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| njohnston | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 04:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 04:00 |
| njohnston | #chair SridarK | 04:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK njohnston | 04:00 |
| chandanc__ | Hello All | 04:00 |
| hoangcx | hi | 04:00 |
| njohnston | xgerman sends his regrets - he is feeling under the weather this evening | 04:00 |
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| SridarK | hi all | 04:00 |
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| SridarK | Also yushiro had informed us that he will not make it today | 04:01 |
| SridarK | lets get started | 04:01 |
| SridarK | #topic Final things for Newton | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Final things for Newton (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:02 | |
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| SridarK | njohnston: thx for taking care of the project_id related issues | 04:02 |
| njohnston | Sure thing, it was a real gate-buster so we had to clear it | 04:02 |
| chandanc__ | Sorry i missed on all the action, catching up on the IRC logs | 04:03 |
| njohnston | Newton RC-1 is in the process of being cut, as evidenced by things like this | 04:03 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/369762 "Tag the alembic migration revisions for Newton" | 04:03 |
| SridarK | i guess now we are at a stage where only something that is really critical shd go thru | 04:03 |
| njohnston | yes. | 04:03 |
| SridarK | i was testing a fix for an issue on rule updates | 04:03 |
| annp | hi | 04:03 |
| njohnston | But good point - Ocata development will be opening up | 04:04 |
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| SridarK | when i saw the migration patch go thru - that seemed like the gates were closing | 04:04 |
| njohnston | if you can land the patch in master, perhaps we can backport it to stable/newton before the final release | 04:04 |
| njohnston | we can check with ihrachys | 04:04 |
| SridarK | njohnston: good point | 04:05 |
| SridarK | i will push it in as soon as we jump to ocata | 04:05 |
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| SridarK | i know there are a few more clean up issues - that can go into Ocata | 04:05 |
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| SridarK | chandanc__: i know u had one too, regarding the cleanup of iptables | 04:06 |
| SridarK | that can also be pushed for Ocata | 04:06 |
| chandanc__ | sorry, can you tell me which one yopu are refering to | 04:07 |
| SridarK | chandanc__: the issue we discussed on a port getting deleted | 04:07 |
| chandanc__ | ah yes | 04:07 |
| chandanc__ | will do | 04:07 |
| SridarK | and notification thru the agent ext | 04:07 |
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| SridarK | so the port is gone, but since the plugin does not initiate this - we will not have a specific delete msg reg the port | 04:08 |
| SridarK | (just for some context for all ) | 04:08 |
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| njohnston | If you note those changes using #link, we can all go through the meeting notes later and make sure your patches get reviewed very quickly | 04:08 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: good point | 04:09 |
| SridarK | or let us add it to the Ocata etherpad | 04:09 |
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| SridarK | will be good to get a descriptive bug opened as well | 04:10 |
| njohnston | sure | 04:10 |
| njohnston | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-ocata Ocata etherpad | 04:10 |
| SridarK | njohnston: anything else that u want to bring up as pending for Newton | 04:10 |
| njohnston | nope | 04:11 |
| SridarK | Others as well ? | 04:11 |
| njohnston | since the reno note just merged literally seconds ago :-) | 04:11 |
| SridarK | ok good lets move on | 04:11 |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:11 |
| SridarK | #topic Ocata L2 | 04:12 |
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| SridarK | i think we have clarity on what needs to be fixed | 04:12 |
| njohnston | yes | 04:13 |
| SridarK | chandanc__: SarathMekala: as Newton final things get pulled pls do push for reviews on the neutron patchs | 04:13 |
| SridarK | *patches | 04:13 |
| chandanc__ | yes we know the neutron part well, the fwaas driver for l2 need some work | 04:13 |
| chandanc__ | sure will ping kevin again | 04:13 |
| SarathMekala | SridarK, sure | 04:13 |
| SridarK | chandanc__: yes understood | 04:14 |
| SridarK | padkrish: pls go ahead - u had some points to discuss on the L2 Agent | 04:14 |
| padkrish | Sridark# Sure, we discussed this over emails, just summarizing here for everyone's benefit | 04:15 |
| padkrish | When a port is created the FW L2 agent extension gets called from Neutron agent (e.g ovs_neutron_agent) | 04:15 |
| njohnston | yes | 04:16 |
| padkrish | Neutron agent used get_devices_details RPC to get the port related details. Some features like QoS has piggybacked some information on this RPC... | 04:16 |
| njohnston | ok | 04:17 |
| padkrish | When handle_port gets to fwaas agent, it needs to know the FWG_ID that is associated with the port | 04:17 |
| padkrish | so, one option is to enhance neutron RPC like what Qos did and piggyback FWaaS V2 related stuffs like fwg_id | 04:18 |
| padkrish | another option is to call fwaas plugin RPC from fwaas L2 extension to retrieve the information like fwg_id of interest | 04:18 |
| padkrish | In order to be independent from neutron, i assume we want to take the later option | 04:19 |
| padkrish | right? | 04:19 |
| chandanc__ | yes , the second option looks better | 04:19 |
| SridarK | padkrish: that seems the better option to me | 04:19 |
| njohnston | The second option does sound similar to what we did in the L3 agent | 04:19 |
| SarathMekala | We can investigate using proxy pattern on the Agent | 04:20 |
| SridarK | the one minor difference would be that we will have a messaging from the agent to the plugin asking "I am a new port, pls tell me the fwg i should associate with" | 04:20 |
| SarathMekala | the extension calls the agent which in turn does the RPC and hands over the data to the extenstion | 04:20 |
| padkrish | SarathMekala# then that means changes to Neutron agent? | 04:21 |
| SridarK | next, the plugin can associate the port with the fwg and provide the fwg dict to the agent | 04:21 |
| SarathMekala | Yeah... to be clean.. multiple other plugins may have similar requirement | 04:21 |
| njohnston | What we did in the L3 agent was that we just had the FWaaS L3 plugin handle RPC communications directly | 04:21 |
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| njohnston | no need for a proxy | 04:22 |
| padkrish | njohnston, sarathmekala# i also prefer that, atleast to not have dependency on neutron | 04:22 |
| njohnston | because the plugin is in the same process as the neutron agent, it has access to the rpc capabilities as well | 04:22 |
| padkrish | i mean prefer not having a proxy | 04:22 |
| SridarK | And L3 is a bit different - the association to a L3 port is driven by the user thru the plugin | 04:22 |
| padkrish | SridarK# correct | 04:23 |
| SarathMekala | njohnston, I agree it works.. just thinking.. did we tweak the topic so that the extension can receive the message | 04:23 |
| njohnston | yes, we used a separate topic for communcations to the extension | 04:23 |
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| padkrish | consts.FIREWALL_PLUGIN is the topic | 04:24 |
| SarathMekala | njohnston, ok..sounds good.. the proxy approach can be used without changing the topic | 04:24 |
| SarathMekala | but we can go with this approach | 04:24 |
| SarathMekala | I meant the L3 approach | 04:25 |
| padkrish | ok, if we are going with the approach of a separate RPC to the plugin | 04:25 |
| SridarK | SarathMekala: for the msg to be seen by the FW plugin we will need to use the appropriate topic | 04:25 |
| padkrish | then, one thing, is it adds an extra RPC, which is a penalty | 04:25 |
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| chandanc__ | yes | 04:25 |
| SridarK | keeping things separate from neutron will be a good thing | 04:26 |
| SridarK | Now one concern, here is we will doing an RPC in the context of the handle_port callback | 04:26 |
| chandanc__ | thats the price we need to pay for separation of plugin / extension | 04:27 |
| padkrish | yes, we can call the RPC from the handle_port context, which blocks creation of the port | 04:27 |
| SridarK | essentially we will do the whole FW agent -> plugin, then plugin response to agent all in this context | 04:27 |
| njohnston | I believe the l3 agent extension manager doesn't get handle_port called on it until the port has already been created | 04:27 |
| SridarK | So broadly this approach seems to be appropriate | 04:29 |
| padkrish | sorry, suddently didn't receive messages after njohnston's "I believe the l3 agent extension manager doesn't get handle_port called on it until the port has already been created" | 04:29 |
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| njohnston | I did not either | 04:30 |
| chandanc__ | me too | 04:30 |
| padkrish | ok, then probably no one typed :) | 04:30 |
| SarathMekala | padkrish, any thoughts on solving the blocking call | 04:30 |
| chandanc__ | so, will the fw driver also be called in the port creation context ? | 04:30 |
| SridarK | oh | 04:31 |
| SridarK | i have been typing | 04:31 |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:31 |
| padkrish | oh | 04:31 |
| padkrish | after njohnston, i only got your next message as "So broadly this approach seems to be appropriate" | 04:31 |
| njohnston | #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/openvswitch/agent/ovs_neutron_agent.py#L1537-L1539 where handle_port gets called in the OVS L2 agent context | 04:31 |
| SridarK | ah ok | 04:32 |
| hoangcx | same here :-) | 04:32 |
| njohnston | note that handle_port is called after _update_port_network which actually accomplishes the adding/updating of the port | 04:32 |
| padkrish | njohnston# yes, i was following this and able to get the fwaas extension called in my prototype | 04:32 |
| padkrish | this also happens only after ovs flows are programmed, i believe | 04:32 |
| njohnston | ok, good, I just wanted to be clear on the order of things because I believe this precludes blocking the port creation of we take action inside handle_port | 04:33 |
| njohnston | s/of/if/ | 04:33 |
| SridarK | ok but still we will be doing multiple rpc's in the context of handle_port | 04:34 |
| njohnston | Yes. The alternative to that is to get deeply embedded into neutron. | 04:35 |
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| SridarK | hmm ok, now since we are in the L2 Agent context anyways, the former is probab ok | 04:36 |
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| SridarK | esp if this is not holding up the port creation | 04:36 |
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| padkrish | if there's any failure in fwaas agent extension, then the port creation also should fail, is it not? | 04:38 |
| padkrish | or probably not | 04:38 |
| SridarK | padkrish: may be the fwg association part is a bit premature for us to force that | 04:39 |
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| padkrish | SridarK# ok.. | 04:39 |
| SridarK | at least that is my thinking now | 04:40 |
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| SridarK | What do others think ? | 04:40 |
| njohnston | I am on the fence, but I would tend to think that if someone has configured FWaaS, they will be expecting security. If we fail to apply a firewall to a new port, then it seems like that port add should fail, because otherwise we leave an unsecured port, which is something security-conscious people will not like. | 04:42 |
| _SarathMekala_ | sure.. fine for now | 04:42 |
| chandanc__ | yes, may be for now we can let the port creation pass even if the FWG fails | 04:42 |
| njohnston | But that being said, this is new, and we can iterate on it. | 04:42 |
| SridarK | njohnston: that would be the ideal behavior | 04:42 |
| padkrish | njohnston: +1 | 04:42 |
| SridarK | njohnston: but that can come after wider adoption | 04:43 |
| padkrish | njohnston# basic question: does qos extension force that? | 04:43 |
