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| dtroyer | Good morning OSC folk… | 13:03 |
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| tangchen | hi~~ | 13:03 |
| rtheis | good morning | 13:03 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 13:03:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 13:03 |
| tangchen | It is night for me. :) hahaha | 13:04 |
| rtheis | good night too :) | 13:04 |
| tangchen | :) | 13:04 |
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| dtroyer | Shall we get started? | 13:05 |
| dtroyer | #topic releases | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "releases (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 13:05 | |
| tangchen | let's go | 13:06 |
| dtroyer | We did the 2.5.0 release last week, the last planned release before 3.0 | 13:06 |
| dtroyer | I wanted to hold off making any breaking merges until we had a bit of time to make sure 2.5.1 was not immediately necessary | 13:06 |
| dtroyer | we seem to be clear of that | 13:07 |
| dtroyer | anyone know of anything otherwise? | 13:07 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: I may have one... | 13:07 |
| rtheis | I just found an issue late yesterday that I think is related to --enable-beta-commands | 13:08 |
| rtheis | Somehow, --enable options are getting ignored on commands now | 13:08 |
| rtheis | I need to investigate further as to why this is. Any ideas? | 13:09 |
| dtroyer | oh good grief…yes | 13:09 |
| dtroyer | global option names bite again | 13:09 |
| dtroyer | I forget the exact setting, but argparse will swallow up substring matches sometimes | 13:10 |
| dtroyer | that's another reason we use —os on most global options | 13:10 |
| rtheis | oh boy | 13:10 |
| rtheis | so is it best to just change to --os prefix for this? | 13:11 |
| dtroyer | possibly, or something similar | 13:11 |
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| dtroyer | even just —os-beta-commands? | 13:11 |
| rtheis | sure | 13:12 |
| rtheis | I like that | 13:12 |
| rtheis | I'll open a bug and work on a fix today. | 13:12 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks | 13:12 |
| rtheis | I didn't expect argparse to have such a "feature" | 13:12 |
| dtroyer | I have a feeling though that we'll need to jump to 2.6.0 based on what has already merged…I will review | 13:12 |
| rtheis | ok | 13:13 |
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| dtroyer | IIRC argparse does this when combined with… tab complete maybe? | 13:13 |
| dtroyer | no, not tab complete… dang, I forget exactly what it is | 13:14 |
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| rtheis | that's ok | 13:15 |
| dtroyer | anything else release-wise? This means we need to still hold off on the bigger breaking things for a while, probably next week | 13:15 |
| rtheis | I don't have anything else | 13:15 |
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| tangchen | none for me | 13:15 |
| dtroyer | #topic reviews | 13:16 |
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| dtroyer | So I was wanting to go through the stuff we have been holding back here | 13:16 |
| dtroyer | we can still look at the list, but wait on them | 13:16 |
| tangchen | Are we going to do the ip refactor now ? after 2.5.0 | 13:17 |
| dtroyer | yes, that set is one in this category | 13:17 |
| tangchen | I mean this series. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300388/ | 13:17 |
| tangchen | OK | 13:17 |
| dtroyer | also Navid's KSA and it's follow on reviews from Alvaro | 13:18 |
| dtroyer | and Henry's role assignment | 13:18 |
| rtheis | ok | 13:19 |
| * dtroyer is looking at the list from last week | 13:19 | |
| dtroyer | so the only things I am unsure about is what may be new since last Thursday | 13:20 |
| dtroyer | other than release-type issues, any reviews we need to talk about? | 13:21 |
| rtheis | Looking for opinions on command object for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319522/ | 13:21 |
| rtheis | This is for neutron rbac policies | 13:22 |
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| dtroyer | wow, yeah, yuck | 13:22 |
| rtheis | Similar for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320604/ which is start of OSC neutron plugin | 13:23 |
| rtheis | that is, plugin for network advanced services | 13:23 |
| rtheis | no rush on these, just wanted to bring them up for attention | 13:24 |
| dtroyer | sure, thanks, I had not seen them | 13:24 |
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| * dtroyer was sleeping much of yesterday, too much holiday weekend maybe :( | 13:24 | |
| rtheis | :) | 13:25 |
| dtroyer | interestingly enough, the recent ML thread about changing the *aaS release model brings up the near-deadness of at least two of those projects | 13:25 |
| dtroyer | back to the RBAC bit though, I don't think we can assume that 'rbac' is network-only in the long term | 13:26 |
| dtroyer | but yes, it's a bad name all on its own | 13:26 |
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| rtheis | yeah, it seemed similar to qos in my mind | 13:27 |
| dtroyer | how does 'network policy' fit? it feels like it might still be too ambiguous | 13:27 |
| rtheis | network has qos policies | 13:28 |
| dtroyer | qos has a better case though, as it is the common term in the networking world. like IP | 13:28 |
| rtheis | and rbac policies | 13:28 |
| dtroyer | ah, ok | 13:28 |
| rtheis | we have "volume qos" today | 13:28 |
| dtroyer | what role does the R in RBAC refer to? | 13:28 |
| dtroyer | users or servers? | 13:29 |
| rtheis | trying to sort that out now | 13:30 |
| tangchen | I think it is users. | 13:30 |
| dtroyer | I have always thought of it as user-related but don't see how that work in a neutron context | 13:30 |
| rtheis | it is users actions allowed for network objects enforced on a project | 13:31 |
| rtheis | I haven't played with it much | 13:31 |
| dtroyer | Identity uses plain role here | 13:32 |
| tangchen | me nither... | 13:32 |
| dtroyer | so a) it owns that object, but b) doesn't use rbac | 13:32 |
| dtroyer | name | 13:32 |
| dtroyer | ok, let's keep the conversation going in the reviews | 13:33 |
| dtroyer | I'll leave some comments after the meeting | 13:33 |
| rtheis | thanks dtroyer | 13:33 |
| tangchen | thanks. | 13:33 |
| dtroyer | tangchen: in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321977/ I noticed you added an exception for when no option (—enable|—disable) is present | 13:34 |
| dtroyer | I thought we started removing those complaints | 13:34 |
| dtroyer | thinking that if the user does not specify a change, that is not an error | 13:34 |
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| tangchen | Well, that makes sense. So, a warning msg ? | 13:35 |
| tangchen | I think we should let the user know nothing has changed. | 13:36 |
| dtroyer | maybe… I still lean toward nothing though | 13:36 |
| dtroyer | maybe an info message, that will be silent unless -v is set | 13:36 |
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| tangchen | I think nothing will be a little strange. The command is not complete. but it looks like it has been executed correctly. | 13:37 |
| dtroyer | but it has been executed correctly | 13:37 |
| dtroyer | it did nothing correctly | 13:38 |
| dtroyer | :) | 13:38 |
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| tangchen | Well, I'd vote for a warning, but info is also ok for me. | 13:38 |
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| dtroyer | set commands usually have more options, if this one grows more we would need to remove the specific warning about --enable | 13:38 |
| dtroyer | because then it would not be an issue | 13:38 |
| tangchen | sorry, what specific warning about --enable ? | 13:40 |
| dtroyer | if we did the same thing to 'user set', for example, you would have a warning if —enable or —disable was not present | 13:41 |
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| tangchen | Oh, I see | 13:41 |
| dtroyer | which is totally acceptable | 13:41 |
| tangchen | just like service set | 13:41 |
| tangchen | OK | 13:42 |
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| tangchen | I'm OK with nothing output. | 13:42 |
| tangchen | Then we need to fix some other commands. | 13:42 |
| dtroyer | yes we do | 13:42 |
| tangchen | OK, I'm on it | 13:42 |
| dtroyer | thanks | 13:42 |
| dtroyer | any other reviews? | 13:43 |
| rtheis | none from me | 13:43 |
| tangchen | none for me, but I have two things need some advice. | 13:43 |
| tangchen | please give me 5 min in the end | 13:43 |
| dtroyer | ok, will do | 13:44 |
| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 13:44 |
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| dtroyer | I saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1587927 and never considered that before, we have another thing to sort out | 13:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1587927 in python-openstackclient "Quotas command is not plugable" [Undecided,New] | 13:44 |
| dtroyer | that is a good example of when we want a plugin to be able to modify another command | 13:45 |
| dtroyer | other times we don't want that | 13:45 |
| dtroyer | fun times ;) | 13:45 |
| rtheis | that is interesting | 13:45 |
| dtroyer | I played with something similar by adding —ram —cpu and —disk to server create a while back via a plugin | 13:46 |
| dtroyer | but that technique isn't viable for actual use because it depends on install order | 13:46 |
| dtroyer | also, https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1580870 is asking for what looks to be nova-net commands? | 13:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580870 in python-openstackclient "Fixed IP reserve/unreserve/show in computeV2" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to aohuanxuan (huanxuan-ao) | 13:47 |
| dtroyer | if they are part of Compute | 13:47 |
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| rtheis | nova-net is back to deprecated, isn't it? | 13:48 |
| dtroyer | let's see… it is an even year, and even month, an even day, so I think yes? | 13:48 |
| rtheis | :) | 13:48 |
| tangchen | If they are just for nova, yes. | 13:49 |
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| dtroyer | If we do those for Network and adding them for Compute is near-trivial, then maybe. Otherwise I think at this point we should have a Really Good Reason to add more nova-net-only commands | 13:49 |
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| dtroyer | I'll ask that in the bug… | 13:50 |
| rtheis | agreed | 13:50 |
| tangchen | OK | 13:50 |
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| dtroyer | other bugs to raise? | 13:50 |
| tangchen | non for me | 13:50 |
| rtheis | nothing else | 13:51 |
| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 13:51 |
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| dtroyer | what is on your ming, tangchen? | 13:51 |
| tangchen | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/log-usage | 13:51 |
| tangchen | Need some advice for this | 13:51 |
| tangchen | I'm often confused the way to use a logger. | 13:52 |
| tangchen | I can see 3 loggers in OSC | 13:52 |
| tangchen | Shall we give some rules on how to use them ? | 13:52 |
| dtroyer | good idea, yes | 13:53 |
| rtheis | https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/common/command.py#L37 | 13:53 |
| dtroyer | I can see places where all of those make sense though, the rule will probably be based on what type of message is being reported | 13:53 |
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| rtheis | I thought this was an attempt at that | 13:53 |
| dtroyer | rtheis: I would agree with that. | 13:54 |
| tangchen | sorry, I don't quite understand | 13:54 |
| dtroyer | the default for commands seems like it should be using self.log() | 13:54 |
| tangchen | what do you mean richard ? | 13:54 |
| dtroyer | self.app.log() should be for things that are not command-specific | 13:55 |
| dtroyer | so volume's use there probably needs to be changed | 13:55 |
| tangchen | yes | 13:55 |
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| tangchen | OK, I can start the work from volume. | 13:55 |
| tangchen | then we can discuss more in the reviews, and give a rule in doc finally. | 13:56 |
| dtroyer | the module-level LOG is likely the least necessary one for reporting | 13:56 |
| dtroyer | sounds good | 13:56 |
| tangchen | one more thing | 13:56 |
| tangchen | http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/writing-style/word-choice.html | 13:56 |
| rtheis | tangchen: just wondering if we can expand what is already done so commands have less to worry about, but I realize more is needed as you point out | 13:57 |
| tangchen | someone showed me this... | 13:57 |
| tangchen | OK, Richard. :) | 13:57 |
| dtroyer | ooooh! nice! | 13:57 |
| tangchen | What I want to ask is, are we going to accept patches like this ? | 13:58 |
| tangchen | maybe...openstack->OpenStack | 13:58 |
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| tangchen | too trivial, I think | 13:58 |
| dtroyer | for fixing docs? | 13:58 |
| tangchen | yes | 13:58 |
| rtheis | depends | 13:58 |
| dtroyer | we'll accept them, but I really don't want to see one for each | 13:58 |
