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| tidwellr1 | hi | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 15:00 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr1 | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 15:00:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tidwellr1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| tidwellr1 | #chair mlavalle carl_baldwin | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr1 | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | o/ | 15:01 |
| johndperkins | hi | 15:01 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 15:01 |
| tidwellr1 | mlavalle: here to help :) | 15:01 |
| tidwellr1 | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| johnbelamaric | hello | 15:02 |
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| tidwellr1 | agenda can be found here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
| tidwellr1 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
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| tidwellr1 | getting close to a month out from newton-2 | 15:04 |
| tidwellr1 | http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:04 |
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| tidwellr1 | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | the unrelenting drum beat of the delivery calendar.... | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | lol | 15:05 |
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| tidwellr1 | any other announcements? | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Neutron mid-cycle sprint in Cork Ireland, August 17-19 | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 15:06 |
| tidwellr1 | mlavalle: thanks | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Please note that it was originally announced for August 15-17. So be aware of the change in dates | 15:06 |
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| tidwellr1 | who here is planning on attending? | 15:07 |
| johndperkins | o/ | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | o/, travel approval permitting | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | I am hoping to attend. | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | Travel not yet approved. | 15:08 |
| haleyb | maybe for me | 15:08 |
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| * mlavalle spoke to his boss already. Both confident will get approval | 15:09 | |
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| tidwellr1 | cool, sounds like a good turnout | 15:10 |
| tidwellr1 | wish I could attend.... | 15:10 |
| tidwellr1 | #topic Bugs | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:10 | |
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| tidwellr1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki) | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll check this again tody. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | *today | 15:11 |
| pavel_bondar | the first fix #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300984/ has one +2 | 15:11 |
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| pavel_bondar | the second fix is wip for now and require adding UTs #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323345/ | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: I just approved the first one. | 15:12 |
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| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: great, thanks! | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm still good to go on the approach for the second one. | 15:13 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: good, I think I finish UTs tomorrow for it, or next week in worst case | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: great | 15:14 |
| pavel_bondar | that is it from my side | 15:14 |
| tidwellr1 | pavel_bondar: thanks | 15:14 |
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| tidwellr1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:15 |
| tidwellr1 | I think we're almost to the finish line on this one | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Tests are looking good. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | I think kevinbenton might have been reviewing it when he brought up the mac address thing. | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | He went off and posted a different fix for that issue which would make the flush unnecessary. | 15:17 |
| tidwellr1 | I meant to follow up on the IRC discussion you had with kevinbenton | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327413/ | 15:17 |
| tidwellr1 | I assume this means https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292207/ will need a re-spin? | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | unit tests are failing, I think we should merge yours and take the flush out later. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Would you have any time to review tidwellr1 's patch? | 15:18 |
| haleyb | sure, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292207/ ? | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: I don't see a reason to hold yours ransom while kevinbenton gets his merged. I think yours is ready. | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Yes, that one. | 15:19 |
| tidwellr1 | translation - haleyb would you help us jump off the cliff? :) | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | lol | 15:19 |
| haleyb | tidwellr1: no, but i'll gladly push you off :) | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | yeah, do it :-) | 15:20 |
| tidwellr1 | :) | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | lol | 15:20 |
| * haleyb assumes there is water below this cliff | 15:20 | |
| * tidwellr1 has scoped it out and is sure it's deep enough | 15:21 | |
| mlavalle | above certain height, it doesn't matter | 15:21 |
