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| tidwellr | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 7 15:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tidwellr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| njohnston | \o/ | 15:00 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:01 |
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| tidwellr | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
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| tidwellr | Newton-2 is next week | 15:02 |
| tidwellr | not sure about everyone else but it doesn't seem to be flying by as fast this cycle, maybe I'm just out of touch :) | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Just you tidwellr | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | lol | 15:03 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: I figured :) | 15:03 |
| tidwellr | mid-cycle is coming up 17-19 August 2016 | 15:04 |
| tidwellr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 15:04 |
| tidwellr | etherpad ^^^ | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | I got my travel approval yesterday and I am all booked now! | 15:04 |
| john-davidge | woop! | 15:05 |
| tidwellr | oh yeah, the agenda for this meeting is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:05 |
| tidwellr | any other announcements I missed? | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Talks submission deadline for Barcelona is July 13th | 15:06 |
| tidwellr | mlavalle: thanks, that one slipped my mind | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | I got your back, partner :-) | 15:07 |
| tidwellr | I need all the backup I can get! | 15:07 |
| tidwellr | anything else before we move on? | 15:07 |
| tidwellr | #topic Bugs | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:08 | |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596075 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596075 in neutron "Neutron confused about overlapping subnet creation" [High,Incomplete] | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | I tried to replicate that one a few days ago | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | without luck | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | the reporter then wrote a python script that repliactes the issue | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | that remove heat out of the equation | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | removes^^^ | 15:09 |
| tidwellr | I see it, is that the code included in the second to last comment? | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | he ha 3 api servers, which I don't. Can someone here can test this easily with more than 1 api server? | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | the last comment actually has a gist | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | with the whole script. So it can be easily downloaded | 15:11 |
| tidwellr | oh, ok | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'd like to look in to how nginx is doing round-robin. I wonder if it is doing something funny. | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | We can also ask him to repliacte the failure and post the logs from the 3 servers while the test was running | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: That could help. | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | ok, I'll post a comment later today. I will also ask him for his nginx setup | 15:14 |
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| johndperkins | I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1493945, l3 agent router scheduling fails under load, I haven't quite replicated the failure but I'm close if anyone has time to take a peek. | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493945 in neutron "Router scheduling at network node fails under scale" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to John Perkins (john-d-perkins) | 15:15 |
| * mlavalle waves at Perks | 15:16 | |
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| johndperkins | hey hey miguel! | 15:16 |
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| tidwellr | johndperkins: thanks for pointing that out | 15:16 |
| johndperkins | hopefully this was an appropriate time to mention that | 15:16 |
| tidwellr | we are going through bugs right now, so no worries | 15:16 |
| tidwellr | johndperkins: anything else you wanted to discuss before chat about the next bug? | 15:17 |
| johndperkins | I'm good | 15:17 |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1599329 | 15:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599329 in neutron "Potential regression on handing over DHCP addresses to VMs" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 15:17 |
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| tidwellr | this seems to be showing up in the gate from time to time, not sure what else there is to say about it at the moment | 15:19 |
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| tidwellr | anybody have anything to add? | 15:20 |
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| tidwellr | if not we can move on | 15:20 |
| tidwellr | #topic Routed Networks | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Routed Networks (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:21 | |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we've made some progress on deferred port binding. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll have a new patch up today. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Still need to get DHCP in shape. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Is blogan around? | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: You have anything? | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | I just had a conversation with Chris Dent of the Nova team | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | I requested his guidance of how to deploy g-r-p patches in my test environment | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | So I will start playing with it | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | Great. | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | He indicated that the api itself and the inventories functionality should be ok | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | no integration with aggregates yet | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | I'll keep pushing forward on that front | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | that's all | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Make senses. WIP | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | Yeah, I want to push a patchset on the Neutron side with atht interaction as early as possible | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | The arliest, the more time we will have to mature it | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | agreed | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: haleyb: I read through the service subnets patch yesterday. Any questions about that? | 15:27 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Yeah, thanks for your comments! I've been working on a new patch since haleyb posted it, looking to put it up for review by the end of the week | 15:28 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: So far progress is good, already quite different to what's there now | 15:28 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: i need to respond to your comments, but i really just threw something over the wall (it doesn't work as-is) | 15:28 |
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| haleyb | john-davidge: good to see you're making progress | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: great, let me know when something else needs review. | 15:29 |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Will do, and thanks to haleyb for getting the ball rolling | 15:29 |
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| haleyb | john-davidge: i will work on the OSC changes based on my neutronclient patch | 15:30 |
