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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 14:00:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | hello/ | 14:01 |
| tosky | hi | 14:01 |
| zemuvier | hello | 14:01 |
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| tellesnobrega | o/ | 14:02 |
| esikachev | hi | 14:02 |
| raissa | hi | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
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| elmiko | hi | 14:03 |
| crobertsrh | For me, I'm still in review-only mode | 14:04 |
| tosky | trying to fix the imported tests (there are two pending reviews, one is good to go and it will open the way for further work); also, still working on cleaning up the jars | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | still performing some block storage solution comparisons for sahara; additionally doing some sahara tests. Working on preparing release N3 a little | 14:04 |
| elmiko | i'm in the same boat as crobertsrh | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | I got MapR on centos7 to work, and sent the image creation patch for review. I will put to review today a patch on the sahara side that is needed to have mapr on centos 7. | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | Also I have to write documentation on the floating ips change, hopefully I can do that today as well | 14:06 |
| zemuvier | doing fixes for cli-tests in sahara tempest tests, fixed the bug with 'lsb_release -is' in sahara, also started to work on new patch in sahara-tests with posibility to do cluster'verification | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, is communication with MapR folks works well for you? Did you get some feedback from them? | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, up to now I only had one problem and they responded fairly quick, so yes, it worked out ok | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | I will follow up on that thread with the changes I made and a link to the review so they can checkout and see if anything is missing | 14:09 |
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| vgridnev | zemuvier, about verifications, please remember that we have to keep backward compatibility for scenario framework, so if health checks are not available we should not get a failure | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | it's actually only for liberty :) | 14:09 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Newton 3 release | 14:11 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:11 |
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| vgridnev | so, please note that I'm going to propose final release of client at Aug. 31 - Sept. 1, and Newton-3 for sahara around Aug. 31 - Sept. 1 | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | so, all needed things for client have to be landed till these dates | 14:13 |
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| tosky | are there big pending changes for the clients? | 14:13 |
| tosky | (iirc no) | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | tosky, I don't think we have something big, but probably we will need boot from volume, which is still not on review | 14:14 |
| tosky | well, the two image generation changes, but they are WIP (egafford?) | 14:14 |
| tosky | vgridnev: time to submit the patch then :) | 14:14 |
| vgridnev | but it's actually change in 1 flag, most probably | 14:14 |
| vgridnev | tosky, NikitaKonovalov at PTO right now | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | :( | 14:15 |
| tosky | like "please nova boot from the volume"? | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | tosky, image generation stuff is not going to affect client, egafford am I right? | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | tosky, something like that | 14:16 |
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| tosky | right, the patches by egafford are for sahara, not the CLI | 14:16 |
| tosky | so we should be fine there | 14:16 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:18 |
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| vgridnev | do we have something that we can discuss? | 14:19 |
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| tosky | I see that infra at least started planning for the room during the summit; we talked about it last time, but maybe at this point it's better to wait for the official announcements on the available spaces | 14:20 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, but we can probably start adding topics for discussions | 14:21 |
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| vgridnev | with keeping in mind that we agreed to have around 6-7 workrooms | 14:22 |
| tosky | yep | 14:22 |
| egafford | vgridnev: That's right; the image gen stuff is a different CLI that's packaged with Sahara itself, not the client. | 14:23 |
| tosky | totally different topic, any news about the Sahara CI? | 14:24 |
| vgridnev | esikachev, ^^ | 14:24 |
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| vgridnev | I saw there were openstack issues two days ago :( (heat stack was not removed because of floating ips) | 14:25 |
| tosky | on the Sahara CI? | 14:25 |
| tosky | what I see for now are timeouts | 14:25 |
| vgridnev | today esikachev said that there are issue with image | 14:25 |
| vgridnev | just few updates from esikachev; seems like openstack issues are solved, we need to rebuild images now. I hope we can get that back soon | 14:30 |
| vgridnev | egafford, tosky do you remember what ether pad we had to austin for topics? | 14:31 |
| vgridnev | I found by myself :) | 14:32 |
| tosky | good news | 14:32 |
| tosky | (the issues resolved on the Sahara CI, and also that you found the pad :) | 14:32 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-ocata-summit | 14:33 |
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| tosky | last time you mentioned (quoting) " we did discussions of EDP, Horizon, Tests, API, Release models, Image generations" | 14:36 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, yep | 14:38 |