| SridarK | it will be a hard sell to push for that now | 04:43 |
| njohnston | padkrish: Honestly, I don't recall. I'll have to fire up a devstack and see. :-/ | 04:44 |
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| padkrish | njohnston# no worries, i have one...will inject a failure and find out :) | 04:44 |
| njohnston | :-) | 04:45 |
| njohnston | I would expect QoS to allow the port creation to continue | 04:46 |
| njohnston | because, with the exception of DSCP, the QoS feature is not security-related | 04:46 |
| njohnston | ok, we are starting to run down on time | 04:47 |
| padkrish | ok | 04:47 |
| njohnston | SridarK: what else do you have on your agenda? | 04:47 |
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| SridarK | So it seems we are on the same page here, padkrish more investigation here perhaps | 04:47 |
| padkrish | SridarK# sure, will update the etherpad | 04:48 |
| SridarK | one other thing we need to nail down in relation to this | 04:48 |
| hoangcx | njohnston: I have one on the etherpad. Waiting ... | 04:48 |
| SridarK | how do we specify the equivalent of the default fwg to apply when a port comes up | 04:48 |
| SridarK | lets take that discussion to the Ocata etherpad | 04:48 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: did u want to discuss something in this context here ? | 04:49 |
| hoangcx | About [Challengable work] Support logging API for firewall-rule | 04:49 |
| SridarK | njohnston: i had nothing else | 04:49 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: ok | 04:50 |
| hoangcx | We have been proposing/developing Logging API for SG in Neutron [BP]. | 04:50 |
| hoangcx | [BP] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/security-group-logging | 04:50 |
| njohnston | I have 1 thing, after hoangcx | 04:50 |
| hoangcx | The spec[1] looks so smooth and it may be merged in O-1. | 04:50 |
| hoangcx | [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509 | 04:50 |
| hoangcx | For source code [2], We will implement in Ocata. | 04:50 |
| hoangcx | [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353440 | 04:50 |
| hoangcx | We think this feature is necessary not only SG but also firewall. | 04:50 |
| hoangcx | If possible, we would like to provide more resource on FWaaS v2 for the feature. | 04:50 |
| njohnston | excellent! | 04:50 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: ok, lets do more discussion on the etherpad | 04:51 |
| hoangcx | I would like to get comments/feeback about that? | 04:51 |
| njohnston | I'll take a look at those changes and give feedback | 04:51 |
| hoangcx | njohnston SridarK: Sure. Thank you | 04:51 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: i think u have answered most queries around the need for rate limit and any perf impacts on any rule logging | 04:51 |
| hoangcx | The point is that we would like to support the feature for FWaaS v2 also. | 04:51 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: sounds good | 04:52 |
| hoangcx | SridarK: Yes. We will provide more resource to tackle it | 04:52 |
| SridarK | njohnston: pls go ahead, we can go to Open Discussion if that makes more sense | 04:53 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: thx | 04:53 |
| njohnston | #topic Stadium compliance | 04:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stadium compliance (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:53 | |
| njohnston | I went through the items required to meet Neutron stadium compliance. | 04:53 |
| njohnston | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/stadium/governance.html#checklist Stadium Checklist | 04:53 |
| njohnston | So I dropped some changes to support the items I identified that were not in progress. | 04:53 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:fwaas-stadium Stadium checklist items | 04:53 |
| njohnston | Others are already in flight, like OSC support | 04:53 |
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| njohnston | But please, if you see anything that I have missed either let me know, or feel free to dive in and fix it. | 04:54 |
| SridarK | njohnston: thx will do | 04:54 |
| * njohnston steps off his soapbox | 04:54 | |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:54 |
| SridarK | njohnston: also we would like to make the push to get these addressed as early as possible in Ocata | 04:54 |
| njohnston | Indeed, since the in-or-out call on Stadium status will be at the O-1 mark IIRC | 04:55 |
| SridarK | yes | 04:55 |
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| njohnston | #topic Open Discussion | 04:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:56 | |
| njohnston | Anyone have anything else? | 04:57 |
| SridarK | nothing much more to add, the Ocata etherpad is our to do list | 04:57 |
| njohnston | indeed | 04:57 |
| _SarathMekala_ | SridarK, have a question.. did you sync with the horizon folks regarding UI? | 04:57 |
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| SridarK | _SarathMekala_: thx for the reminder, will do so and keep u in the loop | 04:57 |
| njohnston | chandanc__: let me know if there is anything I can help with for the neutron iptables changes | 04:57 |
| _SarathMekala_ | not sure if I can go ahead and start prototyping | 04:57 |
| padkrish | SridarK# one more thing on the agent extension, that SridarK also raised is the default fwg that should be associated to a port | 04:58 |
| SridarK | _SarathMekala_: pls go ahead with it and kick things off | 04:58 |
| chandanc__ | njohnston, I will be pusing the update this week, will ping you in case i need help with the UT | 04:58 |
| njohnston | chandanc__: thanks, I will look forward to it | 04:58 |
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| SridarK | padkrish: lets discuss on etherpad | 04:58 |
| padkrish | ok | 04:58 |
| SridarK | i think we are almost at time | 04:59 |
| njohnston | thanks everyone! | 04:59 |
| SridarK | Thx all | 04:59 |
| hoangcx | 1 minute | 04:59 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 05:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 05:00:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-09-14-04.00.html | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-09-14-04.00.txt | 05:00 |
| hoangcx | Thanks njonhston and SridarK for leading the meeting. | 05:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-09-14-04.00.log.html | 05:00 |
| _SarathMekala_ | O/ bye | 05:00 |
| SridarK | bye all | 05:00 |
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| soichi | hi | 05:31 |
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| reedip | hi | 05:31 |
| soichi | #startmeeting taas | 05:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 05:31:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:31 |
| soichi | #topic: Open Discussion | 05:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Open Discussion (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:32 | |
| soichi | do you have any update or topic for today? | 05:32 |
| yamamoto | hi | 05:33 |
| soichi | yamamoto: hi | 05:33 |
| reedip | Yes a lot :) | 05:33 |
| reedip | #1 : Can everyone please go through the spec again ? #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256210/ | 05:34 |
| reedip | I am of the opinion that TaaS has been alive for some time. Maybe we can try to include it in the Big Tent soon ? | 05:35 |
| reedip | Let me know your opinion | 05:35 |
| soichi | yes, please. one more +2 is required. | 05:35 |
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| yamamoto | reedip: have you asked armax his opinion recently? | 05:36 |
| yamamoto | ie which of neutron or big tent is suitable for taas | 05:36 |
| reedip | yamamoto : no, I have not asked for his opinion for TaaS yet. I want to , though, but after the spec is finalized from our side and committed | 05:38 |
| soichi | vnyyad: hi | 05:38 |
| vnyyad | hi | 05:38 |
| reedip | yamamoto , armax: I would however like to know how different is applying for Big Tent than applying for Neutron ? | 05:39 |
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| yamamoto | reedip: being a part of neutron means supervison from neutron folks. eg. neutron stable maintainer | 05:40 |
| reedip | yamamoto: yes right. But can TaaS apply for neutron after completing the big tent process? | 05:41 |
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| yamamoto | reedip: nothing prevents it i guess | 05:41 |
| reedip | yamamoto : what I mean is , applying for neutron and applying for big tent are not tightly coupled, are they ? If not, can we apply for big tent and in parallel work for inclusion in the Neutron Stadium ( if that concept still exists ?) | 05:42 |
| reedip | vnyyad: hi , can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256210/ and provide your comments for the TaaS spec ? | 05:43 |
| yamamoto | reedip: my understanding is one of those options needs to be chosen | 05:44 |
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| vnyyad | reedip: i had a quick look yesterday and it looked OK to me, i will however read it throughly today and get back within today | 05:45 |
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| reedip | yamamoto: My understanding is we can apply for Big Tent, make our project official and then work for integration with Neutron. As far as I remember, the previous TaaS Spec satisfied some of the queries for inclusion in Neutron 'stadium' . The current spec is more detailed. | 05:46 |
| reedip | yamamoto: and IIUC, we can do both one after the other. But I would the opinion of other members as well as to how we plan to move forward. | 05:47 |
| yamamoto | i don't have strong opinions either ways | 05:48 |
| reedip | yamamoto : :) Then I would wait for opinion from soichi, kaz, vnyyad and anil_rao ( he is not here I guess) | 05:49 |
| soichi | i think it is better to apply to the Neutron 'Stadium' | 05:50 |
| reedip | soichi : I am also of the same opinion. My question is , should we apply directly or after applying to big tent | 05:51 |
| reedip | I mean should we try to make our project official first ? | 05:51 |
| vnyyad | soichi: +1 | 05:51 |
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| yamamoto | reedip: i'm not sure what's the point of indirect steps. | 05:52 |
| soichi | i'm not sure, if TaaS included in the Neutron 'Stadium', is TaaS officially recognized? | 05:53 |
| yamamoto | soichi: yes, as a part of neutron. | 05:54 |
| reedip | yamamoto : TaaS is not yet in the big tent. So wanted to know if it is included as a part of Neutron Stadium, would it mean it would be a part of the Big Tent as well ? | 05:54 |
| vnyyad | we need to clarify this governance thing with some one in neutron core | 05:56 |
| yamamoto | reedip: if neutron is, its subprojects are. | 05:56 |
| reedip | yamamoto : okay . Can we drop an email to the Neutron Core members for the review of TaaS Spec soi that it can be included in the Neutron Stadium as a subproject. | 05:58 |
| reedip | yamamoto : if not, then what are the remaining items in the checklist which we need to fulfil ? | 05:58 |
| soichi | i think Armando agree to TaaS is a candidate for Neutron stadium, isn't it? | 05:58 |
| reedip | vnyyad , yamamoto : I would really like TaaS to be a part of Big Tent and Neutron Stadium in Ocata . | 05:58 |
| reedip | :) | 05:58 |
| yamamoto | reedip: i think there's a written procedure. submit api-ref patch etc. | 05:59 |
| soichi | reedip: +1 | 05:59 |
| reedip | yamamoto : Okay, let me search the same. | 05:59 |
| reedip | Lemme ask this query in the #neutron IRC as well :) | 05:59 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 06:00 |
| soichi | reedip: +1 | 06:00 |
| kaz | +1 | 06:00 |
| yamamoto | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/stadium/governance.html#checklist | 06:01 |
| reedip | thanks yamamoto . I will go through the checklist and float a mail today evening as to what items are remaining ( unless someone has already done the homework ?? :) ) | 06:02 |
| yamamoto | the biggest item is to have a test, i guess. | 06:03 |
| yamamoto | it has been on our todo list too long | 06:03 |
| yamamoto | another is OSC but i guess it shouldn't be too difficult. | 06:04 |
| reedip | OSC has been in my ToDo list as well . Need to discuss with rtheis about including TaaS as a plugin | 06:05 |