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| john-davidge | haleyb: Cool, let me know when you need reviews | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | I think that's all we have going on with routed networks. | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: thanks for the update | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | lots going on here | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | #topic Conversion to Pluggable IPAM | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Conversion to Pluggable IPAM (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:32 | |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:33 |
| tidwellr | it seems like we haven't touched on this in a while | 15:33 |
| tidwellr | pavel_bondar: I wanted to give you some air time | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | We've got to get this done. I think we might have some test failures to look in to in the API tests. | 15:33 |
| pavel_bondar | The review to switch to pluggable ipam is here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181023/ | 15:34 |
| pavel_bondar | I have not looked deeply into this API test failures | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | pavel_bondar: could you use some help? | 15:34 |
| pavel_bondar | yes, if someone could look into it, it would be great | 15:35 |
| pavel_bondar | I am working on openstack just part time right now, so can spend a lot of time on it | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | I can probably carve out some time tomorrow to look in to it. | 15:36 |
| tidwellr | pavel_bondar: is it neutron.tests.tempest.api.test_auto_allocated_topology.TestAutoAllocatedTopology that seems to be failing consistently? | 15:36 |
| tidwellr | or do we have different tests bombing out on each run? | 15:37 |
| pavel_bondar | yes, looks like that one | 15:37 |
| pavel_bondar | I see there is a fix merged for it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337863/ | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | are we just hung up on the API test failures then? | 15:38 |
| pavel_bondar | yes | 15:38 |
| pavel_bondar | by the way there were several succesful passes before this failure | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Thanks. | 15:39 |
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| pavel_bondar | so that is probably it from my side | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | pavel_bondar: thanks for the update, I'll see if I can carve out some time as well | 15:40 |
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| tidwellr | #topic FWaaS | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:40 | |
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| tidwellr | I'm jumping around the agenda today, sorry | 15:40 |
| njohnston | No problem | 15:40 |
| njohnston | So, the l3 agent extension spec is merged, and work is coming along on the change to generalize the agent extension framework: https://review.openstack.org/329701 | 15:41 |
| njohnston | I think that is not far from landing. | 15:41 |
| njohnston | In order to make use of the l3 agent extension, we are getting going working on the (WIP) FWaaS L3 agent extension implementation: https://review.openstack.org/337699 | 15:42 |
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| njohnston | After the generic agent extension interface stabilizes, will work with boden to migrate applicable agent code to neutron-lib, per discussion in the neutron-lib meeting yesterday. | 15:42 |
| njohnston | So progress is being made, and soon I think we'll be able to have working code for an l3 agent extension manager and FWaaS being loaded as an l3 agent extension. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | njohnston: sounds like good progress | 15:44 |
| tidwellr | njohnston: the generalized agent extension framework is good stuff, glad to see it coming along | 15:44 |
| njohnston | I'm feeling optimistic about it. | 15:44 |
| tidwellr | njohnston: thanks, anything else to share? | 15:45 |
| njohnston | Nope, that' | 15:45 |
| njohnston | that's it for me | 15:45 |
| tidwellr | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BGP Dynamic Routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:45 | |
| tidwellr | I'm slowly making progress on getting the tempest plugin and gate hook in place for neutron-dynamic-routing | 15:46 |
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| tidwellr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335310/ | 15:47 |
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| tidwellr | we've got got a patch for getting BGP peering stats in progress as well | 15:47 |
| tidwellr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334397/ | 15:48 |
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| tidwellr | we're just working through what data should exposed and the mechanics of the RPC interaction with the BGP agent | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Are you getting enough reviews on this repo? | 15:49 |
| tidwellr | I think so, the activity with bugs and patches being proposed is trending up | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | good | 15:50 |
| tidwellr | still, my first priority is the CI | 15:50 |
| tidwellr | we need it in place ASAP | 15:51 |
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| tidwellr | I also have been meaning to ping armax about the status neutron-api, that's another item we'll need to meet the stadium criteria | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | ok | 15:52 |
| tidwellr | steve_ruan: anything to add? | 15:52 |
| * njohnston is interested in what he says about neutron-api as well | 15:52 | |
| steve_ruan | no update | 15:52 |
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| tidwellr | alright | 15:53 |
| tidwellr | #topic Open Discussion | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:53 | |
| tidwellr | if we missed anything, now's the time to chat about it | 15:53 |
| tidwellr | going once... | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313291/. It is essentially what you had already approved after some rebases | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: user | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: sure | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | dyslexic fingers | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | I do that all the time, so no worries | 15:55 |
| pavel_bondar | I have addressed comments for #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323345/ today, so feel free to review | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Sorry that dropped off the radar. | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: ok | 15:56 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: np whatsoever | 15:56 |
| tidwellr | anything else? | 15:58 |
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| tidwellr | thanks everyone! | 15:58 |
| tidwellr | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 15:58:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-07-07-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-07-07-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-07-07-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| carl_baldwin | Bye, thanks! | 15:59 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 7 16:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:00 |
| elmiko | heyo/ | 16:00 |
| etoews | #chair elmiko cdent | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| etoews | good day | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | definitely, although i think it's gonna rain here :/ | 16:01 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| etoews | #topic proposal for a new Glance schema for v2/schemas/member response | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "proposal for a new Glance schema for v2/schemas/member response (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:02 | |
| etoews | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1585917/comments/3 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585917 in Glance "member-create will raise 500 error if member-id is greater than 255 characters" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane) | 16:02 |