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| tosky | so we can start from there and refine | 14:38 |
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| vgridnev | additionally we can transform Release Models to something, probably. Something like Cluster provisioning enhancements | 14:40 |
| tosky | uh, makes sense | 14:40 |
| hurgleburgler | lol | 14:41 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: +1 to a cluster provisioning enhancements session (it's the major use case of the application really.) | 14:43 |
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| vgridnev | anything else to discuss? | 14:47 |
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| tellesnobrega | nothing on my side | 14:48 |
| egafford | Don't believe so. | 14:48 |
| vgridnev | Uh, just thoughts. I remember that we did something like Bug days somedays, do we need that? I think that we can spend one week for that during RC1 timeframe | 14:49 |
| tellesnobrega | that would be good | 14:49 |
| tosky | yes | 14:49 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Yeah, bug days and doc days. | 14:50 |
| tosky | docs, yes | 14:51 |
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| tellesnobrega | +1 | 14:51 |
| vgridnev | yep, we can combine that actually. Something like docs + bug week started since Sept. 1 | 14:51 |
| vgridnev | Since N3 release cut | 14:52 |
| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-bug-days | 14:53 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-doc-days | 14:54 |
| egafford | vgridnev: We should have a bug scrub before we do the bug fix, too. | 14:54 |
| vgridnev | egafford, let's do that during the next meeting | 14:55 |
| vgridnev | actually most bugs at launchpad make sense | 14:55 |
| vgridnev | I'll try to reset assignees for bugs without activity | 14:56 |
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| vgridnev | ok, I'll put to agenda of the next meeting "Bug review" | 14:57 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 14:58:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-08-25-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-08-25-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-08-25-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| elmiko | thanks vgridnev | 14:58 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 15:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | hi o/ | 15:01 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 15:01 |
| jschwarz | \o/ | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #chair carl_baldwin | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:01 |
| njohnston | carl_baldwin just said that he's off this morning on #openstack-neutron | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | Agenda for today is here: | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | njohnston: yeah, I saw that, thanks :-) | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'm mobile and won't be able to participate in general | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: np, we will try not to wreck the place without your supervision :_) | 15:03 |
| * john-davidge will try no such thing | 15:03 | |
| mlavalle | #topic Annoucements | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: it is in good hands | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | So we are getting to the end of Newton.... Next week is L3 | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | any other announcements, reminders from the team? | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:07 | |
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| mlavalle | We don't have any critical bugs this week. The one we had hasn't shown up over a good period of time | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | So first High priority one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1583759 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1583759 in neutron "Invalid input for operation: IP allocation requires subnets for network" [High,New] - Assigned to Bharat Kumar (bharatkumar) | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | So it is being worked on | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | any comments from anyone? | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1609540 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609540 in neutron "Deleting csnat port fails due to no fixed ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | We haven't seen any ocurrences of this one lately either. carl_baldwin added a debug level message to track this one | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | I have to check with infra if we get debug level messages in logstash. I will follow up with this | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | #action mlavalle to follow up with infra about debug level messages | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1562878 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562878 in neutron "L3 HA: Unable to complete operation on subnet" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ann Taraday (akamyshnikova) | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: do you have any comments on this one? | 15:14 |
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| jschwarz | mlavalle, nopes. | 15:14 |
| jschwarz | I haven't had much time to work on this and neither has Ann I think | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: you planning to follow up? | 15:15 |
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| jschwarz | mlavalle, last I tried, I couldn't get this to reproduce | 15:15 |
| jschwarz | mlavalle, so until there's a reproduction setup I don't see much value in hunting down ghosts | 15:15 |
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| jschwarz | also it's not appearing in the gate so.. | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | jschwarz: ok, do us a favor, since you are closer to Ann's time zone, would you check with her if she is being able to reproduce? | 15:16 |