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| soichi | any ather topic? | 06:07 |
| soichi | we are working for performance measurement | 06:08 |
| soichi | we are planning to compare overhead of "shared tunnel (original design)", "dedicated tunnel", and "flow based tunneling" | 06:08 |
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| soichi | we would like to share some progress report in the next week IRC | 06:08 |
| yamamoto | overhead in what sense? cpu? | 06:12 |
| vnyyad | soichi: that will be great | 06:13 |
| kaz | yamamoto: yes | 06:13 |
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| soichi | reedip, yamamoto, vnyyad: do you have another topic for today? | 06:15 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 06:16 |
| vnyyad | nothing from me | 06:17 |
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| reedip | yamamoto : I think the patch which anil was talking about needs to be discussed ??? | 06:19 |
| yamamoto | reedip: which patch? | 06:19 |
| reedip | one on the email ( my gmail isnt working , maybe you have it ? ) | 06:20 |
| soichi | reedip: i think it is good to discuss after Anil submit the patch | 06:21 |
| reedip | soichi : umm, okay (?) | 06:21 |
| yamamoto | reedip: i saw emails but haven't seen a patch | 06:21 |
| reedip | ok | 06:21 |
| soichi | okay, it is a little bit earlier, but i'd like to close today's meeting if we have no more topics | 06:23 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 06:24 |
| soichi | #endmeeting | 06:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 06:25:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-09-14-05.31.html | 06:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-09-14-05.31.txt | 06:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-09-14-05.31.log.html | 06:25 |
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| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 13:01:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| atuvenie | hi all | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:01 |
| claudiub | helloo | 13:01 |
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| abalutoiu | hello | 13:01 |
| sagar_nikam | Hi | 13:02 |
| claudiub | anyone else joining? | 13:02 |
| lpetrut | Hi | 13:02 |
| sagar_nikam | i think no | 13:03 |
| claudiub | #topic monasca patches status | 13:03 |
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| claudiub | soo, we had a meeting last week | 13:04 |
| claudiub | and we discussed some of the patches | 13:04 |
| claudiub | they also asked some documentation, on how to setup the monasca-agent on Windows. | 13:05 |
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| claudiub | #link monasca-agent on Windows documentation: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370066/ | 13:05 |
| claudiub | forgot to do git review until a few hours ago. | 13:06 |
| claudiub | monasca meeting is in 2 hours, will bug the cores about this again. | 13:06 |
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| claudiub | other than that, nothing new. | 13:06 |
| claudiub | questions? | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | nice | 13:07 |
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| sagar_nikam | lets try to get the patches merged | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | at the earliest | 13:07 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | no other questions | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | from my side on this topic | 13:07 |
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| claudiub | ok | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam | if you need any help from my side, let me know | 13:08 |
| claudiub | sure, let's see how the monasca meeting goes | 13:08 |
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| claudiub | #topic Release status | 13:08 |
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| claudiub | sooo, this week there will be a newton release candidate | 13:09 |
| claudiub | for all projects | 13:09 |
| claudiub | meaning that this cycle is almost over, and the master branch will soon be opened again | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:10 |
| claudiub | final release will be at the beginning of next month | 13:10 |
| claudiub | we'll have to rebase quite a few nova patches until then. :) | 13:10 |
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| claudiub | also, we're going to have a new PyMI release sometime soon, with some performance improvements | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | FC patch... can that be taken at higher priority for O ... i think only nova patch is required for the feature to be completed | 13:11 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: yep, that's the only patch remaining. | 13:11 |
| lpetrut | that patch will just have to be rebased/reviewed. Hopefully, we can get it in at the beginning of O | 13:12 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: and yeah, that will be prioritized, alonside the ovs vif plug patch | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | if we start that at the beginning of the release, we can get it merged | 13:12 |
| lpetrut | so, just a small reminder, the patch is done already and properly tested by the os-brick CI, not much else to do than push people to review it :) | 13:13 |
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| claudiub | i'll throw a glance on that patch as well. I forgot how it looks like. :) | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:14 |
| claudiub | anyways. just a small observation. During testing, we've noticed that Hyper-V Server 2016 has better performance than 2012 r2 | 13:15 |
| claudiub | so, good news. :) | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | wow !!! | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | cool | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | we dont have 2016 yet | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | so our scale tests will still be in 2012 r2 | 13:16 |
| claudiub | well, it wasn't released yet, there's only a technical preview | 13:17 |
| claudiub | but we're ready for its release | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | yes .. i meant we dont have TP | 13:17 |
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| lpetrut | we've done some improvements on the PyMI side, ensuring that WMI operations are non-blocking (basically allowing more of them to run at the same time when requested within greenthreads) and we had some significant performance boost | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: nice | 13:18 |
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| lpetrut | during simple rally tests that were spawning/destroying instances, we got a 27% time improvement on WS 2012 r2 and more than 70% on WS 2016 | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam | we are currently on the latest PyMI | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam | whatever version is available on pypi | 13:19 |
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| lpetrut | yeah, we'll have to do a new PyMI release soon | 13:19 |
| claudiub | yeah, already mentioned that. :) | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: 27% improvement... due to the pyMI change ? | 13:19 |
| claudiub | thanks for the exact numbers though, I didn't know them. :) | 13:19 |
| lpetrut | yep | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | does it in any way improve the scale ? | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | 27% perf improved | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | how much scale improvement ? | 13:20 |
| claudiub | it means that the boot / destroy actions are 27% faster | 13:21 |
| claudiub | meaning that instances will spawn and be destroyed faster | 13:21 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: i got that.. my question... does it in anyway improve the number of VMs and its networks per hyperv host ? | 13:22 |
| sagar_nikam | for same flavors | 13:23 |
| claudiub | do you mean if more VMs will be able to fit on a hyper-v host due to these pymi improvements? | 13:23 |
| lpetrut | not really, it's just that we're doing more operations in parallel, thus saving time | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | yes | 13:23 |
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| sagar_nikam | if disk and cpu and memory are still available | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | ok ... i will explain... what we had observed with wmi | 13:24 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: oh, you mean how much disk / cpu / memory is consumed by the host? | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam | the hyperv host has X CPU/memory/disk | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | with that X | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | we could spawn only Y VMs | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | after we moved to pyMI | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | we could spawn Y+ VMs | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | since pymi was responding much faster | 13:25 |
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| sagar_nikam | in the same time frame | 13:26 |
| lpetrut | I get now what you mean, yep | 13:26 |
| claudiub | oh i see | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | for example ... in 1 hour, if we could spawn 10 VMs in WMI, in the same 1 hour we could spawn 10+ VMs | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | dont know if it was 20VMs | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | or lesser | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | but yes, we saw a big diff | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | in the actual number of VMs and netwroks | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | on the same host | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | so my question now | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | with this new change | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | of pyMI | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | can we now spawn more VMs ? | 13:28 |
| claudiub | yeah, I'd say you'll be able to spawn more VMs within the same timeframe. | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | ok cool... | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | let me see if the scale tests using Mitaka, can we use te new pyMI | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | will let you know | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | if we use it and how much it improved | 13:29 |
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| claudiub | ok, cool :) as we've said, this new version of pymi wasn't released yet, still testing, so we make sure there won't be any regressions | 13:30 |
| claudiub | but we'll have it ready before newton is released. | 13:30 |
| sagar_nikam | yes, we try to use it when released | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | anyhow the scale test schedule is still not planned | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | lab needs to be booked | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | etc | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | so will take time | 13:31 |
| claudiub | well, we might release pymi until then. :) | 13:31 |
| claudiub | #topic open discussion | 13:32 |
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| claudiub | so, nothing new from me | 13:32 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | nothing new from me as well | 13:33 |
| claudiub | if you have some topics to discuss, now is the time. :) | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | not much from my side | 13:33 |
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| sagar_nikam | one question | 13:34 |
| claudiub | sure | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | since lpetrut: is here | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: how is freezer | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | i know you will be working on it in O | 13:34 |
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| sagar_nikam | but i have heard that freezer already has some windows support | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | have you tried that | 13:34 |