| etoews | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-image-v2.html#showImageMemberSchema | 16:02 |
| etoews | take it away rosmaita | 16:02 |
| rosmaita | so i don't type a bunch of json in here, take a look at this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/member-schema-situation | 16:02 |
| rosmaita | problem is that the current schema describes the response, but not the request | 16:03 |
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| elmiko | ooph | 16:03 |
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| elmiko | is there a non-historical reason why so much information is passed through the path for creation? | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | not sure, but the idea is a member is a resource on another resource | 16:04 |
| elmiko | ah, ok. so the path info actually helps to locate the resource, is that accurate? | 16:05 |
| rosmaita | it seemed like a good idea at the time | 16:05 |
| rosmaita | yes | 16:05 |
| elmiko | ok, thanks. yeah, i'm not casting any opinion about the usage, just trying to understand =) | 16:06 |
| rosmaita | so the sketch on comment/3 on that bug linked above is an attempt to be backward compatable as far as request/response goes | 16:06 |
| rosmaita | because another proposal is to accept *either* member: or member_id: on the request | 16:06 |
| rosmaita | which we'd prefer to avoid | 16:07 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: :) | 16:07 |
| elmiko | is that bug based on the member_id being passed in the url, which then becomes too long? | 16:07 |
| rosmaita | no, it's that in the member-detail response, it's identified as "member_id" | 16:08 |
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| rosmaita | but in the member-create request, it's identified as "member" | 16:08 |
| elmiko | ahh, got it | 16:08 |
| elmiko | thanks | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | np | 16:08 |
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| rosmaita | i just wanted to float this idea and see what y'all think of that schema | 16:09 |
| elmiko | seems like making the body accept schema a little looser is one way to solve this | 16:09 |
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| elmiko | would the team ever plan to deprecate one or the other? | 16:10 |
| cdent | what would the negatives of accepting both be? | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | just general ugliness | 16:10 |
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| rosmaita | not sure about deprecation | 16:10 |
| * cdent looks around | 16:10 | |
| cdent | :D | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | the new schema would allow us to codify the current practice, wouldn't need to deprecate anything | 16:11 |
| cdent | I think that's better than leaving it as it is | 16:12 |
| elmiko | the schema looks fine to me, i don't have a strong feeling about the inclusion of both names. it seems to be solving a difficult issue, i'd be ok with it. | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | i'm curious what you think of it as an approach where you have asymmetric request/response bodies | 16:13 |
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| rosmaita | or is it a bad practice to have asymmetric request/response bodies in the first place | 16:13 |
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| elmiko | well, my preference would be to quash the asymmetry, but that may not be an option here | 16:13 |
| cdent | rosmaita: that's a religious question | 16:13 |
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| elmiko | exactly.. ;) | 16:13 |
| cdent | orthodoxy would say it is bad | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | cdent: i am a lapsed restafarian | 16:14 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:14 |
| cdent | most people are (I am) | 16:14 |
| elmiko | given the state of things, i'm not sure there is a better solution. i mean, changing the values leads to the path of deprecation, which leads to madness.... \o/ | 16:15 |
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| elmiko | or, alternatively, creating some new endpoints for members. which sounds undesirable from my understanding | 16:15 |
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| rosmaita | elmiko: definitely undesirable from my perspective! | 16:16 |
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| rosmaita | quick technical question: i have everything marked readOnly in the response, even status | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | which is *not* readonly in #/definitions/image-member-update-request | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | not sure that's correct | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | i was thinking, you cannot submit the #/definitions/image-member-detail-response as a request body | 16:18 |
| elmiko | if it's the response, i wouldn't think it should matter | 16:18 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's basically my question | 16:18 |
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| rosmaita | ok, this has been helpful ... don't know what way glance will go on this, but i wanted to get some early feedback on this option | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | thank you! | 16:19 |
| * cdent needs to level up on json schema | 16:19 | |
| cdent | thank you rosmaita, it's nice having people come round for a visit | 16:20 |
| elmiko | yeah, i'd have to check my jsonschema notes. that stuff is way too dense for me to remember it all ;P | 16:20 |
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| etoews | i'm heavily distracted here. please carry on without me. | 16:20 |
| elmiko | cdent++ | 16:20 |
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| elmiko | #topic guidelines | 16:22 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:22 |
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| cdent | I need to decide what to do about the details boolean example in the url guideline | 16:22 |
| elmiko | that list has shrunk considerably | 16:22 |
| * elmiko looks | 16:22 | |
| elmiko | cdent: what does json permit for boolean values? | 16:24 |
| cdent | true or false | 16:24 |
| cdent | but that's not really the issue | 16:24 |
| cdent | we don't want to cloud the example there by having something fuzzy | 16:24 |
| elmiko | right, i was more curious about the possibility of relying on the json standard for the language used in the uri | 16:25 |
| cdent | so I need a different way to say the right thing without needing an ambiguous answer | 16:25 |
| cdent | I suppose that might be oka | 16:25 |
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| elmiko | i totally get the ambiguity issue, but i'm not sure i like the idea of using something like `?details` `?nodetails` | 16:26 |
| elmiko | i mean, at least that is clearer i suppose | 16:26 |
| elmiko | i dunno, maybe that is the best idea | 16:26 |
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| cdent | It doesn't need to be a stopper, but it seems people will read anything put there as normative (I could warn that it is not?) | 16:27 |
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| elmiko | yea, agreed | 16:28 |
| cdent | ✔ | 16:28 |
| elmiko | i guess the question is, do we advise using some sort of boolean values, or as Dolph suggests, do we recommend a well defined default with a param for switching it | 16:29 |
| elmiko | gotta say, that his suggestion does seem to reduce ambiguitiy at the cost of no clear standard for boolean options | 16:30 |
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| elmiko | i mean, the parameter key will be whatever you choose basically | 16:30 |
| * cdent nods | 16:30 | |
| cdent | I'll meditate upon these things and make a new version. It doesn't feel like we're going to have a clear insight today. | 16:32 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:33 |
