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| anil_rao | #startmeeting taas | 06:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 06:29:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anil_rao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:29 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:29 |
| yamamot__ | hi | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | Hello | 06:30 |
| soichi | hi | 06:30 |
| kaz | hello | 06:30 |
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| anil_rao | Great, let's get started. | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | #topic Summit planning schedule finalization , and what are our AI for the summit | 06:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit planning schedule finalization , and what are our AI for the summit (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:31 | |
| anil_rao | Do folks feel we need a separate topic for TaaS | 06:31 |
| soichi | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 06:31 |
| soichi | what do you say to add TaaS (*aaS) as a topic? | 06:32 |
| anil_rao | I am for it. :-) | 06:32 |
| soichi | okay, thank you. | 06:33 |
| soichi | i think we need to join discussion about ovs agent refactoring (e.g. soft restarting) | 06:33 |
| soichi | issue: when ovs agent restarted, taas flows (and flows without cookie) will be removed | 06:33 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Agree. I'll add some entries in there | 06:33 |
| soichi | yes, please | 06:34 |
| anil_rao | Let's move to the next item | 06:34 |
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| anil_rao | #topic TaaS Dashboard discussion | 06:35 |
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| soichi | i hope the dashboard works fine on your site | 06:35 |
| anil_rao | soichi,kaz: I will be installing theTaaS dashboard tomorrow. | 06:35 |
| anil_rao | I wanted to first ensure that the neutron client option was working correctly. | 06:35 |
| soichi | i see | 06:36 |
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| soichi | now we have only 2 weeks or so until summit | 06:36 |
| soichi | so, i'm planing to prepare a back up plan | 06:36 |
| soichi | that is, making a demo video to show how to create a tap-service and a tap-flow from dashboard | 06:36 |
| anil_rao | soichi: I have most of the backend side working already. After I hook up the Dashboard the plan is to record everything on a video. | 06:37 |
| anil_rao | We will be using two experiments -- 1) data-analytics and 2) security (IDS) | 06:37 |
| anil_rao | The plan it to drive things via the GUI | 06:37 |
| soichi | it dounds fine | 06:38 |
| soichi | dounds -> sounds | 06:38 |
| anil_rao | soichi: I might have some questions for Kaz and you if I run into a problem. | 06:38 |
| soichi | yes, of course | 06:39 |
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| anil_rao | I think the Dashboard will be a big step forward compared to last year's demo. :) | 06:39 |
| soichi | thank you | 06:39 |
| anil_rao | soichi, kaz: Anything else you wanted to add/update on the Dashboard? | 06:40 |
| soichi | we don't have | 06:40 |
| anil_rao | Here is one if you don't mind. | 06:41 |
| soichi | yes | 06:41 |
| anil_rao | My current DevStack already has the new version of Horizon network topology. I am guessing that after I being in the Kilo commit I should be back to the older format | 06:41 |
| anil_rao | Is that correct? | 06:41 |
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| soichi | yes, you need to use the commit written in the instcution guide Kaz had sent to you | 06:43 |
| anil_rao | Thanks for confirming. Sounds good. | 06:43 |
| anil_rao | #topic Update on TaaS traffic testing | 06:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update on TaaS traffic testing (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:44 | |
| anil_rao | Here is a short update on the traffic testing. | 06:44 |
| anil_rao | The neutron client issue we had seen when the tap-service and tap-flow lists were empty is now gone. Looks like something got fixed in the latest DevStack | 06:45 |
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| reedip | cliff update | 06:46 |
| anil_rao | Yes | 06:46 |
| anil_rao | Some of reedip's patches are stuck but bringing them in manually fixes the issues they were designed for. | 06:46 |
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| anil_rao | I haven't tested the update commands, but they will not be necessary for the Summit demo. | 06:47 |
| anil_rao | The other commands are working correctly, so the neutron client side looks great. | 06:47 |
| reedip | they need +A now.... most of them are fixed, and the once which are not would have a merge conflict so I am awaiting the merge of current +2 patches | 06:47 |
| anil_rao | reedip: I'll see to that tomorrow morning. | 06:48 |
| reedip | sure | 06:48 |
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| anil_rao | yamamoto's latest review for removing the network parameter should get in. I'll complete that review too tomorrow. | 06:48 |
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| anil_rao | That should make things cleaner w.r.t. to the client usage. | 06:49 |
| reedip | yup | 06:49 |
| anil_rao | On the agent/driver side we have one problem. | 06:49 |
| anil_rao | Upon start up it seems like the ML2 driver is wiping out the initial TaaS driver flows in br-tun. | 06:50 |
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| anil_rao | When I stop and restart the TaaS driver (manually) the TaaS flows come back. | 06:50 |
| anil_rao | After that all is good. Traffic flows as expected when tap-flows are added to a tap-service instance. | 06:51 |
| yamamot__ | are you talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/tap-as-a-service/+bug/1525775 ? | 06:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1525775 in neutron "When ovs-agent is restarted flows creatd by other than ovs-agent are deleted." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to SUZUKI, Kazuhiro (kaz-k) | 06:51 |
| anil_rao | Actually on my system this is noticed right after running stack.sh. | 06:52 |
| anil_rao | I think after the TaaS driver has run its init routine the ML2 driver is cleaning somehing up. | 06:53 |
| yamamot__ | depending on the timing, i think it can be right after stack.sh. | 06:53 |
| anil_rao | I want to get the demo setup ready for the Summit first. We can look into this later. | 06:53 |
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| reedip | you can restart TaaS in your stack.sh if you want a true hack | 06:54 |
| reedip | that ways once stack.sh is completed and ML2 is almost over, you can restart TaaS service | 06:54 |
| anil_rao | Its not a big deal for the moment, so I'll let it be. After I manually restart the TaaS agent all is fine. | 06:54 |
| yamamot__ | reedip: do you think l2 agent extension can be done anytime soon? | 06:55 |
| reedip | you wont be able to start it via Dashboard :) | 06:55 |
| reedip | yamamot__ I have studied the L2 extension spec | 06:55 |
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| reedip | yamamot__ do you know of any projects which have done similar migrations, I can take some hints from there as well | 06:56 |
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| anil_rao | The setup I have comprises of the following: 1 controller, 1 network, 2-3 compute | 06:56 |
| yamamot__ | i'm not aware of any, besides in-tree one (qos) | 06:56 |
| anil_rao | Both local and remote port-mirroring is working. | 06:56 |
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| reedip | yamamot__ Ok, let me exp myself, and will ping you and other neutrinoes :) | 06:57 |
| reedip | when I get stuck | 06:57 |
| yamamot__ | reedip: i _think_ it isn't too difficult. but let's see. :-) | 06:57 |
| reedip | yamamot__ I cannot say the same, whats easy for you may be an everest for me :) | 06:58 |
| reedip | but atleast it would help me understand! | 06:58 |
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| anil_rao | We have two issues remaining: | 06:59 |
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| yamamot__ | anil_rao: great to hear it still works regardless of the lack of automated tests | 06:59 |
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| anil_rao | Yes, suprising isn't it. I have been testing it through every now and then manually. :) | 07:00 |
| anil_rao | A few remaining issues: | 07:00 |
| anil_rao | 1. Interaction with anti-arp spoofing flows in br-int. | 07:00 |
| anil_rao | Toward this we can discuss with the OVS agent externsion folks at the summit. I'll add an item to the design summit idea page | 07:01 |
| anil_rao | 2. Problem with traffic capture when TaaS agent is running on the network node. | 07:01 |
| anil_rao | This has to do with the use of vlans by the br-ex bridge. | 07:02 |
| anil_rao | I'll look into this to see and try to find a fix. | 07:02 |
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| yamamot__ | you might want to avoid br-ex. eg. use flat provider network instead | 07:04 |
| anil_rao | That should be it for the traffic update. | 07:04 |
| anil_rao | yamamot_: OK | 07:05 |
| yamamot__ | wrt testing, i wrote a small utility and it was convenient for me during developement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301841/ | 07:05 |
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| anil_rao | yamamot_: That is nice! | 07:06 |
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| kaz_ | +1 | 07:07 |
| soichi | +1 | 07:07 |
| reedip | yeah, it was a pretty nifty creation | 07:07 |
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| anil_rao | soichi,kaz: I'll report back after I have the TaaS Dashboard hooked up. :-) | 07:08 |
| kaz_ | Yes, please | 07:09 |
| anil_rao | #topic midonet implementation (crude but working) | 07:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midonet implementation (crude but working) (Meeting topic: taas)" | 07:09 | |
| yamamot__ | it's mine | 07:09 |
| anil_rao | Yes. | 07:10 |
| yamamot__ | just fyi, i have another working implementation of taas api, backed by midonet. | 07:10 |
| yamamot__ | see the link on the agenda incase you're interested. | 07:10 |
| yamamot__ | that's all. | 07:10 |
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| anil_rao | yamamot__: What is the difference between the two versions, if I may ask? | 07:11 |
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| yamamot__ | it's for midonet, which is completely different implementation of l2/l3. | 07:13 |
| yamamot__ | i tried to make it semantically equivalent of ovs impl. | 07:13 |
| yamamot__ | but there are small differences i guess. | 07:13 |
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| anil_rao | yamamot__: Thanks. Sounds good. Did you find any thing in the TaaS API that could be done differently/better. | 07:14 |
| yamamot__ | duplicated tap flows (a question i asked in the previous meeting) | 07:15 |
| yamamot__ | midonet impl does just work for those flows | 07:15 |
| anil_rao | I would argue that they are not duplicated flows but different flows with same ports but mapping to different tap-services. | 07:16 |
| yamamot__ | so for midonet impl the current taas api is ok. | 07:16 |
| anil_rao | Did I have that right? | 07:16 |
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| yamamot__ | midonet impl just works even if they are completely same (same source and same dest) | 07:17 |
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| anil_rao | Why would you want same source to same dest done more than once? | 07:17 |
| yamamot__ | i don't know. the current api allows tham and i had no reason to reject them. | 07:18 |
| yamamot__ | a difficulty was tapping "position" wrt security groups. | 07:18 |
| anil_rao | However, that just consumes extra flows but doesn't provide any other benefit unless I am missing something. | 07:19 |
| anil_rao | I think we should disallow that case. | 07:19 |
| yamamot__ | sure, i don't object if you want to reject such flows at api level or impl level. i just stated a difference between midonet impl and ovs impl. | 07:20 |
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| anil_rao | Understand and agree. | 07:20 |
| yamamot__ | the current tapping position is from the implementation detail of ovs and was not suitable to midonet impl. | 07:20 |
| anil_rao | I think what we should be supporting instead is same source port and multiple tap-service instances. I plan to add that support for OVS. | 07:21 |
| yamamot__ | many of work in midonet side was to overcome the difference. | 07:21 |
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| yamamot__ | anil_rao: it works for midonet as well | 07:22 |
| anil_rao | I think we should rethink the tapping position. Any idea if/when Security Groups will come out of the Linux bridge | 07:22 |
| anil_rao | yamamot__: I am glad you have that working. We need that on OVS too. :-) | 07:23 |
| anil_rao | Its good to see another backend implementation for TaaS. | 07:24 |
| yamamot__ | anil_rao: i guess it's mostly impossible as far as SG is implemented in LB. we need flow-based SG. | 07:24 |
| anil_rao | yamamot__: +1 | 07:24 |
| yamamot__ | fortunately flow-based SG is actively being worked on these days | 07:25 |
| anil_rao | yamamot__: That is great! Perhaps we should interact with those folks at the summit. | 07:25 |
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| anil_rao | Let's move to open discussion | 07:26 |
| anil_rao | #topic Open Discussion | 07:26 |
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| anil_rao | What do folks think about moving the TaaS IRC meeting one hour earlier. | 07:27 |
| yamamot__ | fine for me | 07:27 |
| anil_rao | With the change to summer/daylight time it is quite late here in the US. | 07:27 |
| soichi | no problem for me, too | 07:28 |
| kaz_ | ok | 07:28 |
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| anil_rao | Vinay also prefers it because of their time change (Sweeden) | 07:28 |
| yamamot__ | i'm glad we have no daylight saving here :-) | 07:28 |
| anil_rao | yamamot__: :-) | 07:29 |
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| anil_rao | OK, we are out of time for today. We'll continue next week. | 07:29 |
| anil_rao | #endmeeting | 07:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 07:29:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:29 |
| yamamot__ | thank you | 07:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-04-06-06.29.html | 07:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-04-06-06.29.txt | 07:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-04-06-06.29.log.html | 07:30 |
| anil_rao | Bye | 07:30 |
| soichi | bye | 07:30 |
| kaz_ | bye | 07:30 |
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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 08:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
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| alexey_weyl | Hello | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi everyone :-) | 08:00 |
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| elisha_r | hey | 08:01 |
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| mkoushnir | Hi | 08:02 |
| eyalb | hi all | 08:02 |
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| idan_hefetz | hi | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | Note a change in our agenda – we’ll have a separate topic for Austin preparations. | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | Agenda: | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | * Current status | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | * Austin preparations | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | * Review action items | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | * Next steps | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | * Open Discussion | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Current status | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:06 | |
| ifat_afek | Aodh updates: I didn’t progress with aodh this week. Still have some work to do... | 08:06 |
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| idan_hefetz | same, here regarding the aodh notifier i didnt have much progress this week | 08:07 |
| idan_hefetz | i will update design changes soon | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | idan_hefetz: cool | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | who else wants to update? | 08:08 |
| elisha_r | I'll give a quick update | 08:08 |
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| elisha_r | This week we finally pushed the evaluator documentation to gerrit | 08:08 |
| elisha_r | awaiting review | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | ifat_afek: I'll have a look at it after the meeting | 08:09 |
| elisha_r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299829/ | 08:09 |
| elisha_r | tnx | 08:09 |
| mkoushnir | tempest updates: nova alarms test almost finished, rest alarms test in progress, I need help: generate aodh alrms and nagios alarms, Alesha will help me with topology tests | 08:10 |
| elisha_r | thats it from my end. | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | elisha_r: thanks | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | mkoushnir: alexey_weyl said he would help. do you need any additional help? | 08:10 |
| mkoushnir | Elisha, I need generate several nagios alarms. Can you help me? | 08:11 |
| mkoushnir | How can help me with aodh alarms? | 08:11 |
| elisha_r | we might be able to use the mock_synchronizer to generate nagios alarms for now, but I will have to see how this works within the tempest framework to know for sure | 08:11 |
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| danoffek | hi guys | 08:12 |
| eddie_lechtus | hi | 08:12 |
| mkoushnir | Ok, Thanks Elisha | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | mkoushnir: I'll be able to help with aodh, but I didn't finish coding yet. will update you once you can start checking it | 08:12 |
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| alexey_weyl | I am helping Noam to see how we can run tempsest in the zuul gate | 08:14 |
| mkoushnir | Ok | 08:14 |
| alexey_weyl | we are looking on examples from other projects, and need to push that change to project-info | 08:14 |
| alexey_weyl | Because it depends on other people, we need to do that as fast as possible to get feedbacks from them about that | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: I agree. and we need the tempest tests in order to become an official openstack project | 08:15 |
| lhartal | I have an update | 08:17 |
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| lhartal | From next week, we are going to have some teminology changes | 08:17 |
| lhartal | we are no longer going to use the name 'plugin' and 'synchronizers' from now we will use 'data source' and 'driver' respectively | 08:18 |
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| lhartal | data source means the source vitrage connect to (nove, cinder, etc.) | 08:19 |
