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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:00 |
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| mdbooth | o/ | 14:00 |
| tdurakov | o/ | 14:00 |
| PaulMurray | Hi all | 14:00 |
| paul-carlton1 | o/ | 14:00 |
| scheuran | hi | 14:00 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:00 |
| PaulMurray | I managed to start exactly on time today ! | 14:00 |
| PaulMurray | lets wait on minute for later comers | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | (y) | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | in the meantime - agenda here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:01 |
| luis5tb_ | hi | 14:01 |
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| PaulMurray | #topic Summit sessions | 14:01 |
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| PaulMurray | #link Nova Live Migration session: | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9095?goback=1 | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | I don't know why that came out on two lines | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | can't remember how to undo | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | #undo | 14:03 |
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| PaulMurray | #link Nova Live Migration session: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9095?goback=1 | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | anyway - we have one session | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | there are also two unconference sessions | 14:04 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | and the contributor meetup on friday | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | So we can spread anything we want to talk about over those if needed | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | What should we give priority to in the Live Migration session ? | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray: I think it's worth to add storage pool specs to etherpad too? Or there will be no changes with it? | 14:05 |
| paul-carlton1 | It will change, I'll get to it soon | 14:06 |
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| mdbooth | We should focus on controversy. | 14:06 |
| mdbooth | e.g. post-copy | 14:07 |
| luis5tb_ | are you going to discuss about how to include post-copy? | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | we could do that | 14:07 |
| paul-carlton1 | I plan to update both storage pools spec and use storage pools to do cold migrate to build on what mdbooth is doing to tidy up imagebackend etc | 14:07 |
| luis5tb_ | I will not attend the summit, but pkoniszenwski will and he will try to show the pros and cons of the approaches we've been discussing | 14:07 |
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| PaulMurray | I didn't see any more dicussion on the ML | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | So are we still with the options posted there originally | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | ? | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | I think it's important to decide on summit will we expose all new features over api or not | 14:09 |
| paul-carlton1 | Post-Copy should be enabled via config setting, if enabled then it should be set in manual mode so monitor thread can activate it using API call as deemed appropriate | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | it will affect ops and it would be good to ask them | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | Lets do that in advance - has anyone put a post on the ops ML? | 14:10 |
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| PaulMurray | I think the possition in nova is we cannot expose virt features in API | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | +1 for ops ml, to get feedback before summit | 14:10 |
| PaulMurray | We can only expose "properties" of VMs | 14:11 |
| andrearosa | +1 for not exposing driver specific flags via API | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | at an abstract level | 14:11 |
| andrearosa | we did remove the disk_over_commit even because it was a driver specific thing | 14:11 |
| davidgiluk | andrearosa: Not necessarily driver specific | 14:11 |
| tdurakov | well, here is spec from paul-carlton1 which tries to expose this things wrapping them in abstractions | 14:12 |
| tdurakov | so, there are options imho | 14:12 |
| tdurakov | I'd ask ops anyway | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | who wants to do an ops ML post ? | 14:13 |
| tdurakov | I could | 14:13 |
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| PaulMurray | #action tdurakov to post question to ops ML on live migration API for post-copy etc. | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | thanks | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | If we do this topic in the session it will eat up time, but its a good one | 14:14 |
| PaulMurray | anything else that should be there ? | 14:14 |
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| PaulMurray | will the post-copy topic also cover auto-converge | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | i.e. will it be general ? | 14:15 |
| tdurakov | I'd say yes | 14:15 |
| tdurakov | not only post-copy | 14:15 |
| paul-carlton1 | Again it should be able to be turned on or of in config | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton1, there was some debate about adding config options - so I guess this all comes together | 14:16 |
| paul-carlton1 | if on then the live migration monitir thread can set the initial throttling and increment to control when it gets used and how aggresively | 14:17 |
| tdurakov | paul-carlton1: your spec claims to expose it tbh | 14:17 |
| tdurakov | with abstraction layer, but to expose | 14:18 |
| paul-carlton1 | PaulMurray, agreed too many config options are bad but need to give operators option to turn these things off if they want | 14:18 |