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| cdent | my ride (my sister) is departing soon, so I may need to bail out soon | 16:34 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:34 |
| elmiko | should we merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330687 ? | 16:34 |
| cdent | yes | 16:34 |
| elmiko | ok, done | 16:35 |
| elmiko | got my review for this cycle in ;P | 16:35 |
| elmiko | seems like we could merge this too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330876 | 16:36 |
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| cdent | yup, done | 16:36 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:36 |
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| elmiko | should we work up a new version of the newsletter quickly? | 16:38 |
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| cdent | yeah, best you be the poster this time since I might disapper | 16:38 |
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| elmiko | ok, should be pretty easy. looks like not much new happening. although i'll note those 2 reviews we merged | 16:39 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:41 |
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| cdent | just for reference | 16:41 |
| elmiko | is that preferred over the wiki copy? | 16:41 |
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| cdent | we've tended to edit that one for each new version | 16:42 |
| cdent | since there's usually much of the same stuff | 16:42 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 16:42 |
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| cdent | edit each section, add an intro at the top, done | 16:42 |
| cdent | I've removed the intro, but can't think of what to put there this time | 16:43 |
| elmiko | should i add that stuff in the etherpad then? | 16:43 |
| elmiko | i'll make something up ;) | 16:43 |
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| cdent | ✔ | 16:44 |
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| cdent | looks good | 16:46 |
| elmiko | ok, added a little intro and removed old links. otherwise, i think you did the heavy lifting of adding the new links =) | 16:46 |
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| elmiko | cool, i'll ship it! | 16:47 |
| elmiko | should we close up shop then? | 16:47 |
| cdent | yeah, reckon so | 16:47 |
| elmiko | k, take care =) | 16:47 |
| elmiko | o/ | 16:47 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 16:48:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-07-07-16.00.html | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-07-07-16.00.txt | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-07-07-16.00.log.html | 16:48 |
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| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 7 17:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | courtesy ping: kzaitsev_mb mfedosin olaph sskripnick1 igormarnat_ ddovbii__ | 17:00 |
| docaedo | I figure we should have a *few* people today considering all the work that's been going on during the last week :) | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 17:01 |
| sskripnick1 | ршнщ | 17:02 |
| sskripnick1 | hiyo =) | 17:02 |
| docaedo | Hello! Looks like we have enough folks today | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:02 | |
| docaedo | I'll give a quick one | 17:03 |
| docaedo | I had an action item to talk to infra about swift | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | It will not be a problem, they will manually create the swift bucket (or whatever the proper term is) and the access secrets will be kept in hiera | 17:03 |
| docaedo | the puppet manifest to deploy glare on the app catalog server will have a spot for auth in the config template and puppet will make it all work right | 17:04 |
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| docaedo | same goes for DB via trove, so we'll get access credentials and it'll just be plugged into the template | 17:04 |
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| docaedo | OK that's it for my updates, kzaitsev_mb do you want to go next? | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I don't have much apart from the letter I've written yesterday on the layout of dahsboards | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/098907.html | 17:06 |
| docaedo | saw that letter, looked really good - I'll respond today as well to hopefully keep some attention on it | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/apps-dashboard-structure | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'm planning to continue working on the patches, to make them green | 17:07 |
| docaedo | excellent | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | meanwhile we can start throwing some ideas about the layout | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | planning to do so myself too =) | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I still have an AI to go ask around the infra team about possibility to reuse gerrit groups though | 17:08 |
| docaedo | yep, that could have an impact on sskripnick1 work (which is also the next topic) | 17:08 |
| sskripnick1 | I started working on glare 1.0 api #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337633/ | 17:09 |
| docaedo | #topic Glare 0.1 API status (sskripnick) | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glare 0.1 API status (sskripnick) (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:09 | |
| docaedo | all yours sskripnick1 | 17:09 |
| sskripnick1 | And I'd like to ask about experimental 0.1 glare API | 17:10 |
| mfedosin | sskripnick1: shoot | 17:10 |
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| sskripnick1 | mfedosin: what do you mean? =) | 17:11 |
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| sskripnick1 | so are we going to merge it? or we about to wait for 1.0? | 17:11 |
| mfedosin | sskripnick1: it means "go ahead" | 17:11 |
| sskripnick1 | mfedosin: oh, ok) | 17:11 |
| sskripnick1 | I mean we can skip glare 0.1 at all | 17:12 |
| mfedosin | one unpleasant thing I want to mention after today glance community meeting... | 17:12 |
| mfedosin | glance ptl wants to postpone code merging | 17:12 |
| mfedosin | because he has no time for review | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | that's unfortunate, but not a huge deal I think for us | 17:13 |
| sskripnick1 | does it mean that we should finish 0.1? | 17:13 |
| mfedosin | I think there are 2 possibilities | 17:13 |
| mfedosin | to take unmerged code | 17:14 |
| mfedosin | and use it in app-catalog | 17:14 |
| mfedosin | now it's pretty stable and code coverage is good | 17:14 |
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| mfedosin | or wait till it's merged, but I can't predict now when it happens | 17:15 |
| mfedosin | also we can discuss moving glare to separate project | 17:15 |
| sskripnick1 | so we have 3 options: use 1.0 right now, finish 0.1, or do nothing =) | 17:16 |
| docaedo | I think for our purposes, we can start my putting the glare code right in app-catalog as long as it's sitting in a way that will be easy to replace with upstream repo at a later date | 17:16 |
| mfedosin | I choose first | 17:16 |
| docaedo | we would have to have a ML conversation to get consensus on that decision | 17:17 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: do you want to merge the whole glare's code in app-catalog? | 17:17 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: I am just thinking about it :) Maybe it'd be better to have a new repo to hold a fork of glance just for the glare stuff | 17:18 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: then when glare is merged, we only have to chance the origin | 17:18 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: frankly speaking it's the best suggestion | 17:19 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: best idea though is to start a mailing list thread about this, and I would say (considering the history of glare resistance we sometimes see) we make it clear that we're talking about a fork just for the purposes of running it for the app catalog | 17:19 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: I agree too | 17:19 |