| jschwarz | mlavalle, I'll put a reminder to ask her | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | If the answer is no, let's update it and demote it, since it is not showing up in the gate | 15:17 |
| jschwarz | sounds good to me | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: thanks :-) | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,Confirmed] | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | Last time we talked about this, john-belamaric was going to check if they could take care of it | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: do you know anything about following up with this bug ^^^^ | 15:20 |
| pavel_bondar | mlavalle: I don't have any news about it | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | better to follow up with John, right? | 15:21 |
| pavel_bondar | But I can ping John about it later today | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: yeah, please do that and leave us anote in the bug, please | 15:21 |
| pavel_bondar | mlavalle: it would be even better, to check directly with John | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: ok, I'll follow up with John directly | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | #action mlavalle to follow up with John Belamaric about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,Confirmed] | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | Last one in the list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1612186 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1612186 in neutron "failed to create flavor router" [High,In progress] - Assigned to yong sheng gong (gongysh) | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | This is a new one that njohnston helped us recently to triage | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 15:24 |
| njohnston | happy to help | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | And it is being worked on | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | any additional comments? | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs from the team that I might have missed? | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | Here, in the absence of carl_baldwin I just want to highlight a few patchsets | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | Number 1 is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350613/ by john-davidge | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | it merged last night | 15:28 |
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| john-davidge | Woohoo! \o/ | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | Great job! And I personally found it very educational with the discussion of joins vs filters :-) | 15:29 |
| john-davidge | No critical gate-breakers reported yet. I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | The other patchset worth mentioning is the enablement of segments creation and deletion in ml2 | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317358 | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | We need ML2 expert eyes to review it. hoping kevinbenton have time to take a look soon | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | anything ele I might be missing john-davidge ? | 15:31 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Nothing else that carl_baldwin mentioned as high priority iirc | 15:32 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: I have a documentation WIP for the networking guide for service subnets #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360526/ | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | ok, will take a look | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | and that reminds me also of carl_baldwin's documentation: | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356013/ | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | This is the routed networks doc. Please take time to review it | 15:34 |
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| mlavalle | Moving on | 15:34 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: will do, thanks | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | #chair tidwellr | 15:34 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr | 15:34 |
| * tidwellr is sorry for joining late | 15:35 | |
| * mlavalle adding some fault tolerance to the meeting :-) | 15:35 | |
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| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BGP Dynamic Routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:35 | |
| mlavalle | tidwellr, steve_ruan: you are on | 15:35 |
| steve_ruan | yes | 15:35 |
| steve_ruan | I submit a new spec for bgp evpn advertisement | 15:35 |
| steve_ruan | totally in depend on networking-bgpvpn | 15:36 |
| steve_ruan | please help review | 15:36 |
| steve_ruan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360620 | 15:36 |
| tidwellr | steve_ruan: I'm trying to make time for it, I've got other things I'm trying to get in to Newton, sorry for the silence | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | steve_ruan: I'll try to catch carl_baldwin today to chat about it and get this lined up for the drivers meeting | 15:37 |
| steve_ruan | <tidwellr> thanks, | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | btw we finally have the all voting jobs up and running against neutron-dynamic-routing, spinout is complete | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | \o/ | 15:38 |
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| tidwellr | that's all I had | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr, steve_ruan: thanks for the updates | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | #topic FWaaS | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:39 | |
| mlavalle | njohnston: your turn | 15:39 |
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| njohnston | Hi! So almost all of the L3 agent extension patches are merged, thanks for everyone's help, support, and reviews. | 15:39 |
| njohnston | The one that is left is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357503/ | 15:39 |