| njohnston | it's painted blue like in a road runner cartoon | 15:21 |
| tidwellr1 | seriously though, I think we're ready to tie this off | 15:22 |
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| tidwellr1 | after this we need to go create a contract migration and pull out any code related to storing IP availability ranges, so we're not totally complete with this patch | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: that's mostly cosmetic. | 15:23 |
| tidwellr1 | right, that's the easy part :) | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | ... or all cosmetic | 15:23 |
| tidwellr1 | that's all I had on this bug | 15:24 |
| tidwellr1 | #topic Routed Networks | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Routed Networks (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:24 | |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | We're moving along at a good clip. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | The most important things to review are for DHCP scheduling, eed to nail that down, and anything that comes from johnthetubaguy on his topic. | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327009/ | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | The IPAM stuff is all merged. | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy's topic: | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/prep-for-network-aware-scheduling | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/prep-for-network-aware-scheduling | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: beat ya! ;) | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | lol | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like there is a ton of stuff there. | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, starting to make some slow progress on that now | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | a lot of those ptachsets are small | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy likes giving us bite size reviews | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, just trying to get to a minimal port create, with update doing most of the work | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | in one go, it looks like I just "re-wrote some stuff" | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | I like bite size. They are easier to merge in general. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Then, they're done and we can move on. One big patch can suffer death by a thousand cuts. | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Anything else to discuss? | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | just to mention that I am close to have vagrant environment ready | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | let me give you a link | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | #link https://github.com/miguellavalle/routednetworksvagrant | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: thanks | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | it has the first commit. Right now it creates the environment only with vxlan tunnels | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | today I am testing vlans | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | that will be the next commit | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | hopefully tonight or tomorroe | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | tomorrow^^^ | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | and thanks for johnthetubaguy for his great support | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | that's it from me | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. Look cool. I'm anxious to try it out. | 15:32 |
| * carl_baldwin hopes the readme gets a few more bytes soon. :) | 15:33 | |
| carl_baldwin | Anyone else have anything? | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | That's all from me. | 15:33 |
| tidwellr1 | mlavalle carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | yeah, the readme will be extensive | 15:34 |
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| tidwellr1 | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:34 |
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| tidwellr1 | We've merged quite a few docs this week | 15:35 |
| tidwellr1 | the last little bits we need to call the spinout done-done are to get the functional and dsvm-api jobs running | 15:36 |
| tidwellr1 | in the mean time we're beginning to push forward with RFE's | 15:37 |
| tidwellr1 | I'm going to see if I can scare up some help getting the test jobs up and running so we can comply with the new stadium proposal | 15:38 |
| tidwellr1 | that's it from me | 15:38 |
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| tidwellr1 | anything else? | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: Thanks. Sounds like good progress. | 15:39 |
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| tidwellr1 | alright, last but not least | 15:40 |
| tidwellr1 | #topic FWaaS | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:40 | |
| njohnston | So I added a fair amount of detail on the l3 agent extensions spec | 15:40 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315745/ | 15:40 |
| njohnston | mostly diving in to some detail on the l2 agent extension driver and the qos notification driver and how they work | 15:41 |
| njohnston | I hope that provides some of the missing detail, since some of the questions posed are a little murky to me until we get into the implementation | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll read through it tody. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | *today | 15:42 |
| njohnston | Thanks carl_baldwin! | 15:42 |
| * carl_baldwin 's 'a' key seems to be getting a little harder to hit. | 15:42 | |
| njohnston | That's all I have at this point. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Or, /me 's pinky is getting weak | 15:43 |