| tangchen | there was one today. | 13:58 |
| tangchen | yes | 13:58 |
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| tangchen | She abandoned finally. And maybe will give a big one at last. | 13:59 |
| dtroyer | I used to do sweeps through fixing a bunch of help and docs all at once, broken by APi or something to keep it from getting too big | 13:59 |
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| tangchen | OK, I see. | 13:59 |
| tangchen | no question for me today. :) | 13:59 |
| dtroyer | but style and form do matter, so we do want to fix these things | 14:00 |
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| rtheis | agreed | 14:00 |
| tangchen | OK | 14:01 |
| rtheis | nothing else from me | 14:01 |
| dtroyer | ok, we're out of time | 14:01 |
| dtroyer | thanks guys! | 14:01 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 14:01:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-06-02-13.03.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-06-02-13.03.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-06-02-13.03.log.html | 14:01 |
| tangchen | bey | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 14:01:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 14:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | hello folks | 14:01 |
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| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:03 | |
| vgridnev | #info Newton-1 is done for sahara https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323872/ | 14:04 |
| crobertsrh | Just a few reviews for me. I need to take a look at current specs again soon. | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | #info saharaclient release proposal https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324386/ | 14:04 |
| elmiko | sadly, not much to report for me. i've been looking over the apiv2 work in attempts to better plan how we will go forward. | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | also, preparing several important back ports to mitaka | 14:05 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | There's a feature in Nova which conflicts with our volume discovery. I've got a fix that is almost working. | 14:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'll put it on review soon | 14:08 |
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| vgridnev | elmiko, sad news. Just thoughts: since APIv2 is a experimental feature, that most probably will not touch our default behavior, maybe we can ignore specs and just move to the implementation? Much better commit message should describe changes proposed | 14:09 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: that's an interesting thought | 14:10 |
| elmiko | i think the only spec we really need at this point in the microversion one | 14:11 |
| elmiko | the rest can wait, and we still have several work items that don't need them | 14:11 |
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| vgridnev | do we need a API v2 topic? | 14:12 |
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| elmiko | i think we just covered it ;) | 14:13 |
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| elmiko | unless anyone else has something to add? | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 14:13 |
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| vgridnev | egafford, hello! | 14:14 |
| vgridnev | #undo | 14:14 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Hi there! Sorry; fighting flaky internet today. :/ | 14:14 |
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| vgridnev | anything new from you? | 14:15 |
| egafford | My status is minimal (still working on spec/code for image gen), but I'm happy to report (as I did to vgridnev yesterday) that most to all of the company internal issues that've been keeping me from Sahara for a while are resolving, so I'll be much more present, and will probably be able to recruit at least 1 other engineer for the community. | 14:16 |
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| egafford | So that's exciting. | 14:16 |
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| elmiko | nice, good to hear =) | 14:18 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:20 | |
| vgridnev | would love to see some reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317520/ | 14:20 |
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| elmiko | ack, adding it to my queue | 14:21 |
| vgridnev | and also, I've noticed that we have weird bug in saharaclient, https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-saharaclient/+bug/1551292 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1551292 in Python client library for Sahara "0.12.0 is using sphinx-arparse but it's not in global requirements" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 14:21 |
| vgridnev | seems that we are using that for generating CLI docs | 14:23 |
| elmiko | huh | 14:24 |
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| egafford | Are we implicitly depending on it through a stated dependency? Otherwise it's weird that we're not just breaking completely. | 14:27 |
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| egafford | Still best to depend on it directly in any case, in case the dep chains change, but weird... | 14:27 |
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| vgridnev | we depends only in CLI docs generation | 14:28 |
| egafford | Ok, I see; we're just breaking there. Sad. | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | https://github.com/openstack/python-saharaclient/blob/master/tox.ini#L15 | 14:29 |
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| vgridnev | my thoughts just copy code of that library in our code for now (it's MIT licensed) and then try to push that to globals. if we success in step 2, we can remove copied code | 14:32 |
| egafford | Seems reasonable. | 14:33 |
| crobertsrh | +1 | 14:33 |
| elmiko | that seems to be a popular trend | 14:33 |
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| vgridnev | ok, seems that we agreed on that | 14:35 |
| vgridnev | anything else that we can discuss? | 14:35 |
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| vgridnev | ok, thanks folks for attending | 14:40 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 14:41:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-02-14.01.html | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-02-14.01.txt | 14:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-02-14.01.log.html | 14:41 |
| elmiko | thanks vgridnev | 14:41 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 14:59:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #chair carl_baldwin | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #chair tidwellr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 15:00 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | Hi | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi everybody | 15:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:00 |
| johndperkins | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | Agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Annoucements | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Newton-1 is being cut this week, as we speak | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Also the Neutron mid-cycle is confirmed to take place in Cork Ireland, August 17 -19 | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Any other annoucements from the team? | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Not from me | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Etherpad for the mid-cycle is here: | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on... | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:05 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think this is about ready to merge. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | I just wonder if the pluggable side of the changes are getting enough exercise. | 15:06 |
| tidwellr | me too | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm comfortable with the non-pluggable side. | 15:06 |
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| pavel_bondar | I have rebased migration to pluggable ipam patch on top of that patch to see CI results | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: BTW, I rolled that call to flush in to your patch the other day. | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Great. Any results yet? | 15:07 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: thanks, barely treading water this week :) | 15:07 |
| pavel_bondar | See two failed jobs, need to investigate deeper | 15:07 |
| pavel_bondar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181023/ | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: I can probably help a bit. I'm pretty familiar with tidwellr 's change by now. | 15:08 |
| tidwellr | pavel_bondar: those are odd failures | 15:09 |
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| pavel_bondar | we can try to do recheck to see if it is a fluctuation or not | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: It will help to recheck it a few times. With this big a change, it helps to collect more data. | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'd say recheck it any time you notice it is not in the check queue getting checked. | 15:10 |
| pavel_bondar | ok :) | 15:11 |
| pavel_bondar | rechecking | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | We're going to get this one soon, I think. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I think that's all for now. | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on... | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:12 |
| pavel_bondar | two fixes are in gerrit for that | 15:13 |
| pavel_bondar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300984/ updated it today, fixed some comments | 15:13 |
| pavel_bondar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323345 is a WIP, UTs are pending, uploaded to get agreement about the approach | 15:14 |
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| pavel_bondar | initial review fix #2 is strongly welcome | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Will do | 15:15 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:15 |
| pavel_bondar | so that is it from my side | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | Thanks pavel_bondar for your update and hard work! | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | Those are the 2 high priority bugs we have for this week | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | Any other bugs that the team wants to discuss here? | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | If not, let's move on | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | Still trying to work through the etherpad items. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/routed-provider-networks-notes | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | The Nova spec has a +2 from John. | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | Yeap | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | The next highest priority patch is for IPAM | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | We probably need to ping mriedem today to get his | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314815/ | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | ... and the next one ... | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320631 | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | That's about it from me. I'm starting to work on Nova and deferred IP ports. | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: so we don't duplicate effort, could you elaborate on the Nova work you are doing? | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: A simple part. Just getting Nova to accept a port without an IP until host binding. | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | ok, cool | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | I just pinged mriedem in the Nova channel to get his review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898 | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Essentially what I started with that Nova patch a while back. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299591 | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks for helping that spec along. | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on... | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:25 |
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| tidwellr | hi | 15:25 |
| tidwellr | I think we're ready to start dealing with RFE's and specs since the neutron-dynamic-routing repo is in reasonably good shape | 15:26 |
| tidwellr | the last important item is to get test jobs up and running and get enough confidence in the jobs that we can turn them to voting jobs | 15:27 |
| steve_ruan | hi Ryan, when the test jobs ready? | 15:28 |
| Na_Zhu | tidwellr: what is the plan about RFE? Mickey and Steve are working on the RFE about BGP EVPN, is there anyone works on other RFEs? | 15:28 |
| tidwellr | steve_ruan: we need to get the jobs so they actually run tests | 15:29 |
| Na_Zhu | tidwellr: seems like vikram is working on bgp statistics, right | 15:29 |