| lhartal | and the driver is actually responsible for the connction itself | 08:20 |
| lhartal | hopefully, I will push the changes by the end of the week (good luck for us :) ) | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | good luck indeed ;-) | 08:21 |
| eyalb | still working on neutron plug-in wrote the transformers need to work on the receiving change events from bus | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | eyalb: cool, thanks | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | anyone else wants to update? | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | eddie_lechtus, do you have updates? | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | ok, let's move on | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Austin preparations | 08:26 |
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| ifat_afek | There will be two Vitrage sessions in Austin: | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8177 | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8963 | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | We started discussing our goals and preparations for the summit. alexey_weyl, do you want to update? | 08:27 |
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| alexey_weyl | Yes, I would love to | 08:28 |
| alexey_weyl | We have talked about the arrangmenets for the Vitrage Booth in the summit | 08:29 |
| alexey_weyl | we are going to have 2 people in every moment there | 08:29 |
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| alexey_weyl | we have splitted the hours between the people | 08:29 |
| alexey_weyl | we are doing the rehersals for all the people the will be in the booth | 08:30 |
| alexey_weyl | Ifat, you can continue from here | 08:30 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: cool | 08:30 |
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| ifat_afek | I think that in addition you should meet Julien, telemetry PTL, and Roland, Monasca PTL, and discuss the integration of Vitrage with these projects | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | I already sent emails to the both of them | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | specifically with aodh, we have several open issues, and discussing them face to face might help | 08:32 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Review action items | 08:32 |
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| ifat_afek | • make sure you have a blueprint for your current task | 08:32 |
| ifat_afek | I believe this is done, some new blueprints were opened by the relevant people | 08:33 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Next Steps | 08:33 |
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| ifat_afek | We should start thinking about Newton version | 08:33 |
| ifat_afek | Currently we have very few blueprints in our list, most of them are about to be finished. If you have an idea to be implemented for Newton, feel free to add a blueprint | 08:33 |
| ifat_afek | I asked Maty to create ‘newton’ version in Virtrage launchpad | 08:33 |
| ifat_afek | #action add blueprints for Newton | 08:34 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:34 |
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| ifat_afek | anything you would like to discuss? | 08:34 |
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| ifat_afek | so I guess we are done | 08:36 |
| ifat_afek | goodbye everybody | 08:36 |
| alexey_weyl | bye bye | 08:36 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:36 |
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| lhartal | bye :) | 08:36 |
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| elisha_r | bye | 08:36 |
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| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 08:37:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-04-06-08.00.html | 08:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-04-06-08.00.txt | 08:37 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 12:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 12:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 12:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 12:01 |
| amotoki | hi (but on a train) | 12:01 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 12:01 |
| robcresswell | Hi all. Couple of notices first. | 12:02 |
| itxaka | o/ | 12:02 |
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| robcresswell | I've a patch up to move the 1200 meeting to 800UTC | 12:02 |
| robcresswell | And I'll email once that merges | 12:02 |
| robcresswell | Should be by next week, so hopefully thats a little better for those further east :) | 12:03 |
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| robcresswell | Next up is session topics; I've reorganised the etherpad to try and find common topics | 12:03 |
| -amotoki- is being surprised | 12:04 | |
| robcresswell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-newton-summit | 12:04 |
| robcresswell | amotoki: NA attendance in 1200 UTC meeting is low already, and its very difficult for those around UTC > +7 to attend any meetings currently. | 12:04 |
| robcresswell | Hoping to make it more inclusive. | 12:04 |
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| robcresswell | So re: session topics, I'm planning on using the fishbowl for ops and plugin feedback, and the meetup for open discussion/ priorities spillover. | 12:05 |
| robcresswell | We then have 7 working group sessions, but so far only about 5/6 clear topics it seems. | 12:05 |
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| itxaka | robcresswell, is the plan to broadcast/rocord the sessions still up? | 12:06 |
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| robcresswell | Potentially. It seems like adequate h/w may be an issue from previous discussions. | 12:07 |
| robcresswell | Anyway, if you have any other suggestions for topics, please add them as I'll be filling out the sessions topics officially this week. | 12:08 |
| robcresswell | Thats it for notices, and the agenda is empty | 12:09 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 12:09 |
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| itxaka | django 1.9 patch, what is missing and how can we move forward with it? | 12:10 |
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| robcresswell | AFAIK its done, needs testing and reviews. | 12:10 |
| robcresswell | There was a -1 which I believe I've fixed | 12:11 |
| tsufiev | I'll review it soon, in 1-2 days | 12:11 |
| robcresswell | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280222/ | 12:11 |
| itxaka | nice! | 12:11 |
| robcresswell | For cores in the meeting, it could use attention. We need to move on to 1.10 swiftly. | 12:11 |
| robcresswell | There is also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280901/ to solve the logspam. | 12:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rgr that robcresswell | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | logspam from 1.9 that is (you'll know what I mean when you test it ;) ) | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | thanks r1chardj0n3s | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | Bug day cleaned a smooth 100 off the backlog. We're now <250 to triage. | 12:12 |
| tsufiev | what shall we do about *npm-run* issue? | 12:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: which issue? | 12:13 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Gate is kaput | 12:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the one where it's constantly failing in the gate? | 12:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah | 12:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I was about to bring that up :/ | 12:13 |
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| robcresswell | So there is/was an issue against NPM, that has been closed. | 12:13 |
| robcresswell | https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/12196 | 12:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think we really need to start talking npm mirroring with infra | 12:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | "we" | 12:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ;-) | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | Actually, looking at logs I've just noticed infra is on it, I guess they saw my message this morning (or someone elses) | 12:15 |
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| robcresswell | Yeah, they changed the Horizon topic to it :) | 12:16 |
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| robcresswell | From digging through the NPM bug report, its unclear to me exactly how we fix it. Most of the answers seem to be "just upgrade lolz" | 12:17 |
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| robcresswell | Which isn't terribly helpful. | 12:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hurm | 12:17 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | that seems to be a common response to node-related issues; it moves quickly :/ | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Yup | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Sometimes bad, sometimes good. | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | I don't really view disabling the tests as a viable option, since it just means we cant merge JS code with our tests down. | 12:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | indeed, that's a bad solution | 12:19 |
| robcresswell | And its just ignoring the issue and hoping it goes away. | 12:19 |
| tsufiev | I'm very worried that waiting the problem to solve itself (or for #infra to solve it for us) give us no time to merge Swift UI/Ceph patch prior to M release | 12:20 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: I spoke with david-lyle yesterday, and he doesnt believe its critical enough for an RC3. | 12:20 |
| robcresswell | Mitaka is his call, so you'll need to take it up with him later in the day | 12:20 |
| robcresswell | As I understand it, Ceph was broken before this anyway, so its not a regression, we just havent fixed it with the new UI. | 12:21 |
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| tsufiev | I can understand that. Well, merging it into stable/mitaka in 1-2 weeks is also okay to me | 12:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's a shame - I didn't even realise that the swift ui could be a ui over ceph | 12:22 |
| amotoki | actually, Mitaka final RC call was last week.... and this week is reserved for release. | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (I don't even know what ceph is) | 12:22 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, I thought about testing it over Ceph during midcycle, but was distracted with something else | 12:22 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Yeah, I only just found this out too. | 12:22 |
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| robcresswell | I'll be looking into it over the course of the day anyway tsufiev, we need the gate moving again. | 12:23 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Is the yellow-ey colour on etherpad you? Could you tag your name? | 12:24 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | sorry, will do | 12:24 |
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| robcresswell | Just leave it inline so we can refer to it at the sessions. its good to know who said what. | 12:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (I have colour turned off usually) | 12:25 |
| amotoki | btw, is anyone running horizon with python3? | 12:25 |
| robcresswell | amotoki: Not that I'm aware of. I wouldnt expect it to work | 12:25 |
| robcresswell | UTs pass, but thats far from a function guarantee | 12:25 |
| amotoki | when reviewing tsufiev's patch, I am not sure we need to take care of python3 | 12:26 |
| amotoki | https://review.openstack.org/279573 | 12:26 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Ah, I just meant next to the text itself; names arent carried between sessions or when people go offline it seems. | 12:26 |
| r1chardj0n3s | righto | 12:26 |
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| robcresswell | Thanks r1chardj0n3s | 12:26 |
| amotoki | i just would like to share our review policy at the moment. | 12:27 |
| amotoki | "try to keep python3 work as possible but just do our best." right? | 12:27 |
| tsufiev | amotoki, my approach here would be to solve problems as they arise... If Horizon doesn't yet guaranteed to work with py3, shy should we worry? | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | amotoki: I'd have to dig through the code. | 12:28 |
| tsufiev | but it's my patch anyways :) | 12:28 |
| amotoki | tsufiev: you are working in one of the most tricky areas around py3. | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | The easiest thing would be to make sure that code is tested and passes in py3 | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | If its not tested, thats a valid -1 anyway, and if the test works, I'd expect it to fall over in python 3. | 12:29 |
| amotoki | it is tough area. actually what we haven't understood is what string should be returned. | 12:29 |
| amotoki | Content-Disposition encoding is different from other mime encoding or url encoding. | 12:30 |
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| amotoki | robcresswell: agree with you. it is better to be covered by test | 12:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it should definitely be tested, yes | 12:31 |
| tsufiev | I would prefer looking at live Horizon on py3 to be 100% sure | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | Aaaand -1. Sorry tsufiev :p | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Need both. | 12:32 |
| robcresswell | Tests must pass, but they are not a guarantee of function | 12:32 |
| * r1chardj0n3s is curious to run Horizon in py3k now :-) | 12:32 | |
| robcresswell | I think doug-fish is lurking in the meeting... | 12:33 |
| doug-fish | possibly | 12:33 |
| doug-fish | *waves* | 12:33 |
| robcresswell | haha | 12:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ohai | 12:33 |
| doug-fish | I've just returned back to work after a few days off. It's surprising how many things happen in 3 days. | 12:34 |
| robcresswell | all the emails | 12:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I concur - I took all of last week off | 12:35 |
| amotoki | hope you all enjoyed your off :0 | 12:35 |
| amotoki | ** :) | 12:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yes, actually ;-) | 12:36 |
| doug-fish | yep. same here. | 12:36 |
| robcresswell | doug-fish, amotoki: now that zanata works for the recent stable, can we backport string fixes? | 12:37 |
| robcresswell | Things like missing translations etc. | 12:37 |
| amotoki | robcresswell: yes, i think so. | 12:38 |
| robcresswell | Its unclear to me if stable-policy overrules us or not | 12:38 |
| doug-fish | you can certainly change the previous stable release | 12:38 |
| amotoki | robcresswell: what we need to do is to merge pending import patch before releasing stable update. | 12:38 |
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| amotoki | robcresswell: before migrating zanata, I proposed import patches manually before stable releases. | 12:39 |
| doug-fish | we did this during stable/liberty in horizon - added almost the entire Italian translation | 12:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | there are some issues with some angular-gettext translations that are being looked into also. | 12:39 |
| robcresswell | doug-fish: What I meant was introducing or fixing new strings | 12:39 |
| doug-fish | oh - introducing new strings | 12:39 |
| robcresswell | For example, some strings are wrapped with <translate> but not transalting properly | 12:40 |
| doug-fish | that's less clear | 12:40 |
| amotoki | yes, some <translate> strings are not extracted | 12:40 |
| robcresswell | I don't know if stable-policy prevents us from fixing those issues or not | 12:40 |
| doug-fish | I think the key there has to be that we have no regressions - that is we shouldn't change an existing, successfully translated string | 12:40 |
| robcresswell | Sure | 12:40 |
| amotoki | and some strings are extracted and translated but not displayed. | 12:40 |
| amotoki | doug-fish: agree. | 12:41 |
| robcresswell | Yes, amotoki | 12:41 |
| robcresswell | There are about 20 outstanding i18n bugs, many of which are very trivial. | 12:41 |
| doug-fish | I'd expect fixing untranslatable english only strings would always be acceptable | 12:41 |
| amotoki | for new strings, i think we can fix them because there are no changes. | 12:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep, there might be some issues with the message extraction thing we added to babel | 12:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's still being investigated though | 12:41 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: It seems to be stumbling over nested HTML | 12:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah | 12:41 |
| robcresswell | Like <span translate>Some text <b> some more text </b></span | 12:42 |
| robcresswell | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bugs?field.tag=i18n if anyone is interested | 12:42 |
| robcresswell | I think we can call the meeting there, unless anyone has anything else? | 12:44 |
| robcresswell | Again, please add discussion points to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-newton-summit | 12:44 |
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| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 12:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 12:45:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-04-06-12.00.html | 12:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-04-06-12.00.txt | 12:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-04-06-12.00.log.html | 12:45 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all | 12:45 |
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| amotoki | thanks | 12:46 |
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| atuvenie | \o | 13:01 |
| alexpilotti | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 13:01:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:01 |
| alexpilotti | bonjour! | 13:02 |
| claudiub|2 | \o/ | 13:02 |
| abalutoiu | Hello | 13:02 |
| atuvenie | Hi | 13:02 |
| sagar_nikam | hi | 13:02 |
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| alexpilotti | Focus this week is mostly on releasing Mitaka | 13:02 |
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| alexpilotti | so we have a bunch of Py3 bugs that came up | 13:03 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Py3 bugs | 13:03 |
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| lpetrut | Hi | 13:03 |
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| alexpilotti | claudiub|2: would you like to list the bugs? | 13:03 |