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| tidwellr1 | njohnston: thanks for the update | 15:44 |
| tidwellr1 | #topic Conversion to Pluggable IPAM | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Conversion to Pluggable IPAM (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:45 | |
| carl_baldwin | So, there are a couple of things going on here. | 15:46 |
| tidwellr1 | did we already touch on whayt we needed to when discussing bugs? | 15:46 |
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| * tidwellr1 retracts that last comment | 15:46 | |
| carl_baldwin | The patch to do the migration is seeing some errors in various tests. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181023/ | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | One +1 from Jenkins after 7 failures on the same patch looked too suspicious. | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | So, we'll be looking in to those. | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Also, we're going to look at testing the migration with some data. | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | But, we're getting there. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | I think that's all. | 15:49 |
| pavel_bondar | I plan to do the tests for migration and dig into failures during next week | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Thanks. | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | I think that's it. | 15:51 |
| tidwellr1 | thanks | 15:51 |
| tidwellr1 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:51 | |
| tidwellr1 | anything we didn't get to that needs some discussion? | 15:52 |
| tidwellr1 | going once.... | 15:52 |
| steve_ruan | Hi Ryan, bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1525059 need more reviews | 15:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1525059 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for external vxlan encapsulation to neutron router" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Na Zhu (nazhu) | 15:53 |
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| steve_ruan | there are 5 patches now | 15:53 |
| tidwellr1 | steve_ruan: thanks for the pointer | 15:53 |
| steve_ruan | anyone can help? | 15:53 |
| steve_ruan | thanks | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | steve_ruan: Is there a topic in gerrit where we can find them easily? | 15:54 |
| steve_ruan | all links in the bug | 15:54 |
| tidwellr1 | steve_ruan: adding a gerrit topic to these would be a nice touch | 15:54 |
| steve_ruan | are in bug description | 15:55 |
| steve_ruan | ok | 15:55 |
| tidwellr1 | I know it helps me find related patches | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | I see them in the bug description now. | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks. | 15:56 |
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| tidwellr1 | steve_ruan: anything you need? just some review attention? | 15:57 |
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| steve_ruan | no | 15:57 |
| tidwellr1 | steve_ruan: thanks | 15:57 |
| steve_ruan | thanks | 15:57 |
| tidwellr1 | last call for topics..... | 15:58 |
| tidwellr1 | alright, thanks everyone! | 15:58 |
| tidwellr1 | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 15:58:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-09-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-09-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-09-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks! | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | thanks! have a nice day | 15:59 |
| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 15:59:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 15:59 |
| elmiko | hi | 15:59 |
| etoews | hi | 15:59 |
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| cdent | hola | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | hello | 16:00 |
| tsymanczyk | hiya | 16:01 |
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| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
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| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-02-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| etoews | nada | 16:01 |
| etoews | actually doing work during the meetings is awesome | 16:02 |
| cdent | did it all during, yeah | 16:02 |
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| etoews | let's move the weekly newsletter until later. we have some guests so let's find out what they're up to. | 16:03 |
| etoews | #topic Glance v2 image sharing enhancement | 16:03 |
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| elmiko | sorry, i'm kinda bifurcated here. dealing with a local fire | 16:03 |
| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-image-visibility-changes-api | 16:03 |
| etoews | rosmaita: that's you right? | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | yep | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | please take a quick look at the etherpad | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | otherwise i will be typing exactly what's there in here | 16:04 |
| * cdent looks | 16:05 | |
| rosmaita | but let me kno wif you need more cotext | 16:05 |
| rosmaita | *context | 16:05 |
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| cdent | rosmaita: the description, in just the context of itself, makes sense | 16:09 |
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| rosmaita | ok | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | also, i should introduce tsymanczyk who is here, he is the author of the spec | 16:10 |
| tsymanczyk | o/ hi again | 16:10 |