| tidwellr | steve_ruan: we have 2 jobs, but they don't run any tests and I think they are non-voting at the moment | 15:30 |
| steve_ruan | tidwellr, thanks | 15:30 |
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| Na_Zhu | tidwellr: can i take one confirmed RFE? | 15:30 |
| tidwellr | Na_Zhu: let's wait until the RFE goes to "accepted" | 15:31 |
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| Na_Zhu | tidwellr: ok | 15:32 |
| mickeys | We submitted a spec for BGP EVPN IP Prefix Advertisement | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | Na_Zhu: I think we're still taking RFE's to the neutron drivers team, so that feedback is important | 15:32 |
| mickeys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322654/ | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | mickeys: thanks for the pointer, I've been meaning to give that a look | 15:32 |
| mickeys | tidwellr: We are looking forward to your feedback, and any feedback we can get from others | 15:33 |
| tidwellr | #action tidwellr to review EPVN spec | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | I didn't have anything else | 15:35 |
| tidwellr | mickeys, Na_Zhu, steve_ruan? | 15:35 |
| mickeys | Nothing else from me | 15:35 |
| steve_ruan | yes, no update | 15:36 |
| Na_Zhu | nothing to update | 15:36 |
| Na_Zhu | nothing else to update | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr, mickeys, steve_ruan, Na_Zhu thanks for the update | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | #topic FWaaS | 15:37 |
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| mlavalle | Are there any updates from the FWaaS team? | 15:37 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: we have been looking at the agent extensions | 15:38 |
| njohnston | I drilled down on how the L2 agent extensions work and how the notification driver works | 15:38 |
| njohnston | My hope is to follow that as a common pattern | 15:38 |
| SridarK | +1 | 15:38 |
| njohnston | The L2 agent notification driver is build on top of the 'port_update' and 'network_update' RPCs | 15:39 |
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| njohnston | so to follow their model I will need to gain more knowledge about what RPCs are in use by the L3 agent | 15:39 |
| njohnston | They had tried to implement a separate set of messaging, but they said that experiments with it proved to be a RabbitMQ-buster | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | lol | 15:40 |
| njohnston | So research is ongoing, but I will add info to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315745/ as I grok it | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | njohnston: Thanks, I'll watch that spec. | 15:41 |
| njohnston | carl_baldwin: thanks! | 15:41 |
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| SridarK | just to add - we also got pointed to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91532/ | 15:42 |
| SridarK | which had done some earlier work on this area - we hope we can get some more data off that | 15:42 |
| njohnston | yes, the author of that one said that it is dead but that we should feel free to plagiarize anything that looks usable. | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | SridarK, njohnston: anything else to share with the team? | 15:44 |
| njohnston | nope | 15:44 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: nothing | 15:44 |
| SridarK | thx | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for your update! | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open discussion | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | I have a topic to share with the team | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | A few months ago, armax sent an email to carl_baldwin and me, asking us to cleanup some technical debt we had incurred when initially implementing DNS integration | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | Specifically, to clean up calls in the DB core plugin to DNS | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | I have been working with one of my team members, Bin yu (yb is his irc nickname) on this: | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313291 | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | We have iterated it several times. I think it is very close to be ready for reviews from carl_baldwin and other team members | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks for following up on this. | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | I will review the last revision today and if I feel comfortable with it, I will ping carl_baldwin and others to get reviews | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | don't invest time on it until I let you know | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: sounds good. | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have on this topic | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | any other topics from the team? | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | Thanks for attending today's meeting! | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks! | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 15:51:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-02-14.59.html | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-02-14.59.txt | 15:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-02-14.59.log.html | 15:51 |
| SridarK | Thanks | 15:51 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 16:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:00 |
| etoews | hello | 16:00 |
| cdent | elmiko said he will be late | 16:00 |
| cdent | were you/are you still at pycon? | 16:00 |
| etoews | got back yesterday | 16:01 |
| etoews | just catching up | 16:01 |
| cdent | twitter made pycon sound very good | 16:01 |
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| etoews | it was :) | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-05-26-16.00.html | 16:03 |
| etoews | (none) | 16:03 |
| etoews | well that's easy then | 16:03 |
| cdent | I think we did them all during the meeting | 16:03 |
| cdent | and they were all pretty much: prepare the newsletter | 16:03 |
| etoews | right right | 16:03 |
| etoews | #topic send the weekly newsletter | 16:04 |
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| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group_weekly_email_template | 16:04 |
| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:04 |
| cdent | I made new guideline, so we can add that | 16:05 |
| etoews | \o/ | 16:05 |
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| cdent | and I think we also need to add a note that some of those guidelines that are up for review are old and need their authors back | 16:05 |
| etoews | or we just mark them as abandoned. that's okay too. | 16:05 |
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| cdent | at least two of them got some comments since the newsletter went out | 16:06 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 16:06 |
| cdent | I reckon maybe we should abandon actions pending further cogitation? | 16:07 |
| etoews | ya | 16:07 |
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| cdent | so, to whoever put the recently merged back: is the idea that we'll just keep that as a rolling list of "recent", not "in the past week"? | 16:10 |
| etoews | oh wait. were those two already in there and i didn't see them get deleted? | 16:10 |
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| cdent | etoews: yeah | 16:10 |
| etoews | oops | 16:10 |
| cdent | but I think it might be reasonable to re-advertise them if we want | 16:10 |
| cdent | ? | 16:11 |
| elmiko | which ones are we talking about? | 16:11 |
| etoews | elmiko: the merged on may 26 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:closed+project:openstack/api-wg | 16:12 |
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| etoews | i think it would look a bit odd to have them as "recently" merged for 2 weeks in a row. | 16:14 |
| cdent | I'm fine either way | 16:15 |
| elmiko | i could see that | 16:15 |
| etoews | it also makes me wonder if we should be sending this every week. our velocity is such that bi-weekly might make more sense. ;) | 16:16 |
| elmiko | true, but it seemed like we had a clear signal that more emails would be welcome | 16:16 |
| cdent | yes, and also from what I can tell people read the list in a very piecemeal fashion so it is easy to miss one week but see the next | 16:16 |
| elmiko | is there perhaps other content we could add to them? | 16:16 |
| etoews | okay. weekly is fine. | 16:16 |
| cdent | we could editorialize | 16:17 |
| elmiko | under that guise, maybe having "recently merged" be slightly sticky is not a bad thing | 16:17 |
| cdent | "the other day, while reviewing nova api-ref docs, I realized that just about all the URIs in nova are awful, so I wrote a new guideline so we can avoid that in the future" | 16:17 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:17 |
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| etoews | alright well let's keep them in recently merged then? | 16:19 |
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| elmiko | yea, maybe just leave em in for a few emails. just to help drive the message home | 16:20 |
| etoews | done | 16:20 |
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| etoews | anything else to add to the newsletter or ready to send? | 16:21 |
| cdent | I think the content is correct, but since we're noodling over concerns with people's responses, will people get mego if it looks mostly identical to the last one? | 16:22 |
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| cdent | Or should we be shaking it up somehow? | 16:22 |
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| cdent | my style would be to vdiff with my memory | 16:23 |
| etoews | that was my concern. | 16:23 |
| cdent | so everything in the same place is good | 16:23 |
| cdent | but I reckon for other people the addition of the new guideline will be completely lost (as that's the only concrete change) | 16:23 |
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| etoews | do we want to highlight "new guidelines" vs "Guidelines currently under review"? | 16:24 |
| elmiko | hmm, good point cdent | 16:24 |
| etoews | right. maybe have a new section for "New guidelines" | 16:24 |
| cdent | seems reasonable | 16:24 |
| elmiko | might be nice to have some indication about what is "new" | 16:24 |
| cdent | or divvy into two broad parts "news" and "status" | 16:24 |
| etoews | and rename "Guidelines currently under review" to "Decrepit guidelines" | 16:24 |
| cdent | :) | 16:25 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:25 |
| elmiko | news/status sections seems ok to me | 16:25 |
| * cdent looks around for more cans of paint | 16:25 | |
| etoews | what would go under news? | 16:25 |
| cdent | in my mind it is basically anything that wasn't in the last week | 16:25 |
| cdent | or selections from the list of things that weren't there last week | 16:25 |
| elmiko | or do we just have an asterisk or something for new items? | 16:26 |
| * elmiko grabs another brush | 16:26 | |
| etoews | asterisk (or the like) doesn't vdiff very well. | 16:26 |
| elmiko | good point | 16:27 |
| cdent | If you're up for it, elmiko, as the current editor, you could just have an opening paragraph. The content that we currently have would be as it is | 16:27 |
| etoews | we already have an awful lot of * and # already | 16:27 |
| cdent | but at the top you'd just write a little blurb | 16:27 |
| cdent | "This week nothing has merged but we've got a new guideline about..." | 16:27 |
| elmiko | that could work | 16:27 |
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| cdent | so much paint | 16:27 |
| elmiko | seems to me, we want this to be an email that is more than just a proceedurally generated thing | 16:28 |
| cdent | yes | 16:28 |
| elmiko | so, maybe the intro para. would help that out | 16:28 |
| etoews | ya | 16:28 |
| cdent | +5 | 16:28 |
| etoews | ja | 16:28 |
| cdent | (ones and twos are, like, so last week) | 16:28 |
| elmiko | "it was the best of times, it was the w...." | 16:28 |
| cdent | something like that? | 16:30 |
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| elmiko | do you have an etherpad up or something? | 16:31 |
| cdent | (I probably made a gazillion typos) | 16:31 |
| cdent | oh yeah elmiko , sorry about that, thought you had caught that: | 16:31 |
| cdent | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:31 |
| elmiko | thanks | 16:31 |
| cdent | just reusing the same one from last time | 16:31 |
| etoews | yep. let's always just reuse that one. | 16:32 |
| etoews | lgtm btw ffs | 16:32 |
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| elmiko | lgtm as well | 16:32 |
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| etoews | care to send it off elmiko ? | 16:32 |
| elmiko | sure, i can do that | 16:33 |
| cdent | word | 16:33 |
| elmiko | done and done | 16:34 |
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| cdent | ossum | 16:34 |
| etoews | #topic API changes on limit / marker / sort in Newton | 16:35 |