| alexpilotti | we still need to file them, but if somebody is aiming at running a Py3 compute node, I think it's useful to know they exist | 13:04 |
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| claudiub|2 | sure. i've fixed a couple of bugs on nova master. primarely about attached volumes, configdrive, etc. you can see them at #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-python3-newton | 13:04 |
| alexpilotti | anything else to add here? | 13:05 |
| claudiub|2 | python 3 is generally slower | 13:06 |
| claudiub|2 | so, it should be used only when absolutely necessary. :) | 13:06 |
| alexpilotti | we need to do some profiling to see why this happens | 13:06 |
| claudiub|2 | even when running py3 unit tests in nova gate, they are about 66% slower than py27 tests. | 13:06 |
| claudiub|2 | yep. | 13:07 |
| alexpilotti | if it's 66.6% slower we can possible do an exorcism on Py3 | 13:07 |
| claudiub|2 | well, i can definetely say that there's something unholy about it. :) | 13:07 |
| alexpilotti | there's a reason why it's the nova-compute daemon | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | anyway | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | onwards | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | #topic OVS 2.5 | 13:09 |
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| alexpilotti | We have a OVS 2.5 MSI under test | 13:09 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: do you know if sonu or somebody in your team is testing OVS? | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | i know sonu has it in plans. dont know the exact time | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | when it will be done | 13:10 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: ok, I dont see him online, can you please let him know about 2.5? | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | sure | 13:11 |
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| sagar_nikam | sonu: has joined | 13:11 |
| alexpilotti | Sonu: hey sonu | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | sonu: alexpilotti: wants to know the plans of testing OVS2.5 | 13:12 |
| Sonu | What is new with OVS 2.5 for Windows? | 13:12 |
| Sonu | I thought we are focused to test OVS 2.6 | 13:12 |
| Sonu | 'cz that comes Microsoft certified. Am I wrong? | 13:13 |
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| alexpilotti | 2.5 will be certified as well | 13:13 |
| alexpilotti | we're currently testing it, before sending it to certification | 13:13 |
| Sonu | great. then we will use OVS 2.5 + WMI security driver | 13:13 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 13:13 |
| Sonu | and it should all work for VXLAN | 13:14 |
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| alexpilotti | so, if you guys could give it a test-ride before we send it to MSFT signature, it'd be great | 13:14 |
| alexpilotti | yes, VXLAN support is there | 13:14 |
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| Sonu | alexpilotti: Do you test security groups with OVS? | 13:15 |
| alexpilotti | we will | 13:16 |
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| alexpilotti | unfortunately for now this means networking-hyperv security groups | 13:16 |
| alexpilotti | on the good side, conntrack is coming in 2.6 | 13:16 |
| Sonu | I know. But that is ok, since our aim is VXLAN. | 13:17 |
| alexpilotti | VXLAN is also in 2.5 | 13:17 |
| alexpilotti | actually even in 2.4 | 13:17 |
| Sonu | Yes we got that working with 2.4 | 13:17 |
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| Sonu | with promt help from Alin | 13:17 |
| alexpilotti | di dyou manage to do some more benchmarking on the latest networking-hyperv security groups? | 13:17 |
| Sonu | in progress. | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | we're very pleased with the current results (in the limits of the WMI ACL API) | 13:18 |
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| Sonu | We are running our scale tests with native threads and pyMI and Enahanced RPC support | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | but I'm curious to hear your results | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | Sonu: perfect, that's also what we are using | 13:18 |
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| alexpilotti | based on latest Rally tests, we're even faster than KVM on Hadoop workloads | 13:19 |
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| alexpilotti | not by a big margin, just a tad faster :) | 13:20 |
| alexpilotti | but still a huge step forward from the pre-pymi days | 13:20 |
| alexpilotti | where we used to be 4x slower :) | 13:20 |
| alexpilotti | anywthing else to add on this? | 13:20 |
| Sonu | thanks for efforts. | 13:21 |
| alexpilotti | Sonu: thanks, I take is a "nothing to add" :) | 13:21 |
| alexpilotti | #topic ton of new stuff coming in new-ton | 13:22 |
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| alexpilotti | sorry, I couldnt resist | 13:22 |
| alexpilotti | actually there are two main areas on which we will work: | 13:22 |
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| alexpilotti | Magnum support for Windows containers | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | and | 13:23 |
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| alexpilotti | New Neutron plugin for the Windows Server 2016 networking stack | 13:23 |
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| alexpilotti | the new stack is based on it's own controller, using REST API | 13:24 |
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| Sonu | OVSDB based? | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | it has some OVSDB compatibility | 13:24 |
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| alexpilotti | but it's not as complete and hence usable as the full OVS porting | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | so on the long term our general vision is to have: | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: magnum support is intresting, we would be intrested | 13:25 |
| alexpilotti | OVS for people wanting to have multiple hypervisor types / interop solutions | 13:26 |
| alexpilotti | especially with OVN, OpendayLight, NSX, etc | 13:26 |
| alexpilotti | and the new Neutron Hyper-V plugin for Hyper-V only scenarios | 13:26 |
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| alexpilotti | given the current usage distribution, the former (OVS) will most probably have more traction | 13:27 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: is there any HP core reviewer in Magnum? | 13:27 |
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| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: not sure, can check | 13:28 |
| Sonu | alexpilloti: while it seems like more flexibility, but won't this be a challenge to maintain two approaches? one native Hyper-V versus OVS based | 13:28 |
| alexpilotti | there's a non trivial amount of work required around the fact that Heat temmplates used by Magnum are very Linux specific | 13:28 |
| alexpilotti | Sonu: it's what we are doing already today with networking-hyperv and OVS | 13:28 |
| alexpilotti | this new plugin will become networking-hyperv v2 | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: any BPs already ready for magnum ? | 13:30 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: not yet, we are planning to discuss this at the summit with the Magnum team and get the BPs up shortly afterwards | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:31 |
| alexpilotti | this reminds me of the fact that we have a design session at the summit | 13:31 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub|2: can you post details? | 13:32 |
| claudiub|2 | yep. sure. it's on wednesday, from 9:00AM to 9:40AM | 13:32 |
| claudiub|2 | let me get the exact details. | 13:32 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: any plans in magnum hyperv supporting freezer and monasca ? | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Freezer | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Monasca | 13:33 |
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| sagar_nikam | i mean any plans in newton release | 13:33 |
| alexpilotti | that's also on the TODO list | 13:33 |
| alexpilotti | are you guys already using them in production scenarios? | 13:34 |
| claudiub|2 | #info Winstackers: Work session: 2016-04-27, 09:00-09:40, Boardroom 401 | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | monasca PTL is from HPE, i can connect you to him | 13:34 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: that'd be great! | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | Freezer and Monasca for KVM is supported in production | 13:34 |
| alexpilotti | if you have some core reviewer in Freezer to introduce us to, that'd be great | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: shall i request for a meeting between Monasca PTL and your team in summit ? | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | I mean HP core reviewers | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: yes please! | 13:35 |
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| alexpilotti | for Freezer, Hyper-V has a new API, called RCT | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | Freezer PTL is also from HPE, if i remember right | 13:36 |
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| sagar_nikam | i can find it and request for a meeting with your team and Freezer PTL | 13:36 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 13:37 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: do you need any meetings with cinder team from HPE ? | 13:37 |
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| alexpilotti | lpetrut: anything on the agenda for Cinder worth requesting a meeting? | 13:38 |
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| alexpilotti | it'd be great meeting in person, of course | 13:38 |
| lpetrut | well, os-brick may be one of the topics | 13:38 |
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| sagar_nikam | let me check and try to schedule a meeting between lpetrut: and hpe cinder team | 13:39 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 13:39 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam Sonu: are you guys coming to Austin? | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: do you need to meet anybody else from HPE | 13:39 |
| lpetrut | I guess I can talk about os-brick Windows support with Walter Boring at the summit, as far as I know, he's in charge of the project | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | not me. i am not coming to austin. hopefully some other time | 13:40 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: no thanks, I think those are the main areas | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: sure i will request for a meeting | 13:40 |
| Sonu | alexpilloti: I have one of my team member attend the design session for hyper-v | 13:41 |
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| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: sure, will try to arrange for those 2 meetings, monasca and freezer | 13:41 |
| alexpilotti | ok, for today's topics, we have a new major feature ready for release: | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Shielded VMs | 13:42 |
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| alexpilotti | we will upload the bits soon | 13:42 |
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| alexpilotti | but if you guys plan to test the feature, we can already provide some info | 13:43 |
| Sonu | thats news to us. Any blue print? | 13:43 |
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| alexpilotti | there's a vTPM BP, which is the basis for shielded VMs | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: we will get back on shielded VMs | 13:44 |
| alexpilotti | just wanted to make sure it's on your radar | 13:45 |
| claudiub|2 | this was the bp that was approved in Liberty: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195068/ | 13:45 |
| Sonu | thanks. I will read through it to understand the case. | 13:46 |
| alexpilotti | shielded VM specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274709/4/specs/newton/approved/hyper-v-shielded-vms.rst | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: i have a update on SSL/TLS, we can discuss later when we are done with this topic | 13:46 |
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| alexpilotti | sure, I'm done with this | 13:48 |
| alexpilotti | also time is -12' | 13:48 |
| alexpilotti | #topic SSL/TLS | 13:48 |
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| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: thanks to the notes from alin: i was able to get the glance image download working as part of nova boot | 13:48 |
| alexpilotti | sweet | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | next i am hitting a issue in invoking neutron agent | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | wil debug further | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | in the meanwhile | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | i have a question | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | we added the crt file in nova .conf | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | point to some location on hyperv host | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | that was a self signed certificate | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | how do we add multiple certificates | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | suppose a customer does not want to use the self signed certs | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | and adds his own certificate | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | possible multiple certificates | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | how do we handle it | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | multiple because you have multiple endpoints for the same service? | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | no | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | same endpoint for a service | 13:51 |
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| sagar_nikam | but assuming the customer adds his own signed certificate | 13:52 |
| alexpilotti | each service has it's own config, I'd expect | 13:52 |
| alexpilotti | plus, I need to check, but if the cert is signed by a CA, on the client side the CA cert should be enough | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | in case of KVM, multiple certs can be added in cert manager | 13:52 |
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| alexpilotti | provided that CN matches the hostname | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | one SSL/TLS endpoint = 1 cert | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:53 |
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| sagar_nikam | will investigate further and get back | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 13:54 |
| lpetrut | clear | 13:54 |
| lpetrut | wrong window, sorry | 13:54 |
| alexpilotti | np :) | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | on freerdp | 13:54 |
| alexpilotti | ok | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | how does it work | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | if TLS is enabled ? | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | on the network which tenants access horizon | 13:54 |
| alexpilotti | same: wsgate.ini has settings for the certifcate | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:55 |
| alexpilotti | our MSI generates a self signed one, for ease of use | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:55 |
| alexpilotti | which can be replaced by a CA signed one for most production usages | 13:55 |
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| alexpilotti | if you just override it, it just works | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | thats good | 13:55 |
| alexpilotti | -4' | 13:56 |
| alexpilotti | #topic open discussion | 13:56 |
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| sagar_nikam | if the same works for nova, i mean signed certificate from a customer, by just adding in nova.conf, we are good | 13:56 |
| alexpilotti | yes | 13:56 |
| alexpilotti | anything else that you guys would like to add before wrapping up? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | nothing from my end | 13:57 |
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| alexpilotti | alright, thanks y'all see you next week! | 13:57 |
| alexpilotti | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 13:58:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-04-06-13.01.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-04-06-13.01.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-04-06-13.01.log.html | 13:58 |
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| ajo | hi :) | 14:00 |
| davidsha | hey! | 14:00 |
| reedip__ | o/ | 14:00 |
| ajo | heyy | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 14:01 |
| ajo | let's start | 14:01 |
| ajo | #meeting neutron_qos | 14:01 |
| ajo | oops | 14:01 |
| ajo | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 14:02:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:02 |
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| ajo | let's start by open bugs. | 14:02 |
| ajo | #topic bugs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:02 | |
| ajo | njohnston was pinging me about one of them | 14:02 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 14:02 |
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| moshele | hi | 14:03 |
| ajo | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564820 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564820 in neutron "DSCP rules won't get updated on ports" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nate Johnston (nate-johnston) | 14:03 |
| ajo | I need to review the code but anybody feel free to do it, it's probably ready | 14:03 |
| njohnston | it has one +2 already, so I am hopeful | 14:03 |
| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1563720 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1563720 in neutron "Bandwidth limiting for linuxbridge agent works for ingress traffic instead of egress" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:04 |
| ajo | slaweq is working on this other one, I think it's probably ready | 14:04 |
| ajo | even though I have a -1 set on it | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | ajo: is it backportable? | 14:04 |
| ajo | ihrachys, yes, made as backportable | 14:04 |
| ajo | no db changes, no new config, and it clears any old wrong policy | 14:05 |
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| ajo | on the ports via tc.. | 14:05 |
| ajo | I found something interesting, that I saw once in old Centos7 kernels | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | ajo: + cleanup | 14:05 |
