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| SridarK_ | Hi FWaaS folks | 04:00 |
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| yushiro | Hi! | 04:00 |
| chandanc_ | Hello | 04:00 |
| SarathMekala | Hi | 04:00 |
| SridarK_ | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 04:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SridarK_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:00 | |
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| njohnston | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 04:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 04:00 |
| openstack | njohnston: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 04:00 |
| njohnston | oops just missed it | 04:00 |
| SridarK_ | #chair xgerman njohnston | 04:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK_ njohnston xgerman | 04:00 |
| xgerman | Sridark_ beat you to it | 04:01 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: it seems to be ok | 04:01 |
| njohnston | yep! | 04:01 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:01 |
| SridarK_ | sorry is there a problem ? | 04:01 |
| xgerman | Nope | 04:01 |
| SridarK_ | ok :-) | 04:02 |
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| SridarK_ | lets get started | 04:02 |
| hoangcx | Hi | 04:02 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: welcome back from PTO | 04:02 |
| SridarK_ | we can do the usual run thru of the usual things | 04:02 |
| SridarK_ | #topic fwaas v2 | 04:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "fwaas v2 (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:03 | |
| njohnston | Thanks! I'm on PTo the rest of the week as well, but back just long enough to be here with you all. | 04:03 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: oh ok | 04:03 |
| SridarK_ | did not realize | 04:03 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: thx | 04:03 |
| xgerman | Thanks for your dedication | 04:03 |
| SridarK_ | dont see shweta online | 04:04 |
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| SridarK_ | yushiro: i think u had some comments on the ext patch | 04:04 |
| SridarK_ | she was going to push up a version to address ur comments | 04:04 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, yeah. Today, shweta has updated it. | 04:04 |
| SridarK_ | ok great | 04:05 |
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| SridarK_ | i was thinking to see if we can remove the resources we are not targetting immediately | 04:05 |
| SridarK_ | address group for one as an example | 04:05 |
| SridarK_ | if we can get a set of patches merged, with the basic set of resources | 04:06 |
| SridarK_ | any thoughts from the team ? | 04:06 |
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| yushiro | SridarK_, I agree with you. we should shape our target for newton. | 04:06 |
| njohnston | I completely agree | 04:07 |
| njohnston | we need to have a laser focus on delivery | 04:07 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 04:07 |
| SridarK_ | great i think we are on the same page then, these resources will need methods, UTs etc - seems like we can spend more time to get the basic set of resources solid | 04:08 |
| SridarK_ | ok then we can refactor accordingly | 04:08 |
| njohnston | yep | 04:08 |
| SridarK_ | it seems that firewall_rules, firewall_policy & firewall_group can be the first target | 04:08 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, OK. I understood. | 04:09 |
| SridarK_ | ok thx for the feedback | 04:09 |
| SridarK_ | next on the db - plugin | 04:09 |
| SridarK_ | the integration has been going well - i have the basic create workflow working - just need to tweak the port association | 04:09 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: i will push a few more updates to the db patch tomorrow | 04:10 |
| njohnston | Sounds good. Looks like the tests are all failing on the error: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'core_opts' | 04:10 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: will address ur comments | 04:10 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: yes will fix that | 04:11 |
| njohnston | thx | 04:11 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, OK. | 04:11 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: thx for the workflow documentation | 04:11 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, You're welcome. | 04:11 |
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| SridarK_ | i certainly used curl to trigger things where i could not hack the CLI :-) | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | once i have the db and plugin patch updated, will reach out to mfranc213: for integration with agent patch | 04:12 |
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| SridarK_ | with that and with significant clean up - we can target to push out the ext, db, plugin and agent (+driver modifications) out | 04:14 |
| njohnston | excellent | 04:14 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, great :) | 04:14 |
| SridarK_ | this should give us a working L3 model with the old agent rpc | 04:14 |
| xgerman | Nice! | 04:14 |
| SridarK_ | we can continue to strive for mid next week | 04:14 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: i will try to push as much as i can on to the db patch until u are back | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | from PTO | 04:15 |
| njohnston | Thanks! I will be back Monday... let me know what I can do to help | 04:15 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, I'll comment DB & migration patch later. | 04:16 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: ok we will sync - i will need to be out on Thu, Fri also - but let me see how much i can get in and we can sync up on mon | 04:16 |
| njohnston | sounds good | 04:16 |
| SridarK_ | ok lets move to the agent side of things | 04:17 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: pls go ahead - i think mfranc213: is not on and padkrish is also out | 04:17 |
| SridarK_ | based on previous discussions, we will focus on mfranc213:'s patch for the agent | 04:18 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Yes. 2 weeks ago, I've commented mfranc213's patch and replied some comments last week. | 04:18 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: great thx | 04:18 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Currently, I'm waiting patch update for mfranc213. | 04:18 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: ok i will likely sync with her or early on Thu after i wrap up things on db & plugin | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | *tomorrow or early on Thu | 04:19 |
| njohnston | I just pinged her too, so she'll see it in the morning | 04:19 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Great. Thanks. | 04:19 |
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| SridarK_ | yushiro: did u have some thing else to discuss | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | on this topic | 04:20 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, OK. I have just 1 notification. | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | i know padkrish and u have also been discussing the versioned objects | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: ok | 04:20 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Currently, I'm trying to deploy devstack environment with L2-agent and versioned objects in order to test. | 04:21 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: ok thx for looking into this | 04:22 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Maybe I'll finish it within Friday. | 04:22 |
| SridarK_ | ok | 04:22 |
| yushiro | That's all for me :) | 04:22 |
| SridarK_ | lets move to the driver | 04:23 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc_: SarathMekala: thx for the email and updated doc and patch | 04:23 |
| chandanc_ | Thanks Sridar | 04:23 |
| SridarK_ | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yGsGwVNZuptPCzMMgBH4AHVkdoeWvQxsT5Wql7-jtHI/edit?usp=sharing | 04:24 |
| chandanc_ | We will need your feedback and support to get the patch reviewed by neutron developers | 04:24 |
| SridarK_ | doc from chandanc_ & SarathMekala | 04:24 |
| SridarK_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348177/ | 04:24 |
| SridarK_ | neutron patch | 04:24 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc_: will do - just give me a day, i pinged mickeys earlier today to remind him as well | 04:25 |
| SridarK_ | if he has not done so already | 04:25 |
| chandanc_ | I saw Armando changed the bug report for the patch and told to use the blueprint instead | 04:25 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc_: yes i think u can also update the commit msg | 04:26 |
| chandanc_ | ya the next amend with change the commit msg too | 04:27 |
| yushiro | chandanc_, OK, good. | 04:27 |
| SridarK_ | we can sync on the irc or over email / call tomorrow or the day after | 04:27 |
| SridarK_ | request all to take a look as well | 04:27 |
| chandanc_ | ok sure | 04:27 |
| SarathMekala | sure | 04:27 |
| SridarK_ | any other thing u guys would like to bring up ? | 04:28 |
| SarathMekala | we are fixing the UT test failures | 04:28 |
| chandanc_ | nothing at this stage, we will start with the fwaas driver next | 04:28 |
| SarathMekala | and will be working on the Firewall dirver this week | 04:28 |
| SridarK_ | ok perfect, thanks | 04:29 |
| SridarK_ | #topic L3 Agent ext | 04:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L3 Agent ext (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:29 | |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: over to u - not sure if u are caught up having been on PTO | 04:29 |
| njohnston | Hi! So I haven't been able to do much, but I was able to answer the notes carl_baldwin made on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339246/ | 04:29 |
| SridarK_ | ok and i think mfranc213 is on it too | 04:30 |
| njohnston | Hopefully that is now ready to go; I'll have to read the minutes of the L3 meeting to see if they mention it there | 04:30 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: ok | 04:30 |
| njohnston | mfranc213 represented us on the L3 meeting last week, perhaps she can do the same again | 04:30 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: sounds good | 04:31 |