| njohnston | carl_baldwin had some review comments on that, and I am going to sync with him later when he is in. | 15:40 |
| njohnston | We're also working on the FWaaS side for the FWaaS L3 agent extension, it looks like things are going all right | 15:40 |
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| njohnston | I think that covers the current state of things. | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | njohnston: thanks for the update | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #topic Conversion to Pluggable IPAM | 15:42 |
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| mlavalle | Here the update is that we switched to pluggable IPAM since 2 weeks ago: | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181023 | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | So far so good.... \o/ | 15:43 |
| pavel_bondar | great :) | 15:43 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Open Discussion | 15:44 |
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| jschwarz | Hi | 15:44 |
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| mlavalle | hey | 15:45 |
| jschwarz | So I brought this up during yesterday's DVR meeting - there were talks in the midcycle regarding adding a new DVR+HA job to the gate | 15:45 |
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| jschwarz | it's unclear in what setting this will come to light (a new experimental job? re-using the existing multinode-dvr?) | 15:45 |
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| jschwarz | and it's unclear how many nodes each job will require, but it looks like 3 (2 dvr_snat+ha, 1 dvr) | 15:46 |
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| jschwarz | Looking for the best approach to not piss off #openstack-infra as much :) | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | lol | 15:47 |
| jschwarz | the thinking is that legacy routers should be deprecated eventually and DVR+HA is the way forward. | 15:47 |
| jschwarz | I will ask around people with gate experience during next week and we'll see how best to approach this | 15:47 |
| jschwarz | any comments/advices in this matter? :) | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | As I said in Cork, let's do it | 15:48 |
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| mlavalle | let us know if you need any help | 15:48 |
| jschwarz | will do | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for doing this and the update | 15:49 |
| jschwarz | :) | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | Any other topics? | 15:49 |
| jschwarz | Ah yes, | 15:49 |
| jschwarz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255237/ is a very appreciated effort by anilvenakata_afk | 15:50 |
| jschwarz | it's all about allowing L3+L2pop to co-exist without wanting to kill eachother, and about unblocking a lot of efforts | 15:50 |
| jschwarz | comments on that were a bit sparse lately but now it's been picking up - any comments you guys can throw on that patch are welcomed :) | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | Any other topics? | 15:51 |
| jschwarz | that's it from me, I think ;-) | 15:51 |
| steve_ruan | hi | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:52 |
| steve_ruan | I have spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282180 | 15:52 |
| steve_ruan | it has been reviewer for long time, got some +1 | 15:52 |
| steve_ruan | it need +2 :) | 15:52 |
| steve_ruan | could anyone help? | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | steve_ruan: will try to help | 15:54 |
| steve_ruan | <mlavalle> thanks | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | steve_ruan: has it been discussed in the drivers meeting? | 15:55 |
| steve_ruan | yes, it's long time ago | 15:55 |
| steve_ruan | in M release | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | ok, maybe it is an issue of following up with the core reviewers | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | Any other topics? | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | Ok team, thanks for attending and your updates | 15:57 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 15:57:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-08-25-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-08-25-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-08-25-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 16:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| etoews | #chair cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| etoews | anyone around today? | 16:01 |
| etoews | i know elmiko is out | 16:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:01 |
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| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/ | 16:02 |
| cdent | Hmmm I had an action, not listed there, to get launchpad and gerrit hooked up | 16:03 |
| etoews | and i saw you had something for that right? | 16:03 |
| cdent | that's been done, but we won't know if it is working until we create a _new_ review (the hooks only work when they are there from the start, as I recall) | 16:03 |
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| etoews | gotcha. that'll happen...someday. | 16:05 |
| etoews | #topic ongoing tracking of capabilities and discovery | 16:05 |
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| etoews | did you want to chat about that cdent ? | 16:06 |
| cdent | nothing new on that | 16:06 |
| cdent | it's just something we need to be aware of, but as we are nearing the end of the cycle it is unlikely that either nova or cinder will have time to talk to one another | 16:06 |
| cdent | What I'm hoping is that we can make sure it is consistent. That's all. | 16:07 |
| etoews | i was a bit surprised i didn't see you reply on the ml on that thread...unless i missed it. | 16:07 |
| cdent | I've been utterly swamped on resource provider/placement api stuff | 16:08 |
| cdent | there's been tons of things go by that I'd like to be a part of | 16:08 |