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| etoews | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095545.html | 16:35 |
| etoews | i stumbled onto this the other day and didn't have a chance to dig into it | 16:35 |
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| etoews | that was really just a reminder for me to do it | 16:36 |
| etoews | think there's anything in there we need to comment on? | 16:36 |
| cdent | ah, yeah, I've been sort of observing that and eventually decided that it was fruitless to get too involved as the reasons for the decision are entirely based on bad mojo in nova's implementation | 16:36 |
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| elmiko | i had not seen this | 16:37 |
| * elmiko reading | 16:37 | |
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| cdent | it might be useful to clarify the target point that the wg has declared in existing guidelines while keeping aware that nova has pre-existing constraints | 16:37 |
| etoews | cdent: do we have a target point for pagination? | 16:39 |
| etoews | all i'm aware of is this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190743/21/guidelines/pagination_filter_sort.rst | 16:40 |
| cdent | etoews: that same file has existing sort_key guidelines in it | 16:41 |
| etoews | right. http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/pagination_filter_sort.html but it sez nothing about pagination things like limit and marker | 16:42 |
| cdent | right, but the pending review does | 16:42 |
| etoews | we should respond and at least point out these things. | 16:43 |
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| cdent | you want that action? | 16:44 |
| etoews | i'll do it right now | 16:45 |
| etoews | #topic get out of draft mode | 16:45 |
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| * etoews be right back... | 16:46 | |
| cdent | this is quite the topic | 16:47 |
| etoews | we can postpone it to next week | 16:48 |
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| cdent | I reckon before we figure out how to do it, we need to figure out what it means to be "out of draft mode" | 16:49 |
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| cdent | are we gonna hit anything in the next few minutes, if not, I've got dinner waiting on me and then unusually good evening weather to be somewhere other than at this desk | 16:53 |
| etoews | what does it mean to be "in draft mode"? :P | 16:54 |
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| etoews | i'm fine with ending early and putting stuff off to next week | 16:54 |
| etoews | another nice thing about weekly meetings! | 16:54 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 16:55:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-02-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-02-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| cdent | So I think origin of that is that the guidelines have a preface that say they are a draft: " THIS DOCUMENT IS CURRENTLY A DRAFT ONLY | 16:55 |
| cdent | " | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-02-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews | 16:55 |
| cdent | yeah, thank both of you, I'm off | 16:55 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:55 |
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| etoews | cheers | 16:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: rkukura igordcard ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:00 |
| igordcard | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi SumitNaiksatam! | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 18:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#June_2nd.2C_May_26th.2C_2016 | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is songole here? | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if he is around we could discuss the bugs he entered | 18:01 |
| hemanthravi | let me get him | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yesterday | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | let me start with the testing | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Testing | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | an update on the gate test job for Rally | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it was broken for about a month | 18:02 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: songole will be back in a few min | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have fixed the Rally branch now, so the job is running again | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: np, we will take that up when he is here | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so please take a look at the rally job results when you review patches | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | please note that there are some tests which are not returning 100% success, and i think we had planned to remove those tests because they were not framed correctly | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have it on my TODO list to do that clean up | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS impl | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301701/ | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think igordcard updated the patch but is still not passing the integration gate | 18:05 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: it's passing.. | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and also needs the devref that was requested | 18:05 |
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| tbachman | party | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: its passing py27 but not gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-functional | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi | 18:06 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:06 |
| tbachman | sorry I’m late | 18:06 |
| tbachman | (again) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: np | 18:06 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: oh, I thought those always failed no matter what | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: no, both those should pass | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: it fails in Juno | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: the second one (rally) was failing for some time, but i have fixed it now | 18:07 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: where is the request for devref? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: and ideally we want the qos impl to be tested in the gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-functional job too | 18:07 |
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| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: there is no QoS neutron support in Juno | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i put it in the comment on May 26th | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: yes sure, we dont need to backport this to Juno | 18:08 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: oh, my bad, I only read the file comments | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: np, i guessed as much (you addressed the inline comments) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i think it will be easier for the other folks in the team to try this out once you have those two things | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if there are no questions for igordcard we can let him go, we are standing between him and his dinner ;-) | 18:10 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: alright | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks | 18:10 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: lol :p | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for joining in spite being on PTO | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything to update here? | 18:11 |
| rkukura | no problem, and no update on packaging | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:11 |
| rkukura | I need to find someone at Red Hat who will respond regarding the Delorean integration | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we ran into an issue with using GBP with Fuel | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true :-) | 18:12 |
| rkukura | right, I was discussing the fuel issue with tbachman | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the issue we ran into with Fuel was that it patches released versions, and some of our monkey patches are incompatible | 18:12 |
| rkukura | and SumitNaiksatam, sorry | 18:12 |
| tbachman | rkukura: :) | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman any thoughts? | 18:12 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: no great idea just yet | 18:13 |
| tbachman | it’s a tricky one | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | err, i mean any solutions? :-P | 18:13 |
| tbachman | as you pointed out, it would be nice to be able to divine a version somehow | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay | 18:13 |
| rkukura | monkey patching like we do is evil | 18:13 |
| * tbachman nods | 18:13 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i knew you were going to say that! :-) | 18:14 |
| rkukura | so lets not blame fuel | 18:14 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, no blame game | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but problem remains | 18:14 |
| rkukura | its my monkey patch anyway, so I could only blame myself | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: it was a team decision to go that way | 18:15 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: of course | 18:15 |
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| rkukura | This particular one was intended to be short term, right? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right, and good point | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we can perhaps revisit if its really required | 18:16 |
| rkukura | We thought we might be hitting infinite loops, and wanted to see if this happens in the field | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps the infinite loop would not manifest any more | 18:16 |
| rkukura | do we know if this has been happening? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: it happens if you go and try to delete neutron resources for which corresponding GBP resources still exist | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this is of course not supported and no one should be doing it, but we wanted to get out of the infinite loop situation | 18:17 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for the reminder - this was due to the TX failing due to a FK, right? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:17 |
| rkukura | Or maybe not? Do we do FKs to neutron? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the thing is that we are probably covered as far as Fuel is concerned even without the monkey patch | 18:17 |
| tbachman | FK? | 18:18 |
| rkukura | foreign key | 18:18 |
| tbachman | ah | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however this will still break with RHEL install | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | break -> infinite loop | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my concern is that there might be a solution for this particular patch, but we have patched other things as well | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and it may or may not be straight forward to deal with those (if there is problem with those as well) | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, perhaps we need some more offline conversation on this before next week’s meeting | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks for the input from everyone, and thanks tbachman for digging up all the details | 18:20 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: wish I hadn’t | 18:21 |
| * tbachman sticks head in sand | 18:21 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol! | 18:21 |
| rkukura | I checked, and we do have FKs for neutron resources in our schema | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic NFP Impl patches | 18:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NFP Impl patches (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:21 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: songole: hi | 18:22 |
| hemanthravi | update on nfp. | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes please go ahead | 18:22 |
| hemanthravi | gbp gate tests are running, added nfp tests to gate | 18:22 |
| hemanthravi | using namespace based fw and lb | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: cool | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: which patch adds the gate test? | 18:22 |
| * SumitNaiksatam is lazy is to check ;-P | 18:23 | |
| hemanthravi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385/83 | 18:23 |
| hemanthravi | exercises/lb.sh, fw.sh | 18:23 |
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| hemanthravi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309145/83 has a README-NFP to try out nfp with devsatck | 18:24 |
| hemanthravi | missing one of the test scripts mentioned, will ask rajendra to commit it tonight | 18:24 |