| cdent | I'd go for the new workflow, but I'm generally not a good person for questions that involve issues of backwards compatibility because a) I'm not a hugely active user/deploy of glance (or other openstack apis), b) I'm a cruel person who thinks it is okay that upgrades change things, c) Glance has a history of people being easily upset about API changes :( | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | yes, (c) is a real problem | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | it's only a slight backward incompatability | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | what do you think etoews , elmiko ? | 16:12 |
| etoews | i'm leaning towards new workflow. | 16:12 |
| * elmiko looking at etherpad | 16:13 | |
| etoews | let me ask you this, do you know exactly who the users are who rely on old sharing workflow? | 16:13 |
| etoews | to-be-old... | 16:13 |
| etoews | what percentage of total users do they make up? | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | hard to say | 16:14 |
| rosmaita | one user is the rackspace cloud control panel | 16:14 |
| cdent | rosmaita: is there much PATCH deployed in Glance already? | 16:15 |
| * rosmaita is thinking how to break the news to them (i work in the same office) | 16:15 | |
| elmiko | the new workflow seems like an improvement, imo, but yeah the backward compat issue. i'm not sure about that | 16:15 |
| rosmaita | cdent: yes, it is the only way to update an image record in v2 | 16:15 |
| nikhil | there may be some in other public clouds but don't expect too many | 16:15 |
| * nikhil apologizes for making a theatrical appearance in the meeting | 16:16 | |
| rosmaita | cdent: in v2, you change visibility using PATCH now (it's just that there are only 2 values) | 16:17 |
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| cdent | rosmaita: is that well received. I don't mean PATCH itself, but the use of JSONPatch. This isn't really directly related, I'm just curious if that itself has gone well, because some people are not keen. | 16:18 |
| rosmaita | i guess that's a good question for nikhil, i haven't heard any complaints about it | 16:18 |
| nikhil | yes and no | 16:19 |
| cdent | nikhil: It's only theatrical if it has a musical cue | 16:19 |
| etoews | a lot of the sdk people i know are not fond of it | 16:19 |
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| nikhil | dan-dan-dan | 16:19 |
| nikhil | lol | 16:19 |
| nikhil | people are usually quite about it unless someone wants to write a client | 16:19 |
| nikhil | yeah, what etoews said (I tried to generalize it) | 16:19 |
| nikhil | sdk, osc folks are usually not happy | 16:20 |
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| nikhil | we also had something called as a warlock lib that does schema validation-- this is very painful for clients | 16:20 |
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| nikhil | s/had/have/ | 16:21 |
| * nikhil stops giving feedback that's not asked for | 16:21 | |
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| cdent | rosmaita: the semantics of the described stuff sound good, the social (?) issues are harder to contemplate and comment upon... | 16:22 |
| cdent | where "sound good": consistent with reality | 16:22 |
| etoews | does glance dance the microversion? | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | no | 16:23 |
| nikhil | not yet | 16:23 |
| nikhil | it'd have been so much easier | 16:23 |
| etoews | ya... | 16:23 |
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| * nikhil plans to find a weekend for that work :) | 16:23 | |
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| etoews | but i'm definitely *not* suggesting "do microversions before doing this" | 16:24 |
| cdent | if microversions make versioning easier, does that mean that nanoversions make it ever easier? | 16:24 |
| cdent | s/ever/even/ | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | lol | 16:24 |
| nikhil | lol | 16:24 |
| etoews | naturally :) | 16:24 |
| nikhil | cdent: I for some reason have been feeling the same thing | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | with picoversions we wouldn't have to do anything at all | 16:24 |
| nikhil | femto? | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | i thnkn femtoversions write themselves | 16:25 |
| cdent | rosmaita++ | 16:25 |
| * nikhil rofl | 16:25 | |
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| etoews | our job here is done | 16:25 |
| elmiko | wow... femtoversions lol | 16:26 |
| rosmaita | ok, so to summarize : going to the new workflow isn't opposed by the API WG,but they point out that some glance consumers may be outraged, and glance will have to deal with the fallout | 16:26 |
| cdent | that's a reasonble summary | 16:27 |
| etoews | +1 | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | ok, thank you | 16:27 |
| etoews | i think glance operators can mitigate the outrage in some cases so that's a big plus | 16:27 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: I think we can reduce that pain and get some scoped feedback separately from those stakeholders. | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: +1 | 16:27 |
| etoews | it might be worthwhile to mention a strategy for outrage mitigation in the spec | 16:28 |
| rosmaita | :) | 16:28 |
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| cdent | all specs probably should have that, at least in the template | 16:29 |
| rosmaita | tsymanczyk: ^^ | 16:29 |
| tsymanczyk | enraged? 1 bourbon 1 scotch 1 beer. | 16:29 |
| rosmaita | on that note, i also have the next agenda item | 16:29 |
| tsymanczyk | still enraged? goto step 1 | 16:29 |
| rosmaita | :) | 16:29 |
| nikhil | well said :) | 16:30 |
| cdent | rosmaita: glare? | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | yep | 16:30 |
| nikhil | lol | 16:30 |
| nikhil | oh wow, interesting | 16:30 |
| etoews | the image glare | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin asked me to bring the latest patch of the glare API to your attention | 16:30 |