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| PaulMurray | yep | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | so we'll bring this all together then | 14:19 |
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| paul-carlton1 | tdurakov, my thinking is that live mig should be told how are to try and work out what it needs to do based on what is availble | 14:19 |
| * mdbooth would like to discuss some less fully formed ideas, such as improving shared storage detection and a move to Tasks | 14:19 | |
| tdurakov | paul-carlton1: yes, but where to store such conf? on computes on controllers? There still room for options | 14:20 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth: +1 | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: You've been doing work relating to both of the above, right? | 14:20 |
| tdurakov | yes | 14:20 |
| tdurakov | there are several patches on review with poc and spec, there 2 more to be done | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | That's the kind of road-mappy type stuff which we want people to generally understand and be on board with | 14:21 |
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| * mriedem was totally in the wrong channel | 14:21 | |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, tdurakov how much time do you think that would need ? | 14:21 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth: true, I will not be on Austin Summit, but alaski will be, so he could provide some details i believe | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: Ah, that sucks. I've noted that I'd really like to do that, but not in great detail. | 14:22 |
| mriedem | PaulMurray: might want a different etherpad for the summit session since i currently have https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-live-migration linked into it | 14:22 |
| mriedem | which is more detailed than you probably want for a session | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, yes, and the notes on the sessions details page are likely to be inaccurate | 14:23 |
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| mdbooth | tdurakov: If you email me a canonical list of patches I could potentially bone up and advocate for you if you'd like. | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | by this discussion | 14:23 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth: sure | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, I can reorganise the etherpad | 14:23 |
| tdurakov | well, I could start ml for that | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, Its a place holder for now | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: Sure thing | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: Pretty sure I'll have read most of them at some point anyway | 14:24 |
| mriedem | PaulMurray: maybe off topic, but is the subteam tracking this? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/migration-state-machine | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | the owner was asking for it to be re-approved for newton, it'll probably come up in the thursday nova meeting | 14:25 |
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| PaulMurray | mriedem, we were tracking that in mitaka | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, its not on the list in thenewton etherpad | 14:26 |
| mdbooth | I recall having looked at it a while back and approving of the concept at least | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, it was not approved for mitaka, only discussed - so needs proper review | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | bac to topic | 14:27 |
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| PaulMurray | We have two items for the main session: | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | how to expose post-copy etc | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | and shared storage detection | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | That is plenty for one session | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | And may over spill | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | there are topics in the neutron/nova session that cover live migration | 14:29 |
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| PaulMurray | - possibly cinder too (mutli attach) | 14:29 |
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| PaulMurray | mdbooth, do you need to do anything on storage pools ? | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | or is that just spec review now | 14:30 |
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| mdbooth | PaulMurray: I'm hoping there's nothing controversial in there other than the churn in that specific code. | 14:30 |
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| PaulMurray | ok | 14:30 |
| mdbooth | So I'll likely advocate for it generally | 14:30 |
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| PaulMurray | We also need a plan for CI - but that can be covered on the friday session | 14:31 |
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| PaulMurray | anything else should go into the unconference sessions | 14:31 |
| luis5tb_ | PaulMurray: will it be possible to follow the session online? or get access to some session minutes if not? | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | luis5tb_, I think the best hope will be etherpads | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | I don't think there is anything live | 14:32 |
| luis5tb_ | ok, thanks! | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | Note: I will be presenting (along with pkoniszewski and andrearosa at the same time as the weds unconference, so I will see if we can get preference for thrus if there | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | are topics on the unconference list | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | our talk will be live migration in mitaka | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | BTW | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | #action PaulMurray sort out agenda | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | #undo | 14:35 |