| njohnston | That's it for me | 04:31 |
| SridarK_ | ok perfect | 04:31 |
| xgerman | Yep | 04:31 |
| SridarK_ | #topic CLI | 04:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CLI (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:32 | |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: will u be able to dig into this more ? | 04:32 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Sorry, currently I can't. | 04:33 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: ok | 04:33 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, But I will. | 04:33 |
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| SridarK_ | yushiro: oh ok | 04:33 |
| xgerman | Thx | 04:34 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: thx | 04:34 |
| yushiro | I'd like to sync with njohnston about CLI. | 04:34 |
| njohnston | What can I tell you about the CLI? | 04:34 |
| yushiro | In my understanding, you are trying to put the patch into OSC and python-neutronclient. | 04:35 |
| njohnston | Actually, I believe the CLI just needs to be implkemented in python-neutronclient | 04:36 |
| njohnston | because OSC is incorporating python-neutronclient as a plugin | 04:36 |
| njohnston | that us my theoretical understanding, but I still am not quite sure how it works. The best person to talk to about it is probably rtheis. | 04:36 |
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| yushiro | njohnston, OK. I understand. Thank you. | 04:38 |
| SridarK_ | thx yushiro: njohnston:, as mentioned by njohnston: the deadline for this is a week earlier than neutron-fwaas | 04:39 |
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| xgerman | :-( | 04:39 |
| SridarK_ | so once we have a plugin in place to field the CRUD - we should be able to get this in soon after and b4 the deadline | 04:39 |
| SridarK_ | xgerman: +1 yes sigh | 04:40 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: hopefully this will not be too much once we get the basic stuff in place - we can all jump on this to help | 04:40 |
| SridarK_ | thats all i had, any thing else to discuss on this ? | 04:41 |
| njohnston | nope | 04:42 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, OK. Thanks. | 04:42 |
| SridarK_ | #topic Open Discussion | 04:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:42 | |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: u had a question on project_id vs tenant_id - sorry i meant to respond back and forgot | 04:43 |
| SridarK_ | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-fwaas/commit/c3e491cae388713bb175d803de6a216a8816b816 | 04:43 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Yes, let me explain about that. | 04:44 |
| SridarK_ | i think more work is in progress in neutron and this sort of handles it as a mapping in my understanding | 04:44 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Neutron has already done about keystone v3. (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335786/20) | 04:44 |
| yushiro | If this patch will be merged, all of neutron resources can use 'project_id' instead of 'tenant_id'. | 04:45 |
| njohnston | yes indeed | 04:45 |
| SridarK_ | +1 | 04:45 |
| yushiro | So, I understand we don't need to do for 'project_id'. I'm sorry for confusing... | 04:46 |
| xgerman | Yep, project_id is the future | 04:46 |
| njohnston | plus this already merged for fwaas: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342326/ | 04:46 |
| yushiro | xgerman, njohnston I see. Thank you. | 04:47 |
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| SridarK_ | yushiro: ok hope ur question is answered | 04:48 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Yes, thanks. | 04:48 |
| yushiro | All, let me confirm an attribute named 'admin status' for FirewallRule. | 04:48 |
| SridarK_ | we have called out project_id in our resource definitions | 04:48 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: yes this needs more thought with the Rule being shared across policies - i am not sure we really need this | 04:49 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: we can have an admin status for the firewall group | 04:49 |
| xgerman | Yep, that makes more sense | 04:49 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, xgerman OK. So, we should insert 'admin status' into firewall group | 04:50 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: yes i just did so in my testing | 04:50 |
| SridarK_ | i think that will be useful | 04:51 |
| yushiro | Ok. I'll review it for migration patch. | 04:51 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: ok thx | 04:51 |
| SridarK_ | along those lines, we also had a notion of PENDING states when the plugin was messaging with the agent | 04:51 |
| SridarK_ | i think once we have versioned objects - we may not need this at all | 04:52 |
| SridarK_ | xgerman: i will sync with u / yushiro / padkrish to get some clarfications on this | 04:52 |
| xgerman | Ok, sounds good. E-mail likely best | 04:53 |
| SridarK_ | xgerman: ok will do | 04:53 |
| SridarK_ | xgerman: thx | 04:53 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, Sounds great! I sometimes confuse b/w fwaas v2.0 spec and current imprementation. | 04:53 |
| yushiro | It'll be helpful for me. | 04:54 |
| xgerman | Don't we all :-) | 04:54 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: no worries at all - thanks for asking the questions - it helps to think thru this again | 04:54 |
| SridarK_ | other things folks would like to discuss ? | 04:55 |
| yushiro | Sorry SridarK_ , last question. In firewall_group, we should have 'admin_status' or 'status'? | 04:55 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: one model is we have both | 04:55 |
| xgerman | Status is the status of the system, admin_status is what the admin wants | 04:56 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, OK, I understand! | 04:56 |
| SridarK_ | admin_status is more like administrative state - an admin could .. | 04:56 |
| yushiro | xgerman, Thanks for your information :) | 04:56 |
| SridarK_ | ok i think u guys have answered it :-) | 04:56 |
| yushiro | Yes, perfect. | 04:57 |
| SridarK_ | ok if nothing else - we can wrap things up | 04:57 |
| xgerman | Yeah, t-2 | 04:58 |
| SridarK_ | ok then - thanks all for attending and the discussion | 04:58 |
| xgerman | Thx | 04:58 |
| njohnston | thanks all | 04:58 |
| SridarK_ | Bye all | 04:58 |
| SarathMekala | thanks o/ | 04:58 |
| SridarK_ | #endmeeting | 04:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 04:58:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-08-03-04.00.html | 04:58 |
| chandanc_ | thanks | 04:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-08-03-04.00.txt | 04:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-08-03-04.00.log.html | 04:59 |
| xgerman | O/ | 04:59 |
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| anil_rao | #startmeeting taas | 05:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 05:30:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anil_rao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:30 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 05:30 |
| soichi | hi | 05:30 |
| yamamoto_ | hi | 05:30 |
| anil_rao | got kaz's note that he won't be here today. | 05:30 |
| soichi | yes | 05:31 |
| anil_rao | I have an update on the 'can't capture packet if two VMs on the same host' bug | 05:31 |
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| anil_rao | It turns out that the problem stems from the fact that VLAN 1, which is the first VLAN id used for a virtual network on a host, is the native vlan for OVS. | 05:34 |
| anil_rao | for the native VLAN, OVS doesn't tag the packets as long as it is inside the bridge (br-int) and with normal processing. | 05:35 |
| anil_rao | When it exits br-int to br-tun (via the int-tun patch port) it gets properly tagged | 05:36 |
| anil_rao | This is the reason our TaaS flow in br-int isn't able to catch (mirror) packets as described in the bug. | 05:36 |
| anil_rao | I have verified that this problem isn't there for other subnets, because they have VLAN ids > 1. | 05:37 |
| anil_rao | I am working on a fix and will submit a patch for review shortly. | 05:37 |
| soichi | thank you, i didn't know the behavior | 05:37 |
| anil_rao | Yes, it took me by surprise too. I guess I had always been testing using a subnet I would create (which was different from the DevStack default subnet for demo. | 05:38 |
| anil_rao | The first subnet gets VLAN id == 1. | 05:38 |
| anil_rao | One way to fix the problem, which wouldn't need any code change in TaaS is to have the Neutron ML2 agent not use vlan == 1 at all. However, I am not sure if getting such a change in will be easy. | 05:40 |
| anil_rao | So I have a minor code change to the TaaS driver which should get the job done. | 05:40 |
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| soichi | i see | 05:41 |
| anil_rao | I will complete the fix tomorrow and then test it out to ensure that all is fine before submitting a patch. | 05:42 |
| soichi | okay, we will also test after the patch is submitted | 05:44 |
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| anil_rao | Thanks Soichi. | 05:44 |
| anil_rao | There is also this issue other issue as I had mentioned in the email | 05:44 |
| anil_rao | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tap-as-a-service/+bug/1599351 | 05:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599351 in tap-as-a-service "taas agent doesn't work with of_interface=native" [Undecided,New] | 05:45 |
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| anil_rao | I can take a stab at that after submitting the patch for the br-int / vlan == 1 problem. | 05:46 |
| soichi | thank you | 05:47 |
| soichi | yamamoto_ mentioned a workaround, but i think we need to fix it | 05:48 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto_: Thanks for the workaround. Yes, we can use that until I get the proper native support done. | 05:49 |
| anil_rao | There is another problem that is also very annoying. | 05:49 |
| soichi | what's that? | 05:50 |
| anil_rao | I find that sometimes the TaaS flows are not properly installed in br-tun. I believe it is because the ml2 driver cleans up stuff after a reset. | 05:50 |
| yamamoto_ | anil_rao: i guess it's a matter of specifying an openflow version. native vs ofctl flows are not that different. | 05:51 |