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| sskripnick1 | I like it more then working on 0.1 and then migrating to 1.0 | 17:19 |
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| mfedosin | sskripnick1: ++ | 17:20 |
| sskripnick1 | we need to implement 1.0 anyways | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sskripnick1: sounds fair =) | 17:20 |
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| mfedosin | and in this case we don't need to think about migrations | 17:20 |
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| sskripnick1 | ok. so I will be working on 1.0 | 17:21 |
| docaedo | my only question is how to do this in a way that keeps all the work and reviews in glance, but gives us a stable commit to point at for the app-catalog deployment? | 17:21 |
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| sskripnick1 | just keep glare 1.0 patches on review, and "backport" changes to fork | 17:23 |
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| mfedosin | sskripnick1: correct | 17:23 |
| mfedosin | and we'll be able to use glance ci | 17:24 |
| * olaph forgot to wave | 17:24 | |
| docaedo | ok that makes sense - I also have an expectation that we only backport critical/security changes | 17:24 |
| docaedo | the way the app-catalog server works right now is that it watches the app-catalog repo for changes, and if/when it finds something new in the repo it's checked out and immediately live | 17:25 |
| mfedosin | seems so, v1 api won't change anyway | 17:25 |
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| docaedo | It would be best to follow that same continuous delivery approach for the glare work, just means we have to be thoughtful about anything that impacts existing data, etc. | 17:25 |
| docaedo | but if we can do that, we'll be able to keep it up to date without having to schedule downtime or service interruptions with the infra team | 17:26 |
| mfedosin | do we have some time on testing app-catalog+glare v1? | 17:28 |
| sskripnick1 | we need some time to implement it first =) | 17:29 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: do you mean will with have time to test? We can set our own schedule so we can do lots of testing | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | for example a week, when we'll test it and everything | 17:29 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: yeah I think we'll have to do this in two phases | 17:29 |
| docaedo | I would suggest phase 1) we test on a VM that is prepared to act like an infra node managed by puppet, but the puppet runs are triggered by cron to happen locally every 15 minutes | 17:30 |
| docaedo | That would copy the way things work when managed by infra's puppet-master | 17:30 |
| docaedo | and would be happening in a VM that we can get into to fix things/reset things when they break | 17:30 |
| docaedo | when we are comfortable with that, we can request phase 2 - infra setting up a testing VM (test.apps.openstack.org or something) | 17:31 |
| sskripnick1 | Actual infra resources may be used. Like staging.apps.openstack.org | 17:31 |
| docaedo | and we validate that works properly for a week or however long before switching DNS | 17:31 |
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| docaedo | sskripnick1: yes that's true, but the problem is when something goes wrong with that, we can't SSH into it to look at what went wrong | 17:32 |
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| docaedo | sskripnick1: if you guys are confident it'll be solid and not require much trouble-shooting or debugging, we can jump right to asking infra to set up a staging instance for us | 17:32 |
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| sskripnick1 | docaedo: setting own vm is good,but im not sure how much time we need to this | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: vm is good | 17:34 |
| sskripnick1 | docaedo: I hope it will not take much time | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | sskripnick1: we'll work together to make it done asap | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | afaik v0.1 code is almost done | 17:35 |
| docaedo | sskripnick1: I have a feeling we will need some more work once there's a full instance running - like making sure previous asset owners can still modify their entries (if possible) | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | so we just need rewrite it to v1 | 17:35 |
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| docaedo | and the admin interface for app-catalog cores to be the only ones who can enable assets (but maybe that's done and I missed it?) | 17:36 |
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| sskripnick1 | docaedo: it is done, I can launch a demo instance | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo the auth part has that partially | 17:37 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | we have some UI things, but those would need some refining I guess | 17:37 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: the partially part has to do with where the group information comes from right? (i.e.launchpad or gerrit) | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sskripnick1: I think docaedo was asking for the UI available for some group of users ) | 17:37 |
| sskripnick1 | launchpad | 17:37 |
| docaedo | right that's the part :) | 17:38 |
| sskripnick1 | kzaitsev_mb: "drafts list" available only for admin groups | 17:38 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sskripnick1: the UI you mean? | 17:38 |
| sskripnick1 | yes | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, I might have missed that commit then ) | 17:39 |
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| mfedosin | what's "drafts list"? | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | a list of queued artifacts? | 17:39 |
| sskripnick1 | there is a tab like "drafted assets" | 17:39 |
| sskripnick1 | this tab isn't available to non admin user | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | asset is an artifact type in terms of glare, right? | 17:40 |
| sskripnick1 | asset is artifact, not type | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | ah, okay | 17:41 |
| sskripnick1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332911/8/openstack_catalog/templates/index.html | 17:41 |
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| sskripnick1 | display:none | 17:41 |
| sskripnick1 | it becomes display:block if user is member of admin group | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: btw, Igor Marnat told me that app-catalog needs data validation and conversion | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | for example, if user upload some Heat template, glare should check if this template is valid | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | the same story for images | 17:42 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: oh that would be nice but that is definitely not a requirement for switching to glare | 17:43 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I see =) cool. We would probably give it a round of UI testing. Like see how well does it go from uploading a draft, to editing, to approving. To see if we missed anything in the UI flow | 17:43 |
| sskripnick1 | mfedosin: so this should be done at app-catalog level? no validation done by glare itself? | 17:43 |
| docaedo | that's a slightly different longer term plan | 17:43 |
| sskripnick1 | kzaitsev_mb: about editing: it seems it not done at all... | 17:43 |
| docaedo | mfedosin sskripnick1 that's a thread he started around the last summit time, to consider how the app catalog could help with a sort of CI check for assets | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | sskripnick1: it will be done in glare - now glare supports this functionality on artifact type level | 17:44 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sskripnick1: the very last commit in the queue attemted at that | 17:44 |