| etoews | shall we reply to say, please bring your common understanding to the api wg? | 16:08 |
| cdent | or at least have an opinion on | 16:08 |
| cdent | that's a good idea | 16:09 |
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| etoews | i can reply unless you prefer to | 16:09 |
| cdent | go for it | 16:09 |
| etoews | i'll do it right now | 16:09 |
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| cdent | awesome | 16:10 |
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| etoews | sent | 16:22 |
| etoews | cdent: you know that means the weekly newsletter is yours right? ;) | 16:22 |
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| cdent | that seems fair | 16:23 |
| etoews | (if it's worthwhile to send one) | 16:23 |
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| etoews | #topic open mic | 16:23 |
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| * etoews points mic at the crickets. | 16:24 | |
| cdent | they make a glorious chirping | 16:24 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:24 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:24 |
| cdent | I tuned up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322194/ I reckon it can be refrozen | 16:24 |
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| cdent | gerrit very slow for me at the moment | 16:25 |
| etoews | yep | 16:25 |
| cdent | other two probably freezable as well | 16:26 |
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| etoews | > Any resource should only have one URI. Where possible do not provide multiple ways to reference the same thing. Use HTTP redirects to resolve indirect requests to the correct canonical URI and content negotiation to request different representations. | 16:27 |
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| etoews | cdent: i take it you don't care for the version number in the url | 16:27 |
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| etoews | it seems like openstack is moving away from having version number or tenant in the url | 16:28 |
| cdent | tenant in the url is especially bad | 16:28 |
| cdent | version number is probably bad, but I can see situations where it is hard not to | 16:28 |
| cdent | but really: decide on your resources, stick with them. Need versions? version your media types | 16:29 |
| etoews | or microversion your api ;) | 16:29 |
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| cdent | no, microversions are horrible | 16:29 |
| etoews | haha | 16:29 |
| cdent | but they are what we've got | 16:29 |
| cdent | microversions enable and encourage change | 16:30 |
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| cdent | and make simple clients harder | 16:30 |
| etoews | yep | 16:30 |
| cdent | and make server code complex | 16:30 |
| cdent | but we are saddled with them so at least we can make them work | 16:30 |
| etoews | gerrit is having a bad day | 16:31 |
| cdent | it was fine about an hour ago | 16:31 |
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| etoews | froze the uri guideline | 16:32 |
| cdent | 👍 | 16:33 |
| etoews | cdent: go ahead and workflow+1 the backslash one | 16:33 |
| cdent | roger | 16:34 |
| etoews | i'll freeze version string and auto-pester | 16:34 |
| cdent | roger | 16:34 |
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| etoews | cdent: your comment on the links guideline | 16:38 |
| etoews | > We probably want another one for _why_. | 16:38 |
| etoews | do you mean another PR for the _why_? | 16:38 |
| cdent | yeah, a different patch, at some later date, for completeness | 16:38 |
| etoews | sure | 16:39 |
| etoews | i'm thinking i should really link to the links guideline from other places in the guidelines too. | 16:40 |
| cdent | yeah, that's probably true | 16:40 |
| cdent | hypermedia everywhere! | 16:40 |
| etoews | it's the HT in HTML and HTTP! | 16:41 |
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| cdent | ™ | 16:41 |
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| cdent | that covers it for reivews (I'll link them up to the newsletter when I send it) it seems | 16:44 |
| etoews | i'm just workin on links for links. | 16:44 |
| cdent | apiimpact is on hold (I do look every week but don't actually do anything) | 16:44 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:44 |
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| cdent | nothing changed since last week | 16:45 |
| cdent | I have an intention to take one each week, but see above about swampedness | 16:45 |
| cdent | I'm at least looking each week to triage anything new | 16:46 |
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| etoews | yep. links was my take. i can't commit to one a week. just one whenever.... | 16:46 |
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| cdent | shall I freeze links? | 16:48 |
| etoews | let me get one more commit in there and then yes | 16:49 |
| etoews | cdent ^ | 16:49 |
| cdent | roger | 16:49 |
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| cdent | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:55 |
| cdent | newsletter in progress ^ | 16:55 |
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| etoews | go ahead and freeze/auto-pester on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354266 | 16:57 |
| etoews | i've got to run to the next thing. | 16:57 |
| cdent | roger | 16:57 |
| etoews | mind if i end the meeting? | 16:57 |
| * cdent waves | 16:57 | |
| cdent | go for it | 16:57 |
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| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 16:58:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-08-25-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-08-25-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-08-25-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| docaedo | courtesy ping (app catalog meeting) zynzel kfox1111 kzaitsev_mb mfedosin sskripnick olaph | 17:00 |