| yamamoto_ | (about bug 1599351) | 05:51 |
| openstack | bug 1599351 in tap-as-a-service "taas agent doesn't work with of_interface=native" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599351 | 05:51 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto_: Yes. | 05:51 |
| soichi | it seems problem in "version negotiation" | 05:53 |
| anil_rao | For my debugging, I find that I need to add "-O OpenFlow13" when using ovs-ofctl in br-int and br-tun. | 05:54 |
| yamamoto_ | anil_rao: yes. or configure switch to accept 1.0 as well | 05:54 |
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| anil_rao | br-tap works correctly with the current code. Looks like the version is per-bridge. | 05:56 |
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| anil_rao | Any other topics? | 05:59 |
| soichi | yamamoto_: thank you for adding TaaS related URL | 05:59 |
| soichi | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344716/ | 05:59 |
| soichi | I missed the presentation at Austin. | 05:59 |
| yamamoto_ | soichi: i haven't noticed it either | 06:00 |
| anil_rao | We did a demo with snort too. :-) | 06:02 |
| soichi | yes | 06:02 |
| reedip | Hi | 06:04 |
| soichi | reedip: hi | 06:04 |
| anil_rao | Hi Reedip | 06:05 |
| soichi | it's very good news for us that TaaS users are increasing. | 06:06 |
| anil_rao | +1 | 06:06 |
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| soichi | i found a presentation "Traffic Visibility with Virtual TAP and physical Devices" was submitted for Barcelona Summit. | 06:08 |
| soichi | It may be a competitor of TaaS. | 06:09 |
| anil_rao | With TaaS we are essentially trying to standardize the API and have multiple backend implementations to support different use cases and platforms. So I don't see why one would try and build a separate solution unless they think our API is not good enough. | 06:11 |
| anil_rao | It would be interesting nonetheless to learn more about their approach. | 06:12 |
| soichi | yes, i think so | 06:12 |
| soichi | he says, "these tools have some limitation (e.g, performance, deployment restriction)" | 06:13 |
| soichi | i guess it is very important to show the performance charasteristics of TaaS in the Barcelona Summit | 06:14 |
| anil_rao | Agree. | 06:15 |
| anil_rao | Let me get these 2 bugs addressed and then I'll get busy with the performance measurements. | 06:16 |
| soichi | okay, thank you | 06:16 |
| anil_rao | Any other topics? | 06:18 |
| soichi | nothing for me | 06:19 |
| yamamoto_ | nothing | 06:19 |
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| anil_rao | I guess we can end early then. | 06:19 |
| soichi | yes | 06:19 |
| anil_rao | #endmeeting | 06:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 06:20:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-08-03-05.30.html | 06:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-08-03-05.30.txt | 06:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-08-03-05.30.log.html | 06:20 |
| anil_rao | Bye | 06:20 |
| soichi | bye | 06:20 |
| yamamoto_ | bye | 06:20 |
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| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 12:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 12:59:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 12:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 12:59 |
| claudiub | hello. :) | 12:59 |
| sagar_nikam | hello | 13:00 |
| atuvenie_ | hey all | 13:00 |
| atuvenie_ | \o | 13:00 |
| claudiub | ok, let's start. | 13:01 |
| claudiub | #topic os-brick patch status | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "os-brick patch status (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:01 | |
| claudiub | ok, so starting with some good news. :) | 13:01 |
| claudiub | the microsoft osbrick CI is fully up and running, for iscsi, smb, and fibre channel. | 13:01 |
| sagar_nikam | nice.... | 13:01 |
| claudiub | and the 2 remaining patches on os-brick each have a +2 | 13:01 |
| claudiub | #link os-brick FC patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323780/ | 13:02 |
| claudiub | #link os-brick SMB patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323781/ | 13:02 |
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| claudiub | so, all that's left is to ping hemna to review them. already did, but he's not yet online. | 13:03 |
| claudiub | questions? | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | no... just waiting for these patches to be merged along with nova | 13:03 |
| abalutoiu | hello | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | we want to use it | 13:04 |
| itoader | hi | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | in our environment | 13:04 |
| claudiub | cool, moving on. | 13:04 |
| claudiub | #topic designate patch status | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "designate patch status (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:04 | |
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| claudiub | abalutoiu: has been replying to comments on it. | 13:04 |
| claudiub | abalutoiu: he's been asked to upload some tempest test results. currently in progress. | 13:05 |
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| claudiub | other than that, no new news. | 13:05 |
| claudiub | #topic nova ovs-vif plug driver | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nova ovs-vif plug driver (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:06 | |
| claudiub | this is the only thing that's not frozen on nova at the moment and it can still merge in newton | 13:06 |
| claudiub | so, we'll have to give it some special attention. :) | 13:07 |
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| sonu | yes. I agree. we need OVS in Newton | 13:07 |
| claudiub | waiting for this patch to be rebased / merged, as we'll depend on it. | 13:07 |
| claudiub | #link os-vif in nova: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269672/ | 13:07 |
| claudiub | until then, we have to merge this in os-vif: | 13:08 |
| claudiub | #link os-vif OVSPlugin Windows support: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344433/ | 13:08 |
| claudiub | still have to run some more tests for it though. | 13:09 |
| claudiub | questions? | 13:09 |
| claudiub | the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269672/ previously had some blockers in oslo.privsep / oslo.rootwrap. they were fixed and merged. still has some comments to address though. | 13:10 |
| claudiub | ok, moving on. | 13:11 |
| claudiub | #topic hyper-v cluster | 13:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "hyper-v cluster (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:11 | |
| claudiub | #link Hyper-V Cluster spec for Ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269672/ | 13:11 |
| claudiub | so, I had to repropose the spec for Ocata. | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | checking | 13:12 |
| abalutoiu | claudiub: wrong link | 13:12 |
| claudiub | #undo | 13:12 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x7f5bbffecd50> | 13:12 |
| claudiub | #link Hyper-V Cluster spec for Ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350559/ | 13:12 |
| claudiub | abalutoiu: thanks. :) | 13:12 |
| claudiub | so, we'll have to bring it to a state in which the nova core "feels happy" with it. :) | 13:13 |
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| claudiub | they'll most probably complain about things, so any help in getting it approved again would be greatly appreciated. :) | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: the spec does not address the concern expressed last time | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | for the failover handled through nova | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | we discussed multiple options in a previous IRC | 13:15 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: there is the "Failover migrations" section in there. | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam | most options we discussed had lot of issues | 13:15 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: ok checking | 13:15 |
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| sagar_nikam | option2- it means VMs can be down | 13:17 |
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| sagar_nikam | with nova triggering it... failover is actually not failover | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | since the host could have gone down by the time failover is triggered | 13:17 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:18 |
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| sagar_nikam | do we have any other options | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | can we make it a conf entry | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | where in the cloud-admin can decide | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | if auto-failover is required or nova triggered failover | 13:20 |
| claudiub | the thing is, they have to agree on this. :) | 13:20 |
| claudiub | i'm ok with your suggestion, but I'm not the one approving the spec. :) | 13:20 |
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| sagar_nikam | conf entry is not a good option ? | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | agree... we need to check with nova cores | 13:21 |
| sagar_nikam | one question | 13:21 |
| sagar_nikam | when does mscluster send the failover event | 13:21 |
| sagar_nikam | does it send when the host is about to go down or when it is already down | 13:21 |
| sonu | IMO with clustering nova live migrate option should not be used | 13:22 |
| claudiub | soo, the events are caught when something in the cluster changes (states, objects, hosts, etc.) | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | sonu: agree... nova live-migrate and cluster failover dont go well with each other | 13:23 |
| claudiub | sonu: what do you mean? | 13:23 |
| claudiub | they are not the same thing | 13:23 |
| claudiub | you can still live-migrate your instances in a cluster. | 13:24 |
| sonu | deprecate the nova live migrate option when cluster driver is in use | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: it is like this... we have 4 hosts ... 2 standalone and 2 in cluster | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam | now we can do nova live-migrate between standalone hosts | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam | we cant do between a standalone host and a cluster host | 13:24 |