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| PaulMurray | #action PaulMurray sort out agenda for summit session | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Specs | 14:36 |
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| PaulMurray | Very little review on the specs at the moment | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | anything anyone wants to bring up ? | 14:36 |
| tdurakov | about specs? | 14:37 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, yep - there are about 10 on the etherpad with very little review | 14:37 |
| tdurakov | action- review specs? | 14:38 |
| PaulMurray | yes please - especially with the summit next week | 14:38 |
| PaulMurray | #action sub-team to review specs on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:38 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray: what the difference between Unapproved Specs and Work Items in etherpad? | 14:39 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, the unapproved specs should really be what is up for review in the priorities-tracking page | 14:40 |
| tdurakov | acked | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | in mitaka I ended up with a list of specs approaved and specs not approved at the bottom of the sub-team etherpad | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | just to remember what should be done and what is not going to be done in this cycle | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | the list of work items built up with notes all through the cycle | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | I reorganised it at the summit to reflect the priority for the cycle | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | decided at the time | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | For now we should go by the priorities tracking link above | 14:42 |
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| PaulMurray | anything else to discuss ? | 14:43 |
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| PaulMurray | No meeting next week due to summit | 14:44 |
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| PaulMurray | If you are there, say hello - especially if I haven't met you before | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | :) | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | thanks for coming | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| andrearosa | bye | 14:44 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 19 14:44:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-04-19-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-04-19-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-04-19-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
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| tdurakov | bye | 14:44 |
| davidgiluk | paul-carlton1: I'm just adding some comments to your migration completion spec; just as soon as I get my head around gerrit | 14:45 |
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| scheuran | Hi PaulMurray, another quick question. I just was thinking if it would be a good idea to have a session on the nova unconference, explaining the problems between nova-neutron communication, of course with the background of the live migration enhancements I'm looking for | 14:47 |
| scheuran | PaulMurray, what do you think? | 14:47 |
| scheuran | so no discussion - but just making people aware of the effort... | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | you will have about 10 mins | 14:47 |
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| PaulMurray | and possibillity for more follow up on friday | 14:48 |
| scheuran | PaulMurray, that's enough for presenting the what are the issues today.. | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | all you need to do is put it on the etherpad linked from the session details on the summit web site | 14:48 |
| scheuran | PaulMurray, ok cool | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | I think there is something on the neutron/nova cross project session | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | as well | 14:49 |
| scheuran | I'll have a look there again I addes something there a while ago, not sure where it ended... | 14:49 |
| scheuran | thanks! | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting stable | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 15:01 |
| dims | o/ | 15:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 15:01 |
| mriedem | i wasn't planning on running this today, so the agenda is stale | 15:01 |
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| mriedem | #topic status | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: stable)" | 15:02 | |
| mriedem | there is one new known issue for kilo | 15:02 |
| mriedem | testresources 2.0.0 released yesterday and breaks stable/kilo dsvm jobs | 15:02 |
| mriedem | there is a cap here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307858/ | 15:02 |
| bknudson | makes sense to cap it | 15:03 |
| mrunge | yeah | 15:03 |
| mriedem | im just waiting for jenkins to pass on it | 15:03 |
| mriedem | but the check queue is way backed up | 15:03 |
| mriedem | so could be awhile | 15:03 |
| mriedem | anything else on status or issues? | 15:04 |
| dims | mriedem : just kilo for now? | 15:04 |
| mrunge | I would have something else | 15:04 |
| mriedem | dims: as far as i know | 15:04 |
| dims | ack mriedem | 15:04 |
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| mriedem | yeah liberty u-c uses 1.0.0 https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/stable/liberty/upper-constraints.txt#L314 | 15:05 |
| mriedem | mrunge: ok | 15:05 |
| dims | mriedem : we had to add upper-constraints to keystone master/liberty/mitaka over the weekend | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | sorry, late o/ | 15:05 |
| mrunge | o/ | 15:05 |
| mriedem | dims: as in had to use u-c for the keystone unit test jobs? | 15:06 |
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| dims | mriedem : yep | 15:06 |
