Thursday, 2016-07-28

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rtheisdtroyer: osc meeting today?13:00
tangchenHi, I'm here.13:00
dtroyerrtheis: yes!13:00
tangchenI think it is today13:00
dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient13:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 28 13:01:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)"13:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'13:01
rtheishi tangchen13:01
stevemaro/13:01
stevemaroh wow, we're all here13:01
dtroyerHi gang!13:01
tangchenHi, stevemar, rtheis, dtroyer13:01
tangchen:)13:01
dtroyerI am fighting laptop/browser issues so flying a bit blind right now13:02
dtroyertiming is everything, right?13:02
tangchenhaha13:02
dtroyer#topic release status13:03
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dtroyerSo let's talk 3.0 release13:03
dtroyerIt seems the pressure is all on the osc-lib work to complete now, correct?  maybe one more thing from Henry?13:03
dtroyer(which may be what was proposed yesterday)13:03
stevemaryeah, and he just posted something13:04
dtroyerok, cool13:04
stevemari'll take a look at it today13:04
dtroyerI was hoping to be done this week, and have gotten stuck on reproducing the failures in the shell review13:04
rtheisand for osc-lib, do we want release notes?  There are a couple conflicting reviews.13:05
stevemarrtheis: it doesn't hurt to have it, we never had a reason until now13:05
stevemarlooks like someone proposed the directory structure13:06
dtroyergood question… most libs do not have reno-based release notes (based on a sampling of oslo and a few others)13:06
stevemarhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/348210/13:06
dtroyersince those are end-user focused13:06
dtroyeris there a strong feeling that we should have that?  or just the dev docs?13:06
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dtroyerI am leaning toward just dev docs but am not stuck on that13:06
stevemari think just the dev docs are fine, osc-lib isn't meant to be end user facing13:06
rtheisI say we match other libs13:07
rtheisso dev docs are fine13:07
dtroyerok13:07
stevemari'll update the patch13:07
rtheisthanks stevemar13:07
dtroyer#agreed osc-lib will not use reno release notes13:07
dtroyerand +A Andrea's cleanup then, I've been holding off on that until we had this conversation13:07
dtroyer#topic osc-lib13:08
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dtroyerwhile we're on that, I have also been holding off on another osc-lib release in case I needed something for the shell work, but I think it's time to do 0.4.1 at least there13:08
stevemar+A'ed ajaegers cleanup13:09
dtroyerthanks13:09
tangchenme too13:09
stevemarwe only have 5 commits unreleased https://github.com/openstack/osc-lib/compare/0.4.0...master13:10
stevemar2 of which are minor13:11
dtroyerright, osc needs some of them for the shell work13:11
stevemaractually 3 commits13:11
dtroyerand its taking 3+ days to do release, g-r and u-c updates these days13:11
stevemarOK13:11
stevemarwho wants to create the release? :)13:11
tangchenI'd like to try onec13:12
tangchenonce13:12
dtroyerrtheis, tangchen: want some practice?13:12
dtroyerok, cool, thanks13:12
* dhellmann arrives late13:12
rtheisthanks tangchen13:12
tangchenthanks, Richard. :)13:12
* dtroyer backs up a bit to confirm something with dhellmann13:12
tangchenAny guide please ?13:12
stevemartangchen: you just gotta copy https://github.com/openstack/releases/commit/e305d347a68b2619cbadb0ae05453e652fde9ae113:12
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dhellmanndtroyer : reno?13:13
dtroyerdhellmann: we're not planning for reno-style release notes for osc-lib, that seems consitent with most others, correct?13:13
stevemartangchen: as dtroyer said, mark it 0.4.1 and get the most recent hash (7a8b05152ac49f3895bef56be4424171c3917dd8)13:13
dhellmannwe're adding reno to libs that have config options that deployers would see. I don't think that applies to osc-lib. I don't know if there are any other user-facing things that make sense to include in release notes there?13:14
dtroyer*most other libs13:14
tangchenstevemar: OK, I'll try it tomorrow13:14
dtroyerdhellmann: no, there shouldn't be anything like that13:14
stevemartangchen: we need it a bit sooner :(13:14
dhellmannso osc-lib doesn't define any command line options?13:14
stevemartangchen: the release team doesn't allow releases on fridays13:14
tangchenOh, now ?13:14
stevemar(in case a gate is broken)13:15
stevemartangchen: should only take a minute, i can do it if you want, i know it's late your time13:15
tangchenOh, I can do it.13:16
dtroyerdhellmann: hmmm… actually it has most of the global options, yes.  so is there a way for osc to ppick those up naturally?13:16
tangchenworking on it13:16
tangchenone min13:16
stevemartangchen: thanks :)13:16
dhellmanndtroyer : we don't currently have a way to pull notes from one repo into another, no. :-/13:16
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dtroyerbut having the reno notes in osc-lib would at least make references cleaner13:17
amotokieven though osc-lib has a release note like reno style, it is not easy that users track changes in dependent libraries.13:17
dhellmannamotoki : that's a good point, putting release notes in the library might be a little confusing13:17
amotokii think what we can do is just to mention osc-lib or other libs had such changes.13:17
dhellmannwe could address that by having osc's release notes point to the lib notes for "more details"13:18
dhellmannright13:18
amotokiit's not best but it sounds better approach13:19
dtroyerthe user-unfriendly bit there is knowing _which_ osc-lib is installed.  this is ok for service deployers, unfortunate for end-users13:19
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dhellmanndtroyer: true13:19
dtroyerand not something I though of when we decided to do the split.13:19
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dtroyerbut also minor in the Big Scheme of Things13:19
dhellmannmaybe we can do something with the --version output of osc to expose that better13:20
stevemardtroyer: osc-lib *ideally* shouldn't be changing too often after the big split13:20
dtroyerdhellmann: I'll make sure it is included in module show output too13:20
