18:19 | |
| tbachman | In any case, rkukura brought up the valid question as to why the expunges were needed in the first place | 18:19 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I think any attempt to update or delete a DB object, or to follow an association, can involve the session it game from | 18:19 |
| tbachman | And the expunges have been in there for over a year (I think something like August of 2015?) | 18:20 |
| rkukura | s/game/came/ | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am not sure about that (in the way its being used in the places where tbachman describes it) | 18:20 |
| tbachman | So, when I got back to this, my plan was to try to understand why we needed the expunges | 18:20 |
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| tbachman | My hope is that if we can find the reason for the expunges, we may be able to address the original issue (provided it still exists) | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: clarification, i dont think the places which tbachman is looking at, does not do an update/delete (tbachman correct me if i am wrong), it merely access a property of that db object | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *accesses | 18:21 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:22 |
| tbachman | though I’d have to check | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry, two negatives in that sentence | 18:22 |
| tbachman | this “pattern” is used in that L3 plugin pretty pervasively | 18:22 |
| songole | tbachman: we seem to share db session across threads. Are you saying each thread should have its own session? | 18:22 |
| * tbachman followed what SumitNaiksatam was saying ;) | 18:22 | |
| tbachman | songole: ack | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: :-) | 18:22 |
| tbachman | let me pull up the SQLAlchemy ref | 18:22 |
| rkukura | We’d also want to check the multithreaded NFP code | 18:22 |
| tbachman | #info http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/session_basics.html | 18:23 |
| tbachman | #link http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/session_basics.html | 18:23 |
| tbachman | songole: ^^^ | 18:23 |
| tbachman | look for the section that says “Is the session thread-safe?” | 18:23 |
| tbachman | “The Session is very much intended to be used in a non-concurrent fashion, which usually means in only one thread at a time." | 18:23 |
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| songole | got it. | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for pulling that up, very helpful! | 18:24 |
| tbachman | songole: that said, Im not sure it’s just an issue for NFP :( | 18:24 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: np! | 18:24 |
| tbachman | I need to spend some time understanding the overall threading models in GBP | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i do think how its shared between the thread matters | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the -> it | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | at the simplest level, if same session is used for servicing two different API calls concurrently, its definitely not a good thing | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | right? | 18:26 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack, but we don’t have any way of ensuring this isn’t used incorrectly (other than some form of policy/best practices) | 18:26 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:26 |
| tbachman | (or at least according to the text) | 18:26 |
| songole | tbachman: now that we got some clues, we will investigate further | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: very true, its going to be really difficult to find that out | 18:26 |
| tbachman | songole: cool. Thanks! | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ah cool | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks for offerint to do that, i was going to ask | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i do think that if we have to include this change in the upcoming releases we have to be able to get it in fairly soon | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since, we need to do be able to run through several QA cycles (outside of the upstream gate) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so this becomes time sensitive and critical in that sense | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am inclined to merge this patch, if we see three gate runs on this patch without any failures | 18:29 |
| rkukura | One question on the details of the patch… | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps that is not going to happen without some more code changes (and we might get a better idea after songole’s investigation) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:29 |
| rkukura | It basically turns clean_session into a no-op contextmanaget. Should the patch remove all uses of clean_session, or should that be done later? | 18:30 |
| rkukura | s/contextmanaget/contextmanager/ | 18:30 |
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| tbachman | rkukura: that would be more comprehensive, and be best going forward. | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:31 |
| tbachman | I can rework it for that, but I need some time to get back to it | 18:31 |
| songole | could someone help me understand what this expunge is all about.. :) | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: it does not necessarily have to be this patch | 18:31 |
| tbachman | songole: I can help there | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the bigger change would be more mechanical once we know that removing the calls works | 18:31 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I agree phasing this might make sense, especially if we are not 100% certain we can live without the expunging | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | otherwise we can put it back | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just one line :-) | 18:32 |
| tbachman | objects that have representation in the DB can have different states | 18:32 |
| tbachman | there is a session, which sort of acts like a cache of DB objects | 18:32 |
| tbachman | so, if you’ve read a DB object, it keeps track of it in the session | 18:32 |
| tbachman | if you do an expunge, you disassociate the object with the session | 18:33 |
| tbachman | you can continue to use the object, but if you need any additional DB lookups (e.g. if the object has a backref to another DB object), then you’ll get an exception | 18:33 |
| tbachman | b/c the object is no longer associated with a session | 18:33 |
| tbachman | the expunge basically removes all DB object state associated with a given session | 18:34 |
| tbachman | making it a “clean” session | 18:34 |
| tbachman | to get new dB objects and their state | 18:34 |
| songole | tbachman: thanks | 18:34 |
| tbachman | songole: np! | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yes, very nice summary | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also to keep in context, we did this since there was a UT which kept failing consistently | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and no one could figure out how to fix this | 18:35 |
| songole | to access object it again, do i need to get a new session? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar tried this approach and it worked | 18:35 |
| rkukura | Once the session is expunged, the DB objects still exist in memory, but trying to use them in ways that involve the DB will cause exceptions, such as ObjectDeletedError: Instance '<ServicePolicyPTGIpAddressMapping at 0x7f5d9e726dd0>' has been deleted, or its row is otherwise not present. | 18:35 |
| tbachman | songole: once you’ve expunged it, yes you need a new session | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its been with us since | 18:35 |
| songole | ok. thanks | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is also some eventlet related interplay here | 18:36 |
| tbachman | here’s the original bug ID: | 18:36 |