| zynzel | o/ | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 17:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog#Proposed_Agenda_for_August_25th.2C_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | That's the agenda, but really I think today is all about glare (and that's what things will be all about likely until we transition :) ) | 17:01 |
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| redixin | hi all | 17:02 |
| docaedo | hello redixin! | 17:02 |
| redixin | as you may know, glare has disconnected from glance. we have new repository git://git.openstack.org/openstack/glare.git | 17:02 |
| redixin | I've switched http://r-ci.tk:8100/ to new glare | 17:03 |
| docaedo | oh great, thanks for that update | 17:03 |
| redixin | also I've finished UI | 17:03 |
| redixin | and now working on "old api emulation" (for horizon plugin) | 17:04 |
| redixin | http://r-ci.tk:8100/api/v1/assets | 17:04 |
| docaedo | redixin: excellent - it's looking really good | 17:04 |
| redixin | it almost done | 17:04 |
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| redixin | if you want to test admin UI, you need to be member of app-catalog-core team on launchpad | 17:05 |
| redixin | this team is open, so you may join or leave this team at any time | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:05 |
| redixin | hiyo | 17:05 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | on other meeting right now, would get back soon I guess | 17:06 |
| docaedo | redixin: cool - is that a different launchpad group than current app catalog core? | 17:06 |
| redixin | current app catalog core? O_O | 17:06 |
| redixin | I've created team 'app-catalog-core' like one week ago | 17:07 |
| docaedo | sorry, I confused it with app catalog drivers group | 17:07 |
| redixin | I dont know other teams | 17:07 |
| redixin | oh, ok | 17:07 |
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| docaedo | #link https://launchpad.net/~app-catalog-core | 17:07 |
| redixin | also few people from mirantis are helping us with packages/puppets | 17:08 |
| docaedo | yep, I've been talking to zynzel this last week and saw some of the work he's done | 17:08 |
| redixin | but I dont know much about their progress | 17:08 |
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| docaedo | one quick question before we move on to that | 17:08 |
| zynzel | not only me :) im assigned for app-catalog automation, also we have Pether Zhurba - he will deliver glare automation | 17:09 |
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| docaedo | redixin: is there a URL for an admin interface for people to approve/disable assets? | 17:09 |
| docaedo | great to have so many resources working on this :) | 17:09 |
| redixin | docaedo: admin UI is part of user UI. you will see some additional buttons if you are member of app-catalog-core team | 17:09 |
| docaedo | redixin: awesome, yep I see now after logging out and back in | 17:10 |
| docaedo | as an admin, I should be able to edit any artifact, but I don't see a button for that? | 17:11 |
| redixin | not you are not. only owner can edit own artifact | 17:11 |
| igormarnat_ | I also think so, why would you edit assets uploaded by others? | 17:12 |
| redixin | because you admin? =) | 17:12 |
| igormarnat_ | Need to have an approach similar to code review - you can comment, but it's up to patch owner to edit | 17:12 |
| docaedo | sure, but that's not the same as what we have right now | 17:13 |
| docaedo | cores can modify any asset and merge it | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | ie to fix something that has been abandoned by an owner (like someone adds something useful, but does not respond to comments to fix typos or a broken link) | 17:14 |
| redixin | It would be nice if admin can edit any asset. This sounds reasonable. I can fix it. | 17:14 |
| docaedo | from the earlier design conversations, there was an agreement that core members of app catalog would have full admin rights to edit/modify anything in the catalog | 17:14 |
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| igormarnat_ | Probably this needs to be discussed as a new upload workflow | 17:14 |
| docaedo | possibly - at a minimum core members need to be able to disable any asset | 17:15 |
| igormarnat_ | docaedo: May be it's appropriate for the first stage to allow to switch to new backend asap, but for the future IMO we need to separate development team of app catalog and their rights and team managing the content of app catalog and their rights | 17:15 |
| docaedo | also we should think about how to prevent this from being overrun by a spambot, like what has happened to the wiki | 17:16 |
| redixin | captcha? | 17:17 |
| docaedo | igormarnat_: well I am not sure the app catalog project is big enough to be split into two project groups is it? | 17:17 |
| docaedo | redixin: yep, I was just going to type captcha might be all we need for now, and we can address if it becomes a problem | 17:17 |
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| igormarnat_ | docaedo: redixin actually having thought about it again I don't understand at all - why would admin edit any asset? What for? | 17:17 |
| docaedo | I've fixed assets that people have added, when a link changes or breaks | 17:18 |
| igormarnat_ | docaedo: what if you make a mistake and break something? | 17:18 |
| docaedo | if nobody can update anything except the original asset owner, everything will eventually get staile | 17:18 |
| docaedo | stale | 17:18 |
| docaedo | igormarnat_: if I break something from a mistake, the owner or another admin can fix it | 17:19 |
| igormarnat_ | at least this should be very visible and transparent | 17:19 |
| redixin | You actually cannot fix any blobs (including links to external resources) because of glare. You need to create new asset (new version) with new blob | 17:19 |
| redixin | blobs are immutable | 17:19 |
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| docaedo | igormarnat_: I completely agree it shoudl be transparent and clear who is doing what, but I'm also saying if only the owner can ever manage his/her own assets, many assets will be stale | 17:19 |
| zynzel | maybe instead of modyfing smth silently, we should own 'abbandoned' apps | 17:19 |