dtroyerthat'll ease that pain a bunch13:21
dhellmann++13:21
tangchenstevemar: Shall we hash it to ef4a4f143b1f96ac8c2a685a8e1a4e96c802cb0d ?13:22
tangchenSeems it was merged just now.13:22
tangchenthe releasenote cleanup13:22
rtheisare we back to osc-lib release notes?13:22
dtroyertangchen: you could, not necessary though13:22
dtroyerrtheis: yes13:22
rtheisok13:23
dtroyerlets move on...13:23
dtroyer#topic review highlights13:24
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dtroyerAny reviews that need to be brought up here?13:24
rtheishttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/340624/13:24
rtheisa couple items on this review...13:25
rtheis1) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340624/14/neutronclient/osc/v2/trunk/trunk.py13:25
rtheisrom openstackclient.identity import common as identity_common13:25
rtheisfrom openstackclient.identity import common as identity_common13:25
rtheisIs this available to plugins and is there a plan to move any of this to osc-lib13:26
rtheisthis = identity common utilities13:26
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stevemartangchen: sure, sounds like a good level13:26
dtroyerwe really have not talked about moving API-specific bits to osc-lib, although it may not be out of the question13:26
amotokiso far neutron osc plugin wants to use find_project() and option definitions from identity.common.13:27
dtroyerIdentity has a bit of a special place though in that everyone needs bits of it13:27
dtroyerthe reason to move it is so plugins do not depend on osc itself, so stand-along CLIs are possible13:27
dhellmannit might make sense to expose some of the identity api through osc-lib, either fully by giving the identity client, or partially by giving a wrapper13:28
dhellmannI could see commands wanting to do things like translate UUIDs returned by APIs to names, for example13:28
dtroyerI think most of the stuff (from memory) in identity.common doesn't require a client to exist if it isn't called…13:28
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stevemardtroyer: some functions expect a client to be passed in the args13:29
dtroyerright, which is find for a lib13:29
stevemarja13:29
dtroyerif you don't use it there isn't a cost13:29
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rtheisyep, that looks right13:30
dtroyerso if we can do it without forcing ksc or the sdk to be included we should be ok13:30
stevemarit would be nice to be consistent, so other projects don't reimplement it13:30
dtroyerexactly, and osc-lib is meant to be the plugin interface13:30
amotokistevemar: +113:30
dtroyerso we need to support that.  maybe post 1.0 though13:31
tangchen<amotoki>: Hi, I know the problem. And yes, +113:31
rtheisok, so in the short term should we suggest that plugins duplicate the code until osc-lib has it13:31
stevemardtroyer: in this case, the common one they are using is just adding an argument to parsed_args, so its really easy to add support for this13:31
stevemarrtheis: yeah, its a small function anyway13:32
dtroyeryay! more args/option in osc-lib!  :)13:32
amotokifor short term in neutornclient, i would like to gather such things in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348097/13:32
dtroyercan someone put together an initial proposal for osc-lib for this?13:32
rtheissounds good13:32
dtroyerthe easy stuff can go in quickly, but I don't want to hold up osc-lib's 1.0 (which would hold up osc's 3.0) if we can help it13:33
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rtheisamotoki: is this something you'd be willing to do since you are working the neutron end too?13:34
rtheisand may be the first user13:34
amotokirtheis: it is just an initial version, but i am thinking this kind of thing is required.13:34
rtheisok13:35
amotokirtheis: we only see two implementations for OSC plugin, but we already see many code duplications.13:35
tangchen+1 for gathering them all together.13:35
dtroyeramotoki: agreed… I'm just running slower than I'd like atm13:35
amotokiit is a bit late in a dev cycle, so i think it is fair that we do this kind of things in each repo and collect them in the beginning of the cycle.13:36
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dtroyeramotoki: that may be the case for the plugins, but go ahead and start putting it into osc-lib too13:37
amotokidtroyer: yeah, i am thinking so.13:37
amotokibut I think we need to gather inputs a bit more.13:37
dtroyerok13:37
* dtroyer finally got a peek at that review…13:38
dtroyeris 'network trunk' the final resource name?13:38
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rtheisdtroyer: that is the current plan13:38
rtheisnothing merged yet13:38
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dtroyer(assuming these are .1q trunk ports) is 'trunk port' out of the question?13:39
amotokiin general I think it is better that networking commands have 'network' prefix unless it is clear that command names belong to 'networking'.13:39
dtroyerI haven't read all of the comments yet so don't know what the history is13:40
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rtheisdtroyer: I suggested "network trunk" or "trunk port" in patch 313:41
dtroyerI believe we should use the best descriptive name that a user will understand, if that means prepending 'network', ok, but it should not be done automatically13:41
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dhellmanndtroyer : ++13:42
amotokii think we don't need 'network' prefix for 'load balancer' or 'vpn', but if it is not clear that a command name belongs to 'networking' 'network' prefix sounds okay.13:42
dtroyerI'll leave a comment… I agree trunk port is clearer to me, although is it greatly different from a port otherwise?  The options might be different enough to warrant a specific resource13:42
rtheisdtroyer: thanks, there is some concern in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340624/17/setup.cfg too13:43
dtroyerI would have started with port —trunk, but again, I haven't read this in any detail yet13:43
rtheisa trunk port is a new resource in neutron db which contains ports13:43
amotokirtheis: a verb 'enumerate'?13:43
rtheisamotoki: yes13:44
rtheisand a subport command object13:44