| ajo | policing does not work well on ubuntu trusty | 14:05 |
| ajo | I'm investigating if it's a kernel issue, a sysctl issue, a hypervisor level issue, or ... a TCP client issue | 14:06 |
| ajo | so we can document it properly, | 14:06 |
| ajo | you set for example an egress limit of 1Mbps, 100kbs burst, | 14:06 |
| ajo | and, egress speed never reaches 1Mbps, | 14:06 |
| ajo | it stays low at 100kbps | 14:07 |
| ajo | because TCP does not adapt properly | 14:07 |
| ajo | my faded memories tell me it's a tcp client issue, because when I saw that long ago with the old centos kernel, I found that connecting via ext net from an OSX, windows, etc... it worked as expected | 14:07 |
| ajo | even on the same hypervisor | 14:08 |
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| ajo | but, I'm verifying all the combinations to make sure the feature is robust | 14:08 |
| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1507761 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1507761 in neutron "qos wrong units in max-burst-kbps option (per-second is wrong)" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:09 |
| ajo | slaweq doesn't seem to be around | 14:09 |
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| ajo | that may need more reviews: | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | ajo: ok, I just assume that ^ is backwards compat for API | 14:10 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291633/ | 14:10 |
| ajo | yes, I have to review again to make sure it is | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | nice on avoiding alembic too | 14:10 |
| ajo | well, api tests may prove it | 14:10 |
| ajo | yes | 14:10 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | I see we modify api tests | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | we should leave them as is, and add more scenarios using new name | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | that would prove we don't break anyone | 14:11 |
| ajo | ihrachys: +1, yes, I was expecting what you said | 14:11 |
| ajo | hdaniel, ping | 14:11 |
| ajo | sorry, I can't jump to RFE's yet :) I was about to do it :) | 14:12 |
| ajo | we also have | 14:13 |
| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1515533 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1515533 in neutron "QoS policy is not enforced when using a previously used port" [Low,Incomplete] | 14:13 |
| ajo | with this patch: | 14:13 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255669/ | 14:13 |
| ajo | 14:13 | |
| ajo | Bhalachandra Banavalikar | 14:13 |
| ajo | anybody knows what his nick is? | 14:14 |
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| ajo | I'm not convinced about the fix, I just belive it's masking another error | 14:14 |
| ajo | or there's a corner case I'm not seeing | 14:14 |
| ajo | I left him another message on the review | 14:15 |
| ajo | any other bug to be noted? | 14:16 |
| njohnston | There are also a couple of DSCP follow-up changes that don't have corresponding bugs, but they are both waiting to respond to negative feedback. | 14:16 |
| njohnston | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294463/ | 14:16 |
| njohnston | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300501/ | 14:17 |
| * ajo reads | 14:17 | |
| ajo | ahh, I see that Margaret is waiting for a response from me on first one | 14:17 |
| ajo | and davidsha is working on second one | 14:18 |
| ajo | #action ajo help margaret with reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294463/ | 14:18 |
| ajo | I know ihrachys is working with davidsha on the 2nd one but I'll have a read too | 14:18 |
| ajo | I also see this one abandoned: | 14:19 |
| ajo | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486607 | 14:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486607 in neutron "tenants seem like they were able to detach admin enforced QoS policies from ports or networks" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:19 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217092/ | 14:19 |
| ajo | if somebody has time to rebase and take ownership of ^ | 14:19 |
| ajo | it's been abandoned for 4 weeks now | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | why is it low? | 14:19 |
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| njohnston | yeah, I'll take a look at it | 14:19 |
| ajo | ihrachys, commit message is wrong | 14:20 |
| ajo | ihrachys, tenants are not able to do it | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | ah ok | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | it's API response that is wrong? | 14:20 |
| ajo | ihrachys, they just seem to be able to do it, server says OK, but does nothing | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | ok | 14:20 |
| ajo | exactly | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | then it's Normal I think, not Low | 14:20 |
| njohnston | I don't have the ability to un-abandon it, I think I need a core for that | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | since API misbehaves | 14:20 |
| ajo | njohnston: restored | 14:20 |
| ajo | njohnston++ | 14:20 |
| ajo | thanks a lot | 14:20 |
| njohnston | sure thing! | 14:21 |
| ajo | ihrachys, can you raise the bug prio? | 14:21 |
| ajo | sorry, I did it myself | 14:21 |
| ajo | stupid thing to ask for, it was just a click ':D | 14:21 |
| ajo | ok, RFE's | 14:23 |
| ajo | afaik, haim is teaming up with davidsha to look at | 14:23 |
| ajo | #topic RFEs | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:23 | |
| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1527671 | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527671 in neutron "[RFE] traffic classification in Neutron QoS" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | ajo: I assume the first step is getting neutron-classifier repo in shape? | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | ajo: or do we shortcut? | 14:24 |
| ajo | the traffic classification lib is probably immature yet, so we may need to push it to make sure we can do it | 14:24 |
| ajo | I would not shortcut | 14:24 |
| ajo | let's do things right | 14:24 |
| davidsha | kk | 14:24 |
| davidsha | +1 | 14:24 |
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| ajo | if we have to help with that effort, let's do it first | 14:24 |
| ajo | and then we use it for qos | 14:24 |
| ajo | ihrachys, does that sound reasonable?, or too ambitious for a goal? :) | 14:25 |
| ajo | (or even too optimistic) | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | I won't have time for that specifically, but I can help somewhat if it's using objects ;) | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | I am fine for the right thing. it may take time | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | though | 14:25 |
| ajo | ihrachys, we will have to use objects, since we will need to push the rules with traffic classification stuff to agents | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | I am open to review object stuff | 14:25 |
| ajo | good :) | 14:26 |
| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560961 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560961 in neutron "[RFE] Allow instance-ingress bandwidth limiting" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:26 |
| ajo | slaweq took that one :) | 14:26 |
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| ajo | and hdaniel may team with him too, OVS and LB low level code for that is ready | 14:26 |
| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560963 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:27 |
| ajo | I filled that one, | 14:27 |
| ajo | and it's been scoped to only egress traffic to start, | 14:27 |
| ajo | since it's the one that can happen with no integration with external stuff to the hypervisor (gateways, other nodes, etc) | 14:28 |
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| hdaniel | ajo: hi, /me got confused by that daytime savings thing | 14:28 |
| ajo | hdaniel, np :) | 14:28 |
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| ajo | for min_bandwidth in OVS | 14:28 |
| ajo | I had an action pending from last meeting | 14:28 |
| ajo | and it was checking that set_queue openflow action was useful to us | 14:29 |
| ajo | in contrast to action=enqueue:<queue-id>:port | 14:29 |
| ajo | which had to be only in the output action (final rule) | 14:29 |
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| ajo | and it was hard to integrate for example with "NORMAL" rules | 14:29 |
| ajo | where the switch decides the output port based on his arp tables | 14:29 |
| ajo | I checked it, | 14:30 |
| ajo | and it works | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: thanks for caring about stable | 14:30 |
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| ihrachys | oops | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | wrong channel | 14:30 |
| ajo | so, it should be rather easy to implement now in OVS / openflow :) | 14:30 |
| ajo | I thank haleyb too :D (lol) :) | 14:30 |
| * njohnston applauds haleyb | 14:30 | |
| ajo | we may need somebody to look at how to implement min bw guarantees in linuxbridge if that's possible | 14:31 |
| ajo | also, | 14:31 |
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| * haleyb is just doing his job | 14:31 | |
| ajo | there's a 2nd step of such RFE (probably needs to be addressed later), which is, integrating with nova scheduling :) | 14:31 |
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| ajo | they're working on the generic pools , which we may eventually leverage when it's ready | 14:32 |
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| ajo | but there are still some incognitas | 14:32 |
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| ajo | I'm talking about: | 14:32 |
| ajo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086371.html | 14:32 |
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| ajo | #action ajo send an email to openstack-dev talking about this topic | 14:33 |
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| ajo | We need to provide feedback to resource-providers-scheduler ... to make sure we find a good method for the nova scheduler | 14:33 |
| ajo | to make interpretations out of our ports & policies | 14:33 |
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| ajo | to determine the min-bw requirements, necessary for strict min-bw scheduling | 14:33 |
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| ajo | ihrachys and I believe the interpretation of such things may not correspond to nova, and may be the thing could be pluggable | 14:34 |
| ajo | so we could provide something to pull the right objects from neutron, and make a good interpretation of the port | 14:34 |
| ajo | another approach, could be | 14:34 |
| ajo | ( ihrachys correct me if I got you wrong, of course, ^ ) | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | ajo: I will correct you on the email :P | 14:35 |
| ajo | lol :) | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | ajo: but it seems ok | 14:35 |
| ajo | another approach to this | 14:35 |
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| ajo | could be... neutron makes the interpretation on a "port read" or "port create with a policy"... and returns a field with the min-bw required | 14:35 |
| ajo | so nova does not need to call us back, or get a policy, or anything | 14:36 |
| ajo | but I'm not sure about how restful that is | 14:36 |
| ajo | we may need to discuss such thing with the community, or salvatore (api-wg contact point) | 14:36 |
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| njohnston | ok | 14:37 |
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| ajo | anybody wants to mention any of the other RFEs / any update on them? | 14:39 |
| reedip__ | Well... want to know the next step | 14:39 |
| reedip__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 | 14:40 |
| openstack | reedip__: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1505627 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505627). The error has been logged | 14:40 |
| reedip__ | Why do weird things happen with me ?? | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | :) | 14:40 |
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| njohnston | :) | 14:40 |
| ajo | jeje | 14:41 |
| ajo | hehe | 14:41 |
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| reedip__ | ajo : spec can be started once confirmation from drivers team is obtained | 14:41 |
| ajo | I'm not sure reedip__ we may need to answer amotoki's question | 14:41 |
| reedip__ | that would probably help amotoki's answers as well | 14:41 |
| ajo | I will talk to him about this RFE, and see where we go | 14:42 |
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| ajo | #action discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 with amotoki, and provide the high level details | 14:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 14:42 |
| reedip__ | ok, then I will go the other way round, answering amotoki's questions first and then progressing forward.... | 14:42 |
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| ajo | said that, I'm not sure the high level details were clear after our last conversation | 14:43 |
| reedip__ | see... It worked when you typed... Launchpad hates me | 14:43 |
| ajo | may be we could ask them for permission to work on a more detailed spec | 14:43 |
| ajo | so we can clarify top/down of it | 14:43 |
| reedip__ | ajo : maybe | 14:43 |
| ajo | bug comments become to messy .. ':D | 14:43 |
| reedip__ | but they are currently more concerned about high level view | 14:43 |
| ajo | reediip__ of course, that's the first thing that needs to be clear | 14:44 |
| ajo | reedip__ you could provide a use case, of how to setup the rules exactly | 14:44 |
| ajo | and how those would work | 14:44 |
| reedip__ | Ok, I will put up my response in the etherpad , along with some possible use cases | 14:44 |
| amotoki | some detail looks good but i could not capture what kind of features are exposed honestly | 14:44 |
| reedip__ | amotoki has put up these questions on etherpad as well, so I think we can start modelling it as a spec | 14:45 |
| ajo | reedip__ if you can put on the rfe summary something like the neutron cli rule creations, etc.. | 14:45 |
| ajo | and the expected behaviour of the set rules | 14:45 |
| ajo | that may help too | 14:45 |
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| reedip__ | Oka... | 14:45 |
| amotoki | (note that meeting bot seems in some trouble during the last week meeting.... no log...) | 14:46 |
| ajo | hmmm | 14:46 |
| ajo | yikes :/ | 14:46 |
| ajo | may be I used a wrong meeting id? | 14:46 |
| reedip__ | amotoki: means I need to copy this stuff after the eeting ends | 14:46 |
| ajo | I will check my logs | 14:46 |
| amotoki | (no log around ECN dsicussion) | 14:46 |
| njohnston | I see logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-04-06-14.02.log.txt | 14:46 |
| ajo | #addchair ihrachys | 14:47 |
| ajo | does it work like that? :) | 14:47 |
| ajo | I need to leave and I see there could be conversation here about ECN | 14:47 |
| reedip__ | njhonston is right.. logs are being generated | 14:47 |
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| ajo | #chair ihrachys | 14:48 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ajo ihrachys | 14:48 |
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| ajo | #chair amotoki | 14:48 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ajo amotoki ihrachys | 14:48 |
| ajo | #chair njohnston | 14:48 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ajo amotoki ihrachys njohnston | 14:48 |
| reedip__ | musical chairs... | 14:48 |
| * njohnston is honored | 14:48 | |
| ajo | guys, can you #endmeeting once this is over? :) | 14:48 |
| amotoki | ??? what's happening | 14:48 |
| ajo | I need to leave | 14:48 |
| njohnston | sure thing | 14:48 |
| ajo | thanks | 14:48 |
| amotoki | see http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-03-23-14.03.log.html | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | ajo: ? I am not sure what you mean. you leave us in the middle of the thing? | 14:49 |
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| amotoki | log jumps 14:08:24 to 14:24:02 in the meeting log Mar 23... | 14:49 |
| njohnston | amotoki: That is not the log for today (4/6), that is the log for 3/23. | 14:49 |
| ihrachys | ajo: just stop the meeting if we loose a chair. I am not in position to lead it. | 14:49 |
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| njohnston | I can lead it. | 14:50 |
| amotoki | yes. I tried to caputre the discussion mentioned in the rfe bug discussed now. | 14:50 |
| davidsha | amotoki: means that there is about 16 mins of log missing it appears | 14:50 |
| reedip__ | yup... | 14:50 |
| amotoki | sorry for disturb. go ahead | 14:50 |
| reedip__ | Thankfully I have logs to my disk :) | 14:50 |
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| reedip__ | anyways, so as discussed with ajo regarding the ECN bug, I will respond to amotoki's questions, present some possible use cases | 14:51 |
| reedip__ | and expected behavior | 14:51 |
| njohnston | Are there any other RFEs to discuss? | 14:51 |
| reedip__ | not from my side... | 14:51 |
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| njohnston | OK, then let's move on to open discussion | 14:52 |
| njohnston | #topic Open Discussion | 14:52 |
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| njohnston | Does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss? | 14:52 |
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| reedip__ | Do we have a session ( fishbowl or other) decided yet ? | 14:52 |
| reedip__ | in Austin summit? | 14:52 |
| reedip__ | just a query off the top of my head | 14:52 |
| davidsha | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 14:52 |
| davidsha | line 21, has 3 topics for discussion | 14:53 |
| reedip__ | davidsha ; yeah I saw that earlier today :) | 14:53 |
| njohnston | Yes, QoS has an entry in the list, but I haven't seen any announcement from armax on what ideas will be assigned to the available session slots. | 14:53 |
| njohnston | That being said, I think there is enough interest in QoS that I feel confident we will get one of the sessions. | 14:54 |
| reedip__ | okay ... just what I wanted to know | 14:54 |
| reedip__ | nothing else... thanks | 14:54 |
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| davidsha | Is there anyone working on something at the moment that uses Openflows actually? I have an entry for discussing flow management and I'm interested in more use cases. | 14:55 |
| njohnston | davidsha: Is tmorin working on something in the networking-bgpvpn space? | 14:55 |
| njohnston | I know he reached out to you. | 14:55 |
| davidsha | njohnston: ya, I was talking to him. he said he'd be interested in coming to it. just trying to deploy bgpvpn atm! | 14:56 |
| ihrachys | davidsha: sfc? | 14:56 |