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| sagar_nikam | for example the VMs VHDs files will be in CSV for cluster | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | but for standalone on the filesystem | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | they dont go well | 13:25 |
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| claudiub | i see no reason why it wouldn't work. the files will be copied to the csv and it will be fine. if this really was a problem, then live-migration wouldn't have worked at all with standalone compute nodes, since they use their own storage. | 13:26 |
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| claudiub | and yet, the storage moves to the destination node on live-migration. | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | so in case of migrate from cluster to standalone | 13:28 |
| claudiub | plus, live-migration can be useful to make unclustered instances clustered and vice-versa | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | they will get copied from CSV to filesystem | 13:28 |
| claudiub | yea | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | i thought for live migration to work | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | we need the instance path to be same on all computes | 13:28 |
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| sagar_nikam | is that correct ? instance path same on all computes | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | ? | 13:29 |
| claudiub | the instance path will have to be the same for the clustered compute nodes | 13:30 |
| claudiub | or at least, point to the same share | 13:30 |
| sagar_nikam | i think for shared nothing live migration to work, the instance path needs to be same, | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | will check and confirm | 13:31 |
| claudiub | ok. :) | 13:31 |
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| claudiub | ok, anything else? | 13:32 |
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| sonu | I see challenges when I consider OVS based neutron with clustering | 13:32 |
| sagar_nikam | not much as of now for this topic | 13:32 |
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| claudiub | sonu: why? | 13:32 |
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| claudiub | as far as I know, atuvenie_ tested the hyper-v cluster driver with ovs | 13:33 |
| sonu | security group rules would remain in WMI/MI? | 13:33 |
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| sonu | we are considering using WMI firewall driver, then fine | 13:33 |
| sonu | I was hopeful to get conntrack with 2.6 and use community's OVS firewall | 13:34 |
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| atuvenie_ | sonu: yes, tested cluster with ovs, when a failover is detected the port will be disconnected from the source node ( if it's still up) and added in the bridge at the destination node | 13:34 |
| atuvenie_ | sonu: sec groups remain with WMI | 13:35 |
| sonu | atuvenie_: Thank you. | 13:35 |
| claudiub | ok, moving on | 13:35 |
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| claudiub | #topic Barcelona OpenStack Summit presentations | 13:36 |
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| claudiub | this is just a reminder: pls vote the Windows related presentations for the next summit. :) | 13:36 |
| claudiub | I would add the links here, but they don't work, they'll just redirect to the 1st presentation | 13:37 |
| sagar_nikam | sure | 13:37 |
| claudiub | just search for: Sonu, Alessandro, Vladu, Samfira, Ciuhandu | 13:37 |
| claudiub | note: last week I forgot Ciuhandu. :) | 13:37 |
| claudiub | should be 8 presentations. :) | 13:38 |
| claudiub | moving on. | 13:38 |
| claudiub | #topic open discussion | 13:38 |
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| claudiub | anything to talk about here? | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | we have started using Mitaka recently | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | and everything is working fine | 13:40 |
| claudiub | nice. :) | 13:40 |
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| sagar_nikam | including CHAP support | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | we are getting it for first time for hyperv | 13:40 |
| claudiub | you mean for iscsi? | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | yes | 13:40 |
| claudiub | i think we introduced support for it in Kilo | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | liberty and earlier releases CHAP did not work well with 3par | 13:40 |
| claudiub | oh, i see. | 13:41 |
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| sagar_nikam | it worked only with windows storage server | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | now we have tested with 3par and VSA | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | both work well | 13:41 |
| claudiub | sounds great. :) | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | VSA is another storage solution from HPE | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: how is monasca and freezer going ? | 13:42 |
| claudiub | for freezer lpetrut had to post-pone it, as he had to prioritize os-brick ci. | 13:42 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:42 |
| claudiub | he's been working on the os-win part though. | 13:43 |
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| claudiub | didn't submit the code yet. | 13:43 |
| claudiub | as for monasca, I didn't get any reviews lately. | 13:43 |
| claudiub | will have to ping Roland | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | can you provide the list of patches | 13:43 |
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| sagar_nikam | i will try to get it reviewed as well | 13:44 |
| claudiub | #link monasca windows support patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/monasca-agent+branch:master+topic:bp/add-windows-support | 13:44 |
| claudiub | note, some of them are in merge conflict, because the libvirt checker changes often. | 13:44 |
| claudiub | so, i always have to rebase that. | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:45 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: also, I've been thinking if you folks can test something, if you have some available resources for this | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | is it correctly rebased now ? | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | sure... i think we should be able to test it soon | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | does it work on mitaka ? | 13:45 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: not at the moment, will have it done by tomorrow, because its merge conflicts are ugly. | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | or we need newton ? | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: let me know once the patches are rebased | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | i will try to reach to roland and get it reviewed | 13:46 |
| claudiub | I've heard at the midcycle that it *might* be possible to switch from networking-hyperv ports to neutron-ovs ports via live-migration | 13:46 |
| sonu | I have to log-off now. Thank you for all the time. Appreciated. | 13:46 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: can you test this? | 13:46 |
| sonu | I have to log-off now. Thank you for all the time. Appreciated. | 13:47 |
| claudiub | sonu: thanks for joining. :) | 13:47 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: cool, thanks. :) | 13:47 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: test which one ? monasca or neutron ? | 13:47 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: the neutron thingy. | 13:47 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: ok .. will check with sonu: his team works on neutron | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | i think they should be able to pick and check it | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | patch is important | 13:48 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: basically, you would have a hyper-v host A with networking-hyperv and host B with neutron-ovs. if you migrate / live-migrate from A to B, you should have an ovs port then. | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | will ask sonu: tomorrow | 13:48 |
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| claudiub | but then again, they said "might" | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | my question on monasca - will it work on mitaka ? | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | sure will check with them | 13:49 |
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| claudiub | the monasca work will be on newton, as we're proposing the code to newton. we can't backport a blueprint. | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | they do all network related work for hyperv | 13:49 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: cool, thanks. :) | 13:49 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: also, I was thinking about some rally scenarios. | 13:50 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: no... what i meant, since we have mitaka only as of now, it is easy for us to checrry-pick these patches to mitaka | 13:50 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I am curious to see what are the network throughput difference between networking-hyperv and ovs. | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:50 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: ah, i see what you mean. well, you can try cherry-picking them, but the code probably changed quite a lot since mitaka, so you'll have quite a few merge conflicts. | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | then ... i think we will have to wait till we get into newton | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | couple of months from now | 13:52 |
| claudiub | cool. :) | 13:52 |
| claudiub | so, anything else? | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | how is magnum going ? | 13:53 |
| claudiub | atuvenie_: ^ | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | have you seen this ? http://blog.kubernetes.io/2016/07/update-on-kubernetes-for-windows-server-containers.html | 13:54 |