| mriedem | ok, good | 15:06 |
| mriedem | we did that for nova on liberty 2 weeks ago | 15:06 |
| mriedem | mrunge: did you have an issue? | 15:06 |
| mrunge | ah yes, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091655.html | 15:06 |
| dims | y, i copied over tox.ini snippets from nova | 15:06 |
| mriedem | mrunge: can we hold that for open discussion? | 15:06 |
| mrunge | ack | 15:06 |
| mriedem | unless rob is breaking the gate | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | :) | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | #topic release news | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | nova 12.0.3 was released for liberty last week | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | that's about all i know, i don't have a list of any proposed stable branch releases on me | 15:07 |
| mriedem | i'm assuming tonyb has been getting added to those reviews by the releases team | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | it's probably a good idea to run the unreleased changes script though to see which projects should consider doing a release | 15:08 |
| mriedem | #action run the unreleased changes script to see which projects should consider doing a stable branch release | 15:08 |
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| dims | mriedem : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306525/ cinder liberty needs input | 15:09 |
| mrunge | mriedem, could you make that a more regular job? | 15:09 |
| mriedem | mrunge: as in...? | 15:09 |
| mrunge | maybe each week? | 15:09 |
| mriedem | personally i don't want to be responsible for that | 15:09 |
| mrunge | just a reminder for projects? | 15:09 |
| mrunge | I understand. I just thought of it as a a nag-mail | 15:10 |
| mriedem | yeah, i have other cats to herd now | 15:10 |
| mriedem | so i don't have time for that | 15:10 |
| mriedem | someone else could do it though | 15:10 |
| mriedem | i also don't think it needs to probably be done weekly | 15:10 |
| mriedem | for sure around milestones | 15:10 |
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| mriedem | dims: ok, i can look at that one | 15:10 |
| mriedem | dims: note that tonyb did +1 it | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | mriedem: I guess it's per project decision how often to make it | 15:11 |
| mriedem | yeah, neutron for sure needs to do it more often | 15:11 |
| mriedem | because of their rate of backports | 15:12 |
| mriedem | anyway, i'll try to do it this week | 15:12 |
| dims | mriedem : ack i missed that update from last night | 15:12 |
| mriedem | #topic tagging | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tagging (Meeting topic: stable)" | 15:12 | |
| mriedem | i haven't seen any new requests for the stable:follows-policy tag in the governance repo | 15:12 |
| mriedem | ttx was adding stable PTL to those though | 15:13 |
| mriedem | #topic tooling | 15:13 |
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| mriedem | #link ihrachys has a series of tooling changes here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:ihrachys%2540redhat.com+status:open+openstack-infra/release-tools | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | yeah, and we use those tools for neutron massive backports. people are welcome to start adopting for their needs. | 15:13 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 15:14 |
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| mriedem | anyone have anything for this? | 15:14 |
| mriedem | ihrachys: i asked sdague to review the nova liberty MTU patches | 15:14 |
| mriedem | he posted some questions | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | great. I will check them. | 15:14 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 15:15 |
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| sdague | yeh, on the second one, I was a little concerned the ovs type being referenced is too new to be available in liberty | 15:15 |
| bknudson | since we've got stable/mitaka is stable/liberty now in phase 2? | 15:15 |
| bknudson | http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html#support-phases | 15:15 |
| mriedem | bknudson: i'd prefer to wait until the summit to decide that, but probably | 15:15 |
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| sdague | it's probably fine to make summit the cutoff vs. a strict 6 months | 15:16 |
| mriedem | #info we'll decide on the support phase for stable/liberty at the newton summit next week | 15:16 |
| sdague | do we actually have kilo eol published somewhere? | 15:16 |
| bknudson | I wasn't sure if it was 6 months or just the # of stable branches available | 15:16 |
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| mriedem | sdague: there is a thing in the releases repo yeah | 15:16 |
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| bknudson | the next line says: only one branch is in Phase I support and only one branch is in Phase II support. | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | sdague: I thought there is a cross project discussion that may end up prolonging support for kilo | 15:17 |
| mriedem | http://releases.openstack.org/ | 15:17 |
| sdague | ah, cool, 05/02 | 15:17 |
| mriedem | ihrachys: right, there is, on tuesday | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-branch-eol-policy-newton | 15:17 |
| mriedem | #link tuesday xp session on stable branch eol policy https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9474 | 15:17 |
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| mriedem | there are some other stable related talks on tuesday at the summit, those are linked in the meeting agenda | 15:18 |
| mriedem | like co-installability requirements and backward compat for libraries | 15:18 |
| mriedem | mrunge: ok, you wanted to talk about that ML thread | 15:19 |
| mrunge | I just wanted to ask about the process to add someone to be stable-maint for a project | 15:19 |
| mrunge | this caused it: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091655.html | 15:19 |