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| claudiub | afaik, freezer supports windows hosts, but not Hyper-V VMs | 13:36 |
| claudiub | and that is one of our targets at the moment | 13:37 |
| sagar_nikam | so the plan for O is to add backup of HyperV VMs only ? | 13:37 |
| sagar_nikam | if i use freezer as it is today... hyperv host can be backed up ? | 13:38 |
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| lpetrut | so, freezer will allow you to back up the volume storing the VM files, VSS will be used but it will not interact with the Hyper-V VSS writers directly | 13:40 |
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| lpetrut | my main goal for freezer during the next release will be to improve the interaction with VSS in order to achieve app consistent guest aware backups | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | ok.. thanks | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | guest aware ? | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | can you explain further please | 13:41 |
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| lpetrut | sure, when creating VM backups, the guests can take part of the backup process to ensure that the backup will be app consistent | 13:43 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | got it | 13:43 |
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| claudiub | well, if there's nothing else, we can end it here. :) | 13:44 |
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| sagar_nikam | nothing much from my side | 13:45 |
| claudiub | ok then, thanks folks for joining, see you next week! | 13:45 |
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| claudiub | #endmeeting | 13:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 13:46:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-09-14-13.01.html | 13:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-09-14-13.01.txt | 13:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-09-14-13.01.log.html | 13:46 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 15:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| igorn | o/ | 15:00 |
| koji | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:00 |
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| tomasztrebski | o/ | 15:01 |
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| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday September 14, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.MT for logging with Kibana plugin | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.blueprint => https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/mt-in-kibana | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Reviews | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350470/ | 15:01 |
| kamil_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286782/ - bug fix ? | 15:01 |
| tomasztrebski | Fujitsu's agenda... | 15:01 |
| tomasztrebski | :P | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | After last weeks killer agenda, this week is looking rather light | 15:01 |
| witek | hello | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hello everyone | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | so, does anyone have any open commentary | 15:02 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | logistical issues | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | … | 15:02 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:02 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:02 |
| tomasztrebski | road next to my apartment ceased to exist if that account for logistical issue... | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | One thing I should mention is that the PTL candidacy/elections are coming up | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: hopefully it will be put back | 15:03 |
| witek | rhochmuth: do you candidate? ;) | 15:03 |
| tomasztrebski | noob question - who's PTL ? | 15:03 |
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| larissabraz | o/ | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | witek: i'll put my name in again | 15:03 |
| tomasztrebski | someone important ? very important ? or just representative like queen of England ? | 15:04 |
| witek | project technical lead | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: queen of England | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 15:04 |
| witek | what's the procedure? | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | in the openstack/elections repo add your candidacy | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | if there is more than one, there is a vote | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | there is an official doc in the openstack wiki somewhere | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | but i dont' have it right now | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | i can send to you later | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | shall we start then? | 15:06 |
| witek | yes, please | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | #topic MT for logging with Kibana plugin | 15:07 |
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| tomasztrebski | ok, so it's on us | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | blueprint => https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/mt-in-kibana | 15:07 |
| witek | we would like to propose multi-tenancy solution for logging | 15:07 |
| witek | we save tenant-id in elasticsearch index already | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | so, what is involved? | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | correct, tenant-id is saved | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | along with dimensions and the log message | 15:08 |
| witek | well | 15:08 |
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| witek | index name has the tennant-id | 15:08 |
| tomasztrebski | that's part of the data of single project - so it's implicitly involved here | 15:09 |
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| witek | so you even don't have to read the fields | 15:09 |
| witek | the proposal is to make it with kibana plugin | 15:09 |
| witek | we already have authorisation plugin for kibana | 15:10 |
| witek | now we extend the plugin to filter indices and save project specific data | 15:10 |
| witek | some questions to that? | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | so, this goes back to the original arch diagrams showing the kibana plugin, correct? | 15:11 |
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| witek | yes, kibana sends query requests to ES | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | so, scoping the queries to return only the relevant data for a tenant | 15:12 |
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| witek | I think it allows quering only specific indices, am I right tomasztrebski ? | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | as well as being able to login to Kibana via Keystone authentication, similar to maybe what was done with Grafana | 15:13 |
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| tomasztrebski | queries are scoped to the single project retrieved from token | 15:13 |
| witek | similar to Grafana1 | 15:13 |
| tomasztrebski | that scope goes to entities like actual data, dashboards and visualizations | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | would this plugin be hosted as part of the monasca repos in openstack | 15:14 |
| tomasztrebski | because kibana stores those too in elasticsearch | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | or part of the Kibana repos | 15:15 |
| witek | rhochmuth: that is one question we wanted to ask | 15:15 |
| tomasztrebski | we would like to have this as openstack project | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | is that how the other kibana plugins are done | 15:15 |
| witek | there are no official Kibana plugin repos | 15:15 |
| tomasztrebski | we cannot have this as kibana plugin because officially kibana does not support plugins as it is beatufilly presented in one of the readme files | 15:15 |
| witek | AFAIK | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | we've already done this for the monasca-grafana-plugin repo | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | so basically a monasca-kibana-plugin repo | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | i thoguht kibana was adding the plugin capability | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | is that still in progress? | 15:16 |
| witek | it would be great to have it @openstack | 15:16 |
| witek | rhochmuth: yes, kibana has plugin capability, but does not support any plugins officially | 15:17 |
| tomasztrebski | they have framework to do this, but do not recommend writing custom plugins because framework is likely to changef from version to version | 15:17 |
| tomasztrebski | I mean, that's their statement I read somewhere | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | so, if the kibana way is similar to the grafana way, where a plugin lives outside of the project, then i think hosting it in openstack makes sense | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | so, in that case we would have to keep up with Kibana's changes | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | i'm assuming they would lock down on the plugin interface/api at some point | 15:18 |
| tomasztrebski | check this => https://github.com/elastic/kibana/blob/v4.5.1/src/plugins/README.txt :P | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | well, i don't see any alternative, other than re-writing plugins as they change | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | hopefully, they don't do something too drastic | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | even though it isn't official from Kibana, it still seems like a monasca-kibana-plugin repo, would be the correct approach | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | Kibana isn't going to allow us to merge the plugin in their repo | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | and we have to host it somewhere | 15:20 |
| witek | tomasztrebski: do you have other opinion on that? | 15:20 |
| tomasztrebski | well even timelion, a plugin from ELK itself, is not part of kibana repo | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | i think the hpe team that works on centralized logging would be interested in developing too | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | so timelion is in a separate github repo? | 15:21 |
| tomasztrebski | https://github.com/elastic/timelion | 15:22 |
| tomasztrebski | heh, it was apparently Kibana while movign forward had timelion merged | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | It says, HEADS UP: This repo is deprecated. Timelion has been merged into Kibana. File issues over at https://www.github.com/elastic/kibana | 15:22 |
| tomasztrebski | maybe they've done this for Kibana 5.x | 15:22 |
| tomasztrebski | it was external, installable plugin for Kibana 4.x | 15:22 |
| tomasztrebski | that way I've been playing around with that | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | Are you interested in Kibana 4.X or 5.X? | 15:23 |
| witek | tomasztrebski: I meant, is plugin the right aproach or would you prefer to fork kibana? | 15:23 |
| witek | rhochmuth: tomasztrebski started with initial implementation as plugin | 15:24 |
| tomasztrebski | no opinion on that, though Kibana 5.x comes with several UI improvements, improved builtin applications (old elasticsearch site plugins would be now kibana apps) | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | does 5.X still support plugins? | 15:25 |
| tomasztrebski | but it is still in alpha stage, so we did not look into this | 15:25 |
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| tomasztrebski | but it should support this because of the kibana apps and plugins are mainly designed to support kibana apps AFAIK | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | maybe we should discuss with ES? | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | just to make sure that plugins will be OK | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | my guess is that they would be interested in what we are doing | 15:27 |