| atuvenie_ | sagar_nikam: yeah, we've been working with the aprenda folks | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | atuvenie_: cool.... let us know how it goes | 13:55 |
| atuvenie_ | sagar_nikam: pretty much at this point most of the work is focusing on kubernetes | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | in a few months from now, when things become stable for windows and containers, we can start trying it | 13:55 |
| atuvenie_ | sagar_nikam: after that is done, magnum should be pretty easy | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | atuvenie_: let us know when we can pick some of your work and test it | 13:56 |
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| claudiub | yeah, we'll let you know. :) | 13:57 |
| claudiub | anything else for today? | 13:57 |
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| sagar_nikam | no ... thanks | 13:57 |
| claudiub | if not, we're going to end the meeting. :) | 13:57 |
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| claudiub | well then, thanks folks for the updates and for joining, see you next week! :D | 13:58 |
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| claudiub | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 13:58:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-08-03-12.59.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-08-03-12.59.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-08-03-12.59.log.html | 13:58 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 15:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| iurygregory | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | agenda is posted at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday August 3, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Events api status | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Reviews: | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341210 | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347481 | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 3.Cassandra update | 15:00 |
| silvamatteus | o/ | 15:00 |
| Fdaisuke_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | Hi everyone, the agenda looks a little light right now, so if there are more topics to discuss please post in the etherpad | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | the ether pad link is above | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | We might as well get started then | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Events api status | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Events api status (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:01 | |
| rhochmuth | Who posted this topic? | 15:02 |
| rbak | that would be me | 15:02 |
| rbak | I was just curious what the state of this was? | 15:02 |
| rbak | I haven't heard anything about it in a while | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Are you referring to the big events api that had the events transform and events engine components? | 15:03 |
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| rbak | I assume so | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | Currently, it is being worked on | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | It is moving up in priority again though, so we might be able to start working on it again soon | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | from an HPE perspective | 15:04 |
| igorn | o/ | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | We will start from scratch though | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | and look at other technologies and approached | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | approaches | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | why are you asking | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | is this an area that you are interested in developing? | 15:06 |
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| rbak | We had a couple use cases that came up this week and I was just wondering what the status was. | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | what are the use cases? | 15:06 |
| rbak | We have someone who started looking at the log api, and was curious about support for detecting and alarming on events based on logs. | 15:07 |
| rbak | I don't know the details, I'm just collecting information to pass along. | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | so, you could start to do that already using logstash to detect specific log messages, and then publishing a metric to the Kafka metrics topic | 15:08 |
| rbak | Yeah, I think that's what we're looking at, but metrics and events were going to have separate apis at one point. Hence my question about the event api. | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | the direction that we are headed as well as Fujitsu at the moment is to use the logging API along with Logstash, to then create metrics that can be alarmed on, and notificaitons sent | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | the work around the determinisitic alarms, whcih is complete, was to help address this area | 15:11 |
| rbak | So are we scrapping the idea of a separate events api? | 15:11 |
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| rhochmuth | there are some other features that are in progress too | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | such as the locked/latched alarms and sporadic metrics | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | no, we aren't scrappign the events api | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | like i said it is moving up in priority within hpe | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | so we might start to develop it again | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | it just won't be based on some of the internal technologies and libraries that we had originally used | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | so, should we move onto the next topic? | 15:14 |
| rbak | Sure, that's all I needed | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341210 | 15:14 |
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| bklei | that's me | 15:14 |
| bklei | i've tested it locally, looks good for a first cut at a solidfire plugin | 15:15 |
| bklei | we've got ideas on how to extend it -- actually having lunch with chris today | 15:15 |
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| bklei | but any objections to merging? | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | i don't have any objections | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | i already +1'd | 15:15 |
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| rhochmuth | i can't run this plugin | 15:15 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i've done code, naming conventions review | 15:16 |
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| bklei | perfect -- i'll merge today then. | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | if you've run it and it loks good you are much further than me | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | are you the primary reason this was developed | 15:16 |
| bklei | yeah, we have a SF cluster -- worked good in the lab | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | i'm just wondering how the plugin came to be | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:17 |
| bklei | we talked with them in austin -- i was going to write it -- but they took the lead | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | please feel free to merge. i believe you have +2 privs | 15:17 |
| bklei | thx | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347481 | 15:17 |
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| bklei | sorry -- me again :) | 15:18 |
| bklei | read only api -- wondering if anyone else needs time to review or test | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | i haven't reviewed it yet | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | i briefly looked at it | 15:18 |
| bklei | np | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | but it looks like rbrandt and tomasz are involved | 15:19 |
| bklei | yeah, i think they're good | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | and i'm assuming if they've approved it is in good shape | 15:19 |
| bklei | ok | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | i still need to look it over | 15:19 |
| bklei | np, will wait for u | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | also looks like craig looked at it | 15:20 |
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| bklei | yup | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Cassandra update | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | So, last meeting we decided we would check with our organizations on getting resources | 15:21 |
| shinya_kwbt | I pushed devstack plugin. | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | Ahhh, yes shinya | 15:22 |
| shinya_kwbt | sorry please go ahead. | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | That is really useful | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | so, witek has told me that it looks like they will be able to work on this | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | DT is still in the process of checking | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | I'm also in the process of checkign for HPE, but I don't have an absolute answer today | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | so, next week i should no more | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | shinya_kwbt: I think you should provide an update on status | 15:23 |
| shinya_kwbt | There are api and persister and devstack. But these are reviewing. | 15:24 |
| shinya_kwbt | There are some comments in api. | 15:24 |
| shinya_kwbt | So I will fix api after meeting. | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:25 |