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| njohnston | Well, we are almost out of time, does anyone have anything else they would like to raise? | 14:57 |
| davidsha | ihrachys: I was talking to someone from sfc but they may have stepped back from the community, I'll ask some more. there is tap-aas as well but sfc and t-aas haven't implemented the l2-agent api yet | 14:58 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | davidsha: that's probably something to consider when (not) keeping them in stadium | 14:58 |
| njohnston | +1 to that | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | davidsha: they should be expected to consume best practices from core | 14:59 |
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| reedip__ | davidsha : taas l2-agent api is my AI :) | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | AI == ? | 14:59 |
| reedip__ | would be great if you can give some tips | 14:59 |
| reedip__ | Action Item | 14:59 |
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| ihrachys | ack | 14:59 |
| reedip__ | I am helping TaaS... | 14:59 |
| njohnston | reedip: Excellent! | 14:59 |
| njohnston | All right, I have to call time. | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | time! | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| njohnston | Thanks all. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 15:00:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-04-06-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-04-06-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-04-06-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
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| njohnston | d'oh | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 15:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| tomasztrebski | o/ | 15:00 |
| Kamil_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:00 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| witek | hello | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Link to agenda is at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday April 6, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1. Replace agent thread pool https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301355/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2. monasca-transform | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 3. monasca-analytics | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 4. Summit scheduling | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Hi everyone | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | It has been a crazy week for mee | 15:01 |
| tgraichen | hi | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | There is a small agenda today, so it looks like we'll have time for other topics | 15:02 |
| tomasztrebski | even crazier for me.... | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | shinya, thank you for fixing the problem with the nodejs install in Grafana last night | 15:02 |
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| shinya_kwbt | Not at all | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | i've merged it and it is in flight | 15:03 |
| slogan | I ended up simply doing a sudo apt-get install nodejs and it all worked, nothing complicated. What was the fix? | 15:03 |
| shinya_kwbt | Thanks | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | i had done something similar myself yesterday, but hadn't posted it yet | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | The reivew hasnt' merged yet, but it is at, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302077/ | 15:04 |
| slogan | thx | 15:04 |
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| rhochmuth | On a related topic, I tried the Monasca plugin for the Logging API/Service yesterday | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | The review is at, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300396/ | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | I haven't really looked at the code | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | just tried using it along with MOnasca | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | It appears to work | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | At least Kibana comes up | 15:05 |
| witek | nice to hear! :) | 15:05 |
| tomasztrebski | I saw you posted a comment about default index, did you manage to resolve that ? | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | I left a comment | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | no, i haven't resolved that | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | if you know the magic, let me know | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | please | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'm not sure it is working completely, but at least it installs and runs | 15:06 |
| tomasztrebski | I'll respond to that, it just Kibana does not know what would like to display, so it needs an index name or a pattern to read from | 15:06 |
| witek | the index pattern should be tennantid-YYYY-MM-DD | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, thanks | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | i'll need to get tsv to start looking into it | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | it is really cool to see all this stuff, Monasca, Horixon, Grafana and ELK all running in the same DevStack VM | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | That is going to make the Bootcamp session on Monasca much more enjoyable | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | So, thanks everyone for helping to get that working | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | I'm assuming it will be used in other sessions too | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | Now, i need to get the Ceilosca stuff working | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Replace agent thread pool https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301355/ | 15:09 |
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| rbak | That's me | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | that u | 15:10 |
| rbak | This patch has been up for a few days and I just wanted to get some eyes on it. | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | i know some folks on the team here at hpe have started to look at it | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | but, i see that they haven't left comments | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | we are pretty busy with a release right now | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | but, i'll ping them | 15:11 |
| rbak | As long as someone's looking at it. | 15:11 |
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| rbak | The agent locking up has been a problem for us for a while | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | we were wondering if we wanted to pick it up for the release | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | how urgent is tis to resolve on your end | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | how soon are you looking to get merged | 15:12 |
| rbak | I'd like to get it as soon as possible. We're opening our service up to customers so they're going to see the holes in our data where agents locked up. | 15:12 |
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| rhochmuth | how long have you been testing this change | 15:12 |
| rbak | But I know it's a big change, so I don't want to rush it if someone isn't comfortable | 15:13 |
| slogan | I started looking at it a day or two ago, but got distracted - but looks good +1 | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | well, i think that was the concern for us | 15:13 |
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| rbak | I've had it running for a couple days at least with no problems. | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | cool, that is good info | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | have you seen any memory growth | 15:13 |
| rbak | And it does recover when checks get stuck. | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | resource leaks? | 15:14 |
| rbak | Nothing I've noticed so far. | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll let joe and other know | 15:14 |
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| rhochmuth | i've added joe to the review and will add some others | 15:14 |
| rbak | I haven't looked recently though, I'll go back and see how the resources are looking. | 15:14 |
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| rbak | I don't have anything more on that subject. I'll post an update on the patch. | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | #topic monasca-transform | 15:16 |
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| rhochmuth | So, I've posted a review at, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301313/, for monasca-transform | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | The monasca-transform project is a new component in Monasca that | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | will aggregate and transform metrics. For example, it will consume | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | metrics for Swift from the Monasca metrics topic and count the total | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | number of times a container or object is accessed and group them by | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | project. Then it will publish the aggregated metric to the Kafka | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | metrics topic where the rest of the existing Monasca components | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | will be used to store, alarm and notify. | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | This component has been in the architecture diagram for a long time, and we've talked about it in the past | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | But, it looks like we're going to get some resources fomr HPE to work on this | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | I would like to get this reviewed next week | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | If that is OK with everyone | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | Basically, go over uses cases, architecture, design, … | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | The goal is to complete this component by the Newton release or sooner | 15:19 |
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| tomasztrebski | is it this one -> https://github.com/hpcloud-mon/monasca-events-transform ? | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | No, that was targeted at events | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | This is for metrics | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | Totally new repo | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | will be created | 15:20 |
| slogan | the use cases would be interesting to read | 15:20 |
| slogan | where can we find more info? | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | It is being created and will publish and review next week | 15:20 |
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| slogan | k | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | They've created proto code | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | So, are folks OK covering this next week, or shoudl we arrange another time-slot | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | it might take a while to get through the entire topic | 15:22 |
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| witek | some document would be nice | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | ok, it is on the way | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | hopefully, others will want to work on this too | 15:23 |
| tomasztrebski | ]:-> | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | what does that mean? | 15:23 |
| tomasztrebski | nothing bad, I would want to see how this one work and fits in everything else :D | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | yes, that is the plan | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | #topic monasca-analytics | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | So, I'll also be submitting a request for a new repo for the alarm clustering and anomaly detection work that we've been starting to discuss again | 15:25 |
| hosanai | nice :-) | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | As soon as I get monasca-transform done, i'll submite monasca-analytics | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | which shoudl go smooth | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | hosanai, sorry about the delay | 15:26 |
| hosanai | rhochmuth: np! | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | but, i'm getting to it | 15:26 |
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| rhochmuth | at some point, we can also do a similar review, but much less is known about this area right now | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | materials are being created, but it is much more complicated | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | curretly, hosanai, a small team in hpe, and me are interested in this area | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | so, look for that | 15:28 |
| slogan | what is alarm clustering? | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | i just didnt' want to surprise anyone | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | hosanai, do you want to explain? | 15:28 |
| slogan | I we talking k-means type of thing? | 15:28 |
| tomasztrebski | maybe once you have all these materials available (use cases, documentation of some sort), you could post a mail via mailing list to notify everyone, just when it is ready | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | sure tomasz, will do | 15:29 |
| tomasztrebski | thx | 15:29 |
| slogan | that would be good | 15:29 |
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| slogan | I'm so focused on the lowest level, I need to surface and see the bigger picture | 15:29 |
| hosanai | ok, my typing speed is not enough | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | hosanai, can you explain alarm clustering, or do you want me to describe? | 15:29 |
| hosanai | rhochmuth: could you explain it? | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | sure | 15:30 |
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| rhochmuth | currently, many alarms can occur simultaneousely | 15:30 |
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| rhochmuth | For example, if a system goes down | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | all the alarms on that system, will fire | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | The idea is to cluster alarms temporally and based on other features of the metrics/alarms | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | to reduce the number of alarms and reduce alarm fatigue | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | So, instead of 100s of alarms, you would get a few. | 15:32 |
| slogan | I see, so, selected attributes and ranges define membership in a cluster | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | Correct | 15:32 |
| slogan | you get told about the cluster, and can peel the onion for details later | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | K-means woudl be one way to do the clustering | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | but, i don't think that is what is planned right now | 15:33 |
| slogan | SOM :-) | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | THere are two companies that do this that i'm aware of | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | moogsoftware | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | Big Pandas | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Summit scheduling | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | Currently, we have five sesions at the design summit for Monasca related discussions | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | All are Wednesday from 9:00 - around 1:00 | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | There is a stop for lunch | 15:35 |
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| slogan | 40 minute or so sessions I guess | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | Correct | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | The first session will be general overview, planning and roadmap | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | The second session will be more deetailed discussions on specific features, siuch as multiplke metrics, non-periodic metrics, periodic notifications, retention periods, … | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | Third session will be logging API/service | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | Fourth session will be Networking/Neutron/Broadview | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | Fifth session is still available | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | Sorry, should have said that is my proposal, at this point | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | Nothing has been defined and set in stone | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | So, I'm wondering if that sounds reasonable | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | I know a lot of folks won't be there | 15:38 |
| witek | sounds good for me | 15:38 |
| slogan | sounds reasonable, I'm more likely to get travel permission if it becomes set in stone. | 15:38 |
| slogan | *sigh* | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | I'll check with Armando on the Networking/Neutron discussion | 15:38 |
| slogan | (that sigh is with my side, not you) | 15:38 |
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| rhochmuth | But, i think it is all set | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | i'll confirm | 15:39 |
| slogan | I'll go ahead and tell my manager I have to be there, you can back me up if needed | 15:39 |
| slogan | we need this discussion to happen | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | i think you should attend all the Neutron sessions, which there are a lot of, and thety don't overlap with Monasca | 15:40 |
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| slogan | nod | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | Interfacing with that team would be great | 15:40 |
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| slogan | totally agree | 15:41 |
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| rhochmuth | so, unless i hear otherwise, that is the working plan at the moment | 15:42 |
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| rhochmuth | hosanai, i was wondering about using the fifth slot for anomaly/analytics related discussions | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | i'm just not sure who else is interested in that topic | 15:42 |