| witek | tomasztrebski: could it be an action item for you? | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | and if we let them know, they might provide us additional info | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | and help to not make the wrong decision | 15:28 |
| tomasztrebski | we can try that, I could write an issue (question) @ github informing about our intention and asking about some feedback | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | sure, that is one way, they might have an email list or irc channel that would be better | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | i can check here to see if we've every contacted them | 15:29 |
| witek | or do they want to keep that functionality proprietary in Shield? | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | i don't know, but i still think it is worth a discussion with them | 15:29 |
| tomasztrebski | Shield is bound to basic http + maybe some plugins, but I don't recall keystone as one of them | 15:29 |
| tomasztrebski | if there are any plugins I mean | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | should we wrap-up then | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | action itmes are to learn a little more about plugins, hopefully get some feedback from ES | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | if all is OK, then we would create a monasca-kibana-plugin repo | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | step 3, write code | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | step 4 drink beer | 15:31 |
| witek | sounds fine | 15:31 |
| witek | rhochmuth: you forgot barbecue | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:31 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, I will write this issue @ github asking about some stuff + add your guys (roland, witek) to this | 15:32 |
| tomasztrebski | cool with that ? | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | sure | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | please send email, so i can follow | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | i can't beleive we are discussion yet another monasca repo | 15:32 |
| tomasztrebski | I think you will receive notification from github ( monasca-notification plugin -> lol ) but I will wrap this up in email as well | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | you guys are killing me | 15:32 |
| witek | :) | 15:32 |
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| tomasztrebski | I think you can take 5 additional repos ;-) | 15:33 |
| tomasztrebski | before collapsing or sth :) | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | Instead of project PTL, we need Monasca Chief of Repos | 15:33 |
| witek | shield: " Login and Session Management in Kibana Shield contains a Kibana plugin that provides user authentication and session support, making it easier than ever to fully protect Kibana." | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | #topic reviews | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350470/ | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i see craig's been working on this with you | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | but, he hasnt' commented recently | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | should i ping him | 15:35 |
| tomasztrebski | mhm, we already have newer kafka, looks great btw, and that agent's stuff from this review would help us a bit | 15:35 |
| tomasztrebski | if you'd be so kind, that'd be great | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll do that | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | we have a planning session today | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | in hpe | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | i'll mention that review too | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | perhaps Joe Keen too | 15:36 |
| tomasztrebski | + think about upgrading kafka in devstack, there's one feature in newer kafka that might be interesting from MT POV, or limiting access to kafka in general | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | upgrade to 10.X | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | ? | 15:36 |
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| tomasztrebski | right now to 0.9, kafka-python won't work with kafka 0.10 | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | at least it says that client currently available in global requirements works only with kafka 0.9.x AFAIR | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | if openstack goes up with this I suspect we will need to upgrade kafka + monasca-common | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | up to kafka 0.10.x | 15:37 |
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| rhochmuth | well, unfortuatley, we are the one's blocking the upgrade becayse so far the latest python kafka client has got some problems | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | assuming that upgrade occurs, then we can move to kafka 10 | 15:39 |
| tomasztrebski | if there are issues, I don't think nobody wants to break stuff up, me in the first place | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | right | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think we've looked at the latest python kafka client | 15:39 |
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| tomasztrebski | as I said upgrading kafka/zookeeper in devstack is optional item I could do if you all agree to that, but not something that needs to be done | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | but joe has been following pretty closely all the developments | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | i think we should ping joe | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | and get this thoughts on that | 15:40 |
| tomasztrebski | Joe is in this review as well | 15:40 |
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| tomasztrebski | I'd appreciate their (Joe, Craig) insight on this matter | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'l; bring it up with them | 15:41 |
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| tomasztrebski | that's all from my side btw | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286782/ | 15:42 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, this one is old (I know) but recently we reported/fixed bug about logging in log-api here => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365932/ | 15:42 |
| tomasztrebski | and noticed that review in the process | 15:42 |
| tomasztrebski | basically that would fix issue where files are not rolled after reaching certain size/age + enable granular control over logging different pieces of information at different severities | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | So, you want to get this change merged too | 15:43 |
| tomasztrebski | however I couldn't receive any feedback from creator of this change, so I am posting this here to ask if we could take it over and finish this review | 15:43 |
| tomasztrebski | + match up to other OS projects | 15:44 |
| tomasztrebski | in terms of handling the logging | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | sure, i don't see any problems taking it over | 15:44 |
| witek | tomasztrebski: well, you've sent email today :) | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think he'll mind | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | checking with him via email is a good step | 15:45 |
| tomasztrebski | I did send an email, you were in CC ;-) | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | i'm assuming he'll be thrilled to see it progressed after 6 months | 15:46 |
| witek | :) | 15:46 |
| tomasztrebski | but last monascan (I think that was the phrase) got bunch of emails :D so it might be overlooked :P | 15:46 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, so I will wait two extra days and if there's no progress me or someone else from Fujitsu will match this code to the log-api and it will be ready for final review/merge | 15:47 |
| tomasztrebski | ok ? | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 15:48 |
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| witek | sounds good | 15:48 |
| tomasztrebski | yupi :D | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | #topic summit | 15:48 |
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| rhochmuth | i thought we could spend a few minutes discussing the summit | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | right now we have 6 design summit slots | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | one more than austin | 15:49 |
| witek | on which day? | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | i don't know | 15:49 |
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| rhochmuth | i beleive thursday and friday | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | spance multiple days | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | spans | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | i was hoping that several slots would be to discuss monasca analytics, like 3 | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | i expecting several folks to show up | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | that leaves 3 slots or possibly 4 for more general monasca disucssions | 15:51 |
| witek | from hp labs? | 15:51 |
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| rhochmuth | correct, as well as fujitsu | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | hosanai and his team | 15:52 |
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| hosanai | rhochmuth: yeah, i and daisuke will go there | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | hi hosanai | 15:52 |
| hosanai | rhochmuth: hello | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | on friday, i would like to spend all my time on monasca-analytics if possible | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | and possibly part of thursday too | 15:53 |
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| tomasztrebski | is there quick way to install analytics (like devstack plugin for monasca-transform) we could use to set this up quickly and play around ? | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, i think we have lot's of opportunities to do more monasca planning | 15:53 |
| witek | cassandra would need 1 session or 2 | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | there is a devstack plugin, but it isn't fast to setup | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i think cassandra would be 1 or 2 sessions | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | what other topics would be valuable to discuss in barcelona, with the restricted set of folks we have available | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | possibly the kibana discussion we were just having | 15:54 |
| witek | yes, could be | 15:55 |
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| rhochmuth | and logging in general | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: i'm assuming you are going as well a kamil | 15:55 |
| kamil_ | yes... i will join | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | great! | 15:56 |
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| witek | tomasztrebski is sleeping... :) | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | one the bootcamp, what i did for austin is at, https://github.com/roland-hochmuth/monasca-bootcamp | 15:56 |
| tomasztrebski | no I am not, just responded privately...a little bit of intimacy please ;-) | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | that is an ipython notebook | 15:57 |
| kamil_ | great. i will take a look into | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | i don't know if you want to keep that format | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | i think the material shoudl be different though | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | covering different areas of monasca, including logging | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | if you have any questions about the ipython, please let me know | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | well, i guess that is a wrap for today | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | sounds like we've got some ideas on good topics for barcelona too | 15:58 |