dtroyerok, so a trunk is a port container?  that is different, and maybe is enough to not include port in the name.13:44
amotokirtheis: honestly 'list' is sufficient.13:44
dtroyerjust because it is differnt in the db, though, doen't mean anything to a user13:44
stevemaramotoki: ++13:44
rtheisdtroyer: that is my understanding of a trunk13:45
rtheisamotoki: is that correct?13:45
amotokirtheis: I think so too, but i haven't fully followed the development of trunk port...13:45
dtroyerI'll read up on it.  trunk means 802.1q trunk to most network folk, so if it isn't that it will be fun13:45
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rtheisdtroyer: thanks for your input13:46
rtheisnothing else from me on that review13:47
dtroyerok, thanks13:47
dtroyerany other reviews?13:47
amotokirtheis: thanks for raising these!13:47
rtheisyw13:47
tangchenNo from me.13:47
dtroyerok, how about…13:48
dtroyer#topic bugs13:48
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rtheisI don't have any to discuss13:49
dtroyerno bugs?13:50
dtroyerwell, with 10 minutes remaining:13:50
dtroyer#topic open discussion13:50
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dtroyerwhat is on our minds today?13:50
rtheisdtroyer: unfortunately, I'm thinking about neutron extensions13:51
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rtheisI had a discussion with armax about some of the neutron osc plugins13:51
rtheismany require neutron extensions to be enabled13:51
dtroyerthat's a fun thing13:52
dtroyerand discovery of that, right?13:52
rtheisshould we have a general check up front in command object to fail13:52
rtheisright13:52
rtheisand does it also belong in osc-lib13:52
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dtroyeris that info available in the / route yet?  (at version negotiation time?)13:53
rtheisdtroyer: I don't know13:54
amotokiin neutron, if a corresponding neutron extension is not available, 404 is returned. IIRC, what armax said is that we would liek to distinguish 404 and not supported.13:54
dtroyerok, as long as that info is readily available we can handle it13:54
rtheisamotoki: that's right, thanks13:55
dtroyerif we can get help out of the version negotiation that's better13:55
dtroyerit doesn't sound like special-case error handling is too hard though, and if it's basically boilerplate for osc-lib we can do that13:55
dtroyerlike with Identity though, if it requires additional dependencies for osc-lib we'll need to think hard about it13:55
rtheisdtroyer: sounds good13:56
rtheisthanks13:56
dtroyeralso, in this case how much should go to the SDK?13:56
amotokiperhaps we can define requirement conditions (like micro-version or extensions) somewhere.13:56
dtroyerif these are common problems for apps that may make long-term sense13:56
rtheishttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/343992/13:56
dtroyeramotoki: as we make those things consistent across APIs, yes, I'd love to do that13:56
rtheisSDK api microversion support in review now13:57
dtroyer\o/13:57
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dtroyerwe can prototype this sort of extension handling between osc and plugins, and migrate it into the appropriate dependencies/libs as it gets worked out13:58
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rtheisgood idea13:58
amotokiit will be a good input to SDKs :)13:58
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rtheiswe out of time14:00
dtroyertangchen: thanks again for doing the osc-lib release, it looks good14:00
dtroyeryup14:00
tangchenthanks. :)14:00
dtroyerthanks everyone! awesome meeting!14:00
rtheisthanks14:00
dtroyer#endmeeting14:00
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amotokithanks14:00
vgridnev#startmeeting sahara14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 28 14:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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vgridnevhello folks14:00
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toskyhi14:01
egaffordo/14:01
raissahi14:01
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elmikoo/14:01
NikitaKonovalovo/14:02
vgridnev#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda14:03
vgridnev#topic News / updates14:03
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vgridnevElephant is the mascot for sahara project!14:03
egafford\o/14:03
tosky\o/14:03
elmikocool14:03
egaffordI love the remote control elephant.14:03
toskyso no problems with the Hadoop logo?14:04
tellesnobregao/14:04
vgridnevegafford, just elephant14:04
egaffordDoes it still have the antenna on its head?14:04
egaffordAh.14:04
* egafford was pretty fond of the antenna on its head, but sacrifices must be made.14:04
egaffordGot pulled downstream pretty hard recently I fear. I'm now on strike from downstream work until my demands are met, and my demands are that I finish documenting the image gen CLI and putting up example code. :)14:05
elmikolol14:05
vgridnevSaharaclient is going to be released soon, since we are in N3 we will more often releases for saharaclient14:05
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elmikoi have not done much with sahara in the last week, it's becoming increasingly unlikely that i can shave time off to work on it :/14:06
egaffordelmiko: Thanks for your valor in shaving time off thus far.14:07
elmikowish i could have done more, i'm worried about v2 =(14:07
vgridnevalso, if feature require client changes, there are around 3 weeks to complete that14:07
tellesnobregaI have put up a new patch on the refactoring of floating ips, it is failing some ci tests, but I think it would be good to have some eyes look at it14:08
egaffordtellesnobrega: Ack.14:08
tellesnobrega#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336597/14:08
vgridnevright now in this scope we have 3 features: designate (small change) ; sorting abilities for lists ; and probably boot from volume if NikitaKonovalov will push a spec about that soon14:08
egaffordvgridnev: (This is the set of features that require client changes, right?)14:09
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vgridnevand also around 4 weeks to just complete features. + (around 2 weeks of FF if FFE granted)14:10
vgridnevegafford, yes14:10
egaffordvgridnev: Cool.14:10