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| rhochmuth | i am up for discussions while you are there | 15:43 |
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| hosanai | rhochmuth: that is the point. i'm availeble in there | 15:43 |
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| hosanai | if we have 5th slot and get more attention for it. we can have the slot. maybe... | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | i agree, | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | but usually, you need the interest first, before scheduling the session | 15:45 |
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| rhochmuth | i could leave the session open, with analytics as one of the topics to discuss in more detail | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | dependent on interest | 15:46 |
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| hosanai | sounds nice! | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | so, that sounds like a reasonable plan | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll leave it an open session with some suggested potential topics dependent on interest | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | and we can refine while we are there | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | sound good? | 15:47 |
| hosanai | +1 | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | So, we've got around 10 minutes left | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | i'll just open it up for discussion | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | #topic general discussion | 15:48 |
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| tomasztrebski | I wanted to clarify this change => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301443/ | 15:49 |
| witek | it would be great if Craig could have a look at our monasca-thresh chage | 15:49 |
| tomasztrebski | and that too | 15:49 |
| tomasztrebski | ;D | 15:49 |
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| rhochmuth | craig has been extremely busy on a release, so his reviews have been a bit delayed | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | as have mine | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'm hoping he'll start to free up here today/tomorrow | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll ping him too | 15:50 |
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| witek | thank you | 15:50 |
| tomasztrebski | +1 | 15:51 |
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| rhochmuth | so, are there other topics | 15:52 |
| tomasztrebski | I've posted a link above to switch to different partitioner in Kafka | 15:52 |
| tomasztrebski | since current one is deprecated due to certain bug (#374) in python-kafka | 15:52 |
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| rhochmuth | that looks interesting | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | joe, will want to take a look at that | 15:53 |
| slogan | rhochmuth: I ust got my travel approved, definitely there | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks slogan | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | maybe it was my comments in this irc session? | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 15:54 |
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| slogan | I pasted them in the e-mail, yes | 15:54 |
| slogan | :-) | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | Also, I wanted to point out this review again, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289675/ | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | Ryan Brandt has been working on that one, and I beleive he thinks it is ready to go | 15:55 |
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| rhochmuth | Support for both InfluxDB and Vertica are complete | 15:55 |
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| rhochmuth | Although, the review is in merge conflict right now | 15:55 |
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| rhochmuth | On another note, just want to mention that we are not proceeding with Cassandra support at this point | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | We will take a wait and see approach, and revisit based on customer interest | 15:57 |
| witek | why? | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | it is a lot of work | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | influxdb satisfies the open-source requirement | 15:58 |
| witek | thanks for info | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | if anyone else wnat to work on, we would be completely opne to the submission | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | so, we're not going to prevent development in this area | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | we're just not going to be able to staff it right now | 15:59 |
| shinya_kwbt | I want to try | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | shinya: you want to try cassandr? | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i need to end the meeting? | 16:00 |
| shinya_kwbt | Yes But I don't know cassandra so I must study hard | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | ok, sounds good | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | there were some reviews that were in progress | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | got to go now | 16:00 |
| Kamil_ | bye | 16:00 |
| hosanai | thanks& bye | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting monasca | 16:00 |
| shinya_kwbt | bye | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 16:00:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-04-06-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-04-06-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-04-06-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 16:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:01 |
| eglute | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #chair hogepodge | 16:01 |
| gema_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| catherineD | o/ | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | #chair eglute | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:01 |
| dwalleck | o/ (in another meeting, but here!) | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.18 Today's Agenda | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | Please take a quick look through the agenda and make sure we're not missing anything folks | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic Straw Man Proposal for DefCore Owning DefCore Tests in Tempest | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301879/ Strawman proposal | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge posted this yesterday so I'll let him speak to it. =) | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | As a general note, you are all (as usual) encouraged to please provide your input in Gerrit. | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | The blueprint has a couple of intents. The first is to solidify the relationship with the QA team by marking defcore tests, approved by the board, as important. | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: around? | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | doh | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | yes you are =) | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | We've had friction in the past about test names changing, functionality changing, and playing a bit of catch up and writing tooling to work around the changes. | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | I'm not sure it's a part of the proposal that would pass, especially using a defcore named tags. This is in part because tempest doesn't necessarily want outside influence on the project like this, but they're not 100% opposed to it either. Particularly with regards to tags that indicate a property | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | do defcore-required may be bad? interop may be good? | 16:06 |
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| hogepodge | It's starting a dialogue there, which I feel is important. | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | ++ | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | Secondly it's encoding some of the requirements we talked about at the previous meeting for a spec that defines "interop" test | 16:07 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge:: ++, dialog is good | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | I tried to write down the minimal things we could reach consensus on, but is a work in progress. I would expect that an official spec would be part of the defcore repository. | 16:08 |
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| eglute | hogepodge i do not recall us having consensus on tagging | 16:08 |
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| hogepodge | Again, it's trying to encode a relationship, saying that we take responsibility for maintaining, along with qa, what an interop test looks like. | 16:09 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: Does it really encode though? It's a decorator, but it doesn't enforce anything directly | 16:09 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: it puts meaning in code, backed by a spec. | 16:09 |
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| dwalleck | But it does start a dialog. It does add a burden to Tempest reviewers to understand all the things that interop means (single user, etch) | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | finally, there is talk of forking tempest. I am strongly opposed to that, and personally feel it is harmful to both our aims as a standard body and to the community at large | 16:10 |
| eglute | we do not have the specs yet. this is jumping ahead and making assumptions what the spec would look like | 16:10 |
| * docaedo arrives a little late to lurk :) | 16:10 | |
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| hogepodge | eglute: we do have an informal spec. For example, tests are not admin. That is a requirement. They must be api, that is also a requirement. | 16:11 |
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| dwalleck | hogepodge: But that's a spec for what attributes a Tempest test should have to be an interop test, which is different from defining an actual spec for capabilities | 16:12 |
| eglute | hogepodge we agreed to work on formal specs first before proceeding further. otherwise we will run into issues again where the test dictates what the spec should be, and not the other way around | 16:12 |
| dwalleck | The second being the one I thought we had been talking about at the midcycle, but if I'm mistaken, that's okay :-) | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | the one we talked about at the midcycle? | 16:13 |
| eglute | i agree with dwalleck here, we need to start with defcore specs, not tempest specs | 16:14 |
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| gema | not sure how much time I can commit to this, but I can have a go at trying to start a spec | 16:15 |
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| gema | I see the tagging as useful regardless, though | 16:16 |
| gema | like an orthogonal thing | 16:16 |
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| eglute | gema that would be good. perhaps you could work with dwalleck since he already started on some analysis | 16:16 |
| hogepodge | gema: that would be great | 16:16 |
| gema | eglute: yep, that was going to be my first task, catch up with dwalleck :D | 16:16 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:16 |
| eglute | #action gema and dwalleck to start working on a defcore spec | 16:17 |
| gema | dwalleck: o/ | 16:17 |
| dwalleck | gema: Absolutely, I'd be glad to contribute | 16:17 |
| dwalleck | ! | 16:17 |
| gema | ok, we'll start this week and see how it goes :D | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | eglute: I would very much like to be involved with what a spec looks like too. As the person who has worked most closely with qa, I'd like us to maintain a good relationship on that. | 16:17 |
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| eglute | hogepodge i dont think anyone will be excluded! | 16:17 |
| gema | hogepodge: how about I start a conversation on our mailing tomorrow | 16:17 |
| gema | and we make it collaborative | 16:17 |
| gema | then I put the result together on some sort of commit | 16:18 |
| dwalleck | But which spec are we talking about? The spec for what defines a capability, or the specs of what makes a good interop test? | 16:18 |
| gema | I thought the spec for defcore | 16:18 |
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| markvoelker | dwalleck: We have Board-approved definitions of Capabilities | 16:18 |
| gema | test spec, that is | 16:18 |
| VanL | dwalleck: Spec for what makes a good interop test | 16:18 |
| Rockyg | VanL, right | 16:19 |
| VanL | We have a couple principles that everyone agreed on, IIRC: | 16:19 |
| dwalleck | Gotcha, wanted to make sure we were using the same terminology | 16:19 |
| VanL | 1. No admin | 16:19 |
| VanL | 2. (From Chris:) Two paid accounts not needed. | 16:19 |
| VanL | 3. Atomic | 16:19 |
| VanL | I think those were the only ones that we got to before we moved on | 16:20 |
| VanL | I would also suggest: | 16:20 |
| Rockyg | 4. available for at least 3 releases | 16:20 |
| VanL | 4. The test matches the public documentation | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | VanL: I object to you using language like "that everyone agreed on". It over simplifies and may not accurately represent my views. | 16:20 |
| gema | hogepodge: I am going to go back to the midcycle notes tomorrow and summarize our discussion on this | 16:21 |
| gema | then frame the conversation | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | VanL for example, 3. Atomic, may differ from dwalleck's | 16:21 |
| VanL | Rockyg: Yes, but that is a capabilities requirement, not a interop spec. | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | One suggestion: let's be careful to not overlap with the Board-approved Criteria we already have. | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/doc/source/process/CoreCriteria.rst Criteria | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | or 2, when I say two tenant isolated accounts I mean two tenant isolated accounts, not paid accounts. | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | We don't want to essentially have two sources of truth about those. | 16:21 |
| eglute | +1 markvoelker | 16:22 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: ++ ... Atomic is the reason causing the issues we have with today's test set | 16:22 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: that's a fair example. Then we need to drill down into those bits and talk them through and come to a community understanding | 16:22 |
| VanL | hogepodge: Please don't personalize this. I am trying to honestly represent and summarize what I understood, and if the summary isn't accurate, then by all means chime in | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: yes. I agree | 16:22 |
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| gema | VanL: no worries, fortunately for everyone my memory is bad, so I will go back and read the notes | 16:23 |
| gema | x) | 16:23 |
| VanL | I was mostly trying to quote from /summarize the notes | 16:23 |
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| dwalleck | My opinions are my own, but as someone who works in the community and has invested time, I have to share my thoughts, which doesn't mean anyone has to agree | 16:24 |
| gema | dwalleck: ++ | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | gema: hogepodge: dwalleck: do you guys have what you need to proceed on drafting something up? | 16:24 |
| dwalleck | I spent a great deal of time working on Tempest and then later on CloudCafe, so I have some strong opinions about tests :) | 16:24 |
| gema | markvoelker: I think so | 16:24 |
| dwalleck | Yes | 16:24 |
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| gema | dwalleck: me too | 16:25 |
| gema | we'll have fun :D | 16:25 |
| VanL | FYI: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpring2016MidCycle | 16:25 |
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| dwalleck | Gemma: yup! | 16:25 |
| VanL | Also: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpecProposals | 16:25 |
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| markvoelker | Great. I'll look forward to reviewing it then. =) We're 25 minutes in and have several other agenda items--ready to move on? | 16:25 |
| eglute | markvoelker +1 | 16:26 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:26 |
| dwalleck | Yup | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | #topic Capabilities with no tests (or only admin tests) | 16:26 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299491/ | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300608/ | 16:26 |
| gema | I'd like to start capturing all of those and make a list | 16:27 |
| gema | of tests to be created | 16:27 |
| gema | I have a couple on keystone as well | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | We've identified some advisory tests which turn out to require admin creds. We can't use those in Guidelines, so they'll have to go. | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | The biggest question is what to do about it, because the underlying features genereally don't require admin | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | So, two things: | 16:28 |
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| markvoelker | 1.) I'm going to spend some time looking for other tests of the same capabilities that don't require admin | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | 2.) I think we should have a chat with the project teams/PTL's/QA teams about potentially changing those tests to not need admin | 16:28 |
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| markvoelker | Those are sort of the natural outcomes...the bigger question is what to with the tests in the meantime since it's uncertain how quickly we could get the tests modified (if that's even realistic...there may be good reasons for using admin) | 16:29 |
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| catherineD | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300608/ is an easy one to review and merge... because the capability affected still have some tests in it after the admin tests are flagged or removed.. | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | Obviously we've got a few months before the Guideline comes up for approval here, so there's potential for us to get things done before then. | 16:30 |
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| markvoelker | Failing that, we could consider leaving the relevant Capabilities in advisory state for another cycle so we don't have to restart the clock by dropping them and then having them go through another advisory cycle | 16:31 |