| kzaitsev_mb | s/last/top/ | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: so, if data validation is required we can add it easily | 17:45 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: ok good to hear, I think that's something that will need more conversation before implementation | 17:45 |
| docaedo | but definitely if it's really easy for glare to validate whether or not a heat template is syntactically correct, that's great | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: agree, just wanted to clarify it :) | 17:46 |
| docaedo | how would it validate a glance image though? It's pretty easy to make an image that works on some hypervisor architecture but does not boot on others | 17:46 |
| docaedo | s/glance/machine image/ | 17:47 |
| sskripnick1 | same question | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | I think there are some validators for this | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | going to run now, really happy to see new faces from the glare helping us with the, well glare stuff =) | 17:48 |
| sskripnick1 | have fun) | 17:48 |
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| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: sounds good, thanks for the updates | 17:48 |
| sskripnick1 | we can check if image is valid qcow2 or iso etc | 17:49 |
| docaedo | ah that makes sense | 17:49 |
| sskripnick1 | but we need to actually boot in on hypervisor if we want to be sure | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | and convert them to required format if it's needed | 17:49 |
| docaedo | oh that I would object to | 17:49 |
| docaedo | unless the user has an option - because the user sharing should be able to compare/validate the hash | 17:50 |
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| docaedo | and if the app catalog does things to the images after a user submits, it's impossible for the user to know whether or not someone elses SSH key was injected, etc. | 17:51 |
| docaedo | but not somethign we have to debate today :) | 17:51 |
| docaedo | I think I have an action here, just let me verify with you guys first- | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | we can start with heat template first | 17:51 |
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| docaedo | should I request a new repository as a clone of glare? | 17:52 |
| docaedo | actually now that I type this out, I realize I have a better action item | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | #action Aedo to discuss with infra best way forward for us to carry a fork of glare or else deploy with a squashed patch chain from glance repo | 17:53 |
| docaedo | I've had some conversation with other people around this kind of stuff (olaph you know what I'm saying) | 17:53 |
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| docaedo | and it might be possible for us to specify a chain of reviews we want to carry, and use them together - without having to fork glance and backport stuff | 17:54 |
| docaedo | I even think we might be able to manage that list of reviews/commits in a single file in app-catalog which we could review and maintain that way | 17:54 |
| sskripnick1 | cool | 17:54 |
| docaedo | so I'll discuss more and share details next week - I *think* that might be the best. It sounds complicated, but it will probably be less complicated than trying to manage our own new fork/repo and set of reviews there | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: you're right | 17:55 |
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| docaedo | oh my we're almost out of time! | 17:56 |
| docaedo | this was a good discussion and meeting you guys, thanks for it! | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | thank you for your proposal | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | it absolutely makes sense | 17:56 |
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| docaedo | no prob - I'm excited to make this happen and still (after allllll this time!) I think it will be a nice showcase for glare and all the work you and ativelkov and everyone else has put into it | 17:57 |
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| docaedo | talk to you next week (probably - though I might be on a plane? I need to check my schedule...) | 17:58 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 17:58:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-07-07-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-07-07-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-07-07-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: tbachman: hi | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: hi | 18:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | was waiting for rkukura and ivarlazzaro, but lets get started | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 7 18:01:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#July_7th_2016 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1590390 | 18:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1590390 in Group Based Policy "Cross tenancy issue with neutron" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to ashu (mca-ashu4) | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: you mentioned that this was blocking you | 18:02 |
| hemanthravi | yes, this patch is needed for NFP when services are launched by non-admin tenants | 18:02 |
| hemanthravi | the fix is in this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327033 | 18:03 |
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| hemanthravi | need review on this one | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: so you are relaxing the tenant validation | 18:03 |
| igordcard | hi | 18:03 |
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| hemanthravi | yes only when the user is admin and allowing the user to the l3p of a tenant | 18:04 |
| hemanthravi | this is for the stitching port | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: is the comment in the code accurate, i found it a little confusing and have been kind of stuck at that! | 18:05 |
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| rkukura | hi - sorry I’m late | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi, np | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i was wondering if this relaxation is a bit too open | 18:06 |
| hemanthravi | i'll talk to ashutosh and make the comment clear | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: is there no check for admin required? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i am sure it works this way, but just to make sure that we are not relaxing more than we need to | 18:07 |
| hemanthravi | from what i understood the left of the condition makes it an admin, but will check on that | 18:07 |
| hemanthravi | and add to the comment to make sure it's restrictive, will do this tonight | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay thanks | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i didnt have any other blocking bug on my radar | 18:08 |
| hemanthravi | we are also running into another issue during testing of network functions | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: there were some new bugs created by venkat, i have marked them as incomplete, more information is needed | 18:09 |
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| hemanthravi | this is an old one https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1509458 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509458 in Group Based Policy "[apic mapping] Create group failed due to overlapping IP on external segment " [Medium,Incomplete] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 18:09 |
| hemanthravi | need to figure out a narrower test case to replicate this | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in general if you see here #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bugs?orderby=-importance&memo=75&start=75 | 18:10 |