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toskyI think I finally found how to properly move the CLI tests under the existing tempest plugin, it's the last version of the patch (under gates right now)14:11
zemuvierwriting cli tests and fixing coverage for unit-tests for sahara scenario framework14:12
vgridnevI'm going to complete plugin's API in dashboard shortly after release client (which will be today, I think)14:12
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vgridnevanything else?14:13
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tellesnobrega fix for storm scaling problem is being pushed in a minute14:14
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vgridnevcool14:14
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tellesnobregaprobably want to get that in so we can fix the test in the gat14:15
tellesnobregagate14:15
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vgridnevtellesnobrega, we will discuss that after meeting, ok?14:15
tellesnobregavgridnev, sure14:15
vgridnevelmiko, I think we don't APIv2 today?14:16
vgridnevdon't need*14:16
elmikoyeah, we should probably consider removing it from the agenda14:16
elmikounless someone else is willing to guide the effort14:16
elmikoalthough, big thanks to Mikhail for adding the pagination stuff into v214:17
vgridnev#topic Open discussion14:17
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vgridnevI thought about some deprecations for plugins, so now it should be simple14:18
vgridnevhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/348257/14:18
egaffordvgridnev: Yeah, this is a really nice feature.14:19
vgridnevthis is going to deprecate CDH 5; 5.3; 5.4 (keeping enabled, deprecated since Newton, removed at least in P or later)14:19
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egafford(It's amazing for packagers too, btw; lets us disable and deprecate without removing code paths, which is always tricky with unit tests.)14:20
vgridnevfor MapR 5.0.0 is deprecated, and since it's based on unstable distrib; I think it can be  removed it in Ocata)14:21
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vgridnevadditionally, there is a cool spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322347/ about feature matrix, I think that it's something that we can do with labels14:22
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egaffordvgridnev: That'd certainly be great for test.14:25
tellesnobregathat is pretty cool :)14:25
NikitaKonovalovjust as a reminder, voting for talks is open14:26
vgridnevand also I posted a discussion about removing old CLI14:26
vgridnev#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100224.html14:26
vgridnevwould love to see your opinions14:26
toskyvgridnev: maybe the email should have some other tag in addition to [sahara]14:26
vgridnevNikitaKonovalov, absolutely14:26
NikitaKonovalovThere are some interesting Sahara-related submissions by other companies btw14:27
toskythis is part of the general discussion about deprecations; keystone did it, so they had to follow some guidelines14:27
vgridnevtosky, interesting, what tag can be additionally? I have no idea; actually there is a same letter in openstack operators ML14:28
vgridnevNikitaKonovalov, yeah, at least one talk for Intel folks (for Weiting) is going to be interesting14:29
toskyvgridnev: the idea would be to get opinion from other groups, but I'm not sure what is the right group for that14:30
toskyI always forget14:30
toskyelmiko: do you remember who is in charge for deprecation policies for such tools (like CLI)?14:30
vgridnevanyway, feel free to reply on my message with needed tag14:31
elmikohmm14:31
elmikonot sure if there is a central authority for that, aside from the governance tag14:32
elmikoit might be worth suggesting it as a topic for the next cross-project meeting?14:32
elmikoor at least talking with that group for suggestions14:32
vgridnevelmiko, as far as I know there is no cross project meeting now (or I'm missed something)14:33
elmikoah, did they cancel it?14:33
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elmikothen maybe just send the message to [all][sahara] ?14:34
vgridnevI don't remember14:34
toskyor [governance], does it exist as tag?14:34
elmikoor if you really want to escalate, [tc]14:34
elmikotosky: not sure about that one14:34
vgridnevelmiko, all is possible I think14:34
toskyah, [tc] maybe14:35
elmikoi think sending an email to get some feedback is an excellent idea, even if you just spam everyone with [all]14:35
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vgridnevelmiko, for example http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-November/009019.html14:36
vgridnevjust keystone14:36
elmikothat seems like a good example14:37
elmikoif we deprecate, send to operators list as well. very nice visibility14:37
elmikos/if/when/ ;)14:37
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vgridnevanything  else that we can discuss?14:40
egaffordCan't think of anything.14:41
tellesnobregame neither14:43
vgridnevok, thanks folks!14:43
vgridnevok, thanks folks14:43
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egaffordo/14:43
vgridnevargh14:43
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vgridnev#endmeeting14:44
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tellesnobregathanks all14:44
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elmikothanks o/14:44
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 28 15:00:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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jschwarz\o/15:00
haleybhi15:00
john-davidgehi15:00
mlavalleHi15:00
jschwarzhi guys15:00
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mlavalle#chair tidwellr_ carl_baldwin15:01
openstackCurrent chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr_15:01
tidwellr_hi15:01
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:01
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mlavalleMeeting agenda is here:15:01
mlavalle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam15:02
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mlavalleSo our mascot is going to be a spider web.... yaay!15:02
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john-davidgeDon't blame me, I voted for Kodos.15:03