| etoews | #topic updated Glare API spec available for review | 16:31 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 16:31 |
| cdent | I remember we looked at this back in february | 16:31 |
| * nikhil remembers | 16:31 | |
| rosmaita | i'm not sure how much has changed, mostly clarifications in the spec, i think | 16:31 |
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| rosmaita | but we'd appreciate a lookover ov the latest version if you have time | 16:32 |
| rosmaita | that's all from me | 16:32 |
| tsymanczyk | need to go commute. thanks for the feedback everyone. | 16:32 |
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| nikhil | the api section is here for reference: | 16:34 |
| nikhil | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/36/283136/6/check/gate-glance-specs-docs/ec6fccb//doc/build/html/specs/newton/glare-api.html#rest-api-impact | 16:34 |
| etoews | if glare was microversioned, would it still need the /v1 in the URL? | 16:35 |
| cdent | can an artifact change type while still effectivey being the same thing? | 16:35 |
| etoews | i think not | 16:35 |
| etoews | my "i think not" applies to my own comment about microversion | 16:36 |
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| nikhil | cdent: can you please elaborate? | 16:36 |
| cdent | nikhil: not really, it was sort of a question to toss out to see if I could get a better idea of what "artifact type" means. Back when we first looked at this there was some confusion (especially from me). | 16:38 |
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| nikhil | cdent: artifacts being a generic way to store data assets -- some that may vary in their definition like heat templates and murano packages | 16:38 |
| nikhil | cdent: so, the type is 'heat_template' or 'murano-package' | 16:39 |
| * cdent nods | 16:39 | |
| nikhil | cdent: defined in the source tree and having such limited capacity of fields on them | 16:39 |
| cdent | can their only be one blob per artifact? | 16:39 |
| nikhil | cdent: so for heat templates, there will be property H1, H2, H3 and for murano package it will be M1, M2, M3 | 16:40 |
| cdent | (I'm skimming the spec instead of reading, I suspect some of this is in there) | 16:40 |
| nikhil | yeah | 16:40 |
| cdent | okay, thanks | 16:40 |
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| nikhil | I don't have exact answer on what blobs are: but generic answer is yes | 16:40 |
| nikhil | it's a part of the artifact definitions | 16:41 |
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| cdent | yeah, I'd like to roll back to what etoews asked: is /v1 a requirement if microversions are going to be used? And: If there is any plan to ever use microversions, then they need to be built in from the start. (I say this as someone who is not really a fan of microversions, but see their utility). | 16:42 |
| etoews | i was just about to bring that up again myself ;) thx | 16:42 |
| etoews | imo, glare should microversion from the start and drop the /v1 | 16:43 |
| nikhil | Thanks for that feedback, really useful to know. | 16:43 |
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| rosmaita | we will pass that along to mfedosin and see what he thinks (about the microversions) | 16:44 |
| elmiko | +1 on what cdent and etoews have said | 16:44 |
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| rosmaita | though it's probably worth putting that comment on the spec for posterity | 16:44 |
| etoews | rosmaita: yep. i'll comment right now. | 16:45 |
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| rosmaita | cool, ty | 16:45 |
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| etoews | anything else on this topic? | 16:45 |
| rosmaita | not from me | 16:45 |
| nikhil | none from me | 16:45 |
| cdent | I'll be given another review later when I have a bit more ability to read with focus | 16:45 |
| cdent | giving | 16:46 |
| cdent | sigh | 16:46 |
| etoews | cdent: elmiko: are we skipping the newsletter this week or hammer it out now? | 16:46 |
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| * cdent needs femtoversions to fix his brain | 16:46 | |
| elmiko | well, i think as a rule we should not skip it | 16:46 |
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| elmiko | but, i say that as someone who's already maxed on bandwidth... so, grain of salt | 16:46 |
| cdent | etoews: we can probably make one now, I don't think anything has changed so we can push it out and not skip | 16:46 |
| etoews | okay. | 16:47 |
| * nikhil thanks API WG for the feedback, leaves meeting. | 16:47 | |
| etoews | thanks nikhil rosmaita ! | 16:47 |
| cdent | elmiko: I'll launch today's | 16:47 |
| etoews | #topic send the weekly newsletter | 16:47 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group_weekly_email_template | 16:47 |
| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:47 |
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| * rosmaita waves bye | 16:47 | |
| elmiko | thanks cdent ! | 16:47 |
| etoews | thanks cdent ! | 16:47 |
| etoews | if i don't comment on the glare api now, it'll never happen. | 16:47 |
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| elmiko | the new stuff i'm working on is eating more and more of time, and sadly openstack is getting the short end of the stick =( | 16:48 |
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| cdent | a common (and sad) story | 16:49 |
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| elmiko | yeah... | 16:49 |
| elmiko | i just want to be honest about it | 16:49 |
| etoews | elmiko: have you found anyone that might be able to take your place? | 16:51 |
| elmiko | sadly no, the folks i asked were all also too busy lol | 16:52 |
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| cdent | writing in the newsletter makes me think: do need a policy on when/how to abandon guidelines whose authors are not reacting to feedback? | 16:54 |