| igormarnat_ | Yep, new version or something like that.Assets are versioned, operations are to be logged, right? | 17:19 |
| zynzel | change owner from 'user A' to 'openstack infra' or smth. | 17:20 |
| docaedo | much of the content has been added by people who no longer pay attention to it (like debian stuff, coreos stuff), sometimes it gets updated | 17:20 |
| redixin | Abandoned assets, or new versions of old asset are just completely new assets. Same name but other version. So there is no need to edit. Just create a copy | 17:21 |
| igormarnat_ | Again, this is probably ok but needs to be very transparent, versioned, logged | 17:21 |
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| docaedo | +1 | 17:21 |
| docaedo | I hoped we would be able to see previous versions of an asset, since everythign is versioned anyway - couldn't that be in a dropdown or something, to see previous versions of an asset? | 17:21 |
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| redixin | older versions are available via glare, but not implemented in UI | 17:22 |
| redixin | so i'll add it to my TODO list | 17:22 |
| igormarnat_ | Good | 17:23 |
| docaedo | sounds good :) to be clear I am not trying to asset editorial control over the catalog, but I do want to make sure the core of us (that's all of us who are working on this) can take care of it and keep things in shape | 17:23 |
| docaedo | redixin: one thing, for "recently added apps", do you have a way to easily pull the 15 most recently modified assets, and then randomly choosing 5? | 17:24 |
| redixin | we need a "copy" button to add new versions or continue abandoned assets | 17:24 |
| docaedo | that sounds good | 17:24 |
| redixin | docaedo: its hard to do with glare. probably searchlight can help | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | redixin: maybe you can fetch 5 latest things from each of the asset types? | 17:25 |
| docaedo | redixin: oh right, I remember that conversation :/ | 17:25 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: that sounds like an easy approach, but to be honest, we can skip that and remove it for the time being | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and then mix and shape =) it's not like we need a cryptographically strong shuffle algorithm for those ) | 17:26 |
| docaedo | I don't think it's essential, and I would say that's a nice to have, but not a show stopper | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | true, definitelly not a show stopper | 17:26 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: yep -- if it's not too much work, great, but at least for me, I will not cry if that gets put on hold until searchlight is part of the picture | 17:26 |
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| * redixin is removing "admin can edit any asset" and adding "copy button for UI" in TODO | 17:29 | |
| docaedo | so zynzel - want to talk about packages and stuff? | 17:29 |
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| zynzel | yep, sure | 17:30 |
| zynzel | so guys, im working on automation for app-catalog | 17:30 |
| redixin | we have a package contrib/glare in app-catalog | 17:30 |
| igormarnat_ | packaging and automation of deployment is the last thing preventing us from switching to new backend, right? | 17:30 |
| zynzel | i prepared short etherpad, with things which should (imho) be fixed | 17:30 |
| zynzel | before we can create good quality automation | 17:30 |
| zynzel | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-catalog_automation | 17:30 |
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| zynzel | here is change [wip] for that | 17:31 |
| zynzel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359029/ | 17:31 |
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| zynzel | so, long story short, we need packages for app-catalog, and we need cli wrapper over manage.py and all other tasks which should be executed after app-catalog deployment | 17:31 |
| docaedo | I mostly agree, though the package does not have to be perfect for the transition - i.e. if there is a manual step infra has to perform on the box, that's OK | 17:33 |
| docaedo | just talking about the things that happen only one time - like importing assets.yaml into glare | 17:34 |
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| zynzel | docaedo: and what happend when you break glare? | 17:35 |
| redixin | it can be imported manually | 17:35 |
| zynzel | we will need to reinstall glare from scratch+import assets one more time | 17:35 |
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| zynzel | so this can be easly added to this cli wrapper :) | 17:35 |
| redixin | assets.yaml will be outdated just after switch to glare | 17:35 |
| zynzel | redixin: everything can be done manually... | 17:35 |
| zynzel | but we want to have automation | 17:35 |
| docaedo | also remember the puppet manifest is run every 15 minutes, so have to make sure it's smart enough to only do the import when we want | 17:36 |
| zynzel | docaedo: yep sure, this is why we need packages and other 'good puppet stuff' | 17:36 |
| docaedo | that's the part that I think will be difficult, distinguishing between initial deployment, fix deployment, and regular run | 17:36 |
| zynzel | manifests should be indepotent | 17:36 |
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| zynzel | docaedo: we have some experience with creating manifests which can be run multiple times without any issue | 17:37 |
| redixin | guys, we can run import only once. after this any changes will not be saved in assets.yaml | 17:37 |
| zynzel | imho this should be doable for app-catalog | 17:37 |
| redixin | so assets.yaml will be outdated immediately | 17:37 |
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| zynzel | redixin: so maybe glare should allow to generate assets.yaml | 17:37 |
| docaedo | yep, once we implement glare, assets.yaml (after import) becomes meaningless | 17:38 |
| zynzel | from current data? | 17:38 |
| zynzel | for some kind of backup? | 17:38 |