| tbachman | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1404412 | 18:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1404412 in Group Based Policy "Session's persistent objects across transactions create inconsistency" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:36 |
| tbachman | and here’s hte original patch: | 18:37 |
| tbachman | #link https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/commit/2c8b401b8e0432bba4f7ae089883b36d760f733c | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was pointing thomas (and songole) to a comment in the oslo db code, which recommended putting things always inside a transaction | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think we would have the luxury to make that kind of a change in other projects | 18:38 |
| tbachman | Here’s that same one in gerrit | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but if needed we can do that in our project? | 18:38 |
| tbachman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213362/ | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for instance in the places where its currently failing (the one which rkukura mentioned above) | 18:38 |
| * tbachman realizes he should put some context in the chat line when he uses a link | 18:39 | |
| songole | if a different node updates the object, would there be a problem with this caching mechanism? | 18:40 |
| rkukura | Actually, the ObjectDeletedError above (from the log earlier this meeting) may not be directly due to the object having been expunged. I’ve seen other errors that clearly do mention the object being expunged, such as when trying to follow an association. | 18:40 |
| tbachman | songole: you mean if a different context updates an object read from the DB? | 18:40 |
| songole | yes | 18:41 |
| tbachman | songole: in the expunged case | 18:41 |
| tbachman | ? | 18:41 |
| rkukura | In my mind, the only safe pattern is to start a transaction using a session, do everything inside that transaction, and do not access the DB objects after the transaction is committed or rolled back. | 18:41 |
| tbachman | rkukura: ack | 18:41 |
| songole | ok | 18:42 |
| tbachman | it seems like that’s the intent. You *can* use it outside of a transaction, but that seems to open you up to other issues (e.g. like the kind we’re seeing) | 18:42 |
| tbachman | that said — there’s *a lot* of code to change in that L3 plugin, if that’s the case :( | 18:42 |
| tbachman | not saying that shouldn’t be the solution | 18:42 |
| tbachman | just pointing it out ;) | 18:42 |
| songole | even nfp as well | 18:43 |
| rkukura | If there is a real need to use a DB object after the transaction ends, I think there is a way to disassociate the DB object from the session, making it just lake a new model class instance for which add() was never called. | 18:43 |
| tbachman | note that using it inside of a transaction still doesn’t solve a threading issue with sessions | 18:43 |
| tbachman | so, it seems like 2 things need fixing | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: wrapping in a transaction is the change i was earlier referring, but which do not have the luxury of changing outside our project | 18:45 |
| tbachman | <cough, cough> monkey-patch <cough, cough> | 18:46 |
| tbachman | what? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and like tbachman pointed out, there are several places across neutron and its sub-projects where that pattern is used | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and breakage in those places is likely to unexpectedly manifest until we have these expunge_all calls | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole had earlier run into the same issue with lbaas code | 18:48 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: I think we just need to spend some time first investigating this some more | 18:48 |
| tbachman | to get more info about the problem | 18:48 |
| tbachman | I hope to be able to do that in the near-ish future | 18:48 |
| tbachman | and if songole or others are able to have a look as well, hopefully we can discover the root-cause | 18:48 |
| tbachman | (together) | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: the predicament is that we are sitting on a time-bomb while we have this expunge-all call in place | 18:49 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and if we agree that is the case, then removing it asap would make sense, so that we can test well after we remove it (repeating myself) | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we dont have enought time left for that | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | assuming we dont do this soon | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: your plan is reasonable and the only option we have i guess | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman, songole: in terms of time frame, how should we budget this? | 18:51 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: a week (i.e. next week’s meeting)? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right, that seems like the earliest | 18:52 |
| songole | ack | 18:52 |
| songole | looks like I was wrong on the sharing observation.. but, i will check more | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: is it possible to get any additional data points outside of the upstream gate tests by removing the expunge_all calls? | 18:52 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: we will test the patch locally.. | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay thanks | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | another way to look at this is assume that the expunge_all call never existed | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and any error we run into (in our code) without it being present is an issue we need to fix | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the first thing that can be attempted in such places is to wrap things in a subtranscation (once the appropriate place is identified) | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if sharing session between threads is an issue, that would be much more difficult to diagnose, but i am hoping thats not the case | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: songole: rkukura: thanks for the input and discussion on this | 18:56 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: np! | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman definitely deserves a big pat of the bag for the several days he has put into this | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | more than a pat on the back | 18:56 |
| * tbachman likes pat on the bags | 18:56 | |
| tbachman | :-o | 18:56 |
| tbachman | #redact | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and its kind of a coincidence that songole hit the issue with the lbaas code just about at the same time that tbachman ran into this (a little before) | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | bag -> back (typo, my bad) | 18:57 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:58 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: glad to work on this. Just sorry I didn’t resolve it yet | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: no need to apologixe :-) | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have still not been able to merge igordcard’s patch: | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301701 | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its failing the nfp gate but i am not sure its relevant | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on that branch | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: shall we merge this patch now? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh we are out of time | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | will take this off this channel | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all, bye! | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 19:00:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-12-01-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-12-01-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-12-01-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
| songole | bye | 19:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thx! | 19:01 |
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