| hemanthravi | started adding content to the patches wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/GerritQueries/NFP#NFP_Implementation_Patches | 18:24 |
| hemanthravi | will complete this and work on the devref patches | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: just looked at the former patch where you mentioned the gate tests are added, looks promising | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: the README also looks good | 18:26 |
| hemanthravi | the wiki lists the patches in the order to be reviewed, not all of them are required for the base mode without a service vm | 18:26 |
| hemanthravi | will document this against the patches | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yeah, but i guess we need to be on the last patch to be able to install and check | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: so at that point we would have pulled the code from all the patches | 18:27 |
| hemanthravi | yes, need to install the last patch | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: so it will be good to have a description on all the patches in the wiki page right away | 18:27 |
| hemanthravi | will install all the code, but won't be exerceised for the base mode | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:27 |
| hemanthravi | the other code is required when you launch a service vm as we demod at the summit | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: but overall this is good progress, and looks like is its at least at the point where people can try it out | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: more information will further aid in reviewing | 18:28 |
| hemanthravi | will do, hope to have most of it done over the weekend | 18:28 |
| hemanthravi | will be helpful to get more reviews on the first 2 patches to start with | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: sure | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i do see fw.sh in the integration job logs, so good | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: one issue i am seeing right away is that the tests are leaving some service_profiles undeleted, not sure if the delete failed, or the test failed to delete | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | base_mode_lb and base_mode_fw | 18:31 |
| hemanthravi | will check on that | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks, and for the update in general | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for hemanthravi on NFP? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay thanks much! | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:33 |
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| songole | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:34 |
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| songole | I filed a few bugs yesterday | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we were discussing a bunch of bugs over the past few days | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: yes | 18:34 |
| songole | Some of them I believe are high priority | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any particular ones you want to discuss here, get input from the team? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay, which ones? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you can copy-paste the launchpad link, the bot will do the rest | 18:35 |
| songole | https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1588109 | 18:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1588109 in Group Based Policy "APIC mapping: Neutron router not created for E <--> W L3 policy" [Undecided,New] | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: that is driver specific, lets check with ivar-lazzaro | 18:35 |
| songole | ok | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yeah that is APIC specific | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | don't think RMD has the same issue | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: right | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: what do you think is a reasonable solution here? | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | what happens is that in apic mapping Neutron routers are created only when L3Ps are attached to ES | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: right | 18:37 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | I think that we could create a "default" one | 18:37 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | that is never attached to a ES | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but I want to check with the author of the first patch here, to see if there's a compelling reason for not doing it | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: makes sense | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: should we assign this to you for now investigation (and you can later punt it to someone else if required)? | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *for investigation | 18:38 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | sure | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay thanks | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: whats next on your list? | 18:39 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: if it is an easy fix, can we prioritize it? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay, in LP medium priority is default for driver patches | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | default -> convention | 18:40 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: we can follow up offline to make progress on this | 18:40 |
| songole | https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1588099 | 18:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1588099 in Group Based Policy "Neutron fip association doesn't work with service chains" [Undecided,New] | 18:40 |
| songole | We discussed this offline and I summarized the discussion in the bug | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | songole: not sure that should be a bug, since this was known at the time we made the implementation | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | songole: also, that is broken for explicit association only | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | songole: but yeah, we need to find a solution anyways | 18:42 |
| songole | ivar-lazzaro: right | 18:42 |
| songole | https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1588107 | 18:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1588107 in Group Based Policy "Automate allocation of fip and static ip for loadbalancer vip" [Undecided,New] | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: anyone in your team can work on the suggestion made by ivar-lazzaro with retrieving all routers, and finding the candidate router from that based on the reachability? | 18:42 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I will check. | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i am referring to 1588099 | 18:43 |
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| songole | got it. | 18:44 |
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| songole | 1588107 is about the same provider being used externally (n-s) and internally (e-w) | 18:45 |
| songole | I need to check the behavior of ip-single nat-pool option | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so for 1588107 what is your expectation? | 18:45 |
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| songole | The intent should be to allocate fixed ip and assign floating ip to it | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so per our discussion, i am finding it hard to understand “2n'd option above just creates a floating IP which the consumer could directly use. It doesn't allocate a local ip.” | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: as you said, it will be helpful if you can confirm that is indeed the case | 18:48 |
| songole | okay | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks | 18:48 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I have another bug which I haven't filed yet | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: if that was not the case, and the local ip was getting allocated, this is not a bug any more? | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | songole, SumitNaiksatam: the local IP is not allocated? | 18:49 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I will verify it | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | meaning that there's no fixed IP in the LB VIP port? | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes thats the claim, and i am not sure how that can be the case | 18:50 |
| songole | ivar-lazzaro: that is my understanding based on the code. | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | That would be a huge bug, probably in Neutron too | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yeah let's verify that :D | 18:50 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I believe proxy ptg is created by admin for the end user | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: admin can create proxy ptg | 18:52 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: this is regarding a check to not allow cross tenant resource creation. this check only exists for neutron | 18:52 |
| songole | and not for apic | 18:52 |
| songole | because of it, a non admin tenant will not be able to launch service chain on neutron | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: finding it difficult to grok, perhaps you can file the bug, and it might be easier to explain there? | 18:53 |
| songole | ok | 18:53 |
| songole | https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/services/grouppolicy/drivers/resource_mapping.py#L371 | 18:53 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | is it because of _reject_cross_tenant_ptg_l2p ? | 18:54 |
| songole | ivar-lazzaro: yes | 18:54 |
| songole | I don't see a similar check for apic_mapping driver | 18:54 |
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| songole | https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/services/grouppolicy/drivers/cisco/apic/apic_mapping.py#L806 | 18:55 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | songole: we need to see the implications of doing that | 18:56 |
| songole | ivar-lazzaro: is there a specific reason behind that validation? | 18:56 |
| songole | ivar-lazzaro: validation is required but it can be relaxed for admin? | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | songole: maybe it could | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | so you want the subnet to be owned by the admin | 18:57 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | and the network by the tenant | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | if Neutron allows that, I don't see why not | 18:58 |
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| songole | ivar-lazzaro: is it not an issue with apic mapping? | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: may be we can take this offline, you can create the bug | 18:59 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | songole: APIC mapping has his own neutron driver | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have to yield to the next meeting in a few seconds | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining! | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | adieu! | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:00 |
| songole | bye | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 19:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-06-02-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-06-02-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-06-02-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:00 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting nonatc | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 19:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nonatc' | 19:00 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone! Who’s here for the AUC recognition meeting? | 19:00 |
| maishsk | shamail: we should change that…. :) | 19:01 |
| maishsk | o/ | 19:01 |
| MeganR | o/ | 19:01 |
| shamail | maishsk: I will… I need to talk to tonyb first to see if log migrations are possible or whether we should change meeting info but keep “nonatc” as folder name | 19:01 |
| shamail | #chair maishsk | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: maishsk shamail | 19:01 |
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| shamail | Hi MeganR | 19:01 |
| shamail | We offended dc_mattj | 19:01 |
| maishsk | Why? | 19:02 |
| shamail | Im just kidding :) He just left the room (computer went to sleep) | 19:02 |
| MeganR | we weren't entertaining enough! | 19:02 |
| shamail | that must be it | 19:02 |
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| shamail | hi dc_mattj | 19:02 |
| dc_mattj | evening | 19:02 |
| shamail | So the agenda for today is small | 19:03 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AUCRecognition | 19:03 |
| maishsk | YEY! | 19:03 |
| maishsk | been a long day at the #OpenStackIL event | 19:03 |
| dc_mattj | looked good | 19:03 |
| shamail | Nice! Good event? | 19:03 |
| shamail | We’ll be posting a SuperuserTV video with interviews from the event by tomorrow | 19:03 |