* jschwarz voted for a spider web15:03
carl_baldwinA little creepy, but ok.15:03
haleyband I voted for the sloth :) j/k15:03
* tidwellr_ wonders why not the yak15:03
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mlavalleThe yak was pretty funny15:04
mlavalleAlso a reminder to the team about the upcoming Neutron mid-cycle15:04
haleybhit too close to home maybe15:04
mlavalle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle15:04
mlavalleany other annoucements I might be missing?15:05
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mlavalleIf not, let's move on15:05
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:05
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mlavalleFirst up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160437015:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1604370 in neutron "functional: test_legacy_router_ns_rebuild is unstable" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Terry Wilson (otherwiseguy)15:06
mlavalleI've been keeping an eye on this one15:06
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mlavallewe have a proposed solution here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344859/15:07
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mlavalleAny other comments?15:08
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mlavalleIf not, let's move on15:09
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mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/159607515:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1596075 in neutron "Neutron confused about overlapping subnet creation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)15:09
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mlavalleI think the reporter is indicating that the merged fix didn't actually fixed it15:11
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carl_baldwin:(15:12
mlavalleIf there are no more comments, I'll reach out to kevinbenton and discuss further with him15:12
carl_baldwinI've last track of that one.15:13
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mlavalleif there are no more comments, next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/159932915:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1599329 in neutron "Potential regression on handing over DHCP addresses to VMs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Terry Wilson (otherwiseguy)15:14
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otherwiseguy(which probably shouldn't be assigned to me since it is not alcutally related to the ovsdb native switch)15:16
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mlavalleso we need to work further on this one15:16
mlavalleotherwiseguy: thanks for the clarification!15:16
otherwiseguyI had put a Closes-bug: in a patch and had to remove it. :/15:17
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mlavalleany other comments?15:18
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carl_baldwinNot from me.15:19
mlavalleif not, let's move on.... Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160316215:19
openstackmlavalle: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1603162 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603162). The error has been logged15:19
* jschwarz lols15:20
mlavallehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160316215:20
mlavallewow, it really doesn't like it15:20
tidwellr_you broke the bot :)15:20
mlavalleIt is "IP deallocation failed on external system with pluggable IPAM"15:20
carl_baldwinI can open it, so launchpad is up.15:20
carl_baldwinI don't see pavel_bondar around.15:21
* mlavalle wonders how much it is going to cost him to fix the bot15:21
carl_baldwinWe might have to take a more active part in this one since it is blocking the IPAM migration.15:21
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carl_baldwinI'll try to take a look at this one today.15:22
mlavalleThanks carl_baldwin15:22
mlavalleLast one today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160527715:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1605277 in neutron "[IPAM] 'Internal' ipam driver does not allow to delete all pools on subnet update" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)15:23
tidwellr_mlavalle fixed the bot!15:23
* mlavalle feels relieved. the bot is not broken.15:23
jschwarzcan we feed it the previous link again? :)15:24
mlavalleLOL15:24
janzianmlavalle, the mystical fixer of bots15:24
mlavalleSo we have a fix proposed for this bug.....15:24
mlavalle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345498/15:25
carl_baldwinI'll take another look.15:25
mlavalleThanks15:26
mlavalleAny other bugs I might have missed?15:26
jschwarzwell15:26
jschwarzthere is a sudden resurgence of a bunch of l3-ha scheduler related bugs that are getting our attention in the past few days15:26
jschwarzsome include: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160738115:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1607381 in neutron "HA router in l3 dvr_snat/legacy agent has no ha_port" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889)15:27
jschwarzhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160738115:27
jschwarzhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156287815:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1562878 in neutron "L3 HA: Unable to complete operation on subnet" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ann Taraday (akamyshnikova)15:27
jschwarzhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160528215:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1605282 in neutron "Transaction rolled back while creating HA router" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz)15:27
jschwarzand a few more15:27
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jschwarzmostly worked on my me, Ann, Oleg, Kevin and Liu15:28
johnbelamarichttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/344890/15:28
Swamijschwarz: it is good that people are testing it, and that's why we see more in the pipe.15:28
jschwarzhopefully we can get through these bunch as well and there are a few patches up15:28
johnbelamaricneeds another +215:28