| hemanthravi | it happens during a run with all the nfp ATF test cases | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have about 100 pending bugs, but more than half of them are in incomplete state | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it would help if the folks who posted the bugs are either able to provide more information, or close these bugs | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | eventually, we will have to just go and close these if there is no follow up | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:12 |
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| hemanthravi | some of these are bugs posted from the NFP review last week | 18:12 |
| hemanthravi | will track these | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: oh yeah, that is right, i will triage and assign them, i was not referring to those | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything to discuss today on packaging? | 18:13 |
| rkukura | nothing new from me on this | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Testing | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so on account of the recent additions to the integration gate job, our test run time has dramatically increased | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it takes almost an hour and a half to run the integration test | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we are in the process of splitting that gate job: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338577/ | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but even if we split, i think we need to profile some of the exercise scripts and check if we can optimize | 18:15 |
| hemanthravi | as discussed, will look at the exec time of nfp gate scripts | 18:16 |
| hemanthravi | haven't gotten around to it yet | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: cool thanks | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: it will help for someone to look at the itegration gate job logs | 18:16 |
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| hemanthravi | ok | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic NFP “configurator” patches | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so a quick update on NFP first | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on Monday, we merged the core NFP patches | 18:17 |
| hemanthravi | thanks to the reviews from the team and sumit in particular for the extensive reviews to make the merge happen | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is a chain of complementary patches which help to perform the services’ configuration over the cloud | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: np | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: you want to summarize the “configurator” patches? | 18:18 |
| hemanthravi | the scope of the config patches is to listen to config rpcs (starting with advanced services) and render them onto the service vms launched by the orchestrator | 18:19 |
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| hemanthravi | involves 2 main components, under the cloud and over the cloud | 18:20 |
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| hemanthravi | all the code has been submitted and we are in process of resolving the gate test failures and adding additonal tests | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: so this will start as “contrib” code, right? | 18:21 |
| hemanthravi | yes, we'll be submitting this under gbpservice/service | 18:21 |
| hemanthravi | and will be making the reqd changes over the next few days | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i believe the plan is to create a new “contrib” directory under gbpservice | 18:22 |
| hemanthravi | yes | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we originally had a contrib directory under gbpservice/test which was meant for testing artifacts | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: igordcard tbachman: any objections to the plan to land this code as “contrib” code? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | over time, we can evaluate the code, and promote it to the main part of the tree as we see it fit | 18:24 |
| * tbachman is fine with that | 18:24 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: there? | 18:25 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: none | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay thanks | 18:26 |
| rkukura | yes - had an interruption | 18:26 |
| rkukura | was just trying to figure out exactly what code is going to be considered contrib | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you mean in the case of these series of patches? | 18:27 |
| rkukura | yes - what is different about these patches that makes them less supported? | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: these have kind of been developed out of the tree | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: they have been tested to work, and they conform to the general design that went into the NFP spec | 18:28 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: however, i see them as complementary to the core framework itself | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but not yet part of the core framework | 18:29 |
| rkukura | is this the only current in-tree way to use the core framework? | 18:30 |
| hemanthravi | and the idea is to get them out to be deployed and move them to them to the main part of the tree with the usage | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thats right, good point | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no | 18:30 |
| rkukura | So the framework itsself cannot be used without these contrib patches? | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the current in-tree NFP framework is self-sufficient, in fact all of it is running the gate jobs | 18:31 |
| rkukura | but is it useful alone? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:31 |
| rkukura | Or are these patches the reference implementation for using the framework? | 18:31 |
| hemanthravi | cuurent framework can be used by anyone developing their own services, orchestrator will provide the lifecycle managemnt with the serice vm providing the required api | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no, they are not the reference implementation, else we would not have merged the patches to begin with | 18:32 |
| hemanthravi | sort of a bring your own network function | 18:32 |
| rkukura | OK, so I am fine with merging them as contrib for now | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:32 |
| hemanthravi | the configurator patches will enable the deployment of the currently available services with advanced services using the nfp framework | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i agree, its a much better way to do it | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so gbpservice/contrib directory structure is fine? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am asking from the packaging perspective | 18:34 |
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| rkukura | I don’t see any issue with using gbpservice/contrib | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, thanks | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: is there anything else you need to discuss on this front? | 18:35 |
| hemanthravi | no, we'll make the changes and post the patches | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay, thanks | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic PTG grouping with an "application" construct | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i was hoping to have a spec in place before the meeting | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i dont, but we have time so i guess we can discuss anyway | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the idea is to define an application grouping resource, say - Application Policy Group (APG), which has a 1 to many relationship with PTGs | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | each PTG can belong to exactly one APG | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | each -> any | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the claim is that this higher level grouping construct can further help in orchestration and intent specification | 18:39 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Can L3Ps and L2Ps be shared across APGs? | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good question | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think they could be | 18:39 |