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| elmiko | hmm, not a bad idea. but it does add more process | 16:55 |
| cdent | I've made some small edits (mostly just putting in a different, chatty, intro paragraph. | 16:56 |
| rosmaita | i am guilty of that | 16:56 |
| cdent | If you both can give it a once over, I'll make it go | 16:56 |
| rosmaita | have not worked on the "versions" guideline in like 6 months | 16:56 |
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| elmiko | lgtm, i like the note about the glance conversation. keeps it very topical | 16:57 |
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| cdent | etoews: review on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter ? | 16:58 |
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| etoews | ship it | 16:59 |
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| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 16:59:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-09-15.59.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-09-15.59.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-09-15.59.log.html | 16:59 |
| cdent | word | 16:59 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews cdent | 16:59 |
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| docaedo | courtesy ping for igormarnat_ ddovbii__ kfox1111 olaph kzaitsev_mb | 17:00 |
| igormarnat_ | docaedo: Hi! | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | pong ) | 17:01 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 17:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:01 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog#Proposed_Agenda_for_June_9th.2C_2016_.281700_UTC.29 Agenda | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:01 | |
| docaedo | Anyone have any updates to share? | 17:02 |
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| igormarnat_ | kzaitsev_mb: ^^ ? | 17:02 |
| * olaph has none, but waves 'hello' | 17:03 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | I sadly have none =( I still haven't completed/updated the patches for glare, but I intend to do so, probably tomorrow | 17:03 |
| * leong say hi to everyone | 17:03 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | Also I now have time to work on the auth middleware | 17:03 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: ok, that counts as an update :) | 17:03 |
| docaedo | hello leong! | 17:03 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: thats great news that you'll have time to work on the auth stuff! | 17:04 |
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| igormarnat_ | kzaitsev_mb: AFAIK the plan was to prepare remaining patches to merge and start working on preparing auth staff, right? | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so hope, that I'll have something to show next week =) | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | igormarnat_: yep, that's the plan | 17:05 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: excellent | 17:06 |
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| igormarnat_ | kzaitsev_mb: docaedo we'll need to work with Infra team to start deploying new backend, right? | 17:07 |
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| igordcard | haven't got a chance to look at these yet | 17:07 |
| docaedo | yes, once testing is solid and we're confident, deployment will just be through an update to the puppet manifest | 17:07 |
| docaedo | the DB side will use trove (via rackspace) | 17:07 |
| igormarnat_ | docaedo: do we have some staging? I'm just curios about details of how testing is going to happen | 17:08 |
| docaedo | AFAIK there is expected to be two phases - one for v1 where updates still happen via changes to assets.yaml file | 17:08 |
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| docaedo | then when v2 works (with auth), we would move all additions/changes/etc to be direct against the API | 17:09 |
| docaedo | there's no dedicated staging server, my expectation is that myself plus whoever else wants to - will deploy for test to our own VMs to validate things work right | 17:09 |
| igormarnat_ | got it, thank you! | 17:10 |
| docaedo | when I did the initial puppet work I just used a single VM and would manually apply the puppet manifest | 17:10 |
| docaedo | When we get closer I will document how I got the base infra stuff set up so that the "puppet apply" worked right | 17:10 |
| igormarnat_ | Ok, so so far all the knowledge about how it works and how it should be updated is in your heads, folks:) | 17:11 |
| docaedo | in this case it's going to be a little more complicated since we'll have a DB instance associated (so not sure the best way to test that short of using rackspace or else a devstack+trove instance) | 17:11 |
| docaedo | igormarnat_: sort of :) the deployment stuff is standard openstack infra, and the puppet work is here: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-apps_site | 17:12 |
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| docaedo | so any updates/changes to deployment will be managed through that - but the glare side (and how we transition) is not documented other than the high level plan in an etherpad | 17:13 |
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| igormarnat_ | Ok, so looking forward to hear from kzaitsev_mb about readiness of new backend code, auth and deployment | 17:13 |
| docaedo | When the glare stuff is ready we will have to chat in details on #openstack-app-catalog and get it all together | 17:14 |
| igormarnat_ | Cool | 17:14 |
| docaedo | Any other status updates? | 17:14 |
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| igormarnat_ | I wanted to talk a little bit about our progress and plans with working with apps and collaborating around them, but this is probably another part of the meeting | 17:15 |