| mrunge | in the past, we had the ptl as another stable maint for a project | 15:20 |
| mrunge | but tonyb -1 it. | 15:20 |
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| mriedem | mrunge: and i agreed with the -1 | 15:20 |
| mrunge | ping robcresswell it's about you | 15:20 |
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| mriedem | mrunge: given the lack of reviews | 15:20 |
| robcresswell | Yep, I'm here. | 15:20 |
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| mrunge | so: what to do to get someone to be stable maint for a project | 15:20 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, stable in Horizon has in general been neglected. | 15:20 |
| mriedem | the same way you get to be core on any project | 15:20 |
| mrunge | I mean, ultimately, the PTL should be in charge | 15:21 |
| mriedem | you devote time to reviewing changes | 15:21 |
| robcresswell | We're now in a position where we have a single active stable core. | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | yes, I don't believe +2 should be granted for any repo without prior successfull history of reviews. | 15:21 |
| * ttx lurks | 15:21 | |
| robcresswell | I agree, me and tony spoke privately at the time | 15:21 |
| mriedem | there is a reason we have specific stable core teams on projects | 15:21 |
| mriedem | which are not the main project core team | 15:21 |
| ttx | not that I pushed a proposal to retire has-stable-branches | 15:21 |
| robcresswell | Just wanted to explain the odd situation we've ended up in. | 15:21 |
| mriedem | b/c the review rules are different | 15:21 |
| ttx | as we discussed before | 15:21 |
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| mrunge | we have a *very* few cores for stable in horizon | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | robcresswell: so be the first one, show that you are capable to apply policies. for the time being, other stable maintainers will need to merge patches. | 15:22 |
| ttx | tonyb, mriedem: feel free to +1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305702/ | 15:22 |
| mriedem | right, the stable-maint-core team can also +2 stable branch changes for horizon | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | it should not take much time. we probably need a mentor for the new candidate for horizon stable core-ship. | 15:22 |
| mriedem | until the horizon stable branch team is more populated | 15:22 |
| robcresswell | ihrachys: Indeed, and I have been for the past few weeks, Was planning on bringing it up again around June time. | 15:23 |
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| mrunge | that leaves us in a difficult situation | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | robcresswell: nice. I guess you have a list of patches that you believe are ready, so you solicit help with merges for the time being from stable-core-maint members. | 15:23 |
| mrunge | with only 2-3 stable cores in horizon | 15:23 |
| robcresswell | ihrachys: Yes, just been pushing patches through and pinging the members of the stable horizon team that are sort-of around. | 15:24 |
| mrunge | or more 2 and 2 changing positions | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | mrunge: I don't think anyone is against expanding the team. | 15:24 |
| mriedem | robcresswell: you can also be pinging the stable-maint-core team in #openstack-stable | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | robcresswell: right. you can also reach global team, not just horizon folks. | 15:24 |
| mriedem | +1 to everything ihrachys is saying | 15:24 |
| robcresswell | Understood | 15:25 |
| mrunge | I totally get that, it's not about lowering rules for stable backports | 15:25 |
| mrunge | so, how many reviews will it take? | 15:25 |
| mrunge | we don't have that many backports for horizon at all | 15:26 |
| mriedem | you're missing the point | 15:26 |
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| mriedem | it's also quality of reviews, which for stable is really just about enforcing policy more or less | 15:26 |
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| mriedem | so i think at this point it's just a matter of the stable-maint-core team reviewing the stable branch stuff for horizon that the horizon team has already gone through | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | and gate breakage chasing | 15:27 |
| mriedem | then we should have a better idea of the state of things | 15:27 |
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| mriedem | btw, this is nothing against robcresswell | 15:27 |
| mrunge | heh. the number of backports in horizon is rather small | 15:27 |
| mriedem | #action stable-maint-core team needs to look at the horizon stable backports given their project-specific team has shrunk | 15:28 |
| mrunge | that means, it will take a significant amount of time to get a reasonable number of reviews | 15:28 |
| bknudson | stable reviewers don't have to limit themselves to horizon | 15:28 |
| bknudson | if you want to practice on keystone, please do. | 15:28 |
| mriedem | bknudson: no, they don't, but if other projects have at least 2-3 stable cores they aren't in this situation | 15:28 |
| * mrunge feels uneasy to review changes e.g for neutron | 15:28 | |
| mriedem | so we have a first step, | 15:29 |
| mriedem | mrunge and robcresswell can keep chugging away at horizon backport reviews, | 15:30 |
| mriedem | and then i think we can come back to this after the summit | 15:30 |
| mriedem | because i'm not comfortable just adding robcresswell today | 15:30 |
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| robcresswell | Fair enough | 15:30 |
| mriedem | and the stable-maint-core team can help out with the +W | 15:30 |
| mrunge | yes, I did not expect any change today | 15:30 |
| robcresswell | mrunge is one of stable cores that is leaving :) It's only david-lyle who is active now. | 15:30 |
| mrunge | so thank you | 15:30 |
| robcresswell | Thanks for your time | 15:31 |