| shinya_kwbt | Devstack is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349751/ and there are links for api and persister. | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | other than what other reviewers are thinking, i think this is ready | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | i think i mentioned that i tested everything in DevStack, and all appears to be functional | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | some folks from DT had some comments on potential performance improvements | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | but i think we can follow-up and address those as we move along | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | so, merging so this is available for everyone, and then starting the process of enhancements, seems like a good idea | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | i'm thinking i might add some blueprints based on the email discussions so far so we can track the areas a bit better | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | i think we are a little light on attendance today to continue the Cassandra discussion | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | i'll just open up at this time | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | #topic open floor | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:29 | |
| rhochmuth | Does anyone have any other topics, questions, issues to discuss today | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | we have a 1/2 hour left | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | going once, going twice | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'm going to close the meeting down then | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | thanks everyone | 15:31 |
| bklei | cya | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 15:32:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-08-03-15.00.html | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-08-03-15.00.txt | 15:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-08-03-15.00.log.html | 15:32 |
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| shinya_kwbt | thx by | 15:32 |
| shinya_kwbt | e | 15:32 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 17:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| dansmith | ohai | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | I'm not sure we have much to cover at this point so let's roll through this | 17:00 |
| alaski | #topic Testing | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| alaski | dansmith: I think you agreed to do a thing here involving grenade? | 17:01 |
| dansmith | did I? | 17:01 |
| dansmith | doesn't sound like me. | 17:01 |
| mriedem | he did | 17:01 |
| dansmith | what did I promise to do? | 17:01 |
| mriedem | L396 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-midcycle | 17:02 |
| mriedem | somewhere around in there | 17:02 |
| alaski | Forcing this is contingent on grenade testing. (TODO: dansmith) | 17:02 |
| alaski | yeah, what mriedem said | 17:02 |
| alaski | I'm going to assume there's nothing to report here then | 17:03 |
| mriedem | yeah that was the todo | 17:03 |
| mriedem | the other was investigating some rpc/db switching stuff | 17:03 |
| dansmith | um | 17:03 |
| dansmith | ot | 17:03 |
| dansmith | it is not clicking for me, but nothing to report obviously.. we can chat after the meeting to get it back in my head | 17:03 |
| alaski | okay | 17:04 |
| alaski | moving on | 17:04 |
| mriedem | steps: expand db, roll new code, things still work, then run the command, we don't lose stuff in between b/c we assume there is a single cell setup and we can do things as before cells v2 | 17:04 |
| mriedem | i think it was just having something run through the upgrade in grenade | 17:04 |
| mriedem | from no cells to cells v2 | 17:04 |
| alaski | yeah, that rings a bell | 17:05 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:05 | |
| alaski | so let's discuss what we're going to push for in Newton | 17:05 |
| alaski | dansmith: what's the status of aggregates? | 17:05 |
| alaski | I didn't see if that merged | 17:05 |
| dansmith | merged | 17:06 |
| dansmith | like a mofo | 17:06 |
| alaski | excellent | 17:06 |
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| alaski | melwitt: what's the status of instance groups? does that need review at this point? | 17:06 |
| melwitt | alaski: yes, it's all ready for review | 17:07 |
| alaski | great | 17:07 |
| melwitt | dansmith reviewed it recently and I updated it to address the comments | 17:07 |
| alaski | I don't think it's critical for N, but would help simplify upgrades | 17:07 |
| dansmith | yeah, we should try to get it in if we can I think | 17:08 |
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| alaski | agreed | 17:08 |
| alaski | I'll add it to my queue | 17:08 |
| alaski | I just pushed up a new revision to my series on deleting instances and then includin build_requests in instance show | 17:09 |
| dansmith | what about quota? | 17:09 |
| alaski | I have a few more patches to add covering instance list and scheduling to a cell | 17:09 |
| dansmith | alaski: you're going to pick that up right? (I hope) | 17:09 |
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| alaski | I'm happy (not really) to look at that once I get my current series in shape | 17:10 |
| mriedem | i've been through https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325985/ a few times already so should be good to push there | 17:10 |
| mriedem | alaski: i'm going to have to ask you to push me on ^ though | 17:10 |
| mriedem | i.e. badger me | 17:10 |
| alaski | can do | 17:10 |
| * dansmith doubts alaski's abilities | 17:10 | |
| alaski | I think you all impressed upon me the need to be more aggressive, though it's against my natur | 17:11 |
| alaski | e | 17:11 |
| dansmith | yeah, but I have seen no change of behavior | 17:11 |
| dansmith | you're as nice as ever | 17:11 |
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| alaski | heh, fair point. I'll see what I can do | 17:12 |
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| * alaski cracks a whip | 17:12 | |
| mriedem | probably nicer | 17:12 |
| * dansmith quakes in his boots | 17:12 | |
| alaski | there's a review up for a simple migration command for cellsv2 | 17:12 |
| mriedem | 'they told me to be mean, so i probably did something wrong and need to be extra nice now!' | 17:12 |
| dansmith | mriedem: lol | 17:12 |
| alaski | lol | 17:12 |
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| alaski | we'll need that nova-manage cmd for grenade | 17:13 |
| alaski | the only other series I can think of right now for N is the rpc switching from melwitt | 17:13 |
| dansmith | I'm already +2 on the migration command IIRC | 17:13 |
| alaski | yep | 17:13 |
| dansmith | so crack that whip somewhere else | 17:13 |
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| mriedem | is anything up yet for the list stuff? | 17:14 |
| alaski | not yet, that's my next patch | 17:14 |
| mriedem | there was quite a bit of talk about what to do with listing instances | 17:14 |
| mriedem | ok | 17:14 |
| alaski | that series was 8 patches long for a while, so I deferred | 17:14 |
| mriedem | we also talked about restricting sort_keys for list, which i opened a bug for yesterday | 17:14 |
| mriedem | but that could be done in parallel | 17:15 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:15 |
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| alaski | the real value of that is if it's a small enough set of data that we could keep in in the api db | 17:15 |
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| alaski | then we don't need to query each cell, or elasticsearch, to get the set of instances | 17:16 |
| melwitt | alaski: I was about to ask about that. the service version query stuff. it's already doing the version querying but I planned to incorporate the feedback from belliott and refactor the Transport creation | 17:16 |
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| alaski | melwitt: okay. I seem to recall agreeing with belliotts ideas | 17:17 |
| dansmith | melwitt: because of the other requirements we have, querying the service version in the cell is just extra work, right | 17:17 |
| dansmith | you're talking about for the rpc switching, right? | 17:17 |
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| melwitt | dansmith: what do you mean by extra work? | 17:18 |
| melwitt | like an extra step? yes | 17:18 |
| dansmith | melwitt: well, if we're going to require the cells to be upgraded first, then we'll always be okay to send the newest version known by the api stuff | 17:18 |
| alaski | this gets to the idea of doing an api upgrade last right? | 17:19 |
| melwitt | ohh. I see | 17:19 |
| dansmith | the same reason we don't really ever pin the conductor version, because it always has to be newer anyway | 17:19 |
| dansmith | alaski: yeah | 17:19 |
| dansmith | I left this feedback on that review a long time ago, but maybe it wasn't super clear at that point | 17:19 |
| alaski | so that's some documentation work we need to do | 17:19 |
| alaski | where is the current upgrade procedure documented? | 17:19 |
| dansmith | well, and testing to make sure it works | 17:19 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:19 |
| dansmith | alaski: not really sure we have a good place that covers it, TBH | 17:20 |
| alaski | okay | 17:20 |
| mriedem | we don't, that was another todo in the etherpad from the midcycle | 17:20 |
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| melwitt | it was probably just me. I didn't get the point that the upgrade order obviates the patch | 17:20 |
| alaski | mriedem: for whom? | 17:20 |
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| mriedem | alaski: unspecified | 17:20 |
| mriedem | mikal said we could open bugs against the docs team | 17:20 |
| alaski | cool | 17:21 |
| alaski | #action alaski to file a bug against the docs team on upgrade ordering with cellsv2, dependant on testing of that ordering | 17:21 |
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| dansmith | we really need to get testing of it done before we start prescribing, | 17:22 |
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| dansmith | and figure out how we're going to handle going from the current method to the new one | 17:22 |
| dansmith | because until conductor is completely isolated from the api database, we can't really separate the api and the conductor I don't think | 17:22 |
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| dansmith | well, unless we're lucky right now and we use a voting test to make sure we don't migrate data away from where the api can see it until it's upgraded | 17:22 |