| dc_mattj | organised by the guys from Gigaspaces I think ? | 19:04 |
| dc_mattj | they do all their OpenStack testing against our platform | 19:04 |
| shamail | nice | 19:04 |
| shamail | first agenda item... | 19:04 |
| shamail | #topic Updates on action items from 5/26 | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates on action items from 5/26 (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:04 | |
| shamail | There were two action items from last week | 19:04 |
| shamail | 1) rename group from non-atc to AUC | 19:04 |
| dc_mattj | nice :) | 19:05 |
| shamail | I’ve made progress on this one (wiki has changed, meeting reminders changed) but still have some work left | 19:05 |
| shamail | I will put in a patch to change the meeting information on eavesdrop | 19:05 |
| shamail | I want guidance from Tony Breeds as to whether it is possible to migrate logs or whether we can change meeting info but use “nonatc” to start meetings | 19:06 |
| shamail | if we change the meeting ID then historical logs will be more difficult to find | 19:06 |
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| shamail | another workaround might be to change meeting ID but still include a link to the nonatc meeting logs in the wiki and put a disclaimer (e.g. for logs prior to 6/6, click here) | 19:07 |
| maishsk | I would hope that they can be migrated | 19:07 |
| shamail | I hope to sort this out by next week | 19:07 |
| dc_mattj | small point I would think, we can always link | 19:07 |
| shamail | I hope so too maishsk but I’ve prepared a plan B just in case | 19:07 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: +1 | 19:07 |
| maishsk | good to know | 19:07 |
| shamail | the other action item was | 19:07 |
| shamail | 2) shamail: determine if ATC membership information is published anywhere (and, if so, what is published about them) | 19:07 |
| shamail | I saw your tweet maishsk (I was travelling so didn’t get a chance to reply) about the extra-ATC info in the governance repo | 19:08 |
| maishsk | So the info is definitely there | 19:08 |
| shamail | I think that addresses the question partially (e.g. extra ATC info is there) but I haven’t found a centralized ATC list anywhere | 19:08 |
| shamail | The governance repo only shows extra-ATCs | 19:08 |
| dc_mattj | I've never seen a list like that either | 19:09 |
| shamail | I have emailed ttx to find out if they just run scripts to extract repo contributors or whether they post the aggregate results for ATC somewhere | 19:09 |
| shamail | To be honest, I emailed him an hour ago so I probably won’t be able to provide an update until next week | 19:09 |
| shamail | :x | 19:09 |
| maishsk | I stand corrected - it is only the extra ATC | 19:09 |
| dc_mattj | we've always assumed stackalytics tells you | 19:10 |
| dc_mattj | although in Austin I learned not every commit gets you ATC now | 19:10 |
| maishsk | the ATC is not published publicly | 19:10 |
| shamail | I assumed they just run a script to find project contributors and leverage that | 19:10 |
| shamail | true dc_mattj | 19:10 |
| maishsk | dc_mattj: you mentioned that last week - where / when was that decided? | 19:10 |
| dc_mattj | maishsk, it was mentioned a few times in different sessions | 19:10 |
| shamail | It was mentioned at the board meeting although I am not sure where it stands from an implementation perspective | 19:10 |
| maishsk | I have not seen any communication - or reviews / decisions on that | 19:11 |
| shamail | came up in the AUC recognition session too | 19:11 |
| dc_mattj | although never clarified properly, it was always to do with the issue of people committing typo fixes to comments to get ATC | 19:11 |
| maishsk | :) | 19:11 |
| dc_mattj | not something any of my team have ever done, but apparently it happens | 19:11 |
| shamail | maishsk: technically the OpenStack Foundation covers that benefit so it might not go through an actual governance review | 19:11 |
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| maishsk | foundation covers the fact of a free pass | 19:12 |
| shamail | yep, they fund it | 19:12 |
| dc_mattj | it wasn't ever clear to me who was making that decision | 19:12 |
| dc_mattj | maybe the PTL's ? | 19:12 |
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| maishsk | but if someone has ATC status or not - they are not the same | 19:12 |
| shamail | I think OpenStack Foundation itself | 19:12 |
| maishsk | they are very different | 19:12 |
| shamail | I think people still qualify for ATC (if I am not mistaken) | 19:12 |
| dc_mattj | that's a big job to trawl through every commit and decide worth | 19:12 |
| shamail | it was the free pass that was being adjusted? | 19:12 |
| * maishsk is all for getting rid of the free pass | 19:12 | |
| MeganR | I think they were trying to work around the one commit only to get a free pass | 19:13 |
| shamail | I can try to find someone who is more in-tune with the topic and see if they can recommend how we discuss this in the community | 19:13 |
| maishsk | or at least making the bar a lot higher | 19:13 |
| shamail | MeganR: +1 | 19:13 |
| shamail | I think they also want people that are invested voting for TC as well | 19:13 |
| shamail | So that was my update on the action items.. I give myself a C- | 19:14 |
| dc_mattj | maishsk, I'm not sure on that - contributions are the key metric of any OS project, so getting people to contribute is vital | 19:14 |
| shamail | :( | 19:14 |
| shamail | I will make more progress by next week, sorry! | 19:14 |
| dc_mattj | maybe comment typos shouldn't count though ;) | 19:14 |
| shamail | Okay to move to next topic? | 19:14 |
| dc_mattj | shamail, +1 | 19:14 |
| maishsk | +1 | 19:14 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:14 |
| shamail | Wanted to revisit some of the metrics that we deferred last week | 19:14 |
| shamail | #topic Metrics for WG participants (MeganR) | 19:15 |
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| MeganR | So, naturally I have more questions than answers at the moment. For teams not using IRC, the team leads can enter the “meeting participant” information somewhere – to be determined. If we go this route, then we need to specify what information needs to be entered – Name, Email, IRC Handle . . . | 19:15 |
| MeganR | However, it wasn’t ruled out to have people log into IRC, might help people get more comfortable with it. If we go this route, is there somewhere that people could “log in” – otherwise, I don’t know if we would bump or interrupt meetings just to have individuals log in. | 19:15 |
| MeganR | I need guidance on which avenue we want to pursue | 19:15 |
| shamail | MeganR: One of the options that was discussed at the summit was to see if the foundation would let us clone the track chair tool | 19:15 |
| shamail | so that WG chairs could use it to manage their working groups | 19:15 |
| dc_mattj | definitely needs a low touch tool | 19:16 |
| shamail | Use the same tool but apply it to WG membership | 19:16 |
| dc_mattj | otherwise it's just way too much work for people to do | 19:16 |
| MeganR | yes, as low touch as possible | 19:16 |
| dc_mattj | the IRC thing is a bigger issue though I think | 19:16 |
| maishsk | So I think the first option is low touch enough | 19:16 |
| MeganR | shamail - would Kendall be the best person to reach out to about cloning that tool? | 19:17 |
| shamail | This “re-using track chair tool” would be intermediate touch for WG chairs (membership doesnt change often) and no-touch for WG members | 19:17 |
| dc_mattj | there's a lot of new working groups where IRC is alien to them - like Scientific WG | 19:17 |
| maishsk | WG leads - fill out the active participants | 19:17 |
| dc_mattj | not sure how relevant the track chair tool is here though | 19:17 |
| shamail | MeganR: I think Kendall with a CC to Tom would be a good place to start… he would have context | 19:17 |
| dc_mattj | I can't see the re-use | 19:17 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: It would not be full re-use | 19:17 |
| shamail | in the track chair tool, there is membership information for each tracks chairs | 19:18 |
| MeganR | ok, I will reach out - we need a "database" for the WG leads to enter this info | 19:18 |
| shamail | in this use, think of track=WG and chair membership=WG membership | 19:18 |
| dc_mattj | tool IMO would need to be something where after a meeting, the chair could tick boxes to say who the contributors were | 19:18 |
| dc_mattj | but if you mean the same kind of concept as the track chair app, then I agree | 19:18 |
| shamail | similar concept | 19:18 |
| shamail | good way to phrase it dc_mattj | 19:18 |
| dc_mattj | +1 then | 19:18 |
| maishsk | dc_mattj: or drop a text file with the names of the participants | 19:18 |
| MeganR | shamail - I am going to cc you on that email - in case there needs to be clarification | 19:19 |
| dc_mattj | maishsk, that already sounds like too much friction | 19:19 |
| shamail | Sounds good | 19:19 |
| * maishsk thinks he is becoming to fluent in the ways of OpenStack … :( | 19:19 | |
| maishsk | too* | 19:19 |
| shamail | Do we think this will be a massive amount of folks? Could we simply ask WG chairs once a cycle (near end) to give us a list of people who are active? | 19:19 |
| dc_mattj | ideal would be that everyone uses the same comms mechanism and it's all automagically audible | 19:19 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: I agree, this could be done manually but I fear it might become a burden | 19:20 |
| dc_mattj | shamail, maybe. As a community of engineers we're always guilty of overthinking the problem | 19:20 |
| shamail | WG count continues to grow as do members | 19:20 |
| MeganR | I don't feel that it is a huge list - but would prefer they enter the info after each meeting, especially if there are different leads for the meetings | 19:20 |
| shamail | MeganR: Could you pursue an option 1 and option 2 recommendation? | 19:20 |
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| dc_mattj | I'm always warning my engineers not to over-engineer, but we do like perfection ;) | 19:20 |
| maishsk | And also this is a way to track active participation | 19:20 |
| dc_mattj | this is a small WG thought right ? | 19:21 |
| MeganR | Option 1 - enter info after each meeting, Option 2 - enter info monthly ? | 19:21 |
| dc_mattj | emerging stuff like scientific and NFV are bigger, and potentially very big ? | 19:21 |
| maishsk | dc_mattj: there are a number of WG | 19:21 |
| shamail | Maybe option 1: tooling to automate collection, option 2: manual methods | 19:21 |
| MeganR | This is for WG that are not using IRC for their meetings | 19:21 |
| maishsk | Product and Enterprise are probably larger | 19:21 |
| dc_mattj | so we should also probably think about how many WG are NOT using IRC | 19:22 |
| shamail | We already have a script to extract info for WGs using IRC (https://github.com/openstack/uc-recognition/blob/master/tools/get_active_wg_members.py) | 19:22 |
| MeganR | shamail - sorry, I am not following, are these the options to present to Kendall and Tom or to the WG leaders? | 19:22 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: +1, that would give us a good idea of whether the effort is worth it | 19:22 |
| dc_mattj | if the mainstream are all using IRC, then there's no point in overthinking the minority | 19:22 |
| shamail | MeganR: These are options that our AUC WG should recommend at the end of milestone-3 on how to account for WG members | 19:23 |
| dc_mattj | set the standard as IRC, then allow some manual process for anyone not using it ? | 19:23 |
| MeganR | ahh - got it - ok, thank you | 19:23 |
| maishsk | dc_mattj: sounds like a plan :) | 19:23 |
| MeganR | dc-mattj +1 | 19:23 |
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| dc_mattj | not saying IRC is perfect, but it is fairly standardised and we have automation tooling | 19:23 |
| shamail | MeganR: You are determining now that we want to include WG members as AUC, how do we identify them. | 19:23 |
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| dc_mattj | change from IRC is under the control of the WG chairs | 19:24 |
| MeganR | I have been focusing on the ones listed through the User Committee | 19:24 |
| dc_mattj | so if they change it, then maybe they need to work out how to recognise contribution ? | 19:24 |
| shamail | MeganR: +1, that is what we chose as criteria for being considered “official WGs" | 19:24 |
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| shamail | They have to have information on the UC wiki | 19:24 |
| MeganR | yes - focusing there, and then if we need to expand in the future we can | 19:25 |
| dc_mattj | where does the official WG list live ? | 19:25 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: I am worried that if we leave the designation entirely unstandardized then questions on why someone was considered active versus not could arise | 19:25 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:26 |
| shamail | Near the bottom dc_mattj | 19:26 |
| dc_mattj | shamail, not sure what that means ? Can you explain ? | 19:26 |
| dc_mattj | in terms of contribution ? | 19:26 |