| bklei | wish i was gonna be there | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | i'll follow up on those reviews that were mentioned with my team | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | me to | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | it is very difficult to so design summits without everyone there | 15:59 |
| witek | bklei: yes, it's pitty | 15:59 |
| bklei | sad panda | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | the follow-on summit in february in boston, is the one i'm, hoping everyone can attend | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | panda wanna cry | 15:59 |
| tomasztrebski | kung-fu panda don't cry o.o | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | bklei, the dimensions names/values and names reivews are ready | 16:00 |
| bklei | there's no crying in monasca | 16:00 |
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| bklei | ok -- will pull in and test | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | ooops got to go and close the meeting | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| witek | thanks | 16:00 |
| witek | bye | 16:00 |
| kamil_ | bye | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | bye | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 16:00:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-09-14-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-09-14-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| tomasztrebski | bye | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-09-14-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 16:02:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:02 |
| eglute | #chair markvoelker hogepodge | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:02 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:02 |
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| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.17 | 16:02 |
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| eglute | Morning everyone, please review the agenda and add/update as needed! | 16:02 |
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| catherine_d|1 | o/ | 16:03 |
| tongli | o/ | 16:03 |
| shamail | Hi everyone | 16:03 |
| eglute | #topic summit | 16:03 |
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| eglute | hogepodge where you able to get us time for working group session? | 16:04 |
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| hogepodge | egallen: I submitted the request, and I'll hear back once the scheduling is completed | 16:04 |
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| eglute | great, thank you! | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | I asked for Tuesday PM by popular request | 16:04 |
| eglute | do we need to do anything else besides wait? | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | I don't think so. | 16:05 |
| eglute | great, thank you | 16:05 |
| eglute | #topic 2017.01 Guideline | 16:05 |
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| eglute | markvoelker, want to take this? | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | Sure | 16:05 |
| eglute | thank you! | 16:05 |
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| markvoelker | So, hopefully folks who were not familiar with the scoring process or needed a refresher were able to attend the how-to session last week | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | If not, be sure to check out: | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | #link https://plus.google.com/events/cuejgn5k8keg0j0c11qi3k4j15c Scoring Intro Session | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | If you've done this before, nothing really new here...the process is pretty well established now. | 16:06 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge for preparing the slides and doing the presentation! | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | What we need to do now is get people signed up to play point on the various projects | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | There's a signup form in today's etherpad, so please jump in | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | I'll send out a note to the ML as well | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | Remember that you're not actually doing this all alone | 16:07 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker! | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | Your job is to make a start by sending up an initial proposal, and then the rest of the committee will help with the final evaluation via gerrit | 16:08 |
| shamail | +1, thanks hogepodge | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | (which might involve changing the initial scores, adding new capabilities, etC) | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | So, think of this is "you're volunteering to make the initial pass" | 16:09 |
| markvoelker | One thing that's a little new this time: there's been some interest in Heat as a separate component | 16:09 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: do we have a deadline for getting the initial pass sent up? (as someone who is oversubscribed I've found deadlines to be a good motivator) | 16:09 |
| eglute | September 21 | 16:10 |
| eglute | that means 2 weeks from today | 16:10 |
| eglute | err | 16:10 |
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| eglute | I cannot math | 16:10 |
| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker: The issue with Heat is still on test coverage .. I will request for a Heat design session at Barcelona | 16:10 |
| eglute | one week. is that enough time? | 16:10 |
| eglute | i am guessing not | 16:10 |
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| markvoelker | Well, we have until Oct 12th to get scoring finished so if we need to bleed over a bit we can...but generally we need to get this underway ASAP | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | 2016.08 was a pretty major change with networking coming in--I suspect this time will be a bit less exciting. =) | 16:12 |
| eglute | markvoelker i think keeping it less exciting would be good! | 16:12 |
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| markvoelker | catherine_d|1: Yes, that could potentially be a big landmine. Part of what I'd like us to do this time around is understand if we'd actually have test coverage for meaningful capabilities yet. If not, this should be a short exercise. | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | (as a reminder folks: the TC has asked us to only consider Temepst tests--not in-tre tests--when evaluating, so projects with limited coverage in Tempest are at a disadvantage) | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | Or put another way: they have some work to do to migrate tests before we can really meaningfully include them. | 16:14 |
| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker: exactly... on last check not (Heat) test get into Tempest yet ...and that would be the topic for the design session wewill request | 16:14 |
| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker: however, they are working on implementing the Tempest plugin interface which is the first step | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | Ok, so let's see if we can get folks signed up....feel free to volunteer for more than one project if you wish and have bandwidth. | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | Also | 16:16 |
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| hogepodge | yes, please work with teams and qa on migrating tests if they want them to be considered | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | When we start sending in patches, some of those may end up proposing changes to next.json (if we discover new capabilities that should be added) | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | So we need to do a bit of housekeeping to get next.json ready to receive updates | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | I have a patch up for that: | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | Also, be mindful that this could be a hard sell. Asking teams to move part of the CI and project code may come across as presumptuous. | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367066/ Clean up next.json | 16:17 |
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| eglute | markvoelker did you use 2016.08 for creating next.json? | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I've run across a couple of folks who were somehow unaware of the TC resolution on this, by the way...so it's good to point out that it's a TC directive, not ours. | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | eglute: yes, this patch reconciles the differences between them | 16:18 |
| eglute | great, thank you! | 16:18 |
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| markvoelker | eglute (see item 1 in the commit message) | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | Ok, anything further on scoring? | 16:19 |
| * eglute reads commit message | 16:19 | |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: yes, that's true. there's also a burden on us to convince project leadership that it's worth participating in defcore/interop | 16:19 |
| * hogepodge is just relaying some of the understandable pushback he's felt over the last month or so | 16:20 | |
| Rockyg | we might ge some movement/discussion if we score out of tempest capabilities | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/resolutions/20160504-defcore-test-location.rst | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | anyway, sorry to distract from the review at hand | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: nope, that's good stuff to be aware of =) | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | Ok, if nothing further on scoring, let's move on | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker Send email about scoring signups | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | #topic Name change updates (if any) | 16:23 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: So this one's sort of lower in the priority queue, but I guess we need to do some coordination with the Foundation on changing things up on Foundation websites | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | Should we maybe corner someone for a hallway chat in Barcelona or something? | 16:23 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: sure, that sounds good. | 16:24 |
| shamail | We can talk to Jimmy most likely… | 16:24 |
| eglute | i think hogepodge and shamail were going to come up with a list of things as well | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | shamail: let's get on a call today or tomorrow to do the initial work list | 16:24 |
| shamail | hogepodge: tomorrow is better, lets decide on the time when we are on the phone for the next meeting | 16:25 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, sounds like you guys can work on that one offline. =) NExt topic? | 16:26 |
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| eglute | yes! | 16:26 |
| eglute | #topic DT Public Cloud | 16:26 |
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| eglute | hogepodge, all yours! | 16:26 |
| hogepodge | I wanted to bring attention to a public cloud that's working on the interoperability tests | 16:26 |
| hogepodge | The mailing list has most of the relevant issues. | 16:27 |
| eglute | good discussion on the mailing list! | 16:27 |
| hogepodge | There are a couple of tests I'd like to work on that make some pre and post condition assumptions about the test environment, but I'm working with the team to help them resolve the rest of the outstanding API issues | 16:27 |
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| hogepodge | I'm not sure if anyone from the DT team is here and wants to expand | 16:27 |
| eglute | hogepodge, would changing the glance tests help with the issue? | 16:28 |
| Rockyg | I'm here, and I loved hogepodge's response to monty | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | eglute: in some instances changing the tests would work. for example, one failure is in testing volume attachments | 16:29 |
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| hogepodge | eglute: so if a vm is booted from volume, it will show an extra volume attachment because the assertion that there are zero at boot is false in that case | 16:30 |