johnbelamaricalong with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345512/15:28
jschwarzreviews are always welcome, especially those which are close to completion: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348224/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265680/15:29
jschwarz /fin15:29
mlavallejschwarz: thanks. We'll take a look at those patchsets15:29
jschwarzthanks15:30
johnbelamaricbugs for those are: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1572474 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156433515:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1572474 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] Deadlock on simultaneous update subnet and ip allocation from subnet" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)15:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)15:30
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carl_baldwinI wanted to mention this from ihrachys : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/098552.html15:31
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carl_baldwinHe is looking for some help with managing the large number proactive backports.15:31
carl_baldwinI know it is hard to think about taking on one more thing, but I wanted to get this out there for you all to think about.15:32
jschwarzI'll do my best to backport the l3 scheduler patches we'll merge this time around as well15:33
SwamiI am working on backporting most of the dvr related changes and will continue.15:33
* haleyb does too15:33
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ihrachysthanks guys, I really appreciate. I hope that the launchpad dashboards and tags help you do the job.15:34
haleybBut there are a lot of things to backport and/or tag to be backported15:34
ihrachyshaleyb: I *hope* that my scripts tag all potentially relevant15:34
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ihrachysif not, please raise a red flag, I don't want anything to fall thru cracks15:35
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carl_baldwinOkay, so we can keep an eye on anything that the scripts miss. It will be very helpful if the script is tagging all the potentials.15:35
haleybihrachys: yes, i think they do, sometimes maybe tag too much, but that's why we're here15:36
ihrachyshaleyb: I have ideas on how to avoid some of false positives, stay tuned15:36
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mlavalleany other comments on this topic?15:38
mlavalleor bugs in general?15:38
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jschwarzmlavalle, not enough bugs? I can fish up a few for you if you want :)15:38
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mlavalleno thanks :-)15:39
mlavalleMoving on15:39
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mlavalle#topic Routed Networks15:39
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mlavallecarl_baldwin: anything you want to share with the team?15:41
carl_baldwinHi, we've had a bunch of stuff merge this week. I think we're doing pretty well.15:41
carl_baldwinI'd really like to close on service subnets and try to enable connecting routers' external gateway to a routed network.15:42
john-davidgeYeah, thanks for all the reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337851 recently. I've addressed most of the comments so far today.15:42
carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: Will take another look.15:42
john-davidgearmax: Before I push the new patch, I'd love to get your feedback on the comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337851/12/neutron/plugins/ml2/plugin.py15:43
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john-davidgecarl_baldwin: New patch is still sitting on my machine, will ping you when it's ready :)15:43
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carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: great, I'll hold.15:43
* haleyb on edge of his seat too :)15:43
armaxjohn-davidge: will do15:44
john-davidgearmax: Thanks :)15:44
haleybcarl_baldwin: i need to update the OSC side, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342976/ but think it's pretty close15:44
carl_baldwinCool.15:45
john-davidgemlavalle: I'm hoping we don't need to change the approach at this late stage, but I'm ready to do so if necessary15:45
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carl_baldwinThere is also the gerrit topic, which is getting smaller: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/routed-networks15:45
mlavallejohn-davidge: it is not a big deal. Specially since your extension is really only the extend subnet dictionary15:45
john-davidgehaleyb: A heads up for the osc work, as per a comment on the service-subnets patch I'm changing the property to subnet['service_types']15:46
john-davidgeUnless there are any objections15:46
mlavalleIt would be a pretty easy change15:46
john-davidgemlavalle: I hope so. I've taken a look at the patch you linked to, thanks for that15:47
carl_baldwinWhat was it before agani?15:47
carl_baldwin*again15:47
haleybjohn-davidge: i don't know if i object yet, i thought this was like dns_nameserver vs dns_nameservers that exist already?15:47
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: subnet['service_type'] - no plural15:47
carl_baldwinAh, no objection from e.15:48
carl_baldwin*me15:48
* carl_baldwin can't seem to hit the right keys15:48
john-davidgehaleyb: So far we'd been using service_type, but service_types makes more sense with it being a list15:48
* mlavalle fears he has passed that bug to carl_baldwin15:48
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haleybjohn-davidge: as long as i can tweak the OSC code accordingly i'll be fine, will just wait for your update15:48
john-davidgehaleyb: Cool, will ping you when it's ready15:49
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carl_baldwinThat's all I have.15:49
john-davidgeme too15:49
mlavalleThanks carl_baldwin, john-davidge and haleyb for the update15:50
mlavalle#topic BGP Dynamic Routing15:50
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tidwellr_I don't have much of an update today15:50
tidwellr_steve_ruan: anything on your end?15:51
tidwellr_he's not here, I think we can move on15:51