| mriedem | we should probably be cleaning out the group ACLs in gerrit if people are leaving too | 15:31 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/537,members | 15:31 |
| robcresswell | Its on the list, but many are in transitioning periods and are still reviewing. | 15:31 |
| mriedem | i can literally walk down the hall and kick doug-fish = | 15:31 |
| mrunge | I'm not completely away, but +2 for revisiting members based on reviews | 15:31 |
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| mrunge | just kick, or kick out? | 15:32 |
| mriedem | literally kick | 15:32 |
| mrunge | ;-) | 15:32 |
| mriedem | ok, so we have our todos, and we can reassess after the summit | 15:32 |
| mriedem | sound good? | 15:32 |
| mrunge | yes, thanks | 15:32 |
| mriedem | cool | 15:32 |
| mriedem | anything else for open discussion? | 15:33 |
| mriedem | nope, ok, let's end early | 15:33 |
| mriedem | thanks everyone | 15:33 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 19 15:33:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-04-19-15.00.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-04-19-15.00.txt | 15:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-04-19-15.00.log.html | 15:33 |
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| mriedem | btw, no stable team meeting next week | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | mriedem: what about the week after? | 15:42 |
| mriedem | ihrachys: i assume there will be a meeting, that's the only thing i updated in the agenda :) | 15:42 |
| mriedem | next meeting is tuesday 5/3 | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | ok, thanks. | 15:43 |
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| devkulkarni1 | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 19 17:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| devkulkarni1 | Devdatta Kulkarni | 17:00 |
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| vijendar | o/ | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | hi vijendar | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | lets wait for few minutes | 17:02 |
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| devkulkarni1 | here is the agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-04-19_1700_UTC | 17:03 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni1: did any one else join the meeting? | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: no, right now its just you and me | 17:07 |
| vijendar | ok | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu said he will join later | 17:08 |
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| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: lets wait for 10 more minutes.. if no one shows up we can end the meeting then | 17:09 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni1: sure | 17:09 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: as we are waiting, I have one quick question | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni1 | sure | 17:10 |
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| vijendar | is there any limit on length of the languagepack/app name? | 17:10 |
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| devkulkarni1 | yes, there is | 17:10 |
| vijendar | and also languagepack/app image name | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni1 | yes | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni1 | let me check the schema | 17:11 |
| vijendar | do remember what that length is? | 17:11 |
| vijendar | ok | 17:11 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I remember we had put it in to get around some issue | 17:11 |
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| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: https://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/solum/objects/sqlalchemy/image.py | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | lp name can be 100 characters | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | and so is du name | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | lps and dus are stored in the image table | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | app name also has same limit | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/solum/objects/sqlalchemy/app.py | 17:13 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni1: thanks | 17:13 |
| Ablu | I am there | 17:15 |
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| devkulkarni1 | hi Ablu | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni1 | we have vijendar as well | 17:16 |
| vijendar | Hi Ablu | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | cool, we can get started then | 17:16 |
| vijendar | sure | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | here is the agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-04-19_1700_UTC | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Announcements | 17:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:16 | |
| devkulkarni1 | Austin summit sessions related to/featuring Solum | 17:16 |
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| devkulkarni1 | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Solum | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni1 | If you check above link, you should see all the sessions related to Solum happening at the OpenStack summit next week here in Austin | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu, vijendar: I am working on presentation for fishbowl session. In this presentation I would like to include your use-cases and experiences. | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni1 | would that be okay with you? | 17:18 |
| Ablu | For me yes, though of course it is not "my" usecase really :p | 17:19 |
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| devkulkarni1 | sure, it is the use case from the research group that you are part of | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni1 | :) | 17:20 |
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| devkulkarni1 | thanks Ablu | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni1 | I will be also including use-case and experience of ashishjain and his colleagues/team from wipro | 17:21 |