| dansmith | like the aggregate stuff for example, | 17:23 |
| dansmith | well, no that's manual | 17:23 |
| dansmith | but the flavor thing we did in newton, | 17:23 |
| dansmith | would break a mitaka api if you started running newton conductors with older apis | 17:23 |
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| dansmith | but maybe we get that in place for ocata early so we can make sure we don't break a newton api running with ocata conductor | 17:23 |
| alaski | this sounds like it's getting into O territory | 17:23 |
| dansmith | that may have even been my todo item | 17:24 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:24 |
| dansmith | or one of them | 17:24 |
| dansmith | I tried a hack against grenade a month or so ago, but never got it working, for grenade reasons | 17:24 |
| dansmith | and sdague refuses to help me on things, so... | 17:24 |
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| mriedem | don't get me started on that guy | 17:24 |
| alaski | that definitely sounds like him | 17:25 |
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| alaski | well I think that's all on reviews right now | 17:25 |
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| alaski | but yeah, I'll hold off on the docs bug until we get testing sorted | 17:25 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:26 |
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| alaski | does anyone have a topic? | 17:26 |
| alaski | I do not have anything for here | 17:26 |
| melwitt | so if we don't need the service version query, then I think all I have for rpc switching is to have the queries for mapping go in the compute rpcapi and refactor the Transport object stuff to be cached | 17:27 |
| melwitt | and also switching needs to go in consoleauth rpcapi but IIRC that is intended to be removed | 17:27 |
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| alaski | I recall paul murray mentioning that | 17:28 |
| melwitt | yeah, that's what I'm thinking of | 17:28 |
| alaski | sounds good. that seems like a simplification of what's up now | 17:29 |
| alaski | anything else? | 17:29 |
| alaski | thanks everyone! | 17:30 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 17:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 17:30:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-08-03-17.00.html | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-08-03-17.00.txt | 17:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-08-03-17.00.log.html | 17:30 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 20:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:00 |
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| rdopiera | o/ | 20:00 |
| yohoffman | \o | 20:01 |
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| ezpz_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| robcresswell | Hi everyone | 20:01 |
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| Marcellin_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| * robcresswell slowly finds agenda | 20:01 | |
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| david-lyle | o/ | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | Okay, lets get started | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | We're 3 weeks from FF | 20:02 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:02 |
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| tsufiev | o/ | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | So cores need to be reviewing reviewing reviewing | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | And we need people to be on the look out for bugs, finalising their features. | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | I'll be running around getting django up to date and reviewing priority items | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | Please focus reviews on: | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:rob-cresswell+status:open | 20:04 |
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| robcresswell | I've left that in the Horizon IRC room topic too. | 20:04 |
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| robcresswell | Any questions about FF/ release? | 20:04 |
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| robcresswell | The release schedule, FYI, is here: http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | Lets move on to the agenda | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | #topic Agenda | 20:06 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_2016-08-03 | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | Couple of items | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | Marcellin_: o/ | 20:06 |
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| robcresswell | So Marcellin_ reached out last week asking for any features that need extra input | 20:06 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | If there are any small bps that could be finished off, or larger bps for O-1, please speaker to Marcellin_ about contributing there. | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | speak* | 20:07 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, 0-1? | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | next cycle | 20:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: get a better font ;-) | 20:07 |
| * tsufiev has quotas in mind | 20:08 | |
| robcresswell | They're looking to contribute to bps, which obviously may be tough with FF so soon, hence the reference to next cycle :) | 20:08 |
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| robcresswell | Marcellin_: Anything to add? | 20:09 |
| tsufiev | lol, I was thinking about some score in a soccer game :) | 20:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :-) | 20:09 |
| ezpz | I work with Marcellin_ and would be willing to help as well | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | Oh excellent | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | Hopefully someone will be able to throw some useful bps your way soon :) | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Lets move on for now | 20:10 |
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| robcresswell | #topic UI autotests | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI autotests (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:10 | |
| robcresswell | schipiga: o/ | 20:10 |
| schipiga | Hi, all! I would like to propose redesigned horizon autotests https://github.com/sergeychipiga/horizon_autotests, based on steps-architecture. And according to this proposition I want to prepare gerrit patch with these tests. | 20:10 |
| schipiga | Current advantages, that I see: strong architecture, reusable code (not copy-paste!), stable microkernel (https://github.com/sergeychipiga/pom), parallel tests launching, easy tests coding including tests for angular forms (right now there are over 40 tests for angular forms: containers and instances). | 20:10 |
| schipiga | And because I put the soul to these tests, I'm going to provide readable documentation for these tests and architecture, to provide low entry threshold for new developers. | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | 40 tests?? | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | That was fast | 20:11 |
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| schipiga | 40 for new angular forms | 20:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | +1 | 20:11 |
| schipiga | but all 121 tests for almost all UI components | 20:12 |
| schipiga | images, volumes, instances, users, etc | 20:12 |
| tsufiev | how long does it take to run them in a single thread on a typical Jenkins node? | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | So, what is this replacing? Integration? Or is a functional or unit level? | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | Sorry, I've not yet looked into the repo | 20:12 |
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| tsufiev | robcresswell, afaik schipiga is aiming to replace existing integration tests | 20:13 |
| schipiga | tsufiev in our jenkins inside company, On average each test requires 35 seconds vs 46 seconds in current upstream version | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | This sounds like a positive move | 20:15 |
| tsufiev | which gives 46 seconds x 121 = 6677 seconds = 92 minutes | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Can we get it blueprinted and a POC proposed inside Horizon? | 20:15 |
| schipiga | and right now they support parallel launching with pytest-xdist | 20:15 |
| TravT | sounds pretty wonderful, what's the catch? | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | yep, PoC of how well Jenkins slaves handle >=2 threads of execution would be nice | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | more precisely, how Devstack handles it :) | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: On the plus side, even two threads would be 46 minutes | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | not exactly, robcresswell | 20:16 |
| schipiga | TravT, not in tests, but infra must have nice hardware to provide over 2 test threads simultaneously | 20:17 |
| tsufiev | they can start interfering each other and producing intermittent failures if resources are not enough | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, I should have said up-to | 20:17 |
| schipiga | robcresswell, tsufiev, yep, there may be problems with openstack performance in parallel launching. But in single-threaded mode, they work fine already (they are used inside company already) | 20:18 |
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| robcresswell | This is all theory regardless. | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | schipiga: It sounds good, and certainly something we would be interested in | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | A POC in Horizon would be a good next step | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | So we can see it functioning in the gate | 20:20 |
| schipiga | robcresswell, ok, I'm ready to integrate these tests to horizon upstream | 20:20 |
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| robcresswell | Sounds good | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:21 |