| docaedo | yep, that's the next topic | 17:15 |
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| docaedo | #topic App Dev Community Discussion (Igor) | 17:16 |
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| docaedo | specifically: Discuss test/gate pipeline for apps | 17:16 |
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| docaedo | igormarnat_: take it away sir! | 17:16 |
| igormarnat_ | docaedo: Well, just a little update about our status with this | 17:16 |
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| igormarnat_ | We moved murano-apps repository to be managed by new team, murano-apps-core, the team is there, apps are there, there is IRC channel #murano-apps | 17:17 |
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| igormarnat_ | So we are progressing | 17:17 |
| docaedo | igormarnat_: that's good news | 17:17 |
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| igormarnat_ | Other items from the plan was to change/simplify workflow of publishing apps to the catalog, but this obviously waits for the switching to new backend | 17:18 |
| igormarnat_ | docaedo: you also want to talk a bit about CI/testing for apps | 17:18 |
| igormarnat_ | *wanted | 17:18 |
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| igormarnat_ | What was the question? And how to you see it to work in the future? | 17:19 |
| docaedo | igormarnat_: yes, I thought we could start thinking about that, starting first with murano | 17:19 |
| igormarnat_ | docaedo: we also made some progress with that | 17:19 |
| docaedo | right - seems like for speed, we'll need someone to donate hardware for 3rd party CI (so there's a cloud with murano ready to test the apps) | 17:19 |
| igormarnat_ | There is 3-rd party CI implemented for ci-cd-pipeline application | 17:19 |
| docaedo | excellent! | 17:20 |
| igormarnat_ | and the bot which deploys an application and checks whether it was successful or not | 17:20 |
| igormarnat_ | For instance, https://product-ci.infra.mirantis.net/job/9.0.test_all/412/ | 17:20 |
| igormarnat_ | Ups, sorry, wrong url | 17:20 |
| igormarnat_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327216/ | 17:20 |
| docaedo | hah I was just going to say I think we need to be on the mirantis VPN for that :) | 17:21 |
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| igormarnat_ | So there is a feedback from "murano-ci-cd-bot" | 17:21 |
| docaedo | thats cool | 17:21 |
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| igormarnat_ | Yes, it's something to begin with. Nexts steps would be to make it scalable and (hopefully, in the future) to start using OpenStack infra | 17:22 |
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| docaedo | Looks really good - for openstack infra though, this check relies on the cloud already being deployed and having murano installed right? | 17:23 |
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| igormarnat_ | Yes, and the thing is though that I'm not sure it would be a good idea to use devstack for that in the future | 17:24 |
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| igormarnat_ | Do you think we can agree with Infra folks on having somewhere Fuel community build deployed with Murano and use it for testing of apps? | 17:24 |
| docaedo | no I agree, devstack would not be good, would take way too long and spends a lot of time doing something that is not relevant to the test | 17:24 |
| docaedo | the problem right now is that infra is focused on testing openstack and related services | 17:24 |
| docaedo | I think the only way to do it is 3rd party, because they don't have any long-running clouds or jobs | 17:25 |
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| docaedo | but | 17:25 |
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| docaedo | there was talk of potentially having a small cloud available | 17:25 |
| igormarnat_ | Yep, this is where this whole initiative started with:) OpenStack apps somewhat differ from OpenStack services, and as of now the whole workflow of our work is dedicated to services | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | also, we'll end up having to build several test clouds if we would want to test against different openstacks | 17:25 |
| docaedo | and as long as no admin access is required (user level access only), and the job can clean up after itself, there is potential | 17:25 |
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| igormarnat_ | No admin access needed to upload and deploy new app (typically) | 17:26 |
| docaedo | there's also a possibility of using a slice of OSIC maybe - but there are security concerns if the deployed apps can reach the internet | 17:26 |
| igormarnat_ | docaedo: Who are the guys we need to talk about these things? Infra channel or some other audience? | 17:27 |
| docaedo | because this gateway then becomes a great way to sneak in backdoor access (like a new machine image that reaches out and makes a reverse tunnel to a spammers gateway) | 17:27 |
| docaedo | igormarnat_: yes, #openstack-infra would be the place, I am not the authority on these things at all :) | 17:27 |
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| igormarnat_ | docaedo: Yes, it seems this is new kind of concerns which we didn't deal before testing OS services using DevStack | 17:29 |
| docaedo | indeed | 17:29 |
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| igormarnat_ | docaedo: do you know which kind of cloud was under discussion? Any requirements/ideas about distribution? | 17:30 |
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| docaedo | igormarnat_: not sure - I know they have been working on setting up an infra cloud on donated HP hardware but the datacenter got flooded in texas storms around the time of the summit | 17:31 |