| eglute | thank you catherineD for calling those tests out. i agree with markvoelker that we need better tests, but also agree that no idea how long this will take | 16:31 |
| VanL | How much real-world vetting have the advisory capabilities had? Finding admin-requiring tests makes me nervous that they have not been properly vetted by enough people out in the community | 16:31 |
| eglute | i think leaving them advisory would be ok, provided we start working on getting better tests somehow | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | eglute: from a cursory look at a few of them, I think it may be realistic to improve some of these before the Guideline goes up the board, for what it's worth. | 16:32 |
| catherineD | VanL: I have verified all the tests in the advisory section | 16:32 |
| catherineD | and thus found the one with admin requires | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | VanL: the scoring for them is in the scoring sheet. They all stacked up to criteria like widely deployed. | 16:32 |
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| eglute | markvoelker i would be really hesitant to make them required if we are going to change the tests | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: qa has a history of helping sort the issues out, maybe not in time for a guideline though. They could stay advisory | 16:33 |
| catherineD | Thera are also some test records in RefStack that tests the entire API Tempest test that we can use to verify | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | eglute: why so? | 16:33 |
| VanL | markvoelker: Sure, but we run into the problem of the *capability* being widely deployed, but the tests to show a capability not being representative or otherwise having problems. | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: otherwise they would be immediately flagged, with the action to be to fix or remove. That seems an odd way to start, but it's definitely a workable solution | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | oh, you mean make the required and then change the tests? Yeah, definitely. | 16:33 |
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| markvoelker | I'm saying we change the tests before we make them required. | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | Remember that the next Guideline won't get approved for several months yet. So there's a pretty good window of time here. | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: yes, I think that's better (or write new tests if admin is required) | 16:34 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: we do have a patch today to move advisory to required | 16:34 |
| dwalleck | But if a test defines the capability, how can we add a test that we plan on immediately refactoring? | 16:34 |
| eglute | markvoelker people that are/could be testing agains this as advisory might be blindsided by new tests. in theory, new tests should test the same stuff, but in reality they might not be exactly the same | 16:34 |
| catherineD | at the mimimum we should flagged those admin tests .... if not removed | 16:35 |
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| dwalleck | It gives you a placeholder for intent, but I'm not sure what other value it provides | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | eglute: I see the concern. I think in most cases though, all we'd need to do is modify the existing tests to use ordinary credentials rather than admin ones. E.g. we're not fundamentally changing what's being tested. | 16:35 |
| eglute | i think keeping them as advisory is a good compromise | 16:35 |
| dwalleck | ahh, admin part. Missed that, never mind :) | 16:36 |
| catherineD | eglute: keeping the capability but flagged or removed the admin tests ? | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: keep in mind that even if the patch moving them to required lands, that doesn't actually mean anything until the Board votes on the Guideline in August | 16:36 |
| eglute | keeping the capability as advisory rahter than making it required | 16:36 |
| eglute | catherineD ^^ | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: until then it's just a draft. But I'd be fine with dropping those tests from moving right now just for clarity. | 16:36 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: agreed but if may make the required in next.json and the advisory in 2016.01 mis-match | 16:37 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: agree for dropping ... I think it is cleaner | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: eglute: catherineD: it's pretty easy to tell if you're changing essential functionality. I saw this in the multi-tenant tests. It was clear multi-tenancy was not required on all but two tests. | 16:37 |
| catherineD | and send a good message the defcore does not require admin | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | Ok, so I think what I'm hearing here is: | 16:38 |
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| markvoelker | #action markvoelker submit new patchset for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294287/ to leave the admin-requiring tests as advisory | 16:39 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:39 |
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| markvoelker | #action markvoelker (and anyone else interested) look for alternative tests for the same capabilities | 16:39 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:39 |
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| markvoelker | #action markvoelker (and anyone else interested) investigate the feasibility of modifying the tests to not need admin | 16:39 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: do we leave the admin tests or remove the test but leave the capability? | 16:40 |
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| catherineD | we really should not have any admin tests now that we identify them | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: I'm planning to leave them for the moment since it seems likely we're going to try to get some of them changed to not need admin. If that doesn't happen, we have several more months to drop them | 16:40 |
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| eglute | that sounds like a good plan to me | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | But if folks feel strongly one way or the other, I'm not opposed to dropping and re-adding them. Just seems to make a bit more work for later. | 16:41 |
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| eglute | i am ok with dropping as well. the only thing i would be opposed to is making these tests required for 2016.08 | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | Ok, so I'll go that route and if anyone has strong opinions about dropping them now or not then voice them in gerrit and we'll iterate there. =) | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | Move on? | 16:42 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker! | 16:42 |
| eglute | yes | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | #topic RefStack update to use Tempest tag 10.0.0 as default | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: the floor is yours | 16:43 |
| catherineD | thx | 16:43 |
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| catherineD | so we will update RefStack to tempest tag 10.0.0 which is the tag for Mitaka | 16:43 |
| catherineD | currently RefStack still running with a Sept 11, 2015 tempest vestionb | 16:44 |
| catherineD | it is kind of old ... | 16:44 |
| eglute | catherineD do you foresee any issues with the new tag? | 16:44 |
| catherineD | eglute: so we have taken care of the test names change by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297993/ ... | 16:45 |
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| eglute | ok | 16:46 |
| catherineD | there are also some change in tempest conf that the user have to pay attention to | 16:46 |
| catherineD | I know that a lot of the user is using master copy of tempest .... those users will not be affected | 16:46 |
| hogepodge | tempest is moving to a model where credentials and resources are defined outside of tempest.conf. It's a good change, but one that may have short term impact | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | cathrineD: this looks like a pretty routine update to me. So, seems fine. I'll see if I can run that version through my lab, but I don't foresee any real issues. | 16:47 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: Yep, saw that too. Perhaps something to note in our instructions. | 16:47 |
| catherineD | question is for DefCore to identify new tests to add ... should defcore also use the latest test list? | 16:47 |
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| hogepodge | catherineD: do you mean on aliasing? | 16:48 |
| catherineD | alias is for the existing defcore test ... but if defcore going to add new tests ... defcore should use update to date test list | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: hogepodge: that's covered here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294287/ | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | oops | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | I mean http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/doc/source/schema/1.4.rst#n85 | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | So basically for a new Guideline (next.json) we use the current name of the test as it appears in Tempest. | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | If there's an older name that's been changed, we move that to the alias field in next.json | 16:50 |
| catherineD | for the new tests .. if defcore use new test lists for its tests we will avode alias | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | I think the same principle applies to new tests we're adding too | 16:50 |
| catherineD | avode --> avoid | 16:51 |
| catherineD | new tests here means the test name that has never appeared in defcore json | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: Well, usually, probably so. But possibly not always. Because if someone's using an older version of Tempest it might have an older test name. | 16:51 |
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| markvoelker | So conceivably we may need to add an alias even though we haven't required that test in the past. | 16:52 |
| markvoelker | I suspect that'll be a pretty rare case in practice though | 16:52 |
| catherineD | if someone is testing a new OpenStack release they should not use old json | 16:52 |
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| markvoelker | Well, we don't bound what version of tempest is used. So it's not so much using old json as it is using an older Tempest (which might be necessary due to bugs, etc). | 16:53 |
| catherineD | for example for Mitaka the require tests would jump from 100+ to 200+ because of the advisory tests | 16:53 |
| eglute | because defcore covers several releases, they might be using older json | 16:53 |
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| catherineD | if certify for Mitaka they must use 2016.08 | 16:53 |
| catherineD | agree .. for older release the tests will be covered by aliases | 16:54 |
| catherineD | but the newly defcore added tests does not need to be burdened with aliases | 16:54 |
| eglute | true | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | cathrineD: correct, they need to use 2016.08. That Guideline might have a test called "ABC", which is what Tempest calls it today. But Tempest might have changed it to "ABC" from "ZYX" the week before we added it to the Guideline. | 16:55 |
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| markvoelker | So if someone is using an older version of Tempest, they'll see "ABC" skipped because it's not found. They might therefore reasonably request an alias be added. | 16:55 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: in that case it will cover by aliases becayse the test already exists in defcore | 16:55 |
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| catherineD | think about the tests that are not in any defcore json today | 16:56 |
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| catherineD | those are the tests that we should use from new test list | 16:56 |
| catherineD | anyway back to refstack update default tempest | 16:57 |
| catherineD | I guess it is a go ? | 16:57 |
| hogepodge | three minutes | 16:57 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: go from me | 16:57 |
| eglute | yes, catherineD lets go ahead with new version | 16:57 |
| hogepodge | want to make sure people look at gema's identity capabilities patch | 16:57 |
| gema | yes please | 16:57 |
| gema | no need to take time here, though :D | 16:57 |
| eglute | #topic keystone scoring | 16:57 |
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| eglute | everyone, please review gema's patch | 16:58 |
| catherineD | thank you ... yea after all that tempest ins 6 month old ...as old as the openstack release :-) | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297847/ Keystone scoring patch (new rev) | 16:58 |
| eglute | thank you catherineD! | 16:58 |
| eglute | and thank you gema, I will review the patch today | 16:58 |
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| gema | eglute: thanks! | 16:58 |
| eglute | if any questions, lets take them to the defcore channel | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | With that we're about out of time. We skipped the advisory->required topic, but we actually already discussed it a bit earlier and I have an AI to submit a new patchset on it | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | Thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| eglute | thanks! | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 16:59:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-04-06-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-04-06-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-04-06-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 20:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 20:00 |
| bpokorny | o/ | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | \o | 20:00 |
| doug-fish | \o | 20:00 |
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| neelashah | o/ | 20:01 |
| hurgleburgler | (◠‿◠✿)ノ | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Lets get started | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | #topic Notices | 20:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:01 | |
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| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
| ducttape_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Only one thing to mention briefly | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-newton-summit | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | Make sure any last minute items are listed. I've reorganised it, and drafted the sessions to match | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | But if there is any last minute content or sugestions, add it and I'll see about adding to the schedule. | 20:03 |
| bpokorny | Are the things under line 97 all topics for the contributors meetup? | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | Yep | 20:04 |
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| bpokorny | Thanks, sounds good. | 20:04 |
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| robcresswell | I've moved items around to match common topics, and the others are more like individual issues that we can discuss at the meetup. | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Agenda for today is empty. Does anyone have any blueprints they would like looked at? Otherwise I'll pick at random for review. | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | I have one, I think | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | Go ahead | 20:06 |
| * TravT looking at summit again | 20:06 | |
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| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/remove-httplib2-dep | 20:06 |
| * david-lyle had to find | 20:06 | |
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| david-lyle | this is somewhat time sensitive, in that the longer it's not merged, the more people write tests that are potentially broken | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | it started simple and onioned on me | 20:07 |
| doug-fish | sounds like it's a critical piece of work though | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Ah yeah, we discussed this yesterday. It fixes a *really* annoying bug too (https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1517704) | 20:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1517704 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Test still passes even with tests failure" [High,In progress] - Assigned to David Lyle (david-lyle) | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | yeah, that was the onion part | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Ah, sorry about that | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Thinking approve and mark high. Any objections? | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | well | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:10 |
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| doug-fish | makes sense to me. Let's put david-lyle on the spot! | 20:10 |
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| robcresswell | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/remove-httplib2-dep Approved, High priority | 20:11 |
| hurgleburgler | +1 | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | thanks | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Oops, forgot to change topic | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | #topic Blueprint review | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint review (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:12 | |
| robcresswell | Any others? | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | I'll pick some out. | 20:13 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/flavorconfigurator | 20:13 |
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| TravT | -1 for not giving direct link to nova bp | 20:14 |
| bpokorny | Are blueprints still supposed to use the blueprint template that we used to use? | 20:14 |
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| robcresswell | bpokorny: Yes | 20:14 |
| TravT | -1 for that too | 20:14 |
| bpokorny | Agree with TravT that this one is light on details. | 20:14 |
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| ducttape_ | so how would the flavor info get back and forth with the nova hosts??? that bp causes me more questions | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | its been up for 2 months or so, likely wont go anywhere :/ | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Still, too early to remove outright. | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Lets move on. I left a comment asking for more detail. | 20:15 |