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mlavalleCool, I was looking the clock15:52
mlavalle#topic FWaaS15:52
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mlavalleI just tried to ping njohnston|PTO and as you can see, he is off15:53
mlavalleMoving on...15:53
mlavalle#topic Conversion to Pluggable IPAM15:53
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mlavallecarl_baldwin: anything to discuss on this topic?15:54
carl_baldwinWe need to get that bug fixed with rollback.15:54
carl_baldwinBut, we already discussed it. I'm going to take a look today.15:55
mlavalleCool. Thanks15:55
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: Do you know anything about it?15:55
carl_baldwinhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160316215:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1603162 in neutron "IP deallocation failed on external system with pluggable IPAM" [High,New] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)15:55
johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: no15:55
johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: I will ping pavel_bondar15:56
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mlavallejohnbelamaric: Thanks!15:57
mlavalleMoving on then...15:57
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mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:57
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mfranc213_hello15:58
mlavalleHi mfranc213_15:58
mfranc213_sorry i'm late to this party; i'm filling in for njohnston today15:58
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: Thanks.15:58
mfranc213_couple things regarding fwaas:15:58
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mfranc213_getting some traction on the L3 extension manager: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339246/915:59
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mfranc213_and the fwaas team has we have started work on defining the RPC resource for FWaaS: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347092/15:59
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mfranc213_the fwaas L3 agent extension is also getting a bit of traction: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337699/216:00
mfranc213_that's it.  again. apologies for missing my cue earlier.16:00
elmikois the l3 meeting still going?16:00
mlavallemfranc213_: thanks16:00
mlavalle#endmeeting16:00
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mfranc213_thing we just finished16:00
openstackMeeting ended Thu Jul 28 16:00:32 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:00
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elmikothanks16:00
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elmiko#startmeeting api wg16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 28 16:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
mlavalleelmiko: the room is all yours:-)16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'api_wg'16:00
elmiko#chair cdent elmiko etoews16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent elmiko etoews16:00
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cdentbonjour16:01
elmikohola16:01
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elmiko#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda16:02
elmiko#topic start a "what's happening in the wide world of APIs" section of the newsletter?16:02
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elmikonot sure who added this, but it sounds cool16:02
cdenta) that's a good idea, b) I'm so time sliced that I'm completely out of touch with the wide world of apis, which is rather a bad thing given this group...16:03
elmiko++16:03
cdentin good news we have a new guideline (or rather a clarification to an existing one): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346846/16:05
elmiko#topic guidelines16:05
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elmikoat first glance, that guideline proposal seems ok to me16:08
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cdentit's based on some discussion surrounding the placement api stuff I've been workingon16:08
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elmikowait, am i looking at the one you are talking about? (clear the case if the version string isn't parsable)16:09
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cdentyes16:09
elmikok16:09
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cdentsorry, I gotta go16:13
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elmikoanyone else here for the meeting?16:14
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elmiko#endmeeting16:17
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darrenchello, who's here?21:37
someara2I'm here21:38
katomogood morning21:38
darrenchi someara2 katomo21:38
darrencnot sure where shilla is21:38
someara2Can we continue whilst waiting for her?21:42
darrencYeah, I guess I can chair the meeting21:43
darrencsorry just looking up the meeting commands21:44
someara2No problem.21:45
darrenc#start meeting ops_guide21:46
darrenc#startmeeting ops_guide21:46
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 28 21:46:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is darrenc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:46
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darrencok, who's here?21:47
katomoo/21:47
someara2me21:47
darrenc#topic Action items from the previous meeting21:48
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darrencIncorporated enterprise ops documentation in the ops guide21:48
darrencso shilla provided some ops docs that I added to the Ops Guide21:48
darrencI received a lot of feedback and suggestsion from operators21:49
darrencsuggestions*21:49
darrencin particular, it was RabbitMQ troubleshooting information21:49
darrencSo shilla is going to provide more troubleshooting information to add to the Ops Guide21:50
someara2Thats great21:50
darrencyep, I'm seeing what I can source as well21:50
katomogood21:51
darrenc#action Shilla to provide more enterprise ops documentation21:51