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| devkulkarni1 | if you have any thoughts on what worked for you in solum, what can be changed/improved, what was unexpected, etc. please send them my way | 17:22 |
| Ablu | back | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: you did not miss much | 17:23 |
| vijendar | sure | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni1 | thanks vijendar | 17:23 |
| Ablu | devkulkarni1: i see all logs :) | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni1 | 2) Keystone cli is getting deprecated | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: +1 :) | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni1 | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092611.html | 17:24 |
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| devkulkarni1 | ^^ was sent out recently by Keystone PTL | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni1 | basically they are removing keystone cli from the keystone-client code | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni1 | they want everyone to move over to using openstack cli for doing things like, user creation, role creation, user-role association, etc. | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | I checked this morning if we are going to be affected by this | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | fortunately, we are not. we have already moved away from keystone cli a while back | 17:26 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: that's good to know | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni1 | if you are curious, the place where we used to use keystone cli is: https://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni1 | you can search for things like 'user create' in that file | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni1 | and you will see that we are using 'openstack user create' etc. | 17:27 |
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| devkulkarni1 | this was the place where we earlier used to use the keystone-cli | 17:27 |
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| devkulkarni1 | alright.. so those were the announcements that I had prepared | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni1 | are they announcements that any of you would like to make? | 17:28 |
| vijendar | none from me | 17:28 |
| Ablu | not from me either I guess :P | 17:29 |
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| devkulkarni1 | alright | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni1 | lets move on to the next topic then | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Review Action Items | 17:29 |
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| devkulkarni1 | (devkulkarni) (todo) Follow up with the devstack team | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni1 | I haven't gotten around to doing this yet. Will carry it forward | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni1 | #action devkulkarni to follow up with the devstack team regarding n-dhcp log file issue which is causing solum's devstack gate tests to fail | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Patches for Review | 17:30 |
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| devkulkarni1 | there were couple of patches that I pushed last week | 17:31 |
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| devkulkarni1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306579/ — this allows creation of an app in solum without requiring a corresponding languagepack to be created first | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306580/ —> this is the corresponding cli patch | 17:31 |
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| devkulkarni1 | the reason we need this functionality is explained in the bug description: | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1571011 | 17:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1571011 in Solum "make-languagepack-optional-in-app-create" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Devdatta Kulkarni (devdatta-kulkarni) | 17:32 |
| Ablu | What is "DU" in this context? | 17:33 |
| Ablu | (the issue mentions it) | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: good question.. a DU is short form for 'Deployment unit' | 17:33 |
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| Ablu | ah ok. | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni1 | it is basically Docker container formed from injecting application code into the languagepack docker container | 17:34 |
| Ablu | Yep, got it. | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: cool | 17:34 |
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| devkulkarni1 | the setup that ashishjain is working on needs this functionality | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni1 | the other patch that I submitted this to put a limit on the number of languagepacks that can be created | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306637/ | 17:35 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: so each deployment with DU specified will be a new app? | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: good question. I think the current code does not check whether an app exists or not. But I think I should check that | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni1 | right now, yes, it will have to be a separate app.. 'solum app create <app-name> —no-languagepack' will register the app | 17:38 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: does that mean, app needs to be pre-created? | 17:38 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: I see | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni1 | then 'solum app deploy <app-name> —du-id <du-id>' will deploy the app | 17:38 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni1: probably that is not the right behavior..I am not sure | 17:38 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: I take that back.. probably it is OK :) | 17:39 |