| docaedo | so that was on hold - last I saw they were close to getting the equipment running again, but don't know about distro and so on | 17:31 |
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| igormarnat_ | docaedo: OSIC is OpenStack Innovation Center? | 17:31 |
| docaedo | which is a good question too, as there is no such thing as one openstack reference architecture (i.e. something more than devstack) | 17:31 |
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| docaedo | yes, OSIC is intel/rackspace cloud (innovation center) | 17:32 |
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| docaedo | I know intel is interested in supporting these efforts, so it might be possible to have a small cloud set up there - but of course someone has to maintain that cloud over time | 17:32 |
| igormarnat_ | Got it. So I probably need to take an action item to bring this into Infra team agenda somewhere soon and involve our folks working on this CI into this meeting | 17:33 |
| docaedo | and usually OSIC only grants access to resources for a few weeks at a time, for scale testing and things | 17:33 |
| leong | for OSIC there can be some exception but subject to approval | 17:33 |
| igormarnat_ | I have one good distro in mind which I know for sure works well with Murano, we'll see if this works :) | 17:34 |
| docaedo | #action Igor to get on the Infra agenda to discuss app-dev CI | 17:34 |
| leong | some of the OSIC infra also used for openstack infra now | 17:34 |
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| igormarnat_ | docaedo: I think it's worth also to talk to Glance and Heat folks about their thoughts of validation of their templates and images, not sure if core teams are interested though, but we'll need to check | 17:35 |
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| docaedo | igormarnat_: yes I think both teams would be interested in that, especially if we can prove a sensible workflow with murano | 17:36 |
| igormarnat_ | I can take this action item as well | 17:37 |
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| docaedo | #action Igor to start threads with Glance and Heat teams about automated validation of templates and images | 17:38 |
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| docaedo | igormarnat_: thanks for taking all the action items :) | 17:39 |
| igormarnat_ | docaedo: thank you, I have two of AIs:) | 17:39 |
| igormarnat_ | Sure, np | 17:39 |
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| docaedo | anything else on this topic? | 17:40 |
| igormarnat_ | Not from my side | 17:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | none here too | 17:40 |
| docaedo | #topic open discussion | 17:40 |
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| docaedo | The floor is open - I don't have any specific topics from my side | 17:41 |
| igormarnat_ | Same here. Looking forward to switch to new backend, this will unblock us going forward | 17:42 |
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| docaedo | igormarnat_: yeah I'm hopeful the new backend transition goes smoothly | 17:43 |
| igormarnat_ | Ok then, docaedo kzaitsev_mb thank you for chatting, talk to you soon! | 17:44 |
| docaedo | you too - I think we're done, talk to you later on and ping on the app-catalog channel if there's anything I can help with, any questions, etc | 17:44 |
| olaph | thanks docaedo! | 17:45 |
| docaedo | thanks everyone! | 17:45 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 17:45:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-06-09-17.01.html | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-06-09-17.01.txt | 17:45 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting nonatc | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 19:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nonatc' | 19:00 |
| shamail | Hi, who’s here for the AUC recognition meeting today? | 19:00 |
| MeganR | o/ | 19:00 |
| shamail | Hi MeganR! | 19:00 |
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| MeganR | Hi | 19:01 |
| shamail | let’s see if we get others... | 19:01 |
| * shamail thinks he should send out reminders since it seems most people don’t have this on their calendars. | 19:02 | |
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| shamail | We’ll give this another 3 minutes MeganR and then defer the agenda until next week. Does that sound reasonable? | 19:02 |
| shamail | Sorry for not sending out a reminder message on the MLs | 19:03 |
| MeganR | unfortunately, my schedule has been really heavy lately and I am behind on emails | 19:03 |
| MeganR | I have this on my google and work calendars - best way for me to remember :) | 19:04 |
| shamail | same here | 19:04 |
| shamail | I still owe you an email on Newton Design Series interviews | 19:04 |
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| MeganR | I was going to ask - didn't know if I had missed something :) | 19:04 |
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| shamail | Nope | 19:05 |
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| shamail | Do you want me to send you the entire list and you will pick and choose or do you want to just let me know how many you want to help with and i’ll send you that number? | 19:05 |
| MeganR | I am fine with you sending me 2-3 to start with, let me see how long they take, and then I will ask for more | 19:06 |
| shamail | Perfect | 19:06 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 19:06 |
| shamail | I’m ending this meeting | 19:06 |
| shamail | We can reconvene next week | 19:06 |
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| shamail | See you later | 19:06 |
| MeganR | sounds good - thank you! | 19:06 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 19:06:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nonatc/2016/nonatc.2016-06-09-19.00.html | 19:07 |
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