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darrencA few ops guide bugs were resolved bugs resolved: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/158042421:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1580424 in openstack-manuals "error in OpenStack architecture picture" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Darren Chan (dazzachan)21:53
darrenchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/137562321:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1375623 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 14. Backup and Recovery in OpenStack Operations Guide - missing: Horizon Celiometer Swift Heat " [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Darren Chan (dazzachan)21:53
katomoyay21:53
darrencok, moving on21:54
darrenc#topic bug spotlight21:54
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darrencthere's a few outstanding bugs for the Ops Guide:21:55
darrenchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/145776721:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1457767 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed]21:55
darrenchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/145777021:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1457770 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed]21:55
darrenchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/145776821:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1457768 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed]21:55
darrenchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/149911421:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1499114 in openstack-manuals "Document tools for Network Troubleshooting" [Undecided,Fix released]21:55
darrencAnyone want to volunteer to fix these?21:56
darrencI guess not :)21:57
darrenc#topic Arch Guide21:57
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someara2I would, but I need to understand the scope of work first21:57
someara2Sorry, to slow.21:57
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darrencSometimes the bug description will mention whats needs to be done21:58
darrencotherwise you can email the bug reporter for more details21:59
someara2I was looking at it, I can pick it up.21:59
darrencgreat, thanks someara2 :)21:59
someara2At least the logging and monitoring ones for now.21:59
darrencexcellent21:59
darrencthanks22:00
darrencso we've formed a working group for the Arch Guide22:00
darrencand we've been meeting up weekly on Wednesday at 2000 UTC22:01
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someara2The focus has been on getting the strucutre right.22:02
darrencMeeting minutes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-guide-working-group22:02
someara2*structure22:03
darrencyep, it been nice to the guide progressing forward, thanks to someara2 and ben silverman22:03
darrencit's*22:03
darrencsee*22:03
darrencI think I need coffee ;)22:04
katomo:)22:05
someara2Thanks for all the support Darren, dealing with us doc's newbies.22:05
darrencnp22:05
darrencfyi, our work items are listed in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_restructure_work_items22:06
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darrencis there anything we need to discuss regarding the Arch Guide?22:07
darrencelse*22:07
someara2Just as general heads up, the content will start to follow fairly soon22:07
darrencthanks22:07
someara2we are building the TOC and creating place holders. so if reviewers could focus on structure22:07
someara2and not content at this stage it would help.22:08
darrenccool22:08
someara2Other than that, no further comments from me.22:08
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darrencfyi, there's a few patches for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347962/22:09
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darrenchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/347577/22:09
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darrenchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/341318/22:09
darrenchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/337441/22:09
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someara2Alex has been busy, she has comments in almost all of them.22:11
darrencThe only comment I have is to make sure we can reuse as much of the existing content in the current arch guide22:11
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someara2Agreed.22:11
katomo+122:11
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darrencSo I put all the mitaka changes openstack-manuals/doc/arch-design-draft/source/arch-guide-draft-mitaka22:13
darrencand as I've been migrating content across to the new structure, I've deleted files in the that folder22:14
darrencanyway, if anyone else wants to help as well, that would be great22:15
someara2Ok, I wondered about that.22:15
darrencthere's a lot of information on operator requirements22:16
darrencthat some operators had written in the last release cycle22:16
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someara2My suggestion is that we try and use that in the 'Use Case' Sections.22:17
darrencok, thanks22:18
darrencI'll have a look at it next week22:18
darrenc#topic open discussion22:18
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someara2I will try and look at it during the next week.22:18
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darrencok22:19
darrencanything else to discuss?22:19
darrencactually I have one thing22:19
darrencI'm not sure who is attending the ops midcycle, but it would be nice to propose an ops guide session22:20
darrencanyway, I can chat to Shilla about it22:21
someara2Perhaps Ben could make it.22:21
darrencyeah22:22
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darrencI won't be going22:22
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darrencok, anything else to discuss?22:23
someara2nope22:23
darrenccool22:23
darrencthanks everyone22:23
darrenc#endmeeting22:24
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Jul 28 22:24:04 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)22:24
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-07-28-21.46.html22:24
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-07-28-21.46.txt22:24
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-07-28-21.46.log.html22:24
someara2Cheers22:24
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