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| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: the other behavior could be that we can create an app if it does not exist, something like: 'solum app deploy <app-name> —du-id <du-id> —no-languagepack' | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | the problem is that 'solum app deploy' is actually a POST to /v1/apps/<app-id>/workflows' | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | so we still have to first create an app (using POST /v1/apps) and then call the POST to workflows | 17:41 |
| vijendar | ok | 17:41 |
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| devkulkarni1 | but the —no-languagepack flag does not make sense for the 'solum app deploy' command | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni1 | oh, btw, let me take my earlier point back | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni1 | where I was saying that, for multiple deploys, we will end up creating an app.. that is actually not the case | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni1 | since you already have an app name, you can just call 'solum app deploy <app-name> —du-id <du-id-1>' | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni1 | solum app deploy <app-name> —du-id <du-id-2> | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni1 | and so on | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni1 | but good question vijendar | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu, vijendar: please take a look at the code whenever you get a chance | 17:44 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: sure | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni1 | alright | 17:44 |
| Ablu | I quickly viewed it, but I do not know your code really... | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: sure.. can understand. you will get to know the code slowly as you get more familiar with it | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni1 | so no pressure | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni1 | are there any patches that you want to discuss? | 17:45 |
| vijendar | no | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni1 | alright | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Open Discussion | 17:47 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Summit sessions | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/#day=2016-04-25 | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni1 | summit schedule is up | 17:47 |
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| vijendar | thanks devkulkarni1 for sharing the schedule | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni1 | btw, I propose we cancel next week's meeting as most of community will be at the summit | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni1 | what do you think? | 17:49 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: +1 | 17:49 |
| Ablu | For me it is a hassle with the train always anyway :) | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: :) | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni1 | alright then. | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni1 | we will cancel next week's meeting. we can reconvene on May 3 2016 | 17:50 |
| vijendar | sure | 17:50 |
| devkulkarni1 | anything else that you want to discuss in open discussion? | 17:51 |
| Ablu | nothing from my side :) | 17:51 |
| stevemar | devkulkarni1: thanks for migrating over to openstackclient :) | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni1 | stevemar: :) | 17:52 |
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| devkulkarni1 | stevemar: actually we did it long time back.. your email got me checking it again in our code base | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | looks like we are safe | 17:53 |
| stevemar | yep, looks like it - at least codesearch didn't find anything for solum :) | 17:53 |
| Ablu | Have a nice evening (or day for america) | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni1 | yep.. btw, how are others progressing on it? reading your email I felt there were quite a few projects | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: thanks | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: have a great night | 17:54 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: I will be available on irc throughout the week | 17:55 |
| devkulkarni1 | so if you want to discuss anything, share anything, you should be able to find me | 17:55 |
| stevemar | devkulkarni1: its actually fewer projects than i initially thought :) | 17:55 |
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| Ablu | ok :) | 17:55 |
| devkulkarni1 | stevemar: I see.. that is good to know | 17:55 |
| stevemar | devkulkarni1: ceilometer/ironic/murano/designate all tossed up fixes really quickly | 17:56 |
| devkulkarni1 | nice!! | 17:56 |
| stevemar | the others... well, they are fairly disconnected anyway, i may just fix them myself | 17:56 |
| devkulkarni1 | oh | 17:56 |
| stevemar | like gce-api and kiloeyes | 17:56 |
| stevemar | *shakes fist at big tent* | 17:57 |
| devkulkarni1 | btw, just something that came to my mind when I read the email.. whether the client release could be postponed to after the summit? as many folks might not be able to take action.. | 17:57 |
| devkulkarni1 | ha ha | 17:57 |
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| devkulkarni1 | alright everyone | 18:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | thanks for joining today | 18:00 |
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| devkulkarni1 | we will meet after the summit in two weeks | 18:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 19 18:00:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-04-19-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-04-19-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-04-19-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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