| Rockyg | I'm not on DT team, but clos to all of it | 16:30 |
| hogepodge | eglute: in others, the downstream code needs to change, because if you're "booting from image id" but then you can't list the vms booted from that id, the API abstraction is leaking | 16:30 |
| eglute | i liked hogepodge response to monty as well, but i am not sure of the impact. how many tests would need to be flagged? | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | eglute: I'm hoping zero tests, and two or three modified (perhaps during the next week at the qa mid-cycle) | 16:31 |
| Rockyg | The ral issue in most instancs is fixing the code itself to fully impement the abstraction of boot my vm | 16:32 |
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| catherine_d|1 | This is sort of like "give me an external network" | 16:32 |
| Rockyg | I think we need to file som bugs against the missing/divergent code | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | I'm bringing this discussion up in the interest of transparency and community engagement too, so we can have an understanding of what a large public vendor is facing. | 16:33 |
| catherine_d|1 | in this case "boot a VM for me" should be the upper abstraction layer | 16:33 |
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| Rockyg | Yup. different ways of booting is sort of like flavors. Do you want to boot fast? Save state? start from clean slate? | 16:33 |
| catherine_d|1 | whether boot from image or volume should be configurable parameters | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:34 |
| catherine_d|1 | end-user should not care about the backend storage | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | enterprise and providers could favor boot from volume because all the info is in the assigned storage. It doesn't go away when the vm is gone | 16:35 |
| catherine_d|1 | backend storage would be the differentiator that the vendors want to advertise | 16:35 |
| Rockyg | right. type of boot prferred is part of type of workload. | 16:36 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, anything further to talk about on this one right now? | 16:37 |
| eglute | i agree that it should be a bit more abstracted. | 16:37 |
| eglute | hogepodge Rockyg can you let us know if you expect to flag some tests? | 16:38 |
| hogepodge | eglute: yes, we will definitely do that | 16:38 |
| eglute | if no flagging is needed, that is of course ideal | 16:38 |
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| Rockyg | I will. But, as hogepodge said, some could be rseolved at midcycle | 16:38 |
| hogepodge | eglute: the community and working group review process for flagging is important | 16:38 |
| eglute | agreed | 16:39 |
| Rockyg | I think we may be all right, but as DerfCore, we should broadcast our thinking about fixing the abstraction | 16:39 |
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| eglute | perhaps the discussion could be shared on the dev mailing list as well | 16:40 |
| eglute | or a new one started | 16:40 |
| Rockyg | sounds good. | 16:40 |
| Rockyg | should we expand to dev list or ops list? | 16:40 |
| eglute | both! | 16:41 |
| eglute | if there is nothing else, looks like we can end early | 16:41 |
| eglute | catherine_d|1 do you have anything refstack related? | 16:42 |
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| catherine_d|1 | eglute: thank you for your review on the RefStack spec | 16:42 |
| catherine_d|1 | It would be nice to have a few more +1s :-) | 16:43 |
| eglute | can you post links again? | 16:43 |
| catherine_d|1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343954/ | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | #topic refstack updates | 16:43 |
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| eglute | #action everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343954/ | 16:43 |
| catherine_d|1 | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/ | 16:43 |
| catherine_d|1 | eglute: thank you! | 16:44 |
| eglute | #action everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/ | 16:44 |
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| eglute | thanks catherine_d|1! | 16:44 |
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| eglute | anything else? | 16:44 |
| eglute | #topic open floor | 16:44 |
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| eglute | looks like we can end early. thanks everyone! | 16:45 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 16:45:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-09-14-16.02.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-09-14-16.02.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-09-14-16.02.log.html | 16:45 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 20:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 20:00 |
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| bpokorny | o/ | 20:00 |
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| robcresswell | Hey all | 20:01 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | hi rob! | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | SO | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | agenda's looking pretty empty, I guess everyone is digging into bps for next cycle and summit stuff ;) | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | Reminder about the summit planning | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ocata-summit | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | Add session thoughts there | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | I don't know how much actual discussion will be needed; but it'll be good to plan out features and who can do what | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | with working sessions, we can talk or work on making it happen | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | Yup | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | I'll be tagging RC1 tomorrow, hoping to squeeze in Glance v2, which still needs reviews please! | 20:04 |
| bpokorny | +1 :) | 20:04 |
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| robcresswell | I've gone over it once and found a couple minor things, but it mostly worked for me. Still, it needs more eyes | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | Thats all from me I think, and the agenda is empty today | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | hmm filtering should get in especially the setting one | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | so we don't have to change a setting again | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | it has a +2 | 20:06 |
| * david-lyle goes to review | 20:06 | |
| robcresswell | :) | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | well after the meeting | 20:06 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369648/ is the one you mean? | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: yeah | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | thats the one | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | still don't like the ADMIN at the beginning of the setting name | 20:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh, it was created yesterday, that's why I didn't notice it ;-) | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | lcastell: I thought we were removing that? | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | updated and better plan thanks to ducttape_ | 20:08 |
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| robcresswell | if we're nitpicking, can we indent the dict in the rst properly too :p | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | I just think it could be more generally useful, but will not complain about the setting name again | 20:09 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: I'm not bothered either way, but its a reasonable comment | 20:09 |
| * david-lyle stop complaining, funny | 20:09 | |
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| robcresswell | We have time to alter it anyway, if others agree | 20:09 |
| lcastell_ | Sorry i'm late | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324112 would also be a good patch to get merged | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Just because it implements the filter for projects/users, which are potentially problematic anyway | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | they would all be nice to get in | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | :D | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | but I agree | 20:11 |
| lcastell_ | So remove the admin prefix then?, I thought leaving it so users know it's only for admin views | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Yes | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | lcastell: going to merge as is | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | hmmm | 20:11 |
| * robcresswell can hear the cogs turning | 20:12 | |
| david-lyle | lcastell: theoretically you could implement it in all the table views | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | and turn them on 1 by 1 | 20:12 |
| lcastell | yeah :P | 20:12 |
| lcastell | hehe | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | since we have the trigger mech in the patch now | 20:12 |
| * david-lyle is torn | 20:12 | |
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| david-lyle | let's just move forward with what we have | 20:13 |
| lcastell | Ok, I can update it later | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | Well | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | no, you cant really :p | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | lcastell: my main concern is not releasing it and then changing it | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | s/not// | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, we'd end up with a PROJECT_FILTER_FIRST setting | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | anyone else have an opinion? | 20:14 |
| lcastell | Oh! :( | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | you could do filter_first, and then admin_networks, admin_users etc. | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | project_users, project_networks etc.. | 20:14 |
| lcastell | well I can update it fast if necessary | 20:14 |
| lcastell | your call guys | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | technically it should probably be based on the table class | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | I don't think david-lyle will be able to sleep unless we change it | 20:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | heh | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | rather than arbitrary | 20:15 |
| lcastell | hahaha | 20:15 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | sorry I had to duck out for a moment; david-lyle your concern is just over s/ADMIN_FILTER_DATA_FIRST/FILTER_DATA_FIRST in that patch? | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | yes | 20:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | and then the confusion over turning it on in admin vs. project panels | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | and then prefixing the admin versions with admin_ I think | 20:16 |
| lcastell | yeah | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | especially since some are in the identity dash | 20:16 |
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| david-lyle | I've convinced myself | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: I would just use <dashboard>_<table_name> | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | I would like it updated | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | not table name? | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | err, view name | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | as in the class name? | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | or the meta name | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | view wont work, technically there can be multiple tables. | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | don't ask me questions :P | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:17 |
| lcastell | :P | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think it should be <dashboard>.<view name> | 20:17 |