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| rkukura | I dpm | 18:39 |
| rkukura | I don’t see why not | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at this point i am not sure that this APG needs to have any more properties than a list of PTGs | 18:41 |
| rkukura | So what new does the APG provide that a simple PTG naming convention couldn’t provide? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-), yeah you can use naming convention, but that is fragile | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: however, over time, we can envision adding more properties to this APG, which in turn can be orchestrated over the associated PTGs | 18:42 |
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| rkukura | Did we intend at some point to have heirarchical EPGs? Would that be a more general grouping mechanism? | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you can always argue that APG is just a label | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we definitely had hierarchical PRS | 18:42 |
| rkukura | Maybe thats what I’m thinking of | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but you are right, APG is effectively hierarchical EPG with one level of nesting | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh, and every tenant will have a default APG for backward compatibility | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | well, not just for backward compat, but that will serve for backward compat | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, i will put this in a short spec, so that you all can read and comment | 18:45 |
| rkukura | OK | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else we missed that we want to discuss? | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if not, thanks all for joining! | 18:46 |
| hemanthravi | will need some review time on the config patches sson | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | next week will be more exciting with rkukura and tbachman in person! :-P | 18:46 |
| tbachman | :) | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes | 18:46 |
| * tbachman puts on his party hat | 18:46 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | all right, thanks all | 18:47 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye until next week! | 18:47 |
| hemanthravi | bye | 18:47 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 18:47:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-07-07-18.01.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-07-07-18.01.txt | 18:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-07-07-18.01.log.html | 18:47 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for running the meeting! | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: np | 18:47 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting auc | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 7 19:01:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| shamail | Hi all! Who’s here for the AUC recog meeting? | 19:02 |
| MeganR | o/ - I am also in another meeting, so I may be slower than usual responding | 19:02 |
| shamail | hi MeganR | 19:03 |
| shamail | brb in 1 sec | 19:03 |
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| shamail | Just us MeganR? | 19:06 |
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| MeganR | lol - looks like it | 19:07 |
| shamail | :[ | 19:07 |
| shamail | Any chancce to email Tom or do you want me to take the first stab? | 19:07 |
| shamail | We can probably cancel the meeting for today | 19:07 |
| MeganR | that is fine, I actually have a question about that - brb | 19:08 |
| shamail | sure | 19:08 |
| MeganR | sorry - long story, I won't bore you with it :) | 19:09 |
| shamail | haha | 19:09 |
| MeganR | I was focusing on Tom's email and doc - and missed Jimmy's response until this week | 19:09 |
| shamail | All good… | 19:10 |
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| MeganR | Now, I am wondering if I am overthinking all of this - we have two routinely active WG that do not use IRC. I started an email asking if we can establish an IRC channel to "track" attendance/activity | 19:11 |
| MeganR | I am not certain that we need another "tool" | 19:11 |
| shamail | Good point and I agree | 19:11 |
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| shamail | I think the fact that we only have 2 (and newer ones are all on IRC) probably makes the cost > benefit | 19:11 |
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| MeganR | ok, that's what I was writing, but thought it would be best to bounce that off of you first - that helps take away some of the manual work | 19:12 |
| MeganR | I agree - and that is where all WG seem to be headed, and can be a requirement for future/new WG | 19:12 |
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| shamail | +1 | 19:12 |
| MeganR | ok - otherwise I added a comment to Tom's doc about creating a form for the user submission - that will also help with manual entry | 19:13 |
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| MeganR | but taking out some of the manual processing, made me rethink my approach | 19:13 |
| shamail | I am going to reply to Tom/Jimmy and ask about whether they are just going expose API or help us with calculations as well | 19:13 |
| MeganR | hmm, yes, that is a good point | 19:14 |
| shamail | for example, whether they are only making an API to see meeting attendence or could we ask for an API that gives only eligble attendees (e.g. more than 4 meetings at 25 lines) | 19:14 |
| MeganR | so question - what about WG members that are active, but unable to attend meetings? | 19:15 |
| MeganR | I was thinking that the WG chair could add them to the IRC "bot", since we are only focused on participation. | 19:15 |
| shamail | that would probably be a self-nomination (e.g. going through the review board for AUC) | 19:15 |
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| shamail | Hopefully, there aren’t too many cases of that. | 19:16 |
| MeganR | good point | 19:16 |
| MeganR | that's it from me today | 19:16 |
| shamail | It wont be possible to add them since the logs contain lines spoken by IRC name | 19:16 |
| shamail | so even if the chair mentions them, they wouldn’t show up in the right section of the log | 19:16 |
| shamail | Sounds good! | 19:16 |
| MeganR | actually, that is what I was wondering - if there is some way to "log" participation for the current WG that are not using IRC | 19:16 |
| shamail | not really since the logs capture who said how many lines | 19:17 |
| shamail | it would require adjustments to our scripts if we designated a tag to ID members | 19:17 |
| MeganR | hmm, ok - I may still pose that in my email, just to see if anyone has any ideas or suggestions | 19:17 |
| shamail | possible but probably overkill | 19:17 |
| MeganR | ok | 19:18 |
| shamail | Yes, please do! | 19:18 |
| shamail | Thanks MeganR | 19:18 |
| shamail | See you later | 19:18 |
| MeganR | bye! | 19:18 |
| shamail | I did start the prelim count by the way | 19:18 |
| shamail | havent tallied it yet | 19:18 |
| MeganR | oh cool - I saw your email to the Ops list as well - good forward movement | 19:18 |
| shamail | but I was able to extract Ask OpenStack mods, IRC WG attendees… need to fix the repo stats script | 19:18 |
| shamail | I am thinking I might start an email thread with prelim count early next week | 19:19 |
| shamail | Anyways, thanks for joining! | 19:19 |
| MeganR | awesome, bye! | 19:19 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 19:19:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-07-07-19.01.html | 19:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-07-07-19.01.txt | 19:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-07-07-19.01.log.html | 19:19 |
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