| doug-fish | I have a favorite | 20:16 |
| doug-fish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/next-steps | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | I like the idea. | 20:16 |
| ducttape_ | do we want to make that a horizon construct ? | 20:17 |
| doug-fish | It's driven by what we want to do with the lbaas wizard | 20:17 |
| doug-fish | I think so | 20:17 |
| doug-fish | I do | 20:17 |
| ducttape_ | like a wf is free to have anything for a landing page on success | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | Kinda like the Sahara guide | 20:17 |
| ducttape_ | and that page could have next steps etc , common actions / status polling | 20:17 |
| doug-fish | I don't think any workflows have landing pages do they? | 20:17 |
| doug-fish | does Sahara? | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | doug-fish: Sahara has a step by step IIRC | 20:18 |
| ducttape_ | they typically do not take advantage of that, but it's there to be used | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | It did before we removed it | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | It was veeeery laggy | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | But it was a cool idea. We've talked before about directing Create Net to details for further config | 20:19 |
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| doug-fish | yes, I'd hope this functionality would work for that scenario as well | 20:19 |
| TravT | doug-fish: are these really separate actions or just actions that also include help text and can be displayed differenly? | 20:19 |
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| doug-fish | it's the 2nd | 20:19 |
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| ducttape_ | I'd like to see two workflows use that concept, then drive some sort of "let's refactor anything common" from there ? | 20:20 |
| TravT | okay, from a angular registry perspective, i'd see this as being extra information being registered with the action. | 20:20 |
| doug-fish | agreed | 20:20 |
| doug-fish | robcresswell: would/could create net use this right away? | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | We're a long way off rewriting all the networking panels in angular | 20:22 |
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| doug-fish | it's reasonably straightforward to put into Horizon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301770/ | 20:23 |
| doug-fish | it *could* be done in the plugin, but would actually be more code. And less available for others to exploit. | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | Oh I agree on it being in the horizon lib | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | Sorry I think I misconstrued the question. | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | I'm for approving; the concept is good and we can refine the implementation in code review. | 20:24 |
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| doug-fish | I'm a fan, but not entirely unbiased. :-) | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | It'd be useful for complex nested resources (mainly neutron work is jumping to mind) | 20:25 |
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| TravT | i think the idea is good. definitely need to talk a bit about impl details. | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | I think that it's on the details page, it's useful. My concern was burying the lead | 20:25 |
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| david-lyle | but the tables have that handled | 20:25 |
| TravT | doug-fish: part of my point being that these aren't really different actions. | 20:26 |
| TravT | that extra help text could be used in row / batch actions | 20:26 |
| TravT | as pop up or something as well | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | so, this is a JS only thing? | 20:26 |
| TravT | hover over | 20:26 |
| doug-fish | oh I see | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: Seems like its being targeted at angular | 20:26 |
| TravT | so this is impl detail | 20:26 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: yes, I think so | 20:26 |
| doug-fish | it's new function you can get only with the new code | 20:26 |
| TravT | but is in the BP as well. | 20:26 |
| TravT | the bp specifically says angular | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | no much for consistency, but have to make change somewhere | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | *not | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | I dont think it would be huge issue; this is unlikely to be on every single detail page | 20:27 |
| TravT | doug-fish: this all just interesting extra metadata about an action | 20:27 |
| TravT | and the actions directive already has templates where you choose how to render it in the input args | 20:27 |
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| doug-fish | well to developers that's what it is; I hope to users it's clarity on what should happen after creating a new object | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | so some details pages will have actions on the top right, and some in the page? | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | But I think it fits nicely with making creation more wf-oriented | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | it was more about locating | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | I wouldn't say no, just voicing observations | 20:28 |
| doug-fish | I think all details pages will have actions on the top right. Some details pages will also have some inline actions with extra text as well | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | I think its more about guiding people on more complex setup | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: ok, that's not in the mock | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | hence my confusion | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | oh wiat | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | I'm dumb | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | nevermind | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | time for a success? | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | I have no time for success | 20:30 |
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| robcresswell | haha | 20:30 |
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| david-lyle | looks good | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | +! | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | Marking low, since its mainly aesthetic | 20:31 |
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| TravT | i'll leave a comment reflecting my input above | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/next-steps Approved, marked Low | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | thanks TravT | 20:32 |
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| doug-fish | yeah, sounds good, thx for the input! | 20:32 |
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| david-lyle | btw, there is no ConfForFlavor bp in nova | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-multiple-objects-uploading | 20:33 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: Can you leave a comment on that bp; when we circle back round later, we can just obsolete right away unless its updated. | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: sure | 20:34 |
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| robcresswell | thanks | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | it's either dead all around or far in the future | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, but I'd like to at least give the author a fair chance to respond | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | So this object store bp, its unclear if its Python or Angular based | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | I would assume Angular, but it was put up early March and could be either... | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | the need is there either way | 20:36 |
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| robcresswell | True. I don't know how this ties in to r1chardj0n3s work | 20:37 |
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| david-lyle | I don't think r1chardj0n3s has a bp | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | I can't see any conflicting blueprints. I think approve, but ask for clarification on code and ask author to work with richard. | 20:39 |
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| david-lyle | makes sense to me | 20:39 |
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| TravT | robcresswell: i think you need to state it is angular though | 20:39 |
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| TravT | we deprecated django version | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | TravT: Yup, thats what I meant by clarification on code | 20:40 |
| TravT | okay | 20:40 |
| TravT | cool | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | vive le django! | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | remember the django? | 20:40 |
| TravT | we should buy david-lyle a shirt with that | 20:40 |
| TravT | :) | 20:40 |
| hurgleburgler | +1 TravT | 20:40 |
| TravT | btw, props on the local-settings.d last release | 20:40 |
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| hurgleburgler | I'll take one of those shirts too though | 20:41 |
| * david-lyle unsure of the gender of django | 20:41 | |
| doug-fish | masculine | 20:41 |
| doug-fish | feminine is djanga | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | but django is like a ship | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-multiple-objects-uploading Approved | 20:42 |
| * david-lyle will investigate | 20:42 | |
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| robcresswell | An old, old wooden ship | 20:42 |
| * robcresswell hoping everyone has seen Anchorman | 20:42 | |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/angularize-vpn-table | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | oh oh | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | kick it out | 20:43 |
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| david-lyle | vpn -> plugin | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | It looks like they intend to put the 4 tab tables in one page... | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | :/ | 20:45 |
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| robcresswell | Either way, VPNaaS is a neutron plugin so should follow the path of LBaaS | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | vpn is no longer part of neutron proper | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | right | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | same with fwaas | 20:47 |
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| TravT | sounds fine to me | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | I would be reluctant to put much more work on those into the horizon tree | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | other than bug fixes | 20:47 |
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| * david-lyle going mobile | 20:48 | |
| TravT | robcresswell: why is "plugin" and "operator" feedback one topic? | 20:49 |
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| robcresswell | TravT: Operator rarely uses an entire session, so it seemed sensible to use the fishbowl for something that was most likely to get a larger group of people from outside Horizon | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/angularize-vpn-table Marked Obsolete; left comment about creating a Horizon plugin. | 20:50 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/css-conventions | 20:51 |
| robcresswell | I think this has been superseded by hurgleburgler | 20:52 |
| hurgleburgler | uh oh | 20:52 |
| hurgleburgler | yeah | 20:52 |
| TravT | From the BP: "This blueprint is mainly about including some kind of documentation for contributors and reviewers to refer to." | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, which exists now I believe | 20:53 |
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| TravT | i'd say this is superceded / done with no clear additional done criteria giving it reason to stay open | 20:54 |
| hurgleburgler | yeah, we've been attempting to document as we go | 20:54 |
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| robcresswell | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/topics/customizing.html and http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/topics/styling.html | 20:54 |
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| hurgleburgler | many of our naming conventions are defined by our use of Bootstrap as a css framework | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/css-conventions marked Superseded | 20:55 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/enhance-tox | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | Wait, thats been approved, ignore it | 20:56 |
| * TravT ignored. check. | 20:57 | |
| robcresswell | ha | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/operation-history-log | 20:57 |
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| TravT | how would this work with multiple horizon processes deployed? | 20:59 |
| TravT | just rely on session affinity of load balancer? | 20:59 |
| TravT | shared FS? | 20:59 |
| doug-fish | I'd think a separate service would be needed to store the history | 20:59 |
| doug-fish | that kind of state seems well outside what Horiozn itself should be doing | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | Yeah. I dont think Horizon should be handling this logic. It sounds like something we would display, but would be handled elsewhere | 21:00 |
| TravT | okay, thanks for the meeting today. catch you on the flip side | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, thats time. | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all | 21:00 |
| bpokorny | Thanks! | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 21:01:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-04-06-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-04-06-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-04-06-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 21:01:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:01 |
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| bauzas | #endmeeting ? | 21:01 |
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| * bauzas tries to help dansmith | 21:01 | |
| dansmith | hah\ | 21:01 |
| alaski | hah | 21:01 |
| alaski | we'll keep this short | 21:02 |
| alaski | but not that short | 21:02 |
| melwitt | o/ hi | 21:02 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:02 |
| doffm | o\ | 21:02 |
| alaski | #topic testing | 21:02 |
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| alaski | nothing seems to have broken recently | 21:02 |
| alaski | but ccarmack has changed some of the v1 regexes to ids, which should help prevent breaks | 21:03 |
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| ccarmack | yes, thats been merged | 21:03 |
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| melwitt | cool | 21:03 |
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| alaski | on the v2 side the consensus has been that we need a simple command for devstack to use to setup cells. once that's in place we should look at getting grenade going | 21:03 |
| bauzas | ++ | 21:03 |
| alaski | I'm working on fixing up my PoC around that | 21:04 |
| melwitt | is this separate from "the one command to rule them all?" | 21:04 |
| bauzas | I wrote https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267153/ until that | 21:04 |
| alaski | melwitt: nope, that's the one | 21:04 |
| bauzas | (well, I actually updated it, rather) | 21:04 |
| alaski | bauzas: cool. are you going to update with the new command? | 21:05 |
| bauzas | alaski: remind me the change ? | 21:05 |
| bauzas | alaski: but I already CC'd | 21:05 |
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| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301273/ | 21:05 |
| bauzas | for sure, anyways | 21:05 |
| alaski | okay | 21:05 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 21:06 |
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| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:06 |
| alaski | that is all | 21:06 |
| dansmith | I have a bunch of reviews | 21:06 |
| dansmith | oh wait, no I don't! :D | 21:06 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:06 | |
| alaski | dansmith: hah, nice | 21:06 |
| doffm | Cell0 patches are waiting for agreement on the upgrade commands. But once that is sorted should be ready for review. | 21:06 |
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| alaski | I put a bunch in the etherpad, so there's plenty to go around | 21:07 |
| alaski | doffm: awesome. so far people seem good with the wrapper command, which means your stuff wouldn't need to change | 21:07 |
| doffm | Ok, once commited to the wrapper command i'll ask dansmith to remove his -1. :) | 21:08 |
| dansmith | doffm: I'll find something else, fear not :) | 21:08 |
| alaski | so for summit, the schedule isn't final but it looks like we'll have two slots | 21:08 |
| melwitt | so it'll be one wrapper command call per cell? | 21:09 |
| alaski | I think a quick progress report would be good. but if there are open questions you'd like to discuss start thinking about that | 21:09 |
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| doffm | melwitt: No, the wrapper is for the simple non-cells upgrade case. (I think) | 21:09 |
| alaski | melwitt: what doffm said | 21:09 |
| melwitt | ah, okay. thanks | 21:10 |
| dansmith | well, | 21:10 |
| dansmith | for the single cell case | 21:10 |
| dansmith | we're rapidly getting to the point where we can't say "non-cells case" | 21:10 |
| doffm | Well, 'rapidly' might be pushing it. But getting there. | 21:10 |
| alaski | I think this command is just about the tipping point | 21:11 |
| alaski | but it is a bit fuzzy because not everything is in place yet | 21:11 |
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| alaski | anything else to discuss today? | 21:12 |
| alaski | cool. thanks all! | 21:13 |
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| alaski | #endmeeting | 21:13 |
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| bauzas | ++ | 21:13 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 21:13:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-04-06-21.01.html | 21:13 |
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| bauzas | meh, http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-04-06-21.01.html says bauzas(8) but I tried to be low-profile, dammit | 21:14 |
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