| maishsk | dc_mattj: So I think that is part of Milestone #5 | 19:27 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: I was trying to say that we should be able to give criteria to WG chairs on how they should identify who they consider “active”.. if we let each WG determine (without publicly listing the criteria) then it could raise questions on why someone was “active” and someone else was deemed “not actove" | 19:27 |
| shamail | active* | 19:27 |
| dc_mattj | Yeah I get that. I think I'm saying that the mechanisms that exist right now in terms of number of lines during a meeting etc are probably good enough given the vast majority use IRC | 19:28 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1, milestone 5 | 19:28 |
| dc_mattj | and for those that don't use IRC, we could have a fairly manual process for now | 19:28 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: ah, got it. | 19:28 |
| dc_mattj | although admittedly I don't know how many don't use IRC | 19:28 |
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| shamail | Only ones I know are enterprise.. does scientific? | 19:28 |
| MeganR | I was thinking of keeping it really simple for the first round - if someone is routinely attending WG meetings, they are considered active. We can see what number that brings - ad then possibly refine it. | 19:29 |
| shamail | MeganR: +1 | 19:29 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:29 |
| dc_mattj | exactly | 19:29 |
| shamail | Anything else on this topic MeganR? | 19:29 |
| maishsk | +1 | 19:29 |
| dc_mattj | use what metrics we have right now and don't overthink | 19:29 |
| MeganR | Nope - I'm good | 19:29 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:29 |
| dc_mattj | assume everyone is using IRC, and if they aren't then the WG chair has to provide that metric somehow | 19:29 |
| shamail | #topic Metrics for Ops meetup moderators (maishsk) | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Metrics for Ops meetup moderators (maishsk) (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:29 | |
| dc_mattj | lol | 19:30 |
| maishsk | So I reached out to Tom - and got this | 19:30 |
| dc_mattj | sorry, was already ahead of myself | 19:30 |
| maishsk | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=803513477 | 19:30 |
| shamail | Yep, that has all moderators | 19:30 |
| maishsk | It is an excel sheet with the list of all the moderators for all the moderators. | 19:30 |
| dc_mattj | I also talked to Tom about this | 19:30 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: Will the new meetup admin WG keep the same spreadsheet or do you plan to change where moderator info is kept? | 19:31 |
| dc_mattj | not sure yet | 19:31 |
| dc_mattj | I am VERY familiar with this spreadsheet | 19:31 |
| maishsk | So we can get all the info from there | 19:31 |
| dc_mattj | but it is a bit like to mouldy old bit of paper kept under your bed ;) | 19:31 |
| shamail | lol | 19:31 |
| maishsk | The question is just about ‘the how’ | 19:31 |
| maishsk | ;) | 19:31 |
| dc_mattj | again, I think for this let's not overthink | 19:31 |
| dc_mattj | the amount of folks who fall into this category is fairly small | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | and easily manually treatable | 19:32 |
| maishsk | copy + paste a list - sounds good | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | treatable | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | aargh | 19:32 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1 | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | autocorrect | 19:32 |
| shamail | lol | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | we can do it manually | 19:32 |
| shamail | treatable | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | ;) | 19:32 |
| maishsk | LOL | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | create - able | 19:32 |
| shamail | got it, treatable | 19:32 |
| shamail | :P | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | LOL | 19:32 |
| maishsk | dc_mattj has found a way to outsmart his computer :) | 19:32 |
| shamail | I agree | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | I think we're agreeing | 19:33 |
| shamail | the list has everything needed and its small enough to just copy/paste | 19:33 |
| dc_mattj | yup | 19:33 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:33 |
| shamail | Anything else maishsk? | 19:33 |
| maishsk | On this topic - nope | 19:33 |
| shamail | #topic Review next steps | 19:33 |
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| shamail | So we’ve made good progress in identifying our data sources and how we might interface with them | 19:34 |
| shamail | The next step would be to document our results from this milestone | 19:34 |
| shamail | I would also like to propose switching milestone 4 and 5 | 19:34 |
| shamail | milestone 5 feels like a good continuation of mileston 3 | 19:34 |
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| shamail | it would completely close out the who, what, and how | 19:34 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:34 |
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| shamail | We can move to the exceptions discussion (e.g. review board) after establishing the norm | 19:35 |
| dc_mattj | I'd also say the review board for self nominated is the UC | 19:35 |
| maishsk | shamail - that is very smart | 19:35 |
| shamail | Agree/disagree to switch? | 19:35 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:35 |
| dc_mattj | agree | 19:35 |
| maishsk | +1 agree | 19:35 |
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| shamail | dc_mattj: I agree but would want to check with them first to see if they are fine with the workload | 19:36 |
| MeganR | agree | 19:36 |
| shamail | or if they want to delegate | 19:36 |
| dc_mattj | shamail, I suspect the workload is a tiny edge case | 19:36 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: +1, it should also get smaller each cycle | 19:36 |
| dc_mattj | I can't believe someone would not fall into any other category, and not be known by the UC | 19:36 |
| shamail | true | 19:36 |
| shamail | Thanks everyone | 19:37 |
| shamail | #Agree we will change ordering and cover milestone 5 (now known as milestone 4) first and then milestone 4 (now known as milestone 5) | 19:37 |
| dc_mattj | lol | 19:37 |
| shamail | That is probably the most complex way I could’ve written that sentence | 19:37 |
| dc_mattj | that's not going to get confusing | 19:37 |
| shamail | lol | 19:38 |
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| shamail | We know what it means! | 19:38 |
| maishsk | and it should have been # agreed : ) | 19:38 |
| dc_mattj | this is all getting a bit Life of Brian | 19:38 |
| shamail | haha | 19:38 |
| dc_mattj | for any of you with a Monty Python interest | 19:38 |
| maishsk | We are all individuals | 19:38 |
| MeganR | for this week - remind me again next week! | 19:38 |
| shamail | lol | 19:38 |
| maishsk | With a shrubbery | 19:38 |
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| MeganR | lol | 19:39 |
| maishsk | So if there is nothing else on the agenda | 19:39 |
| maishsk | I would like to share two things | 19:39 |
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| shamail | #topic open | 19:42 |
| shamail | maishsk, here? | 19:42 |
| maishsk | from today’s OpenStackIL event - gave a presentation about the pain I (personally) feel regarding the exclusion of non-code contributors to OpenSTack | 19:42 |
| maishsk | *I gave | 19:42 |
| shamail | Are the slides online? | 19:42 |
| maishsk | I must say that the reactions that I received were quite encouraging - and the direction of AUC was well received | 19:43 |
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| dc_mattj | maishsk, +1 | 19:43 |
| maishsk | Not yet - but I can put them up somehwere | 19:43 |
| maishsk | the message got through | 19:43 |
| MeganR | wow - that's great | 19:43 |
| maishsk | which brings me to my second point | 19:43 |
| shamail | Great to hear, I think people appreciate that progress is being made. | 19:43 |
| maishsk | I had a chat with mordred and flaper87 who both there at the event | 19:44 |
| maishsk | after the session | 19:44 |
| maishsk | And it was implied that we can easily make use of the extra ATC for pracitcally anyone who would like to ask for it | 19:45 |
| maishsk | all we need to do is compile a list. | 19:45 |
| dc_mattj | I'm not sure that's the point though | 19:45 |
| maishsk | completely not | 19:46 |
| dc_mattj | if I can add something, I've definitely felt my non-code contributions have been valued - although admittedly most of the big stuff I've done has co-incided with the big push in this area. | 19:46 |
| shamail | maishsk: this was brought up in the Austin session as well. The majority in the room wanted to be recognized and not simply leverage an existing method to add us to the existing criteria | 19:46 |
| maishsk | dc_mattj: I completely agree | 19:46 |
| maishsk | with both of you. | 19:46 |
| shamail | the goal, in the room, was to change the definition and not just obtain ATC benefits | 19:46 |
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| dc_mattj | shamail, +1 | 19:46 |
| dc_mattj | and I don't think it's even about free tickets | 19:46 |
| shamail | agreed | 19:47 |
| dc_mattj | like all of us in open communities it's about feeling valued | 19:47 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:47 |
| maishsk | but what was encouraging to me was the acceptance from the other side of the fence - that our side does need recognition | 19:47 |
| MeganR | that is great! | 19:47 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1 | 19:47 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:47 |
| maishsk | and the steps that we have started are appreciated on both sides | 19:47 |
| shamail | Glad to hear that | 19:48 |
| shamail | I would definitely like to see a copy of your slides once you get a chance to upload them! | 19:48 |
| dc_mattj | Edgar is also doing a sterling job in terms of trying to put the UC on the same footing as the TC | 19:48 |
| dc_mattj | and the rest of the UC | 19:48 |
| * maishsk wanted to add one more thing - but for the life of him - he can’t remember what it was. | 19:48 | |
| dc_mattj | ;) | 19:48 |
| dc_mattj | lol | 19:48 |
| maishsk | Oh yeah | 19:48 |
| dc_mattj | is it that we should rename ourselves to the Peoples Front ? | 19:49 |
| MeganR | lol | 19:49 |
| maishsk | Edgar. I assume that you have all seen the document that he has been working on? | 19:49 |
| dc_mattj | yup | 19:49 |
| shamail | Yes | 19:49 |
| MeganR | nope - but I am really behind on email | 19:49 |
| maishsk | one sec #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit | 19:50 |
| dc_mattj | personally I think this is an important document | 19:51 |
| MeganR | thank you, but unfortunately I can not open that on my work network - will review later | 19:51 |
| * maishsk wonders what kind of place MeganR works in that blocks Google Docs :) | 19:51 | |
| shamail | emagana made good progress on the sub-domain topic (where it will live) as well this week | 19:51 |
| MeganR | Walmart :) | 19:51 |
| maishsk | LOL | 19:51 |
| dc_mattj | shamail, good | 19:52 |
| dc_mattj | because I think it needs to be hosted there | 19:52 |
| dc_mattj | for us as a community | 19:52 |
| emagana | sorry, I haven't followed the conversation. | 19:52 |
| dc_mattj | :) | 19:52 |
| emagana | Anything needed from me? | 19:52 |
| maishsk | as equals | 19:52 |
| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2016-June/001210.html | 19:52 |
| dc_mattj | hello edgar :) | 19:52 |
| emagana | Hi dc_mattj | 19:52 |
| shamail | no sir, keep doing great work emagana | 19:52 |
| maishsk | of the People’s Front | 19:52 |
| dc_mattj | we were just talking about what good work you are doing sir | 19:52 |
| shamail | lol | 19:52 |
| maishsk | +1 | 19:53 |
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| shamail | Any other topics for today? | 19:53 |
| shamail | Alrighty then | 19:53 |
| shamail | Thanks for joining everyone, see you next week! | 19:53 |
| MeganR | Bye! | 19:53 |
| dc_mattj | good to talk :) | 19:54 |
| emagana | N.p. | 19:54 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
| shamail | I think bot is down | 19:54 |
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| maishsk | or you busted the bot :) | 19:55 |
| shamail | :[ | 19:55 |
| maishsk | for those who wanted the links to the slides | 19:56 |
| maishsk | #link http://www.slideshare.net/maishsk/the-tale-of-2-openstack-contributors | 19:56 |
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| shamail | thanks | 19:58 |
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| dabukalam | o/ | 20:00 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 21:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 21:32 |
| darrenc | hi! | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting arch-ops-guide | 21:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 21:32:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:32 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 21:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch-ops-guide)" | 21:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_ops_guide' | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello all | 21:32 |