| zynzel | (im not glare guy, i dont know how difficult this can be) | 17:38 |
| redixin | we can just backup database (postgres?) | 17:39 |
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| docaedo | database will be hosted, it won't live on this machine (will be delivered via trove) | 17:39 |
| redixin | currently glare have not any export/import or backup/restore things | 17:39 |
| redixin | also assets.yaml may be not quite compatible with glare | 17:40 |
| zynzel | understood, but do you think that glare should allow to export/import content via api? | 17:40 |
| igormarnat_ | It's an overkill to generate assets.yaml for backup purposes or any other purposes (provided that assets.yaml is current app catalog backend which I'm not sure in) | 17:40 |
| redixin | We will discuss this with glare team tomorrow | 17:40 |
| docaedo | also in looking at 359029, will need config file templates and a way to handle that - for instance access to mysql and swift will require secrets, those will be stored in heira by infra team (similar to how SSL cert is handled now) | 17:41 |
| zynzel | it easier for anybody to use API calls, than dumping/importing database data :) | 17:41 |
| zynzel | with encoding and stuff :) | 17:41 |
| zynzel | docaedo: we can pass all credentials to app_site class as parameters | 17:41 |
| redixin | btw binary data is not stored in database | 17:41 |
| zynzel | and read them from hiera from examples/instal.pp | 17:41 |
| docaedo | zynzel: cool just making sure you had that in mind | 17:42 |
| zynzel | so anybody have anything against packages+appcatalog-manage? | 17:44 |
| redixin | btw this should be deb packages? or just pypi? | 17:45 |
| zynzel | redixin: any package, i can use pip or deb | 17:45 |
| docaedo | I don't have anything against package plus manage | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well, I have a faint objection against pypi =) | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but am 100% for deb | 17:45 |
| docaedo | and I like pypi more than debs :P | 17:46 |
| * redixin added "app-catalog manage" in TODO | 17:46 | |
| docaedo | thing is pypi is more transparent | 17:46 |
| docaedo | deb packaging is not at all easy to see the background, where it came from, etc. | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: but why don't we have up to date nova on pypi? =) | 17:46 |
| docaedo | also pypi is easier to pin to a version than a deb pulled from an external repo | 17:46 |
| docaedo | haha don't try to drag nova into this conversation! | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | (spoiler: I don't know the answer) | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yeah, like I said my objection is rather faint | 17:47 |
| docaedo | actually to be fair | 17:47 |
| docaedo | the best thing for us to do would be to use the packaging tooling offered by infra | 17:48 |
| redixin | is it possible to publish two packages from one repository via openstack/infra? | 17:48 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I just gotta ping infra — why none of the services like glance/nova has pypi jobs/packages | 17:48 |
| docaedo | but I don't fully understand how to use it so I can't advocate too strongly | 17:48 |
| zynzel | redixin: dunno, you are thinnking about contrib/glare? | 17:48 |
| redixin | yep | 17:48 |
| zynzel | redixin: if not, we can move contrib/glare to openstack-catalog/plugins/glare | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | there's got to be some explanation, rationale. just gotta ping the right folks to dig that up | 17:49 |
| zynzel | and deliver this inside single package | 17:49 |
| zynzel | on glare node simply, we will not configure app-catalog | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | redixin: you can, but not with current infra thing I suppose | 17:49 |
| zynzel | only install this plugin for glare | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | also tags | 17:49 |
| redixin | sounds good (openstack_catalog.plugins.glare) | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well, you need a setup.cfg file for a package (if we're talking about pypi, deb/rpm are a completely different story) | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and if you follow post-versioning strategy of pbr — they would share version of the latest tag | 17:51 |
| kzaitsev_mb | anyway — wasn't there a plan to get a separate repo for glare-plugins? | 17:51 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | we've hit that thing in murano with murano-glare-plugin. it's usually very hard to explain to packaging folks why they have tp build 2 packages from 1 repo. much cheaper to convince infra to make a new repo =) | 17:53 |
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| redixin | I like openstack-catalog/plugins/glare more | 17:53 |
| redixin | pip install openstack_catalog but use only openstack_catalog.plugins.glare.(middlewares|artifacts|etc) | 17:54 |
| zynzel | same as in the rest of openstack python-nova|neutron|glance | 17:54 |
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| docaedo | oh we are almost out of time (just looked at the clock) | 17:56 |
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| * redixin added "merge contrib/glare into oenstack_catalog" in TODO | 17:57 | |
| docaedo | that makes sense to me .. | 17:58 |
| docaedo | ok any other urgent topics before we end? | 17:59 |
| redixin | btw how about assign glare-work blueprint to me? %) | 17:59 |
| docaedo | redixin: sure, I can do that | 17:59 |
| redixin | thanks | 17:59 |
| docaedo | np | 17:59 |
| docaedo | and we're out of time - thanks folks! | 18:00 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| redixin | thanks! | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 18:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-08-25-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-08-25-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-08-25-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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