| lcastell | ok let's draft another blueprint :P | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | view name is nearly always the same as the table name anyway | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | I can live with that | 20:18 |
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| david-lyle | just thinking python could block some of the potential conflicts for us | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | I'm not even sure what we just resolved. | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | but we'll rely on people | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | oh | 20:18 |
| r1chardj0n3s | lcastell: I vote that the blueprint should be blue | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | conflicts like what? | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: It should be drafted with invisible ink. | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | using the same name agian | 20:18 |
| lcastell | lol | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | example? | 20:19 |
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| david-lyle | my plugin goes into the admin dash and implements an images view | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | not replaces but complimentary | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | I happen to use admin.images | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | corner case | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | it'll be fine | 20:20 |
| * robcresswell sits and waits for dave to finish discussing with himself | 20:20 | |
| david-lyle | too late for that change | 20:20 |
| lcastell | so i.e "project.instances" is it OK or not? | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | name of setting is good and <dashboard>.<view> string is good enough | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | lcastell: yea | 20:21 |
| lcastell | ok | 20:21 |
| lcastell | and no "ADMIN" prefix | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | I don't see the need for ADMIN_ | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | reduces flexibility | 20:21 |
| lcastell | fair enough | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | sold | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | make it so | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'll take two | 20:21 |
| lcastell | I'll have something in a couple | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | make mine pink | 20:22 |
| lcastell | be ready to review ;) haha | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | thanks lcastell | 20:22 |
| lcastell | np | 20:22 |
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| robcresswell | Cool, we got there | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | So, setting change, glance v2, identity filters please :) | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | I've gone over all of them and will be looking again tomorrow morning | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | roger! | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | and a quart of milk and a stick of butter | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | 0.o | 20:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | "stick" is such a bizarre measurement | 20:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (not that "quart" isn't also) | 20:24 |
| lcastell | lol | 20:24 |
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| robcresswell | If anyone feels like banging their head against a desk, glance at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357829/ | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | don't mind me | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | there is a d_o_a patch for dj110 which has had a few reviews from richard | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | we really ought to get that in if at all possible and the doa | 20:25 |
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| david-lyle | but doa is not going to release anyway | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | I've been staring at this today and can't figure out why the request data isn't getting populated. | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | It may well be a line im missing from the release notes, or a misconfiguration in my change... idk. | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | But commenting out a couple of lines makes the dashboard 99% usable, all the actions work, navigation all works, majority of tests pass (all but 3 iirc) | 20:26 |
| r1chardj0n3s | 99%? heck, ship it! | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:26 |
| r1chardj0n3s | this is the web! | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | comment out more | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | screw tests | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | maybe it will all work | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | you're just trying to do too much | 20:27 |
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| robcresswell | *anyway* | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (yes, I will try to look at that also today) | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: is tomorrow the deadline? | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: For RC1? This week. So yes, tomorrow. | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | what day is it? | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | If we patch it, we can always tag an RC2. | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | Thursday | 20:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | well, it's Thursday here | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | features don't go into RC2 | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | I'm sure we patched dj19 in RC2 last time? | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | maybe im imagining that. | 20:29 |
| * david-lyle will not confirm even if true | 20:29 | |
| * david-lyle does not remember | 20:30 | |
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| robcresswell | Well, lets not plan to do that anyway. If anyone has an observations, feel free to upload a new patch or comment. | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: is that the only dj10 blocker? | 20:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's the sort of change that could have bizarre side-effects that we really need to notice during rc1 I think | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | It could do, but the actual release isn't for another 3 weeks iirc | 20:31 |
| * robcresswell checks | 20:31 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | we're rc1'ing early, yes? | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | thing is d-o-a release would not make requirements or u-c changes happen, it's just an enabler for distros | 20:31 |
| robcresswell | the auto u-c update might catch it | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: No, we're RC-ing on time | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | Actual Newton Release is Oct 6 | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | Final RC date is Sep 29 | 20:32 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I thought we were doing the week-earlier thing for plugins | 20:32 |
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| robcresswell | we had FF early | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | but not RC | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | we need an RC-1 to make sure translations make it | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | for RC-2 | 20:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | right, yup | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | RC1 is hard string freeze. | 20:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | just pulled up the schedule (geez they make it hard to find through google) | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | releases.openstack.org :) | 20:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yes | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | look out across the horizon, some day this could all be yours | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | don't mind the ugly bits | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: To answer your earlier question, yes, I think it should be the last patch | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | for dj110 | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: ok | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | I wonder about a weasely release note then | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | should d-o-a ever support dj10, horizon will too | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | something to really stoke confidence | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | Isn't doa on independent release anyway? | 20:36 |
| * david-lyle looks at requirements | 20:37 | |
| robcresswell | Huh, no it isnt. | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | - release:cycle-with-intermediary | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: we can release it whenever | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | it's updating the requirements I wonder about | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: as long as we don't break backwards compatibility | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353350/ | 20:38 |
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| robcresswell | thats the patch in question | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | but adding dj10 seems like more than a minor bug fix | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | its 1.10 specific, all conditional. | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | I suppose it's the last bit of it | 20:39 |
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| david-lyle | a strong maybe for bug fix | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | The other alternative is just to point packagers at specific patches | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | yup | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | well let's make sure it's working and then we can figure out the release path | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | agreed | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | Anything else? | 20:43 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | (sorry, ADSL dropped out for a bit there) | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | ADSL | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | -.- | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think the DOA patch should be able to go in today | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I just need to test it properly | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | and the convince another sucker^H^H^H^H^Hcore to review it ;-) | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | I thought Australia had a great broadband network? They always talk about it | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | haha | 20:45 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it does get talked about a lot, yes | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | :p | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Testing would be good | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | Even better if the testing was before the +2 :D | 20:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: it's a thing the kids do these days | 20:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :-P | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | beggars cant be choosers though | 20:46 |
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| robcresswell | I think we're about done here :) | 20:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | +a | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | Thanks everyone! | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 20:48:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-09-14-20.00.html | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-09-14-20.00.txt | 20:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-09-14-20.00.log.html | 20:48 |
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