| njohnston | oh good, glad that worked, since the last meeting had not ended properly | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | can we get a roll call for the ops/arch guide meeting: | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh good! | 21:33 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:33 |
| darrenc | do you need to end it first? | 21:33 |
| darrenc | o/ | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | i think were ok | 21:33 |
| darrenc | cool | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | so just the 3 of us aye? | 21:34 |
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| darrenc | I guess so :) | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | well lets go ahead and get started | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Ops Guide | 21:34 |
| darrenc | I think Shaun is moving countries | 21:34 |
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| ShillaSaebi | oh wow really | 21:34 |
| darrenc | South Africa -> Germany | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh right i remember he said he was going to Germany | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | So we still need more people to find and look for content that needs to be updated #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 21:35 |
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| darrenc | yeah so far it's just be me and tom | 21:36 |
| darrenc | been* | 21:36 |
| darrenc | I'm thinking of pushing up a patch with those changes | 21:36 |
| darrenc | and hopefully that will get some response | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:37 |
| darrenc | but yeah, some ops ppl to pick a chapter or section and review it would be great | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | Devon and Vic are interested in working on this too | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | Devon may be joining us later today | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | I can poke them tomorrow | 21:38 |
| njohnston | Vic sends his regrets, but is at a doctor's appointment | 21:38 |
| darrenc | that would be great, thanks | 21:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:40 |
| darrenc | so any thoughts on getting more ops ppl to help? | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | i think maybe start joining their meetings | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | we've tried ML | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | we've tried other methods that didn't seem to make much traction | 21:41 |
| njohnston | perhaps talking about docs in meetings like the ansible and puppet meetings | 21:41 |
| darrenc | mailing lists only seems good for informing | 21:41 |
| njohnston | those are very ops-dominated | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats a good idea | 21:42 |
| njohnston | "Hey you're working on a puppet module update to configure haproxy, would you mind also checking the ops guide chapter XX to make sure it's up to date?" | 21:42 |
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| ShillaSaebi | thats a great idea | 21:42 |
| darrenc | +1 | 21:42 |
| katomo | +1 | 21:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi katomo | 21:42 |
| katomo | hi ShillaSaebi | 21:43 |
| darrenc | Need to checking ops meeting times, but I think they are held when I'm asleep | 21:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | i wonder if there is an APAC one? | 21:44 |
| darrenc | Perhap we can coordinate as a team who will go to what meeting | 21:44 |
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| ShillaSaebi | that works | 21:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | does someone want to maybe gather the list of meetings first that are ops centric | 21:45 |
| njohnston | +1 coordination | 21:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | then we can look at the times and see who can go to what | 21:45 |
| darrenc | I can do it | 21:46 |
| njohnston | perhaps that can be collated and arranged via email | 21:46 |
| darrenc | Yep, I'll send out an email | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah email works | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok next thing | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | Sourcing enterprise ops documentation | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | so we have a wiki filled with docs | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | not really cleaned up | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can dump them somewhere as long as we don't put them up as official docs or anything. We need to really revise them and clean them up before putting them anywhere | 21:47 |
| darrenc | I assume it has enterprise specific information in it? | 21:48 |
| njohnston | be sure to look at wiki docs with the coming reorganization in mind: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096481.html | 21:49 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah enterprise specific info | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | but we can clean that up | 21:52 |
| darrenc | I'm ok with it being dumped somewhere secure as long there is not company sensitive information in it | 21:52 |
| darrenc | no* | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can do google docs or something | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | ill work on that tomorrow | 21:52 |
| darrenc | especially if there are other team members from other companies | 21:52 |
| darrenc | *cough* | 21:53 |
| darrenc | :) | 21:53 |
| katomo | good | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok :D | 21:53 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah sounds good to me | 21:53 |
| darrenc | thanks, that would be great | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok next thing to bring up | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | Revise Ops Guide spec with proposed content structure? | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | i think we already pretty much touched on this | 21:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | with the new content structure that needs to be worked on | 21:55 |
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| darrenc | Well I think the earlier point is removing old content | 21:55 |
| darrenc | after that, looking at the content structure with the arch guide in mind | 21:56 |
| darrenc | so atm, I'm migrating the arch content in the ops guide to the arch guide | 21:57 |
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| darrenc | so content in each guide is segregated by what you want to do, rather than persona | 21:58 |
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| darrenc | arch guide -> design a cloud | 21:59 |
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| ShillaSaebi | right | 21:59 |
| darrenc | ops guide -> deployment, maintain and trouble | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | and operate | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | :D | 21:59 |
| darrenc | yep | 21:59 |
| katomo | sounds reasonable to me | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | makes sense | 21:59 |
| darrenc | troubleshoot* | 21:59 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Arch Guide | 22:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Work items wiki page #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_restructure_work_items | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | for this section: migrate #link http://docs.openstack.org/ops-guide/architecture.htm content to the Arch Guide under the relevant sections | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | the link should be updated | 22:02 |
| darrenc | ok, that was me | 22:03 |
| darrenc | I've asked shaun to help populate the wiki page | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | great! | 22:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | lgtm | 22:03 |
| darrenc | and I'll some things to migrate the mitaka arch guide content as well | 22:04 |
| darrenc | so some help with migration would be appreciated | 22:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | noted | 22:04 |
| darrenc | So I'm done one patch already https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324179/ | 22:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | awesome! | 22:05 |
| darrenc | I've* | 22:05 |
| katomo | G! | 22:05 |
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| darrenc | progress! :P | 22:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | nice thank you darrenc | 22:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok lets move along | 22:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open discussion | 22:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | volunteers volunteers volunteers! | 22:08 |
| katomo | yeah! | 22:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | So we need volunteers to attend ops meetings and volunteers to identify outdated content or content to be removed #https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 22:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | are there any other topics anyone wants to bring up | 22:08 |
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| katomo | nothing from me | 22:10 |
| darrenc | oh, anyone hear anything about the ops midcycle? | 22:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | Seattle? | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think | 22:11 |
| darrenc | oh really? | 22:11 |
| darrenc | when? | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think so but Im not 100% sure yet | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | not sure of the date either | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | theres a planning meeting though that goes on | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | we could probably eavesdrop it | 22:11 |
| darrenc | ok cool | 22:12 |
| darrenc | sorry, coming back to the arch guide | 22:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure | 22:13 |
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| darrenc | once we have some work item to do, it might be useful to coordinate a chunk of time to focus on it | 22:14 |
| darrenc | shaun suggested a series of one day sprints | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:14 |
| katomo | good | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah would rather see one day than 2-3 day allocations | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | i think it would work better that way | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | agreed | 22:15 |
| darrenc | which I thought is easier than a 2-3 day sprint | 22:15 |
| darrenc | snap | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | true eys | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes* | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | hah | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh as far as the ops mid cycle goes: the next meeting is on: ==> Tuesday, 14 of Jun at 1400 UTC[1] in #openstack-operators | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | for the planning | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | in case :) | 22:15 |
| darrenc | ah ok | 22:15 |
| darrenc | thanks | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | yw | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 22:16 |
| darrenc | it would be great to have another ops guide working session at the midcycle | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes | 22:16 |
| darrenc | like at the Design Summit but longer | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can plan around it once we know dates and location | 22:16 |
| darrenc | 40 minutes wasn't a lot of time | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | Devon from our team, is also part of the team for the ops midcycle planning | 22:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | Ill sync with her on when the actual event is so we can plan something | 22:17 |
| darrenc | well the sooner it's planned, the greater the chance of international contributors attending | 22:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | yep! | 22:17 |
| darrenc | oh great, thanks! | 22:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok awesome, anything else? | 22:18 |
| darrenc | that's all from me | 22:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok then! meeting adjourned | 22:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | have a good one! | 22:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 22:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 22:18:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_ops_guide/2016/arch_ops_guide.2016-06-02-21.32.html | 22:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_ops_guide/2016/arch_ops_guide.2016-06-02-21.32.txt | 22:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_ops_guide/2016/arch_ops_guide.2016-06-02-21.32.log.html | 22:18 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 22:19 |
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| darrenc | thanks everyone! | 22:19 |
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