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| robcresswell | There are no more agenda items, so we have an open floor | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | Any questions, discussion while we have a large group here, please go ahead :) | 20:22 |
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| robcresswell | Also I'll be pinging people fairly often for reviews over the next month to hit release. You've been warned :) | 20:22 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | ui-router? ui-router! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350523/ | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (note to self: I need to update my bower-to-xstatic script so you don't need to run xstatic-release on the result ;-) | 20:24 |
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| robcresswell | I could've sworn someone argued strongly against adding ui-router a few months back... | 20:25 |
| * robcresswell ducks | 20:25 | |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Is the repo under openstack control or yours? | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | I still have a couple for schema form that need to be put under the OS namespace | 20:26 |
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| robcresswell | Is ui-router being used exclusively for this use case? Are there others where it would be useful? | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: yeah yeah :-P the repo is currently local, I need to get it into openstack | 20:27 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | it'll be helpful in some work that tyr_/TravT are doing (designate IIRC) | 20:28 |
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| robcresswell | TravT, tyr_: thoughts? | 20:29 |
| TravT | well, i originally proposed we consider ui router | 20:29 |
| TravT | so, i'm not opposed to it conceptually... | 20:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep, also, I had very tasty humble pie a few days ago, fyi | 20:30 |
| TravT | just need to look at it | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: hahaa | 20:30 |
| TravT | i don't like bringing something like this in late in the release, but i also think sooner is better overall | 20:31 |
| tyr_ | I personally haven't hit the need for ui-router. I don't have particular comments. If it is a more powerful way to do routing, that seems good on paper. | 20:31 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ui-router has some warts, like what I mentioned last night about paths | 20:32 |
| r1chardj0n3s | its documentation is also so-so - a lot of head scratching :/ | 20:32 |
| tyr_ | you want to bring this in for Newton? | 20:32 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (these are reasons I was hesitant the first time it was brought up) | 20:32 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I need to complete the WIP for swift ui before I'd be fully comfortable pushing it in as there's some open questions | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | I guess the blunt question would be whether you have the time to introduce it and bugfix with pycon also soon | 20:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | also if anyone has experience with ui-router I'd appreciate a glance at the patch | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | I don't have any particular issue with a new requirement (packagers might...) | 20:33 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: pycon is really just the next week and half, so outside of that I'm confident I have time | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | So may be worth speaking to mrunge or zigo | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: ah, great | 20:33 |
| TravT | does this affect out of tree plugins? | 20:34 |
| TravT | will we have to go migrate them? | 20:34 |
| r1chardj0n3s | AFAICT it doesn't affect anything | 20:34 |
| TravT | sorry that i haven't actually tried the patch | 20:34 |
| TravT | doing too many things at once | 20:34 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's an additional method of routing, not a replacement. it doesn't make ngRoute not work | 20:34 |
| TravT | i suppose mostly then it is a testing exercise | 20:34 |
| r1chardj0n3s | well, it's also a sanity check that what I'm doing is good and correct :-) | 20:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm not that familiar with ui-router, since I discarded it as a bit too rough a few years ago when I first looked at i | 20:35 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | it's still a bit rough, just not *as* rough | 20:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but it's also the only solution for nested routing that I'm aware of | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: What about versioning? Do we need 1.5 for it? Or is the current 1.4 fine? | 20:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | you mean angular 1.5? | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | Yup | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | Just wondered how backwards compatible the lib is | 20:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm using 1.4.10 at the moment and it's working | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | cool, just checking | 20:39 |
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| tyr_ | r1chardj0n3s: at first blush, nested routing seems like a complex way to solve a problem where we would normally just use a component like a TabNavigator or Panel. | 20:39 |
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| robcresswell | I've no issue with this. Lets review the POC and see if it feels like the correct solution and the code is clean etc. | 20:40 |
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| tyr_ | probably need to play with swift UI to better understand the motivation. | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: I'll take a look at the patch probably late this week/ early next week | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | I don't know if anyone saw the mailer post, but 1.5.x is fairly ready, just need to double check tests. functionally it was fine though. ALl the images content worked. | 20:42 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tyr_: that's somewhat true, but the swift ui is a special UI snowflake. Perhaps it shouldn't be... | 20:42 |
| tyr_ | if there is tension between landing schema form, and landing ui-router, I have a much stronger desire to see schema form land. | 20:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | absolutely | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Does the state charing problem with the top level containers and the objects go away if you design the UI around a single table? | 20:44 |
| TravT | why would there be tension between those two things? | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: quite possibly. The containers side list complicates things, yes. | 20:45 |
| r1chardj0n3s | TravT: I can't see any myself, but in case there ever was, I'm on schemaform's side too :-) | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | I don't know why they would be competing, think we all missed something | 20:46 |
| tyr_ | r1chardj0n3s: are you hoping for ui-rotuer in Newton? | 20:46 |
| TravT | let's get schemaform in. | 20:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I need to to a bunch more work on the ui-router patch - I just put it up to get any feedback on my use of ui-router from any experts in the team :-) | 20:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tyr_: that'd be nice yes | 20:46 |
| TravT | sounds good r1chardj0n3s | 20:47 |
| tyr_ | ok, my point is just that investigating ui-router will have a minor distracting effect from landing in-flight Newton work. | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yup | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | happy for it to not be that distraction | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | Given the reaction, it doesn't seem like we'll be able to get the input on it to make an informed decision | 20:50 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yup, that's my feel | 20:50 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I won't push for N | 20:50 |
| robcresswell | Leave the POC up, and we'll see if we can get some input over the next week. If not, we'll defer to O. | 20:50 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep | 20:50 |
| robcresswell | Cool | 20:50 |
| TravT | robcresswell re: 1.5.x, i guess since we waited until the end of release for 1.4.x, that we could push 1.5.x and try out over the next few weeks. | 20:51 |
| TravT | i have no idea what deployers opinion would be on that | 20:51 |
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| TravT | err... packagers | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | packagers would probably prefer 1.5 since its more recent. Well, zigo would, since he packages edge | 20:52 |
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| tsufiev | sid | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | ta, tsufiev :) | 20:53 |
| tsufiev | bleeding edge, i would say ;) | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | Anyway, 5 minutes left: any further questions, points to raise? | 20:53 |
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| robcresswell | I think we can call it there. Thanks everyone! | 20:54 |
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| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 20:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 20:54:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-08-03-20.00.html | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-08-03-20.00.txt | 20:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-08-03-20.00.log.html | 20:54 |
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| zigo | robcresswell: 1.5 of what component? | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | zigo: angularjs | 20:55 |
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| zigo | robcresswell: Sid (aka: unstable) has 1.5.5 indeed. | 20:56 |
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| robcresswell | zigo: Ah great, thanks | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | Time for sleep. | 20:56 |
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